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Too old for Wub Wubs and EDM?

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- Tue, 06 Aug 2019 22:14:48 EST 4Jfhz0/V No.455291
File: 1565144088049.png -(3418411B / 3.26MB, 1920x1080) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Too old for Wub Wubs and EDM?
I guess I'm getting old. I don't understand the new dubstep. If anyone can explain to me what I'm missing I would appreciate it. I know there has to be some aspect about it that's redeemable or it wouldn't be so popular. And even after it's explained to me I still don't get it, I'm ok with that. Music should change and evolve. As I'm getting older, if newer music doesn't confuse or scare me it's doing something wrong. But in anything I've listened to I've always been able to at least get WHY someone would like it even if I don't. This isn't the case with this newer evolution of edm though.

Artists like Midnight Tyranosaurus, Svdden Death, and even Excision's stuff from 2016 on sound like garbage to me. I can't get into riddim despite all my friends being giant fans. I still like hardstyle, drum n bass, jungle, and old regular type dubstep (surprise! stuff my friends don't like) which is seemingly getting harder to find.

I guess for me riddim is just boring and repetitive and doesnt seem to have any kind of melody (or rhythm? idk the difference), its just noises. I like being able to follow a beat, hear something with a little structure. Otherwise i would just buy a collection of explosion and lazer sound effects and play that. It's also why Tipper and White Bear can be hard for me to listen to, but I can still appreciate the complexity in their music.

And it isn't like I only listen to EDM. My music taste is pretty eclectic. I'll go through phases of classical, rock, pop, punk, and even country plus more. It's just about the only concerts I will go to and the music most people in my social circle will listen to happens to be EDM. But even now, I'm going to shows I don't want to see with friends, and going to shows I DO want to see by myself.

Hell idk maybe 28 is when you start turning into a crotchety "Back in my day music was better" man. I'll go drink some Metamucil and watch JAG.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 17:50:37 EST kBpb+k8N No.455293 Reply
>But in anything I've listened to I've always been able to at least get WHY someone would like it even if I don't. This isn't the case with this newer evolution of edm though.

That's 100% pure you-getting-old. If new music coming out is instantly understandable to you in all ways, then it's not really evolving.

> I like being able to follow a beat, hear something with a little structure. Otherwise i would just buy a collection of explosion and lazer sound effects and play that.
Personally I don't hold art of any kind, including music, to rigid rules and expectations such as that, and the truth is they do have structure. If it's a challenge to decipher that structure, I love that personally. If it's super forthcoming and easy to follow, it's boring really quickly. Although if it's EDM then it's still relatively simple and repetitive so I don't even know how you can't understand it.
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Phineas Clucklestock - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 23:30:43 EST aW17451U No.455296 Reply
>>455291
>the new dubstep

New dubstep seems to have a really intense, screechy sound to it. I think it is the current fashion in dubstep.

>I guess for me riddim is just boring and repetitive
>old regular type dubstep

It does have a repetitive quality to it, but so does most electronic music. I think if you're not feeling the "riddim" then it's simply that the hook of the track isn't really getting to you. Also a lot of the instruments and synths being used are similar if not the same, ie. the Serum synthesizer VST.

A lot of older dubstep was sample based and "the wubs" and bass sounds were layered with it/on top of it. It was also repetitive but having unique samples really added to a track's value.

Maybe you just aren't feeling it because it's such a familiar sound to you now - it's "played out" to you. I feel the same way. I make drum and bass, but I used to be into dubstep a lot.
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Sidney Turveywill - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 13:02:05 EST 9RtL9vxW No.455303 Reply
I didn't even realize dubstep as something that wasn't even a thing 5 years ago can have a "new style".
I never did like the rigid genre definitions and apart from that the best EDM breaks these definitions. I did listen to d&b, acid, tekno, psytrance, industrial, lofi & glitch at some point but never felt the need to say that any particular genre "is mine" except when I was too young to know anything else.
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DSfA !!4N+Uxa7h - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 06:34:32 EST 3uA6sgR0 No.455320 Reply
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>New dubstep seems to have a really intense, screechy sound to it. I think it is the current fashion in dubstep.

Man, anyone else remember /m/ in like 2009 when every thread on the front page was this, people debating brostep and stuff? Pic related haha

>dubstep as something that wasn't even a thing 5 years ago can have a "new style".
Dubstep isn't that new, people were making dub mixes of 2-step tracks since the late 90s, when garage was the hot thing
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I/O - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 11:52:59 EST e21jkTYE No.455322 Reply
>>455320
Hehe yeah. That reminds me actually I was looking at /m/ on wayback machine just the other day, fun stuff.
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DSfA !!4N+Uxa7h - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 06:01:11 EST 3uA6sgR0 No.455336 Reply
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>>455322 I was just having a look too, I remember these threads! Ahh memories...
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Hedda Follersun - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:14:15 EST 6FD1tcde No.455380 Reply
Maybe I'm just an old man here but I need something to be happening to the music on stage for me to be interested. If you are not playing instruments or mixing a beat from scratch in some sort of fluid, improvisational friendly way and instead are just basically queuing a playlist of shit you made in your basement then you are just not going to hold my interest. And it has been my experience that most EDM does not hold my interest, especially in a live setting.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:50:52 EST kBpb+k8N No.455381 Reply
>>455380
That's because actual EDM is dance music. It's there to be a beat to dance to, and not actually interesting for the sake of music or musicians really. They're typically just DJing and nowadays it may be more common to be launching loops n adjusting some paramaters in real time.

The experimental guys are the ones actually performing electronic music live on stage. I feel you though, that's why I insist on drumming on a kit to trigger samples as opposed to only launching loops and adjusting parameters for my own music.
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Nigel Gettingtock - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 06:17:05 EST V3aD6yH3 No.455388 Reply
>>455381
>that's why I insist on drumming on a kit to trigger samples
I am not a dance/electronica person at all but seeing Squarepusher live, his drummer (and slap bass) live really made that set for me. Well that and it was a very diverse festival and having a 90 minute dance party at the end was a great way to end the day.
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Lydia Wedgelod - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 11:24:21 EST 4Jfhz0/V No.455395 Reply
>>455381
there are some interesting shows to see. I like going to psy/trance festivals and had an interesting time seeing Amani once who did like a spoken word poem about the origin dancing with a female dressed in idk like mayan garb. Flying Lotus does a pretty neato 3D set. Some artists also have fire dancers. Quixotic puts on a hell of a show. Tipper usually has good visuals. The Polish Ambassador gets down and funky with his beats. And people like Eric Prydz are well known for their crazy lazer shows. Even some dubstep artists or "guys who put together a playlist" will have a giant screen for visuals that go along with the music. Excision even brings out velociraptors to dance on stage sometimes.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 15:19:00 EST kBpb+k8N No.455399 Reply
>>455395
Well I can't speak for the other guy but I know all that. That's not the point. The point is, as a musician, I don't care about that shit, I want to see musicians PLAYING music.
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Fuck Chendlefudge - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 03:38:21 EST BjWbUE+S No.455408 Reply
>>455399
>as a musician

Nigga chill out bro. You were posting about getting an electric drum kit like a year ago. Simmer down now.

>I've been playing guitar, drums, bass, singing, and piano for over 24 years now and have graduated out of Berkely with double advanced degrees in music performance and music education and have toured the world 7x over with multiple platinum selling bands and rubbed elbows with the greats. I've released numerous chart topping singles and ghost wrote for household names in the music industry. I've made millions upon millions of dollars but don't need to tell you about it. I've recently (3 Years) started to get into Free Jazz and only just now would I maybe consider myself to be possibly a musician in maybe some limited aspects. You should learn some humbleness Mr. Thermos.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 11:47:39 EST lnYBtTFr No.455410 Reply
>>455408
I've had an acoustic kit for like 15 years and also have played bass and low tier guitar for longer. I don't think you're understanding my point because bragging has nothing to do with this. I'm simply talking about what I want to see from musicians. When it comes to electronic music, I'm satisfied with midi controllers even, just as long as they're actively responsible for the change and progression of the music to an interesting degree. And besides, the whole time I was making electronic music, I was wishing I could do the drums for real the whole time because I am a fucking drummer. Humbleness has nothing to do with what I am talking about here. Either I'm missing a joke or your post is actually really fucking retarded.
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Lillian Herryhood - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 13:59:12 EST 6FD1tcde No.455412 Reply
>>455408
>I devoted my life to music but only picked up the most generic set of instruments to play

way to express your creativity!
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 14:13:58 EST lnYBtTFr No.455413 Reply
>>455412
>You are required to have a certain amount of specific musical experience to desire performance over light shows
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Lillian Herryhood - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 14:25:25 EST 6FD1tcde No.455414 Reply
>>455413
bro I was just hating on the fact that dude went to berklee and only learned generic rock band instruments instead of taking that opportunity to learn something like contrabass sax or jazz hurdy gurdy
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Oliver Nabblechet - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:31:03 EST BjWbUE+S No.455421 Reply
>>455410
>>455411
>>455412
>>455413
>>455414
>>455415

Damn lads, I guess satire goes over your heads eh? It was a joke about how there are those cunt musicians out there who have clearly made it but act so insufferable by humble bragging when basically they just got lucky more than anything else and have been playing their whole life since they struck it rich young and know nothing else.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:18:51 EST lnYBtTFr No.455423 Reply
>>455421
That concept seems really shoehorned into the discussion so I'm not even sorry for missing it. Satire doesn't go over my head when it's executed well, m8.
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Oliver Nabblechet - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:15:48 EST BjWbUE+S No.455424 Reply
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>>455423
>Satire doesn't go over my head when it's executed well, m8.

I'm sorry, you're right, I don't think anything can go over your head with this stupid fucking hat on. Loser.
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Oliver Nabblechet - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:53:36 EST BjWbUE+S No.455429 Reply
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>>455425
I dunno marginally. I bought this drum kit in October of last year and never even played it yet so, ya know. You asked to be roasted on /st/ anyways.Mr. Bell Bottoms in 2019.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:59:59 EST kBpb+k8N No.455430 Reply
>>455429
Play the the fucking drums, pussy. Record some oneshots for me to sample on MY kit or something.
Also sorry for not aligning to contemporary fashion trends and wearing clothes outside of my decade / century. You're definitely the first person to ever bring that up, very original.
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Oliver Nabblechet - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:30:40 EST BjWbUE+S No.455431 Reply
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>>455430
I've been playing drums for years, and years fam. I just bought that kit for shows but never ended up playing it. I need to buy a rack system for it but I don't really have room for 2 kits right now. Especially a double bass fuckin 8 piece lol. Besides
>Yamaha > Ddrum

>very original.
Oh thanks, I try.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:36:28 EST kBpb+k8N No.455432 Reply
>>455431
Fair.
All this drum talk reminds me, I desperately need a new throne. Recommendations?
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Oliver Nabblechet - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:35:27 EST BjWbUE+S No.455433 Reply
>>455432
Well, I guess there is a reason everyone uses Roc N Soc now. I like the tractor seat style as when I was playing 6-8 hours daily I would get sciatic nerve pain from round vinyl topped chairs. The backs are utterly useless though. I wasted 60 dollars buying one and it sits somewhere in storage. Maybe some are better. I've seen Joey Jordison use one that is just a 15" pole thing that goes up your back. The Roc N Soc has no tit on it so you can't lean it back and it sits low so basically it is just a lower back pushing pad thing. A total waste of money.

But the seat is good. I don't have the nitro which would have been nicer than the threaded one but the thread is a big ass acme screw so it isn't ever going to wear out. I'd like for the wing bolts and shit to be staked so they don't rattle out. I've lost some and they never stay tight unless loc-tited. But that is all chairs and drum equipment.

Don't get me wrong, there probably isn't any better chair out there but they are pricey but worth it. I used to get sciatica bad from drumming and extreme double bass but it all went away with the right chair.

I almost bought one of these https://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/ahead-spinal-g-drum-throne but thought it may give me hemorrhoids.

I dunno I'd just go with the Roc n Soc again if I had to buy another one. I doubt I will though, unless this one get stolen or catches on fire or something, I'll probably have it for life given how heavily built it is. Just avoid any seats that have wobble to them. That shit is the most annoying thing ever. If you can press down on each side and wobble it any, it is shit. The Roc n Cock has a threaded collar that screws down and locks in place preventing this annoying shit from happening. You should also spend at least 120 dollars or so to get something decent. I don't know what you play Probably some fuckin Beatles covers lol. but if you do double bass extensively or do tons of bass and hi-hat stepping to where you're off balance, the wobble shit is a death sentence. The tractor seat helps to keep you rooted in a spot on the seat, like you sink into it. The round ones, especially with vinyl or slick tops can have you sliding a bit if both your feet come off the ground.
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Oliver Nabblechet - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:46:02 EST BjWbUE+S No.455435 Reply
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>>455433
Pic related. The big knurled thing is the locking collar that tightens downward over the main screw. This thing is the fucking shit. It makes it feel like the cushion is sitting on solid concrete, the rubber feet are also super grippy.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 19:54:22 EST kBpb+k8N No.455439 Reply
>>455433
I like the tractor steat style as well. Don't care about having a back either personally.
But yeah my throne just recently broke and so now it does wobble, and I do hi-hat stuff as well as double bass, but I ALSO have a MIDI pedal board to control effects on the drums, so the wobbling is driving me fucking insane.

>fucking beatles covers
You'll never find me playing a fucking Beatles song, nigga. I've been working on jazz drumming recently but before that and the electronic music, I was all about metal. Disasterpiece used to be my warmup song.

Anyway, thanks. I'll probably just get that one then.
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Simon Dezzleson - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:41:13 EST yWvP55ej No.455441 Reply
>>455439
I like to bust your balls fam. I couldn't get into jazz and shit when I was in music school and that put me on the outs with a lot of people lol. Especially being the "metal guy." But not being into slam/djent/deathcore or metalcore shit that was popular.

Speaking of slipknot which do you prefer Joey or Jay and what'd you think of We Are Not Your Kind?

But for real, that RocnCock was like 160 new but it is probably the best bit of money I spent for my drums outside of my Derek Roddy/A21 Axis Pedals. The locking collar on the RocnSoc is the shit dude.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 23:38:08 EST kBpb+k8N No.455443 Reply
>>455441
Better than kissing my ass tbh.
Honestly I stopped listening to Slipknot after vol 3. Self Titled and Iowa are the only Slipknot releases I ever go back to. So Joey by default. And $160 is just fine. I was honestly expecting to have to drop like $200-$300 for a new one.
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Simon Dezzleson - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 00:14:51 EST yWvP55ej No.455444 Reply
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>>455443
There may be better if you're looking to spend that much but I'd say it's a waste probably.

It is hard for me to rate Slipknot albums.

>Self-Titled>AHIG>Iowa>Grey Chapter>Vol. 3
All hope is gone and Iowa being tied really.

I can't rank Wanyk yet. Jay is aight, he's coming more into form for Slipknot in Wanyk though. His work on the grey chapter was a bit too metronomic and rigid or clean for Slipknot. He's loosened up a lot with them though in the recent years. They've also run off Chris Fehn if you didn't know.

Honestly, I'd just like to have another Mudvayne release in the spirit of the first two albums. Fucking LD50 and The End of All Things to Come are the epitome of Nu-Metal. I can't think of any Nu-Metal albums that come close to them. And also this fucking guy right here. I kind of want to buy a Warwick just because of him but I know it is mostly his playing style that makes his performances sound like they do and not just his bass.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 01:10:13 EST kBpb+k8N No.455446 Reply
>>455444
I haven't really been into metal for years. It still kind of feels like the default thing to go to when i first sit down at a kit though, and my rhythms are still pretty influenced by those times, heh that'll probably never go away at this point. I do remember reading recently that Slipknot members are leaving or getting fired left and right. Idk why though.

When it comes to bass I always liked to play Tool songs mainly. Although I do enjoy some Rush and Pink Floyd stuff as well, but rarely do original work with my basses. I recently got a fretless wich is something I'd always wanted, and thought the timing was appropriate since I'm dabbling in jazz now, but I'd really like a Musicman Sterling. My dad traded in a Les Paul custom for one of those and It's still proably the most satisfying bass I've ever felt.

And honestly, I feel like Slipknot as a whole just got rigid and clean with Vol. 3. I definitely prefer to hear musicians evolve over time, but I guess in this particular case, I didn't really care for the direction plus my tastes were changing I suppose. I didn't even know they released an album this year. I might check it out actually.
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Simon Dezzleson - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 01:23:23 EST yWvP55ej No.455447 Reply
>>455446
Well Paul Grey OD's on fent way back when.
Then Joey got some kind of degenerative disease from heroin abuse and got kicked out. I knew his cousin(?) and got the full insider story and basically Corey Taylor is an asshole to sum it up.
Then Chris Fehn got booted because he wanted more money but he wasn't a "full member" according to Corey and then he filed a lawsuit for unpaid money and shit.

So basically it is just 3 of 9 getting kicked out. Unless you count Donny Steele playing bass behind stage until they got the new guy on bass.

Blut Aus Nord is something to check out for fretless guitar too if you're interested.

You may get into Wanyk. Sid and Craig get far more carried away using samples and electronic shit. They also have a whole song in 7/4 if I remember correctly. It is still a formulaic slipknot album but the catchy chorus shit is a bit more overdone. It works but it is still slipknot being slipknot. Just interesting to see them topping charts and shit again along with new tool and korn music. Like 1999 all over again I guess.
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Fanny Gebblefuck - Mon, 26 Aug 2019 15:57:43 EST C+r/I+Ys No.455478 Reply
>>455446

You should play some Intronaut on fretless bass. Their bassist also plays fretless bass. He’s one of my favorite bassists and dudes in general. He always posts cool little facts about Tool and the music industry in the post-metal shitposting group were both in on Facebook lol
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Figh !FQ7nkrq/as - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 05:48:00 EST BaMc59V7 No.455722 Reply
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I………I do'nt know wat else to say other than
I love you guys, and this place
it's no matter that the thread seems to have taken a tangent; music is still being discussed.


>>455291
OP,
I feel your plight, from digital miles away.

>My personal prescription
>is that everyone in this thread please go and see…
https://vimeo.com/65954928
>^^^ …this fantastic documentary, the soonest that you can.


>>455399
>musicians PLAYING music
(perhaps you already know these, but…)
Therm0ptic, I have some surprises in store. Please consider them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTDe5i6JA6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0SDdTnUyEM
https://lightningbolt.bandcamp.com/album/wonderful-rainbow

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