/mdma/ Ecstasy Discussion
Apart from euphoria and side-effects, MDMA makes one feel empathy towards others, right? Any insight on what happens to those normally is not empathetic at all: animals, very young children, autists? Anyone not able to pass Sally-Anne test really.
>>226152Sally will look in the basket, she should look in the box.
there's a lot of videos where people with autism take mdma, it works roughly similar
Sally will look in the basket because she cannot read Anne's mind and know that she moved the marble while she was gone. Why don't they have a hive-mind commonality of experience, where everyone knows what everyone else is doing instead. Then there would be no complications and somebody toucha my spaghetts.
I've seen a version of this test before. Apparently, many kids with autism will always choose the box instead of the basket.
>>226174Fuck that. I didn't read the post.
>autismMDMA is currently being researched for autism spectrum disorder, so I assume they think something's good about it. If it does get legalized for the purposes of ASD, it would fill a very similar category as Adderall now. Most ASDs have attentional impairment similar to ADHDs, so stimulatory drugs have always been on the table. Also, many more people would start pretending to be autistic for their practitioners. >animalsI would strongly discourage making assumptions about the empathic capabilities of other animals. >young childrenYeah, because there's droves of people looking to give ecstasy to four year olds?
>>226179I can assert that it works for ASD. I'm still awkward but at least I'm not an autist.
>>226179> I would strongly discourage making assumptions about the empathic capabilities of other animals.And bats specifically, mmkay. Would it be any better if I restated my question in observatory fashion: I was curious whether a subject with normally no or little visible signs of empathy shows more visible signs of empathy while high on MDMA?> Yeah, because there's droves of people looking to give ecstasy to four year olds?I never assumed it would be something acceptable, but that's something that might have happened in our bloody world, intentionally or not. Human history knows unpleasant episodes, such as maternity in the age of 5 or Nazi human experimentation. Despite being so horrific themselves, I see nothing wrong about gossiping about them, especially if we don't name names.
> I would strongly discourage making assumptions about the empathic capabilities of other animals.
> Yeah, because there's droves of people looking to give ecstasy to four year olds?
>>226183I could imagine a subject lacking empathy becoming better at faking empathy to better take advantage of others while on MDMA.
>>226183I could imagine a subject lacking empathy becoming better at faking empathy -- to better take advantage of others -- while on MDMA.
I often find that I fail to properly consider other people's situations and feelings, aside from when judging how much discomfort my actions might cause.I find cannabis, psychedelics, amphetamines (not sure about cocaine) and MDMA all increase empathic thought.I would have a geek-gasm if I could explore the effects of empathogens on psychopaths and autistic psychopaths.I once was introduced to a man, identified as a sociopath, who had interest in and enjoyed taking things like LSD. I regret not having put aside time to contact him and trip with him, as these days I'm deadly curious about the effects of drugs, especially serotonergic agents and empathogens, on psychopaths.
>>226226unless you are absolutely autistic, you'll probably develop your empathy more by just becoming more conscious of it, as opposed to relying on chems
Im diagnosed with autism, asperges to be exact. From the way i feel when im on M, i do feel Empathy if you call it that.It feels like i can see how people feel just by looking at them.
My friend has aspergers, honestly MDMA effects him the same as it would anyone else, as far as I can tell. He doesn't lack empathy at all (nor do animals), but he does miss lots of social clues. I've seen him put his finger through his fly and wiggle it like a dick while attempting to seduce a sophisticated older woman, for example.He has a real simplicity when expressing his emotions, like the other night we were rolling, and I was in the middle of a really deep and long talk with my other friend, and he came and listened for a while. All he said was "you're my best friend", and then the three of us hugged and that was that. I guess maybe he is more quiet than people usually are. Weed is more psychadelic than usual for him, and he'll smoke weed a lot when he rolls, so it can be very psychadelic for him when he takes MDMA but I don't know if that would really be linked to autism. >>226263Thats how it feels for me all the time, it's weird as fuck seeing it written like that. Mostly look like they feel bad. I'll have to ask my friend if he feels the difference like that.
>>226179Yeah, because there's droves of people looking to give ecstasy to four year olds?better a few doses of proper MDMA therapy than a school-career of daily amp salts I imagine
>>226312>proper MDMA therapyyou mean, getting high and loving everybody then coming down and still hating them? similar to couple therapy with MDMA, another great idea I just love it when people add all those reasons to justify getting high and try to make drugs look like something better than they really are
>proper MDMA therapy
>>226313>you mean, getting high and loving everybody then coming down and still hating them?There's a huge difference between actual MDMA-assisted psychotherapy and railing half a gram at a Phish concert. There's a lot of empirical evidence supporting MDMA-assisted psychotherapy, it wouldn't be so far along in regulatory approval if there wasn't.
>you mean, getting high and loving everybody then coming down and still hating them?
>>226315Empirical evidence doesn't mean shit and ir's just short term solution to problems in relationship
>>226316someone forgot to take their 5-htp
>>226317someone can't accept fact that using drugs to solve relationship problems is worst idea ever
>>226319Blurring the line between subconscious and conscious thought which serotonogentic drugs do can result in uncovering of the reasons for certain behavior patterns by the other party in a relationship which can then be conveyed to the other party for reflection.MDMA can allow a feeling of absolute safety which would prevent holding back and would also temporarily make accepting incoming information easier to do.Actual relationship mending activities would need to take place sober or with the assistance of some sort of other thought form manipulation such as holotropic breathwork, classic psychedelics, whateverthefuck.
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