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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated April 10)
finding all natural products? Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Caroline Nickledock - Wed, 24 Apr 2019 06:01:32 EST ID:3R5LAgfR No.55736
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how do you go about finding all natural products? just for daily things like soap, shaving cream, lotion and stuff like that?

i found one site thats pretty GOOD but i mean not perfect. everything on there still has like one or two questionable looking chemicals in it but its still a pretty good resource. i find some shit on amazon where everything in it comes from some sort of plant but then its like $25 or $15 for one thing and then 8 dollars for a small tub or this and 8 dollars for another small tub of this so its like 50-60 dollars just for a few things like 4 or 5 things. and its still hard to find just to find one product takes a little bit of looking and then to find other ones to compare it to or cheaper is fucking HARD and then even if you find products i have to open up like 23 tabs to compare them and read a long ass list of ingrediants to make sure they all come from some sort of plant source and its hard to find more than one that is just purely natural and organic

so basically finding a whole laundry list of everything i need for regular use is really fucking hard

Getting a regular doctor for the first time at 28 Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Another human - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 01:05:28 EST ID:Ih1YCYeX No.55727
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First visit to first regular doctor for 28 year old Male - what say/request?
Patient lives in Colorado, USA, has pretty decent insurance. Doesn't know how to medicine

Unrelated pic is my dinosaur treehouse base atop a rock formation in Ark
Will provide more pics if anyone is keen, but entirely unrelated, I'm just proud

Insurance at my dream job is about to kick in, got the second highest PPO plan, includes dental
General doc visits are $25, specialists $50, as a generic price reference
I've never had regular medical consultation with the same person before
Want to make the most of it, but don't want to be an asshole patient
Living in Colorado, USA. Lived in Australia for years prior (not sure if relevant information)
Male, turning 29 in 8 months
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Martin Brenkinhudge - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 06:29:14 EST ID:uQJxNPP7 No.55728 Ignore Report Reply

Keep private drug use private. These can follow you around, be misinterpreted. Just because MJ is legal doesn't mean a Dr may see it the same way. DRs are not supposed to ask about sexual orientation in Colorado I believe. So they likely would not care one way or another. Ask for a blood test screening, call it blood work. Like have blood work done. Concerns, followup questions may be asked. Three things, alcohol tobacco and drug use are definitely marked.

Try to keep mentions of drinking kinda minimal. Your blood work may show elevated liver
enzymes if drinking too much, pancreas lipase levels should be at a normal range.
Otherwise, alcohol may be the cause of some concern.

Reality, Drs may feel say 3 drinks 3 times a week is way too muc . Even call it alcoholism for that matter. So be wary of what you share and how you share it.

Not sure what part of town you are in. Southeast Denver is pretty higher scale DRS. Avoid any affiliations with adventist drs. Just look up their history. Avoid Centura meridian health, maybe. Not saying these are bad. I had a perfect Dr who was affiliated with adventist and centura and meridian. She was totally cool. Not just a friendly cool, just pretty cool all around. Parker Colorado has some good Dr's. Some Drs that are good and respected will show up with almost certain 98% positive reviews.

Some say people complain when they don't like something, in reviews, well when people have positive reviews about drs, it will show page after page in web searches. Dentists, eh, not sure. Good luck to your future travels.
Jack Turveydale - Sun, 21 Apr 2019 00:01:16 EST ID:bFIbT47D No.55734 Ignore Report Reply
>Keep private drug use private.
Another human - Mon, 22 Apr 2019 23:02:38 EST ID:Ih1YCYeX No.55735 Ignore Report Reply
Greatly appreciate the advice, thanks all.
Have considered this a lot before replying.

...I have a new plan... Sort of. It has two potential second halves; plz help.
I feel sure about steps (1) and (1.5), but not sure which step (2) is better.

Step 1)
I'll ask the doctor for all of these in first session, and yearly checkup:
  • Baseline of bloodwork (thanks for the phrasing, I wonder what they'll test for?)
  • Baseline of vitals (heart rate, blood pressure)
  • Report sleep/diet/exercise profile
  • Report diluted stats on drinking ("a few drinks over the weekend most weekends")
  • Report no drug use.
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hello Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Graham Grimfoot - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 07:00:21 EST ID:/iTC1JlS No.55730
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no one can actually do this, right?
make smallpox?
Eliza Settingnit - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 23:07:18 EST ID:p98oIwAn No.55731 Ignore Report Reply
No, you just order it from labs.
Lillian Goodford - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 10:33:17 EST ID:ylGv+WnJ No.55733 Ignore Report Reply
Not yet.

Seizures Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Hannah Muzzlefeg - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 17:10:39 EST ID:rshN7SPx No.55729
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weird thread but hear me out

So a year and a half ago I had my first seizure. Since it was the first I was taken to the ER, made sure I was cool and was basically told not to worry about it since most people will have one freak one at some point in their life. Wasn't taking drugs at the time.

I had my second one this past weekend. They did all the tests again and said "well you don't have any signs of actual epilepsy so we're gonna refer you to a neurologist." Full disclosure, I had totally been abusing tramadol for like, a week or two before. Never going beyond the 400mg a day guideline but maybe up to 300mg a day. Anyway, I'm pretty sure that's what caused it. I mean if I told the doctors that they would certainly blame that since there's nothing else to jump at. In any case it doesn't matter, cause I'm not gonna go down that road. I got off heroin years ago. The DEA has made it damn near impossible to get real opiates these days. So, I fell off the wagon with these fucking things. I know not to take them again.

My main question is about how long should I wait til I start fucking with more 'regular' street drugs again? I think last time I waited about a week. Thing is I broke a couple of toes, dislocated my shoulder and banged my ear and head pretty hard this time around. That little bit of 3meopcp in the drawer is really tempting since OTC pain meds ain't worth a shit and I keep having to leave work early cause I'm in such pain and I can't exactly afford that since I know I've got an ambulance and ER bill coming soon.

I understand I'm taking a risk no matter what. I guess I should also mentioned they sent me home with some Divalproex to prevent another seizure which I have been taking, although I'd rather not. Think I may just take it until I get to my regular doctor in a couple days. I know it's really stupid to even ask ya'll but the internet at large does not have an answer for "how long after a seizure can I start doing drugs again?" I'm hoping maybe one of ya'll has some personal experience or something.
Eliza Settingnit - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 23:09:08 EST ID:p98oIwAn No.55732 Ignore Report Reply
You need more help than you're going to get here... Maybe try QQ on irc... damn.

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Phyllis Movingfoot - Thu, 23 Nov 2017 13:24:51 EST ID:4O7fBeO4 No.55174
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alright doctor heres the deal, i got a hemmorhoid on my asshole and its hurting when i cough, its like the size of a pea maybe? but its killing me. what do i do? Is there some cream I can put on my asshole to make it go away? Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nell Bapperbanks - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 05:17:26 EST ID:SYy8Yh3B No.55688 Ignore Report Reply
Get a squatter or it's going to keep habbening.
Frederick Sangerpag - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 00:36:56 EST ID:a3o8CN2o No.55725 Ignore Report Reply
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ayo, I did not want to start a new thread.

Does anyone know what the process of hemorrhoid surgery would be? After the surgery, would the person be able to sit without pain? Has anyone here gone through it that can share their experience of hemorrhoid surgery and recovery? I think I read something in this thread before about a doctor trying to get a camera up the patient's butt. Would that be necessary?
Frederick Sangerpag - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 00:41:15 EST ID:a3o8CN2o No.55726 Ignore Report Reply
oh maybe the camera part was lost during the 420ch snow blackout. it's not that important. my bad, i should have read the thread before posting and now i'm explaining myself like a lunatic. peace

corkscrew hairs Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Edwin Sankintidge - Mon, 01 Apr 2019 16:45:30 EST ID:YwEZO2dM No.55719
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Are corkscrew hairs a sign of any other medical conditions besides scurvy?
Alice Bunlock - Tue, 02 Apr 2019 23:00:48 EST ID:IkIWMEs1 No.55720 Ignore Report Reply
2spooky morgellons disease
Priscilla Tootstock - Sat, 06 Apr 2019 07:31:56 EST ID:cbbTr9mZ No.55723 Ignore Report Reply
Just a thought, if you do illicit amphetamines, heard some analogues can do this to people. If so ditch the stuff asap. Just do non-clear dope if at all. Too many rc chemicals that are bad news I understand. If so this could just screw you up more than anything. In not apologies for mentions of it. A few have reported the same issues, bumpy things above and below the skin. WIth curly not usual hairs.

Boils? Ignore Report View Thread Reply
James Hambleworth - Wed, 21 Nov 2018 01:51:39 EST ID:FOOggz5x No.55654
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I have these hard knots (2-3) in my armpit. One came to a head and busted and I squeezed it out. I think their boils. Google's giving me mixed diagnosis. Anybody know? Sorry the picture is terrible
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Nicholas Cidgebig - Tue, 27 Nov 2018 14:22:46 EST ID:FonZKC1l No.55657 Ignore Report Reply
could be ur lymph nodes, not a good sign, see a doc
Phoebe Fishfudge - Sat, 08 Dec 2018 15:10:21 EST ID:FonZKC1l No.55661 Ignore Report Reply
OP did u died?
Fanny Demmerhudging - Thu, 04 Apr 2019 07:15:32 EST ID:X5BW44/s No.55722 Ignore Report Reply
His picture 404'd so basically the same thing RIP

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Mika - Sat, 02 Mar 2019 19:53:21 EST ID:aOMTcMUN No.55678
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I have a problem that I cant prove and cant explain how I know but theres a strange virus in my blood stream, they tunnel around. I can feel them. They go towards my throat when I eat food to eat the trace elements.

Other problems I have. Systemic burning, weight gain, jaw pain.

I am already on psychiatric drugs that would obviate the conclusion that its delusional parasitosis.

Lets that there are tiny bugs in my bloodstream. If I get my hands on an antiparasitic would it kill them regardless of their species, or would I just die trying to treat myself like an idiot
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Nathaniel Blackham - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 03:38:13 EST ID:p98oIwAn No.55702 Ignore Report Reply
These also sound like the symptoms of some immunosuppresents now that I think about it.
Charlotte Wobberchurk - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 05:22:54 EST ID:DyQNWDeH No.55704 Ignore Report Reply
A blood and stool sample should help verify issues. Parasites may cross a blood to brain barrier. Which spells bad news. Considering you take anti-psychotic? drugs? Does not mean there isn't really something going on. I would see a dr who specializes in parasitic medicine and history of immunization in countries with bad water. Many US UK DRs immunize and treat children with parasites in third world countries. So they are not going to discount possibilities based on medication you take. The symptoms, burning, jaw pain, some affect the central nervous system sound realistic.

My previous DR did this, immunizations, treatments for quite some time. Many Drs I have met have.

So asap, do see a DR for this. It (you) deserve to be checked and treated. They may think delusional because of medications you may take. But not really. There are millions of these type of parasites in the US every year. Some do interfere with clear thinking, and can only get worse without true medical treatment, and can be reversed if that is possibly happening. Contact the CDC maybe. Your local medicaid would help find a proper DR and or clinic. An emergency room may get you assistance very quickly and have results within hours.
Alice Bunlock - Tue, 02 Apr 2019 23:05:04 EST ID:IkIWMEs1 No.55721 Ignore Report Reply
you could experiment with pet meds, but I'd go in to a regular doc for a physical exam and try to get some excercise if I were you, and NO SUGAR parasites fucking love sugar.

How to stop the doc from filling me with sugar Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Shit Blackshit - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 04:50:04 EST ID:YwEZO2dM No.55658
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How do I stop the doctor from pumping me full of IV Dextrose when they see my blood sugar is at 3.0 mmol/L? I eat low carb so obviously my blood sugar is low, but as soon as I mention ketones to them they freak out, run a urine test that comes at at >16 mmol/L, and nearly shit their pants. I've been held down and forced IV Dextrose against my will.
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Phineas Papperford - Fri, 01 Mar 2019 05:59:36 EST ID:9I0gJMQP No.55677 Ignore Report Reply
Ok here is the choice going through their heads:
> Let this dickhead do his fancy diet
> Choose not to treat a potential DKA because the patient knows better.
Furthermore, as DKA can make you confused and delirious, duty of care says that you need sugar and your refusal might be caused by the reversible lack of sugar. Like someone who was just hit in the head with a brick refusing a head CT because it will mess up their hair.
Frederick Chimmersit - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 01:09:59 EST ID:95k8PhLN No.55717 Ignore Report Reply
While really sick

Conclusion I reached was

I wish this board the best of luck so many prayers...
Phyllis Tootgold - Mon, 01 Apr 2019 10:42:57 EST ID:p98oIwAn No.55718 Ignore Report Reply
Shoo shoo! Your slave god will have no more slaves. Always have to try to catch them at the weakest point though? Fucking monster.

I have one bad symptom left from ocd/depression Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Sidney Clavinglit - Fri, 22 Feb 2019 23:08:05 EST ID:1jh5LPLW No.55666
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I no longer have to do compulsions, or feel aniexty or feel rage or extreme sadness. I can sleep with being wake up by nightmares or wake up and not remember. I dont smell things, I dont see much stuff latched on objects, I dont get new weird thoughts much or feel a lot of fear.

Memories that won't stop coming is my problem, they're muddled over the years but they still bother me. Any way to stop this?
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Hugh Fongermin - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 02:02:37 EST ID:8E3FdR+S No.55715 Ignore Report Reply
Well, fishing, fish out of water the mortality rate rises very quickly. The older the fish the higher mortality rate. Taking pictures, eh I have a few. I likely have state records through the years. But never kept fish to show off that I got record size fish.. I could care less about recognition. Back when kissing a fish was popular by the bass masters tv exploit fish for profits.

The fishing contests they would hold up their fish for the weigh in, fireworks etc. Then all would let the fish go at the ramp. Miles from where they were caught. People would wait around the shorelines for the fish to wash up dead to take them. Now they just have a monitor on the boat
and the fish are to be let go quickly. These people still though jerk the fish flat out of the water,
like ripping thier heads almost off. They get docked a few points. I despise the 9 hook lures, the RIGHT ON, high five aspect.

Fish do get stressed. I do acknowledge that. I often just hang around the waters, trees just to be
out. Reflect on things. I always carry bags to pick up trash, usually older people walk by and say, thank you. Good feeling that people appreciate you doing We have started mass trash pickup sessions, where whole families, average couples, 15 people suddenly just start picking up trash. So a small parking lot, every person is cleaning stuff up. But fishing fun, yea, moreso,
kind of a refinement of the mind for me. And my main associate. Associate strategy with real world strategy. But I see your view fully.
Hugh Fongermin - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 02:11:23 EST ID:8E3FdR+S No.55716 Ignore Report Reply
I used to wade in waters where half the lake is at times iced over. For 12 hours at a time or longer in shorts. Nightime, get in tune with the waters, and yourself as well.
Kind of a blank slate where you can Rewrite your thinking processes. Learn how to
try different ways to accomplish things, in many different ways. Not just seemingly the easiest path, but choose more difficult paths that in the end actually is more productive. May sound odd. But doing things in different than expected manners, in more difficult manners to achieve the same results,
one gets more perspectives on what and why they are trying to do things in different manners.
Frederick Sangerpag - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 00:28:36 EST ID:a3o8CN2o No.55724 Ignore Report Reply
>>55716 nb
hey that's a cool story. i like trying to find ways to be more productive and am also usually working in difficult environments.

Forced hospitalization for Xanax addiction? Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Walter Tillingridge - Thu, 14 Mar 2019 22:01:26 EST ID:9l10QM9W No.55695
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I know /benz/ is there but this is really about this specific psychiatrist's "approach" to get me off Xanax which to me sounds pretty wrong.

I've been taking 6mg a day for years. My prior psychiatrist prescribed them to me like they were candies. With this new doc I made it very clear I wanted to taper. He was glad to hear that.

However, he told me he wouldn't prescribe any benzos AT ALL. Instead he wants me to get hospitalized in order to withdraw. What the fuck? We're not talking about opiates here. Tapering off 6mg Xanax takes a long ass time. He must know that.

I asked him, what if I don't want to get hospitalized. He said that I would have to get them somewhere else. And that in case I find myself in WDs I should go to the ER and ask for Xanax basically. Seriously now?

By the way I do not abuse Xanax. I've been stuck on this huge dosage for a while now.

To recap my choices are:

1) Get hospitalized.
2) Refuse and when the WDs hit, rush to the ER. Which should get me hospitalized too...
3) Get benzos somewhere else and form my own taper plan.
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Kurtis 43 broadcast emulsion - Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:27:37 EST ID:xLk+Gc8J No.55696 Ignore Report Reply
Nathaniel Blackham - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 03:42:40 EST ID:p98oIwAn No.55703 Ignore Report Reply
You need a new doctor, that piece of shit should be forced into the same situation you are, and have his degree thrown in the trash. It is a SERIOUS health concern, to be suddenly pulled off of a drug like xanax. They're pretty much trying to fucking kill you. Note, I consider xanax to be poison, and the abuse of xanax to be a one way ticket to waking up covered in fat chick and melted snickers bars, but there is absolutely no fucking excuse for what that "doctor" is trying to do. Legitimately trying to harm you.
Hugh Dommleshaw - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:15:06 EST ID:P2j28eQm No.55709 Ignore Report Reply
Your doctor is evil. Benz wds can be lethal and they're worse than heroin. Buy some RCs online and taper yourself off. Fuck him.

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Lillian Govingfore - Thu, 16 Aug 2018 10:12:54 EST ID:fxY8Sj6e No.55512
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So I probably tore the lower portion of my bicep a bit and didn't notice? Couple weeks ago I felt sudden pain in my arm while doing absolutely nothing with it (was probably carrying some shopping bags or moving furniture a day earlier), it ended after a second and nothing else happened. Heard no pops or rips.

Weeks later I realize I have a colorless golf ball sized bump on the inside of my arm near the joint, where brachialis peeks out from under the bicep (I'm fa--I mean I'm bulking, h-hehe... so it wasn't really obvious). It took me a long while before I put two and two together and realized this is probably a minor hematoma leaking down from the lower bicep (or a small rupture in the brachialis but that supposedly almost never happens). Ironically until I didn't notice it was pretty much painless, now I probably hold the hand differently and it gets a tad sore in the area. I did the hook test and the tendon is attached and not painful, so it seems that either the sack or some fibers tore and nothing will come of it.

If there aren't clear signs and no pain its safe to say that its 99% not anything that requires surgical procedures, right? I mean I literally missed it happening and went on with my day. However I know that if it was extremely fucked up you can lose some arm function, so I'm still kind of unsure if I should leave it be or most likely waste a wad of cash I don't have on an MRI and a doctor to grope me for 3 seconds and tell me I'm fine.
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Simon Brookbury - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:08:54 EST ID:FonZKC1l No.55689 Ignore Report Reply
wow nigga 7 months later you are still worried about this? if you genuinely dont want to be deformed go to the god damn doctor, like 6 months ago
Albert Billingham - Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:45:09 EST ID:p98oIwAn No.55690 Ignore Report Reply
This. I'm one of the last people to say to go to the doctors, but well, seven months... so go to the fucking doctor. The only thing modern medicine is good at, is surgical options... and clearly that's the fucking solution at this point.
Fucking Fellerman - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:06:31 EST ID:fxY8Sj6e No.55708 Ignore Report Reply
I'm asking a question, not your life advice. There's no information on this kind of injuries besides "under a month" the muscle contracts permanently, but thats garbage from livestrong articles and the like. Forget the OP and answer the question or don't bother.

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Phoebe Bankinbud - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 18:52:59 EST ID:vZhRhc7c No.55705
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I'm having a shameful problem for since last week, my urine has become a bit too strong and my dick is kinda leaky so there's always some pee in my boxers, I guess this is why the tip of dick now is all red and rashy and feels like burning whenever it touches urine, maybe it's because I've been taking madicine for townail fungus since 3 months ago, I don't know what to do and I'm not going to a doctor for this problem.
PirateMike - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 03:42:19 EST ID:Z7363l39 No.55706 Ignore Report Reply
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Maybe it's balanitis. I have balanitis and I can get rid of it but mine has almost no symptoms except redness. I tried clotrimazole but it made it worse so it's probably bacterian. Does anyone know what efficient topical antibiotic can be used for balanitis?
Priscilla Pittham - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 06:12:26 EST ID:vZhRhc7c No.55707 Ignore Report Reply
Actually the rash and pain are in the foreskin, not the forehead.

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Nell Bapperbanks - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 02:02:13 EST ID:SYy8Yh3B No.55685
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So this shortbus place keeps coming up in conversation with people in different places I go to online, and two ex-students I've had peripheral dealing with both claim to have been raped and tortured there. One guy is about as coherent as a pitbull in a spin drier, but I do believe if his problems didn't start there, they probably got worse there.
Has anyone had dealings with this place, or know anyone who has?
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Jarvis Bruzzleham - Thu, 14 Mar 2019 20:07:17 EST ID:X5BW44/s No.55694 Ignore Report Reply
That's so funny, OP. I grew up in Provo. As far as I remember no shortbus kids were diddled but we are the repressed mormon state so it's likely.

That's horrible, jeeze. The only thing relevant I can recall now is that a Provo High janitor got busted for hiding a camera in a candy wrapper in the girl's locker room... OH wait, also my old Health teacher...Hmmm. Sure https://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/former-provo-high-teacher-receives-maximum-sentence-for-sexually-abusing/article_e7e41c90-7bf4-5997-bd91-344e9d3ce28a.html

The crazy thing is he was one of my favorite and (everyone's) most liked teachers. Dude turned out to be a sicko. Oh well I made it right
Truthin' sorry forgive me if that's dark. This should absolutely be acknowledged at least since you requested.
Beatrice Soffingpadge - Mon, 18 Mar 2019 03:16:46 EST ID:cFviKd1E No.55697 Ignore Report Reply
I do not hear about this medical high school before. I am medical college student now. I study in Boston. After graduation I want to get master degree in one of the medical universities. Now I work on descriptive essay on 6500 words. I contacted for helping to https://gpalabs.com/ because I need to correct some mistakes in my essay
Shit Hubberkere - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 12:14:49 EST ID:FonZKC1l No.55700 Ignore Report Reply

god help us all if you ever practice medicine

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