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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

Shoulder

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- Sun, 25 Sep 2016 03:16:37 EST 2jK6qKAY No.54507
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A few years ago, I hurt my shoulder while lifting weights. The pain wasn't that severe, and it eventually subsided. Occasionally when I'd exercise I'd have some discomfort. Recently I've started swimming a few times a week. Now I have constant discomfort in the lower part of my shoulder blade and occasional popping near the shoulder itself (where the arm connects to the chest)
I've done a little digging and it may require therapy or surgery, neither of which I can afford.

What is the likely problem?
What can I do about it?
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Priscilla Gollymeg - Mon, 26 Sep 2016 01:06:02 EST i2CQkwQ5 No.54514 Reply
>>54507
Shoulder injuries are the most common sports injuries. Here is what you must do.

Rest your arm until the pain subsides completely (do stuff with other arm, everything, even opening doors). Do not swim or do any sports at all in the meantime. Should take a few weeks (2-4), be patient. Massage with ice entire shoulder area (shoulder, blade, area in front about the same size and shape as the blade) three times a day for ten minutes. Wrap in something warm afterwards for a while. In the last week or two, do arm stretching exercises.

In the future, never ever work out / do sports before doing warming up exercises first, and never ever finish working out / do sports without doing stretching out exercises after!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Without skipping steps. Without rushing them. I cannot emphasize enough how important they are for keeping you from injuring yourself with sport.

This is important stuff. Follow it to the T, or you risk to render yourself being unable to do much more mundane things than swim for the rest of your life.
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Phineas Bonkinsadge - Mon, 26 Sep 2016 02:24:55 EST ikGTrOLX No.54515 Reply
>>54514

yep, im in pt school and this is p. much correct

ya either got a sprain or a strain op, just listen to priscilla here and you'll be good. don't be the typical athlete fucktard and grind your body into the dust, take the time off to heal.

or don't, its your body, whatever
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Phyllis Mumblenune - Wed, 01 Feb 2017 08:00:42 EST p1JotNWx No.54740 Reply
>>54507
You can try to put a hot/warm bag on the hurting area. The heat will "soften up" your muscles which can heal small defects in the tissue for instance lightly knotted tissue.
It's a cheap solution, else try get a friend or family member to massage you but remember they should never massage on your bones.

My wrist hurts 10+ days now

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!!D0XjIgKF - Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:21:35 EST ljtyfMGq No.54679
File: 1484371295970.jpg -(100773B / 98.41KB, 1200x506) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. My wrist hurts 10+ days now
I cant bend it upwards or downwards, nor put pressure inwards on the hand (like pressure in the direction of the finger tips to the elbow).
I think its gotten worse. Theres no obvious deformation, but it feels swollen.

If I went to a doctor ($25), he'd send me to get an x-ray ($25) then come back to discuss it ($25). So Im not paying $75 when I have /med/,
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Oliver Mepperlot - Sat, 28 Jan 2017 01:01:30 EST 4LPLdCby No.54732 Reply
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>>54711

carpal* tunnel syndrome is actually a dramatically overdiagnosed bullshit catchy buzzphrase that the medically uninformed layperson likes to parrot to sound informed. just like "ROTATOR CUFF" (while pointing at chest) and "HIP FLEXORS" (while pointing at ass). surgery has a 50/50 ratio of making it better or worse. this incorrect fixation on the literal tunnel between the carpal bones (which only rarely narrows due to genetic deformity or dramatic onset of something like rheumatoid arthritis) distracts from the dramatically most common root cause: hypertonicity of the wrist extensor muscle group (particularly at the proximal insertions) due to repetitive and/or sustained periods of contraction and little to no stretching, resulting in neurological patterning of continuous partial contraction of the muscle group, causing compression of nerves, causing tingling/pain/weakness. people assume the wrist bones are magically compressing into each other even though that's impossible.

guess what are 2 extremely common causes: computer use and tennis lol (lateral epicondylitis is literally caused by tendonitis in the forearm)
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Reuben Bondledock - Sun, 29 Jan 2017 22:34:59 EST kcXxgV1R No.54734 Reply
>>54732
huh, I always thought tennis fucked up your elbows not your wrists. but yeah surgery isn't reliable, and cortisone injections are temporary and a crutch. just gotta lay off the comp and buy a wrist brace that fits you. if you're one of those people who makes it worse by sleeping on your side and laying your face on your hands, you'll want one of those bigger wrist braces designed for side sleepers.
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Eugene Hizzlelog - Sun, 29 Jan 2017 23:47:18 EST 4LPLdCby No.54735 Reply
>>54734

lateral epicondylitis is the medical term for tennis elbow.

Help required

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- Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:13:47 EST iWQOKOPk No.54656
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Anyone have any idea what might be causing this rash on my daughters eyelids? It's red and swollen and the crease in the skin bleeds every time she blinks.

What medicine should I use on this?
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Alice Pongerwudge - Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:41:04 EST g69ys+yI No.54714 Reply
honestly, I'd try neosporin and hope for the best
good luck OP
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Molly Goodfoot - Wed, 25 Jan 2017 02:17:26 EST j4BuOIAN No.54720 Reply
My thoughts, people bring their kids to the doctor for less. Are you people out of touch? Something is very very wrong here. Opinion, if neglect was posed by anybody, this would likely result in at least a neglect charge. If not daughter taken away if this has lasted over a week, even a few days if her eyes bleed.

Something is definitely wrong. If there is an infection, obviously there is. A person, child adult can become blind if an infection is near or moving towards the eyes. Any doctor would say this. Next infection that travel like this go to the brain and death is a possible and likely outcome. I had a simple cat scratch on my face and let it be for a while and my cheek swelled like a chipmunk, and started making its way just to my eyes. the ER doctors explained that infections that gain to the eyes are beyond serious. They pumped me with masses of antibiotics and a script, not basic penicillin either. Anyway was told 2 days more could have been the end of my sight. Maybe 3 at best. If I had this I would go to the er myself without any hesitation, why not a child? Not over reacting, but,
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Molly Goodfoot - Wed, 25 Jan 2017 02:25:31 EST j4BuOIAN No.54721 Reply
>>54720
I may be overreacting but,, allergies maybe, but just something I would seek a heal-care provider for.

Alright I got an issue

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- Wed, 12 Oct 2016 20:43:48 EST Azcj1kEc No.54551
File: 1476319428184.jpg -(80438B / 78.55KB, 960x648) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Alright I got an issue
My mom gets cold sores every once in a while and my lips were super chapped and she handed me this medicated chap stick stuff she uses, and I took like a paper towel and wiped the outside off really well and then put a small amount on my lips and gave it back, and I like immediately regretted it and it's been a few days and I dont have any cold sores or anything but the area around my mouth feels kind of chappend and the corners of my lips feel like when you slightly cut them, how fucked am I?
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John Cummerway - Fri, 20 Jan 2017 00:25:26 EST HEpW8j8o No.54697 Reply
>>54551
I'm sure ingredients in the blistex or whatever in the container kills the virus. Although it is almost certain you have had this long before. Most people have the virus, it simply stays dormant in nerve cells.

It is what it is. Most never have breakouts. Or at least just once or twice in their lifetime. Stress can trigger this. Smoking cigs \I believe can do the same.

Not a huge issue but do not touch/rub your eyes in general without clean hands. This virus, it can mess with your eyes in rare cases. For me on my eyelids little blisters can form. Against common sense I pop them and they actually go away, but is highly not recommended. Signs symptoms need not be present to transfer the virus.

So in all, don't worry about it. It is basically everywhere. Best practice in general to avoid viruses, don't rub your eyes and wash your hand fairly often, especially in like an office environment. Or antibacterial gel is fine.
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Alice Pongerwudge - Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:34:08 EST g69ys+yI No.54712 Reply
cold sores are usually caused by herpes simplex 1, which can lay dormany for years, treatable with zinc oxide or lemon balm if you're a hippy.

frenulum breve

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- Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:44:58 EST fp4fZpKe No.54683
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I need to perform minor surgery on my penis to correct "frenulum breve". This involves pushing a needle and thread through the frenulum and then tying it so that the frenulum is cut through and released over a few days. This is a similar procedure to "tail docking" in livestock. What is the best domestically available local anesthetic I can use so that it doesn't hurt too much when I push the needle through?
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Hamilton Buzzson - Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:53:09 EST ljtyfMGq No.54694 Reply
>>54692
Soak it in cocaine, then huff ether right before you do it.
Honestly the only thing that comes to mind.
Heroin too.
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John Cummerway - Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:50:50 EST HEpW8j8o No.54696 Reply
>>54683
AnbesolI believe comes in 10% lidocaine as a liquid. en.
So I say if you are set on donig this yourself, get 10% over the counter
Andbesol, or equivalent. Apply to target areas. wait around 15 minutes,
apply again and in 15 20 minutes or so it should be at it's max numbness.

If can acquire pills, hycodone is common, tylenol 3s if you are not allergic to acetaminophen or opiates. Take a couple or one about 35 minutes before procedure, noting if you don't get too high to accomplish this task. Ibuprophen would be OK, 200 mgs is perfectly safe if one is not allergic to I believe nsaids classes of drugs.

Take a shot of vodka whiskey before and rub some on the area for sterile reasons, if not a drinker use rubbing alcohol. This would help numb also. Get right at it

Be very deliberateas well subtle in what you are trying to accomplish. Hope you got it right. in instruction. There are topical cremes as well. But ambesol I believe would be best bet

Hope it works outwell for your home procedure as planned.
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Alice Pongerwudge - Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:25:36 EST g69ys+yI No.54709 Reply
show pics when it's done
for science

Jail spare tire

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- Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:30:50 EST NCPr88DY No.54699
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So I just go out of jail, did 7 months. First thing I noticed was a little spare tire I was putting on. Basically everytime I eat I feel sick, like im about to throw up. I weigh 170 6' what's wrong with me?
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Fanny Habbleshaw - Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:55:15 EST EdfCkEsB No.54702 Reply
Could be your body has become accustomed to bland/repetitive jail food, and whatever you are having now is irritating or overly rich in comparison.
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Alice Pongerwudge - Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:22:55 EST g69ys+yI No.54707 Reply
you've been inside too long, how much did you weigh when you went in?

try making simple meals like they were giving you, jail food is calculated at 2000 calories per person per day, at a minimum cost, often less that $3 daily in ingredients.

another thing to consider is that everybodys metabolism slows down as we age, so you might just be getting older.

Late stage cancer

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- Fri, 25 Nov 2016 17:03:03 EST Lcv0ii0n No.54611
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My grandma has late stage angiosarcoma in her chest. It was actually caused by the radiation/chemo used to treat an earlier breast cancer a few years ago. We didn't even realize she was so sick until she collapsed at dinner a week ago.

My family is trying to extend her life as long as we can and we're trying a lot of alternative medicines (essential oils, Rick Simpson Oil, CBD oil).

Any advice on dosages or other treatments to try?

Pic related isn't her, but similar bruising.
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Priscilla Crunderket - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:45:29 EST DST/uCXU No.54675 Reply
>>54673
>stupid pothead
fixed
Also, all the things wrong with your post, obscure tripfag.
>ad hominem
>sweeping generalization
>adding more anger to the world
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Priscilla Crunderket - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:46:40 EST DST/uCXU No.54676 Reply
>>54674
I'm with Hunter here. Heroin or morphine is a must at that point.
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John Cummerway - Fri, 20 Jan 2017 00:38:02 EST HEpW8j8o No.54698 Reply
>>54676
A mix of MJ and hopefully hydrmorohone or oxcodone. Morphine from what I see with cancer and other patients they don't like it, feel nauseous in comparison.

Ak=lthough some opiates do break down to morphine.

Heartbeat too hard?

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- Wed, 04 Jan 2017 02:03:59 EST WgEFdgdp No.54649
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Occasionally at night I wake up to my heart just absolutely pounding. It's not beating fast. In fact I'd say the frequency at which it beats is around average. But it is like a sledgehammer. My breath and even my body recoils with each beat. Not like I'm thrashing around in my bed, but if I hold absolutely still and breath slowly, each time my heart beats there is movement and a slight disruption in my breath. And idk, all I can describe it is that my heartbeat is "heavy" like someone is thumping me on the chest hard each time. I can feel the pressure in my neck even.

I'm assuming this is something to be concerned about? again it only happens at night when I'm asleep. The fuck should I do? For the record, I've always had a much higher blood pressure than normal. I've maintained a very strict low-sodium diet since I was 18 (I m currently 26) And while I do drink on occasion, it is not daily or even weekly drinking. I am a smoker, though.

So uh, help? Google says it's palpitations but, you know, I don't trust quick google searches on symptoms.
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Edward Pitthall - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:49:32 EST 4LPLdCby No.54687 Reply
>>54653

well fuck nigga it sounds pretty likely you have legit genetic high blood pressure

you know they make medicine for that? you can delay the stroke like 20-30 years with modern HBP pillz
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Reuben Broffingweg - Thu, 19 Jan 2017 01:03:03 EST asLeE6eh No.54693 Reply
>>54649
I have smoked off and on. Not smoking for a while when I do there are pretty drastic changes. Smokeing does affct the heart, blood pressure. My guess you smoke before going to bed. As doctors say the best thing you can do for your health is quitting smoking. Sort out issues after stopping smoking.
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Alice Pongerwudge - Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:35:36 EST g69ys+yI No.54713 Reply
lay off the coffee

Genitals

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- Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:57:32 EST Cx81FyyN No.54642
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People are being poisoned,infected,numbed,crippled and spotted by the shampoo,beverages and food.
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The Boat - Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:05:29 EST /x5j4wXN No.54643 Reply
>>54642
Hahaha you're the idiot from /tinfoil/!!! I'm glad no one is ever listening to a truly mentally handicapped person like you :)
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Edward Pitthall - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:54:00 EST 4LPLdCby No.54690 Reply
congratulations, you have successfully identified the tip of a massive iceberg

look into: plastics, styrofoam, receipt paper

the rabbit hole is the deepest thing there is

Ciprofloxacin neuropathy

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- Tue, 27 Dec 2016 07:22:45 EST 2Eg1rArA No.54639
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Ache in testicle. Told it was epididimytis. Prescribed citrofloxacin skeptical but took it for 3 days. One leg has gone numb and is tingling and aching intermittently. Read online horror stories of permanent nerve damage, apparently it's unnecessary for anything but severe infections and is wrongly prescribed.

Am I fucked?
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Nicholas Clobberhedging - Tue, 03 Jan 2017 05:28:57 EST TeAZNZ34 No.54648 Reply
>>54639
you should not take that and see a different doctor.
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Edward Pitthall - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:52:34 EST 4LPLdCby No.54689 Reply
sounds like nerve impingement

you gotta investigate if its being impinged by bone or muscle. if muscle, pressure/heat/stretch tight area. if bone, lol surgery which 50/50 might help or give you permanently numb foot

knock knees

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- Wed, 04 Jan 2017 05:29:50 EST fxY8Sj6e No.54652
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Thigh dductors and abductors, what do you stretch and what do you strengthen to stop genu valgum from worsening/preventing injury?

What can be realistically done with the condition in adults aside from surgery? There's so much bullshit on the internet I don't know anymore.
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Edward Pitthall - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:51:12 EST 4LPLdCby No.54688 Reply
post pic of legs from front and back. most important to str adductors and lat. hip rotators like pirif.

Help me 420Chan, you're my only hope.

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- Tue, 10 Jan 2017 00:10:08 EST fGngfrPM No.54665
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Hey there guys, I'm hoping someone with some dermatology experience might exist here. I have always had eczema, but the last month or two, my fingertips started to get really, really bad, worth than ever. They started existing in a permanent state of peeling, itchiness and awfulness. I've been to the doctor three times now. He gave me Elocom cream and Prednisone (which helped for a bit while I was on it, then it came back.) I've been using the steroid cream for a long time and still do but nothing seems to work.

Now what I can only describe as ...speckles appeared on most of my fingertips, my thumbs, parts of my palm, accompanied with a sickly orangish/yellowish undead hue around them. It feels odd and rough to the touch, and I have less feeling in my fingertips and it's itchy but it hurts to scratch. The doctor is referring me to a dermatologist, but in my town, it could be a long time before I see one. It's just worrying me that the steroids didn't fix it. I can't find any images online that look enough like it to satisfy me. All the eczema and psoriasis "bumps" are white, or bigger, these are like..tiny speckles accompanied with redness and peeling. You can actually see the line where my normal skin starts underneath. I've been using a lot of moisturizer too on the doc's suggestion along with the elocom cream. They don't hurt when I touch it, feels scaly and the ones near my finger joints make it feel tough to curl my fingers, stiff like.

Anyone have any idea what this is? I'll post a few pics.
Thanks guys,
  • a worried stoner.
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Phoebe Hullersurk - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 00:12:38 EST fGngfrPM No.54667 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Phoebe Hullersurk - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 00:13:51 EST fGngfrPM No.54668 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Edward Pitthall - Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:41:27 EST 4LPLdCby No.54684 Reply
my first thought on seeing these images is bone or joint, not skin. there's no joint at the tip of the finger, so... bone? does it hurt to moderately tap the tip of your finger against a hard surface? squished the finger recently? also possible gout

Loss of sensation in Penis after Appendectomy

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- Thu, 05 Jan 2017 15:44:09 EST gF6N4Ylr No.54655
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Hello /med/

About a month and a half ago, I had to have my appendix taken out. Since recovering from the surgery, I have noticed that the head of my penis is a lot less sensitive than it was previously. Is this normal, will the sensation return, and is there anything a urologist could do anything about?

Thanks for reading.
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Ernest Bashwill - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 14:09:17 EST T0xJgO21 No.54663 Reply
I don't think that's a symptom of general anesthesia, so there's only one logical explanation. While you were under, the doctors and nurses took turns sucking you off, then took a power sander to your junk.

supplements. amphetamine. depression.

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- Sat, 03 Dec 2016 15:41:31 EST GW4vAKOA No.54615
File: 1480797691053.jpg -(467702B / 456.74KB, 417x600) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. supplements. amphetamine. depression.
Do these supplements actually do anything? Tell me what to cut.

N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine - 500mg
L-Phenylaline - 1000mg
CoQ 10 - 200mg
Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) - 1120mg
Elcosapentenoic Acid (EPA) - 130mg
Uridine Monophosphate - 250mg
Niacin - 400mg
Inositol - 100mg
B-12 - 2mg
B vitamin complex
Multivitamin
Green tea extract (45% EGCG)
Magnesium oxide - 1000mg
N-Acetyl L-Carnitine - 500mg
Taurine - 2000mg
L-Theanine 500mg
Citicoline 500mg

Paroxetine 30mg prescribed by my doctor for depression

I'm an amphetamine user by the way. Not daily but 3-4 times a week.

My diet is shit.
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Polly Dollertet - Sat, 10 Dec 2016 19:30:29 EST jeJbP56G No.54623 Reply
>CoQ 10 - 200mg
Cut it.
>Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) - 1120mg, Elcosapentenoic Acid (EPA) - 130mg
May be just some fish oil instead, it's cheaper and still good.
>Uridine Monophosphate - 250mg
Not nessessary and thus useless.
>Niacin - 400mg
That's TOO MUCH. I'd left no more than 100 mg.
>Niacin - 400mg, B-12 - 2mg, B vitamin complex, Multivitamin
That's too much vitamines in total, so cut them to the daily common dose.
>Magnesium oxide - 1000mg
You'd rather eat citrate otherwise it's pretty useless.
>Taurine - 2000mg
U S E L E S S.

Why don't you take a look at some atypical antipsychotics that may be even activating?
>Amisulpride function primarily as a D2 and D3 receptor antagonist. It has high affinity for these receptors with dissociation constants of 2.2 nM and 2.4 nM, respectively. Although standard doses used to treat psychosis inhibit dopaminergic neurotransmission, low doses preferentially block inhibitory pre-synaptic autoreceptors. This results in a facilitation of dopamine activity, and for this reason, low dose amisulpride has also been used to treat dysthymia.
50 mg per day may be a good augmentation.
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Clara Porringbick - Mon, 12 Dec 2016 21:48:23 EST azYgUqMW No.54626 Reply
>>54615
eat well and you wont need this shit. even a mc donalds hamburguer has that CoQ.
most stuff is for people who cant eat or wont eat like drunkards
just keep up healthy eating and your depression meds
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Hugh Soblingchug - Mon, 02 Jan 2017 03:22:41 EST VQxNAg+6 No.54645 Reply
> DHA/EPA
Cut these and eat a tin of sardines every day (or most days) if possible. Fish oil doesn't really work that well compared to real fish.

>Multivitamin
Worthless, cut it. Literally nobody ever benefits from a multivitamin. If you're deficient in something supplement that specific thing.

>Magnesium Oxide
Go for Magnesium Glycinate instead. Lots of people recommend Doctor's Best brand.

>B-12 and a B-complex
Why are you taking these? Does the b-complex include b-12? 2 milligrams of b-12 is a thousand times more than you need anyway, so I'd cut the b-12 or possibly only take it once a week at the most.

And try finding ways to improve your diet. Fermented/pickled vegetables like in sauerkraut and kimchi are delicious (to me, at least) and don't take any time to prepare. (They can be expensive, but so is buying a shitload of supplements all the time.)

>>54626
Do you even know what most of these supplements are for? And you don't get significant amounts of many of them from even the best diet (for example, drinking even large amounts of green tea does NOT have the same effect as taking green tea extract and l-theanine).

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