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UFC signs deal with ESPN for ESPN+ Platform

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- Tue, 08 May 2018 10:28:19 EST aN11/Grv No.58034
File: 1525789699735.jpg -(17281B / 16.88KB, 660x400) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. UFC signs deal with ESPN for ESPN+ Platform
http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/23440573/ufc-espn+-reach-multiyear-media-rights-agreement

Well, this is certainly interesting. Deal takes affect starting January 2019 when UFC's old 8-year deal with Fox from 2011 runs out.
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Dustin Hazelett - Thu, 10 May 2018 05:42:12 EST aN11/Grv No.58036 Reply
Per Dave Meltzer:

>ESPN+ will be able to put up all UFC events from 1993 to 2018 up for archives. From 2018 on, they will be able to add their events, but not the events from another partner, nor PPV events, which Fight Pass will have. ESPN+ also won’t have access to the non-Fight Pass library of boxing, kickboxing and other MMA promotions like Pride, Strikeforce and WEC.

So it sounds like ESPN+ users will get a giant UFC archive with their sub at no extra cost. Fight Pass isn't completely dicked, though, as it will still have its own exclusive UFC events, as well as all of the non-UFC events it carries. Fight PAss will also still have exclusive archives of PRIDE and the other promotions UFC absorbed in the past, so no PRIDE NEVER DIE for ESPN+ users.

Meltzer also said the deal is $150 million per year for 15 events, making out for roughly $10 million paid for event, which is more than almost all UFC PPV's pull in buys except for the few mega cards. Meltzer speculates this might cause for less PPV's in 2019 in lieu of these ESPN+ events taking over for some old PPV slots, which means these ESPN+ events will likely be closer to PPV cards in terms of quality and title fights as opposed to FS1 and Fight Night exclusive snorefests.
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Jorge Santiago - Wed, 23 May 2018 10:26:41 EST iQgqpYL4 No.58043 Reply
>>58042

Yep, just saw the headline on ESPN.com. I wonder how this much spending will affect the rest of the network since cord-cutting and the crippling NFL deal have really bit them in the ass as of late.

History of Techniques

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- Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:41:40 EST vnohrc/6 No.58009
File: 1522334500211.gif -(3751980B / 3.58MB, 222x200) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. History of Techniques
I was watching a Texan pro wrestling match from the 1950s and this flappy boi pulls out what kinda looks like a prototype crucifix armbar/cross armbreaker. I've long considered it an "MMA" move and presumed it's innovation, or at popularization & appropriation by exhibitionists, was relatively recent (probably Brazilian). Now I'm wondering just how deep the rabbit hole goes.

What's the origin of the armbar, /mma/? What about other common maneuvers? Any especially interesting timelines that've been taken for granted & forgotten?
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Hidehiko Yoshida - Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:38:39 EST dxQ7a5I7 No.58011 Reply
>>58009
AFAIK it's a Judo move. BJJ had a lot of Judo in its inception, the Japanese master who taught jujitsu to the Gracie patriarch was a member of the Kokodan.
Judo goes back to 1882, the arm-bar may be in Japanese jujitsu before that, and there's probably variations native to the catch-wrestling that pro-wrestling devolved from, as well as sombo, pancration, and any other country's martial arts and sports that explored submission-based groundwork.
Like Bruce Lee said, “I personally do not believe in the word style. Why? Because, unless there are human beings with three arms and four legs, unless we have another group of human beings that are structurally different from us, there can be no different style of fighting.”
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Junior Dos Santos - Wed, 09 May 2018 06:26:52 EST Rge49gpP No.58035 Reply
Pro wrestling as entertainment is based on the rules and techniques of the Combat sport called catch wrestling. Catch wrestling is what pro wrestling was when it was real.

It is oldest known to be a mishmash of European styles of local wrestling from throughout Scotland, Wales, and England, etc. both during that period and after there was a lot of cross pollination between styles as guys travelled through other countries from the Middle and Far East.

This kinda looks like a nonsense concession hold but the cross arm bar is a staple of all grappling arts as far back as you can go. It was often taught in localized Japanese systems of jiujitsu which have never been syllabized. Catch wrestling was also never syllabised which is why it almost nearly died out and has a murky history while judo and bjj flourished.

Bjj and judo are seperate martial arts which were separately syllabised from the common ancestor of Kano Jiujitsu, which was a collection of techniques encompassing ground grappling and throwing.

Might be interesting for you to know that the heel hook technique you see in pro wrestling or MMA is a native technique to the martial art of pro wrestling. You can still see the evidence in the name of the technique (“hook”, meaning incapacitating grappling technique, as by joint damage etc, old pro wrestling term). There are some other techniques with cross over terms between catch wrestling or pro wrestling as a martial art, and modern bjj or judo, where the techniques are the same or very similar but have seperate origins and names. Here’s some pro wrestling technique names and their modern title:

Sleeper = rear naked choke
Abdominal stretch = cobra twist = the twister
Front headlock = guillotine choke
Double wrist lock = Kimura lock
Cravat = baseballbat choke
Top wrist lock = Americana

There’s a bunch more.

In addition there are many techniques in catch wrestling which you still see today like the stf which many pro wrestling fans don’t realise are real applicable techniques in modern grappling.
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Duane Ludwig - Sat, 12 May 2018 07:31:41 EST xfsaelmX No.58040 Reply
>>58009
>What's the origin of the armbar, /mma/?
This is a better question for /his/

Short answer - Armbars are as old as arms.

Skinny Boxer

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- Mon, 28 Aug 2017 04:31:53 EST n8L/swSe No.57923
File: 1503909113127.png -(736975B / 719.70KB, 1024x1325) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Skinny Boxer
I'm a skinny, 110lb 5'10 motherfucker who wants to learn how to box. Is there any point while I'm this skinny? Do I need to load on weight before I can start training? Also, do you generally go to a boxing teacher or is it something that they offer at gyms? I have amazing reaction times and have been told I can actually deliver a somewhat formidable punch, but I'm wondering if it's not gonna mean anything if I have to use my boxing skills on someone bigger than me. Any tips or general advice for someone looking to get into it?
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Tyson Griffin - Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:54:11 EST w+FGDv0a No.57989 Reply
>>57923 I do box too and some of the better boxers of the gym are so fuckin thin and fast they scare the shit out of most of noobs. You should try it its great, its not a matter of weigh, just precision and power
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Karo Parisyan - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 04:57:07 EST prphjPSY No.58027 Reply
>>58012
The part about aligning your wrist to hit with the three smaller knuckles is gold. Try a wall push-up using that as your contact surface and you'll feel it.


Sup /mma/

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- Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:15:28 EST Io74PdUa No.58022
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What are MMA Phil's odds in his next fight? What do you think he'll do if he gets fucking murdered again?

State of UFC; McGregor is for casuals, deserves to be stripped of titles

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- Wed, 14 Feb 2018 05:19:45 EST 4+OemBtb No.57990
File: 1518603585323.gif -(1615775B / 1.54MB, 480x264) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. State of UFC; McGregor is for casuals, deserves to be stripped of titles
Why the fuck has this dude not had to defend yet? Makes UFCS so degraded to be giving McGregor such a massive push just for the publicity he garners. I want Diaz to fuck him up again or let him be stripped of the belts and leave already.
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Dan Severn - Sat, 07 Apr 2018 19:21:06 EST MsJtnDMg No.58018 Reply
>TFW Connor, to quote Ernie Ladd, Dumbed himself outta position.

Wacky Irishman was probably fulla whiskey.
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Georges St-Pierre - Sat, 07 Apr 2018 23:57:29 EST 0tJR3wea No.58019 Reply
>>58018

Nah, he has coke money now. He's probably coked up at least 12 hours a day now.
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Phil Davis - Sun, 08 Apr 2018 11:25:25 EST NALQuK7O No.58020 Reply
>>58019
The shit he pulled in Bellator certainly looked like he was spending his days diving into a giant pile of cocaine like a gopher.

Shitter's broke

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- Fri, 08 Dec 2017 01:55:29 EST Gtc8JjWb No.57966
File: 1512716129881.jpg -(55497B / 54.20KB, 620x413) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Shitter's broke
https://www.f4wonline.com/ufc-news/georges-st-pierre-drops-ufc-middleweight-title-247591

Welp, so much for GSP-Whitaker.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:41:49 EST Q9GWBZm5 No.57971 Reply
It was not a matter of if GSP can stay healthy, it was a matter of when he’d no longer be healthy and drop the title.

Ok Fowlkes

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- Fri, 22 Sep 2017 03:34:22 EST mpINBVh4 No.57938
File: 1506065662246.jpg -(62395B / 60.93KB, 404x594) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Ok Fowlkes
How do we feel about Ben Fowlkes? Or any Of the "so called /mms media. Talking shit, Pussy foot bjj faggotry, and just plain and simple pandering.

But I want to know your thoughts. Seems nice enough
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Sergei Kharitonov - Sun, 01 Oct 2017 19:40:19 EST Wdf5U5yQ No.57940 Reply
Is he one of the faggots who writes articles with twitter screenshots as a source?
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Luke Rockhold - Mon, 02 Oct 2017 02:44:51 EST mpINBVh4 No.57941 Reply
Yeah, he's a big shit talking ass faggot. Kinda like a lot of the fools on this site. Big vocabulary and small ideas.
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Irgor Vovchanchyn - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:42:39 EST q/jt6e86 No.57962 Reply
>>57938
I listen to the CME podcast. pretty funny at times. what can i say, i like the guy.


Waster/sparring swords advice.

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- Sat, 21 Oct 2017 03:36:20 EST ou6mTjlB No.57953
File: 1508571380320.jpg -(13153B / 12.84KB, 350x313) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Waster/sparring swords advice.
Can you guys give me advice in choosing a good waster wooden sword?
I bought one but i don't trust pine wood (also don't know much about swords or sparring), and i wanted to buy one for a friend (not too expensive) and maybe take some sparring lessons.
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Yves Edwards - Sat, 21 Oct 2017 03:41:06 EST ou6mTjlB No.57954 Reply
Wrong board, i should have posted in weapons.

Chinese Martial Arts

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- Sat, 06 Dec 2014 22:15:41 EST KbFo5A51 No.54759
File: 1417922141660.jpg -(570615B / 557.24KB, 2064x1718) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Chinese Martial Arts
Hi guys. This isn't strictly MMA related, but do we have any experienced CMA guys on here? I've been doing Tai Chi for a few years and love it, I love doing the forms and the push hands and everything.
To make it more MMA related, why do you think we don't see more Sanda champions in UFC?
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Giant Silva - Sun, 11 Jun 2017 02:03:12 EST Af3B9fmB No.57770 Reply
>>54856
...Did you really just link to fucking Jake Mace as an example of 'real' Kung Fu?
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Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:05:05 EST 1S0evz47 No.57932 Reply
>>54857
THIS.

I carry one baseball and one softball bat around with me at all times: My right and left shins, respectively.

It hurt so fucking much, but thank you teenage self. If only flexibility lasted too.
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Marius Zaromskis - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:28:05 EST kcFBPVmr No.57952 Reply
>>57932
Do you condition them by just kicking the bag heavy without pads a lot or what?

seizures during fights?

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- Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:58:29 EST JEjjj/Ks No.57937
File: 1506045509385.png -(253369B / 247.43KB, 500x500) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. seizures during fights?
So I watch A LOT of street fight videos online. There are many videos where one of the fighters will get knocked out and have a seizure. Without fail, countless people in the comment section of these fights say things like "oh he's dead" or "when they seize, that means there is severe brain damage!". My question is this.....is it normal for someone who is knocked out to experience a seizure? Is it a sure indication that some REAL damage has occurred, or do people just seize sometimes when they get knocked out, and get back up again minutes later just fine?
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Nick Diaz - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:12:22 EST Riog4cJg No.57942 Reply
Full body convulsions maybe. That's your brain being properly scrambled. Just being out can be either probably.
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Melvin Manhoef - Sun, 08 Oct 2017 02:21:26 EST lRU1tK97 No.57943 Reply
A kid at a school I went to for a year of HS had this happen in a fight. He got hit with the first punch right in the temple, fell, convulsed and died an hour later. The kid that fought him got a manslaughter charge. I don't know the how and why of it other than the brain is sensitive but I know it happens.
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Evan Dunham - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:48:59 EST iNRvwfyh No.57947 Reply
I'd like to think hitting your head on concrete in a lot of these cases can play a factor. Even MMA rings have some give to them

Make it happen

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- Tue, 19 Sep 2017 02:35:45 EST r0uLYntk No.57935
File: 1505802945400.jpg -(119649B / 116.84KB, 1280x800) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Make it happen
Charlie Zelenoff vs Jason Genova superfight when?
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:42:26 EST AlHoPiWe No.57936 Reply
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>>57935
never, everyone knows any of the misfits would beat up Zelenoff

Girlie low blow.

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- Wed, 16 Nov 2016 02:15:34 EST ylYa8Aze No.57580
File: 1479280534544.jpg -(151249B / 147.70KB, 600x400) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Girlie low blow.
Call it what you want. Call it a gash smash, a clam slam, a cunt punt. Will a girl fight ever be stopped for a slot shot?
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Yves Jabouin - Sun, 27 Aug 2017 14:18:25 EST BpdvMhyR No.57918 Reply
>>57914

>clueless virgins

This combined with having the internet raise them on anything related to sex.
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Chael Sonnen - Sun, 27 Aug 2017 22:32:05 EST ++tDEzsS No.57921 Reply
>>57584
That's why you can't fight if you have breast implants
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DaMarques Johnson - Fri, 08 Sep 2017 16:04:34 EST 0hnEkGHN No.57931 Reply
>>57918

Before the internet, up to half of rural boys had their first sexual experience with an animal.

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