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The Orville....Oh the awful Orville... by John Crichton - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 18:51:08 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388063 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Just saw The Orville pilot.

Will someone just shoot McFarlene now and put us out of his misery?
Holy shit was that bad.
Who greenlit this?
Does anyone like this steaming turd?
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Will Smith - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:51:25 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.388067 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I thought it was alright. A few funny moments. A lot of it actually kinda felt like Trek.
But from the previews after the episode it looks like it's just gonna get better.
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Skandar Keynes - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:56:59 EST ID:OxkMjyV3 No.388068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Stan as the captain
Steve as the pilot
Haley as the voice of the ship

All we need is Francine and Klaus

It was ok, I'll keep watching in hopes that it gets better as we get more accustomed to the characters. I hope Norm wasn't a one time cameo.
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Mr. Bean - Mon, 11 Sep 2017 19:59:07 EST ID:vAA7SLoW No.388069 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388063

>Who greenlit this?

Fox did because they are slaves to Seth MacFarlane.

>Does anyone like this steaming turd?

Seth MacFarlane does.

But yeah, I'm not really sure who the intended audience for "Seth MacFarlane dresses up as Captain Kirk for an hour of bad Star Trek without the Star Trek license" is other than Seth MacFarlane himself. It's incredible that this show isn't even a parody or a farce and instead is a playing-it-straight drama.
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Sherlock Holmes - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 00:44:35 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388091 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388069
>But yeah, I'm not really sure who the intended audience for "Seth MacFarlane dresses up as Captain Kirk for an hour of bad Star Trek without the Star Trek license" is other than Seth MacFarlane himself. It's incredible that this show isn't even a parody or a farce and instead is a playing-it-straight drama.


Exactly! It is like Seth got Fox to pay for the most elaborate non-copyright infringing cosplay ever....

There is so much possible material for comedy that he just ignores. And the dialogue is shit. Who the hell just starts talking to his new crew about, "Oh, you are from that race which...*insert some stereotype here*." Picard didn't just waltz up to Worf and go, "So, Klingons...you guys are total war mongering worm eaters, am I right?"

This post was edited by C_Higgy on 12-09-2017 11:18:59
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Eddard Stark - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 08:02:36 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.388110 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388069
It's not totally playing it straight, they're obviously trying to make it funny. I'd almost prefer if they didn't tbh; Seth's idea of witty repartee is painful.
Oh and his character's constant going on about how flying an exploratory vessel is the thing he's waited his whole life for ... I mean that was Seth trying to reassure viewers that he's going to do a good job of it, right? I figure he thinks his idea of how ST should be done, with this weak comic bullshit, is more faithful than the other versions people (who actually have the license) are coming out with.
I didn't dislike the episode, I just figure he could spend less time reassuring people he's going to do a good job and more actually doing a good job. For example, those few lines could have been replaced with something that actually adds to his character's motivations in a way more complex than "Me want fly big spaceship!".

This post was edited by C_Higgy on 12-09-2017 11:15:34
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Shinichi Mechazawa - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 09:11:24 EST ID:H8wdw5bt No.388111 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Seth makes Fox a gajillions of dollars with Family Guy so I understand why they would let him do what he wants.
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Joyce Summers - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 09:36:31 EST ID:V5b861ym No.388112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Haven't watched it, but the joke the chose to show off in the trailer was a toilet-seat-up-vs-down joke. I wouldn't be surprised if it was full of airline-peanut jokes, or maybe whiteguys-be-like-this jokes.
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Aeryn Sun - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:04:47 EST ID:kVUm+SiJ No.388118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's such a bizarre show. Like a knock-off TNG that tries to be funny without going full comedy like Other Space. Like it really feels like a TNG episode with some jokes thrown in and "real people" instead of idealistic characters. I'm definitely gonna keep watching for now but not sure how long this will last.

>>388110
I think it was more Seth saying making a Star Trek show really has been his dream. The dude was a legit fan of Trek, appeared in an episode of Enterprise and befriended the cast of TNG via Family Guy and American Dad, and Brannon Braga through the Cosmos reboot. One of the main reasons he wanted Fox to make this show is because there isn't any light episodic scifi being made right now, and he missed it.
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Sherlock Holmes - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:33:09 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just finished watching all of Stargate Atlantis and am starting Stargate (TOS). And honestly, the Stargate franchise does "serious, yet also funny at times," FAR better. Especially with the O'Neill and Teal'c characters.

The Orville feels like...I dunno...like someone designed a Star Trek ripoff and then some Hollywood producer type said, "Well, Sci-fi isn't gonna sell this year, so we need to make this a comedy," and had the writers throw in some shitty jokes.

And yeah, the joke about the single gendered species and toilet seats was lame as shit and looked like they went with the first joke that popped into someone's head. Even today that joke feels dated and old. It's like, HEY GUYS! MEN AND WOMEN HAVE DIFFERENCES! LOL! Instead, they could have flipped it and I dunno had the single gendered alien species be freaked or clueless about gender...maybe make him stand in for old homophobic attitudes...I would think two sexes would be freaky as fuck to a single gender creature...a lot to work with there that doesn't just fall back on Seth making jokes from 1975...
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Eddard Stark - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 14:31:29 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.388126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388118
You think it's more that than what? That's exactly what I was talking about and criticising.
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Rickety Cricket - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:06:35 EST ID:yqWTKSl1 No.388129 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Saw the trailer. Not going to watch it because it looks like crap. Galaxy Quest did the star trek parody well enough.
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Katniss Everdeen - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 21:28:34 EST ID:KfsRhk7F No.388141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388122
>The Orville feels like...I dunno...like someone designed a Star Trek ripoff and then some Hollywood producer type said, "Well, Sci-fi isn't gonna sell this year, so we need to make this a comedy," and had the writers throw in some shitty jokes.
that's what I'm getting out of this. he seems legitimately passionate about star trek but the orville seems almost passionless.
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Shôtarô Kaneda - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 23:40:10 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388141
Which is weird since we are getting some new Trek this year. That sort of makes this mess even worse.
Shit, Seth, you could have probably pulled every string you have and landed a small recurring role on the new Trek show and played a real Trek captain. "Oh, here is the *insert inspiring name here* and her captain Brian Griffin!" That is a cool cameo thing to have.

Instead...man...he just kind of wasted a lot of time and money making something that is neither here nor there genre-wise and just sits on the screen like a fresh turd. Not even an exciting turd. A very ordinary one that nobody would ever care about.
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Jery Ryan - Tue, 12 Sep 2017 23:55:18 EST ID:2qNVn64P No.388149 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388129

galaxy quest is fuckin awesome
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:13:30 EST ID:pf01cnSU No.388162 Report Quick Reply
It's interesting to compare the reactions to The Orville on here versus /1701/ >>>/1701/59221. More of a mixed reaction there than overwhelmingly negative here. It's the first episode anyways, this kind of stuff is to be expected. Me personally, it was okay but it wasn't anything special other than the scene after the Krill ship belw up and they debated what Ed should have said instead of Happy Arbor Day
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Natsu Dragneel - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:25:29 EST ID:YKwW4IYR No.388163 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388063
Liked it
Some jokes were weak but overall I enjoyed myself, don't care about the characters but I had a pretty good time enjoying the story. It's just the first episode christ on the cross people remember Incident at Farpoint? Not too great of a start for TNG either (actually I like that ep but shutup) I'm willing to watch this over Star Trek: Dickscoveredinbees
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Lil DeVille - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:39:40 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.388172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388162
That just made me feel contempt for Americans not knowing what arbour means. At least that's the implication, that it's a word nobody understands.
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Jack Harkness - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 20:58:43 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388187 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388172
"Arbor," you queen loving tea guzzler!
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Bob Saget - Wed, 13 Sep 2017 22:45:35 EST ID:V5b861ym No.388191 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388162

It's motivated reasoning. /1701/ is so focused on hating Discovery that they want to believe that even something this bad is doing a better job.
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Adam DeMamp - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 00:17:07 EST ID:KcCtcMMx No.388195 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388191
This is a really reductive stance. The reactions are more leveled because this feels more like Trek and every indication we've seen from DIS feels like it lacks the the same spirit and love of the universe
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Adam DeMamp - Thu, 14 Sep 2017 00:18:27 EST ID:KcCtcMMx No.388196 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388195
but you're right, it's still motivated reasoning because people want something that actually feels kinda like Trek
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Jane Badler - Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:09:08 EST ID:OxkMjyV3 No.388374 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Watching this new episode to see if it got better and it's still super weird. The commercials made it look like a fun slapstick but aside from a few random jones it leans almost more towards drama or something. I'll be shocked if this gets more episodes.
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Thick McRunfast - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 00:27:35 EST ID:Gqvjymb8 No.388376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388196
The latest ep felt a lot like trek. As a Trekkie I really enjoyed it. My hopes were that they'd get less into the poop jokes and more into trek drama and that was basically an archetypal trek episode. I wouldn't be surprised if this gets renewed if Star Trek Discovery bombs as hard as it seems like it will and fans keep watching this.
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Shredder - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 00:58:53 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.388379 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388376
meant to reply to >>388374
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Dr. Dick Solomon - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 03:35:42 EST ID:kVUm+SiJ No.388381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388376
same. as a trekkie this episode gave me a really warm nostalgic feeling, like I was watching a new episode of TNG. It really just plays like a knock-off of the TNG/DS9/VOY era in the best way possible. and I'm loving the practical effects/make-up so far.

Plus they drink real alcohol instead of synthehol and get edibles from the replicators. it's a true utopia.
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Erik Lehnsherr - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:06:44 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.388388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Doesn't Alara look noticeably different in this episode?
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Erik Lehnsherr - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:12:42 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.388390 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Oh. Right. Eyebrows.
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Heisenberg - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 16:04:02 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OK, I am halfwayish through ep2.

And I am mad as hell...

Thing is, when he isn't doing his weird Star Trek cosplay thing, or stupid poop jokes, McFarlene can do some decent dialog and hit on some interesting ideas. Example - Alara fucking up. Historically, sci-fi shows like this have very few instances of characters fucking up and having true self doubt. I dunno...Alara's panic rang a bit more true than what you would see if any Trek franchise addressed it.

I dunno, I just feel like, maybe there is a good show in there...but the faux-Trek and the stilted jokes are getting in the way. If it was more like The Expanse...grittier a bit, and had more of those human failings that McFarlene is sort of best at, then I think you'd have something far better.

I'd also be interested to see an actual story arc instead of TOS style episodes.

This post was edited by C_Higgy on 18-09-2017 16:52:47
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Heisenberg - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 17:21:15 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388412 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388408
FUCK! Apologies for the fucked up spoiler! Fuckinty fuck fuck! I suck!
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Simon Bellamy - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 21:23:59 EST ID:YKwW4IYR No.388420 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I like how all the Trekkies almost universally like this and everyone else is complaining about the lame jokes. It's not like they're cracking jokes all the time or anything, it's more like an awkward new captain who's nervous and tries to use humor unsuccessfully, maybe some people can't look past the fact that its Seth McFarlane?
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Amuro Ray - Mon, 18 Sep 2017 23:11:36 EST ID:0onxplEa No.388421 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388420
i'm a trekkie and i still see this turd purely as a macfarlane vanity project. as a comedy it isn't funny, and I just think my fellow trek nerds that are saying it "feels like trek" are just so desperate for any new content that even remotely feels like the old series that they'll buy into whatever cheap vaguely trek-like facade they plaster onto this uninspired writing. it doesn't explore or expand upon any of the ideas that made star trek special and feel the way it did, at least not from what i've seen so far.

if galaxy quest were done with less genuine love for star trek and a dullard's understanding of what star trek is really about, this show would be it.
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Butt-head - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 00:24:28 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388422 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388420
>maybe some people can't look past the fact that its Seth McFarlane?

Naw man, his delivery on a lot of those jokes is awful. Just stilted and awkward. And not in the funny way. Just bad.

He has some potential. The fights between him and Kelly seem kinda good. The chemistry is there. Otherwise he just seems like a buffoon with an asshole best friend. Is Scott Grimes ever not playing a total prick? Ever?
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Troy McClure - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 01:56:29 EST ID:kVUm+SiJ No.388424 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388422
Yeah I actually like it so far but think it would be better if Macfarlane had cast someone else as the captain. Ive never liked him much as an actor though, he stoof out in a bad way in Logan Lucky too
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Jaime Sommers - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 04:06:12 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.388426 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388421
>Macfarlane vanity project

That seems a bit retarded tbh, not sure what your thought process is there, if there is one. Why would he make a star trek fan production as a vanity project? There are a million things that he could do besides make a crappy knock off star trek show that would showcase himself much better. He can do pretty much anything and make money and get acclaim. Creating this show doesn't guarantee anything for him at all.

There is legitimate passion and love for star trek in there and that's what a lot of us trekkies are seeing. The first episode was meh, but the second episode was legitimately good.

>desperate
Speak for yourself.

>>388422
A lot of the jokes miss the mark, but thankfully the trailer was misleading and the show isn't all about the jokes.
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Butt-head - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:00:36 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388426
>There are a million things that he could do besides make a crappy knock off star trek show that would showcase himself much better. He can do pretty much anything and make money and get acclaim. Creating this show doesn't guarantee anything for him at all.


And yet, here we are....
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Kristen Cloke - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:33:36 EST ID:J2nxIdks No.388447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well it was an improvement from last week being more focused on the action and Alara dealing with carrying the burden of responsibility of being commanding officer. I don't mind Seth as Ed though they could have cast someone else as Kelly.
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Dr. Miles Bennell - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:14:14 EST ID:hsWPD+dx No.388453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388426
>Why would he make a star trek fan production as a vanity project?

Because he always wanted to? why do you think star trek references pop up in all his shows? why do you think patrick stewart plays such a huge role in the macfarlane universe? i mean there was a family guy episode where stewie beamed in all the actors from next generation and had to cheafuer them around town.

Macfarlane is a HUGE star trek fan, he made his own star wars and now hes making his own star trek, if it fails, so be it, its something that he wanted to do, its not so much his vanity project, its his passion project.
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Butt-head - Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:39:44 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388447
I dunno about Seth as Ed. I mean...I dunno...it always feels like he isn't acting, so much as Playing Seth McFarlene. This is just kind of like Brian in Space, not Great-Potential-Starship-Commander Guy. It could be more interesting if he wasn't always riffing on pop culture. Jesus fuck, it is 150 or whatever years into the future, Nobody is going to remember Real Housewives of Cuntistan or any other Reality TV series. It sort of jars you out of the moment.

And can we just kill Scott Grimes...
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Kenshiro - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:35:51 EST ID:vAA7SLoW No.388480 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388453

To be fair, putting himself into the role of the Captain pretty much solidifies it as a vanity project. He can still be passionate about it, but he's still just jerking himself off.
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Donald Draper - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:30:00 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388480
Yeah, this. You can't plop yourself in as the star and have it not be a vanity project. You are basically saying, "Only I, the CREATOR, am skilled enough to play THIS role!"
There are certainly people out there who could have delivered the comedic lines better! He tells jokes like someone's dad does. In all of LA, they couldn't find some guy who can do a better job telling alien poop jokes?
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Lindsey Wagner - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:40:10 EST ID:W+gh24/o No.388499 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388480
So what, idgaf

I'd do the same thing if I could

People just seem to be butthurt that it's him that can do it, and not someone else
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Bill Cosby - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:45:20 EST ID:ePw6/ZuO No.388500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388499
>People just seem to be butthurt that it's him that can do it, and not someone else
Yeah, that tends to happen when talentless hacks gets into these sorts of positions.
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Lindsey Wagner - Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:34:00 EST ID:W+gh24/o No.388501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388500
Where did he touch you? Don't watch the show if you don't like it. Nobody cares.
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Riley Freeman - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 00:03:29 EST ID:0LHDcGgb No.388524 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388501
>Nobody cares

Apparently you do, at least enough to comment twice to the point of sucking Seth Macfarlane's dick about it.
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Jane Fonda - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 00:15:37 EST ID:W+gh24/o No.388525 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388524
The point is quit shitposting in a thread about a show you're not gonna watch and move on with your life. I don't go and post in all the threads about shows that I don't watch because I don't care to.
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Jessica 6 - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 03:35:22 EST ID:hsWPD+dx No.388531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388480

im not sure if you have noticed this yet, but seth pretty much always plays the main character in every show he creates, with cleveland show being the exception.

It isnt any more vain then when he voices peter or stewie or brian or stan or roger etc etc etc etc.
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Bialar Crais - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 04:42:54 EST ID:vAA7SLoW No.388536 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388531

True, but this show is literally him living out his dream of being Kirk and/or Picard. Good on him for having that clout, but again, it's still just Seth MacFarlane jacking himself off on network TV.
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Jery Ryan - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 09:54:49 EST ID:RoJKB15f No.388555 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Got around to watching The Orville finally, and I don't think I'm gonna keep up with it. The zoo in episode 2 was a perfect setup for a bunch of gags with crowds of aliens laughing and awwing at McFarlane and his ex wife acting like a cliched sitcom couple, but instead they just went for a bunch of references at the end. Lame.
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Neil Schweiber - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 12:36:12 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388556 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388531
>im not sure if you have noticed this yet, but seth pretty much always plays the main character in every show he creates

That seems to be the problem here. We have SEEN this character before. You just cut out parts of those characters you listed, and you get Ed. I don't get the feeling the Ed is anything more than some bits and pieces of other, literally two dimensional, characters.

Ed needs to be different. I feel like the premise is good...a down-on-his-luck a bit character who can rise to the occasion...but the execution is just Brian Runs A Spaceship.

Thing is, I WANT to like this series. I am giving it a chance. But damn, does Seth make it hard.
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Jery Ryan - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 12:43:38 EST ID:RoJKB15f No.388557 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388556
I watched both episodes and didn't know the character's name was Ed. Now that I think of it, I can't remember the name of a single character on the show.
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Jamie Lannister - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:29:14 EST ID:KcCtcMMx No.388562 Ignore Report Quick Reply
just saw the first episode, it was aight. I'm willing to give it a chance at least
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Rob Reiner - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:41:07 EST ID:knySLok7 No.388564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388500
Talk more about what an untalented hack McFarlane is. Meanwhile he hates doing Family Guy more than you hate watching it.
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Bialar Crais - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:18:31 EST ID:vAA7SLoW No.388565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388564

Nobody's paying you to suck his dick.
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Ornella Muti - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:48:41 EST ID:4KxDPkvC No.388569 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388565
I'll chuck a couple bucks towards that sight
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Lalla Ward - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:52:16 EST ID:XTMp7Ard No.388570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388500

Man, it must suck knowing that someone less talented than you is a trillion times more accomplished.
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Master Shake-Zula - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:37:42 EST ID:9sSGRatt No.388576 Ignore Report Quick Reply
LOL everyone ripping on MacFarlane over The Orville on this board.

Everyone on /1701/ has been ripping on Discovery for so long that when The Orville comes along looking more like Star Trek ready to look favorably on it.

Episode 2 is pretty good. It pulls a perfect bait and switch pretending to do a plot about dumbass sitcommy junk and then it turns out it was a hologram trap and we're in a Star Trek episode

But at least one of us and possibly only one of us has a massive hate hard-on for everything MacFarlane ever touched and doesn't give a shit and will project that hard-on onto anybody who finds it distasteful that they're being a huge faggot.
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Xena - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 18:34:22 EST ID:0onxplEa No.388581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388570
some hacky animated sitcoms, minorly successful comedy films, and an elaborate Trek cosplay on Fox don't really make you "accomplished," kiddo. The dude's certainly richer than I'll ever be though.

Anyway I really want to elevate this beyond "is MacFarlane an assclown or not" and discuss more what his effect on the show is. Cause currently I totally don't get why other Star Trek fans are enjoying this. This is probably gonna get ranty but here's how best I can explain why the show is so frustrating and why praise for it baffles me:

My disdain for the show certainly centers around MacFarlane, but I don't see how that isn't a valid criticism or something I should look past considering he's the star, creator, and an exec producer. Whatever I dislike about the way he makes TV will obviously be in every facet of how this show is made, and more importantly, how it feels. Since it is a MacFarlane vehicle, any time it starts to feel like it has the same heart or mind as Star Trek that feeling is almost immediately shredded by his sensibilities. The 2nd episode sets up some of those moral quandries (disobeying orders and such) that I'd say are the defining aspect of a Trek plot. Then the solution to them is some total flatline reference to pop culture. Stuff like that happening has blueballed me at every turn. Every time it starts to replicate Star Trek's charm a joke or a moment reminds me woefully that it doesn't have it.

Hopefully the show will find its own way to balance goofiness and Trek-like headiness, but the closest analogue it has is Galaxy Quest, which I love, and "feels like Star Trek" in the way people are claiming this show does. The reason that movie works is that the actual plot isn't really handled like Trek; they explore moral failings and what really makes us "human" (Taggert explaining to the alien dude what lying/acting is) but it doesn't make an attempt at doing some "Best of Both Worlds" type exploration. The story is pretty basic. It still manages to feel like Star Trek because what it lampoons is the culture surrounding it that we all know - its zealous fans, the plights and the egos and personalities of its actors - and so where it draws its humor from and where it draws its characters from is insular and thus consistent in tone. It can carry on Trek's charm because both the farcical elements and the human stories of its characters pull from that world. This show doesn't accomplish the same thing because it went a different route - the plots are much more intricate, morality-testing, and Trek-like, but then what it wants to lampoon is just modern pop culture and your other typical mix of lowbrow MacFarlane humor.

Example: In Galaxy Quest they have a joke where they make fun of what weird alien cuisine a Spock analogue must have eaten, and on top of that have a laugh at what an actor who takes himself so seriously would do when having to eat it. The first reference is to Trek, then the secondary joke is in reference to the real-world Shakespearean actors we've seen act in Trek. This secures a tonally consistent world because its about both the fictional and real scenarios related to a single piece of culture, not just the mixed bag of pop culture in general. In contrast in The Orville they make a joke about one alien's shit, making the initial joke about "hey those crazy aliens in Star Trek must have had crazy anatomy" and the secondary joke about... shit. The initial isn't very clever and the secondary is tonally opposed to the rest of the show's Trek feel. The inconsistency is painful every time it makes itself apparent and yeah, it's mostly that one dude's fault that it turned out this way.

Anyway it's not like to make a good Star Trek homage every single line has to be crafted and checked to say "well is every level of this within Trek world, fictional or real?" but hey, keeping within those boundaries is what makes Galaxy Quest a good counterexample to this show, and a good example of how to poke fun at something while also making a pretty good analogue to it. Quality control like that seems left unchecked in the episodes I've seen so far.

tl;dr: my dislike for The Orville comes from my dislike of MacFarlane as a writer and creator, and his inability to get the tone right, moreso than just "lol Seth MacFarlane's such a tool lololol." Like I'm not physically revolted by the man. I just want him to make a better show, and I can't see why the rest of y'all think he's done a good job.
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Stu Pickles - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 18:48:38 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.388584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388581
Nobody is gonna read your essay on why you hate Seth Macfarlane. Get a life.
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Xena - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 18:53:49 EST ID:0onxplEa No.388587 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388584
I mean fair enough but I did include a tl;dr if you're more interested in reading that. I'm paid by the word.
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Bonnie Barstow - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:04:48 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.388590 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388584
I read it just to spite you
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Itchy and Scratchy - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:46:42 EST ID:zF+Ckiyv No.388592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388590
I didn't read it so I could counter your spite
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Stu Pickles - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:53:32 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.388593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388590
Was it worth it?
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Ornella Muti - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 21:49:33 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388557
>Now that I think of it, I can't remember the name of a single character on the show.

I had to think hard to remember it. Kelly is, I think, the wife, and Bortus is asexual Worf's name...
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Tony Montana - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:14:15 EST ID:9sSGRatt No.388601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388596
Not asexual. They're just all gay men. A species of gay men.
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Ornella Muti - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:32:17 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388601
Obviously not. He dresses poorly, has no flair, never has a snappy comeback, and obviously zero skin care regimen. Could Bortus be any straighter?
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Tony Montana - Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:37:17 EST ID:9sSGRatt No.388604 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Okay my dudes. The third episode is like, a REALLY good copy of a Star Trek episode.

If anything you must admit that this show is going to set a bar that the real Star Trek show has to live up to next week. The plot is straight up stolen from an episode of Masters of Sex a couple years ago but it's perfect.

This shit has promise. The first episode sucked, the trailers sucked even more, but it's showing that it can at least be alright.
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Hesh Hepplewhite - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 00:40:01 EST ID:ePw6/ZuO No.388609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388564
You're probably right. But him hating something bad doesn't mean he's ever done anything that's good.
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Tony Montana - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 01:14:46 EST ID:9sSGRatt No.388612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388609
I think it's more that he knows Family Guy has become super hacky and nothing like it was when it was good, and he kinda wants to do something good again.

Like how Jenji Kohan was writing the umpteenth season of Orange is the New Black and then watched a documentary on netflix and ended up writing GLOW and it's fresh and good again.

I think Seth MacFarlane is desperately trying to get away from Family Guy, but he can't make anything nearly as profitable. But this is a real homage to Star Trek, they actually gave him what he wanted most in the world, fuck him right?
But if Star Trek: Discovery alienates enough fans, he might actually be able to pull it off. If not it'll only last a few seasons and at least it won't suffer the long tail of degradation Family Guy has.

I also think he put their best episode on the week of the ST premiere intentionally though.
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John Redcorn - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 04:35:37 EST ID:RoJKB15f No.388618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388604
Yeah, I liked the third episode, but it did just feel like a really good episode of Star Trek. The show has no identity of its own whatsoever.

I mean, if good Star Trek with Seth McFarlane occasioanlly making pointless 21st century pop culture references is what we get, I guess I'll take it. It's just weird that it's not even remotely trying to be a comedy at this point.

I was a little caught off guard that the court ordered the baby's sex changed and that was it. I expected the other parent to change their mind, or the crew to pull off some kind of trick, but nope, there was just nothing they could do and Bortus (who I thought for the whole episode was named Portis) just had to live with it. That the show actually pulls off the serious drama is even weirder than the lack of comedy.
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Tony Montana - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 05:26:06 EST ID:9sSGRatt No.388621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388618
>It's just weird that it's not even remotely trying to be a comedy at this point.
There are some jokes in the premise of the episode sometimes.
My favorite joke so far:
"You are fragile, are you aware of that"
"There's an anti-bullying law named after me. Yes, I'm aware of it."
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J-Roc - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 08:22:06 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.388626 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I enjoyed episode 3, but I thought episode 2 was a lot better.

I'm cool with Fox shoeing in their beliefs every now and then but an entire episode about trans issues was just too much. It's not that I really care either way about the issue, but putting the focus of the entire episode on that hackneyed metaphor was a bit over the top.
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John Redcorn - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 08:34:22 EST ID:RoJKB15f No.388627 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388621
You're right, it's unfair of me to say it doesn't do any comedy. I actually found it quite funny that they successfully changed Bortus's mind just by showing him Rudolph the Red Nosed Reigndeer.
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J-Roc - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 08:48:02 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.388628 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388618
The trailer made it seem like it was more comedy focused. And I bet that's how it was pitched to Fox. My theory is that Seth used his background to pitch it as a cheesy low-risk comedy throwaway show so that he could do what he really wanted, which was be a star trek captain.
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Tony Montana - Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:15:45 EST ID:9sSGRatt No.388635 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388628
There's a bait and switch with episode 2. They start off with the ex husband ex wife have to go meet the parents setup but it was all a ruse
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Ludacris - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 03:25:11 EST ID:jzRqGgBn No.388690 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>mfw this episode was written and directed by Brannon Braga
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Joyce Summers - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 06:25:10 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.388697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388690
Well he seems right at home with Fox
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Kim Cattrall - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 23:24:12 EST ID:+qL0fAXP No.388721 Ignore Report Quick Reply
anyone notice that seth has one eye that doesnt open as wide as the other? looks like he had a stroke
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Dr. Krieger - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 00:47:11 EST ID:/U4l3w1x No.388725 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388455
I really don't know who would have been a better choice to play Ed than Seth since it's his show and he's a huge Trekkie that can channel his fandom into the role.

>It could be more interesting if he wasn't always riffing on pop culture.

Inserting pop culture references like that is his style but you're right that it can be a detriment.

>>388576
>Everyone on /1701/ has been ripping on Discovery for so long that when The Orville comes along looking more like Star Trek ready to look favorably on it.

It's easier to appreciate The Orville if you watch Star Trek excluding the new films and Discovery but for those that don't watch Trek such as myself and others, I think it's harder to give it its due because of who's involved with it. I'm sure there were people that didn't watch Blunt Talk just because Seth was an executive producer even though it was Jonathan Ames' show.
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Kara Thrace - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 11:26:56 EST ID:qwlz/Wqe No.388754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388725
>I'm sure there were people that didn't watch Blunt Talk just because Seth was an executive producer even though it was Jonathan Ames' show.

There absolutely were. On this very board. People who had never seen bored to death or anything Jonathan ames who just wouldn't touch it because it had Seth's name on it.

Jesus people hate him so much they'll boycott anything his money has touched even if he has no creative input.
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Dr. Krieger - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 12:38:39 EST ID:/U4l3w1x No.388755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388754
Well yeah I remember that since I made the show thread for it. Great show though, sucks it got canceled.
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Scarlett Johansson - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 12:56:07 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.388756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388754
Ever since Cosmos I'll give stuff with his name on it a fair shake.
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Kara Thrace - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:14:50 EST ID:qwlz/Wqe No.388757 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388756
He's fucking trapped in the Family Guy sphere by dat Fox money. They won't cancel it no matter how shitty it gets at this point.

Remember when he killed Brian? Yeah well he is Brian. Every other character is a projection, but Brian is just a pretentious snapshot of MacFarlane from his late 20's when he started Family Guy.

>Can I leave? Does anyone still give a shit? Can I just American Dad this one too and just pop in for the voiceover?
*MASSIVE FAN BACKLASH*
>Jesus christ, fine. We weren't actually gonna kill him, geez. This is a show where a baby can build a time machine.
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John McClane - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 20:43:29 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388757
>McFarlane moves his left pinky slightly
*MASSIVE FAN BACKLASH*

I am sympathetic that he has a very fickle and reactive fan base. Then again, he is a Trekkie, so he knows about fickle and reactive fan bases...
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John McClane - Mon, 25 Sep 2017 20:48:31 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.388775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388774
And no...I am not part of said fan base. I like some of what he has done and honestly, I think that somewhere in there, he has something new and innovative, but it just isn't getting past his tried and true, bread and butter schtick. I cared fuck all when Brian died. I did hate his replacement, but I don't think Not Brian was meant to be a true replacement. Just a seat filler until the series died off sometime in 2945....or however fucking long it is gonna run. Shit got legs....

Pic related. It's my cutaway gag....
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Tammy Tangerine - Thu, 28 Sep 2017 08:20:11 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.388898 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The fuck was Ep 3. Not funny, insightful or suspenseful. I can't even be bothered.
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James Cameron - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 08:06:10 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.388966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Episode 4 was awesome.
It totally redeemed itself for episode 3 being so crappy, and more.
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Rick Deckard - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 12:00:13 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.388973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Hey so about that hut
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Lindsey Wagner - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 20:53:18 EST ID:al0PGV9s No.388989 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388898
It's called character and cultural development. Have you ever seen Star trek?
You are the reason producers cram down happy endings.

>not insightful
You can lead a horse to ideas, but you can't make him think.
It's a thought provoking episode. The burden is on you to wonder what this male dominated egg laying society is like.

Since the pilot, this show has been cycling through star trek episode archetypes to turn everyone on to what it can offer and you now know which star trek archetype you don't like. The space tribunal/literal morality play.
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Sheldon Cooper - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 00:34:21 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.389006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>388973
>MFW I realize Parks and Rec took place on a giant spaceship
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Hank Venture - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 17:45:44 EST ID:0onxplEa No.389030 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389006
>cpt. Leslie Knope
>First Officer Ron Swanson
>Science Officer Ben Wyatt
>Chief Medical Officer Ann Perkins
>Admiral Chris Traeger
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Hank Venture - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 17:47:14 EST ID:0onxplEa No.389032 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389030
or maybe Tom Haverford would be FO. nb.
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Black Dynamite - Sat, 30 Sep 2017 21:21:33 EST ID:cpQu1mMj No.389040 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389032
Ron Swanson would be Scotty. Expect his estimates would be accurate and practical. Shit would get done too. In a manly manner.
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10 out of 10 - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 05:09:45 EST ID:a8I6mpAB No.389187 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389006
And I'm fine with that..
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Shirley Henderson - Thu, 05 Oct 2017 10:04:39 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.389192 Ignore Report Quick Reply
New episode tonight
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Bob Saget - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 12:54:47 EST ID:F35JOStf No.389236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389030
Chris Pratt plays the blob who cleans the Jeffries tubes and the plasma conduits.
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Lisa Ryder - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 16:49:47 EST ID:RoJKB15f No.389245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did this show get good yet?
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Black Dynamite - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 17:10:31 EST ID:Kgxd2qyJ No.389246 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389245
eps 4 and 5 are a big step up from eps 1 and 2, although its still not doing anything groundbreaking, just modernizing classic sci-fi tropes. The jokes are still there but not as bad as in the premiere, which was overly jokey, likely for marketing reasons.
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Bolt Vanderhuge - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 17:20:39 EST ID:pjYzT2C9 No.389247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389245
Only the first episode sucks.
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Dr. David Bowman - Fri, 06 Oct 2017 18:19:49 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.389248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389245
Nope, it got great.
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Bill Haverchuck - Sat, 07 Oct 2017 10:06:54 EST ID:RoJKB15f No.389295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389247
The second episode also sucked.

I'm done with this show I think. Honestly the incessant modern day pop culture references just take me completely out of it.
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Dean Winchester - Sat, 07 Oct 2017 10:34:48 EST ID:ohpNU7mU No.389296 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389295
>the incessant modern day pop culture references just take me completely out of it.
You know this is pretty much straight out of TNG.
UNLESS YOU DON'T READ BOOKS

Don't worry about it. They're usually just integrating something into the show to use it for something else later.
Anyway Seth MacFarlane doesn't use TV because it's more relatable, he uses it because he watched a hell of a lot more TV than he ever read books.

Anyway, the first century of the televisual medium would be considered classic (where it's actually good). Film has been making classics since its inception but let's face it: before the mid 80's TV was shit. For every "Star Trek" there were a dozen Gunsmoke, Bonanzas, soap operas and detective dramas.
So maybe they'd watch Seinfeld, or films like Rankin/Bass Rudolph.

The whole premise of the show is Star Trek with regular joes. The TV references kind of go hand in hand with that compared to TNG's literary focus.

Stop watching it in order. It isn't a serial. Watch what IMDB says is the best episode and figure your shit out.
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Michael Shannon - Sat, 07 Oct 2017 11:41:49 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.389298 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389295
If you don't like sci fi shows or star trek you probably won't like it. And many people who do like star trek don't like it because they're triggered by Seth Macfarlane but the fact of the matter is there is nobody better in Hollywood to make a fan production of Star Trek.

Don't watch it if it doesn't suit you. Big whoop. Go watch something else.
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Michael Shannon - Sat, 07 Oct 2017 11:46:46 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.389300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389298
better suited**
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Dean Winchester - Sat, 07 Oct 2017 13:12:20 EST ID:ohpNU7mU No.389307 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389300
You mean Funimation doesn't have the money to give Vic Mignogna a network Star Trek spoof?

He should be The Orville's Jeffrey Combs. They should put him in alien make-up and have him on many several times.
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Pria - Mon, 09 Oct 2017 06:10:38 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.389408 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well that made zero sense.
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Myka Bering - Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:33:09 EST ID:bV6mrT+1 No.389483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389408
Yeah, if they stopped her from ever having gone back in time, didn't they stop her from saving them?

I was kind of hoping they'd go through the wormhole and either fight the buyer (or retake the ship and fly off) using out-dated technology they weren't prepared for. A few episodes of traveling the 29th century trying to get back could have been cool.
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Christopher Walken - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:50:23 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.389491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389483
There were a lot of things they could have done that would have been more interesting, instead there's just this hand-wavey, illogical explanation.
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Myka Bering - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:39:59 EST ID:bV6mrT+1 No.389498 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389491
To be fair, Startrek does that shit all the time.
But they usually come away with some kind of interesting character development or metaphor or dynamic the episode was tackling.
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Randall Skeffington - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 16:32:22 EST ID:4KxDPkvC No.389507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Say what you will about the latest episode but at least the humor was spot on for once
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Lois Lane - Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:00:28 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.389510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389507
I think its been there for the last two episodes. And those two have been the best of the series imo.
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Twayne Boneraper - Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:57:33 EST ID:m8e9YXct No.389568 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389483
Paradox theory is disproven in the Star Trek mythos.

Because narrative time-travel stories demand it.
Unless you like recursive movies like Groundhog Day and Edge of Tomorrow.
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Abby Maitland - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:06:51 EST ID:bV6mrT+1 No.389596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389568
Then why did she vanish?
They could have just destroyed the portal and sent her away and there wouldn't be any issues, but they show that destroying the portal prevents her from having gone back in time.
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Dr. Virjay - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:23:21 EST ID:wT524U1g No.389598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I like it. The problem with Sci Fi is that only very rarely does it give us details of people lives and the society they live in. Unless you're really invested in the plot, it's unrelatable.

This isn't really a comedy or a spoof, it's a drama with comedic elements and those elements help to make the show easy to watch, but at the same time, the plots are as strong as any episodic sci fi series like Trek.
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Smash Lampjaw - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 15:06:39 EST ID:rRm2uAt1 No.389611 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389598
This is exactly what's wrong with Discovery. It's so plot obsessesd at the expense of everything else.
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Ned Flanders - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:00:42 EST ID:ZiHudtvA No.389614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389598

Star trek has always addressed the current political situations by putting it into a science fiction jacket. And these characters being way more relateable is actually quite helping with that.
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Happy Gilmore - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:08:25 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.389615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389598
Yeah this is exactly what Discovery was supposed to be doing. But instead they felt the need to do it bigger and better than ever before, taking cues from Game of Thrones, so that they could sell their stupid streaming service.
It's gonna blow back in their face so hard.
I know The Orville isn't getting great ratings, but Fox has to know that they're getting better reviews from fans than Star Trek itself, so hopefully they'll renew it if not just to blow smoke in CBS's face.
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Drik Bogarde - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 17:34:21 EST ID:Kgxd2qyJ No.389620 Report Quick Reply
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>>389615
>I know The Orville isn't getting great ratings, but Fox has to know that they're getting better reviews from fans than Star Trek itself, so hopefully they'll renew it if not just to blow smoke in CBS's face.
This is Fox we're talking about.
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Mikaela Banes - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 17:45:37 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.389622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm sorry but how the fuck am I suppose to suspend disbelief when the characters are pretending to act like another species with no experience whatever of how they'd act, down to their fucking names? There's not even the slightest pretence towards realism here, you just have to accept that what's going on is going on.
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Happy Gilmore - Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:13:55 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.389624 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389622
lol dude the show isn't meant to be taken seriously
it's a comedy show. it's just a show that uses sci fi tropes and makes dick and car rental company jokes ffs
what kind of expectations do you have of this show if you expect everything to be 100% plausible? ridiculous ones I guess...
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Dominic Cobb - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 06:44:14 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.389648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389624
fuck off. They could do it seriously and they could do it as satire or they could tread the line, whatever it was they did just hit all the wrong notes and it was fucking stupid.
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Ryan Atwood - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:20:41 EST ID:psFq19rn No.389671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389620
That's one of the best comic strips I've ever seen only 3 panels too. Fucking saved
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David Cronenberg - Sat, 14 Oct 2017 23:56:23 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.389686 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389671
If only it wasn't 3,000,000 pixels across
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David Cronenberg - Sun, 15 Oct 2017 00:22:14 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.389687 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389648
also, Sucks for you because the show is fun as fuck for me and I'm loving every episode. It just gets better and better. And, sorry my comment offended you, please fill out this form so I can post better in the future.
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Jean-luc Godard - Tue, 17 Oct 2017 21:28:36 EST ID:8soux3Rt No.389789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thursdays can't come fast enough nb.
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Chiana - Thu, 19 Oct 2017 20:50:21 EST ID:OnACC6Ao No.389883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389789
I know what you mean, but re-run tonight nb


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