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Smartest show by Dr. Hank McCoy - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:46:31 EST ID:zsOlXwKa No.396482 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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What do you think is the smartest TV show of all time? Like you gotta be really smart to get the show and shit
Is it star trek? Is rick and morty in the top 10?
Thick McRunfast - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:52:23 EST ID:L0g+grEM No.396483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Without a doubt, breaking bad. Greatest tv show of all time, amirite you guize?
Ben Tenison - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 20:11:01 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.396484 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Haha he said Rick and Morty
Debbie DuPree - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 20:31:29 EST ID:QGmZN2ZC No.396485 Report Quick Reply
I fuckin wish there were actually shows out there only for smart people. Unfortunately, TV viewers are so anesthetized to intelligent media that shit like Mr Robot gets hailed as genius storytelling when any degenerate could follow it.
The Master - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 20:38:15 EST ID:OWhw/5UJ No.396486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Twilight zone
Big Dan Teague - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:30:03 EST ID:5QFQFiGU No.396489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Did the '80s reboot live up to the original?
Erin Gray - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:31:58 EST ID:yaY1VRtw No.396490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Decalogue
The Wire
Stump Chunkman - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:34:57 EST ID:fEqoEF2h No.396492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's a tough question for a lot of reasons but instead of debating what merits smart or if it's ok for stupid people to watch said shows, I'll just throw out a few names:

black mirror
first season of true detective
game of thrones
I agree with the Twilight Zone poster (original of course)
South Park (?)
Six Feet Under

I would put R&M on the list, you can't fault the show for it's fans and the quality has been consistant.
Sam Raimi - Thu, 12 Apr 2018 23:23:11 EST ID:vx99qAYk No.396495 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'd say Monty Python's Flying Circus requires the largest amount of general knowledge to get all the jokes and references. That might not necessarily make it the greatest comedy, but it's definitely written by and for a certain type of academic intellectual.

Like their philosophy/football sketches need a working knowledge of both to find funny at all.
John Watson - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 01:48:28 EST ID:sGW+CuNo No.396496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Futurama. One of the writers is a PhD mathematician who wrote an original theorum just for a bit, and it's riddled with tons of obscure science and math jokes that most people won't get.

Ghost in the Shell is the only show that I know of that set aside an entire episode to have adorable robots have in depth philosophical debates about the nature of life, death, and sentience.

I thought Mindhunter was pretty sharp, and had lots of interesting insights into forensic psychology. /mtv/ seemed pretty lukewarm on it, but I enjoyed it.

The Wire is basically a graduate course in institutional political economy wrapped in a crime drama.
Frank Capra - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 02:50:06 EST ID:zHKzJ0CY No.396500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I would +1 for Black Mirror.
The Westworld TV series has been pretty good at being a "smart" show thusfar.
Jeopardy is probably the most informational smart show that isn't a documentary series.
Dr. Krieger - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 15:40:41 EST ID:374jFlXT No.396520 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think any show could be considered "smart". Sure some of them use pretty cerebral plots and concepts or make obscure references, most of these have already been mentioned. But you'd have to be a real dumb sonovabitch to not "get" any of these shows.

Idk maybe I'm too naive about people being able to follow the plot on the level of The Wire or something.
Debbie DuPree - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 15:44:02 EST ID:QGmZN2ZC No.396521 Report Quick Reply
The dumbest girl I ever dated was even able to follow The Wire, even if a lot of the nuances would go over her head.
Dr. Krieger - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 15:52:08 EST ID:374jFlXT No.396523 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I guess you proved my suspicion.
All I can say is that I'm sad for humanity
Woodhouse - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 16:02:36 EST ID:kfccuFTu No.396524 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Westworld isn't that smart. I dunno what 60% of the internet is talking about.

It's just well acted and introspective. It's a lot smarter than the Westworld movie, but that movie was just Jurassic Park with people. Michael Crichton's shit isn't very smart. Probably because the man himself is rather smart and knows what level to pander to.
And that level is two notches less retarded than Dan Brown, who idiots think is smart.
Louis C.K. - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 16:11:56 EST ID:oa2mmJAW No.396525 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Even televised Dostoevsky isn't going to make smart TV because the medium isn't capable of it.
Woodhouse - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 16:29:37 EST ID:kfccuFTu No.396526 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well it's not capable of Dostoyevski because there's only so much screen time you can dedicate to the texture of velvet curtains and wood grains.

It can do Breaking Bad and The Wire though.

Also I shouldn't condemn Westworld yet as it might eventually become a many-layered beast of a telenovel like those, it does have the pieces. It all depends whether it's peaked with its plot twists and reveals or is just getting started.
When you don't put extensive thought into this stuff ahead of time you end up with a Lost trajectory that just falls apart and grasps at threads that will never be tied up. That's the difference between a smart show and just pretending.
Debbie DuPree - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 16:33:01 EST ID:QGmZN2ZC No.396527 Report Quick Reply
>Like you gotta be really smart to get the show
If you actually "get" Twin Peaks, does that make you really smart, or mentally ill?
Muscle Man - Fri, 13 Apr 2018 19:16:58 EST ID:4PYKAkjr No.396531 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Marshall MacLuhan would agree....
Jackie Earle Haley - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 00:24:10 EST ID:vx99qAYk No.396537 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think he would exactly, since we've changed the medium of TV quite a lot since the 60s. He'd probably come up with a much different list of limitations for the modern TV show than that of the 60s.
Pete Punchbeef - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 00:57:12 EST ID:n2dnJiNf No.396543 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Simpson's > Futurama

Same writers. Better jokes.

Science/math jokes shouldn't get a show on this list. Pic related of one of the dumbest fucking shows of all time.
Kristen Schall - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 03:03:38 EST ID:sGW+CuNo No.396545 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Simpson's what?
Carrie White - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 04:04:16 EST ID:k7W4AVEw No.396547 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No shows require much thinking because they would never make any money. Sure there are shows with things going on that only the "smarter" people notice, but for the most part they are still designed to be consumed by the masses. I guess stuff with political plots or investigations is about as smart as it gets, but you'll never see a popular TV show about math or science or history that isn't extremely dumbed down or "lol we're geeks haha".

If I had to choose I'd say the old Star Trek and definitely not the new Star Trek
Joyce Summers - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 05:33:45 EST ID:B7GNH/HW No.396549 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's a recursive existential allegory.

I thought this was a dumb post at first, but you're kind of right. The point of the show is the kind of bad acid trip that hands you a bunch of insight which, while you can't refute it, you kind of have to set aside and will yourself back into pretending to be human otherwise functioning in meat space is going to be rough.

So I guess the answer might be: both.

Never is a long time. There are still a lot of dumb vestigial opinions infecting the industry that date back to when there were only a handful of channels spanning the entire public viewer base and threatening or challenging people intellectually would be counterproductive to the goal of mass pacification and consumer programming.

But that's all changing, and every time someone breaks a rule they make a tonne of money, because people want novel content and even niches are profitable now compared to attempts at mass appeal which can no longer reach a mass audience. There's plenty of other media avenues which serve up deeper content and there's no basic reason it couldn't happen in regular television. It'd only take one success and we'd have an explosion of it.

And yeah old Trek is surprisingly philosophical and multi-layered considering how it looks at first brush. That is a show with a mission.
Gigolo Jane - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 21:20:21 EST ID:Qh++1v/v No.396610 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I agree about The decalogue. I don't about The Wire, but it's an incredible show nonetheless. I haven't seen Heimat, but given your other two suggestions imma check it out.

I'm gonna throw Twin Peaks out there (I don't really like it, but I think it goes well beyond most shows).
Also Horace and Pete. It's really straightforward, but it's just so, so very simply well done. Going so far with so little resources (economic and cinematographic resources) requires that everything is really well thought through.
Berlin Alexanderplatz could also make it to the list.
And well, The Simpsons was really revolutionary in many ways. Even if it's not hard to get, I believe you could call it smart (at least in older seasons).

I dunno why Breaking Bad would make it in this list. It's a good show, but I don't see why it could be called smart. As for Black Mirror it just portrays in a visually and narrative appealing way the critics everyone shares on facebook about technology.
Bob Belcher - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 21:38:57 EST ID:yaY1VRtw No.396612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I forgot about Horace and Pete. Not sure I'd include it in my list, but great show nonetheless. People are including breaking Bad because of , or at least i assume, the symbolism prevalent in certain scenes, notably with with that painting Walt comments one a couple of times, as well as because of the creative cinematography and the occasional literary parallels like Ozymandias and whatnot. i don't consider any of that to make it smart television, although it definitely contributes to making it good television.
Father Jack Hackett - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 22:37:17 EST ID:vx99qAYk No.396614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So how exactly are we judging what is smart?

A smart show is a show that requires analysis from the viewer to understand? That shows off complex jargon or scientific knowledge? That is made for a niche educated audience?

Are there dumb shows made for smart people, or smart shows made for dumb people?
Al Pacino - Sat, 14 Apr 2018 22:51:53 EST ID:sGW+CuNo No.396617 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>dumb shows made for smart people

Beavis & Butthead?
Sheriff Woody Pride - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 02:23:22 EST ID:+yVtfLWt No.396626 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP sounds like a fucken idiot.
Aslan - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:48:50 EST ID:coLWyDOs No.396661 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>dumb shows made for smart people

Pretty much every PFFR show qualifies as this.
Bubbles - Sun, 15 Apr 2018 23:22:19 EST ID:yV3ximT+ No.396662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I didn't even think about that.

Most shows that are "for smart people" actually aren't really all that smart unless they're docu-series, etc. Actual shows that are for smart people are usually parodies or satires so stuff like Monty Python and all of the PFFR shows but especially Xavier definitely fall into that category. I can't really think of any others as I'm pretty high rn but I know there are more like that.

I think satire really in general is "for smart people" even though it doesn't really take much to be able to grasp satire, it's just generally above all the rest because it does take a bit of intelligence to write satire.
Aslan - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 03:32:07 EST ID:coLWyDOs No.396669 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Xavier is the most dense of their shows. There are so many jokes layered into every line of dialogue.

PFFR do like their wordplay tho.
Dominic Cobb - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 05:27:09 EST ID:QmUrtsne No.396670 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I really like PFFR's recurring theme of a main character so innately stupid it's stupidity warps the reality around it
George Takei - Mon, 16 Apr 2018 12:15:12 EST ID:WdVSLmQR No.396679 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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To be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to appreciate Little Bear.
Everett McGill - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 00:45:28 EST ID:8SFBPCfc No.396695 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It may be for kids but damn is that soundtrack good. It was inspired a lot by Franz Schubert and some of it is plain genius as far as the mood goes.
Dean Venture - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 02:12:52 EST ID:ola9EKdz No.396697 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Howard Stern radio show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOmOLbyz8o
Zhaan - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 03:11:32 EST ID:CAKKga/x No.396698 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Batman Beyond.
Krang - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:07:22 EST ID:TDNliMgG No.396705 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I always thought Rupert was pretty dope.
R. Lee Ermey - Tue, 17 Apr 2018 16:44:32 EST ID:/Vmv7I04 No.396707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 00:53:55 EST ID:OR/Yo4mj No.396754 Report Quick Reply
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Smartest show is debatable but I guess for me, it's John From Cincinnati. I liked it, but quite honestly it's hard to get into and even as I watched it when it initially aired back when I was still in high school since my uncle worked on it, all I can really remember is John's quotes and how unlikeable Cissy was as a character. Like the show never really felt the need to explain what was going on and when you think that there's going to be a reveal, even weirder stuff starts to go down. I feel like the show was way ahead of its time in terms of its spiritual and philosophical themes, which The Leftovers hit upon in 3 seasons, and there's a lot of underlying subtext to John as a character but it just gets lost in the layers upon layers of "what the fuck is going on?"
Eddie Murphy - Thu, 19 Apr 2018 02:09:19 EST ID:zHKzJ0CY No.396759 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh man this show really spoke to me when I watched it back in 2004.

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