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Black Panther

- Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:45:55 EST Zh/sUEXx No.394424
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I'm gonna make a new thread because I'm confident that most of you here are capable of discussing the movie like adults.

Who saw it? Thoughts?
Dr. Zackary Smith - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:14:01 EST URfyrbu2 No.394428 Reply
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The beginning seemed all over the place but that’s cause they weren’t setting up a superhero movie. They were on some hamlet shit, getting all king leer up in this bitch.

I can understand how a less skilled viewer wouldn’t be able to pivot expectations.

Other than some dodgy cg at the end and me personally not seeing my politics represented (Killmonger was right) a good movie with a unique esthetic that I look forward to showing my future black children.

And it’s just a blessing to see black girl magic on full display.
Kim Cattrall - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:41:31 EST A6Qq1wun No.394430 Reply
I was thinking of seeing it this week. Good idea? I just don't want to have to listen to people tell me that this piece of shit is a big deal for black people when there are very important films made every year by black directors and black actors that are completely panned/ignored.
Marvin the Martian - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 05:28:27 EST LblVs4/c No.394443 Reply
The existence of other important films doesnt negate the importance of this one.

It's often underestimated how powerful of an impact a character, indeed a movie like this can have on the psyche of younger non-whites, especially blacks in this case. Having a superhero film mostly made up of people that look like you instead of your white friends for once, instead of your guy just being a sidekick or comic relief as usual? It has an effect on how you view yourself. Not so much for those already grown up, but the youngsters who's more intricate and nuanced worldviews are still ridiculously malleable in so many subtle ways.

Also, it not only seems like good fun for all and a good installment of the greater MCU, especially leading into Infinity War. And more importantly, imo, it looks like it features some absolutely stunning and miraculous cinematography and set designs and character designs and mise en scène, which I'm a sucker for. The score and soundtrack seem to be amazing too. Actual plot details aside, it just looks like a beautifully crafted film. Which isn't to knock the plot cuz it looks like it stands out from the rest of the "capeshit" milieu. Seems like it's, among other things, taking the elements that made Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier so unique and cranking them up to 11. Lots of futuristic covert tech and some high treason master conspiracy shiz.
Ricky Ravine - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:00:45 EST Zchs2n/W No.394456 Reply
>hasn't seen it
>already claims it's a "piece of shit"
Boy you seem objective
Chairface Chippendale - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:32:42 EST bsuwocZt No.394461 Reply
Eh, movie was on par with Dr Strange and the first Thor, Cap and Ironman. Nothing crazy good but nothing super bad.

The CGI was kinda bad at times but Jordan is a great actor and awesome villian.
Charlie Murphy - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:38:52 EST Zh/sUEXx No.394464 Reply

>Eh, movie was on par with Dr Strange and the first Thor, Cap and Ironman

I feel this way about most of the latest Marvel movies. None of them really stand out, although Infinity War might exceed expectations.
Claudia Christian - Tue, 20 Feb 2018 23:03:51 EST UvJrz2QQ No.394528 Reply
> Which isn't to knock the plot cuz it looks like it stands out from the rest of the "capeshit" milieu
lolno the plot was one of the worst parts of the movie. The soundtrack though... for a blockbuster movie, the music really stood out. There were a handful of times I was so entranced by it that I missed a few lines of dialogue. All of the Wakandan stuff felt unique, and I loved the high-tech-but-tribal vibe.

Killmonger is the best villain so far. The character isn't all that original, but Jordan makes him charismatic as fuck, you actually want him to succeed at committing a worldwide massacre.

Overall: better than what Marvel usually churns out, but still too formulaic to be great.
Rip Slagcheek - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:06:34 EST h0oljMHB No.394548 Reply
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>Killmonger was right

Now I wanna see Killmonger and Magneto team up for great justice.
Frank Miller - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 13:56:04 EST SUC6ryzI No.394555 Reply
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I haven't seen the movie but I heard this part could have been more intriguing. I hear he IS a villain on par with Magneto (before some writers make him slaughter people senselessly) in the fact you can agree with his goals. Apparently he does have some sort of ulterior motive and wants to start conflict for his own gain or something like that?

Like I say haven't seen it. That actor is fantastic though. Some people are saying "so and so is beneath cape shit" apparently this guy being in the movie really improved it. Looks like he's having fuck ton of fun in the role too.
Carrie Anne Moss - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 15:10:27 EST H8wdw5bt No.394558 Reply
movie is catching shit now because there are no gay ppl in it.

living in this timeline is pain
Simon Pegg - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:01:05 EST DN6V/7XW No.394562 Reply
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Eh. You could make a movie about a transgender omnisexual disabled black woman killing hitler and it would still catch flak from the tumblr crowd for SOME reason
They thrive on their own negativity
Frank Miller - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:48:55 EST SUC6ryzI No.394564 Reply
Just because Debra made blog post about it doesn't mean the rest of the world gives a shit.
Howard Moon - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:05:05 EST w/EkK2lr No.394569 Reply

I think this says more about what you waste your time in reading than any actual backlash against the movie. If you seek out retardation then you're going to get retardation, my man.
William Adama - Wed, 21 Feb 2018 22:41:13 EST 6Qq7ngyu No.394572 Reply
Didn't help Black Panther tried to all lives matter this shit. Then my boi Killmonger be like "life started in Africa, all oppressed people are Africans" true champ of the proletariat.
Wendy Padbury - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 01:29:39 EST Il5Lm62C No.394580 Reply
>Killmonger was right

The state of America these days....
Joy Peters - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:33:15 EST W0lJ1E3m No.394599 Reply
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Do you think the concept of a sympathetic comic book villain is a new one?
Vince Masuka - Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:03:36 EST J6wiy2IB No.394605 Reply
>This shit right here
honestly the entire blaxploitation library is pretty inspiring and good.
Kyle Gass - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 08:58:58 EST zx1q0Nl5 No.394654 Reply
Killmonger is human. Magneto doesn't really play fair when he teams up with humans.

Mind you, that time he came into conflict with Red Skull had an extra dimension, Red Skull being a nazi and white-human-supremacist, and Magneto being a jew and mutant-supremacist.
Magneto locked the Red Skull in a bunker while no one knew where the Red Skull was - essentially leaving Red Skull to die of thirst... maybe even oxygen starvation. Didn't look like a big bunker.
Clémence Poésy - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:53:06 EST oa2mmJAW No.394655 Reply
I think Magneto would eventually say something along the lines of "Jews and blacks are treated the same" which would make Killmonger annoyed and point out how much better Jews in the US are generally treated but then when he tried to point it out, Magneto is a holocaust survivor and it would make the whole thing really awkward and they'd just not want to hang out so much any more.
genophyte - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 20:36:15 EST I9nPhzzV No.394659 Reply
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as far as mcu goes and villains ,we got mordo from dr strange and davos from iron fist.
Elijah Wood - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 21:29:01 EST BP87uARX No.394661 Reply

The only villain I can think of with no redeeming qualities or sympathetic back story is Megatron. All comic book villains were either good at one point or had some gay tragedy happen to make them bad. I always liked the joker because he seemed like a true sociopath. DC seems to have more creative villains.
Dr. Miles Bennell - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 21:30:29 EST cl8CNAPL No.394662 Reply
how about thanos? isn't his backstory that he loved Death so much that he wanted to bang her, but she wouldnt give up the cooch unless he killed the galaxy first? perfect unrepentant backstory
Elijah Wood - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 21:56:53 EST BP87uARX No.394665 Reply

I just looked up Thanos and Megatrons back story. They both have sympathetic backstories even though they are hardly ever mentioned. Thanos it says was almost murdered by his mother for not looking like her and in his childhood years was a pacifist. He then became obsessed with death as a emo teenager. Megatron was a slave or some shit and then became a freedom fighter.

So I guess the Joker is the only villain who is 100% evil and is a true sociopath. I looked up his backstory too and he was originally created with none. They tried to add different versions of his origin story later but none of them are really accepted. When I think of the Joker I think of Charlie Manson... And that is a truly scary villain.
Michael Weston - Sat, 24 Feb 2018 23:44:06 EST vHU110Q6 No.394667 Reply
>i think of manson

I think of Drumpf and the Republican party but to each his own.
Stump Beefknob - Sun, 25 Feb 2018 04:25:06 EST IGClfu5B No.394673 Reply
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Thanos is surprisingly complex. Funny you should say "unrepentant" given how much of his post-Gauntlet history's been spent as an outright hero.
Lemme let you in on possible spoilers for movie: Thanos is the one that always undoes his own plans and resets the status quo. Subconsciously he doesn't think himself worthy of Death's affection, and thus repeatedly self-sabotages.
Nyota Uhura - Sun, 25 Feb 2018 11:00:44 EST 6Qq7ngyu No.394678 Reply
So black panther again. So lit. I find it hilarious that if he had just listened to Nakia the movie would of been resolved in the first ten minutes.

And not to rain on anyone's parade I don't see any indication they're going to stick with Thano' s cosmic friendzone back story. And honestly he's probably better off being a generic villain to facilitate growth in the hero characters than as a dark role model for pimps.
genophyte - Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:00:19 EST I9nPhzzV No.394697 Reply
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noticed for the mcu thanos wiki they finally have him listed as a titan.

there might be hope for a non shitty fantastic 4 , some savage land , conan even .
its a shame they dropped the ball on inhumans though
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:12:18 EST J2nxIdks No.394704 Reply
I saw it on Friday. I thought it was really good since the action scenes were cool like the whole battle at the end but they didn't seem like they were overtly violent but I guess that's what you get for an MCU film. Soundtrack was also dope too. Michael B. Jordan was awesome as Killmonger though and his whole persona of wanting to use Wakanda's vibranium to take over the world and make money off of selling weapons seemed cliche but his justification for it at least made sense.
Douglas Faribanks Jr. - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 09:37:37 EST 6Qq7ngyu No.394749 Reply
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Heard an interesting take that the movie throws African Americans under the bus to elevate the idea of Africa being more pure. While certainly don't think that was Coogler's intention or some point Disney wanted squeezed into the movie far be it from me to tell a black woman how to feel about a piece of media.

It is kinda messed up that the only African American is the bad guy, but they find a way to make a white CIA agent a hero.
Allan Smithee - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 14:45:34 EST w/EkK2lr No.394755 Reply

I haven't even seen the movie and I know that white ass Andy Serkis' robo-arm villain from Age of Ultron is in this.
Christoper Turk - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 15:39:37 EST IGClfu5B No.394756 Reply
Haven't seen it yet, but comic Erik Killmonger is a fucking aces bad guy and comic Friend Ross is an lovable hero. So heaven forbid they adapt something faithfully. Especially something that was GOOD to start with.
Ken Russell - Wed, 28 Feb 2018 18:30:10 EST o9I8Q2ei No.394759 Reply
Civil War was hella good to start with. The movie not quite so much. Felt more like an excuse to get all the avengers to fight at an airport. which was awesome

But the comic series' gets deeper into things and swiftly turned Captain America into every libertarian's favorite. seriously Civil War made Captain America into a martyr for personal liberties
Borg Queen - Thu, 01 Mar 2018 06:17:31 EST LblVs4/c No.394765 Reply
Eh, nah. Seems more like another example of "Malcom X niggas: WRONG; Martin Luther King, Jr. niggas: RIGHT" than anything else.
Matthew Weiner - Fri, 02 Mar 2018 12:27:35 EST 0xhzEBxT No.394793 Reply
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>Martin Luther King, Jr. niggas: RIGHT
Do you mean the "end capitalism, imperialism, acknowledge that the struggle for equality does not end with civil rights and that riots are a reaction to a greater crime"-MLK or the "protest in ways that don't inconvenience or offend anyone, or break any laws, and be as weak and trivial to neutralize as possible"-MLK?
Lawrence "Chunk" Cohen - Fri, 02 Mar 2018 12:59:52 EST 50ilOOtS No.394795 Reply
Malcolm X would have been remembered very differently if he hadn't been killed. He left the Nation of Islam, and at that point was really just like if Martin Luther King were a member of the NRA.

Young Malcolm X was kinda just a disillusioned hooligan, and most of what he's famous for happened along a long transition toward not being that. Then he got there and naturally they had to shoot him for it.

Also the dude who shot Martin Luther King Jr. said it was more about communism than racism. But y'know, probably both.
Golden Joe - Fri, 02 Mar 2018 13:42:19 EST IGClfu5B No.394796 Reply
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All I know about the Martin-Malcolm interplay is that using it as an analogy is what coaxed Sir Ian into taking the X-Men job.
Gul Dukat - Fri, 02 Mar 2018 22:48:24 EST yV3ximT+ No.394813 Reply
Martin Luther King Jr had pretty much fully transitioned to economic justice instead of simply regular old civil rights. I mean, civil rights stuff would get you killed quick back in the day but when you start to tread into Marxist territory and the entire white government already hates you, you're a dead man. I can only imagine he saw it coming.
Thorin Oakenshield - Sat, 03 Mar 2018 21:21:09 EST Zh/sUEXx No.394865 Reply
Just got back from seeing Black Panther. Michael B. Jordan stole the fucking show.
Samsara Siddhartha - Mon, 12 Mar 2018 07:35:13 EST S/VofUd8 No.395215 Reply
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YFW Two black men have a climatic battle on an underground railroad for the fate of black people.
Nada - Tue, 13 Mar 2018 02:40:33 EST no491XO4 No.395266 Reply
It felt like just another Marvel movie to me. Wasn't really anything different IMO.
Morgan Le Fey - Tue, 13 Mar 2018 06:09:30 EST LblVs4/c No.395271 Reply
King was basically a Democratic Socialist. I don't think you can really label him a "Marxist" in any way.

I can tell you one thing, if KING weren't murdered, he damn sure would be remembered drastically differently. This caricaturuzation of him as the civil rights Jesus sure as shit wouldn't have happened. All these right wing shitlords who always go on about how "MLK" wouldn't have protested this way! He'd have bowed his head, hat in hand, and politely asked the establishment if the police could please stop murdering unarmed minorities without due cause, and politely said "Okay, thank you. Sorry to bother you, sir." when his request was declined." would be singing a different tune about this guy who they've retroactively turned into this ridiculous Uncle Tom house n***we. I bet you there would be more than a couple Trump tweets denouncing him, he'd be labeled an outright Stalinist Commie, and the Hillary Clinton types would distance themselves from him like they do with Harry Belafonte.
Gustavo Fring - Fri, 16 Mar 2018 03:29:18 EST kRD6BPr+ No.395409 Reply

Nelson Mandela is considered a civil right Jesus and he was a convicted terrorist
Dr. Steve Brule - Sat, 29 Sep 2018 07:44:40 EST HQn8l2ZC No.403016 Reply
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Black Panther 2: Fem edition
Ash Ketchum - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 22:29:09 EST zAqha5pu No.403191 Reply
Why don't Wakanda mass-produce the BP suit?
Rachel Luttrell - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 10:01:41 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.403201 Reply
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It's ceremonial garb. Something that the king traditionally wears as part of being king. Like a pope hat or a duke sash. The fact that the suit can do special superhuman stuff is a relatively recent thing.
Also aren't the suit abilities we see in his movie all brand new cutting edge experimental innovations? I don't recall him having purple shockwaves in Civil War. They even gave Shuri that whole James Bond Q scene near the beginning to talk him through it. So maybe they fully intend to mass produce it; once he's given it a test drive and worked out all the kinks.
Rachel Luttrell - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 10:12:26 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.403202 Reply
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*Plus, the king is also the active defender/protector/first-line-of-defense in Wakandan culture (hence kingship being determined by ritualized pit-fight; it makes "strong ruler" literal) so no shit he gets first dibs on the best toys. It's in everyone's best interest that he be made exceptionally formidable. nb
John Sheridan - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 22:25:02 EST y/nAxKSI No.403325 Reply
This was a lot better than I thought it would be. I liked the whole Atlantis from Africa thing and all the political intrigue. It had great sets and costumes and I found the moral, philosophical and political arguments it made intriguing. You had the one guy who wanted to use their superior military technology to take over the world and make it a better place that way, then you had the old king who wanted to isolate and not use that technology to help anyone but their own people and then you had the girlfriend who wanted to use the country's wealth and power to help in humanitarian struggles. It's very relevant considering the current political landscape with refugees and whatnot. TChalla has a nice character arc realizing that his father was wrong and that the villain is actually right just misguided in his methods. Overall the movie is visually gorgeous thanks to the vibrant African themes, and the "primitive" tribal behavior coexisting side by side with the super advanced technology was interesting to see. Where it was lacking was the traditional fun of a superhero movie where a normal person acquires powers. That's not really a thing here, you're not vicariously experiencing what it would be like to have the powers, it's more like a super hero movie sequel in that way. Still better than most of the garbage they've been putting out lately though.
Bella Swan - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 04:23:45 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.403333 Reply
I think that "traditional" element ain't all that vital given that so many of the Ur-capes were all either born with powers (Superman, Wonder Woman, Sub-Mariner, OG Human Torch) or lacked them (Batman, The Spirit, The Shadow, The Phantom).
The fact that T'Challa's abilities are attached to his regency might actually be the point. He's not a relatable everyman who stumbled into power; he's a 1%er born & raised into these privileges. Albeit so that he can use them to best rule & protect his subjects. The character comes with his own metaphorical wall. Regular people aren't expected to live vicariously through him, because his responsibilities don't permit him the carefree life of a regular person.
Of course that characterization hinges on an underlying "the monarchy knows best" message. So his journey, ala Thor, entails bringing him down from that high horse & making him reevaluate his ethos. Basically the "traditional" trope in reverse. Superperson becomes more of a regular person.
Bruce Wayne - Fri, 12 Oct 2018 04:03:51 EST e0chc/s7 No.403398 Reply
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Like Clark Kent is the real person and Superman is the persona?
Terry Nation - Sat, 13 Oct 2018 00:50:34 EST SEEIvErL No.403420 Reply
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So the thing about Superman is that Superman really has four identities. Yes Superman, worlds greatest hero, is an act, as is Kal-El of Krypton, the alien god, but so is the Clark Kent that works at the Daily Planet and that most people know and interact with. The real Clark is a very different guy and only really comes out when he is back in Smallville with his parents or alone with Lois or maybe shooting the shit with Bruce and Barry and Ollie.
Uncle Ruckus - Sat, 13 Oct 2018 04:02:48 EST e0chc/s7 No.403424 Reply
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Check out these South Korean K2 Black Panther tanks
Johnny Depp - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 03:45:09 EST IQg2EfMB No.403742 Reply
Movie was aight.

With this movie the actual MCU (not extended netflix/TV) finally got a villain worth a damn.

This dude gets it.
Miranda Otto - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 05:39:40 EST yV3ximT+ No.403743 Reply
I recently tried to watch BP because I saw it on Netflix and was curious if it lived up to the hype. It was the dumbest Marvel movie I've seen in a long time. I'm not a huge Marvel fan, but I do like the Iron Man, Spider Man, and Thor movies. So I guess I'm kinda selective in which ones I think are just stupid enough to sit through, but god damn Black Panther was terrible. And to think the Academy was gonna invent an award category just to give that fucking retarded movie and Oscar. What a joke lmao.
Samantha Carter - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:44:53 EST seMbfx1d No.403744 Reply
Blank panther is dumb because...... (insert reason here)

Just saying
Kurt Wagner - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 06:57:40 EST Mn19BObK No.403745 Reply

totally agree (insert reason here) just makes the movie tremendously bad.
Miranda Otto - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 10:49:41 EST yV3ximT+ No.403749 Reply
Story, characters, world all very dumb and hard to buy into. Especially the faux African shit. That's the worst part. You could (insert) a million reasons that it's dumb.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 12:11:21 EST I1V+5VgQ No.403750 Reply
>especially the faux African shit

To be fair it’s supposed to be Afrofuturistic
Theon Greyjoy - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 12:24:11 EST n+iDhdY4 No.403751 Reply
Not enough mud huts, bones through noses or lip plates for you?
Miranda Otto - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 19:40:22 EST yV3ximT+ No.403765 Reply
My point exactly, it's all extremely stupid. Even more stupid than the average Marvel fare. Fuck I'd rather sit through every single one of this recent terrible Spiderman reboot than watch Black Panther again.
Tony Montana - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 20:14:48 EST 7f415ttP No.403766 Reply
Don't understand all the hate, I thought back panther was pretty good for a marvel movie
Would've like more Wakanda world building but Killmonger was a pretty good villain; would've been nice if Black Panther wasn't so fucking overpowered and maybe did more shit as the Prince with political/ethical problems not sharing the crazy tech they have
Wade Welles - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 21:34:12 EST yV3ximT+ No.403767 Reply
To be clear, I don't hate it. I just thought it was extremely mediocre especially compared to how well received it was. I was disappointed. Because I'm not huge into Marvel but recently Infinity War and Black Panther both got huge warm receptions and I really loved IW, so I thought maybe they're starting to make good movies and this is a new wave, but nope. IW was just the culmination of a mountain of shit that somehow amounts to something cool through movie magic. That dude who runs Marvel is a genius. Idk how he does it.
Big McLargehuge - Sun, 28 Oct 2018 09:52:05 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.403855 Reply
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Why are you so offended by a fantasy setting, anon?
What possibly could it be about this particular made-up world that gets under your skin, hmmmmmm?
Trunk Slamchest - Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:17:57 EST nJM+MZc3 No.403861 Reply
It's not Lord of the Rings. Hell it's not even Thor or Spider Man. It's an extraordinarily lame and stupid fantasy setting. But I do enjoy your playful race baiting.
Slab Squatthrust - Sun, 28 Oct 2018 16:27:36 EST UFmkpfhx No.403864 Reply
this movie is propagander
Robert Baratheon - Sun, 28 Oct 2018 17:19:07 EST 0ZfN6QKM No.403865 Reply
they all are tho, at least the ones from major studios
Lady Jessica - Sun, 28 Oct 2018 17:36:16 EST nczxM+Z9 No.403866 Reply
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Nah bro, there's no way that characters like Captain Patriot Man and Iron "Billionaires are good let's give them no accountability and all the weapons and treat them like saviors" Man could possibly be vectors for propaganda. No way.

Propaganda is when black people, and the more black people there are the propagandier it is.
Ka D'Argo - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 08:26:53 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.403883 Reply
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I thought it was a very creative entertaining fantasy setting. And ain't even black.
What's so lame and/or stupid about it? Legitimate question. Elaborate, please.
Alice Krige - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 09:58:31 EST nJM+MZc3 No.403885 Reply
I already said, the world they built was stupid. If you handed me the comics and asked me to read it I'd put it down and say "lol this is a stupid concept, do you have Ghost Rider? Or maybe some Green Lantern? Cuz that dude's a pretty interesting superhero." It's just missing something to actually make it interesting and cool.

Btw, has Bojack Horseman stopped sucking yet?
Alice Krige - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:02:13 EST nJM+MZc3 No.403887 Reply
Also, I already claimed that I'm not a comic movies aficionado so how about you dim fanboys just accept that people have differing opinions instead of bringing race into it like an idiot.
Marvin the Martian - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 14:31:19 EST sh+F9mZ/ No.403891 Reply
you didn't say how it's stupid though, which has people curious
Ka D'Argo - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 16:51:28 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.403894 Reply
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And which naturally leads people to make assumptions.
E.g., maybe you think it's stupid because it portrays certain people as intelligent & industrious.

If that was indeed what you found stupid about it you might as well just say & own it rather than pussy out. If that's not it at all and such an assumption is abhorrent character assassination then by all means; set the record straight. What actually makes Afrofuturism less interesting-and-cool than skull bikers or space cops? IMO the concept is better on both fronts, so I'm interesting in this alternative viewpoint.

Are you >>403765? Because that's the post that "brought race into it like an idiot" by implying it's stupid because it doesn't portray Africans as cavemen. Insofar that's the closest you/he/whoever's elaborated re: what exactly is so stupid. Ergo, it's all anyone else has to go on re: your opinion.

I'm giving you free reign to show me up, tell me off and prove me wrong here. Which should be easy as piss to do. Because surely race has nothing to do with it, no sir. So why the lack of detail or elaboration? WHAT is so obviously inherently stupid about black people building space ships? Fill me in.
Batman - Tue, 30 Oct 2018 06:18:05 EST fDiJcBJh No.403913 Reply
Its a dumb comic movie. There isn't much to say. Your presumptions only speak of your mindset that anyone who doesn't like it is racist which is absolutely retarded.
Randall Skeffington - Tue, 30 Oct 2018 08:08:36 EST nJM+MZc3 No.403915 Reply
Literally what i said was that there was "faux african shit" which you have transformed into "doesn't display african people as cave men". Well done.
Randall Skeffington - Tue, 30 Oct 2018 08:12:03 EST nJM+MZc3 No.403916 Reply
by the way this is me on the phone, didn't have the patience to read the other absurd and asinine posts in this thread until now. You guys are really outdoing yourselves. You are saying that I have to give an explanation why I don't like it that is adequate to you or obviously there's only one reason that I wouldn't like it. That's fucking laughable. It's a fucking stupid comic book movie. And you guys aren't trolling either. Lol.............
Tom Haverford - Tue, 30 Oct 2018 09:16:02 EST cbaSWyYr No.403918 Reply
>You are saying that I have to give an explanation why
Nobody forced you to give a suspiciously vague yet forceful condemnation of a politically controversial movie, and nobody forced you to suspiciously refuse to elaborate when given the chance. If you wade into a topic with a known preexisting controversy then act all coy about your motivations and get defensive when people ask you to elaborate, then you leave others with no other option than to fill in the blanks themselves. If you refuse to complete your thoughts then you open them up for others to complete them for you.

This is how human communication works. Deal with it or die mad about it.
Bruce Wayne - Tue, 30 Oct 2018 15:00:07 EST sh+F9mZ/ No.403923 Reply
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I didn't presume anything! I'm just curious if that poster had any specific reason to think the "faux african shit" was dumb. Check IDs before you become so hostile, dipshit

Aesthetically it isn't "faux" at all, with very clear influence from a dozen or so cultures with a futuristic spin. Ostensibly, it was the best thing about the movie imo.


Oh please, nobody is demanding anything. If you can't elaborate on or stand by your own statements then that is entirely on you
Klaatu - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:24:11 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.403928 Reply
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Literally what you said was that the lack of mudhuts & nosebones is "my point exactly", and why "it's extremely stupid".
As such, "faux African shit" sounds like "they should only show REAL Africa", which either misses the point that this is a work of fantastical fiction, or implies that fantasy-fiction Africa is, itself, a stupid idea that's not worth portraying.
Everyone I've ever talked fucking stupid comic book movies to has been able to express & explain why a given comic book movie is so clearly self-evidently fucking stupid. Until now.
So either you're literally incapable of enunciating your own opinions, are too indignant to simply prove everyone wrong, or are, indeed, pussying out.
lol indeed.

We done? The fact you're still here complaining implies you've got something to say but you clearly don't WANT to say anything.
Klaatu - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 08:46:20 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.403929 Reply
And FTR: it's also the insinuation that other "fucking stupid comic book movies" apparently aren't all that fucking stupid. e.g. Iron Man, Spider-Man and Thor. If this was a blanket critique of all superhero fare that'd have been that. But nah; those 3 are all great. Black Panther is SPECIFICALLY offensive, somehow.
And the fact of the matter is, whether it's because of the obvious difference or not for you: that obvious difference HAS explicitly unashamedly been why many people who hate this movie claim to hate it. So whoop-de-frickin'-do if people assume the guy reciting the same opinion with the same language has the same reasons when he adamantly refuses to clarify otherwise.
Powdered Toast Man - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 10:22:57 EST zx1q0Nl5 No.403930 Reply
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>wha wha wha wha i am a the future nazi snowflake and BP offends me
>ah ah ah ah ah ah ah why do you distrust my words, my criticism is legitimate

Fuck off and kill yourself already you cocksucking faggot.
Jim Moriarty - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 16:32:24 EST nJM+MZc3 No.403944 Reply
I didn't even finish the movie so I can't give a 100% accurate analysis. But I thought the African shit looked inauthentic and like a ripoff, it seemed exploitative to me tbh. I'm no African historian so maybe I was wrong but one of my first thoughts was "what would some Maasai people think if they saw this movie, would they think it's absurd and would they be upset"? Now that I think about it, they probably wouldn't give a shit. It's just some silly movie.

And before you say that I can't go calling it stupid without finishing it, I can and I will. I didn't finish The Last Jedi either and I feel very comfortable calling that movie dumb and felt very good about my decision to turn it off after the Space Leia scene. Also, the comment in response to the mudhuts was very clearly riffing off of the other person's sarcasm. Or was Poe's Law only working for my post?

I said that I liked those other comic movies and they are literally the only ones that I listed that I liked. Is it rare for someone to only like a few comic book movies? Or maybe it's because Tony Stark is white HMMMMMM?? Do you guys have any more absurd conclusions to draw out of thin air? I bet you guys think I harassed Idris Elba on twitter because he was being considered for James Bond, you guys are fucking paranoid.

Idk, the movie isn't doing quite as well on its Rottentomatoes score as I expected, 79% audience score (which seems relatively low compared to how intensely it was received), so I assume I'm not literally the only person on the planet who thought the movie was silly. But I just think it's hilarious how serious some of you are when I simply didn't give a great explanation of why I didn't like it. And after the treatment I've gotten for simply disliking a movie that everyone else likes, I've gotta say I wasn't very incentivized to further explain my criticisms. It's like you guys have never heard of being in a foggy mind state and not being able to express yourself clearly. Y'all need to smoke more. Especially you >>403930
Fiona Gallagher - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 16:39:15 EST MyBydNCn No.403945 Reply
>But I thought the African shit looked inauthentic
As compared to what? The real-life Wakanda?
Denver, the Last Dinosaur - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:05:45 EST oa2mmJAW No.403947 Reply
> It's just some silly movie.
this could have been your entire post
ya blew it
Jim Moriarty - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:11:33 EST nJM+MZc3 No.403948 Reply
So you're implying that race exploitation can't exist in a fantasy setting? Idk, I feel like they used the race of the nation to pretty subtly hide some themes that are pretty counter to the way that the people who lionize the movie might see it. I actually don't know how they see it, but I doubt they see it as regressive, conservative and nationalist. And I didn't realize what I was feeling or noticing at first but it definitely bothered me. They live in gated community surrounded by starving black people for Christ's sake. I don't remember them questioning their conservative nature either. It's just a weird movie that I think is a bit dissonant in tone and meaning. It says one thing and does an other. And then people vehemently defend it if they think someone is attacking it because of race. My feelings about it are pretty much the opposite of the conclusions drawn in this thread. From the very beginning it felt like I was being sold a lie. But I couldn't put my finger on it. And I didn't realize it until I just started thinking about it more now. It doesn't represent what the unwashed masses think. Or maybe it's just a shitty movie and they weren't meaning to be essentially jingoistic and regressive. They portray the only person that wants to do good with what they have as a psychopath, so I can't help but feel that they were doing this with the intent of essentially being about how great it is to hoard your money while the rest of the world starves. Kinda seems like it's rich people saying "peasants, what we do is okay. in fact, it's good, now please go back to your tv like a good citizen and please don't break into my gated community and lynch me when you realize just how unjust this disparity is."
Fiona Gallagher - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:25:24 EST MyBydNCn No.403949 Reply
>So you're implying that race exploitation can't exist in a fantasy setting?
No, I'm asking how a fictional portrayal of a fictional scifi society that only exists in fiction can possibly be "inauthentic".

Do you think Hogwarts is an inauthentic depiction of life in an English boarding school?

>They live in gated community surrounded by starving black people for Christ's sake. I don't remember them questioning their conservative nature either.
>hoard your money while the rest of the world starves.
That was literally the entire point of the movie.
Jim Moriarty - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:50:54 EST nJM+MZc3 No.403951 Reply
Well you're going to semantics but I made it clear that I thought it was exploitative.

>That was literally the entire point of the movie.
To be totally counterrevolutionary in its message? I feel like comic book heroes should be more like Robin Hood, not some guy who's essentially a mouthpiece of the Koch brothers.
Fiona Gallagher - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 18:00:59 EST MyBydNCn No.403952 Reply
Maybe if you had finished the movie this wouldn't be so confusing for you.
Saskia Reeves - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 20:51:19 EST UDswfB6D No.403954 Reply
I didn't even like BP that much, but with the amount of time you've spent bitching about what you imagine the movie is about, you could've watched it multiple times and learned for yourself why you sound like an enormous dumbfuck.
Tom Baker - Wed, 31 Oct 2018 21:11:32 EST seMbfx1d No.403957 Reply
Vader's daughter can do space magic if she wants. God damn man you're conservative.
King Arthur - Thu, 01 Nov 2018 05:29:28 EST EIuFkWzb No.403962 Reply
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Killmonger's first action upon securing power was to give all oppressed people the tools to overthrow their exploiters.
Tchella's final action, after ending Killmonger's plan, was to set up foreign embassies and set up a foreign charity in Killmonger's old neighborhood.

Billions continuing to live in poverty, while Wakanda does the absolute minimum to assuage their guilt could have only been better if Wakanda continued Killmonger's plan, but just armed those in power.
Jack Harkness - Thu, 01 Nov 2018 07:52:50 EST nJM+MZc3 No.403964 Reply
Lol that was the moment the movie jumped the shark. And did I miss the memo that states everyone who likes Star Wars is liberal and everyone who doesn't is conservative? Do you draw political lines based on trash cinema made by Disney? Holy hell, is that actually where we're at in this brave new world? Or are you guys just making shit up now? If this is true, it's pretty shitty that I've gotta find out that I'm voting for the Zodiac right in the middle of the mid terms. I'd have appreciated it if someone told me sooner.

I know a few key facts that either nobody here noticed because they were too busy eating the assholes of some studio execs while they're wanking themselves off about how progressive they are when really they don't have a fucking clue how regressive they are because they're just that out of touch. Or they don't give a shit. Or the third option is that this is just an other fake film about empowerment that really is propaganda telling you that you should remain docile. Either way, I really have a hard time thinking that nobody ever pointed out to them that point E was a bit problematic.

Yeah, it's a comic movie but it's also a movie that chose to take on some pretty fucking important themes in some very ass backwards and irresponsible ways that shouldn't be ignored, especially if you're lionizing the movie for being progressive. And don't tell me that you guys don't, because if you didn't you wouldn't call people who criticize it regressive.

A) Only 1 person in the entirety of Wakanda thought "hey maybe we should stop hiding and hoarding our wealth, and go help all those starving people next door"

B) That 1 person was portrayed as the villain and as a psychopath, and treated as such by all of Wakanda. He was the symbol of socialism and treated as a nutjob for not being okay with sitting on a pile of gold coins while the world rots. Everyone in Wakanda is so comfortable in their gated communities. If this is just role reversal, then it wasn't done very well considering the general tone of the movie is counter revolutionary.

C) The hero seems like one of those "ends justifies the means" kinda guys. He's isolationist, regressive. Not very likeable.

D) The movie seems to reinforce some stereotypes such as "the only thing that Africa can produce is what can be mined and drilled out of it." That's a bit dated and colonialist. It shows a lack of creativity that they couldn't come up with some better background for their advancement than they've got minerals in the ground. Like seriously, you're gonna take the historical way that Africans have been oppressed and continue to be to this day and transform that into the background for how Africans have freed themselves in this fictional world. It's almost like subtle revisionism. Turning the enslavement of capital into the savior of the race. Yeah the comics were written a while ago but nobody would have held it against them if they decided against making the backbone of Wakanda blood diamonds.

E) They're super advanced yet they decide their leaders by hand to hand combat. Well, I guess since they're black that makes sense right? You put them in this futuristic environment that they've created and eliminated scarcity and other societal ails and they're still using violence to make their biggest decisions. That's bullshit tbh. It seems to say that even if black people can manage to advance themselves and evolve, we'll always be primitive hut dwellers who choose an alpha in the same way that apes do.

F) Don't listen to Malcolm X, this is the most grievous and blatant of them all.

I just don't see anything worth idolizing in it and I find it odd that nobody cares to notice these things that are pretty glaring. I guess people have their blinders on? Blinders that reflexively make you attack anyone you perceive as a threat to your beautiful symbol of stagnation and compliance. I have more grievances but I'm done. But please don't let me ruin for you what was essentially a trash movie that reinforced harmful stereotypes and through movie magic and good PR transformed historical methods of oppression into progress. And of course, the status quo is ok. Don't rock the boat by doing anything drastic!
Lil DeVille - Thu, 01 Nov 2018 10:09:37 EST YbTFfULI No.403966 Reply
A) That's not true. T'challa's girlfriend also makes that argument.

B) See A. Also Killmonger successfully convinces them to be less isolationist and to spread their wealth in poor black communities.

C) See B. Also I'm not sure how making the pre-revelation regressive conservative monarch more "likable" would have made this is a more "revolutionary" movie. Killmonger being so much more charismatic and dynamic than T'challa arguably makes it easier to present his point of view to the audience as valid.

D) Only white people are allowed to take depressing historical realities from their cultural past and reclaim them as stories of hope and empowerment, apparently. Stories about Africa must be 100% sad 100% of the time, and if any uppity blacks try to creatively squeeze some whimsy out of their historical struggle then indignant whites on the internet are here to tell them how to feel. John Henry is a folktale that turned a tragic story of racially segregated forced labor and class exploitation into inspiring tales of a cool dude who used the tools of his oppression to do cool things. Are you going to say black kids are wrong for finding inspiration in that, too?

E) Asgard is super advanced yet all they seem to do all day is get drunk and hit each other with melee weapons. Sakaar is super advanced yet they still have Iron Age-style gladiator matches, also with melee weapons. These kinds of anachronisms and contradictions are very common in science fiction, you just don't seem to notice it until black people do it. Also you're starting to let the mask slip at the end there, reign it in a little.

F) ...it's a Disney movie about a man who dresses like a cat. It's not going to command the audience to start an armed revolution. Working-class antifascist Steve Rogers nevers turns to the camera and says to seize the means of production, did that also bother you?

I don't think you're arguing out of good faith. I think you're trying to be clever by owning the leftists with their own logic and subtly sneak in your real feelings along the way. Because if you were arguing out of good faith, then that would mean that you expect consuming Disney products to he good revolutionary praxis.

And that would be retarded.
Jax Teller - Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:00:58 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.403978 Reply
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Okay, I'm a fucking nonce and you're the bigger man. Thank you for suffering through my retardation & taking the time to elaborate after all. These are interesting criticisms I hadn't thought of.
Full disclosure; I've been browsing a lot of extreme-political shite recently which might well have colored [huehuehue] my reading of the situation & steered my presumptions. Only now do I see the possible connection - sorry for that.
Jax Teller - Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:28:06 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.403979 Reply
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>[Wakanda is] regressive, conservative and nationalist.
>They live in gated community surrounded by starving black people for Christ's sake.
>It's just a weird movie that I think is a bit dissonant in tone and meaning.
This is all completely true and a fine point to make. Wakanda's an alt-right paradise.
That said:
>I don't remember them questioning their conservative nature either.
That's sort of the arc of the movie. It's T'Challa coming to realize that Wakanda IS a bit shitty in political terms, and resolving to subvert it. Wakanda's isolationism is what effectively creates Killmonger and puts the entire world at risk. The movie ends with them joining the UN & establishing an outreach program in black communities.
Granted it's a cheap tacked-on resolution but that's what a sequel is for. This movie was about establishing the old ways that need moved away from.

>They portray the only person that wants to do good with what they have as a psychopath
m8, he wanted to incite a worldwide race war. Literal unambiguous white genocide.
History's greatest monsters all wanted to do good. And the movie acknowledges that he ultimately has a solid point, underneath all of the reprehensible methods. That realization is what galvanizes T'Challa to make long-overdue changes to Wakandan society. BLACK PANTHER 2 COMING TO AMERICA TICKETS ON SALE NOW!

>I couldn't put my finger on it. And I didn't realize it until I just started thinking about it more now.
That's understandable. Sorry again for all the misrepresentation.
Jax Teller - Fri, 02 Nov 2018 10:37:24 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.403980 Reply
^^^ S P O I L E R S ^^^ btw.

I somehow missed the "I didn't even finish the movie" part at the very start of the post.

Today's jus' fulla flubs fo' me. nb
Mathilda - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 01:25:59 EST cMUGURKc No.404019 Reply
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Why talk about a film you haven't finish unless you want someone's opinion about seeing it?
Sidney Lumet - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 10:53:33 EST 6Jm6iItZ No.404023 Reply
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Oh totally. I mean I'd have spoilertexted the parts where I spell out the ending had the bit about not seeing the ending yet registered at-the-time. Like >>403966 did. Simply as a matter of courtesy. It's just me being neurotic, don't worry 'bout it.

That said, >>403964 is brimming with good points that only really hold up if you've not got to the end of the movie and seen the resolution. It's like criticizing Star Wars for glorifying fascism because you turned it off before the Rebel attack and assumed the Empire just wins. Which is a shame, because those ARE some good points he's making when you separate them from the literal ignorance behind why they're being made. Hell the first part kinda sums up why there's a WWE Hall of Famer in the White House. SpaceLeia was fine tho I don't get why there's even a controversy

THAT said, D) is a a brilliant counterargument and should always be kept in mind regarding this movie. Reality's shitty. Fiction idealizes it. That's universal and color-blind. Wakanda dindu nuffin different to whitey's mythologizing of the Wild West.
One could argue that it should have, since we now "know better" than to sugarcoat history's atrocities & life's hardships, but IMO that's moving the goalposts and unbalancing the standards. True equality is being allowed the same irresponsibilities & guilty pleasures as the majority-audience equivalent.
Although comparing Asgard & Sakaar to Wakanda is a bit of a false equivalency. They're literal alien cultures developed on entirely separate planets by innately different physiological-beings, not African-ism on Earth by humans.
Sala Baker - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 19:12:57 EST EIuFkWzb No.404033 Reply
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>That's sort of the arc of the movie. It's T'Challa coming to realize that Wakanda IS a bit shitty in political terms, and resolving to subvert it.
Offering the smallest possible feel-good concessions to hold on to power and avoid any real change is the shittiest possible way to avoid a revolution.
I can only hope Black Panther 2 acknowledges that there would have been no changes at all without Killmonger, and there will be no further changes if they're not backed by an existential threat to those who must enact them.
Fuck sake, the movie's called "Black Panther", it can afford to be at least a little revolutionary.

>That's sort of the arc of the movie. It's T'Challa coming to realize that Wakanda IS a bit shitty in political terms, and resolving to subvert it.
That's somewhat ambiguous, as it wasn't specified that the arms would only be going to western countries, and the ruling class in Africa are black.
I interpreted it as a proletarian revolution rather than a racial one.
Theoden - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 19:54:33 EST M0WIQ2/G No.404035 Reply
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Ed Wood - Sun, 04 Nov 2018 20:14:17 EST 1LUlzS1I No.404039 Reply
expecting anything made by Disney to be revolutionary is unwise
Akira Kurosawa - Sun, 18 Nov 2018 23:52:09 EST zNWYaT9u No.404468 Reply
lol i cant believe i read this whole thread. i watched the movie like a week ago and i thought it was really great. what stood out the most to me was the beautiful attention to detail in the cinematography of each scene. i typically refer to this genre as "capeshit" and dont watch any of the super hero movies, but a friend with good taste told me this one was worth watching so i did. i also liked the main villain having a valid argument, as did apparently many people. i think in 2018 we're a little overdue for a successful hollywood film of this caliber with predominantly black cast. the comedy was also infrequent enough as to not be annoying. one thing i was a little disappointed by was the lack of a closing wakanda scene where all the different tribes get their blessings/demerits from the king or whatever. all we got was a short shot of him walking into the throne room. another disappointer was the UN scene where someone is like "lol what can farmer nation do" and t'challa and his gf just give each other a "knowing look", like wtf i was really expecting them to demo some insane technology, but nope, scene ends.

so there were a few moments i would say i would prefer to have been different for my own movie tastes but overall it was a very good movie, i would say like 8.5/10

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