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Friendly reminder the "Matrix in a Matrix theory" is confirmed as canon by the directors

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- Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:16:52 EST eC9hz/vo No.408280
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Did the Oracle and Architect know?
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Rectangular Businessman - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:58:20 EST hu3C5Tbi No.408281 Reply
>>408280
You going to provide proof your fan theory is "canon" or are you just trolling?

There is no matrix within a matrix. People just miss the whole point and can't except that Neo is powerful enough to hack the "laws of physics", just like he can "hack" the laws of the matrix. If we could see outside the boundaries of our perception, if we could see the source code of existence, we'd know that everything is not as it appears to our observations. So in that sense, yes it is a matrix within a matrix, and everything that physically exists is a matrix, but not in the way you think.
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Humphrey Bogart - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 20:21:35 EST DeHiQXht No.408282 Reply
>>408281

But i think that kind of proves the point about what the matrix actually is, its a program built to elicit compliance, theres one for the humans and there is also one for the robots. all sentience has radicals within the hivemind, agent smith is a great example of this and the first human to break free of the matrix is also a great example.

So is it really so implausible that there is another layer, another hierarchical structure which exists beyond the 'real world' of the matrix?
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Spock - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:05:42 EST hu3C5Tbi No.408284 Reply
>>408282

>>So is it really so implausible that there is another layer, another hierarchical structure which exists beyond the 'real world' of the matrix?

If you mean the "real world" is just another simulation specifically created to make people slaves, it's not implausible at all, and one of the obvious questions anyone would ask after watching the movie. I just don't see any evidence in the movie that makes me jump to that conclusion, other than Neo having real world powers. To me that always seemed like an extension of the some of the deeper philosophical themes about the metaphysical nature of reality. It seemed to imply the existence of some kind of idealism, to say that reality itself is not physical and we can achieve mastery of "reality" the same way we could in a simulation, using our minds. Neo realized this and became The One in real life, the exact same way he was The One in the Matrix.

I think that was the meaning. But it was also meant to pose a question to the people watching, and it's possible there may have never been a true answer. Did Neo use his brainwaves as some kind of Wifi connection to the robots? Is there is another matrix? An infinite number of matrix's within matrix's? Is reality itself some kind of dream? Are we slaves to god himself? It just turns into the same questions philosophers and mystics have been asking for centuries, about the nature of reality and what is physically possible. The only thing we can be certain of is that our experience of consciousness exists. Once you realize this, it becomes futile to base our knowledge solely on observations/measurements.

>>But i think that kind of proves the point about what the matrix actually is, its a program built to elicit compliance, theres one for the humans and there is also one for the robots. all sentience has radicals within the hivemind, agent smith is a great example of this and the first human to break free of the matrix is also a great example.

Knowledge(belief) itself is a matrix we use to help us explain reality, which inevitably imposes rules on us because we form beliefs about what is or isn't possible, which subconsciously dictates our behavior. Being able to perceive the difference between objective truth and beliefs is what gives power to The One, whether its in "reality" or the matrix. This is not about who controls what or who created what or how many matrix's there are. It's about transforming your mind to become remove the limitations we impose on ourselves
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Bilbo Baggins - Mon, 24 Jun 2019 13:48:06 EST DO4Z3epi No.408328 Reply
>>408280
"Simulation Hypothesis"
"Tipler's Omega Point"
hurr durr

Back in the days I even downloaded the pdf for the book that appears in the original "simulicatum and something" something like that. What an insufferable read. I didn't even make it past the first few pages. In hindsight an obvious red herring.
Still fun to pounder about if you're semi-paranoid and couchlocked from a strong indica/sativa hybrid.

From a rational perspective it's all bull of course.
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Monica Geller - Mon, 24 Jun 2019 17:11:34 EST oa2mmJAW No.408333 Reply
>>408328
You seem like a highly clever and intellectual individual.
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Martin Bayfield - Wed, 26 Jun 2019 03:28:54 EST 4BGw/Rax No.408367 Reply
>>408328
I curious about the book. Maybe it's "simulacra and simulation"?
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Kazaam - Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:26:14 EST XgsH7nii No.408375 Reply
Oh really? Was this before or after they transitioned?
Lol Wachowski sisters. What a couple of stooges.
V for Vendetta was them. SPEED RACER was them.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Wed, 26 Jun 2019 23:04:03 EST RBdu29nx No.408381 Reply
>>408375
This was way before they ever transitioned. Even after they transitioned when they made Sense8 with JMS, which I liked but I can understand if people were turned off by the LGBT and SJW pandering, their stuff after The Matrix is very hit or miss.
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Guinevere MacReady - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 00:21:58 EST 8m/TPjKG No.408382 Reply
>>408375
I liked V for Vendetta, although I do admit it wasn't as good as The Matrix was.
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Daenerys Targaryen - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:49:07 EST 2YFA4cAD No.408386 Reply
A dream in a dream in a dream... just like old folklore and myth.
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Karen Gillan - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:02:10 EST 0Q6xwLxP No.408391 Reply
What if there's a matrix within the matrix within the matrix
And a matrix within THAT matrix
It's matrices all the way down
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Guinevere MacReady - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 19:51:20 EST 8m/TPjKG No.408396 Reply
>>408386
What old folklore and myth contained the element of a dream within a dream within a dream?

I mean sure lots of folklore and myth were about dreams, but I can't think of any that explored the idea of "it's dreams all the way down".
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Elizabeth Taylor - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 06:20:02 EST CNw95KnL No.408399 Reply
>>408391
What do you call more than one dominatrix? Domanatrixes? Domanatricies? Who are these people?
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Raquel Welch - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 19:04:02 EST f23Jde8S No.408424 Reply
>>408375

Until Infinity War, Speed Racer was the best "comic book movie" of all time
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Saul Goodman - Mon, 01 Jul 2019 03:17:16 EST m/cHbnEJ No.408447 Reply
>>408281
What about the Oracle telling neo he isn't the one though
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Nathan Young - Mon, 01 Jul 2019 05:09:34 EST mE2D0gCU No.408451 Reply
>>408424
Speed Racer was underappreciated in its time, but that's not true at all.
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Vegeta - Mon, 01 Jul 2019 06:51:01 EST c20v979J No.408453 Reply
>>408447
Morpheus did say, "She [Oracle] told you what you needed to hear"

What is "The One" other than just another imaginary savior of humanity? How can somebody be The One if they haven't yet saved humanity, and what good is Neo without the help of Morpheus, Trinity, etc...

The Architect created the The Prophecy as a means of controlling the few humans who rejected the Matrix. In the context of The Prophecy, The One is also a lie.

The One as a concept goes much deeper than that. The Architect didn't invent The One so much as use the pre-existing concept as a means to psychologically control humanity. The One is the ultimate hero archetype, the one who redefines what we believe is possible and saves us from annihilation in the darkest of times. Neo is The One not because of some prophecy but because he became The One by setting himself apart and achieving the "impossible". Just as there were Ones before Neo, there will be Ones in the future. The One is just an eternally evolving idea.
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Tommen Baratheon - Fri, 05 Jul 2019 08:35:34 EST 8XWMWqpA No.408546 Reply
>>408280
Nested Matrix theory is SHIT and also NOT confirmed in any way. Fuck off.
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Ruby Rhod - Fri, 05 Jul 2019 10:56:58 EST a8uchvW3 No.408550 Reply
It's always wild to me that some people took the matrix sequels seriously enough to dive into the lore and come up with theories about what's going on.
Literally the only thing I remember from either of them is the line "he's pissing metal"
https://youtu.be/NQ_Y5doajPM
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Sigourney Weaver - Tue, 09 Jul 2019 11:56:15 EST x7Mc3Mwx No.408634 Reply
>>408550
I remember mech suits that offered very little protection for the operator and a dance floor orgy that happened for some stupid reason.
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Al Pacino - Wed, 10 Jul 2019 05:55:38 EST Op3nZujx No.408652 Reply
>>408634
wachowskis gonna wachowski
albino dreadlock whiteboi twins and epic cave raves
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Naboo the Enigma - Sat, 13 Jul 2019 15:42:37 EST f4VDWe7I No.408711 Reply
Revolutions and Reloaded felt kinda rushed to me...
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Gates McFadden - Sat, 13 Jul 2019 16:10:40 EST v4VROWkn No.408713 Reply
>>408711
They're awful movies. Fan edits that combined the two and cut the bloat and retarded shit kind of salvage the stunt and CGI work, but I would never watch the theatrical cuts ever again.
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Duncan MacLeod - Sat, 13 Jul 2019 19:12:19 EST zNWYaT9u No.408730 Reply
>>408634

people talk shit about the orgy but it makes sense man. humanity's last stronghold was being assaulted, they might have gone extinct soon, what better way for the human spirit to cry out for one last roar than a big damn orgy
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Ed Tom Bell - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:09:22 EST Tfiik/bp No.408938 Reply
>>408634
The mechs where like that so if the pilot dies. Someone can easly take hes place. no matter how many glass and steel you would have around you, once a sentinel comes close enough youre fucked.
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Adam West - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:27:51 EST y/nAxKSI No.408941 Reply
There were sequels to the matrix, right? Any of them any good?
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Rectangular Businessman - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:25:01 EST f4VDWe7I No.408943 Reply
>>408941
They were alright (assuming you've also watched Animatrix and played the Enter the Matrix games all the way through), but most people seem to agree that they weren't as good as the original.
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Linda Park - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 00:11:52 EST f7L95w7d No.409024 Reply
Naw they've never said that OP stfu
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Death the Kid - Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:11:06 EST eJE0Q4nR No.409058 Reply
Wasn't that the whole point of the third fucking movie?

Is... this troll?
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Charlie Brown - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 22:51:59 EST AdQxRowX No.409478 Reply
>>408280
It’s been confirmed the blockbuster franchise is returning for a fourth instalment, with original stars including Keanu Reeves and Carrie-Anne Moss reprising their roles as Neo and Trinity.

The sci-fi movie will be directed by longtime Matrix helmer Lana Wachowski and produced by Warner Bros. and Village Roadshow.
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/new-movies/confirmed-matrix-4-starring-keanu-reeves-to-go-ahead/news-story/c0a821bba763c1da4929121e96bc6f8c
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Patrick Stewart - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 05:25:04 EST dS6FZwT+ No.409483 Reply
>>409478
I hope they will do it before the main actors turn into their 60's...
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Tommy Callahan - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 07:30:52 EST Go7f/5gW No.409486 Reply
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>>409483
>main actors turn into their 60's

close but still a few years yet
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Tom Haverford - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 08:26:53 EST 8XWMWqpA No.409490 Reply
Of course a thread with this title gets bumped instead of a new one being made. Nested Matrix theory is garbage and you should feel bad for peddling it.

Worried but cautiously optimistic about the new movie. Neo and Trinity being in it despite dying in Matrix 3 (though I suppose with Neo you could argue otherwise) doesn't inspire a ton of confidence for me, but there are still plenty of ways they could play a role without it being a prequel or sidequel. Maybe a central theme/dilemma of the new movie will be about whether a digital copy of a person can truly be called the same person or not... or maybe the machines can actually resurrect people (that would be kinda lame though imo). Also if they're just gonna bring dead characters back I wonder if that means we could get some more Agent Smith (probably not, bringing him back would arguably undermine the originals even more than bringing back Neo/Trinity already does, but man his character was a great part of the trilogy and had tons of good lines, and he is an integral part of what makes Neo/this One cycle special).

At the very least if it's no good and people generally hate it, appreciation for the sequels should finally start to take some hold with the general public.
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Tinkerbell - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 11:26:36 EST zx1q0Nl5 No.409491 Reply
>>409490
I hope it's going to be a David Lynchian cyberpunk nightmare about layers upon layers upon layers of cyber-gnostic simulations... shit's better getting crazy, Marvel has already prepped the dumbshit general moviegoing public to accept some high-level amounts of crazy in their blockbuster popcorn-muncher flicks.
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Fist Rockbone - Sun, 25 Aug 2019 10:28:19 EST u1KKG0qM No.409575 Reply
Doesn't that mean the Earth is flat? It's in the matrix? its zero's and one's, 2d flat.
Never thought those guys would win.
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Robert Altman - Sun, 25 Aug 2019 10:51:49 EST oa2mmJAW No.409576 Reply
>>409575
What ones and zeroes represent isn't flat, even if the symbols we use to represent them are.
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Dr. David Bowman - Sun, 25 Aug 2019 13:14:43 EST Q5IkeH5y No.409577 Reply
Sounds like a cash grab on behalf of the Wachowskis, but I dont blame Keanu for signing on. Hell, there's no way this would have even been greenlit if not for Keanu bringing the shoot-em-up back in fashion with John Wick
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Fist Rockbone - Sun, 25 Aug 2019 17:26:53 EST u1KKG0qM No.409581 Reply
>>409576
Thanks that makes me feel a little better. Maybe it could be a representative of the money in the world, zero's and one's, everyone follows. Neo's employed in the office.
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Frank Gallagher - Sun, 25 Aug 2019 21:56:48 EST E6YXvgi2 No.409585 Reply
>>409577
>Sounds like a cash grab on behalf of the Wachowskis

No, it's a cash grab by the studio (Warner Bros?). If a studio pulls up a Brinks truck to your house and begs you to make a sequel because the studio is creatively bankrupt then you take the stupid people's money.
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Troy Barnes - Wed, 28 Aug 2019 05:43:45 EST jUyLpfa+ No.409638 Reply
>>409585
Well, Blade Runner 2049 was pretty amazing movie, even tough nobody had any hopes withat movie when it was on it's early production.
It's success had proved that no matter how many years had passed, if you do a right sequel than the ressult will be good.
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Dr. Egon Spengler - Wed, 28 Aug 2019 08:40:00 EST mBDLl9W7 No.409640 Reply
>>409638
There's a big fucking difference between Denis Villeneuve and the Wachowskis.
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Powdered Toast Man - Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:01:01 EST /uy9dA2R No.409643 Reply
>>409638
I do think it's possible to make a good Matrix 4 but they'll have to really do something outstanding. I think that part of the issue with the sequels is that they latched onto things that made the original good but that were short-lived (like world-class special effects and action scenes) rather than things that were long-lived (like focusing on the plot and having real character development). Hopefully hindsight can illuminate what really matters and they can focus on that for a fourth movie.
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Gunter - Wed, 28 Aug 2019 13:27:45 EST 8XWMWqpA No.409644 Reply
>>409640
No knock against Villeneuve, I love his work too and clearly he's able to draw audiences better, but the Wachowskis are world-class filmmakers. I would not for a minute expect a Matrix 4 NOT penned and directed by the Wachowskis to live up to the originals in any way. Still worried about Matrix 4 since I don't think it's at all needed, but the current situation is the only way to have any cautious optimism IMO.
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Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio - Wed, 28 Aug 2019 16:42:28 EST x7Mc3Mwx No.409649 Reply
>Wachowskis are world-class filmmakers

I had to reread that, thinking it was either a typo, or I had misread , or this was another symptom of my ever encroaching insanity.
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Gunter - Wed, 28 Aug 2019 17:30:03 EST 8XWMWqpA No.409651 Reply
>>409647
Cloud Atlas is an absolute masterpiece, most notably.
Both sequels to The Matrix are excellent - the downward trend among them does exist (ie 1 > 2 > 3) but it's a fucking joke how blown out of proportion it is.
TV rather than movie, but Sense8 was also excellent, and if it had gotten the opportunity to run its full planned 5 seasons I think it could have been or at least approached masterpiece-tier.
Speed Racer was good.
Been a long time since I saw V for Vendetta but I remember that being good too.

Their only absolute stinker was Jupiter Ascending (even then, not quite as bad as people say and to its credit it had one really good idea at its center).
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Major Motoko Kusanagi - Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:52:59 EST u1KKG0qM No.409658 Reply
Alien Covenant was the shit. It took it to the next level in space travel ideas.
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Bloodyface - Sat, 21 Sep 2019 22:45:14 EST /jiQd/WY No.410242 Reply
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>>409660
It's a shame that the combined critical and financial failure of that probably put the Wachowskis off doing something like it again. I watched that awful Fist of the North Star movie a while back, and am now picturing The Wachowskis, emboldened by a successful Speed Racer, adapting that or some other hyper-stylized anime series of yesteryear. I'd be more hyped for them doing that than more Matrix.
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Viserys Targaryen - Sun, 22 Sep 2019 02:10:30 EST oCbo4izk No.410247 Reply
>>410243
Yup. 24 years ago and it fucking sucked. The only good thing about the movie was Dante Basco playing Bat and some of the sfx... everything else was terrible.
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Bloodyface - Sun, 22 Sep 2019 03:03:42 EST /jiQd/WY No.410251 Reply
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>>410243
>Someone made a live action Fist of the North Star?

Barely. It's got Vader in it, so it's a viable choice for At the /Wooo/vies.

>>410247
>The only good thing about the movie was Dante Basco playing Bat and some of the sfx... everything else was terrible.

Clint Howard making Clint Howard faces is always good, granted there are probably better things you could watch to see that.
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Totoro - Sun, 22 Sep 2019 22:43:25 EST oCbo4izk No.410272 Reply
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>>410251
>Clint Howard making Clint Howard faces is always good, granted there are probably better things you could watch to see that.

My personal fav is his Beavis w/ glasses look from The Wraith.

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