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Again? Florida hit with school shooting. by Emma Cugglewedging - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:29:18 EST ID:1fIHantD No.165729 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/florida-high-school-shooting/index.html

It's getting old and stale, but here we are again I guess.

Americans are probably getting this event fed by spoon through their TV news networks, but for us eurotrash and miscellanea; some dude decided to kill a bunch of kids. Several persons dead. The suspected killer was caught, still a lot of info needed though.

What is it with America? Why is going to school there more deadly than being at an ongoing radical Islamist terror attack scene in Europe?
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Wesley Fallerfutch - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:35:00 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165730 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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"If only there had been a good guy there with a gun he could have stopped it. The answer is more guns, not less."

I guarantee it.
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Ernest Desslewune - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:38:20 EST ID:FdoSgyZ6 No.165731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165730
Every fucking time hombre.
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Phineas Grandford - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:53:01 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.165733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Let us all pray to the ancient bronze age jewish desert demon of war. That'll help those poor souls that lost their lives.
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Ian Cobblebere - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:43:37 EST ID:/chaUwR0 No.165735 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There have been 22 school shootings in the US since January 1st in 2018. Over 300 school shootings nationwide since 2013.
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Archie Bibberpetch - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:49:35 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.165736 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165735
Good times with weapons in America it seems.
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Ian Cobblebere - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:55:15 EST ID:/chaUwR0 No.165737 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165736
Either live here and be the victim of weapons violence or live outside and be subjugated to our criminal foreign policy.
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Phoebe Bledgestone - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:56:20 EST ID:h8T8I8aK No.165738 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This was clearly an act of terrorism.
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David Clayridge - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:22:28 EST ID:eXxocFRh No.165739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>"We have been liberated. God bless, America," Aidan tweeted after being evacuated from the building.

Oh yeah boy, America sounds so blessed. This shit is so common now it's not even in the news section on the homepage of Wikipedia.
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:26:49 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165740 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165729
Gun issues is very unique in the states. It's embedded into our very culture.
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Nathaniel Pongersterk - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:34:42 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.165741 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/26/kentucky-senator-pitches-bill-to-put-armed-patrols-in-schools-after-shooting

At this point, just send the kids directly to Prison.
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Ian Wecklelet - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:42:05 EST ID:/chaUwR0 No.165742 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165741
How can kids learn in an environment like this?

The next generation of kids are going to be retarded because they have place to get an education
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Hamilton Brirrystock - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:42:49 EST ID:h8T8I8aK No.165743 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165740
>Gun issues is very unique in the states.
>is

Well there you go, international community. It's not that we have too many guns. We have too many idiots.
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George Purringsatch - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:46:32 EST ID:jfJsM2vo No.165744 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Keep making fun and patting yourselves on the backs.
Keep pretending the issue is guns.
Keep pretending this happened pre 1950s (pre ww2).
Keep pretending it's not the school system causing these acts of violence by mistreating human children on a mass scale.
Keep pretending this is just a mystery or that it's guns or jews.

Keep pretending you dirtbag pieces of smug fucking shit.
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Nathaniel Pongersterk - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:47:07 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.165745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165743
Well, there are a lot of countries that have high civilian gun ownership, and don't seem to blow each other away nearly as much.

Hell, here in Canada, the Gun Control debate is mostly "Keeping guns away from suicidal people"
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Cornelius Druppershaw - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:52:42 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165745
The gun industry make billions off this shit.

/thread
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Nathaniel Pongersterk - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:05:08 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.165749 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165746
Heres the thing

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/13/remington-bankruptcy-guns-trump-slump-sales

They Ain't.
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Eliza Pabberfoot - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:05:55 EST ID:TY9OFBDr No.165750 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165741
Pretty sure my high school was built by a prison contractor. From the outside it looks identical to all the local prisons.

And I'm not even in the US.

Maybe it'd be easier just to send all poor people to jail automatically when they turn 18 rather than fucking around with all these psyops and social conditioning meant to maintain an economic underclass?
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Hamilton Brirrystock - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:07:59 EST ID:h8T8I8aK No.165751 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165746
True. Gun sales went way up after Sandy Hook. Though that could just be attributed to folks who were worried about retaliation from vengeful first graders.
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Jarvis Follermudge - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:08:16 EST ID:oq1g2LP6 No.165752 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165744
This tbh fam. Schools in the US aren't fit for children, they are resembling prisons more and more every year.
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Ernest Tootspear - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:10:49 EST ID:J+DByIsS No.165754 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165744
Yeah, school really fucks people in the head. American school kids are so fucked we predict which kids will shoot up our school based on how much they're made fun of. There were about 10 kids that I thought would shoot up our school cause how bad they were treated. We made jokes about them shooting our school up. Surprised it never happened.
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Cyril Tillingwater - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:16:16 EST ID:QzJugbZu No.165755 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165752
It's not by coincidence but design. Please spread this information. It needs to be a meme before it enters public discourse and things change. I swear the schools are the key. We fix the schools and everything will start to straighten out. I feel it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_model_school
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Priscilla Biffingman - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 20:46:18 EST ID:aM4BFevL No.165756 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165743
Fuck. I don't know whether to post a "When You See It" or a "He's Right You know." Both seem appropriate.
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:00:32 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165758 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165743
It's not a matter of "too many idiots". It's a situation in which person A notices that person B is getting a gun, so person A decides also buys one, and does so for protection. Americans see guns as a tool that solves problems. It's very cyclical in practice.

Regulations might help somewhat, but it goes deeper than there being too many guns in the hands of civilians.
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Priscilla Biffingman - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:09:43 EST ID:aM4BFevL No.165759 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165758
Yeah, clearly this kid just got his assault rifle because he saw someone else getting one.
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:17:52 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165761 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165759
That may not be too far from the truth... Guns are glamorized in the USA.

It doesn't help that we have a piss poor healthcare system that leaves too many people undiagnosed and untreated for mental disorders.
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Priscilla Biffingman - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:22:10 EST ID:aM4BFevL No.165762 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165761
>That may not be too far from the truth... Guns are glamorized in the USA.

Read about the guy's history with the school before making dumb statements, guy.

>It doesn't help that we have a piss poor healthcare system that leaves too many people undiagnosed and untreated for mental disorders.

Much better. Stick with this line of thinking.
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:29:23 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165763 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165762
Are you saying the mentally ill aren't impressionable?
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Priscilla Biffingman - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:35:26 EST ID:aM4BFevL No.165764 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165763
Didn't I just tell you to read up on the guy's history?
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Phoebe Drommleridge - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:42:58 EST ID:cHMLxVSH No.165765 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165761
The ones that are treated are usually mistreated, and abused. Very few who even receive it at all, benefit.
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:44:19 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165766 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165764
Sounds pretty typical, what about it? Sounds exactly like the type that would watch gun porn and glamorize school shootings.

It's a shame no one screened him earlier.
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Eliza Pabberfoot - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:47:35 EST ID:TY9OFBDr No.165767 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165755
You're right, but the fact that schools are actively going backwards with shit like police presence and Common Core implies that there's a power structure at work which is intentionally undermining the public.

It's tempting to think this is just the result of a mounting cycle of stupidity, but remember how much the corporate-owned mass media has contributed to the shooting->oppression->shooting loop. They get blamed for "glamorising" shooters, but the concrete outcome of their efforts has been metal detectors, invasive searches and pat-downs of children, and the further marginalisation of already alienated kids by a culture cultivated by the system itself.
The media is accused of doing this for profit motives, but if the last two years of media chaos has taught you anything it should be that their activities are actually highly politically-motivated.

They're actively sewing distrust and fear, and stripping away the rights of kids while they're too young to have a baseline for government overreach into their personal freedoms. They're normalising what would be illegal searches in the outside world, while spending the first conscious decade of their life in an environment indistinguishable from a dystopic hell.

And this is happening uniformly over a massive population which is *supposed* to be divided into dozens of semi-independent states specifically for the purpose of political diversity. As an outsider it's really clear that there are top-down objectives at work coordinating this, so while yeah, schools are the root of a LOT of snowballing social issues which would be cured by repairing them, they aren't the absolute root of the problem and trying to fix them is futile as long as they're being deliberately sabotaged.
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:47:41 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165768 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165765
I'm not sure how true it is that they are mistreated, but I suppose that may be possible with our backwards healthcare system. If you are lucky enough to see someone, you may be seeing someone that's overwhelmed and becomes cold or even stigmatizing of their patients.

I'm uncertain as to the efficacy of mental healthcare in general, but I would think it would be better to give someone suffering from bipolar some sort of medicine that could stabilize them than not getting anything at all.
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:50:18 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165769 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165767
Do you have any book recommendations that tackles this issue?
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Priscilla Biffingman - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:50:52 EST ID:aM4BFevL No.165770 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165766
>Not allowed to carry a backpack at school
>Disturbing social media posts
>typical

Someone needs to warn your school ASAP.
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:52:11 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165771 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165770
Typical of school shooters*
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Jack Druffingkat - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:08:53 EST ID:uLtCUggj No.165772 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165771
if you thought before you posted that would've been a smoother discussion
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:19:18 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165774 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165772
Well, it's contextually clear. It's obvious that I wasn't saying that it's normal to have disturbing thoughts of murder. The guy just wants to be an asshole for some reason instead of actually having a conversation with a person.
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Eliza Pabberfoot - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:22:09 EST ID:TY9OFBDr No.165775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165768
>I'm not sure how true it is that they are mistreated
Try having a political disagreement with a cop who can't find an excuse to arrest you and take a tour of a mental ward for yourself.

If you've seen Cuckoo's Nest: turns out that shit wasn't exaggerating at all. It's fucking medieval.
More controversially, there's a lot of issues with the modern mental health paradigm as a whole. Seriously flawed methodology, corporate interference, and political motivations underpin the whole thing. It'd be nice to think we have a scientific handle on this stuff but in reality we're still banging rocks together and things have barely progressed past the point where people thought severing the frontal lobe with an ice pick was a good remedy for minor inconveniences.

But it's a useful catch-all for society's messy problems, a great way to avoid personal responsibility, and incredibly profitable, which is why infants who can't speak yet are being prescribed antidepressants.
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Jack Druffingkat - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:39:04 EST ID:uLtCUggj No.165776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165774
not really contextually clear as the other poster told you to read up on the kid. i did and there's nothing to indicate the glamorization of guns influenced him to do what he did
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:40:31 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165777 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165775
I admittedly don't know much about this subject other than passing knowledge and anecdotes. I once had to visit my grandmother at the 'behavioral unit' at a hospital and it looked awful. It turns out that contracting a urinary tract infection causes psychosis in the elderly. So my grandmother was placed into the BU, and when visiting her, I peeked inside her rooms. It turns out that it's overcrowded and exceptionally lacking in necessities. The staff must be sure that the patients have nothing sharp, and doing anything like shaving is a major ordeal that requires direct monitoring.

Thinking back, I could remember a documentary and thinking how awful it would be to have a mental illness and treated with the limited help that can be offered.

Basically, neuroscience research consists of studying brain scans, which does give away how little we know. The instruments to even study the brain is limited in of itself.

I saw this interesting interview that talked about how no one really needs anti-depressants because there really is no evidence of "chemical imbalance" in the first place. With the Hamilton Scale, anti-depressants may bump you up around 8 points (out of around 72. 72 being bliss). Although those 8 points may be helpful, it doesn't give you what you really need to become happier.

In this same interview, people that have a sense of control in their workplace, are happier as a result. Most people, around 80%, hate their jobs, and if they aren't depressed, are "sleepwalking" (I think that's the term). It's not so much the job but whether or not you have control in the workplace. If you are part of a group in which they separate duties and give you some autonomy, and not just bowing your head down and listening to your boss, this also bumps you up on the Hamilton scale.
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:45:26 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165778 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165776
He assumed that I didn't, but it really doesn't matter.

>i did and there's nothing to indicate the glamorization of guns influenced him to do what he did

That's an assumption on my part, but his desire to start collecting guns must have started from a place other than his illness. Again, an assumption. That's what I was pondering from the start.
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Simon Sittingbit - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 22:55:04 EST ID:aJE/NlCZ No.165779 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165778
It shows that you didn't. Stop assuming and start reading. No one here is a mind reader and even if they were your's wouldn't be the first. You came across as trying to dismiss this tragedy as part of a gun culture. It's an idiot culture, and you've done nothing to dispel that.
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:01:43 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165781 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165779

No one was dismissing anything. I'm sorry if that's the impression that I gave off.

Honestly, no ones showed it's either gun culture or idiot culture ITT. Everyone's just snowballing what they think happened.
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Esther Gullerforth - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:31:52 EST ID:a8mNWrx+ No.165782 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165781
The Canadian guy did. They keep their guns away from idiots. Gun control demonstrably reduced school shootings in Australia. Guns, idiots, or idiots with guns, America's got problems.
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Edward Trotson - Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:51:51 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165784 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165782

True enough.
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Augustus Nondlewater - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 01:09:06 EST ID:gEhNx81P No.165785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
so far ive seen 1 wikipedia link and spooky references to prison and common core. can you guys offer more concrete examples of how the american school system is fucking up kids? i am not saying it doesn't i just want to flesh out some of these talking points
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Samuel Semmerridge - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:26:23 EST ID:e2f/Ch+S No.165786 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165785

Kind of related, but I think it adds some context thttp://people.uncw.edu/ricej/Intro/Kindergarten%20as%20Boot%20Camp%20by%20Harry%20Gracey.pdf

http://themindcircle.com/prisons-high-schools-built-way/


>>165754
I wonder how much better off I would have been if I was not terrified of sharing my problems.
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Shitting Cabblekack - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:42:53 EST ID:jajGWUvR No.165787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165785
The American school system just lets kids slip through the cracks. It feels like a slaughterhouse or some other kind of mill where you're just pushed through. You get some good teachers but a lot of them are just trying to make sure you move where you're supposed to.
I had straight A's my first 2 years of high school. Excellent grades, top 5% of my class then suddenly had some shit going on junior year and started missing a lot of school. You would think that when something like that happens somebody would take notice and call me in to talk about it, but not even that happened. And it was on the school record, the messed up shit that was going on with me. I got called in for an incident and they helped to kinda clear it up, but they knew. It was a pretty clear cut and dry case of when maybe someone should intervene but absolutely nothing was said or done and they just allowed me to drop out without a word. Now I realize that intervention possibly wouldn't have helped, but still. And this wasn't some inner city school, this was a 5A pretty nice suburb school.

That's just one example of how the system fails. It fails in lots of other ways too. It's generally the ones that need the help the most that are totally neglected by it while all the ones that are doing well get the most out of the system.
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Shitting Cabblekack - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 03:54:48 EST ID:jajGWUvR No.165788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165787
This is not even mentioning the problems created by other students and enabled by staff.

In 99% of schools bullying is rampant and goes ignored. The prevailing logic is "boys will be boys" and "they're gonna do it when we turn our backs anyways" so nothing is done when a kid is clearly being tormented, enabled by defeatist attitude of the people that are supposed to be their guardians.

If a no tolerance attitude is taken this shit could get taken care of quick. Teachers and staff are just scared of having to get their hands dirty so they just watch it happen. Frankly, I'm not sure how some of these shitty teachers and staff sleep at night, because I've seen some pretty messed up shit and teachers looking the other way.

They make it out like "oh the kid will be alright, it's just a little bullying, it'll build character" but if that kid has some kind of underlying psychological issues or maybe some trouble at home, you never know what he/she will do.

A 3rd grader that I went to elementary school with hung himself in the nurse's bathroom with a belt. He was being bullied. How bad must it have been for a kid even come to decide to hang himself at such a young age? How is it possible that something so traumatic was happening to a kid under their watch that they didn't know. I doubt they didn't. Their policy of letting it slide literally kills kids every year.
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Fucking Clashstock - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 04:53:52 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.165789 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So websites like Infowars and (alt)right Twitterers are trying to convince people the shooter was a muslim (based on sarcastic "allah akbar" posts and the fact that his last name is Cruz), while the guy talked on social media about glamorizing Elliot Rodger, killing antifa and wore a "Make America Great Again" hat.

Really makes you think, doesn't it?
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Samuel Huckleforth - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 05:05:49 EST ID:NSHJykeG No.165790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165789
Does it? It almost sounds familiar because of how it is so typical of the two sided absolutest political shitfest that is killing the USA. People are trying to bring that 'left-wing right-wing" shit to my country now too and I hate it. Politics isn't that simple.
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Clara Sodgewell - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 06:45:09 EST ID:1fIHantD No.165791 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165789

Another Infowars article wanted to peg him a democratic voter. They'd somehow gotten hold of the registry of a 'Nicolas Cruz'. Note how a 'c' isn't a 'k' though, the perp's name is in fact Nikolas.

They're just desperate to not get him pegged as their own.
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Albert Sirryforth - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 06:46:30 EST ID:3aai05PY No.165792 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165788
>The prevailing logic is "boys will be boys" and "they're gonna do it when we turn our backs anyways" so nothing is done when a kid is clearly being tormented, enabled by defeatist attitude of the people that are supposed to be their guardians.
It's been a long time since I was that young, but I thought the issue was more about a sense of hopelessness instilled in the victims of bullies. If you report it, it's ignored and you're a loser. If you defend yourself at all, you're punished the same as the bully. So bullies will pick on kids just to make the administration do damage.

Not sure if it's still the same, but if it is it's no wonder kids want to shoot people. Not sure what's going on with all the deranged adults here recently though.
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Nicholas Blallytit - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:59:58 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.165793 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Guys, it's ok. I just prayed that this will never happen again. I can't believe we didn't think to just do this before, but now that I prayed for this to never happen again, it won't.

In lieu of thanking me, you may donate to my Paypal
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Henry Fezzleford - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:17:20 EST ID:OJI190p6 No.165794 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165793
Thots and pears.
But on the real, I don’t know what we can do about school shootings besides treating a school like an airport in terms of security. I don’t see how changing gun laws would accomplish anything, and I’m honestly pretty tired of the Dems constantly blaming the NRA. Their whole “Well ban all guns or the blood is on your hands” stance accomplished nothing.
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Henry Fezzleford - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:19:17 EST ID:OJI190p6 No.165795 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165790
It’s divide and conquer tactics. They want to keep us weak by creating a vast rift between the 25% of the USA voting red and the 25% of the country voting blue. It’s so sad. If both sides agreed to meet in the middle instead of having a win/lose mentality, we’d move forward as a country significantly.
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Esther Gullerforth - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:27:21 EST ID:a8mNWrx+ No.165796 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165794
>I don’t know what we can do about school shootings
https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1823016659
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Edward Trotson - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:12:20 EST ID:O7R8jdys No.165797 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165790
In the US, it is that simple, unfortunately. You can't vote for the right because they are literally insane, and you can't vote for the third party because they won't win. That only leaves you with voting Democrat which is fret with it's own corruption, just a milder form of it. The best that can be done is some internal reform. The right successfully does it all the time, and Bernie pushed the citizens further left.


>>165789

Really tickles the ole' synapses
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Eliza Packlenit - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 11:23:18 EST ID:AVMlG+F9 No.165798 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165794
I don't see how "changing gun laws" is equivalent to "Well ban all guns." Is this the pushed NRA narrative? It's a good way to ensure nothing is accomplished.
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Isabella Pingerspear - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:15:17 EST ID:oalEhgRL No.165799 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165798
Nothing will ever get accomplished and your children will continue to die.
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Graham Cherryforth - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:16:47 EST ID:h5H0ijAD No.165800 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/nikolas-cruz-fbi-warned/index.html

Pretty scary that apparently even the FBI couldn't track down a Youtube user. I doubt the kid was on a VPN, he likely made the comment on his phone which should have made it even easier to track him down and interview him. They could have seen he had purchased an AR-15. Senseless violence may have been prevented has someone just done their job correctly.
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Cornelius Druppershaw - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 13:40:53 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165804 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The kid was a fucking NAZI.

https://www.adl.org/blog/florida-white-supremacist-group-admits-ties-to-alleged-parkland-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz

Just another Kekistani loser deciding to impress 4Skins.

THIS is why he was overlooked. The FBI has refuses to class these people as the terrorist threat they are. They could have tracked him down...they just didn't want to.
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Nicholas Blallytit - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 13:41:48 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.165805 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165798
It is their pushed agenda. 2A people's brains shut down the moment you say gun control. They just hear "every gun is going to be banned and the government is going to take all my guns". You can't have a discussion with them, and most of them are single issue voters.
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Edward Fibberwell - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:41:01 EST ID:rUgi28Xe No.165807 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165799
Our American children will continue to die until more Americans own and use guns properly. We need to implement guns back into school curriculums.

Why do I say this? Because A) more gun control won’t impact the number of school shootings, and B) guarding schools like an airport would stop school shootings however it would cost a shit load of money and it would make shooters go for other targets, targets with less security.

Really, the only way to win is to arm and train so many Americans so that every shooter is so scared of opening fire in public that they change their mind and don’t do it.
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Fuck Ciddleline - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:46:41 EST ID:FdoSgyZ6 No.165809 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165807
>American children will continue to die

Maybe this is the over-population control that America needed all along. Repubs are too stubborn to give up their convenience-tools of death? the direct result is everybody's kids suffer.

Making America great again means killing off the next generation I guess.
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Edward Fibberwell - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:50:48 EST ID:rUgi28Xe No.165811 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165809
I mean, real-talk I don’t care. There are 340 million Americans, and like 20 die in school shootings each year, 100 die from police shootings in a year, while like 50,000 Americans die in alcohol related incidents each year. Really makes you think when you start considering the actual numbers.
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Frederick Brongertack - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:53:15 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165813 Report Quick Reply
>>165807

>so that every shooter is so scared of opening fire in public that they change their mind and don’t do it.

Little problem with your logic here. Many of them go out of their way to make sure they die in the process. They aren't scared of getting shot, many of them shoot themselves.
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Fuck Ciddleline - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:54:28 EST ID:FdoSgyZ6 No.165814 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165811
>Really makes you think when you start considering the actual numbers.

So you're saying school shootings as a form of over-population control isn't efficient enough?
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Esther Forringdock - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 14:59:34 EST ID:X8hG6q2c No.165816 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165813
I guess that leaves killing them first as our only solution, no joke. But really, innocent fun fatalities would probably increase if there were way more gun owners.

Realistically speaking, school shootings can’t be fixed at this point in time no matter what we do. And even if we did fix the problem, we’d create more problems and kill more people, so our efforts would be essentially worthless. Maybe the day will come when technology can give us some real solutions. Perhaps we could have DNA identification on guns as well as like a global gps that sees where guns are firing, something that could render guns useless when they’re somewhere they don’t belong. But short of that, there is no answer that won’t just get more people killed in the process.
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Eliza Packlenit - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:10:40 EST ID:AVMlG+F9 No.165821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165816
That would require the confiscation of all current guns. Good luck with that, fascist scum
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Fuck Ciddleline - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:27:30 EST ID:FdoSgyZ6 No.165823 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165821
>fascist to take guns away from people who honestly don't need them and will never actually use them for their intended purpose of "self defense".

In all honesty, we should go the way of Australia, we don't need these guns, they do more harm than good and only perpetuate mongoloid gun culture. What are you so afraid of will happen if guns are confiscated even? that the GUVMINT will seize all of your property and line you up for execution? Maybe in a fascist right-wing controlled government maybe, the far right seem to be the folk with the idea in their heads that they are 'gods chosen' and everybody else is a dirty heathen who's lives are worth less than dirt because they don't fellate themselves to the idea of being staunch god-fearing patriots.

The fact of thew matter is, even when somebody procures a gun illegally or legally, nobody else with a gun really helps because nobody expects to just be spontaneously shot at at all times, and even if they are, if they're shot first by some maniac or if anybody else is shot, they're fucked, no preventative measures involving civilians with guns will ever stop a gunman surprising crowds of people with gunfire and causing casualties.

You'd have to be fucking telepathic to genuinely stop these kind of shootings. Good luck with your self defense that you'll never need to utilize until it's already too late.
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Esther Gullerforth - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:34:55 EST ID:a8mNWrx+ No.165824 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165807
>Really, the only way to win is to arm and train so many Americans so that every shooter is so scared of opening fire in public that they change their mind and don’t do it.

Being armed and trained didn't help this guy.
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Jarvis Follermudge - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:37:15 EST ID:oq1g2LP6 No.165825 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165821
>>165807
>Their gonna take our gunz rabble rabble rabble!!!
>I know a solution lets just give everyone a gun lol yea that will work
I wondered when your types would get here.

Honestly though, neither armed guards in our schools nor increasing gun control is going to resolve the underlying problems here. The fact is that these kids continue to slip through the cracks. This one had been flagged by both the school and law enforcement and being potentially dangerous, and what was done about it? The kid was even institutionalized and still someone thought it would be fine to release him back into the public. Law enforcement again failed us when they allowed someone who had been flagged as a threat and had a history of mental illness to go out and buy firearms. How long will it take before we start taking these threats seriously? Putting on my tinfoil hat for a minute but it almost seems like the authorities turn a blind eye on purpose. If its not that then there is for sure some serious incompetence at every level.
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Clara Sodgewell - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:49:51 EST ID:1fIHantD No.165826 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165807

>Guns
>Guns
>Guns

Why the fuck are guns always the focus when something like this happens, America?

Something is turning your school kids into mass murderers.
Maybe it's something dark deep within your culture, something about how the school system is set up or something else equally complicated. But oi fuck that guns are where it's at, right?

Jesus Christ the gun legislation thing is a red herring. This isn't hard to comprehend. Breivik got his semi on a hunting license, and Norway has some very stringent gun laws.
I'd like America to take a long and hard look at itself, but that's just not something you people are capable of is it?
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John Shittingwell - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 16:59:04 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.165828 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165823
>Maybe in a fascist right-wing controlled government maybe
Yes, it would be terrible if we had a right-wing controlled government that enacted fascist policies and looked the other way while blacks, union workers, communists, or Japs are murdered.
Good thing it could never happen here.
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Cornelius Druppershaw - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:53:21 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165829 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165826
>Why the fuck are guns always the focus when something like this happens, America?

Because we are the only country that lets anyone, anywhere, for any reason buy military grade weapons with no questions asked.

The solution is, at this point, boycotts.

If people boycotted Florida as a state, and ESPECIALLY Disney products, Florida might change their crazy-ass gun laws.
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George Peckleham - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:13:29 EST ID:KVr1re1t No.165830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165755
>We fix the schools and everything will start to straighten out.
You're forgetting about the initial public mass-killing in the US at a Post Office by an employee there after reforms.

>>165767 Different teaching methods that are refreshing and encourage the student to be an engaged critical thinker can be an oasis in an authoritarian desert. >>165769 Rethinking Schools is a periodical for progressive teachers.

Perhaps the root is alienation, nihilism, and narcissism. Cured by cooperative non-hierarchical federations of people centered around skills, hobbies, and locality; by changing one's way of thinking through healthy social cues, safety, structure, and mirrorring by parental guardians, social peers, and on and on, and through a grounding in what is real -- nature and human society; and also by freeing up people's time: less employment, more leisure, arts, public service, and experimentation, so cheaper cost of general necessities, hence a transition to a post-capitalist society. There's plenty of holes as to the problem and the solution, but I think these kinds of ideas are onto something good and possible.
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Nathaniel Pongersterk - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:17:16 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.165831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165829
>Because we are the only country that lets anyone, anywhere, for any reason buy military grade weapons with no questions asked.


If you mean automatic firearms, then no, you can't.
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Augustus Nondlewater - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:28:24 EST ID:gEhNx81P No.165833 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Perhaps it's the fervent, zealous promotion of the self, and the ego, as the greatest of all treasures. Fulfilling one's desires, and expectations. "Self-actualization" being the height of existence in western thinking. Dog eat dog, man versus man, me versus you. Bootstrap individualism. The noble frontiersman carving out his solitary stake on the land, fuck any and all who would challenge this. Immediate gratification, speed, convenience, even the political echobubbles are symptomatic of this root egoic way of thought. Every politician, runs on their personal qualities, primarily hinges on what makes them as an individual a good choice, rather than speaking of the collective benefits they would effect.

Makes me think of that BBC article, "how the east and west think differently"; there was a small experiment done with American vs. Chinese gradeschool students where they were asked to draw a simple diagram relating themselves and their friends. Almost exclusively, the American kids first drew a big, central circle to represent themselves, then lines branching out to smaller circles representing their friends. Almost exclusively, the Chinese kids drew a series of equally sized circles, representing themselves and their friends. Am I saying it is wrong to think of one's personal needs and wishes? Only a fool would think something like that. But for it to be the sole purpose of culture, society, and life itself? Maybe this is where dissonance takes hold in certain individuals where they justify violence due to perceived slights against their glorious righteous ego.
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Ernest Denkinstone - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:29:26 EST ID:6h+RcWl7 No.165835 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165829

>>Because we are the only country that lets anyone, anywhere, for any reason buy military grade weapons with no questions asked.

That isn't true. Heard of a FOID? Serial numbers on guns?
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Esther Gullerforth - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:34:47 EST ID:a8mNWrx+ No.165836 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165831
That's clearly not what he meant as he said "military grade weapons," i.e. the popular AR-15.
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Concerned citizen - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:36:44 EST ID:6h+RcWl7 No.165839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165836
Have you tried to buy one?
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Priscilla Honeylock - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:59:50 EST ID:Hyu3wb9/ No.165842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165836
What did he mean when he said no questions asked?
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Frederick Honeybury - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:07:54 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165843 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165842
That nobody is checking jack shit.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/us/ar15-mass-shootings-guns.html
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Ebenezer Billerpick - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:09:04 EST ID:AVMlG+F9 No.165844 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165842
Probably background check for the buyer. Do you imagine he may have meant the clerk asking if they'd wanted to upgrade to full auto? Is buying a gun in the states like McDonalds supersizing?
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Betsy Favingham - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:11:55 EST ID:fIz9xdLH No.165845 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165836

There is really nothing about the AR-15 that makes it a "military grade weapon" though, aside from superficial aspects like aesthetics/shape. You could buy something most people would call a "hunting rifle" like a Mini-14 (pic related), a weapon with the exact same potential for killing multiple people (.223, accepts 30+rd mags, semi-auto) but it doesn't scare people. Similarly, at the ranges most shootings take place, a simple pistol carbine would probably be equally if not more deadly (9mm rounds tend not to over-penetrate at extreme close range like most commercial .223, have far less recoil, and allow far more ammunition to be carried on the person for the same weight). The gun in question isn't really the issue here.

I'm with >>165826, this gun legislation debate that always pops up seems like a red herring to me. The problem is half cultural, half mental health (and specifically the abysmal, third world state of America's mental health care infrastructure). This guy was fucked in the head and grew up in a culture that assigns great stigma to mental health disorders, and makes it incredibly hard to get adequate help with them.

Everyone just wants it to be a gun legislation issue because it means less work for them: foist it on congress, and ignore the issues in our culture that create these situations to begin with. There are a lot of guns in many other western countries and yet they don't have these issues: hell, in Switzerland virtually every single young adult make has an automatic rifle in their home as a result of conscription policies, and yet you don't see spree killings in Switzerland every 3-4 months.
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Betsy Favingham - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:14:10 EST ID:fIz9xdLH No.165846 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165845

*adult male
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Frederick Honeybury - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:16:41 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165847 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165845
Fuck you and your "well, TECHNICALLY this is..." bullshit.

People own them because they look cool and they can play soldier on their day off. Shit, they market the guns that way.

Oh, and the Swiss changed their gun laws after some of their militia members offed themselves with them. So, yeah, read up you NRA cock gobbler.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/switzerland.php
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Frederick Honeybury - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:18:37 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165848 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165845
Also, this...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/switzerland/9777094/Gunman-kills-three-in-Swiss-town.html
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Shit Hugglefuck - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:19:21 EST ID:Wo5Hx8vq No.165850 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165845
But the people who have the power to actually fix the problem have no incentive to actually fix the problem as long as it can be used in a political tug-of-war.
Besides, the US is incapable of even fixing problems where all they have to is throw money at it. Do you really think it is capable of fixing a nuanced, difficult problem that would not only require tremendous amounts of funds but an actual reorientation of culture?

Nope, it will never happen. Mass shootings will continue in the US until some sort of futuristic defensive technology comes about that makes automatic rifles less effective weapons.
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Frederick Honeybury - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:29:00 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165854 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165850
They are on track to get worse. Thanks to the new "GUNS ERRY'WHERE!" law that the Senate is poised to pass, any resident of a state gets to take all their gun laws with them when they travel.

So, you could be in New York and some shit heel from Texas can walk around with 2 AR-15s with 100 round magazines on them and the cops won't be able to do shit. The carnage is gonna ramp up then. Especially among the Alt-Right crowd. Why run over someone in your car when you can kill 100 liberals with your Remington Child Killer 5000 Super Tactical!
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Betsy Favingham - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:41:20 EST ID:fIz9xdLH No.165855 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165847

>Fuck you and your "well, TECHNICALLY this is..." bullshit.

You're right, why be technically correct when I can get all emotional and throw an illogical hissy fit like you.

>People own them because they look cool and they can play soldier on their day off.

So you're agreeing with me. There is nothing about an AR-15 that makes it more deadly than any other gun most people would call a "hunting rifle" and so any attempt to legislate harder purchases of what idiots call "military grade weapons" will accomplish nothing insofar as making people safer.

> Oh, and the Swiss changed their gun laws after some of their militia members offed themselves with them.

Members of their military still keep their guns in their homes, and this hasn't changed. They're typically not issued ammo anymore, although buying .223 ammo in Switzerland isn't hard, and furthermore they're allowed to keep their issued rifle after they leave the service. They also have one of the highest rates of personal gun ownership in the EU, at 24 guns per 100 citizens. Still much lower than the US, but not nearly enough to account for the disparity in gun homicides between the two countries.

The point is that their access to actual military-grade rifles (see: fully automatic) is far higher than access to them in the United States, and yet they don't have our issues. What is different is that the owners of these weapons are screened for mental health issues (through the military, in this case) and their mental health care is better than ours. See the problem, now?

>So, yeah, read up you NRA cock gobbler.

It seems like you're the one who needs to read up. Also, I've never even owned a single gun in my life, nice strawman thogh. I'm just not dumb enough to get swept up in this retarded "ban *specific scary looking black rifle*, that'll stop spree killers!" logic that people espouse every time a tragedy like this occurs.

>>165848

Shooting deaths happen on literally every continent except maybe Antarctica (and I'm not even sure of that), but the rate of gun homicides in Switzerland is incredibly low, and lower even than many European countries with stricter gun laws.
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Frederick Honeybury - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:49:23 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165856 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165855
Lower, except for those massacres they had.

But, why go with the facts...
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Thomas Ballystock - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:51:34 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165857 Report Quick Reply
>>165855

>There is nothing about an AR-15 that makes it more deadly than any other gun most people would call a "hunting rifle"

Not correct. The AR 15 fires a more powerful round than most hunting rifles, has a larger magazine capacity, a greater rate of fire. It is not a "hunting rifle" it is a weapon of war. That is what it was designed for. It also doesn't take too much to make the civilian AR 15 a fully automatic weapon, via bump stocks or buying "unfinished" parts that can be finished at a home workbench and fitted to the rifle to skirt regulations.
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Frederick Honeybury - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:53:22 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165858 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165857
And we all know what bump stocks can do...

INB4 (Bumps stocks don't work)
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Betsy Favingham - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:06:30 EST ID:fIz9xdLH No.165859 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165856

If 3 people dying 4 years ago is your most relevant argument for why Switzerland is some firearm murder-capitol of Europe, then the one here with a tenuous relationship with "facts" is yourself. The "facts" here are that Switzerland has a very low rate of gun homocide, even compared to other European countries with stricter gun laws. Unless you can refute that (which you can't, because you're arguing with emotion instead of logic), then I'm done engaging with you.

>>165857

Again, that is demonstrably incorrect. Many weapons people would call "hunting rifles" (like the Mini-14 posted above) can accept the same 30+rd magazines an AR-15 pattern rifle can. Also, .223 is actually a very weak cartridge compared to most actual "hunting rifle" cartridges. Even .308 (the lower end of what would be considered acceptable for hunting white tailed deer) has twice as much kinetic energy (.223 is 1100-1300 foot pounds depending on the specific bullet, .308 is 2500-2800 foot pounds).

The .223 round was developed to offer soldiers the ability to carry a larger amount of ammo than the .30 rounds of the time, and to offer body armor penetration at longer ranges (400+m). It is actually far from ideal for close range shootouts; like I said before, pistol-caliber rounds offer similar and often superior wound profiles at extreme close ranges (particularly if using hollow-point or jacketed soft point ammunition), and have far less felt recoil when fired from a pistol carbine, while also offering far more ammunition for the weight carried than .223. The only reason the AR-15 pattern is so popular is because it's cheap and iconic. Banning it would actually push spree killers (who aren't going to be dissuaded simply because their favorite type of gun is outlawed) to use more dangerous weapons.

Banning a "scary black army rifle" like an AR-15 isn't even so much as a band-aid solution, it's purely aesthetic and offers no more safety. The problem is mental health screening, overall mental health care accessibility and a culture of mental disorder stigmatizing.
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Lydia Gunderson - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:12:31 EST ID:1fIHantD No.165860 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165847
>>165848

>Not getting the point.

There's something wrong with the US, where school kids "suddenly" becomes mass murderers.

This is not an issue about how that kid decided to shoot up the school, but didn't because he couldn't get a hold of a gun.

To go that mile that's required to try your hand at the leader-board, you need some serious and long-term conditioning as well as some underlying psychological issue. These killings are not affectionate murders where some dude got so angry he just had to end somebody's life. These are premeditated to the extent that none of us can truly understand the malicious intent of the perpetrators.

School kids simply don't kill just like that. And yet America has the majority by far. And we're not talking about compared to other Western nations, we're talking compared to shithole anarchies where weapons are everywhere like Somalia or hell even Mexico.

School massacres are uniquely American. That is a fact. There's something uniquely American that's driving this phenomena, and liberal weapon laws are not uniquely American you dolt.
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Cedric Foddlestit - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:15:13 EST ID:KjdZJ104 No.165861 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165787

Pretty accurate.

Total system breakdown here.

Shooter's dad dies a few years back, his mom died this past thanksgiving, hes showing several red flags, drops out, has to move in with a friend, worked at a dollar tree. High school expels him...

> good luck in life kid

not justifying what he did, many face similar struggles, but damn i just feel like some sort of social services or counseling or anything could have helped this kid

no family, no education, no stable home, shit future ahead of him, probably felt like life had fucked him, rejected social outcast, workin at the fuckin dollar tree.

I usually lean gun control but this was system breakdown and a culture issue imo.
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Frederick Honeybury - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:16:19 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165862 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165859
Once you fall into technical minutiae, the game is over.

The NRA crowd manages to kill yet another discussion by delving into technical bullshit that doesn't fucking matter.

How about this you fucking gun fapper, ONLY bolt actions on rifles. PERIOD.

That is a regulation I could get behind. 5 shot magazine limit. Bolt action. That way, you don't have some cunt throwing on a bump stock and slaughtering people like cattle at a high rate of speed. Slow the fuckers down a bit. Also, would make hunting more sporting.

There ya fucking go.

THe fact is, we can't handle our guns. We need to cripple these things because you gun fappers just had to go and cosplay in the woods and now we are awash with instruments of death.
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Betsy Favingham - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:24:50 EST ID:fIz9xdLH No.165864 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165862

>Once you fall into technical minutiae, the game is over.

For your argument it is, yes. I have proven that there is nothing about an AR-15 that makes it more dangerous than same caliber hunting rifle or a pistol carbine that carries even more rounds. This wholly refutes your "ban the scary black rifle" premise.

>The NRA crowd manages to kill yet another discussion by delving into technical bullshit that doesn't fucking matter.

Again, nice attempt at a strawman, but I'm not a member of any gun club nor have I ever owned even a single gun.

>How about this you fucking gun fapper, ONLY bolt actions on rifles. PERIOD.

Are you really so naive you think that will solve the problem? Even if you somehow flipped a switch and all guns in the world disappeared, people with mental health problems can just make bombs (which, particularly with the internet, are trivial to make) or just rent a fucking U-Haul and will still be able to accomplish double digit spree killings.

The irony here is that you are the one obsessed with technical minutiae like which particular gun someone spree kills with, while ignoring the fact that the problem isn't down to which technical method by which they accomplish the killing, but the lacking mental health care in our country that produces so many people that want to spree kill in the first place.
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Edward Sannerstone - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:27:19 EST ID:wNZunkO1 No.165865 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165862
I'm pretty sure you can mill most parts of an AR-15 with cheap CNC hardware. No skill, no training, and it's just going to get easier and cheaper. People who want gun control need to figure out what that looks like when your neighbor's kid has 24/7 access to a gun factory.
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Lydia Gunderson - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:33:15 EST ID:1fIHantD No.165866 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165864

The AR-15 is kinda funny in this respect. No one who want a rifle for hunting would by an AR-15, but technically an AR-15 semi is no different than a semi Ruger rifle, which is a popular hunting rifle at least where I live.

In my country 50 cal rifles are legal because that's what you need to hunt moose. Yet anything that even smells auto is strictly forbidden, even for hand guns.

So yeah, gotta side with the gun-nuts on this one. You can do as much damage with a semi AR-15 as any semi version of a hunting rifle.
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Phoebe Chammerpan - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:53:52 EST ID:bEYiPWk5 No.165867 Ignore Report Quick Reply
America is a lost cause and Newton was the point of no return. 20 innocent children were slaughterd and the country didnt care. TWENTY FUCKING CHILDREN, FIVE YEAR OLDS WERE EXECUTED AND NO ONE FUCKING CARED.

When people care more about Politics and their agendas than children being murdered, all is lost.

nothing will be done except sending your bullshit "thoughts and prayers"
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Frederick Honeybury - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:10:25 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165868 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165864
>Are you really so naive you think that will solve the problem?

Oh, I see...so it has to solve the WHOLE problem or it isn't worth doing. Got it.

Guess what, bolt action with low mag capacity would SAVE FUCKING LIVES. Period. End of story.

And no, they won't all just build bombs. Otherwise, they would by now. And a triple digit score with a bomb you made at home is kinda hard to get.

Know why?

BECAUSE WHEN SOME FUCKER BLEW UP A FEDERAL BUILDING IN OKLAHOMA WE FUCKING CHANGED THE LAWS!

Tell you what Mr Technical. Go out an buy some fertilizer like McVeigh did and then some fuel oil and see how long it takes for the cops to show up at your door.
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Betsy Favingham - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:46:50 EST ID:fIz9xdLH No.165870 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165868
>Oh, I see...so it has to solve the WHOLE problem or it isn't worth doing. Got it.

Wasting time legislating (and legislating takes nothing if but time; lots, and lots, of time) something that isn't going to fix the route problem isn't worth doing, correct.

>Guess what, bolt action with low mag capacity would SAVE FUCKING LIVES. Period. End of story.

Except it wouldn't. I ask again: are you really so terribly naive that you think lack of access to a gun is going to stop deranged and mentally ill people with homicidal ambitions from carrying out spree killings? These people have the urge to throw their lives away murdering a bunch of innocent people, I don't think a trip to the supermarket to buy bomb-making supplies, or a renting a U-Haul, is going to stop them.

>Go out an buy some fertilizer like McVeigh did and then some fuel oil and see how long it takes for the cops to show up at your door.

You don't need to fill a truck with explosives to kill a couple dozen people. You can make pipe bombs or other small explosives with far less material. I see now why you call people "Mr Techinical"; you're wholly incapable of viewing any situation with intelligence or nuance, and just jump immediately to hyperbole and knee-jerk bullshitting.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Your solutions solve nothing and even calling them a band-aid solution would be too generous. The problem in America is cultural and specifically the culture of alienating and ostracizing those with mental illness, and the lack of attention such people receive. You're perpetuating this problem and contributing to this ignorance by pretending everything's fine and our only problem is guns.
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Hugh Sonnerstit - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:03:16 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165872 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165870
>Wasting time legislating (and legislating takes nothing if but time; lots, and lots, of time) something that isn't going to fix the route problem isn't worth doing, correct.
>isn't going to fix the route problem
How do you know that? It hasn't been tried in this country yet. What makes you so confident that it's an ineffective treatment when there doesn't exist any data to back it up?

How can you be an expert in things that have never, ever happened?
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Betsy Favingham - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 22:52:20 EST ID:fIz9xdLH No.165873 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165872

You don't need to be an expert to know it wont fix the problem anymore than you need to be an expert to know that banning hot dogs wont prevent heart disease. Banning guns is such an obvious non-solution that it's practically a non-sequitur; it's obvious to everyone who actually looks at the problem and doesn't just take the easiest, knee-jerk stance that the problem is deeper and more complex than that.

America has a deeper issue here than most people want to admit. Most other western countries with statistically high gun ownership rates have nowhere near enough gun homicide for guns themselves to be the problem. Correlation is not not causation.

Anyway, I'm done with this discussion. People set themselves in stone on this sort of topic and no amount of reasoned argument will sway them. Like I said, I've never owned a gun. So go ahead, ban them. And then when automotive and homemade explosive mass killings pick up as a result of you all not trying to tackle the root problem (America's lacking mental health care, and the culture and stigma surrounding it, which produces these people to begin with), maybe you'll be smart enough not to come back here and talk about banning more things as a panacea solution to deeper and more complex problems.
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Frederick Honeybury - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 23:02:42 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165874 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165873
All the countries with tight gun control have far less mass shootings.
So ummm...it has been tried, and it does work.
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Hugh Sonnerstit - Thu, 15 Feb 2018 23:09:25 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165875 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165873
>Most other western countries with statistically high gun ownership rates have nowhere near enough gun homicide for guns themselves to be the problem.
Most other western countries have less than a third of the gun ownership rate of the United States.
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Basil Nicklegold - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 00:14:39 EST ID:jajGWUvR No.165876 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's obvious that the issue creating the violence isn't simply more guns. It's a lot of factors. But one thing that I can't abide is people calling for mentally ill people to not be allowed to own guns.

How does this work out?

Anyone who's ever been diagnosed with a disorder is no longer allowed the second amendment right? A good portion of military veterans come back and are diagnosed. How would that go over? These people fuck their minds up "for our freedoms" only to come back to be stigmatized and have their rights taken away.

I know this is a bit of a platitude but this whole witch hunt against mentally ill people is the exact opposite of what we should be doing. This is going to further stigmatize mentally ill people and continue pushing the whole issue in the opposite direction it should be going.

We need a total shift in how we think about and treat mental illness. We don't need to start scapegoating all mentally ill people in an attempt that surely won't even make us safer on the whole.

Even if we did ban all people who have mental illness from owning guns, that would not stop the majority. A lot of people with severe mental illness go undiagnosed, and it would seem that the majority of these that suddenly lash out and kill people suddenly snapped. Many don't show signs of being mentally ill before this.

It's obvious that mental illness is a, if not the, key factor here but just straight up going after mentally ill people is not what we should be doing.
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Basil Nicklegold - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 00:15:40 EST ID:jajGWUvR No.165877 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165874
Actually, no, it hasn't "been tried" because none of these countries that have tight gun control policies ever had issues with mass shootings like we do. There are a lot more factors than just 1.
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Frederick Warringhidge - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 01:52:37 EST ID:YuEgTiJq No.165878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165877
>it hasn't "been tried"
>all those countries where it's been tried and succeeded overwhelmingly don't count because they were smart enough to get out ahead of the problem

I think it's time to revisit this post's >>165743 point of the US having too many idiots. The ones pulling the triggers and the one's who continue to enable them.
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Basil Nicklegold - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:38:12 EST ID:jajGWUvR No.165879 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165878
Excellent nuanced rebuttal. If I'm enabling them, then why don't you tell me exactly how your gun control plan would, without any doubt, prevent all future mass shootings.
Tell me exactly who would not be allowed to own guns any longer. Tell me who and how we would round up the guns of people that are no longer allowed to own them. How would we convince MURICANS to give up their guns because Big Brother says theyr'e safer that way. Tell me how we would be able to come up with the money for the buyback program, when we can't even afford SNAP. Tell me how we would diagnose mentally ill people. Would we create a whole new bureau just for categorizing and tracking mental illness? Should we start screening citizens every month just to make sure they're doing alright. A lot of these people suddenly snap so we should have periodical inspections right?

Please, since I'm so stupid, tell me how this is all possible, and how you know that it will work.
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Archie Drennerwack - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 04:54:52 EST ID:TY9OFBDr No.165880 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Something that concerns me about the shooting-->gun control connection is the link via Australia.

Australia is used as a kind of corporate petri dish to experiment with ideas before they're brought to the US. When McDonalds wants to roll out touchscreen order terminals, they trial it for a year in Australia first.

So when Australia, which had never had a mass shooting before (or since), has a big one at a government monument which is immediately used to tighten gun laws and then becomes THE prototype for gun policy debate in American politics, I have to wonder if that was premeditated, especially when the US has such a hard-on for false flags.
It's just that I don't see why every single mass shooting immediately and nearly exclusively turns into a gun control topic. I don't see why those two things should necessarily be so inextricably linked, and if there weren't this one example that Australia provided, maybe that connection wouldn't be so automatic? It just slots in so conveniently and guarantees that nobody ever talks about anything productive when this stuff happens.


Reminder that the Columbine kids had petroleum bombs which failed to detonate, but which would have killed hundreds.
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Martin Sebblebodging - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:19:53 EST ID:OJI190p6 No.165881 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165879
It won’t work, these people just pretend they have the answers so they can do this whole holier-than-thou bullshit where they talk down and blame the deaths of all shooting victims on anyone/everyone who doesn’t believe in disarming the entire country. They preach hardcore gun restriction as if that isn’t already not working in places like LA and Detroit and then they preach total gun confiscation as if that won’t lead to an increase in victims of gun crime and their entire argument is “Well you care about the second amendment therefore you are the sole reason kids are dying you scumbag.” It’s disgusting mental gymnastics about a problem that has no great answer. There is no realistic way to stop all school shootings, just like there is no realistic way to stop all violent gun crimes, yet the libs constantly pretend like their radical solution will work when we all factually know it won’t based on the fact that the strictest gun controlled areas still have the worst gun crime. But then again, that’s sort of just what the Democrats do; they pretend they know how to help the country, but then when their ideas are put into action we end up with shit like Detroit, an ultra-dangerous ghost city that used to be the most powerful city in the USA just 70 years ago, before the Dems stepped in and took over.
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Fanny Benningwater - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 07:36:10 EST ID:ZqNU3ikO No.165882 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165875
Guns aren't equally distributed, gun ownership rate != guns per person.
Switzerland for instance has a far higher rate of gun ownership than the US, but far fewer guns.
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Phineas Pannerchetch - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:26:40 EST ID:eXxocFRh No.165883 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165880
>I don't see why every single mass shooting immediately and nearly exclusively turns into a gun control topic
you don't see the link between a psycho high schooler legally owning an AR-15 and (a lack of) gun control?
maybe the reason every school shooting topic involves gun control is because there's no real fucking gun control in America?

how many lives have been saved by a "good guy" with an AR-15 as opposed to a "bad guy" with an AR-15? how many lives have citizens with gun saved? is it anywhere close to the 30,000 people killed each year in America due to gun violence?
180,000 people have been gunned down in America since Sandy Hook, and you don't think it's time to consider that MAAAAAYYYBBEEEEEEEEEE there needs to be some fucking gun control?

America has proven beyond a doubt that it cannot handle loose, legal gun ownership. I'm sorry, but you guys are just way too retarded to be trusted with anything deadlier than a kitchen knife. to the rest of the world, America is just an example of what happens when you give guns to babies.

but whatever it doesn't matter to me what you do. I'm european, I have no stake in this. enjoy your shithole while killing yourselves by the thousands.
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Sophie Sabberpun - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:27:04 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.165884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As always, America and Americans themselves are the problem.

Lots of guns in Canada, in Norway, in Switzerland, in Finland, in Sweden. And yet, those countries don't have crazy motherfuckers killing people by the dozen.

Hell, the last time we had a public shooting here in the Netherlands was in 2011. Some fucking crazy fuck started talking murderous at his psychologist, so the psychologist notified the cops that they should take his gun and gun license away, but for some reason the cops failed to do so, ending in six deaths, seventeen wounded and the wanker killing himself.
That's 7 years of no public shootings mates.

While it was obviously bad, just imagine. With only a few changes to the system, Americans could enjoy both their guns, AND live in relative safety.
As is obvious from the public shooting in 2011, it's not a foolproof system, since cops HAVE to react to any warnings from psychologists and (mental) healthcare workers, but this system is safe enough that the list of public shootings in the Netherlands still lists FUCKING GERMAN SOLDIERS SHOOTING CIVILIANS IN 1945 as one of the most deadly public shootings.
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Sophie Sabberpun - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:30:34 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.165885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165884
>And yet, those countries don't have crazy motherfuckers killing people by the dozen.
...on a scale like in the USA. Saying the USA is bigger than Canada or Norway isn't a good argument, because there are more people living in Europe than in the USA. And there are still less public shootings across Europe than the USA.
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Frederick Warringhidge - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:57:48 EST ID:YuEgTiJq No.165886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165883
>America has proven beyond a doubt that it cannot handle loose, legal gun ownership.

>>165884
>As always, America and Americans themselves are the problem.

These, at this point, keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill would effectively be a nationwide firearms ban. Morally bankrupt country full of sick and oftentimes downright evil people, and it's nothing new. Mass shootings are just the latest manifestation.
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Jarvis Sullerlotch - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:47:46 EST ID:DMvUxN3i No.165889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165884
I see your point, and it is valid, but the Netherlands is less than 1% percent of the size of the US and only 5% of the population of the US. If they didn't have dramatically less shootings then that would be fucking nuts. Germany would probably be a better example; shitloads of guns, very low number of shootings.
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Edwin Damblestuck - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:10:06 EST ID:1jnJDi+j No.165892 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165889
"per capita" is a fun game to play in these situations.
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Oliver Nippersud - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:14:48 EST ID:BtNikegk No.165895 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165884
>Lots of guns in Canada, in Norway, in Switzerland, in Finland, in Sweden.
But still nowhere near as many as in the US. The US has twice to three times as many guns per capita as every single other "lots o' guns" country on earth. That's not just one out of many, that's a clear statistical outlier. On a per capita basis blows every other gun culture outnof the water. Even out of all the nations with high ownership, the US is the most extreme, unequivocally, by far.

Are you guys intentionally ignoring that fact when you keep trotting out this argument?
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Sophie Sabberpun - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:21:12 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.165896 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165895
Does it matter if someone has one gun or fifty guns at home? You can only hold one rifle in your hands mate.
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Frederick Warringhidge - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:22:56 EST ID:YuEgTiJq No.165897 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165895
Great point! We definitely don't need anymore if that's the case. We can ban new gun sales and leave it to a more courageous generation to outlaw them altogether.
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Matilda Fillernat - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:28:31 EST ID:GZJGDNZB No.165899 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gotta get rid of the guns and the hate.
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Caroline Puppercocke - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:54:03 EST ID:hPXU206k No.165900 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165899

we need to just bite the bullet and completely ban guns

make it so when you get your drivers license you have to answer whether u own guns. then if u answer yes then you'll need to schedule a time to have the local pd come and confiscate them. socialze all gun ownership: guns are now property of the state. go thru gun shop records and find all the gun owners and take all their guns
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Basil Foblingwater - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:06:44 EST ID:BvJ4GXBp No.165901 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165900
The NRA would never allow it. It would literally kill them and most gun manufacturers. No, you're just going to have tp bite the bullet and watch your children die.
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Matilda Fillernat - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:23:16 EST ID:GZJGDNZB No.165902 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165901
It’s insane that even things the majority of the country agrees on like banning large magazines can’t even happen cause of all the nra money.
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Matilda Fillernat - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:28:25 EST ID:GZJGDNZB No.165903 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165902
Nb for dp.

Even worse the nra is branching out to “social issues” like if black people have the right to protest.

In California we had open carry until governor Ronald Reagan banned it cause the black panthers were supervising arrests make sure the unarmed weren’t shot and the innocent didn’t have anything planted on them. The nra applauded this decision.
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Basil Nicklegold - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:29:08 EST ID:jajGWUvR No.165904 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Everyone who proposes gun control, even totally banning guns, why don't you do a mental exercise. Just to play it out in your heads, because you obviously haven't thought this through. Answer all the just questions that I have asked previously.

>>165876

Humor me, because I really want to know if you've thought this through, or how it would go in your mind.


Funny that all these leftists are always preaching about how great socialism is but would gladly totally give away our right to ever revolt because they're scared. The second amendment is there for a reason, and you're not gonna get your socialist via rich people saying "here you can have it." You're never gonna get anything CLOSE to socialism. You saw how they treated Bernie. So you're content with living in this country that every day treats its people worse and evolves into more of a third world shithole while the rich eat everything? You're okay with staying the course on all of that? Because the rich will never make concessions until they're afraid that people will bust into their gated communities with guns to take their shit. They live in a glass tower and the only thing that would ever be able to bring it down is having an armed public. But you guys obviously don't care about that. Let's just live in this shithole forever, give all the power to the corrupt state because we're scared right?

You guys are a bunch of pussies with no moral compass or principles besides which ever way your knee is currently jerking.
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Matilda Brendlewark - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:32:19 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.165905 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165903
The NRA isn't for gun owner rights, its for Gun Manufacturer rights, VERY pro-state.
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Caroline Dartville - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:46:47 EST ID:Dxi7aBFv No.165909 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Gun legislation is a lot like drug regulation, any efforts you make at limiting a citizenship's supply will be covered by the black market, but the uncertainty caused by such extreme regulation is only profitable to those illegally selling products and the legal system imprisoning dissenters
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Hedda Clibblelud - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:58:32 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.165911 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165902
What's insane is that, since the mid-90s, the CDC isn't allowed to research gun violence because the NRA authored a bill that a republican congress passed to remove the CDC's funding for doing so. The NRA authored and paid republicans to pass this law because in the early 90s, the CDC dared to publish a report saying that having a gun in your home increases the risk of someone being murdered in your home by a gun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment_(1996)

We could put a lot of these questions we questions about gun violence to bed with the exact research that the NRA doesn't want conducted. They know the results would be harrowing. They know the truth would put a damper on gun sales and that no amount of lobbyist spending would allow their moratorium on gun control debate in congress to continue.
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Hugh Sonnerstit - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:24:58 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165912 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165909
>Gun legislation is a lot like drug regulation, any efforts you make at limiting a citizenship's supply will be covered by the black market, but the uncertainty caused by such extreme regulation is only profitable to those illegally selling products and the legal system imprisoning dissenters
Leaving aside the fact that it's much harder to illegally manufacture reliable guns than it is to grow plants, that kind of faulty logic could equally apply to something like, for example, CP.

So Caroline, are you willing to argue that the mere existence of a CP black market means that we should stop trying to regulate CP?
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Matilda Brendlewark - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:32:17 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.165913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165912
That argument falls flat because CP is inherently harming an innocent. Gun ownership or Drug use is not (it can easily LEAD to it, no doubt, but its not a for sure)
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David Pirryhag - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:56:57 EST ID:RFWaNLo+ No.165915 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165912
Just because you're a not-engineer, don't think everyone is as incapable as you. Guns are frighteningly easy to manufacture. Don't play stupid. The box has been opened. The knowledge is out there. It cannot be stopped.
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Hugh Sonnerstit - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:06:28 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165916 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165913
>That argument falls flat because CP is inherently harming an innocent.
That wasn't the argument being responded to. The argument he made was based on supply and logistics, namely that it's a guarantee that the black market will fill the supply void and therefore regulation does more harm than good.

How about this: Illegally owning an exotic dangerous animal is not, inherently, harming an innocent. It can easily lead to it, but not for sure. A black market for exotic animals exists. Therefore, any legislation that makes it harder for your drunk neighbor to fill his backyard with pissed off tigers does more harm than good and shouldn't be attempted.

Operating a business in a building that was built in flagrant violation of building and fire safety codes is not, inherently, harming an innocent. It can easily lead to it, but not for sure. A black market for shady under-the-table construction work exists. Therefore, any legislation that makes it harder to run a business out of a shoddy unstable mess of a building on stiff breeze away from collapsing on all your customers' heads does more harm than good and shouldn't be attempted.

And if these sound like horrible comparisons because guns are completely different in kind to animals and buildings... then you're right! Guns are also completely different in kind to weed. That's my point, that this argument that "gun control can't work because drug war" is a terrible argument because it does not take into account all the differences in kind between these things being regulated: elasticity of demand, manufacturing costs, logistics, societal impact, risk, etc. It's a simpleton's approach that - if applied to a topic that doesn't immediately flip on the Crazy Switch in Americans' brains - is instantly recognizable as such.
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Hugh Sonnerstit - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:09:52 EST ID:u35xloTz No.165917 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165915
>Guns are frighteningly easy to manufacture.
Frighteningly easy to manufacture ≠ as easy as growing a plant

You're being intentionally obtuse.
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Nathaniel Honkinforth - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:18:15 EST ID:1noVNeYG No.165918 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/fbi-was-warned-that-accused-florida-shooter-could-attack-school/ar-BBJdTCk?OCID=ansmsnnews11

So the FBI had two tips, the Youtube incident last year and a direct call to their tipline in January, and didn't act on either. Fucking depressing, man.
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Archie Drennerwack - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:19:15 EST ID:TY9OFBDr No.165919 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165886
You're right. America has been completely brainfucked after generations of being total fair game for global hypercapitalists. They've been the entire world's consumer guinea pigs and blood bags while all along believing the lie that they were somehow separate and exceptional. They're a shining example that mass mind control works flawlessly and will happily tear their own countrymen apart to protect the corporate and financial masters that exploit them. Every aspect of their national identity is an exercise in cognitive dissonance; they believe they exemplify 'freedom' while defending the largest prison population of slave labour on the planet, fed endlessly by a clearly engineered economic underclass. They actively resist any moves towards even a basic international level of public healthcare and social support, while worshipping--and funding--a military complex which almost exclusively serves foreign interests. A military which purports to bring "democracy" to the world via the largest organised state terror campaign on earth under the banner of "fighting" terrorism, while their own government in no way resembles a democracy, being driven by legalised corruption and led by multiple dynastic generations of a Saudi vassal family. Politics which they universally think about in the exact same terms as football or the fucking cola wars, and is just as much of a flagrantly obvious artificial duopoly. All this despite public disclosure after public disclosure of the evils and excesses of their leadership, from the massive organised propagandist infiltration of their own media to literal mass mind kontrolle research programs, to false flag attacks on their own citizens, to state-run drug trafficking which they themselves made illegal to cement their monopoly, to the sponsorship of foreign terror, political destabilisation, assassination, and public mass surveillance channelled into social manipulation which all indications point to them having no qualms about directing at their own citizens too. All this and yet the exact same things can keep happening over and over and an American will bend over fucking backwards to parrot canned discussion points--nothing else--and convince themselves that they have always been and always will be the greatest nation on earth.

Maybe at a certain point your society becomes so convoluted and sick that at some superorganism level, it just wants to fucking die.
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Matilda Brendlewark - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 18:04:49 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.165921 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165916
I suppose it comes down to risk management. Everything could harm someone, in theory.

Does this mean guns pose a risk high enough the only management is banning? I don't know. Other countries that have fairly loose gun laws (not as loose as the US admittedly) seem to have it well managed. Why can't the US?


Also, the secondary problem of the excuse of so many guns is why Cops in America are so motherfucking trigger happy.
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Fucking Blillerhall - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:47:20 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165927 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165918
Guy wasn't a Moose-limb. Why would they investigate?
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Molly Dobblestadge - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:27:24 EST ID:TnsXixTl No.165930 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165918
What exactly are they supposed to do? Arrest someone for exercising their constitutional right to free speech? Deprive them of their constitutional right to bear arms because they exercised their constitutional right to free speech? The problem is the laws not the law enforcement. They can't do shit to prevent this sort of stuff from happening because the laws don't allow them to do shit to prevent it from happening. Things need to change in congress before the FBI can actually hope to prevent this sort of shit from happening. As it currently stands the legislatures keep passing more and more laws preventing anyone who wants a gun from being able to purchase a gun. This is all part of the master plan. They want shit like this to keep happening because they can use it as an excuse to sell more guns. Every time a shooting like this happens they immediately start fearmongering and say the dems are coming to take your guns, act now while you can still buy them! They sell a bunch of automatic guns and bump stocks and all sorts of other shit that's been on the proposed ban lists and the cycle repeats itself when some asshole uses that shit to kill a bunch of people.
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Basil Semblemire - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:33:39 EST ID:b2V5HPUp No.165931 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165930
They would have found a way to do shit if he were black or Muslim. Don't kid yourself.
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Fucking Blillerhall - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:51:31 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165933 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165931
Look at California in the 1960s with the Black Panthers.

You want gun control?

Arm some niggers.

Gun control will happen in a matter of days...
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Hannah Nuckletatch - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:11:53 EST ID:1fIHantD No.165935 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165933

Aren't they all armed by this point?

Give those gangs some political thing to unite around, then you're gonna see change in the US.

Oh wait that's why the US gov basically nurture these gangs nevermind.
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Fucking Blillerhall - Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:33:06 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165936 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165935
Dude, learn to Google when someone drops a reference on you.

The Panthers used to stand on the street corners carrying long rifles. Cops couldn't do shit about it, since it was legal.

Guess when CA started to get serious on who owns what kinda gun...

Yeah.
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Basil Wandleshaw - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 10:06:48 EST ID:KJitAL52 No.165948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165916
I agree with you entirely, guns aren't as cut and dried lol as drugs, and drug dealers are more likely to own guns, making a solution even more unreachable. Automatic weapons are already illegal in the US, so drug dealers with illegal connections are capable of acquiring full auto weapons. The cops don't even have those, but if anyone in the us was allowed to use full auto weapons it would be them. This just isnt a great directio to be headed in, I don't fucking need a gun though
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Angus Greenham - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 14:47:29 EST ID:1noVNeYG No.165957 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165930

Terroristic threats aren't protected under "free speech". Look up what "free speech" actually entails instead of just assuming "law saws I can say anything".

Anyways, when the dipshit said he was going to shoot up schools in his Youtube comment/s then Google should have sent over his IP, device, geotracking info to the FBI so they could monitor the dipshit. When locals actually called the FBI tipline to express their concern about the gun nut sociopath teenager in their community then the FBI again should have investigated the kid, and if they did their job earlier, they would have noticed this was a pattern of behavior based off his stupid Youtube and social media posts and would have moved in on him. But the FBI didn't do their damn job, and it's heartbreaking because that complete fuck-up on their part led to lives being lost.
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Cyril Blackdale - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:29:15 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.165962 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165957
> that complete fuck-up on their part led to lives being lost.
You sound like you're placing the blame 100% on the FBI, and excusing the man who actually pulled the trigger.
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Fuck Trotway - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:46:07 EST ID:qetGCKL9 No.165963 Report Quick Reply
>>165962

That's not what they're doing at all. Of course the nut who gunned those kids down is to blame, but he could have been stopped if the FBI had done their job properly. That's the point they are making.
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Shit Fanham - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:01:33 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.165966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Considering the level of idiocy we see every day on chans, youtube comments and conspiracy sites is it really shocking that someone might overlook the seriousness of a situation?
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Phoebe Sovingson - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:06:43 EST ID:AVMlG+F9 No.165967 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165966
I agree, the blame isn't on the investigators, it's more so on the integrators.
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James Seckleputch - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 22:57:12 EST ID:1noVNeYG No.165969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165962

Not at all, I'd strangle the fucker with my bare hands if given the opportunity. I'm just saying that the FBI is and should be the end-all-be-all of law enforcement in the US and their colossal fuck-up negligence most likely allowed this specific act of terror to happen. When you hear some fuckup threaten to shoot up a school on the internet you should have some piece of mind that the FBI would be on it to at least question the person to find out how realistic of a threat they are, but then when something like this happens it reveals the wizard behind the curtain and you realize that even with all of the tools at their disposal human error and negligence can allow fucking evil scum like that guy to carry out a school shooting despite numerous warning signs.
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Phoebe Sickleforth - Sat, 17 Feb 2018 23:42:50 EST ID:oq1g2LP6 No.165970 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165966
Idiocy is one thing, but there is a huge difference between posting dumb comments or conspiracy theories and someone who makes a credible threat to commit a terrorist attack. What's more interesting in this case is that apparently the FBI did indeed take the threat seriously but somehow managed to fail at tracking down the person making the threat despite the shooter using his first and last name as his username. Sounds more like incompetence than negligence in this situation.
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Shit Fanham - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:18:05 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.165971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165970
While this little faggot was making his plans this little faggot here got stopped by his own grandmother. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/day-prior-parkland-grandmother-foiled-grandson-s-alleged-school-shooting-n848426

Then there's these twin faggots stockpiling firework level gunpowder for some idiotic plan they made up together. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/nyregion/terror-arrest-bronx.html

On top of all this you have faggots at 4chimps generating misinformation "4 da lulz" to apparently discredit the media, fucking racist faggots across the internet talking about race war from the comfort of their parent's basements and a million fucking copycat retards like these fuckwits. If you're such an expert maybe you should become an agent and sift through this idiocy and save us all. http://www.ibtimes.com/parkland-shooting-copycat-threats-result-school-lockdowns-arrests-2654666
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Walter Feblingfoot - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:18:41 EST ID:VtAKlz0y No.165972 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165729
On the right, we see a normally proportioned human being. On the left is an actual fucking gremlin.
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Shit Fanham - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:21:45 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.165973 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165972
Just give him his precious and he'll go away!
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Hannah Pickletit - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:54:31 EST ID:WXUWSia2 No.165975 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165973
Nah, call it Affluenza, he didn't know right from wrong, so obviously he can't be punished.
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Edward Blathershaw - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:55:59 EST ID:rTr48MXc No.165976 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165973
"Mmmmyyyyesss! Mine preciouses White Ethno-State! Giveses us Florida so we can secedeses and finally obtain our preciouses!
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Shit Fanham - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 05:32:46 EST ID:ar9mMa8V No.165977 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165975
How long before we get the first internet based defense?

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. The accused is what is known as a... *finger quotes* chantard. Raised on image boards from a young age with no supersvision, he's devloped no concept of civil behavior. This man has no concept of what "freedom of speech" actually means. He apparently thinks it means he can scream "jolly african-american, "spic', "chink" and "jovial jew" at the top of his lungs anywhere he wants to with zero repercussions. He feels threatened by and is mortal enemies with the government, minorities, homosexuals, religion, ancient aliens, common etiquette and women with opinions. The state asked me to step in and defend him when they realized that when he stated he would represent himself in court, he intended to do so with poorly sourced and misleading infographics he cherry picked from his favorite alt-right youtubers, podcasts and hate forums. His entire opening statement was an Alex Jones video intercut with cat pictures, memes and jihadist inspiration music."
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Graham Shakedock - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:54:36 EST ID:gEhNx81P No.165978 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165972

he, like most violent killers, looks cognitively deficient
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Esther Sezzleden - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:24:41 EST ID:1EXyBJ3w No.165979 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165767
Oh shut the fuck up you paranoid looney. Nobody buys that the media pays for our schools and puts in police and metal detectors for a shadowy political motive designed to create a docile generation of future voters, and the fact that you think that is even possible indicates how naive you are. What's actually happening is that our public systems are breaking down and nobody wants to invest their time or their money understanding or fixing the situation.
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Esther Sezzleden - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:42:31 EST ID:1EXyBJ3w No.165981 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165879
Gonna just chime in here. I'm from 50 years in the future and things have deteriorated, anyway we learned a horrible lesson and im not gonna debate you or let you open your dumbass mouth or give you a platform that leads us down this road to destruction yet again, I'm simply gonna throw you up against a wall and have you shot.
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Esther Sezzleden - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:57:56 EST ID:1EXyBJ3w No.165982 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165971
The mistake was the notion that the state could ever be better parents than the actual parents. It is up to them to teach their kids right from wrong. When unsupervised kids are raised on fourchan and develop an obsession with race, it is not the fbi's job to teach them the errors of their ways; that's impossible. People do need to learn how to be members of society rather than becoming isolationists with points of view that run against or are completely incompatible with society.
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Phineas Wodgegold - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 18:15:26 EST ID:o4BwxZhq No.165990 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165982
Basically we create murderous otaku in 'Merica....
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Samuel Puddlewater - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 18:31:56 EST ID:IqzMdd3c No.165991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165982
I've felt for a long while that one of the key elements in creating a radical, extremist or other person along those lines is a feeling of powerlessness and desperate disconnection. Parents who disengage from their kids wellbeing are hugely increase the risk of this happening as well as the next step which is exposure to a malign influence that resonates with them. Maybe I'm over simplifying it but putting guys like this in a broad group with suicide bombers but the latter are also often miserable disconnected people and they just have different values which resonate with a different radicalising force. Very occasionally the family will say "I had no idea" but it's rare.

I suspect there's a few vectors this can come along and that isolation and feeling of being excluded from society (or the bits that you'd want to be in) is probably a major one for a lot of people doing awful things.
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Molly Crengersodge - Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:25:51 EST ID:TY9OFBDr No.165992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>165979
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

you fucking moron
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Lydia Hacklefack - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 02:28:33 EST ID:mDGfCv9C No.165993 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>165990
Weaboos don't commit crimes. all they think about is their waifus and staying alive to watch the next episode of their seasonal favorite anime.
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Martin Fudgesit - Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:29:10 EST ID:/TUGOrmm No.166017 Ignore Report Quick Reply
These mass shootings highlight Americans' desire to reaffirm a stigmatization of the mentally ill as ticking time bombs to avoid more difficult conversations about gun violence.

Most mass shooters dont have criminal records or mental health treatment. We have an average of 40 homicide shootings a day. That's the reason we should have background checks, not the occasional mass shooting.

Yet trump and sessions have responded by saying they were going to help the nation with the difficult issue of mental health and study the intersection of mental health and criminality, framing the issue as a mental health crisis even though there is no correlation.

It is dangerous to assume that the mentally ill tend to commit these shootings. Everyday gun violence is predictable and could be stopped. Ending everyday gun violence would help end mass shootings as well.

Teaching people how to report concerning behaviors to authorities through public health and education campaigns is needed. Ensuring weapons dont enter the hands of the mentally ill is not enough to prevent mass shootings from occurring regularly.


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