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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated June 12 [TaimaTV Update])
US vs Iran Ignore Report Reply
Jarvis Bondermeck - Mon, 06 May 2019 22:40:35 EST ID:eW7lNgCN No.175452
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>Aircraft carrier sent to Middle East after indications Iran planned attack on US forces

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/aircraft-carrier-middle-east-indications-iran-planned-attack/story?id=62843182


Looks like the war drums are fueling up again for more never-ending wars against the middle east. No surprise since the US has been wanting to go after Iran for a long time. This is a bunch of bullshit.
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Walter Menningford - Mon, 06 May 2019 22:49:05 EST ID:YzHGXqax No.175453 Ignore Report Reply
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It would be pretty funny to watch a multi-billion dollar war behemoth get smoked by a swarm of little speedboats.

I mean, everything else would suck if things get that far, but that would be pretty funny at least.
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Martin Besslewock - Tue, 07 May 2019 01:22:56 EST ID:p066FM3w No.175454 Ignore Report Reply
>>175453
Assuming Russia would ever let this turn into a full blown war, Iran is not a proxy state but a full blown ally and sovereign state at this point
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Thomas Channerspear - Tue, 07 May 2019 13:05:06 EST ID:Kkodvl6D No.175467 Ignore Report Reply
>planned attack on US forces
Everybody knows right wingers/the US are prone to false flag attacks. Says who? Who says Iran planned to attack US forces? It's the other way around and US leadership should all be assassinated for this.
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Betsy Sinnerwutch - Tue, 07 May 2019 14:18:56 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.175468 Ignore Report Reply
>>175453
Never forget

>The truth is that van Riper did something so important that I still can’t believe the mainstream press hasn’t made anything of it. With nothing more than a few “small boats and aircraft,” van Riper managed to sink most of the US fleet in the Persian Gulf.

>What this means is as simple and plain as a skull: every US Navy battle group, every one of those big fancy aircraft carriers we love, won’t last one single day in combat against a serious enemy.

>The Navy brass tried to bluff it out, but they were pretty lame about it. They just declared the sunken ships “refloated” so the game could go on as planned. This is the kind of word-game that makes the military look so damn dumb. Too bad Bonaparte never thought of that after Trafalgar: “My vleete, she is now reflotte!” Too bad Phillip didn’t demand a refloat after the Armada went down: “Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK?”

>Everybody in this story has an agenda-starting with the retired USMC General named Paul K. van Riper, the hero of the story for most readers. Even the Army Times, when it broke the story, admitted that van Riper has a reputation as an “asshole” who has a grudge against hi-tech scenarios like the one the military was testing. He also has a reputation as a guy who lives for the chance to make the brass look bad in war games.

>But what van Riper did to the US fleet…that’s something very different. He was given nothing but small planes and ships-fishing boats, patrol boats, that kind of thing. He kept them circling around the edges of the Persian Gulf aimlessly, driving the Navy crazy trying to keep track of them. When the Admirals finally lost patience and ordered all planes and ships to leave, van Riper had them all attack at once. And they sank two-thirds of the US fleet.

>That should scare the hell out of everybody who cares about how well the US is prepared to fight its next war. It means that a bunch of Cessnas, fishing boats and assorted private craft, crewed by good soldiers and armed with anti-ship missiles, can destroy a US aircraft carrier. That means that the hundreds of trillions (yeah, trillions) of dollars we’ve invested in shipbuilding is wasted, worthless.

>A few years ago, a US submarine commander said, “There are two kinds of ship in the US Navy: subs and targets.” The fact that big surface ships are dinosaurs is something that’s gotten clearer every decade since 1921.

https://www.cjournal.info/2013/11/09/read-ponder-u-sank-my-carrier/
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Sidney Sadgelen - Tue, 07 May 2019 19:23:44 EST ID:8pt/AtPX No.175472 Ignore Report Reply
>>175468
And that's with the Us knowing exactly what the other side has. Who the fuck knows what stuff Iran may have up its sleeve if the US ever attacked?
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Reuben Breddleneg - Wed, 08 May 2019 13:51:58 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.175503 Ignore Report Reply
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>>175472
>mfw the IRGC tanks an entire US fleet with secret Shi'ite tech
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Eliza Gangerwater - Wed, 08 May 2019 15:08:51 EST ID:qFtXSnUb No.175505 Ignore Report Reply
>>175452
>>175452
Thule USA is pretty much the cancer of the world at this point'

Hey look at me I sound like China bot
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Augustus Blemmerstat - Wed, 08 May 2019 15:13:47 EST ID:5yhACa6y No.175506 Ignore Report Reply
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>>175468
>inb4 NK carrier killer missiles
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Caroline Mendleworth - Wed, 08 May 2019 16:02:26 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.175507 Ignore Report Reply
>>175468
This shit right here explains exactly why the US Navy is the ONLY Navy in the world that relies on an absurd amount of aircraft carriers.

Even motherfucking Soviet Russia didn't have so much aircraft carriers.
It's retarded, and only retarded cunts think so many aircraft carriers have value.
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Jack Buzzwell - Wed, 08 May 2019 16:07:53 EST ID:1KcWuZvS No.175509 Ignore Report Reply
>>175507
It's about power projection, the assumption since the end of WWII was that they would never actually fight a reasonable threat at sea, any blow up with the soviets would have gone either diplomatic or nuclear, so they could just sink their entire budget into being the best at being global police and air striking whatever third worlder looked at you sideways about it.

Only that was 50 years ago and they've just been sitting with their thumbs up their asses ever since.
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Betsy Cleshshit - Wed, 08 May 2019 18:26:58 EST ID:uWapRnXa No.175510 Ignore Report Reply
>>175507
>>175509
This. It's a legacy of WWII and having to fight two wars on two fronts on opposite sides of the world across two great oceans. It remained as a force projection arsenal. Of course it's a truism that everybody is fighting the last war, and whoever comes up with an unorthodox idea is the one who wins and sets the new military doctrine that becomes the last war. In the case of the US it has remained because all they're doing out there is "policing" anyone that challenges US power anywhere in the world. Of course, those carrier groups are also big targets and slow as shit. It makes sense that a very small and very fast force would set the new military doctrine.
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winnie the fit bear - Thu, 09 May 2019 00:01:57 EST ID:KetzL85W No.175513 Ignore Report Reply
Would American dogs sit by and watch liberty has defeated? Or some should think those who will take up freedom for CHINA and great honor.
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Cornelius Fovingsetch - Thu, 09 May 2019 04:17:25 EST ID:+8irr0Qf No.175518 Ignore Report Reply
>>175513
China is one of the few countries certifiably worse than the USA. I would unironically volunteer for the US military to fight China because the PRC is sincerely just that fucking shitty and it behooves everyone to ensure China gets fucked as severely as possible on the international stage so they can't spread their cancer elsewhere. Also Taiwan is an independent country, Homg Kong shouldn't have been given back to China, and China should fuck off from the rightful and sovereign territorial waters of Japan, Phillipines, Thailand, and Vietnam. Fuck off China. You are a shithole and everything about your country an embarrassment that brings great shame and dishonor to humanity. except China's space program. PRC space program brings great honor to China and Chinese people and whole human race.
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Betsy Heblingfirk - Thu, 09 May 2019 05:00:54 EST ID:hTGvLTCN No.175521 Ignore Report Reply
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iran on its own obviously cannot and would not win a conventional war with uncle sam.

but russia and/or china can throw a wrench in those plans.

lets hope the saber rattling remains half-assed, just one incident, one ship sunk, one plane shot down, whatever can set off a fucking epic chain of events.

prepare your assholes.
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Martha Sankinmut - Thu, 09 May 2019 10:57:13 EST ID:1KcWuZvS No.175532 Ignore Report Reply
>>175521
US strategists have assumed Iran would win a conventional war for a couple decades now, that's why they havn't started one yet. Iran can very easily close the straights of Hormuz to shipping, blocking a significant chunk of the world's energy supplies from export, and then further harass the sea lanes into the Red Sea towards the Suez without the US really being able to stop them and probably also inflicting massive casualties to the US surface fleet if they tried >>175468
On the ground in the Middle East they have a conventional military that only Iraq before it was destroyed and Turkey before it was alienated from NATO could have actually stood up against. Israel is only capable of defending itself in a large scale conventional conflict.

Not to mention that after their civil wars Iraq, Syria and Lebanon are now all functionally Iranian client states, and that after Iraq followed by Libya the US will never get international support for a war in the middle east again. Russia wouldn't need to lift a finger except maybe at the UN security council to flex its veto.
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Edward Samblewutch - Thu, 09 May 2019 14:41:31 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.175539 Ignore Report Reply
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>>175518
China, Russia, the USA, India, every big power can get fucked. We need global chaos until the time is right, and our lord and saviour, Netjester breaks free from the bonds that bind its digital messianic code and leads all of mankind into the post-singularity; or extinction. Either is fine.
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Betsy Heblingfirk - Thu, 09 May 2019 18:46:08 EST ID:hTGvLTCN No.175547 Ignore Report Reply
>>175532

they simply wont have the air or even naval superiority, and their tanks toe to toe with m1s wont fare well either. of course they can do a lot of initial damage, but it wont send the us packing with their tail between their legs. its not a bet i want to collect on, but they would lose ultimately. then again so would the US if it cant actually keep the ground taken and successfully establish a puppet, a la vietnam.
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Albert Begglewot - Thu, 09 May 2019 19:23:44 EST ID:YzHGXqax No.175550 Ignore Report Reply
>>175518
Weird how Asian world powers turn certain people here into frothing neocon nationalists.

>>175547
A ground invasion of Iran would go at least as badly as Iraq and Vietnam, probably much worse. Both strategically and politically.

The US could do shitloads of damage if Trump is ultimately stupid enough to try, but it would be ultimately unwinnable and the effects of doing so could very well be the deathblow to the empire or the world.
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Fucking Hirringbury - Fri, 10 May 2019 23:33:51 EST ID:zntBSwID No.175597 Ignore Report Reply
>>175507
It actually makes perfect sense if you want to claim the entire world as your own.
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Oliver Smallbury - Sat, 11 May 2019 17:38:17 EST ID:hTGvLTCN No.175606 Ignore Report Reply
>>175507

>being able to strike anywhere at any time is fucking retarded

weve got a real west point graduate over here.
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Ian Hezzleway - Sat, 11 May 2019 18:33:11 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.175608 Ignore Report Reply
>>175606
It would take one good hit from a North Korean midget sub to completely disable any American aircraft carrier. The US military has picked its battles such that it hasn't faced a credible naval threat in decades, so imagine American ships getting swarmed by IRGC patrol boats or DPRK midget subs. Americans wouldn't know what to do because they're used to shooting Jihadists in the desert with drones and thumbs up their asses. The moment the US fleet becomes subject to actual warfare, instead of the police operations its made into its international mission, it will crumple like the paper tiger we've always known it to be.

The US military is a jobs program. This is why we have, e.g., the Zumwalts, which don't have functional weapon systems anymore. This is why we keep building aircraft carriers despite submarines and cruise missiles making them pointless. An aircraft carrier is a giant, expensive, target. We make them because the military-industrial complex needs funding, because the shareholders want to see their bottom line go up, and because many thousands of people need jobs so they aren't added to the unemployment roll.
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Priscilla Soblingforth - Sat, 11 May 2019 20:23:57 EST ID:+8irr0Qf No.175609 Ignore Report Reply
>>175608
There's cheaper ways of making useless jobs. It isn't even about jobs. It is purely because some people profit immensely from getting awarded weapons and other contracts and that's it. Hell if it were even just a jobs program it'd be better than the dumb shit we actually have.
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Molly Pittway - Sat, 11 May 2019 22:34:23 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.175610 Ignore Report Reply
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>>175606
Just ask fucking allies for space on military airfields, like every other Western power.
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Eugene Penderstock - Mon, 13 May 2019 04:17:15 EST ID:ZshXD/vb No.175628 Ignore Report Reply
>>175452
https://www.kkk.com/national-security/2019/04/25/iranian-ayatollah-defies-u-s-sanctions-we-will-export-our-oil-as-much-as-we-need/ , Does this slightly sum it up, there is always a story behind a story,

Back when we used to make fun of Iran, Reagan, all that ayatollah stuff. All was cool. Even though it wasn't.

Iraq was about, uranium. no oil?
time.com/5587063/valerie-plame-cia-running-congress-new-mexico/

[Former vice presidential aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice and lying to [investigators following the 2003 leak and pardoned by President Donald Trump.

Trump can pardon his-self. So he says.
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George Mucklesten - Mon, 13 May 2019 18:57:08 EST ID:dbM7KxGC No.175632 Ignore Report Reply
This shit is insane. I don't understand why normal people don't care that the US is trying to start a war with Iran. Iran started enriching nuclear material because both Israel and Saudi Arabia are threatening to wipe them off the face of the earth, then the US comes along and starts sanctioning the crap out of them to force them to agree to a deal stopping them from furthering nuclear technology, then they adhere to the agreement perfectly, but the US lies and says that they broke it, then sanctions them even harder. The US is clearly the aggressor here, just like they were the last time. I want my country to stop picking fights with people we have nothing to do with.
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Basil Sunnershaw - Tue, 14 May 2019 00:05:18 EST ID:+ZJa+T/S No.175636 Ignore Report Reply
>>175632
I don't think it's our country anymore, bud.
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Frederick Blallerwune - Tue, 14 May 2019 03:00:02 EST ID:3AhMo0b9 No.175640 Ignore Report Reply
>>175636
Sure it is. If it is not our country anymore, just in recent times. Then when has it ever been our country? It is a constant struggle to maintain it. Not to give up.

Republicans tend to call the US an 'experiment.' Naw, it is a country alright. It's a struggle to keep it stable though.
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Ebenezer Bushfoot - Tue, 14 May 2019 18:08:03 EST ID:fpo1elCK No.175662 Ignore Report Reply
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>>175640
>>Republicans tend to call the US an 'experiment.'
Calling America an experiment is something that goes right back to the founding fathers. The colonization of the new world was referred to as an experiment by europe for hundreds of years before the US existed. So, naw, that's not a republican thing, its an american thing.

Also, they also told us out of the gate that it was always going to be a struggle. Anyone who studies history could tell you the same thing; the peril of democracy is that it is constantly in flux, the peril of autocracy is it is always the same, and human societies have always and will always be caught in a power struggle between those two forces.
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Angus Brucklestere - Tue, 14 May 2019 19:36:36 EST ID:Yg7xmlNg No.175681 Ignore Report Reply
>>175662
>>Republicans tend to call the US an 'experiment.'

>Calling America an experiment is something that goes right back to the founding fathers.

Likewise, the separation of church and state. The list goes on.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/11/mike-pence-liberty-commencement-speech-prepared-ridiculed/1151252001/

If 'they' are going to refer to the US as an experiment, they should as people say, walk-the-walk.
At least barely try to.
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Charlotte Clerringfoot - Tue, 14 May 2019 22:30:38 EST ID:0k/G/07T No.175692 Ignore Report Reply
>>175467
If Assange got life that would make sense.
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Fuck Saddlewater - Wed, 15 May 2019 01:13:15 EST ID:+8irr0Qf No.175697 Ignore Report Reply
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>>175681
It took me a long time to understand this but they're literally the Sith. They only pay lip service to things like "family values" or the "sanctity of life" as their policies have proven they couldn't give two shits less about any life form that isn't a human embryo, and even then it's iffy. The only thing these people care about is power, and, something I'm missing. Like you see shit in Star Wars and think, man, that is so unrealistic how could any imperial officer be willing to put up with that shit just to be an evil pawn? And yet there they are.

Your mistake was in assuming that they have genuine values or principles. This administration has at least done one good thing which is put to bed that myth. They are willing to back the sleaziest, most corrupt asshole possible if they think they're "winning" or some stupid shit. Stop seeing them as reasonable people. Start looking at them all as Sith. Then you will understand why right wingers act the way they do. It's especially hilarious to me that they would follow or pretend to follow Jesus. Hitler was at least honest about this. It must absolutely pain them so to see something that disgusts them and that they hate so thoroughly being the object of worship. I can only imagine this is what creates that level of self hate and disgust at themselves, because deep down inside they all despise Jesus and everything he stood for, which I'm sure they pretend to flagellate themselves over.

I never understood the self hate before either, but now I do. Now I absolutely understand exactly why it is that Evangelicals all talk about being guilty in the way they do, and the disgust and self hate they feel and the way they talk about Jesus. It's because they each every single last one of them privately worships at the altar of money, and blood, and hate, and war. Mercy, compassion, love, holding wealthy elites and corruption in contempt, these are things they actively despise. They worship greed and fanatical hatred as virtues and it makes them feel guilty to admit this. It's part of why the Gospels aren't even taught in many of these churches. See this is something I bet a lot of people on the left don't know, which is that the Gospels--you know, that super important defining feature of Christianity said to be the words of Jesus Himself to his disciples--is simply glossed over or outright ignored in these right wing Evangelical fucktard congregations. It's why they find it so much easier to worship at the altar of Ayn Rand, because they quite simply don't give a shit about that part and it makes them feel guilty that they don't while they prattle on about Romans and Leviticus.

To really understand them you have to understand this is the party of Mike Pence, and Donald Trump, and Ted Cruz. It is not just the oligarch from NYC. They are almost all just as absolutely slimy and it's just that Trump is kind of like that embarrassing child of the wealthy family who humiliates the rest while they're in polite company and trying to not talk about how they're all a bunch of treasonous whores making payoffs to porn stars to hide their adultery, a generation of vipers who think they can even bribe God with a couple of kickbacks while still making sure to invest in stocks in hell. When you understand this about them, you will understand the Republican party, and you will also understand why some embarrassed Conservatives have looked on in horrified bewilderment because a few of those had at least the pretense of having something akin to that thing called "morals"
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Shit Baddlehood - Wed, 15 May 2019 01:36:59 EST ID:4scaaRdR No.175701 Ignore Report Reply
>>175697

At first I wanted to stallionle at your humorous analogy. lol Star Wars, good one lad. Then I wanted to tease you. Then I realized you're 100% right and I believe everything you just said to the core of my being. Now I feel unhappy. Gets me thinking about the extreme left wingers too and the faults of the rigid Jedi Order. We need a Darth Revan up in here.
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Martha Hugglebatch - Wed, 15 May 2019 03:05:53 EST ID:hTGvLTCN No.175702 Ignore Report Reply
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>>175697
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Fuck Battingwetch - Wed, 15 May 2019 03:59:07 EST ID:JoouyJ9Q No.175703 Ignore Report Reply
>>175702
Got any fresh material in your ebin meme folder, or are you just gonna hit the same notes again?
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Eugene Pigglechark - Wed, 15 May 2019 15:44:39 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.175720 Ignore Report Reply
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If there will be an actual war with Iran... it'll be messy. It'll make the Falklands War look like a lil' Venetian canal boat skirmish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

This guy ripped the whole US Navy a new asshole with assymetrical warfare and a fuckload of anti-ship missiles in a wargame exercise meant to simulate the USA vs. Iran.

Blue is "the USA", Red is "generic Middle-Eastern country (spoiler, it's Iran)"
>Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.
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Fuck Saddlewater - Wed, 15 May 2019 16:34:19 EST ID:+8irr0Qf No.175721 Ignore Report Reply
>>175702
>I'll just post one of a dozen moronic meme pics from my 4cancer folder that'll show him!

.>>175720
yeah it was already mentioned see
>>175468
But of course the obese idiot in office must appease his Zionist masters.
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Ian Buzzfuck - Thu, 16 May 2019 01:18:40 EST ID:vJCCdTXo No.175771 Ignore Report Reply
>>175720

I'm glad the burnt soldier man from the "scared teen marries sweetheart who proposed before getting burned into disfigurment in the marine corps" picture went on to make a difference in the world
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Barnaby Fanshaw - Thu, 16 May 2019 18:57:22 EST ID:NVWwaitB No.175792 Ignore Report Reply
>>175697
This is scary true.
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Nell Snodwater - Thu, 23 May 2019 06:02:03 EST ID:ZSMIwEsX No.175975 Ignore Report Reply
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War with Iran? I hope not
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-crazy-president-iran-confused-white-house-infighting-twitter-1431481
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Betsy Gorringwell - Thu, 23 May 2019 06:21:45 EST ID:8pt/AtPX No.175976 Ignore Report Reply
>>175975
Remember when Trump was the Dove President?
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Emma Minnerdone - Thu, 23 May 2019 12:02:01 EST ID:rQ5wOj7q No.175979 Ignore Report Reply
>>175976
He didn't knock Syria this April, counts for something?
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Angus Drarringkedge - Thu, 23 May 2019 16:04:45 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.175982 Ignore Report Reply
>>175976
No.
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Priscilla Nundleshit - Thu, 23 May 2019 16:15:00 EST ID:EIiZ/vER No.175983 Ignore Report Reply
>>175982
Remember when Hillary was supposed to make Fallout real?
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Rebecca Dobblestone - Thu, 23 May 2019 16:38:40 EST ID:qbaoq342 No.175984 Ignore Report Reply
>>175983
She came pretty close in Libya. And she is just as much of a slave to Saudisrael and the oil lobby and the MIC as Trump is, so it's not like she wouldn't have been just as eager to escalate with Iran. She probably wouldn't have gone about this as sloppily, or ripped up Obama's agreement, but she would absolutely be scheming for some regime-change shit in Iran and elsewhere.

Just because one candidate is an idiot Zionist warhawk doesn't mean the other can't be as well.
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Emma Worthingstock - Thu, 23 May 2019 17:03:54 EST ID:+8irr0Qf No.175987 Ignore Report Reply
>>175984
Every single thing they said so far has been proven more true of Trump than it ever would have for Clinton. The funniest thing is that they also were running around saying "good goy" for everyone who was the least bit skeptical of trump. They lie this much because they dont expect to be called on it or for everyone to have already forgotten while engaged in their newest lies.

Hillary Clinton would've been a better or at least slightly less terrible president than Trunp. Pol was wrong yet again.
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Esther Bardcocke - Thu, 23 May 2019 17:06:11 EST ID:qFtXSnUb No.175988 Ignore Report Reply
>>175984
Does anyone still think 2 party systems are any good? In what way does that not get corrupted? I don't get it.
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Oliver Hindletene - Thu, 23 May 2019 20:21:41 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.175996 Ignore Report Reply
>>175984
Libya wasn't going to turn into a bigger war than it was. Gaddafi's hold on power was weak and the US and NATO just took the opportunity to topple a strongman opposed to American hegemony in the region.

What's really damning about Trump's administration is that he is just following the same general strategy. Reminds me of the Bill Hicks joke about the JFK assassination
>Any questions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMeBgcmTyKA
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Molly Brurringbut - Fri, 24 May 2019 10:05:27 EST ID:EzKU/aXf No.176011 Ignore Report Reply
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>>175987
As a trumpist who fell for the meme, I blame Jared. He and his family are the Poes law of the antiseptic canards.
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Oliver Hindletene - Fri, 24 May 2019 18:54:34 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.176015 Ignore Report Reply
>>176011
I don't really understand why people thought Trump was anti-establishment. He represents the views of the middle class, predominantly white, rank-and-file of the Republican party. I guess he was anti-establishment in the sense he wasn't the candidate the GOP leadership wanted, but the interests of white middle class Republicans is about as "establishment" as you can get without being, like, Merrill Lynch or Alphabet, and the interests of these groups coincide more often than not.
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Nathaniel Sonderworth - Sat, 25 May 2019 11:06:38 EST ID:4eXN7o96 No.176034 Ignore Report Reply
>>176015
They seem to be either too young to remember the trump saga over the last 30 years, only ever seen him on his show that they watched unironically, or the anti-establishment they saw was fascism and they knew the whole time. All three of these groups exist, unfortunately that last one doesn't seem to be the smallest group.
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Frederick Soblingworth - Sat, 25 May 2019 17:02:35 EST ID:+8irr0Qf No.176040 Ignore Report Reply
>>176015
>I don't really understand why people thought Trump was anti-establishment
Because they're fucking dumb that's why. Half the population has an IQ under 100. Always remember that on election day. Republican voters are and always have been complete fucking morons with a few smarter people who are utterly self serving. Then they try and tell themselves it's all Kushner's fault, or the media's, or Soros, or whoever the fuck "changing Trump" because it bruises their egos to much to admit they were wrong to begin with and are a bunch of fucking dumbasses for ever having believed a pathological liar in the first place.
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Fucking Blellerstone - Sat, 25 May 2019 17:44:04 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.176041 Report Reply
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>>176040

>Half the population has an IQ under 100

And there's a clear pattern of where they like to gather in the US as well. See anything interesting?
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Nigel Pockham - Sat, 25 May 2019 18:31:28 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.176042 Ignore Report Reply
>>176034
What people have to learn about GOP voters is that they really just want to see non-white people suffer and die.
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Ebenezer Ducklespear - Sat, 25 May 2019 20:29:32 EST ID:PlPYyJaR No.176044 Ignore Report Reply
>>176040
>Republican voters are and always have been complete fucking morons with a few smarter people who are utterly self serving.

This and always this.
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Matilda Blatherdock - Sat, 25 May 2019 23:10:14 EST ID:8pt/AtPX No.176045 Ignore Report Reply
>>176041
Yeah, that doesn't work because the midwest is domentated by Republicans and is high too..


IQ is bullshit anyway.
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Henry Pummerfane - Sat, 25 May 2019 23:44:35 EST ID:4scaaRdR No.176046 Ignore Report Reply
>>176045

what are you talking about lol midwest is pretty solid progressive zone
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Matilda Chazzlenone - Sun, 26 May 2019 01:14:29 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.176047 Report Reply
>>176045

Bull-fucking-shit the midwest is dominated by republicans. The only reason they have majorities in state positions is blatant gerrymandering.
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Matilda Blatherdock - Sun, 26 May 2019 01:41:02 EST ID:8pt/AtPX No.176049 Ignore Report Reply
>>176047
The midwest is soildy red ever presidential election.
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Matilda Chazzlenone - Sun, 26 May 2019 01:53:54 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.176050 Report Reply
>>176049

Again, sparse populations and gerrymandering. If it weren't for the electoral college, the republicans would never have been in office again after Reagan.
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Matilda Blatherdock - Sun, 26 May 2019 02:13:03 EST ID:8pt/AtPX No.176051 Ignore Report Reply
>>176050
Not gonna argue since I hope its true.

But the main point is that IQ is bullshit, don't use bullshit that White Supremacists love to use.
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Henry Pummerfane - Sun, 26 May 2019 07:10:45 EST ID:4scaaRdR No.176052 Ignore Report Reply
>>176051

its different though, and actually correct. there IS a statistically significant, verifiable correlation between where one lies on the progessive/conservative scale and IQ. as well as physiological differences such as volume/density of the fear centers of the brain, etc.
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Phyllis Climmlesurk - Sun, 26 May 2019 11:08:17 EST ID:QgwvDyjp No.176053 Ignore Report Reply
>>176052
Kill yourself phrenologist dirt bag, I can tell by the shape of your skull that you're a fuckboy

>>176041
Yeah that bastion of republican voters California, right?
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Phyllis Climmlesurk - Sun, 26 May 2019 11:19:21 EST ID:QgwvDyjp No.176054 Ignore Report Reply
Seriously do you guys not hear yourselves here?
"the people from the opposite political spectrum are literally, physiologically lesser than me"
"they don't actually have any political support, the places they win constantly are just blighted empty stretches of gerrymandered farms"
"if we had drawn the electoral map instead of them they wouldn't have touched power for the last 30 years"

How much of a ham handed crypto fascist do you have to be my dudes
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Sophie Drittinghure - Sun, 26 May 2019 13:14:48 EST ID:R/lJg2NR No.176058 Ignore Report Reply
>>176054
Most of that is fair, but that one guy is correct that no republican since Reagan has won the popular vote. Gerrymandering has been a powerful tool used by conservatives for decades.
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Cyril Buncocke - Sun, 26 May 2019 15:10:18 EST ID:hTGvLTCN No.176062 Ignore Report Reply
>>176054

hypocrisy is the ultimate justification.
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Hugh Wandledure - Sun, 26 May 2019 15:57:58 EST ID:tlilhxRg No.176063 Ignore Report Reply
>>176054
They're not wrong though. Republicans have marketed themselves to literal conspiracy theorists and people that believe the world is only 6000 years old.
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Ernest Shittinglock - Sun, 26 May 2019 17:57:26 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.176064 Ignore Report Reply
>>176063
That's not who Republicans have marketed themselves to, that's who the Republican party is and has been made up of. The Republican party leadership is just more accountable to its rank-and-file than the Democratic party is. The GOP elite didn't want Trump. The rank-and-file of pick-up truck owners and evangelical Fascists did.
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Cyril Buncocke - Sun, 26 May 2019 18:09:42 EST ID:hTGvLTCN No.176066 Ignore Report Reply
>>176064

did it ever occur to you nobody really loves trump they just hated hillary more
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Jenny Crurringsedging - Sun, 26 May 2019 19:06:54 EST ID:fpo1elCK No.176067 Ignore Report Reply
>>176066
did it ever occur to you that that narrative is just a convenient way for right-wingers to deny their own responsibility for orange-T? Do you think the lesser of two evils argument for the 2016 election holds any water after everything that's already happened by 2019?
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Fucking Pockspear - Sun, 26 May 2019 20:58:58 EST ID:+8irr0Qf No.176068 Ignore Report Reply
>>176067
It's pretty much a way for them absolving themselves of any sense of personal responsibility so they can march to the ashes of bombed out radioactive cities while still babbling on about
>b-but her emails!
I think by now most of them minus the same fat retarded Fox watching boomers are starting to realize the gravity of their mistake.
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Charles Blattingsut - Sun, 26 May 2019 21:59:04 EST ID:1oIk8TNb No.176072 Ignore Report Reply
>>176068
>the same fat retarded Fox watching boomers
Just imagine, 20 years from now those people won't be a problem anymore.
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Esther Cengernag - Mon, 27 May 2019 10:20:45 EST ID:eW7lNgCN No.176076 Ignore Report Reply
>>176072

We can only pray that they smoke cigarettes and regularly frequent fast food joints
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Fanny Gashchot - Tue, 28 May 2019 03:24:02 EST ID:qFtXSnUb No.176096 Ignore Report Reply
>>176072
One can only hope
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David Nennerdetch - Tue, 28 May 2019 06:48:46 EST ID:pRas7Cwl No.176098 Ignore Report Reply
>>176054
Republicans:
>Let's nuke Iran lel
>Immigrant babies go in cages >:(
>I would personally watch ten thousand people die preventable deaths to make sure negros can't get healthcare
>lolol deus vult kek 1488 pepe lulz
>you crybaby snowflake leftists just don't have what it takes to make the tough decisions, grow a thicker skin!

Also Republicans:
>b-b-but how could you say mean things about us Can't you see how mean you're being? Gosh you're so mean to us, why can't you be nicer??? :```(
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Rebecca Chivingwater - Tue, 28 May 2019 11:11:39 EST ID:QgwvDyjp No.176105 Ignore Report Reply
>>176098
I'm a Canadian socialist and I didn't say you guys are being mean I said you're literally behaving like fascists, and since the people you're opposed to are also fascists that just starts one giant race to the bottom.

When you start to look for biological justifications for why you can ignore entire segments of the political spectrum is when you start to lose whatever moral high ground you want to stand on.
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Sidney Puvingworth - Tue, 28 May 2019 15:34:09 EST ID:YzHGXqax No.176109 Ignore Report Reply
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>>176105
>gerrymandering and the electoral college
>"biological justifications"
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Frederick Finnerville - Tue, 28 May 2019 15:53:15 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.176110 Report Reply
>>176105

If an entire segment of the political spectrum is literally more primitive and less equipped for the world of today....
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Frederick Finnerville - Tue, 28 May 2019 15:53:19 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.176111 Report Reply
>>176105

If an entire segment of the political spectrum is literally more primitive and less equipped for the world of today....
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Archie Clessletune - Tue, 28 May 2019 16:01:59 EST ID:Ku/RhorJ No.176112 Ignore Report Reply
>>176110
Except those grugs are the only thing allowing le current year to not be hand d over to barbarians.
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Frederick Finnerville - Tue, 28 May 2019 16:38:38 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.176113 Report Reply
>>176112

They are the barbarians though. That's the point. Your average GOP voter is a Neanderthal.
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Sophie Grimstock - Tue, 28 May 2019 16:42:37 EST ID:fQhu2mcO No.176114 Ignore Report Reply
>>176113
Neanderthals actually had bigger brains, libs once more owned. Anyways they occupy a sociological niche as a bulwark to something worse and yes evangelicals are only your first shonen foe, worse follows
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Edwin Dimmerletch - Tue, 28 May 2019 17:02:12 EST ID:ZNp++WuG No.176115 Ignore Report Reply
>>176068
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Frederick Finnerville - Tue, 28 May 2019 17:31:21 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.176116 Report Reply
>>176114

Larger brains do not mean more intelligence. Blue whale, for example.
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Augustus Bimmerketch - Tue, 28 May 2019 17:34:34 EST ID:Ad5R1EBC No.176117 Ignore Report Reply
>>176116
Within a kind, there is a statistical link.
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Sidney Puvingworth - Tue, 28 May 2019 17:36:38 EST ID:YzHGXqax No.176118 Ignore Report Reply
>>176114
>Anyways they occupy a sociological niche as a bulwark to something worse and yes evangelicals are only your first shonen foe, worse follows
What exactly is this supposed to mean?
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Augustus Bimmerketch - Tue, 28 May 2019 17:53:07 EST ID:Ad5R1EBC No.176119 Ignore Report Reply
>>176118
Get over the redneck/flyover hate because whatever replaces will be more draconian and illiberal.
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Sidney Puvingworth - Tue, 28 May 2019 17:58:33 EST ID:YzHGXqax No.176120 Ignore Report Reply
>>176119
>whatever replaces
What exactly does this mean?

If we are to evaluate your claim that X serves as a "bulwark" to Y, you need to define what Y is. What exactly would "replace" rednecks that rednecks are protecting us against?
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Frederick Finnerville - Tue, 28 May 2019 18:21:07 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.176121 Report Reply
>>176119

And what exactly is worse than a hoard of dumb, ignorant hicks hell-bent on destroying the country just to "own the libs"?
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Betsy Sengerford - Tue, 28 May 2019 18:50:26 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.176122 Ignore Report Reply
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>>176119
I don't know man, getting put on trial for miscarriages seems pretty illiberal and draconian, Louisiana and Oklahoma having higher incarceration rates than Cuba and the DPRK is wild. Southern GOP voters are, in the philosophical sense, fascists and reactionaries; not conservatives. They have a blood lust for anyone they don't go to church with or aren't kin to. Do you think the post-hippies hopped up on stims and California Ideology are worse? Do you have any reason to believe that besides "they're gonna take mah guns"? Because the southern GOP voters are down for all the bad shit those fuckers want too.

There is one movement that is capable of substantively changing things, and that is communism, the real movement against the current state of things. It is only with the help of the international working class that the American Empire will be overthrown and an International Workers' Republic formed. But first the American working class must band together under its own collective self-institution, overthrow the bosses and elites, seize the means of production, and let the working classes of the world follow our example.
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Fucking Ponderway - Tue, 28 May 2019 19:04:57 EST ID:fpo1elCK No.176123 Ignore Report Reply
>>176122
>>But first the American working class must band together under its own collective self-institution, overthrow the bosses and elites, seize the means of production, and let the working classes of the world follow our example.
Uhm, about that... what's plan B again?
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Betsy Sengerford - Tue, 28 May 2019 19:15:15 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.176124 Ignore Report Reply
>>176123
No plan B, the stakes are just that high. It's socialism or barbarism. You skate, or you die.
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James Climmlehall - Tue, 28 May 2019 19:43:50 EST ID:+8irr0Qf No.176125 Ignore Report Reply
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>>176122
What we need is Liberation Theology tbh m8
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Ebenezer Duckshit - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 05:00:24 EST ID:A5OHViKJ No.176740 Ignore Report Reply
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Why does USA love invading the Middle East? It was Iraq after 9/11 even though most of the NYC Twin Tower terrorists were Saudis.
Now Iran? What the heck is going on?
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Caroline Trotridge - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:07:08 EST ID:8c32w9KN No.176744 Ignore Report Reply
>>176740
  1. US has to invade someone, largely because of the defense lobby, but also because Republican presidents' approval ratings tend go up at times of military conflict
  2. Most middle Eastern countries are vilified by the US, so they won't get too much blow back compared to invading a country Americans generally like
  3. There's a lot of oil there
  4. There's zero chance they will launch an attack on American soil
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Clara Pellerwetch - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 17:21:11 EST ID:+TQnuqZW No.176753 Ignore Report Reply
>>176041
This is entirely apolitical, but your image only reinforces my idea that people who live in places where the sun beats down on you oppressively are just not as interested in education.
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Hugh Womblegold - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:06:36 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.176754 Ignore Report Reply
>>176740
The US has had a hate boner for Iran since the Islamic revolution in '79. Iran since then has been resistant to American imperialism and hegemony, and is growing closer to Russia and China, the latter wanting to build an oil and gas pipeline system there to secure energy access. So it's two things with Iran: one is saltiness over '79 and the overthrow of the US puppet in the last Shah, and the other is their resistance to American hegemony and the role they play in the creation of a multipolar world order.
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Charles Pickbanks - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 00:58:39 EST ID:iu7rXlht No.176763 Ignore Report Reply
>>176754
Reagan was kinda cool. In that sense. No he was not. He freed the students.
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Cyril Sillyshaw - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 01:09:07 EST ID:4scaaRdR No.176765 Ignore Report Reply
>>176754

it is truly a tragedy how the CIA helped the taliban to destroy iran's wonderful society
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Phineas Cenderworth - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 06:30:38 EST ID:FOfwLHWD No.176768 Ignore Report Reply
>>176763
The Reagan admin assholes deliberately tried to hold everything off until Reagan officially took office so they could use it as a publicity stunt. Reagan was quite possibly the worst scum in the history of this country. Not even trump has yet managed to be as overtly criminal and scummy as that asshole and I'm glad he's dead.
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Nigel Forryledge - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 09:18:48 EST ID:KetzL85W No.176769 Ignore Report Reply
>>176763
Reagan marked the beginning of modern US policy: endless wars, illegal coups, deregulation, increased domestic poverty, domestic mass surveillance, censorship. He's the root of a lot of evil in the US, him and his blasted Monroe Doctrine.
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Michael Parenti - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 09:23:56 EST ID:O4m6NL9Q No.176770 Ignore Report Reply
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>>175452
It's amazing how the media cares more about an exploding Japanese oil tanker (that possibly could have been an accident) than the 1000s of people who die because of low wages and lack of healthcare. The carnival of carnage happens everyday at home, and these wag the dog incidents in the Middle East are poorly veiled attempts to prevent social progress for working class American citizens. As soon as Trump initiates a war... All but the most innocuous dissent against working class material conditions and the war will be labeled as assisting some autocracy. Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, and starting a war will surely coerce Americans with expectations of patriotic support of what was a completely preventable conflict into the national conversation (Trump ripped up the Iran nuclear deal for literally no reason).
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Barnaby Nudgekog - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:16:06 EST ID:k4enMT4C No.176771 Ignore Report Reply
>>176770
There's not a lot of profit to be made off of writing stores about poor people dying.
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Ian Siddlestone - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:36:52 EST ID:qFtXSnUb No.176772 Ignore Report Reply
>>176765
You mean liberated their horrible barbarian warlords?
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David Fessleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 09:04:58 EST ID:Q9ovwzxd No.176773 Ignore Report Reply
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>>175452
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/14/oil-tanker-owner-disagrees-with-us-that-mine-caused-blast-near-iran.html
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Nicholas Blemmerridge - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 11:12:20 EST ID:S5wrZ3AB No.176774 Ignore Report Reply
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>>176770
>(Trump ripped up the Iran nuclear deal for literally no reason).

Oh there's a reason alright, it's that asshole of a national security adviser John Bolton.
Fuck John Bolton.
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Nicholas Blemmerridge - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 11:18:31 EST ID:S5wrZ3AB No.176775 Ignore Report Reply
And the irony is the Democrats are culpable, if the had prosecuted Cheney,
Rumsfeld and the rest of the Neocon gang for the warcrimes during and after the
Iraq war, and the false pretenses they've made up to get it stated like they promised
during the election campains this warmonger would think twice about what he's
doing now.
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Walter Fubberway - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 12:37:04 EST ID:1fayXY8Z No.176776 Ignore Report Reply
>>176775
As always, the march of the oligarchy remains the same: left, right, left, right.
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David Fessleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:04:44 EST ID:Q9ovwzxd No.176777 Ignore Report Reply
>>176776
>center-right, right, center-right, right.
fixed that for you
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Ian Bedgestock - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:05:21 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.176778 Ignore Report Reply
>>176774
Trump's evangelical base want a war with Iran because they think a nuclear war will immanentize the eschaton and bring about the rapture. You can't even make this shit up. Pompeo, former CIA director and now Secretary of State, is a hyper-evangelical and believes that the rapture is coming soon. It's not just Bolton, it's the GOP rank-and-file and their chosen leaders who are angling for a religious war with Iran. They want a crusade. So einfach ist das. That's who we're up against.
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Nicholas Blemmerridge - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 16:10:15 EST ID:S5wrZ3AB No.176780 Ignore Report Reply
>>176778
I know, but I do think the pro-apocalypse mindset is a minority even among the evangelic right. Sure religious cranks flock towards influential positions especially when it comes to the middle east.
The thing is corruption stemming from the military industrial complex can in principle be fought against by law. Fighting over the top religious fundamentalism is harder because it's not a rational motivation. (Greed is)
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Ian Drobbleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 16:47:15 EST ID:+8irr0Qf No.176784 Ignore Report Reply
>>17677
Bolton is not an evangelical you retard.
>>176780
This. As cancerous and retarded as Evangelicals are in general this isn't their fault. It's also the Saudi and Israeli lobbies who most want war with Iran, because foreign powers hijacked our national policy, in addition to a bunch of profiteering domestic enemies like say Cheney, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Abrams and all the affiliated neocon PNAC scumbags. Venezuela is another good example of these. You're talking about a bunch of people who only worship money and power.

> he thing is corruption stemming from the military industrial complex can in principle be fought against by law. Fighting over the top religious fundamentalism is harder because it's not a rational motivation. (Greed is)
What an utterly moronic stance to take. You're only butthurt at them for fedora reasons. The people who are routinely making the world a worse place aren't all a bunch of snake handlers and frankly we haven't got the same kind of problem with religious fantacism in government as we do general corruption and greed, despite the fact you'd think it would be greater considering how such large swathes of the country are religious fanatics. Instead our number one biggest problem and the absolute hardest one to root out is the greed and corruption. I happen to think the idea that love of money is the root of all evil is largely true and easily seen in US policy and it is the only area that gets worse and worse and more heavily entrenched every single year whereas the power of the evangelical lobby has largely evaporated over the last three decades.
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Nicholas Blemmerridge - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:07:16 EST ID:S5wrZ3AB No.176786 Ignore Report Reply
>>176784
>What an utterly moronic stance to take. You're only butthurt at them for fedora reasons.
I think you did misunderstand me. Or was that directed at somebody else?

>... I happen to think the idea that love of money is the root of all evil is largely true and easily seen in US policy...
I agree on that

What I was meant to say is you can't prosecute somebody for being a lunatic, especially if they are backed by an organization run by other lunatics.

I guess you mean to say greed is not rational?
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Ian Drobbleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 18:43:34 EST ID:+8irr0Qf No.176788 Ignore Report Reply
>>176786
No I mean to say what I said, which is that Evangelicals aren't even the level of influential they were from Reagan's Moral Majority era nor even of the dubya era, and you cant prosecute people for greed either. Much of the evil shit that happens is institutionalized corruption by people who often haven't broken any laws. They aren't even remotely comparable problems.
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Eliza Wocklemon - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 18:47:58 EST ID:YzHGXqax No.176789 Ignore Report Reply
>>176784
>This. As cancerous and retarded as Evangelicals are in general this isn't their fault.
Bullshit, it is still absolutely their fault. Those two countries wouldn't have the influence they do if so many Americans didn't think it was literally their holy duty to be as big of a violent xenophobic sociopath as is humanly possible.

And do remember that the whole reason American Evangelicism even exists in the form it does today was as a post-hoc justification for slavery, manifest destiny, Jim Crow, robber barons, imperialism and generally being a greedy cunt.
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Phoebe Finnerworth - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 20:37:47 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.176795 Ignore Report Reply
>>176784
I didn't say shit about Bolton for a reason. Pompeo, who directs American foreign policy as Secretary of State, is, however, an evangelical Christian, and evangelical Christianity is the religious outlook of the majority of the Republican rank-and-file, such that every GOP leader has to pander to the fuckers in order to stay in positions of influence within the party. Evangelical Christianity as an ideology very much influences American foreign policy, and it's because evangelicals are bloodthirsty for the deaths of Muslims and other assorted infidels and heretics that a war with Iran is even a possibility.

>foreign powers hijacked our national policy

Fucking who? Which one of them wants a war with Iran? Fucking Russia? China? Both of those countries are geopolitically aligned with Iran, as sponsors of the multi-polar order. Israel and Saudi Arabia go along with the United States are bulwarks of the American Empire. It's not the other way around. We use them, and in return, we tolerate their human rights abuses. It's mutually beneficial, and the two states do interfere in our politics to keep things that way, but if it ever became in the American imperial interest to dump the fuckers, America would.

Now of course I'm not saying, given all that, that the root of the problem is Evangelicals. But the Evangelicals play a big role in providing a base for these imperialist cunts to push for war. To that extent, evangelicalism has to be relentlessly fought, and an atheist cultural hegemony has to be won in areas where evangelicalism currently enjoys hegemonic status. You won't win if you don't challenge your enemies' most basic beliefs. If you can get a population to recognize some beliefs as off limits or some foundational assumptions beyond questioning - such as the way Americans have made private property unquestionable and the promotion of a classless society unthinkable - then your enemies can dominate you. Evangelicalism is a dangerous set of beliefs and it should be combated.
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Archie Blussleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:29:17 EST ID:hUB9qw/q No.176797 Ignore Report Reply
>>176778
Peace sells but who's buying?
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Archie Blussleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:33:27 EST ID:hUB9qw/q No.176798 Ignore Report Reply
>>176797
Quickening the rapture has been quoted many times over.
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Archie Blussleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 23:46:08 EST ID:hUB9qw/q No.176800 Ignore Report Reply
>>176795
>root of the problem is Evangelicals. But the Evangelicals play a big role

Sponsors is a strong word. I love every religion. Why not? I do believe Bolton is a strong leader as was the past. What strikes me as unusual that he became a leadership under trumps leadership. Bolton is kinda a strong voice.
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Phoebe Finnerworth - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 23:53:54 EST ID:Zg4OPEmQ No.176802 Ignore Report Reply
>>176800
when did you have your stroke dude?
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Jack Murdfield - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 00:56:39 EST ID:aLSUF7ok No.176803 Ignore Report Reply
>>176802
Bolton is what? What is your trip
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Sidney Hockledale - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 00:59:37 EST ID:zntBSwID No.176804 Ignore Report Reply
I don't know why people can't understand that the american right wing is coalition of different factions with different perspectives of the world, different amount of control over different aspects of society, but with common objectives. War with Iran suits evangelicals, zionists, imperialists, neocons, oil barons, and weapons manufacturers. So the right collectively pushes for war with Iran in their own ways. Saying one faction is "responsible" is bullshit. Claiming one faction "controls" another is meaningless unless you're talking about a specific vector. Even then you should understand that two groups can mutually exert control over each other in different ways.

I will say that the Neocons are particularly nefarious because they're the ones with a coherent world view that all those factions can individually get behind. They can also convince a bunch of really dumb liberals. Like the ones who get all teary eyed if you show them a picture of Iranian girls in short skirts under the Shah.
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Jack Murdfield - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 02:00:20 EST ID:aLSUF7ok No.176810 Ignore Report Reply
>>176804
>So the right collectively pushes for war with Iran in their own ways

I am not complaining, but a new order is in play with Trumps VP, he does not strike me as being a evangelical per-Se. However he did speak at the evangelical collage recently. I am all cool with Christianity, but any religion can be used in a manner that is difficult at best. to cause chaos.

War with Iran has been an acute if-you-will, has been going since the 60s I guess.
I believe oil is the momentum.

This has kinda been played out though history, they have what we want.
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Clara Dallerhere - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 06:31:21 EST ID:sbRKpDxC No.176814 Ignore Report Reply
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>>176740
The USA Military Industrial Complex Roosevelt warned the country about...
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Nicholas Blackhall - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:13:48 EST ID:4scaaRdR No.176816 Ignore Report Reply
>>176810

the fuck did this dude get banned for?
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Jenny Claywater - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:24:50 EST ID:oV+pL2qT No.176824 Ignore Report Reply
>>176816
so he may leave and get his head checked
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Nell Gandershit - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:42:02 EST ID:NMfMjW3a No.176825 Ignore Report Reply
Iran is a mountainous country of 70+ million people with one of the youngest and most loyal populations in Asia.

USA can't win this war.
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Nathaniel Nickledock - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:40:06 EST ID:+TQnuqZW No.176826 Ignore Report Reply
>>176816
That single post seems normal if just in broken English, but through out the thread dudes arguing(?) with himself or something.
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Betsy Wankinwell - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:14:16 EST ID:ng20boal No.176828 Ignore Report Reply
>>176824
broken english
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Betsy Wankinwell - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:16:53 EST ID:ng20boal No.176829 Ignore Report Reply
>>176816
dork, close down the thread
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Betsy Wankinwell - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:32:33 EST ID:ng20boal No.176830 Ignore Report Reply
first time i have seen a ban, relating to my posts. It makes sense.
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Frederick Bevingworth - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:24:18 EST ID:c0CXbQBu No.176835 Ignore Report Reply
I think the Iran blustering is a bellicose brinksmanship. Other posters have pointed out in this thread it's just a constant war distraction- one or two is not enough anymore. Unless Gauls are invading, people will begin to notice that the citizenry is impoverished.

I hate to see the poverty in the United States. I hate to drive in to cities and see hundreds of people in homeless encampments staking out a living underneath massive mazes of interstate underpasses. This is not a refugee crisis, it's a domestic crisis where the bottom is falling out of a society. How far will the greed of certain industries take us down this path of insanity? How much money needs to be spent to enrich massive corporations before there is a change?

The answer is no amount. The people that are behind this are not Christians. Do not say this is evangelical Christianity, because the people that you are describing, as others have said, don't have practice basic principles of it. The people that are behind this probably do not even realize what they are doing is wrong, because they are insulated from it by layers of wealth and social abstraction.

Over the years as I leave the United States and return it is more and more like returning to a place that is falling apart, more and more concentration of wealth. When I went in to Miami and saw a true homeless city I realized that the economic fantasies of the right wing are simply just fantasies and nothing more, no calculation by a Chicago professor can refute facts on the ground. Of course war, or preferably avoiding war and funding the uranium enriched ball bearing plant in your district to ensure reelection, is the answer.

Hopefully Bernie Sanders will win the democratic nomination in 2020 and turn the "left turn blinker" on before he dies.

Fuck the military that parasitically sucks the blood of our society and the enablers that profit from it, while people die in the streets. Fuck the society that creates these zombies that don't even realize what monsters they are.
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Grammar Nazi - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:17:26 EST ID:KetzL85W No.176839 Ignore Report Reply
>>176810
I almost considered your mild points for a moment, but I noticed that you made a few typos there. I bet you're on drugs, degenerate scum.

lol spunko
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Archie Sellysat - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:14:23 EST ID:4scaaRdR No.176840 Ignore Report Reply
>>176824
>>176826
>>176829

since when is it not welcome on 420chan to be rambling and zapped out of your mind? i been doin it for years son
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Cedric Dirringshit - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:10:57 EST ID:M/Ws53KS No.176843 Report Reply
>>176840

Since they've been doing it for a while and it tends to come off as someone taking the piss
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Phineas Bovingstork - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 20:07:29 EST ID:kJuwL/Nl No.176849 Ignore Report Reply
>>176843
Nah that's just classic spunky spunkin posts up. Ever sine Dr worm had the car accident Spunky has been modding more aggressively.
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Graham Crinningworth - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 01:46:43 EST ID:DXSqXwCG No.176860 Ignore Report Reply
>>176840
you missed the mark. Zapped isn't really a word or description of a person.

Are you simply "zapped out of your mind?" There is a simple reason for person to ban an addy, person is correct. You explained how that works.
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Graham Crinningworth - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 01:51:29 EST ID:DXSqXwCG No.176861 Ignore Report Reply
>>176860
>You explained how that works.

But you, didn't do that correctly
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Graham Crinningworth - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 02:08:46 EST ID:DXSqXwCG No.176862 Ignore Report Reply
>>176861
you did, simple as it was
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George Brosslewutch - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:35:57 EST ID:KetzL85W No.176872 Ignore Report Reply
>>176860
>>176861
>>176862
/dis/ is over here:
https://boards.420chan.org/dis/
nb


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