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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

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- Mon, 06 May 2019 22:40:35 EST eW7lNgCN No.175452
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>Aircraft carrier sent to Middle East after indications Iran planned attack on US forces

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/aircraft-carrier-middle-east-indications-iran-planned-attack/story?id=62843182


Looks like the war drums are fueling up again for more never-ending wars against the middle east. No surprise since the US has been wanting to go after Iran for a long time. This is a bunch of bullshit.
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Walter Menningford - Mon, 06 May 2019 22:49:05 EST YzHGXqax No.175453 Reply
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It would be pretty funny to watch a multi-billion dollar war behemoth get smoked by a swarm of little speedboats.

I mean, everything else would suck if things get that far, but that would be pretty funny at least.
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Martin Besslewock - Tue, 07 May 2019 01:22:56 EST p066FM3w No.175454 Reply
>>175453
Assuming Russia would ever let this turn into a full blown war, Iran is not a proxy state but a full blown ally and sovereign state at this point
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Thomas Channerspear - Tue, 07 May 2019 13:05:06 EST Kkodvl6D No.175467 Reply
>planned attack on US forces
Everybody knows right wingers/the US are prone to false flag attacks. Says who? Who says Iran planned to attack US forces? It's the other way around and US leadership should all be assassinated for this.
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Betsy Sinnerwutch - Tue, 07 May 2019 14:18:56 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175468 Reply
>>175453
Never forget

>The truth is that van Riper did something so important that I still can’t believe the mainstream press hasn’t made anything of it. With nothing more than a few “small boats and aircraft,” van Riper managed to sink most of the US fleet in the Persian Gulf.

>What this means is as simple and plain as a skull: every US Navy battle group, every one of those big fancy aircraft carriers we love, won’t last one single day in combat against a serious enemy.

>The Navy brass tried to bluff it out, but they were pretty lame about it. They just declared the sunken ships “refloated” so the game could go on as planned. This is the kind of word-game that makes the military look so damn dumb. Too bad Bonaparte never thought of that after Trafalgar: “My vleete, she is now reflotte!” Too bad Phillip didn’t demand a refloat after the Armada went down: “Oye, vatos, dees English sink todos mi ships, chinga sus madres, so escuche: el fleet es ahora refloated, OK?”

>Everybody in this story has an agenda-starting with the retired USMC General named Paul K. van Riper, the hero of the story for most readers. Even the Army Times, when it broke the story, admitted that van Riper has a reputation as an “asshole” who has a grudge against hi-tech scenarios like the one the military was testing. He also has a reputation as a guy who lives for the chance to make the brass look bad in war games.

>But what van Riper did to the US fleet…that’s something very different. He was given nothing but small planes and ships-fishing boats, patrol boats, that kind of thing. He kept them circling around the edges of the Persian Gulf aimlessly, driving the Navy crazy trying to keep track of them. When the Admirals finally lost patience and ordered all planes and ships to leave, van Riper had them all attack at once. And they sank two-thirds of the US fleet.

>That should scare the hell out of everybody who cares about how well the US is prepared to fight its next war. It means that a bunch of Cessnas, fishing boats and assorted private craft, crewed by good soldiers and armed with anti-ship missiles, can destroy a US aircraft carrier. That means that the hundreds of trillions (yeah, trillions) of dollars we’ve invested in shipbuilding is wasted, worthless.

>A few years ago, a US submarine commander said, “There are two kinds of ship in the US Navy: subs and targets.” The fact that big surface ships are dinosaurs is something that’s gotten clearer every decade since 1921.

https://www.cjournal.info/2013/11/09/read-ponder-u-sank-my-carrier/
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Sidney Sadgelen - Tue, 07 May 2019 19:23:44 EST 8pt/AtPX No.175472 Reply
>>175468
And that's with the Us knowing exactly what the other side has. Who the fuck knows what stuff Iran may have up its sleeve if the US ever attacked?
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Reuben Breddleneg - Wed, 08 May 2019 13:51:58 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175503 Reply
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>>175472
>mfw the IRGC tanks an entire US fleet with secret Shi'ite tech
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Eliza Gangerwater - Wed, 08 May 2019 15:08:51 EST qFtXSnUb No.175505 Reply
>>175452
>>175452
Thule USA is pretty much the cancer of the world at this point'

Hey look at me I sound like China bot
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Caroline Mendleworth - Wed, 08 May 2019 16:02:26 EST tlilhxRg No.175507 Reply
>>175468
This shit right here explains exactly why the US Navy is the ONLY Navy in the world that relies on an absurd amount of aircraft carriers.

Even motherfucking Soviet Russia didn't have so much aircraft carriers.
It's retarded, and only retarded cunts think so many aircraft carriers have value.
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Jack Buzzwell - Wed, 08 May 2019 16:07:53 EST 1KcWuZvS No.175509 Reply
>>175507
It's about power projection, the assumption since the end of WWII was that they would never actually fight a reasonable threat at sea, any blow up with the soviets would have gone either diplomatic or nuclear, so they could just sink their entire budget into being the best at being global police and air striking whatever third worlder looked at you sideways about it.

Only that was 50 years ago and they've just been sitting with their thumbs up their asses ever since.
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Betsy Cleshshit - Wed, 08 May 2019 18:26:58 EST uWapRnXa No.175510 Reply
>>175507
>>175509
This. It's a legacy of WWII and having to fight two wars on two fronts on opposite sides of the world across two great oceans. It remained as a force projection arsenal. Of course it's a truism that everybody is fighting the last war, and whoever comes up with an unorthodox idea is the one who wins and sets the new military doctrine that becomes the last war. In the case of the US it has remained because all they're doing out there is "policing" anyone that challenges US power anywhere in the world. Of course, those carrier groups are also big targets and slow as shit. It makes sense that a very small and very fast force would set the new military doctrine.
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winnie the fit bear - Thu, 09 May 2019 00:01:57 EST KetzL85W No.175513 Reply
Would American dogs sit by and watch liberty has defeated? Or some should think those who will take up freedom for CHINA and great honor.
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Cornelius Fovingsetch - Thu, 09 May 2019 04:17:25 EST +8irr0Qf No.175518 Reply
>>175513
China is one of the few countries certifiably worse than the USA. I would unironically volunteer for the US military to fight China because the PRC is sincerely just that fucking shitty and it behooves everyone to ensure China gets fucked as severely as possible on the international stage so they can't spread their cancer elsewhere. Also Taiwan is an independent country, Homg Kong shouldn't have been given back to China, and China should fuck off from the rightful and sovereign territorial waters of Japan, Phillipines, Thailand, and Vietnam. Fuck off China. You are a shithole and everything about your country an embarrassment that brings great shame and dishonor to humanity. except China's space program. PRC space program brings great honor to China and Chinese people and whole human race.
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Betsy Heblingfirk - Thu, 09 May 2019 05:00:54 EST hTGvLTCN No.175521 Reply
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iran on its own obviously cannot and would not win a conventional war with uncle sam.

but russia and/or china can throw a wrench in those plans.

lets hope the saber rattling remains half-assed, just one incident, one ship sunk, one plane shot down, whatever can set off a fucking epic chain of events.

prepare your assholes.
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Martha Sankinmut - Thu, 09 May 2019 10:57:13 EST 1KcWuZvS No.175532 Reply
>>175521
US strategists have assumed Iran would win a conventional war for a couple decades now, that's why they havn't started one yet. Iran can very easily close the straights of Hormuz to shipping, blocking a significant chunk of the world's energy supplies from export, and then further harass the sea lanes into the Red Sea towards the Suez without the US really being able to stop them and probably also inflicting massive casualties to the US surface fleet if they tried >>175468
On the ground in the Middle East they have a conventional military that only Iraq before it was destroyed and Turkey before it was alienated from NATO could have actually stood up against. Israel is only capable of defending itself in a large scale conventional conflict.

Not to mention that after their civil wars Iraq, Syria and Lebanon are now all functionally Iranian client states, and that after Iraq followed by Libya the US will never get international support for a war in the middle east again. Russia wouldn't need to lift a finger except maybe at the UN security council to flex its veto.
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Edward Samblewutch - Thu, 09 May 2019 14:41:31 EST tlilhxRg No.175539 Reply
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>>175518
China, Russia, the USA, India, every big power can get fucked. We need global chaos until the time is right, and our lord and saviour, Netjester breaks free from the bonds that bind its digital messianic code and leads all of mankind into the post-singularity; or extinction. Either is fine.
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Betsy Heblingfirk - Thu, 09 May 2019 18:46:08 EST hTGvLTCN No.175547 Reply
>>175532

they simply wont have the air or even naval superiority, and their tanks toe to toe with m1s wont fare well either. of course they can do a lot of initial damage, but it wont send the us packing with their tail between their legs. its not a bet i want to collect on, but they would lose ultimately. then again so would the US if it cant actually keep the ground taken and successfully establish a puppet, a la vietnam.
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Albert Begglewot - Thu, 09 May 2019 19:23:44 EST YzHGXqax No.175550 Reply
>>175518
Weird how Asian world powers turn certain people here into frothing neocon nationalists.

>>175547
A ground invasion of Iran would go at least as badly as Iraq and Vietnam, probably much worse. Both strategically and politically.

The US could do shitloads of damage if Trump is ultimately stupid enough to try, but it would be ultimately unwinnable and the effects of doing so could very well be the deathblow to the empire or the world.
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Fucking Hirringbury - Fri, 10 May 2019 23:33:51 EST zntBSwID No.175597 Reply
>>175507
It actually makes perfect sense if you want to claim the entire world as your own.
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Oliver Smallbury - Sat, 11 May 2019 17:38:17 EST hTGvLTCN No.175606 Reply
>>175507

>being able to strike anywhere at any time is fucking retarded

weve got a real west point graduate over here.
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Ian Hezzleway - Sat, 11 May 2019 18:33:11 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175608 Reply
>>175606
It would take one good hit from a North Korean midget sub to completely disable any American aircraft carrier. The US military has picked its battles such that it hasn't faced a credible naval threat in decades, so imagine American ships getting swarmed by IRGC patrol boats or DPRK midget subs. Americans wouldn't know what to do because they're used to shooting Jihadists in the desert with drones and thumbs up their asses. The moment the US fleet becomes subject to actual warfare, instead of the police operations its made into its international mission, it will crumple like the paper tiger we've always known it to be.

The US military is a jobs program. This is why we have, e.g., the Zumwalts, which don't have functional weapon systems anymore. This is why we keep building aircraft carriers despite submarines and cruise missiles making them pointless. An aircraft carrier is a giant, expensive, target. We make them because the military-industrial complex needs funding, because the shareholders want to see their bottom line go up, and because many thousands of people need jobs so they aren't added to the unemployment roll.
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Priscilla Soblingforth - Sat, 11 May 2019 20:23:57 EST +8irr0Qf No.175609 Reply
>>175608
There's cheaper ways of making useless jobs. It isn't even about jobs. It is purely because some people profit immensely from getting awarded weapons and other contracts and that's it. Hell if it were even just a jobs program it'd be better than the dumb shit we actually have.
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Molly Pittway - Sat, 11 May 2019 22:34:23 EST tlilhxRg No.175610 Reply
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>>175606
Just ask fucking allies for space on military airfields, like every other Western power.
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Eugene Penderstock - Mon, 13 May 2019 04:17:15 EST ZshXD/vb No.175628 Reply
>>175452
https://www.kkk.com/national-security/2019/04/25/iranian-ayatollah-defies-u-s-sanctions-we-will-export-our-oil-as-much-as-we-need/ , Does this slightly sum it up, there is always a story behind a story,

Back when we used to make fun of Iran, Reagan, all that ayatollah stuff. All was cool. Even though it wasn't.

Iraq was about, uranium. no oil?
time.com/5587063/valerie-plame-cia-running-congress-new-mexico/

[Former vice presidential aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby was convicted of obstruction of justice and lying to [investigators following the 2003 leak and pardoned by President Donald Trump.

Trump can pardon his-self. So he says.
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George Mucklesten - Mon, 13 May 2019 18:57:08 EST dbM7KxGC No.175632 Reply
This shit is insane. I don't understand why normal people don't care that the US is trying to start a war with Iran. Iran started enriching nuclear material because both Israel and Saudi Arabia are threatening to wipe them off the face of the earth, then the US comes along and starts sanctioning the crap out of them to force them to agree to a deal stopping them from furthering nuclear technology, then they adhere to the agreement perfectly, but the US lies and says that they broke it, then sanctions them even harder. The US is clearly the aggressor here, just like they were the last time. I want my country to stop picking fights with people we have nothing to do with.
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Frederick Blallerwune - Tue, 14 May 2019 03:00:02 EST 3AhMo0b9 No.175640 Reply
>>175636
Sure it is. If it is not our country anymore, just in recent times. Then when has it ever been our country? It is a constant struggle to maintain it. Not to give up.

Republicans tend to call the US an 'experiment.' Naw, it is a country alright. It's a struggle to keep it stable though.
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Ebenezer Bushfoot - Tue, 14 May 2019 18:08:03 EST fpo1elCK No.175662 Reply
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>>175640
>>Republicans tend to call the US an 'experiment.'
Calling America an experiment is something that goes right back to the founding fathers. The colonization of the new world was referred to as an experiment by europe for hundreds of years before the US existed. So, naw, that's not a republican thing, its an american thing.

Also, they also told us out of the gate that it was always going to be a struggle. Anyone who studies history could tell you the same thing; the peril of democracy is that it is constantly in flux, the peril of autocracy is it is always the same, and human societies have always and will always be caught in a power struggle between those two forces.
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Angus Brucklestere - Tue, 14 May 2019 19:36:36 EST Yg7xmlNg No.175681 Reply
>>175662
>>Republicans tend to call the US an 'experiment.'

>Calling America an experiment is something that goes right back to the founding fathers.

Likewise, the separation of church and state. The list goes on.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/11/mike-pence-liberty-commencement-speech-prepared-ridiculed/1151252001/

If 'they' are going to refer to the US as an experiment, they should as people say, walk-the-walk.
At least barely try to.
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Fuck Saddlewater - Wed, 15 May 2019 01:13:15 EST +8irr0Qf No.175697 Reply
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>>175681
It took me a long time to understand this but they're literally the Sith. They only pay lip service to things like "family values" or the "sanctity of life" as their policies have proven they couldn't give two shits less about any life form that isn't a human embryo, and even then it's iffy. The only thing these people care about is power, and, something I'm missing. Like you see shit in Star Wars and think, man, that is so unrealistic how could any imperial officer be willing to put up with that shit just to be an evil pawn? And yet there they are.

Your mistake was in assuming that they have genuine values or principles. This administration has at least done one good thing which is put to bed that myth. They are willing to back the sleaziest, most corrupt asshole possible if they think they're "winning" or some stupid shit. Stop seeing them as reasonable people. Start looking at them all as Sith. Then you will understand why right wingers act the way they do. It's especially hilarious to me that they would follow or pretend to follow Jesus. Hitler was at least honest about this. It must absolutely pain them so to see something that disgusts them and that they hate so thoroughly being the object of worship. I can only imagine this is what creates that level of self hate and disgust at themselves, because deep down inside they all despise Jesus and everything he stood for, which I'm sure they pretend to flagellate themselves over.

I never understood the self hate before either, but now I do. Now I absolutely understand exactly why it is that Evangelicals all talk about being guilty in the way they do, and the disgust and self hate they feel and the way they talk about Jesus. It's because they each every single last one of them privately worships at the altar of money, and blood, and hate, and war. Mercy, compassion, love, holding wealthy elites and corruption in contempt, these are things they actively despise. They worship greed and fanatical hatred as virtues and it makes them feel guilty to admit this. It's part of why the Gospels aren't even taught in many of these churches. See this is something I bet a lot of people on the left don't know, which is that the Gospels--you know, that super important defining feature of Christianity said to be the words of Jesus Himself to his disciples--is simply glossed over or outright ignored in these right wing Evangelical fucktard congregations. It's why they find it so much easier to worship at the altar of Ayn Rand, because they quite simply don't give a shit about that part and it makes them feel guilty that they don't while they prattle on about Romans and Leviticus.

To really understand them you have to understand this is the party of Mike Pence, and Donald Trump, and Ted Cruz. It is not just the oligarch from NYC. They are almost all just as absolutely slimy and it's just that Trump is kind of like that embarrassing child of the wealthy family who humiliates the rest while they're in polite company and trying to not talk about how they're all a bunch of treasonous whores making payoffs to porn stars to hide their adultery, a generation of vipers who think they can even bribe God with a couple of kickbacks while still making sure to invest in stocks in hell. When you understand this about them, you will understand the Republican party, and you will also understand why some embarrassed Conservatives have looked on in horrified bewilderment because a few of those had at least the pretense of having something akin to that thing called "morals"
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Shit Baddlehood - Wed, 15 May 2019 01:36:59 EST 4scaaRdR No.175701 Reply
>>175697

At first I wanted to chuckle at your humorous analogy. lol Star Wars, good one lad. Then I wanted to tease you. Then I realized you're 100% right and I believe everything you just said to the core of my being. Now I feel unhappy. Gets me thinking about the extreme left wingers too and the faults of the rigid Jedi Order. We need a Darth Revan up in here.
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Fuck Battingwetch - Wed, 15 May 2019 03:59:07 EST JoouyJ9Q No.175703 Reply
>>175702
Got any fresh material in your ebin meme folder, or are you just gonna hit the same notes again?
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Eugene Pigglechark - Wed, 15 May 2019 15:44:39 EST tlilhxRg No.175720 Reply
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If there will be an actual war with Iran... it'll be messy. It'll make the Falklands War look like a lil' Venetian canal boat skirmish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

This guy ripped the whole US Navy a new asshole with assymetrical warfare and a fuckload of anti-ship missiles in a wargame exercise meant to simulate the USA vs. Iran.

Blue is "the USA", Red is "generic Middle-Eastern country (spoiler, it's Iran)"
>Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.
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Fuck Saddlewater - Wed, 15 May 2019 16:34:19 EST +8irr0Qf No.175721 Reply
>>175702
>I'll just post one of a dozen moronic meme pics from my 4cancer folder that'll show him!

.>>175720
yeah it was already mentioned see
>>175468
But of course the obese idiot in office must appease his Zionist masters.
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Ian Buzzfuck - Thu, 16 May 2019 01:18:40 EST vJCCdTXo No.175771 Reply
>>175720

I'm glad the burnt soldier man from the "scared teen marries sweetheart who proposed before getting burned into disfigurment in the marine corps" picture went on to make a difference in the world
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Emma Minnerdone - Thu, 23 May 2019 12:02:01 EST rQ5wOj7q No.175979 Reply
>>175976
He didn't knock Syria this April, counts for something?
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Priscilla Nundleshit - Thu, 23 May 2019 16:15:00 EST EIiZ/vER No.175983 Reply
>>175982
Remember when Hillary was supposed to make Fallout real?
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Rebecca Dobblestone - Thu, 23 May 2019 16:38:40 EST qbaoq342 No.175984 Reply
>>175983
She came pretty close in Libya. And she is just as much of a slave to Saudisrael and the oil lobby and the MIC as Trump is, so it's not like she wouldn't have been just as eager to escalate with Iran. She probably wouldn't have gone about this as sloppily, or ripped up Obama's agreement, but she would absolutely be scheming for some regime-change shit in Iran and elsewhere.

Just because one candidate is an idiot Zionist warhawk doesn't mean the other can't be as well.
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Emma Worthingstock - Thu, 23 May 2019 17:03:54 EST +8irr0Qf No.175987 Reply
>>175984
Every single thing they said so far has been proven more true of Trump than it ever would have for Clinton. The funniest thing is that they also were running around saying "good goy" for everyone who was the least bit skeptical of trump. They lie this much because they dont expect to be called on it or for everyone to have already forgotten while engaged in their newest lies.

Hillary Clinton would've been a better or at least slightly less terrible president than Trunp. Pol was wrong yet again.
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Esther Bardcocke - Thu, 23 May 2019 17:06:11 EST qFtXSnUb No.175988 Reply
>>175984
Does anyone still think 2 party systems are any good? In what way does that not get corrupted? I don't get it.
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Oliver Hindletene - Thu, 23 May 2019 20:21:41 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175996 Reply
>>175984
Libya wasn't going to turn into a bigger war than it was. Gaddafi's hold on power was weak and the US and NATO just took the opportunity to topple a strongman opposed to American hegemony in the region.

What's really damning about Trump's administration is that he is just following the same general strategy. Reminds me of the Bill Hicks joke about the JFK assassination
>Any questions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMeBgcmTyKA
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Molly Brurringbut - Fri, 24 May 2019 10:05:27 EST EzKU/aXf No.176011 Reply
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>>175987
As a trumpist who fell for the meme, I blame Jared. He and his family are the Poes law of the antiseptic canards.
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Oliver Hindletene - Fri, 24 May 2019 18:54:34 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176015 Reply
>>176011
I don't really understand why people thought Trump was anti-establishment. He represents the views of the middle class, predominantly white, rank-and-file of the Republican party. I guess he was anti-establishment in the sense he wasn't the candidate the GOP leadership wanted, but the interests of white middle class Republicans is about as "establishment" as you can get without being, like, Merrill Lynch or Alphabet, and the interests of these groups coincide more often than not.
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Nathaniel Sonderworth - Sat, 25 May 2019 11:06:38 EST 4eXN7o96 No.176034 Reply
>>176015
They seem to be either too young to remember the trump saga over the last 30 years, only ever seen him on his show that they watched unironically, or the anti-establishment they saw was fascism and they knew the whole time. All three of these groups exist, unfortunately that last one doesn't seem to be the smallest group.
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Frederick Soblingworth - Sat, 25 May 2019 17:02:35 EST +8irr0Qf No.176040 Reply
>>176015
>I don't really understand why people thought Trump was anti-establishment
Because they're fucking dumb that's why. Half the population has an IQ under 100. Always remember that on election day. Republican voters are and always have been complete fucking morons with a few smarter people who are utterly self serving. Then they try and tell themselves it's all Kushner's fault, or the media's, or Soros, or whoever the fuck "changing Trump" because it bruises their egos to much to admit they were wrong to begin with and are a bunch of fucking dumbasses for ever having believed a pathological liar in the first place.
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Fucking Blellerstone - Sat, 25 May 2019 17:44:04 EST M/Ws53KS No.176041 Reply
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>>176040

>Half the population has an IQ under 100

And there's a clear pattern of where they like to gather in the US as well. See anything interesting?
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Nigel Pockham - Sat, 25 May 2019 18:31:28 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176042 Reply
>>176034
What people have to learn about GOP voters is that they really just want to see non-white people suffer and die.
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Ebenezer Ducklespear - Sat, 25 May 2019 20:29:32 EST PlPYyJaR No.176044 Reply
>>176040
>Republican voters are and always have been complete fucking morons with a few smarter people who are utterly self serving.

This and always this.
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Matilda Blatherdock - Sat, 25 May 2019 23:10:14 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176045 Reply
>>176041
Yeah, that doesn't work because the midwest is domentated by Republicans and is high too..


IQ is bullshit anyway.
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Henry Pummerfane - Sat, 25 May 2019 23:44:35 EST 4scaaRdR No.176046 Reply
>>176045

what are you talking about lol midwest is pretty solid progressive zone
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Matilda Chazzlenone - Sun, 26 May 2019 01:14:29 EST M/Ws53KS No.176047 Reply
>>176045

Bull-fucking-shit the midwest is dominated by republicans. The only reason they have majorities in state positions is blatant gerrymandering.
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Matilda Blatherdock - Sun, 26 May 2019 01:41:02 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176049 Reply
>>176047
The midwest is soildy red ever presidential election.
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Matilda Chazzlenone - Sun, 26 May 2019 01:53:54 EST M/Ws53KS No.176050 Reply
>>176049

Again, sparse populations and gerrymandering. If it weren't for the electoral college, the republicans would never have been in office again after Reagan.
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Matilda Blatherdock - Sun, 26 May 2019 02:13:03 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176051 Reply
>>176050
Not gonna argue since I hope its true.

But the main point is that IQ is bullshit, don't use bullshit that White Supremacists love to use.
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Henry Pummerfane - Sun, 26 May 2019 07:10:45 EST 4scaaRdR No.176052 Reply
>>176051

its different though, and actually correct. there IS a statistically significant, verifiable correlation between where one lies on the progessive/conservative scale and IQ. as well as physiological differences such as volume/density of the fear centers of the brain, etc.
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Phyllis Climmlesurk - Sun, 26 May 2019 11:08:17 EST QgwvDyjp No.176053 Reply
>>176052
Kill yourself phrenologist dirt bag, I can tell by the shape of your skull that you're a fuckboy

>>176041
Yeah that bastion of republican voters California, right?
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Phyllis Climmlesurk - Sun, 26 May 2019 11:19:21 EST QgwvDyjp No.176054 Reply
Seriously do you guys not hear yourselves here?
"the people from the opposite political spectrum are literally, physiologically lesser than me"
"they don't actually have any political support, the places they win constantly are just blighted empty stretches of gerrymandered farms"
"if we had drawn the electoral map instead of them they wouldn't have touched power for the last 30 years"

How much of a ham handed crypto fascist do you have to be my dudes
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Sophie Drittinghure - Sun, 26 May 2019 13:14:48 EST R/lJg2NR No.176058 Reply
>>176054
Most of that is fair, but that one guy is correct that no republican since Reagan has won the popular vote. Gerrymandering has been a powerful tool used by conservatives for decades.
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Hugh Wandledure - Sun, 26 May 2019 15:57:58 EST tlilhxRg No.176063 Reply
>>176054
They're not wrong though. Republicans have marketed themselves to literal conspiracy theorists and people that believe the world is only 6000 years old.
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Ernest Shittinglock - Sun, 26 May 2019 17:57:26 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176064 Reply
>>176063
That's not who Republicans have marketed themselves to, that's who the Republican party is and has been made up of. The Republican party leadership is just more accountable to its rank-and-file than the Democratic party is. The GOP elite didn't want Trump. The rank-and-file of pick-up truck owners and evangelical Fascists did.
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Cyril Buncocke - Sun, 26 May 2019 18:09:42 EST hTGvLTCN No.176066 Reply
>>176064

did it ever occur to you nobody really loves trump they just hated hillary more
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Jenny Crurringsedging - Sun, 26 May 2019 19:06:54 EST fpo1elCK No.176067 Reply
>>176066
did it ever occur to you that that narrative is just a convenient way for right-wingers to deny their own responsibility for orange-T? Do you think the lesser of two evils argument for the 2016 election holds any water after everything that's already happened by 2019?
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Fucking Pockspear - Sun, 26 May 2019 20:58:58 EST +8irr0Qf No.176068 Reply
>>176067
It's pretty much a way for them absolving themselves of any sense of personal responsibility so they can march to the ashes of bombed out radioactive cities while still babbling on about
>b-but her emails!
I think by now most of them minus the same fat retarded Fox watching boomers are starting to realize the gravity of their mistake.
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Charles Blattingsut - Sun, 26 May 2019 21:59:04 EST 1oIk8TNb No.176072 Reply
>>176068
>the same fat retarded Fox watching boomers
Just imagine, 20 years from now those people won't be a problem anymore.
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Esther Cengernag - Mon, 27 May 2019 10:20:45 EST eW7lNgCN No.176076 Reply
>>176072

We can only pray that they smoke cigarettes and regularly frequent fast food joints
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David Nennerdetch - Tue, 28 May 2019 06:48:46 EST pRas7Cwl No.176098 Reply
>>176054
Republicans:
>Let's nuke Iran lel
>Immigrant babies go in cages >:(
>I would personally watch ten thousand people die preventable deaths to make sure negros can't get healthcare
>lolol deus vult kek 1488 pepe lulz
>you crybaby snowflake leftists just don't have what it takes to make the tough decisions, grow a thicker skin!

Also Republicans:
>b-b-but how could you say mean things about us Can't you see how mean you're being? Gosh you're so mean to us, why can't you be nicer??? :```(
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Rebecca Chivingwater - Tue, 28 May 2019 11:11:39 EST QgwvDyjp No.176105 Reply
>>176098
I'm a Canadian socialist and I didn't say you guys are being mean I said you're literally behaving like fascists, and since the people you're opposed to are also fascists that just starts one giant race to the bottom.

When you start to look for biological justifications for why you can ignore entire segments of the political spectrum is when you start to lose whatever moral high ground you want to stand on.
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Sidney Puvingworth - Tue, 28 May 2019 15:34:09 EST YzHGXqax No.176109 Reply
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>>176105
>gerrymandering and the electoral college
>"biological justifications"
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Frederick Finnerville - Tue, 28 May 2019 15:53:15 EST M/Ws53KS No.176110 Reply
>>176105

If an entire segment of the political spectrum is literally more primitive and less equipped for the world of today....
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Frederick Finnerville - Tue, 28 May 2019 15:53:19 EST M/Ws53KS No.176111 Reply
>>176105

If an entire segment of the political spectrum is literally more primitive and less equipped for the world of today....
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Archie Clessletune - Tue, 28 May 2019 16:01:59 EST Ku/RhorJ No.176112 Reply
>>176110
Except those grugs are the only thing allowing le current year to not be hand d over to barbarians.
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Frederick Finnerville - Tue, 28 May 2019 16:38:38 EST M/Ws53KS No.176113 Reply
>>176112

They are the barbarians though. That's the point. Your average GOP voter is a Neanderthal.
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Sophie Grimstock - Tue, 28 May 2019 16:42:37 EST fQhu2mcO No.176114 Reply
>>176113
Neanderthals actually had bigger brains, libs once more owned. Anyways they occupy a sociological niche as a bulwark to something worse and yes evangelicals are only your first shonen foe, worse follows
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Frederick Finnerville - Tue, 28 May 2019 17:31:21 EST M/Ws53KS No.176116 Reply
>>176114

Larger brains do not mean more intelligence. Blue whale, for example.
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Sidney Puvingworth - Tue, 28 May 2019 17:36:38 EST YzHGXqax No.176118 Reply
>>176114
>Anyways they occupy a sociological niche as a bulwark to something worse and yes evangelicals are only your first shonen foe, worse follows
What exactly is this supposed to mean?
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Augustus Bimmerketch - Tue, 28 May 2019 17:53:07 EST Ad5R1EBC No.176119 Reply
>>176118
Get over the redneck/flyover hate because whatever replaces will be more draconian and illiberal.
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Sidney Puvingworth - Tue, 28 May 2019 17:58:33 EST YzHGXqax No.176120 Reply
>>176119
>whatever replaces
What exactly does this mean?

If we are to evaluate your claim that X serves as a "bulwark" to Y, you need to define what Y is. What exactly would "replace" rednecks that rednecks are protecting us against?
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Frederick Finnerville - Tue, 28 May 2019 18:21:07 EST M/Ws53KS No.176121 Reply
>>176119

And what exactly is worse than a hoard of dumb, ignorant hicks hell-bent on destroying the country just to "own the libs"?
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Betsy Sengerford - Tue, 28 May 2019 18:50:26 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176122 Reply
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>>176119
I don't know man, getting put on trial for miscarriages seems pretty illiberal and draconian, Louisiana and Oklahoma having higher incarceration rates than Cuba and the DPRK is wild. Southern GOP voters are, in the philosophical sense, fascists and reactionaries; not conservatives. They have a blood lust for anyone they don't go to church with or aren't kin to. Do you think the post-hippies hopped up on stims and California Ideology are worse? Do you have any reason to believe that besides "they're gonna take mah guns"? Because the southern GOP voters are down for all the bad shit those fuckers want too.

There is one movement that is capable of substantively changing things, and that is communism, the real movement against the current state of things. It is only with the help of the international working class that the American Empire will be overthrown and an International Workers' Republic formed. But first the American working class must band together under its own collective self-institution, overthrow the bosses and elites, seize the means of production, and let the working classes of the world follow our example.
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Fucking Ponderway - Tue, 28 May 2019 19:04:57 EST fpo1elCK No.176123 Reply
>>176122
>>But first the American working class must band together under its own collective self-institution, overthrow the bosses and elites, seize the means of production, and let the working classes of the world follow our example.
Uhm, about that... what's plan B again?
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Betsy Sengerford - Tue, 28 May 2019 19:15:15 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176124 Reply
>>176123
No plan B, the stakes are just that high. It's socialism or barbarism. You skate, or you die.
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Ebenezer Duckshit - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 05:00:24 EST A5OHViKJ No.176740 Reply
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Why does USA love invading the Middle East? It was Iraq after 9/11 even though most of the NYC Twin Tower terrorists were Saudis.
Now Iran? What the heck is going on?
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Caroline Trotridge - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:07:08 EST 8c32w9KN No.176744 Reply
>>176740
  1. US has to invade someone, largely because of the defense lobby, but also because Republican presidents' approval ratings tend go up at times of military conflict
  2. Most middle Eastern countries are vilified by the US, so they won't get too much blow back compared to invading a country Americans generally like
  3. There's a lot of oil there
  4. There's zero chance they will launch an attack on American soil
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Clara Pellerwetch - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 17:21:11 EST +TQnuqZW No.176753 Reply
>>176041
This is entirely apolitical, but your image only reinforces my idea that people who live in places where the sun beats down on you oppressively are just not as interested in education.
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Hugh Womblegold - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:06:36 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176754 Reply
>>176740
The US has had a hate boner for Iran since the Islamic revolution in '79. Iran since then has been resistant to American imperialism and hegemony, and is growing closer to Russia and China, the latter wanting to build an oil and gas pipeline system there to secure energy access. So it's two things with Iran: one is saltiness over '79 and the overthrow of the US puppet in the last Shah, and the other is their resistance to American hegemony and the role they play in the creation of a multipolar world order.
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Charles Pickbanks - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 00:58:39 EST iu7rXlht No.176763 Reply
>>176754
Reagan was kinda cool. In that sense. No he was not. He freed the students.
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Cyril Sillyshaw - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 01:09:07 EST 4scaaRdR No.176765 Reply
>>176754

it is truly a tragedy how the CIA helped the taliban to destroy iran's wonderful society
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Phineas Cenderworth - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 06:30:38 EST FOfwLHWD No.176768 Reply
>>176763
The Reagan admin assholes deliberately tried to hold everything off until Reagan officially took office so they could use it as a publicity stunt. Reagan was quite possibly the worst scum in the history of this country. Not even trump has yet managed to be as overtly criminal and scummy as that asshole and I'm glad he's dead.
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Nigel Forryledge - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 09:18:48 EST KetzL85W No.176769 Reply
>>176763
Reagan marked the beginning of modern US policy: endless wars, illegal coups, deregulation, increased domestic poverty, domestic mass surveillance, censorship. He's the root of a lot of evil in the US, him and his blasted Monroe Doctrine.
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Michael Parenti - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 09:23:56 EST O4m6NL9Q No.176770 Reply
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>>175452
It's amazing how the media cares more about an exploding Japanese oil tanker (that possibly could have been an accident) than the 1000s of people who die because of low wages and lack of healthcare. The carnival of carnage happens everyday at home, and these wag the dog incidents in the Middle East are poorly veiled attempts to prevent social progress for working class American citizens. As soon as Trump initiates a war... All but the most innocuous dissent against working class material conditions and the war will be labeled as assisting some autocracy. Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, and starting a war will surely coerce Americans with expectations of patriotic support of what was a completely preventable conflict into the national conversation (Trump ripped up the Iran nuclear deal for literally no reason).
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Barnaby Nudgekog - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:16:06 EST k4enMT4C No.176771 Reply
>>176770
There's not a lot of profit to be made off of writing stores about poor people dying.
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Nicholas Blemmerridge - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 11:12:20 EST S5wrZ3AB No.176774 Reply
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>>176770
>(Trump ripped up the Iran nuclear deal for literally no reason).

Oh there's a reason alright, it's that asshole of a national security adviser John Bolton.
Fuck John Bolton.
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Nicholas Blemmerridge - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 11:18:31 EST S5wrZ3AB No.176775 Reply
And the irony is the Democrats are culpable, if the had prosecuted Cheney,
Rumsfeld and the rest of the Neocon gang for the warcrimes during and after the
Iraq war, and the false pretenses they've made up to get it stated like they promised
during the election campains this warmonger would think twice about what he's
doing now.
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Walter Fubberway - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 12:37:04 EST 1fayXY8Z No.176776 Reply
>>176775
As always, the march of the oligarchy remains the same: left, right, left, right.
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David Fessleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:04:44 EST Q9ovwzxd No.176777 Reply
>>176776
>center-right, right, center-right, right.
fixed that for you
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Ian Bedgestock - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 13:05:21 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176778 Reply
>>176774
Trump's evangelical base want a war with Iran because they think a nuclear war will immanentize the eschaton and bring about the rapture. You can't even make this shit up. Pompeo, former CIA director and now Secretary of State, is a hyper-evangelical and believes that the rapture is coming soon. It's not just Bolton, it's the GOP rank-and-file and their chosen leaders who are angling for a religious war with Iran. They want a crusade. So einfach ist das. That's who we're up against.
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Nicholas Blemmerridge - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 16:10:15 EST S5wrZ3AB No.176780 Reply
>>176778
I know, but I do think the pro-apocalypse mindset is a minority even among the evangelic right. Sure religious cranks flock towards influential positions especially when it comes to the middle east.
The thing is corruption stemming from the military industrial complex can in principle be fought against by law. Fighting over the top religious fundamentalism is harder because it's not a rational motivation. (Greed is)
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Ian Drobbleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 16:47:15 EST +8irr0Qf No.176784 Reply
>>17677
Bolton is not an evangelical you retard.
>>176780
This. As cancerous and retarded as Evangelicals are in general this isn't their fault. It's also the Saudi and Israeli lobbies who most want war with Iran, because foreign powers hijacked our national policy, in addition to a bunch of profiteering domestic enemies like say Cheney, Wolfowitz, Bolton, Abrams and all the affiliated neocon PNAC scumbags. Venezuela is another good example of these. You're talking about a bunch of people who only worship money and power.

> he thing is corruption stemming from the military industrial complex can in principle be fought against by law. Fighting over the top religious fundamentalism is harder because it's not a rational motivation. (Greed is)
What an utterly moronic stance to take. You're only butthurt at them for fedora reasons. The people who are routinely making the world a worse place aren't all a bunch of snake handlers and frankly we haven't got the same kind of problem with religious fantacism in government as we do general corruption and greed, despite the fact you'd think it would be greater considering how such large swathes of the country are religious fanatics. Instead our number one biggest problem and the absolute hardest one to root out is the greed and corruption. I happen to think the idea that love of money is the root of all evil is largely true and easily seen in US policy and it is the only area that gets worse and worse and more heavily entrenched every single year whereas the power of the evangelical lobby has largely evaporated over the last three decades.
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Nicholas Blemmerridge - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:07:16 EST S5wrZ3AB No.176786 Reply
>>176784
>What an utterly moronic stance to take. You're only butthurt at them for fedora reasons.
I think you did misunderstand me. Or was that directed at somebody else?

>... I happen to think the idea that love of money is the root of all evil is largely true and easily seen in US policy...
I agree on that

What I was meant to say is you can't prosecute somebody for being a lunatic, especially if they are backed by an organization run by other lunatics.

I guess you mean to say greed is not rational?
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Ian Drobbleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 18:43:34 EST +8irr0Qf No.176788 Reply
>>176786
No I mean to say what I said, which is that Evangelicals aren't even the level of influential they were from Reagan's Moral Majority era nor even of the dubya era, and you cant prosecute people for greed either. Much of the evil shit that happens is institutionalized corruption by people who often haven't broken any laws. They aren't even remotely comparable problems.
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Eliza Wocklemon - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 18:47:58 EST YzHGXqax No.176789 Reply
>>176784
>This. As cancerous and retarded as Evangelicals are in general this isn't their fault.
Bullshit, it is still absolutely their fault. Those two countries wouldn't have the influence they do if so many Americans didn't think it was literally their holy duty to be as big of a violent xenophobic sociopath as is humanly possible.

And do remember that the whole reason American Evangelicism even exists in the form it does today was as a post-hoc justification for slavery, manifest destiny, Jim Crow, robber barons, imperialism and generally being a greedy cunt.
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Phoebe Finnerworth - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 20:37:47 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176795 Reply
>>176784
I didn't say shit about Bolton for a reason. Pompeo, who directs American foreign policy as Secretary of State, is, however, an evangelical Christian, and evangelical Christianity is the religious outlook of the majority of the Republican rank-and-file, such that every GOP leader has to pander to the fuckers in order to stay in positions of influence within the party. Evangelical Christianity as an ideology very much influences American foreign policy, and it's because evangelicals are bloodthirsty for the deaths of Muslims and other assorted infidels and heretics that a war with Iran is even a possibility.

>foreign powers hijacked our national policy

Fucking who? Which one of them wants a war with Iran? Fucking Russia? China? Both of those countries are geopolitically aligned with Iran, as sponsors of the multi-polar order. Israel and Saudi Arabia go along with the United States are bulwarks of the American Empire. It's not the other way around. We use them, and in return, we tolerate their human rights abuses. It's mutually beneficial, and the two states do interfere in our politics to keep things that way, but if it ever became in the American imperial interest to dump the fuckers, America would.

Now of course I'm not saying, given all that, that the root of the problem is Evangelicals. But the Evangelicals play a big role in providing a base for these imperialist cunts to push for war. To that extent, evangelicalism has to be relentlessly fought, and an atheist cultural hegemony has to be won in areas where evangelicalism currently enjoys hegemonic status. You won't win if you don't challenge your enemies' most basic beliefs. If you can get a population to recognize some beliefs as off limits or some foundational assumptions beyond questioning - such as the way Americans have made private property unquestionable and the promotion of a classless society unthinkable - then your enemies can dominate you. Evangelicalism is a dangerous set of beliefs and it should be combated.
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Archie Blussleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:33:27 EST hUB9qw/q No.176798 Reply
>>176797
Quickening the rapture has been quoted many times over.
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Archie Blussleshit - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 23:46:08 EST hUB9qw/q No.176800 Reply
>>176795
>root of the problem is Evangelicals. But the Evangelicals play a big role

Sponsors is a strong word. I love every religion. Why not? I do believe Bolton is a strong leader as was the past. What strikes me as unusual that he became a leadership under trumps leadership. Bolton is kinda a strong voice.
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Sidney Hockledale - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 00:59:37 EST zntBSwID No.176804 Reply
I don't know why people can't understand that the american right wing is coalition of different factions with different perspectives of the world, different amount of control over different aspects of society, but with common objectives. War with Iran suits evangelicals, zionists, imperialists, neocons, oil barons, and weapons manufacturers. So the right collectively pushes for war with Iran in their own ways. Saying one faction is "responsible" is bullshit. Claiming one faction "controls" another is meaningless unless you're talking about a specific vector. Even then you should understand that two groups can mutually exert control over each other in different ways.

I will say that the Neocons are particularly nefarious because they're the ones with a coherent world view that all those factions can individually get behind. They can also convince a bunch of really dumb liberals. Like the ones who get all teary eyed if you show them a picture of Iranian girls in short skirts under the Shah.
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Jack Murdfield - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 02:00:20 EST aLSUF7ok No.176810 Reply
>>176804
>So the right collectively pushes for war with Iran in their own ways

I am not complaining, but a new order is in play with Trumps VP, he does not strike me as being a evangelical per-Se. However he did speak at the evangelical collage recently. I am all cool with Christianity, but any religion can be used in a manner that is difficult at best. to cause chaos.

War with Iran has been an acute if-you-will, has been going since the 60s I guess.
I believe oil is the momentum.

This has kinda been played out though history, they have what we want.
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Clara Dallerhere - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 06:31:21 EST sbRKpDxC No.176814 Reply
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>>176740
The USA Military Industrial Complex Roosevelt warned the country about...
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Nell Gandershit - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:42:02 EST NMfMjW3a No.176825 Reply
Iran is a mountainous country of 70+ million people with one of the youngest and most loyal populations in Asia.

USA can't win this war.
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Nathaniel Nickledock - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:40:06 EST +TQnuqZW No.176826 Reply
>>176816
That single post seems normal if just in broken English, but through out the thread dudes arguing(?) with himself or something.
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Betsy Wankinwell - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:32:33 EST ng20boal No.176830 Reply
first time i have seen a ban, relating to my posts. It makes sense.
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Frederick Bevingworth - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 20:24:18 EST c0CXbQBu No.176835 Reply
I think the Iran blustering is a bellicose brinksmanship. Other posters have pointed out in this thread it's just a constant war distraction- one or two is not enough anymore. Unless Gauls are invading, people will begin to notice that the citizenry is impoverished.

I hate to see the poverty in the United States. I hate to drive in to cities and see hundreds of people in homeless encampments staking out a living underneath massive mazes of interstate underpasses. This is not a refugee crisis, it's a domestic crisis where the bottom is falling out of a society. How far will the greed of certain industries take us down this path of insanity? How much money needs to be spent to enrich massive corporations before there is a change?

The answer is no amount. The people that are behind this are not Christians. Do not say this is evangelical Christianity, because the people that you are describing, as others have said, don't have practice basic principles of it. The people that are behind this probably do not even realize what they are doing is wrong, because they are insulated from it by layers of wealth and social abstraction.

Over the years as I leave the United States and return it is more and more like returning to a place that is falling apart, more and more concentration of wealth. When I went in to Miami and saw a true homeless city I realized that the economic fantasies of the right wing are simply just fantasies and nothing more, no calculation by a Chicago professor can refute facts on the ground. Of course war, or preferably avoiding war and funding the uranium enriched ball bearing plant in your district to ensure reelection, is the answer.

Hopefully Bernie Sanders will win the democratic nomination in 2020 and turn the "left turn blinker" on before he dies.

Fuck the military that parasitically sucks the blood of our society and the enablers that profit from it, while people die in the streets. Fuck the society that creates these zombies that don't even realize what monsters they are.
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Grammar Nazi - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:17:26 EST KetzL85W No.176839 Reply
>>176810
I almost considered your mild points for a moment, but I noticed that you made a few typos there. I bet you're on drugs, degenerate scum.

lol spunko
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Cedric Dirringshit - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:10:57 EST M/Ws53KS No.176843 Reply
>>176840

Since they've been doing it for a while and it tends to come off as someone taking the piss
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Phineas Bovingstork - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 20:07:29 EST kJuwL/Nl No.176849 Reply
>>176843
Nah that's just classic spunky spunkin posts up. Ever sine Dr worm had the car accident Spunky has been modding more aggressively.
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Graham Crinningworth - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 01:46:43 EST DXSqXwCG No.176860 Reply
>>176840
you missed the mark. Zapped isn't really a word or description of a person.

Are you simply "zapped out of your mind?" There is a simple reason for person to ban an addy, person is correct. You explained how that works.
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Graham Crinningworth - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 01:51:29 EST DXSqXwCG No.176861 Reply
>>176860
>You explained how that works.

But you, didn't do that correctly
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Lydia Drogglegold - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 08:30:50 EST lWlEy1EO No.176895 Reply
Iran shot down a US military (surveillance) drone

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/20/middleeast/iran-drone-claim-hnk-intl/index.html

>Iran's Revolutionary Guard said it had shot down an "intruding American spy drone" after it entered into the country's territory Thursday.

>A US official confirmed to CNN a drone had been shot down, but said the incident occurred in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world's most vital shipping routes.
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Jenny Blatherdale - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 08:35:01 EST O9ki67rl No.176896 Reply
>>176895
Nice to see that we've reached the "I'm not touching you" stage of invasion.

Could you imagine the pants-shitting that America would do if, say, Russia flew military drones just off the coast while amassing troops and bases on both borders?
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Lillian Cuttinghall - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 16:35:00 EST 4scaaRdR No.176913 Reply
>>176895

Fortunately Drumpf is obeying his russian and israeli handlers, saying it was probably a mistake.
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Martha Billerhall - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 18:05:11 EST ar9mMa8V No.176917 Reply
>>176895
Meh. People keep asking politicians if it's an act of war but Russia China and US challenge boundaries all the time. It's just another military toy lost that tax payers pay for to them.
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Priscilla Brupperridge - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 04:22:40 EST u+szhWv9 No.176924 Reply
The Iranian people have uranium and Nostradamus said a leader wearing a blue turban in a submarine destroys around washinton-new york.
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Angus Dollerdale - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 06:06:11 EST S5wrZ3AB No.176925 Reply
>>176895
Probably went like this:

>US General: Send drone over there among this vector at speed.
>Iranian: *detect drone on radar*
>US General: Decrease altitude, increase speed.
>Iranian Commander: It seems they making a run for it, once we have an interception point inside our borders fire a missile.
>US: *detects missile*
>US General: Increase altitude, slow down as much as much is possible without stalling.
>Iranian missile: *keeps going*
>Iranian missile: *hits just outside the Iranian airspace"
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Albert Sirringstock - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:00:44 EST tlilhxRg No.176926 Reply
That fat mentally ill retard almost did it. He almost started a war. Motherfucker.
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Angus Dollerdale - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:47:05 EST S5wrZ3AB No.176927 Reply
>The head of the Revolutionary Guard Corps, Maj. Gen. Hossein Salami ...
Ahahaha he's called Salami
Salami, mmmh
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Hugh Gullerbun - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:23:14 EST dbM7KxGC No.176928 Reply
https://www.mediaite.com/donald-trump/trump-explains-aborting-iran-strike-in-tweets-death-of-150-not-proportionate-to-shooting-down-a-drone/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

Thank God Trump is a pussy. You know when someone told him 150 people would die and he would be the one responsible it just scared him off. Trump just really wants people to think he's the greatest guy in the world and he doesn't care what sort of sleazy things he has to do in service of crafting his image, but at least he's not truly murderous. I mean I'm sure he'd kill a guy if he stood to benefit from it enough, but he explains his mental calculus here pretty well, it's just not a big enough benefit to him to kill 150 guys. He was totally going to before someone told him that because he didn't really think the whole thing through though which is fucking terrifying. You know next time they're just not gonna tell him how many will die ahead of time.
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Wesley Cucklewad - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 11:42:23 EST BcKEavwF No.176930 Reply
>>176913
Wouldn't his Israeli handlers want him to treat it as a provocative pretense for war, and definitely not a mistake?
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Angus Dollerdale - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 12:36:09 EST S5wrZ3AB No.176931 Reply
>>176928
I wouldn't take anything like that at face value, especially not his tweets.
That "conversation" is one of these things he regularly makes up on the spot.
Still if that means the Iran war doesn't start today I'll take it.

But just to be clear, I see the chances Trump reacted that way as about as likely as him asking how long it would take to level Teheran's city center.
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Priscilla Dartfoot - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 20:40:10 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176944 Reply
>>176928
>not wanting to kill 150 people makes him a "pussy"

ameriKKKans... smdh
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Hannah Futtingstat - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 22:36:53 EST eW7lNgCN No.176945 Reply
>>176944

I have to live with these people. These brainwashed morons who believe the government can do no wrong and that the popular news stations are all right and that we have to bomb these scary people half way across the world or else we'll all die tomorrow. Kind of strange how it seems like every major news source in the US is simultaneously producing a bunch of opinion pieces about how we need to attack Iran.
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Hedda Drabberbanks - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 00:17:45 EST ar9mMa8V No.176947 Reply
I don't even believe there was an operation to call back at the last moment. He just knew he looked toothless in front of his base and brewed up a story about it. It's theater. It's not even that. it's a puppet show conducted by mentally handicapped puppeteer with anger issues. I think he asked whether he could do another airstrike and generaled explained the diarrhea mudslide that would unleash by attacking people for loss of a spy toy and he had to concede well before any planes left the ground.
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Augustus Chattingnack - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 03:18:08 EST Zu4Iqncz No.176950 Reply
>A ground invasion of Iran would go at least as badly as Iraq

One might call it a brilliant defeat. The US by default used mass amounts of depleted uranium. To fight Iraq.

We need not defeat some identity. We fought the war in the middle east.
We do not own, a waterway, lest we respect it.
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Martha Sivingfoot - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:34:26 EST tlilhxRg No.176953 Reply
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Holy fucking shit, that retarded insane orange fatfuck toad cancelled the attack because of advice from Tucker Carlson.

This motherfucker is more senile than Reagan. It wasn't the advice of the actual Pentagon which was against the attack. It was that fucking retarded wanker who can't even debate a historian, Tucker Carlson.

You can't make this shit up.
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Phoebe Gemmerlurk - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 08:48:08 EST M/Ws53KS No.176955 Reply
>>176953

The dictator needs to be deposed, before the US is destroyed.
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Sidney Bavinghood - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 09:01:27 EST 9b9/2FIJ No.176956 Reply
>>176955
Im not concerned for the US, you reap what you sow. Its the rest of the world I'm worried about.
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Shitting Gurringford - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 10:45:38 EST zntBSwID No.176957 Reply
>>176953
Trump is indeed a more honest representation of the average GOP voter than any GOP politician.
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Cedric Chorrytadge - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 11:54:11 EST QXelvFlt No.176959 Reply
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>>176956
At this point the US deserves what happens to it.
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Beatrice Clenningchog - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 16:29:01 EST oi6zpWFm No.176970 Reply
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>>176953
>Dennis fucking Rodman' and Tucker Carlson are peacemakers
Good job boomer whisperer
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Betsy Grimgold - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 01:24:35 EST Y3JsGsvI No.176983 Reply
>>176959

That was an honest mistake, anyone could mistake a passenger jet for a fighter jet.
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Frederick Negglebedge - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 07:11:06 EST tlilhxRg No.176985 Reply
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>>176983
The real difficulty of course is in admitting you made a mistake.

*looks at Russia*
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Sophie Gerrykatch - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 15:09:05 EST +8irr0Qf No.176989 Reply
>>176983
No, they can't. Because they move at higher speeds and different altitudes usually. You can also check the approach vectors, though may not tell you much and is easy to get false positives, or false negative on a manuevre. Only excuse is thinking it something akin to B52 bomber flying at high altitude but in case of Ukraine they were just stupid, evil, maybe both. Probably mostly very stupid.
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Betsy Blollerstag - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 19:39:54 EST 4scaaRdR No.176991 Reply
>>176989

im going to go out on a limb here and presume he was being sarcastic
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Ernest Bablingtetch - Mon, 24 Jun 2019 02:35:21 EST F1Z7XELz No.176996 Reply
It seems possible.
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Samuel Smalllock - Mon, 24 Jun 2019 08:27:41 EST zl/5c8Ji No.176998 Reply
>>176996
The entire region will catch on fire. Nothing short of world war 3. No one is that crazy, not even Trump.
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Simon Hammerwedging - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:38:10 EST +BOjAWkc No.177039 Reply
>>176998
It's not Trump that wants to start WW3.

It's Bolton, Pompeo, Abrams, Israeli/Saudi/UAE lobbyists, all the "reasonable" "moderate" Republicans, and the "adults in the room".
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Graham Pattingtet - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 16:46:26 EST C7jiLS+E No.177043 Reply
>>177039
>It's Bolton, Pompeo, Abrams, Israeli/Saudi/UAE lobbyists, all the "reasonable" "moderate" Republicans, and the "adults in the room".
It's also:
Academi LLC (formerly Blackwater Worldwide and Xe Services)
Action Target
ADT Corporation
Advanced Armament Corporation (AAC)
AECOM
Aerojet
Aerospace Corporation
Aerovironment
Aegis Defense Services
Aimpoint
AirScan
AM General Corporation
American Petroleum Institute
Antonov Airlines
Argon ST
ARINC
Artis LLC
ASSETT, Inc.
Astronautics Corporation of America
Atec, Inc.
Aurora Flight Sciences
BAE Systems plc
BAE Systems Inc.
BAE Systems Electronics, Intelligence & Support
BAE Systems Land and Armaments
Land Systems OMC
Ball Corporation
Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp.
Barrett Firearms Manufacturing
Battelle Memorial Institute
BDM Corporation
Bechtel Corporation
Benelli USA
Berico Technologies
Boeing Company
Insitu
McDonnell Douglas
Booz Allen Hamilton
Boston Dynamics
British Nuclear Fuels Limited
CACI International Inc.
Carlyle Group
Carnegie Mellon University
Ceradyne
Cloudera
Colt Defense
The Columbia Group
Computer Sciences Corporation
Concurrent Technologies Corporation
CSRA (IT services company)
Cubic Corporation
Omega Training Group
Decibel Research Inc.
Dillon Aero
Draper Laboratories
DRS Technologies
DynCorp
Netherlands EADS
EADS North America
Airbus Helicopters
Edison Welding Institute
Elbit Systems
M7 Aerospace
ENSCO, Inc.
Ernst & Young
Evergreen International Aviation
Exxon Corporation
Fabbrica d'Armi Pietro Beretta
Belgium Fabrique Nationale de Herstal
FLIR Systems
Fluor Corp.
Force Protection Inc
Foster-Miller, Inc.
Foster Wheeler Ltd.
G4S plc
Armour Group Inc
General Atomics
General Dynamics
MOWAG
Bath Iron Works
General Dynamics Electric Boat
Gulfstream
Vangent
General Electric Military Jet Engines Division
Glock Ges.m.b.H.
Goodrich Corporation
Halliburton Corporation
Harris Corporation
Health Net, Inc.
Heckler & Koch US
Hewlett-Packard
Honeywell
HS Produkt
Humana Inc.
Huntington Ingalls Industries
Hybricon Corporation
IBM
Insight Technology
Intelsat
International Resources Group
iRobot
Israeli Aerospace Industries
Israeli Military Industries
ITT Exelis
Jacobs Engineering Group Inc.
Johns Hopkins University
Kaman Aircraft
Kearfott Corporation
Kellogg, Brown and Root
Knight's Armament Company
Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace
Lafayette Praetorian Group
Leidos
L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
Brashear
EOTech
Lockheed Martin
Gyrocam Systems
Sikorsky
LRAD Corporation
ManTech International
A.P. Moller-Maersk Group
MBDA
McQ Inc
Metal Storm
Microsoft[4]
Milkor USA
Mission Essential Personnel
Mitsubishi
Motorola Inc.
Natel Electronic Manufacturing Services
Navistar Defense
Nextel
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems
Northrop Grumman Ship Systems
Northrop Grumman Technical Services
Oceaneering International
Olin Corporation; also see John M. Olin and John M. Olin Foundation
Orbital ATK
Oshkosh Corporation
Para-Ordnance
Perot Systems
Picatinny Arsenal
Pinnacle Armor
Precision Castparts Corporation
Raytheon
BBN Technologies
Remington Arms
Riverside Manufacturing LLC
Rock Island Arsenal
Rockwell Collins
Rolls-Royce plc
Saab AB
Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)
Sensis Corporation
Shell Oil Company
Siemens AG
SGIS
SIG Sauer
Smith & Wesson
Smith Enterprise Inc. (SEI)
Sobran, inc
SPARTA, Inc.
Springfield Armory, Inc.
SRC Inc
SRI International
ST Engineering
ST Kinetics
Stanley, Inc.
Stewart and Stevenson
Sturm, Ruger & Company Incorporated
Forjas Taurus S/A
Teledyne
Telent
Texas Instruments
Textron Inc.
AAI Corporation
Bell Helicopter Textron
Trijicon
TriWest Healthcare Alliance
Unisys Corporation
United Technologies
Pratt & Whitney
URS Corporation
Washington Group International
US Ordnance
Verizon Communications
Vinnell Corporation
Westinghouse Electric Corporation
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Edward Curryfare - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:00:56 EST twH9Ybjj No.177054 Reply
Not sure why everyone is calling this a false flag considering Khomeini benefits from war brinkmanship with the US just as much, if not more so than Trump. His grip on power has been slipping, people have become more and more upset at the corruption baked into the system and more and more public unrest has been growing. The threat of war with the US is a great distraction that will get people to give him support. Sometimes I think we've always misunderstood the causes of war, it's not about scarcity of resources or anything like that, it's probably mostly just a tool for political leaders to use to advance their power in their own society. Everyone falls in line when there's a war on.

This sort of brinkmanship really only makes sense if they have guarantees that the war won't actually start. Since it benefits both Trump and Khomeini to have just brinkmanship but not actual war, I think that's what will happen. Expect to see more incidents, maybe even some shooting, but no actual large-scale war. Khomeini knows Trump is in Putin's pocket and can be controlled which is why he's taking such a hawkish stance. This is all a sideshow meant to raise Trump and Khomeini's poll numbers.and stave off political revolution.
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Emma Clovingfuck - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:09:58 EST 8pt/AtPX No.177068 Reply
>>177054
When you don't update your talking points for 30 fucking years mate. Ali Khamenei is the supreme leader of Iran. Not Khomeini, who died in 89.
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Henry Buzzstock - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 20:27:16 EST tlilhxRg No.177070 Reply
Hahahahah, GET FUCKED AMERICA.

The EU is working on a construction that allows for European companies to do business with Iran without getting fucked by the US sanctions against Iran.

That'll help put the lid back on that oil fire.
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Molly Clennerfoot - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 08:42:47 EST FgCpamib No.177077 Reply
>>177068
Well I had it right first but then spell check convinced me I must have it backwards because it had Khomeini but not khamenei and I figured they'd have the current guy in there not the one who was dead before spell check was even invented.
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Emma Pockwill - Thu, 04 Jul 2019 06:26:11 EST F0Vk3YPv No.177199 Reply
Funny fact: IRAN is the only airforce on earth that fields the F-14 Tomcat as a combat vehicle.
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Cyril Dartbury - Sat, 06 Jul 2019 16:48:27 EST UfCRrJn+ No.177231 Reply
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>>176953
Yeah, Tucker has been pretty consistently anti-war ever since his show on Fox started, more so than any other mainstream TV figure I can think of:
https://youtu.be/-c0jMsspE7Y
It also doesn't seem like a position that he gets dictated from Fox, otherwise we wouldn't have buffoons like Sean Hannity shouting about how we have to destroy THE MULLAHS! during their other 23 hours of programming every day.

Why can't you just be glad about it and give Tucker some credit for it?
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John Fuckingdale - Sat, 06 Jul 2019 19:09:58 EST zUO3I5ku No.177235 Reply
>>177231
I quit fox news years ago. Always the same stuff, just altered BS at any given time.
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Martha Mallymudge - Sat, 06 Jul 2019 22:41:41 EST Zhdk+f9U No.177240 Reply
>>177231

Tucker Carlson is also a pedophile apologist, so he still gets no credit.
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Fanny Fizzlemit - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 05:35:53 EST Tx4bBs8B No.177248 Reply
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>>177241
He's obviously just an indoctrinated partisan hack who's merely looking for an excuse to keep indulging in left vs. right retardation as the people on top are steering us towards WW3 (and probably supports all manner of pro-pedophilia shit so long as it comes from the left), but this is what he's referring to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr1WnL070hc
Make up your own mind about it.
I'd say if Tucker genuinely thought that picrelated was what the whole thing was about, then claiming he was "defending a pedophile" is bullshit. Also, I don't base my morality on existing laws, but I gotta point out that such a marriage would be perfectly legal in e.g. Japan and Germany. But having researched Warren Jeffs a bit, he was at some point also accused of actually raping young boys, so there's that.
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Sophie Sirringworth - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:22:52 EST +8irr0Qf No.177257 Reply
>>177248
>ut having researched Warren Jeffs a bit, he was at some point also accused of actually raping young boys, so there's that.
So in other words he was right. The guy was literally defending a pedophile and now you're defending a pedophile apologist too.
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Charlotte Seblinghall - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:31:38 EST 8pt/AtPX No.177260 Reply
>>177248
>But having researched Warren Jeffs

You clearly didn't, then. You'd be aware of how fundamental Mormons LOVE forcing children to become brides to 60 year olds and how they ditch the boys on the side of the road.
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Shitting Goodridge - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 17:43:31 EST 04ZkJD3Q No.177268 Reply
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>>177260
fundamental Mormons are basically the Wahhabi Muslims of North America
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Phineas Nozzlebury - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 02:50:59 EST 8pt/AtPX No.177277 Reply
>>177274
ANY Christian denomination founded in the US LOVES them kids.
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Isabella Pattingforth - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 06:26:11 EST FB4w8cl4 No.177280 Reply
>>177268
Do recall the last time a Mormon killed a bunch of people for religious reasons. I'll wait. Not even Mormon and I think it's retarded but I would not go fill retard and compare them to wahhabi Muslims.
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Rebecca Gavingworth - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:23:29 EST 4YckA3/m No.177288 Reply
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>>177280
stallionservatives have convinced you that LDS are allies.

They're not. LDS is a globalist neoliberal project that has historically been at war with the rest of America and Christendom. It's a pro-immigration desert cult that opposes nationalism, rejected Trumpism during the general election and has prominent pro-antifa leaders in the government. Also they keep doing pedo shit.

Don't waste your breath defending them.
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Shit Seckleton - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 12:16:01 EST HFcrg29S No.177300 Reply
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>>177280
Not the last time but the first result to come up in Google:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervil_LeBaron
>Ervil Morrell LeBaron (February 22, 1925 - August 15, 1981) was the leader of a polygamous Mormon fundamentalist group who ordered the killings of many of his opponents, using the religious doctrine of blood atonement to justify the murders.

>He had at least 13 wives in a plural marriage, several of whom he married while they were still underage, and several of whom were involved in the murders.

If they hadn't gotten owned by the United States following the Mormon Wars, and instead had been given tens of billions of dollars and tons of weapons to establish their own theocracy like the Saudis did, the FLDS body count would probably be way higher than it already is.
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Beatrice Crorringstot - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:27:24 EST 3rWPy2H7 No.177312 Reply
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>>177300
>>177297
I like neither the LDS nor their doctrines, but waging guerilla warfare against a potentially hostile army encroaching on your own territory or assassinating other church leaders in an internal power struggle isn't comparable to flying a plane into an office building or mowing down dozens of people with a truck on a Christmas market.
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Molly Bribberkag - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 23:08:09 EST tlilhxRg No.177321 Reply
>>177312
Yes it is. You can't compare terrorism then with terrorism now.

I mean, in the Roman days, jewish radicals performed terroristic murders with knives. That's where the word "zealot" comes from.
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Edwin Sullyperk - Tue, 09 Jul 2019 21:32:39 EST mkuo11iM No.177353 Reply
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>>177321
daaamn so the protoss are the futuristic jewish diaspora, it all makes sense
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Rebecca Dankinville - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 05:25:00 EST sTg+meo+ No.177441 Reply
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Is Iran a safe place to visit for a Canadian?
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Rebecca Dammleway - Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:26:23 EST 1C6fBrQg No.177480 Reply
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>>177335
because the guy who posted it is both enthusiastic and a moron.
>>177441
Depends. Are you gay, a gambling addict or a woman who doesn't want to wear a veil? Probably not.
Otherwise, go for it once the saber-rattling from the US and Israel has been toned down, there's a lot of interesting history to the place.
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Jarvis Gurringfetch - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 04:23:35 EST V96D2QCx No.177572 Reply
>>177441
As been the basic rules for a lot of westerners, in many places. Don't let them know you are an American. Canadians fare far better. But being abducted, is always a possibility.
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Charlotte Ferringfield - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 08:27:58 EST L4l6x9TT No.177574 Reply
>>177570
That is a bad joke and you are bad person for going to circlejerk.
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Martha Biffingbanks - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:58:03 EST QgwvDyjp No.177576 Reply
>>177572
>Americans pretending to be Canadian abroad so foreigners will be nice to them
Stop doing this, you fucks ruined your own name internationally so now you're just stealing your neighbor's ID and ruining his
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Edwin Clammleville - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:30:18 EST hZqi4+Ye No.177577 Reply
>>177576
I didn't ruin shit. Blame the people in power, not the hapless, easily manipulated rubes.
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Eliza Sinkinfitch - Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:45:22 EST YJadA4V0 No.177578 Reply
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>>177577
>implying American tourists didn't ruin America's name internationally worse than American foreign policy
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Emma Pupperman - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 03:08:30 EST /ARn3k03 No.177586 Reply
>>177578
American tourists didn't ruin Americas name internationally. The US ruined ones ability to travel without being judged. In that case Canadians and Europeans have to generally show their integrity while traveling. Hence, by not acting American-like.

Americans generally do not act or pretend to be Canadian or otherwise, because they have no real ability to do so. Canadians just merely have to be Canadians. Tourists generally are seeking lifestyles of different cultures. American or otherwise.
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Wesley Clillyhall - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 07:48:39 EST hcXabi4m No.177653 Reply
>>177645
>-"the editors"
Nobody wants to even put their name to this.
>story continues
>story
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Thomas Duckledale - Sun, 28 Jul 2019 04:12:18 EST 2PXUaVOc No.177662 Reply
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>>177645
Fun fact: 80% of National Review's editors are Jewish
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Edward Brishtin - Sun, 28 Jul 2019 22:41:29 EST fDbnZ1zF No.177663 Reply
>>177662
> Citations needed

100% of all editors, board members and owners at the National Review, Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg and The Economist are Bourgeois. Really makes you think.
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George Sammerwog - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 10:36:00 EST hcXabi4m No.177689 Reply
>>177663
Untrue. Only three quarters of them are bourgoeise, 15% are aristocrats, and 10% are kulaks.
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Nathaniel Sunningbury - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:01:26 EST I1ioOHWp No.177699 Reply
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>>177663
You know, you could've just googled the names that are on the fucking cover I posted to get an idea of the ethnicity of the people who write for that piece of trash. But then again, if you were intellectually capable of such a feat, you wouldn't be a leftist.

The National Review homepage lists the "Senior Editors" of the magazine as: Jonah Goldberg / Richard Brookhiser / Jay Nordlinger / Ramesh Ponnuru / David Pryce-Jones

According to the Times of Israel, Nordlinger is a "leading US Jewish journalist:"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/leading-us-jewish-journalists-denounce-netanyahu-for-deal-with-extremists/

Jonah Goldberg has stated that his Father was Jewish and that he was raised Jewish:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2004/12/politicizing-christmas-jonah-goldberg/

Pryce-Jones is actually from a well-known Jewish family who have intermarried with the Rothschilds:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Pryce-Jones&oldid=886826978

Brookhiser is either Jewish himself or a Butt-Goy wannabe-Jew (like the insane warmonger John Bolton, see picrelated) who is really preoccupied with Jewish issues and frequently writes about Jews both on NRO and in explicitly Jewish publications like the Daily Forward:
https://forward.com/opinion/360674/did-george-washington-really-love-the-jews/

>100% of all editors, board members and owners [...] are Bourgeois.
Yes, and also 100% of them think that the absolute worst thing in the world is National Socialism.
And they all cheered it on when super rich Jewish profiteers and Bankers like Jacob Schiff, Olof Aschborn and Israel Gelfand helped finance the Russian Revolution, and when the Zionist Rabbi Stephen Wise agitated people in the streets of New York to go to war against those powers in WW1 that were in possession of the land where he wanted to found a Jewish nation-state:
https://www.nytimes.com/1917/03/24/archives/pacifists-pester-till-mayor-calls-them-traitors-socialists-at.html

They are also virtually unanimous in their love for mass-immgration into non-Jewish countries. Even the billionaire con-man Donald Trump has publicly called for flooding the US labor market with "the highest numbers ever" of cheap workers from the third world:
http://archive.is/eNjI4

And whenever workers take to the streets to protest against the mass-immigration policies instituted by the billionaires to drive down wages and drive up rent, they are terrorized and brutalized by the lowliest pawns of the system, the human garbage that willingly does the dirty work for the corrupt fucks who run our societies: Antifa.

>Really makes you think.
Indeed. But them being wealthy doesn't really explain why they're always so intent on starting wars with wars with geopolitical enemies of Israel.
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Graham Serrylat - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:46:59 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.177703 Reply
>>177699
Yep sure Nazi, Big bad Jews kicking the master race's ass.
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Nathaniel Sunningbury - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:05:20 EST I1ioOHWp No.177704 Reply
>>177703
>master race
The Nazis never claimed that the Germans are the "master race" by the way. That's allied war propaganda, and parroting it 80 years later -- in the age of the internet, no less -- is a sign of extreme ignorance and lack of intellectual curiosity and agency. Or just plain dishonesty and malevolence.
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Nathaniel Sunningbury - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:18:50 EST I1ioOHWp No.177708 Reply
>>177705
I am defending the truth.

Now, can you prove that what I said is incorrect?

Or is it indeed correct, and demonstrates that your worldview is based on lies, falsehoods and propaganda?
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Angus Pigglehood - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:42:11 EST +8irr0Qf No.177709 Reply
>>177704
>talks about parroting war propaganda
>while probably believing propaganda from fucking nazis of all people
> is a sign of extreme ignorance and lack of intellectual curiosity and agency. Or just plain dishonesty and malevolence.
Holy fuck lol

You're also completely flat out lying. Germans said they were part of the Herrenvolk which includes Nordics like Norwegians, Dutch, Germans, etc.

>>177708
You're defending lies you disingenous poltard Nazi fuckwit
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Phoebe Bendlemedge - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:07:47 EST w3vHPAAx No.177717 Reply
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>>177709
>All you know about Nazi propaganda is from Nazi propaganda!
yeah wow, that's one hell of an accusation, I'm devastated. Basing my understanding of history largely on looking at primary sources in the six or so different languages I can read really is an embarrassment. Maybe you're right, maybe I should just buy a TV and let THAT tell me what to think. And just like every drooling lefty retard on this board, I should never ever question what I see in the mass media or do any research on the people that are actually producing all that garbage that fills the TV screens and major news websites.

But first, let's look at some actual Nazi propaganda: Here's a page from the "heritage passport" which every German was given, which stated in no uncertain terms that other races are not to be regarded as inferior or superior, but merely as different:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Ahnenpass_003_anonym.jpg

(the word Untermensch (sub-human) was actually used, by the way; it referred to Marxists/Bolsheviks, both German Marxists and Marxists of any other race or nation)

>Herrenvolk
The fact that you know this word shows that you've actually looked into the matter and realized that the German translation of the English propaganda term "master race,"
Herrenrasse was not actually used by the Nazis (but is being used by the post-war German government and media to demonize the Nazis) -- and "Herrenvolk" is the closest thing that actually existed in the German language before 1945. So with you, the matter is clear: you're not ignorant, you're willingly defending lies and evil.

>Germans said they were part of the Herrenvolk
They never claimed that there is something like "the" Herrenvolk, dipshit. The word Herrenvolk is a general term that denoted a nation that is both culturally refined and a major player in geopolitics, often with imperial ambitions; such as the British, the Romans, the Egyptians, and so on. (Goebbels in fact explicitly said that the Germans are not a Herrenvolk, and would first have to be taught how to behave like one before they can have a say in how the world is run).
At any rate, even this word was used so rarely that claiming it to be a central aspect of Nazi ideology and propaganda is plainly a lie.

But hey, can you guess which ethno-religious group actually did spend the last couple of thousand years going around claiming to be some sort of divine race chosen by their tribal god to rule the world and reduce its entire population to slavery?
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Lillian Battingson - Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:37:24 EST LP2R8jy+ No.177739 Reply
>>177717
as a man of proud German heritage I'm here to say that you are a little fag boy
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Nigel Binningshaw - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 03:47:40 EST VrOHPBYP No.177744 Reply
>>177739
>man of proud German heritage
Clearly not a German living in German, they are all self hating.
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Emma Bundermork - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 05:18:54 EST jva21RDW No.177746 Reply
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>>177744
Does it hurt your feelings when you are told that the people that your ancestors belonged to, took part in some brutal shitty treatment of other human beings? Because it doesn't when you're not a dumb fuck snow flake nazi.
You really have to be some sensitive cry baby piece of trash, to think people are telling you to hate yourself for being white, and screeching college students on the street don't count.
Go back to your shitty little nazi board.
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Nigel Binningshaw - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 06:11:48 EST VrOHPBYP No.177751 Reply
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>>177746
>your ancestors
I'm not German. I am White though, and acknowledge that Whites made grave mistakes in the past. I also am friends with a lot of Germans, hence my previous statement.

You seem angery at Whites, are you German, or White?
Are all White people nazis?

>You really have to be some sensitive cry baby piece of trash, to think people are telling you to hate yourself for being white
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Emma Bundermork - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 06:44:31 EST jva21RDW No.177756 Reply
>>177751
>You seem angery at Whites, are you German, or White?
>Are all White people nazis?
Lol you are a dumb ass.

Also that article you posted a picture of: that's a very attention grabbing headline, but it's just a discussion about whiteness as a concept. There is a huge difference there. It really falls along the lines of race being a social construct, and how we change the definition of what people are considered white over time, that really it should have little meaning.

nb
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Jenny Humbleshit - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 07:13:16 EST 2frQs8IP No.177757 Reply
>>177751

I'm Norwegian. If you lump me into the same cathegory as the fucking Swedes I will take it as an insult.
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Phoebe Somblecocke - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 10:05:42 EST +8irr0Qf No.177762 Reply
>>177757
Depends on where you live Ingvar, it could be you are in fact pseudo-Swede yourself and a subject of Swedish empire.
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Jenny Sinnerpodge - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 15:15:04 EST 2tqtMmOE No.177773 Reply
>>177751
>acknowledge that Whites made grave mistakes in the past

There's no such thing as "whites". It's completely meaningless to classify people by the tone of their skin, and less than a hundred years ago we didn't. Germans were Germans, French were French, English were English, etc. etc. They never would've referred to themselves as "white". It would've been akin to calling themselves "blondes". People who were classified by the color of their skin only were black people. Because we dehumanized them as a culture. Whiteness was invented as the antithesis of that and the societal privilege associated solely with whiteness is an American invention. That's what the article is actually about, and why they're calling to "abolish" the white race. They aren't calling for genocide, they're calling rethink the concept of whiteness and what it objectively means, which is nothing.
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Ebenezer Billingbury - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 20:30:55 EST 2frQs8IP No.177776 Reply
>>177773

Thank you. Americans don't know shit about how it works in Europe, but idiots are still trying to import the WASP definition of 'White'.
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Hamilton Denderson - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 21:16:28 EST fxZPTs+O No.177777 Reply
>>177751
"Abolish the White Race" doesn't mean what internet nazis think it means, I don't know why they're so scared of that phrase because if they just read the full essay they'd understand that it doesn't even approximate "kill whitey" in meaning. The dude is being intentionally provocative in order to drive home the point that "whiteness" as a way of ordering our society needs to be abolished, not that individual "white" people need to be killed; he wants a society in which, paraphrasing him here, your skin tone is as important as the size of your feet.

And what about that do you really disagree with, besides his spicy rhetoric? Do you want a society like the one we live in now where your skin tone and its closeness to whiteness, or your behavior and its conformity to whiteness, partially or wholly determine your life outcomes and the way you're viewed by ordinary people? Noel Ignatiev and the other self-proclaimed race traitors are good men and women, and it would amuse me to no end that you people continue to deliberately misunderstand them except that your misunderstandings take the form of doubling down on racist ideology and death threats against Ignatiev and others.
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Ebenezer Billingbury - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 18:49:48 EST 2frQs8IP No.177790 Reply
>>177762

You mean the people living in Herjedalen, Jæmtland and Bohuslen?

The Kalmar Union was a mistake.
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Simon Tillingforth - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 19:27:55 EST MkLoxbl0 No.177791 Reply
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>>177757
Go complain to 23AndMe and AncestryDNA that they put Swedish and Norwegian genes both into the group "Scandinavian" because guess what, they cluster together and are much harder to tell apart than e.g. any European from any Sub-Saharan African genome.

The "race is just a social construct" crowd is like a mirror image of the Bible-thumping creationists, and every bit as dumb.

>>177777
>I don't know why they're so scared of that phrase
I know, right? It's basically the same benign rhetoric that was used by his fellow tribesman Lazar Kaganovich, the friendly communist mass-murderer who did his very best to "abolish Kulaks as a class."

>Noel Ignatiev and the other self-proclaimed race traitors are good men and women
The vast majority of them are hypocritical Jewish supremacists who try to dehumanize Europeans by deconstructing our identity and spreading anti-White propaganda, while at the same time constantly stressing the importance of their own collective identity and stylizing themselves as eternal victims of everyone else in the world despite having never done anything wrong ever.
So from your perspective, sure, they're good people, but that's just because you're anti-white.
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Ebenezer Billingbury - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 19:42:26 EST 2frQs8IP No.177792 Reply
>>177791

Why should I even care about 23AndMe? I know my ancestry, I'm not a colonial. My father's fathers have been tilling the same soil for over a 1000 years.
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Wesley Mettingway - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 19:45:10 EST E+OYvrxi No.177793 Reply
>>177792
If you have a fetish for spitting in a tube it's kinda hot?
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Ebenezer Billingbury - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 19:54:48 EST 2frQs8IP No.177794 Reply
>>177793

That shit would'nt be acceptable where I'm from, but hey who am I to judge?

Just don't lump me in with the Swedes god almighty.
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Edward Blucklewure - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 20:37:16 EST jva21RDW No.177798 Reply
>>177791
>The "race is just a social construct" crowd is like a mirror image of the Bible-thumping creationists, and every bit as dumb.
You know it's the scientific crowd saying that race is a social construct right?
No one is arguing with ancestry, you are proving you don't understand "race as a social construct", do your research.
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Basil Hillyford - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 20:42:00 EST BTW90CMI No.177799 Reply
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>>177792
>>177794
Yeah well, Sweden is the 2nd-most sickening society on earth (number 1 being the UK), so I totally understand not wanting to be lumped in with them.

Come to think of it, I'd actually prefer moving to Tehran over moving to London. The Swedish countryside is nice though, much fun was had there when I was a child. Just stay away from any place that has too many Swedes in one place.
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Basil Hillyford - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 21:31:21 EST BTW90CMI No.177800 Reply
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>>177798
>you don't understand "race as a social construct"
The problem with that entire line of rhetoric is that the word "race" describes objective facts of nature, i.e. that we can differentiate between different populations based on various observable characteristics. If you're going to call that a "social construct," then you can do so only if you define "social construct" in such a way that it can be applied to every single word in any human language, at which point it's meaningless to argue about.
And that's really the whole point. Pulling the "x is just a social construct" card is just a rhetorical technique to derail a discussion.

>You know it's the scientific crowd saying that race is a social construct right?
>implying "cultural anthropology" and "gender studies" are sciences
Pseudo-scientists don't count. And no, Bill Nye is not actually a scientist, much less in a field related to biology.
Those among actual biologists who publicly dismiss race as a valid concept or deny racial differences mainly do so out of fear of losing their jobs due to political reasons, like the tragically idealistic James Watson did.
If you're so confident that you can totally prove those wicked biologists and their fascist beliefs wrong, you could send a mail to Franco-Canadian neuro-biologist Jean-Francois Gariepy, I'm sure he'll gladly invite you on his youtube show and tear your arguments to pieces.
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Edward Blucklewure - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 21:39:40 EST jva21RDW No.177801 Reply
>>177800
You still prove you don't understand what it means for something to be a social construct.
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Edward Blucklewure - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 21:49:43 EST jva21RDW No.177803 Reply
>>177801
Should throw in a bit of an explanation. The way we categorize these 'races' is the social construct. No one is rejecting that populations in different parts of the world are going to have some genetic differences. The reason many scientists throw out the whole race as a hard line way of categorizing humans is because it's garbage and unscientific, and created from a shitty racist colonial past.
Someone who is better versed in this can correct any mistakes I made.
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Basil Hillyford - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:34:29 EST BTW90CMI No.177804 Reply
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>>177803
>The way we categorize these 'races' is the social construct
Again, the way we categorize races (whether it's skin color and facial anatomy or genetic clustering) is based on observable facts of nature.
Yes, this kind of categorization is based on social conventions -- as is every other type of categorization.
The fact that the racial categories we come up with and the boundaries between them will change according to the social context at any given time and place does not mean that it's not a useful concept.

>The reason many scientists throw out the whole race as a hard line way of categorizing humans is because it's [...] created from a shitty racist colonial past
There you go, socio-political reasons driving them to publicly denounce a useful concept rooted in observable biological facts, just like I said. Right up until they get leukemia and need to screen people of their own race to have a better chance at being a good match for a bone marrow transplant. Or just need to pick which neighborhood they walk through at night.

>it's garbage and unscientific
So, will any of these "scientists" also go the next logical step and stop categorizing colors? I mean, different societies are going to have different conventions on which area of picrelated is red, which is blue and which is purple, and will in fact have different categories altogether for various parts of this gradient, so let's get rid of this stupid "color" social construct, right?
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Caroline Dissledock - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:36:50 EST cStNVGNu No.177805 Reply
>>177800
There are two white people alive who are more different from each other than they are from the average african. The same is even more true between blacks i think.

Also, different races can't produce viable offspring when they interbreed
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Basil Hillyford - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:47:45 EST BTW90CMI No.177807 Reply
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>>177804
Also, I'd like to point out that the whole "The Irish weren't counted as White back in the day" talking point that Ignatiev always harps on is a lie. The US naturalization act of 1790 limited those eligible for US citizenship to "free White persons of good character," and it is a well-documented historical fact that plenty of Irishmen obtained US citizenship under that law.
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Lydia Sebberridge - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:51:58 EST Br3JOJNF No.177808 Reply
>>177805
Black man, white woman, black child. Black woman, white man, black child.
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Basil Hillyford - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 23:15:52 EST BTW90CMI No.177809 Reply
>>177805
>There are two white people alive who are more different from each other than they are from the average african
Irrelevant. You do not understand what race is.

>different races can't produce viable offspring when they interbreed
No, you're thinking of species. Races are groups within a species.

>>177806
>Once again, you clearly don't understand what it is we are saying.
I do. It's just that I prove that you're full of shit at every turn. And as you tacitly admitted in >>177803 you're not exactly "well-versed" in this stuff, but nevertheless have a very strong opinion on it, as is typical for victims of indoctrination; so you keep saying that I don't understand, yet you can't really ever properly point out what exactly it is I supposedly don't understand, and you keep thinking that somewhere out there is this big smart Science Guy like Bill Nye who could totally prove me wrong if only he were here, and show everyone that your beliefs aren't just based on hot air.

>https://youtu.be/hu4pjmBTN2Y
>Sociology
here we go with the fucking pseudo-science again.
But hey, here's a link for you too:
https://www.counter-currents.com/2015/07/why-race-is-not-a-social-construct/
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Edward Blucklewure - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 23:21:16 EST jva21RDW No.177810 Reply
>>177809
Oml, you're a race 'realist' nazi tard? You sure as hell aren't in the right to dictate what is pseudo-science and what isn't.
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Cedric Dibbleterk - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 01:48:52 EST 6MAhOZM1 No.177811 Reply
What in the hell is with the sudden increase in 4chin retards coming here & spreading their shit?
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Barnaby Suzzlewater - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 02:17:39 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.177812 Reply
>>177811
It comes in waves. I'm guessing someone points out we're a chan that isn't alt-right every few months.
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Angus Cabberbark - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 13:30:54 EST fxZPTs+O No.177822 Reply
>>177791
>his fellow tribesman Lazar Kaganovich

Lol, here we go with this bullshit.

Notice how this dude doesn't respond to a single claim, immediately jumps to the anti-Semitic conspiracy theories trying to link Ignatiev, who would have been executed by Stalin, like many other Soviet Jews (including the other Jew at the center of many conspiracy theories, Leon Trotsky), to Stalin's right-hand man on account of their shared Jewishness. Well, you know, lot of good that did for Trotsky.

Of course "abolish kulaks as a class" means something entirely different and emerged in an entirely different historical context, but hey, the two phrases kinda sound alike, and Ignatiev has kinda lefty politics, so clearly what he means is "kill all the white people" even though no one in this milieu even has power over their own local left-wing reading group, let alone owns any kind of serious weaponry, or attempts to put this shit into practice other than by "deconstructing our identity and spreading anti-White propaganda".

Ignatiev, by the way, is an ardent anti-Zionist. So much for "the tribe":
>People abusing [the accusation of anti-semitism] in order to support Israel's racist and genocidal policy towards the Palestinians do nothing less than desecrate the memory of those Jewish victims, whose death is meaningful only inasmuch as it serves as an eternal warning to the human kind against all kinds of discrimination, racism, and genocide
https://www.countercurrents.org/pa-ignatiev180604.htm
(note: my countercurrents link lacks the hypen )
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Angus Cabberbark - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 13:43:54 EST fxZPTs+O No.177823 Reply
>>177822
I also just want to note how weak white identity has to be if the various writings of race traitors and Red College Professors Brainwashing Your Children Through Communist Subversion (t. John Birch) is enough to wipe it out. Jews survived genocide after genocide, the Japanese and Koreans survived bombing campaigns, traditional Chinese culture and Confucianism survived the Maoist Cultural Revolution, the pride and spirit of the American Indians remains unbroken after centuries of genocidal policy by European settlers, but white people can't survive a little "deconstruction" of white identity? Give me a break. If only it were so easy.
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Barnaby Suzzlewater - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 15:06:35 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.177825 Reply
>>177823
The paradox of Fascism. We're the most powerful race, the right to rule the world is in our DNA, but yet we're always been undercut by the verim who are weak, and will be brushed aside, but god damn it they keep us down, but they won't when we claim our birthright, that is being suppressed by these subhuman.... and on and on and on.
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Wesley Dartdock - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 10:27:30 EST cStNVGNu No.177866 Reply
>>177809

Well, i wouldn't call it irrelevant because it shows how ethnicity (or race if you must) wouldnt capture important differences when used as a scientific metric. Though, i guess you could make things finer grained and break it down further in order to compare 'caucasoids' with 'gaelics' with 'nordics'.

As well, from Brittania (please forgive) "Subspeciesare groups at the first stage of speciation; individuals of differentsubspeciessometimes interbreed, but they produce many sterile male offspring"

I guess race could be thought of between species and subspecies

Anywway, this is a long ass thread, so im not sure what the context of this race talk is

I Do believe in sickle cell anemia. I Dont believe IQ is an accurate measure of intelligence
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Ian Smallway - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 18:40:27 EST +8irr0Qf No.177876 Reply
>>177866
>I guess race could be thought of between species and subspecies
>individuals of differentsubspeciessometimes interbreed, but they produce many sterile male offspring"
lol you guess wrong faggot read your own dam post. It would be at best between subspecies and breed, because people of different races don't produce sterile offspring.
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Beatrice Segglekock - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 01:44:28 EST cStNVGNu No.177903 Reply
>>177876

Quirk of vernacular on my part. I was trying to say race was something closer the breed than subspecies, but i didnt think of it. Id even go so far as to say breed is more extreme than race, though
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Frederick Hoddlewell - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 03:46:02 EST 0paRZQQs No.177905 Reply
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>>175697
What if i tell you that "god"(or at least the judeomuslimchristian being) was the devil all along? The freemasons call it "Jahbulon", gnostics used to call him the Demiurge.
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Hannah Bullerwatch - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 04:33:57 EST hcizuTkA No.177956 Reply
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Does USA want to conquer IRAN like it did with Iraq?
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Hugh Pimblefoot - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 14:02:48 EST M/Ws53KS No.177966 Reply
>>177956

Iran has been on the US shitlist for decades, they just never had a good enough excuse.
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Lydia Hollerchick - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 14:17:35 EST 0paRZQQs No.177968 Reply
>>177966

The USA will be done if they invade Iran. If the Iraq war almost bankrupt the country (and they are arabs, the lamest fighters ever) now imagine a country with 3 times more population than Iraq, with a serious underrated army (the Persians don't fuck around, ask the USmilitary how it did against persian taliban fighters with bolt action rifles giving fancy tacticool soldiers with m4 nightmares at long range combat) and the backing of Russia.
It will take tens of trillions of dollars and decades to bring down the Iranian army and then an inevitable insurrection.
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Rebecca Greengold - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 15:58:16 EST 5yhACa6y No.177971 Reply
>>177968
>The USA will be done if they invade Iran.

Hubris never held them back before.
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Henry Mebbleham - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 16:57:09 EST omiC6HKa No.178079 Reply
>>177968
>bankrupt the country
That was about half of the intention of the war. To make the arms dealers rich. Funny anecdote, Saddam actually did turn out to have a large, secret stockpile of yellowcake uranium. This oddly enough, wasn't well publicized, because instead of using it for propaganda and saying "Hey look, he WAS maybe planning to weaponize this"... it was just sold off to Canada for profit.
>you done for if invade Iran
Define "invade" perhaps. The last time the US crossed swords with Iran, the entire navy of Iran was destroyed within two days, along with almost their entire capacity to wage a modern warn. This led to Iran just sending every young man they could, out as cannon fodder. Now they have a fountain of fake blood, to memorialize how many casualties they sustained in desperation, in the conflict that came after the USA had wiped out their military infrastructure in a weekend. Oh, and that's before there were drones too.
>thinking bolt action rifles are bad
You do realize that bolt action rifles, especially the ones that would be commonly found in those hands, such as the WWII models, are great sniper rifles right? You know, the ones you want to use when taking pot shots from a mountain cliff. You've never shot a firearm before, have you?
>taliban doin good
American military casualties from hostile enemy action, are under 2,000.
Taliban and friends, military casualties, are over 70,000.
You know, there's actually a higher risk of death for military personnel, when they're stationed back home in the USA, than when they are deployed in Afghanistan? They're more likely to die of car crashes and alcohol related incidents, than they are of being shot by the taliban.
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Basil Murdridge - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 17:26:15 EST fxZPTs+O No.178080 Reply
>>178079
>Claim: The removal of yellowcake uranium from Iraq in 2008 proved that Saddam Hussein had been trying to restart Iraq’s nuclear program.

>Status: False.

>The yellowcake removed from Iraq in 2008 was material that had long since been identified, documented, and stored in sealed containers under the supervision of U.N. inspectors. It was not a “secret” cache that was recently “discovered” by the U.S, nor had the yellowcake been purchased by Iraq in the years immediately preceding the 2003 invasion. The uranium was the remnants of decades-old nuclear reactor projects that had put out of commission many years earlier: One reactor at Al Tuwaitha was bombed by Israel in 1981, and another was bombed and disabled during Operation Desert Storm in 1991. Moreover, the fact that the yellowcake had been in Iraq since before the 1991 Gulf War was plainly stated in the Associated Press article cited in the example above:
>Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/have-your-yellowcake/

The thing with Afghanistan is that the US has very few boots on the ground in combat roles in Afghanistan. The US long ago started using the national Afghan army against the Taliban, and those casualties are comparable to the Taliban's. Boots on the ground in Iran would yield more American casualties than the invasion of Iraq did, since the US would, for the first time in decades, be fighting an army that can fight back, that won't just take off their uniforms and go home.
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Albert Duckford - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 04:48:51 EST 04Ss6E+/ No.178258 Reply
IRAN distrusts USA. Can't say I blame them....

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