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Nearly two thirds of voters think Trump is a criminal

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- Wed, 06 Mar 2019 17:47:21 EST /MwhWfsN No.173355
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/03/06/trump-quinnipiac-university-poll/3076827002/

One of the first polls conducted since President Donald Trump's former attorney implicated him in illegal activity was released Tuesday, and most of the results were not very good for the president.

A poll from Quinnipiac University National found 64 percent of American voters believe Trump committed crimes before assuming office, while 24 percent did not believe that he had (another 13 percent said they weren't sure.) Forty-five percent said they think Trump committed crimes since taking office compared to 43 percent who think he did not.

The numbers among Republicans were better for the president, with a third saying they believe he committed crimes before taking office and 48 percent saying he did not. Only 12 percent of Republicans said Trump had committed crimes since taking office while 79 percent did not.

Trump's former attorney and fixer Michael Cohen — already convicted of lying to Congress – provided members of Congress explosive testimony on February 27, when he accused Trump of being part of a criminal conspiracy.

However, just 44 percent of respondents believed Cohen told the truth in his testimony before the House Oversight and Reform Committee. But half of them said they believed Cohen over Trump. Fifty-eight percent said Congress should do more to investigate Cohen's allegations.

"When two-thirds of voters think you have committed a crime in your past life, and almost half of voters say it's a tossup over whether you committed a crime while in the Oval Office, confidence in your overall integrity is very shaky," said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll. "Add to that, Michael Cohen, a known liar headed to the big house, has more credibility than the leader of the free world."

Only 30 percent of voters said they believe the president is honest, although two-thirds of Republicans still said he is trustworthy (95 percent of Democrats disagreed). Twenty-two percent of voters said they consider Trump to be a good role model for children compared with 54 percent of Republicans who said they do think he is a good role model.

The good news for the president: despite high numbers of voters saying they suspect him of illegal activity, only 35 percent said Congress should begin impeachment proceedings, while 59 percent said it should not.

Overall, the poll found Trump's job approval rating among voters was at 38 percent with 56 percent of voters saying they disapproved of his performance. That number stood in contrast to other recent polls that had placed the president's approval rating in the mid-to-low 40s.

On Sunday, an NBC News/Wall Street poll – much of which was conducted before Cohen testified – had his approval rating at 46 percent. And his RealClearPolitics average was at 44.4 percent, a mark it had only surpassed once since March 2017.

It is too early to tell if the Quinnipiac poll – which tends to find Trump's approval rating lower than his polling average – is an outlier or a signal that Cohen's testimony is having an impact.

Trump's approval rating in the poll mirrored that of congressional Democrats. Thirty-eight percent of voters said they approved of the job Democrats are doing and 56 percent said they disapproved. Congressional Republicans had a 27 percent approval rating while 66 percent said they disapproved of the job they were doing.

The poll was conducted from March 1-4 from among 1,120 voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percent.
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Cyril Clazzleshaw - Wed, 06 Mar 2019 18:00:21 EST /MwhWfsN No.173356 Reply
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>>173355

Nearly 100% of small businessmen who did business with Trump since 1970 believe Trump is a criminal.
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Polly Duckfoot - Wed, 06 Mar 2019 18:42:59 EST 3iG3uWRg No.173358 Reply
I believed he was a criminal for years which made me question his sanity for putting himself up for scrutiny in the political game.
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Jack Blommerson - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 00:04:39 EST g+vb2gyp No.173365 Reply
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>>173356
I've family who had some dealings with him in the 70s, apparently he gave off a sufficiently rapey vibe even by 70s standards that she was coming up with random excuses to bring other guys from her office with her whenever she had to interact with the guy.
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Edwin Worthingwater - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 00:36:33 EST NCqRcLj/ No.173366 Reply
>>173365
I legitimately believe that he raped a 15 year old and threatened to kill her family. It lines up exactly with his words and behavior. How come none of these alt cringe idiots ever talked about that in pizza gate huh?
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Betsy Sezzlefock - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 01:59:26 EST 8pt/AtPX No.173372 Reply
>>173366
Because its nuclear grade projection. All that shit in Pizzagate they picked up on, was only picked up on because they were THEIR codewords for child sexual abuse.
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Hugh Crupperpit - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 14:20:57 EST tpObBmgQ No.173383 Reply
>>173374
Is this from years of cocaine abuse or something? It makes me think of a meth head.
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Jack Blommerson - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 15:10:02 EST g+vb2gyp No.173388 Reply
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>>173383
He says he's never done drugs or alcohol since his brother died, so I think it's some form of dementia.
Reagan was suffering from Alzheimers, but the news never really reported on or pointed out the evidence of him getting confused until afterwords.


But you know what? We're winning, and they're not. We're winning. (Applause.)

So, just to finish - and I'll tell you, Matt Schlapp is loving this. (Laughter.) He's saying, "This is a lot more than we paid for." You know, normally you read a few pages and you say, "Bye, folks." But you know what I like about this? Number one, I'm in love, and you're in love.
We're all in love together. We've done something that nobody has ever done. (Applause.) Right? It's easy. No, it's easy.

You know, a great friend of mine from New York, he's a stone-cold killer. He's a brutal man. He's actually not even a good friend of mine because he'd turn on me in two seconds if it was (inaudible). (Laughter.) But he's a very rich guy. And he said, "What are you going to speak about today? Like, what are you going to speak?" I said, "I don't know. I don't know." (Laughter.) He said, "I just heard that you have the biggest crowd in the history of CPAC. They're all over. By the way, not only in this giant room. They're in many hotel rooms all over the place. You're just better at real estate than they are." (Laughter and applause.) True.

But this guy - you all know his name - very rich guy. And he has a problem with a thing called public speaking. If he has to speak to more than like five people, he chokes. (Laughter.) He can't breathe. You know, juh-juh. "Are you okay?" He kills people for a living - meaning mentally and financially - but if there's like an audience of nine, it's like "augh." (Laughter.) So he said to me, "How the hell do you do that?" And I said, "It's easy." And the reason it's easy - I really mean this - there's so much love in this room, it's easy to talk. You can talk your heart out. You really could. There's love in this room. (Applause.) You can talk your heart out. It's easy. (Applause.) It's easy. It's easy.

And we've had that from the day I came down with your First Lady on the escalator in Trump Tower. It's been easy. (Applause.)

And you know what? We never had an empty seat. We went out and helped Ted Cruz. We went out and helped so many people. And I'll tell you what: If we didn't do those 32 rallies - and it wasn't easy. When you're doing rallies with 25-, 30,000 people - in Texas, we had 109,000 people sign up. We used the Houston Rockets arena; it holds 22,000. Tens of thousands were outside. We were sending notices, "Please don't come." That's a little different. Usually, people are begging. "Well, yeah, like can somebody come?" (Laughter.) We never had an empty seat. Of course, the Washington Post - a guy named David Weigel - he wrote an article, some arena -
AUDIENCE Booo -
No, listen to this. He wrote an article. He got there four hours early. He took pictures of an empty arena. He then put out a note - something to the effect, "Not very good crowd size, Mr. President." And I never saw it because I don't follow the guy. But thousands of people that were in that arena that was packed with 25,000 people outside that couldn't get in - he got there four or five hours early because he doesn't fly private. You know. (Laughter.) And maybe it's because of the carbon footprint. You think maybe that's it? (Laughter.) Maybe. Must be the carbon footprint. He just doesn't want private.
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Graham Papperwill - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 16:53:33 EST /MwhWfsN No.173399 Reply
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>>173383

Rumor is his drug of choice is snorting adderall. He was sniffing a lot in the debates. Claims he never drank a drop of alcohol in his life I believe. Not sure if he was into blow or not. Maybe.

The real "high" is Trump's permanent mentally ill state of mind, I've pondered what Donald Trump's perma-high feels like.
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Molly Grimstone - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 17:20:50 EST f8v0cJMN No.173400 Reply
>>173399
Please post links to these rumors I am very intrigued.
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Polly Fozzlewater - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 17:30:28 EST gZemkrrU No.173401 Reply
How did anybody ever think differently even before he became a politician? He spent all his life in one of the most dishonest businesses, then became a reality TV star, then went into politics. It's like a constant escalation of lies.
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Hugh Crupperpit - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 17:42:35 EST tpObBmgQ No.173404 Reply
>>173399
A lot of it is really just sociopathy honestly. Anyone trying to find a deeper explanation is missing the point. It's like trying to digest what L Ron Tubtard was saying.
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Graham Papperwill - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 17:50:30 EST /MwhWfsN No.173405 Reply
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>>173401

Not just a dishonest businessman. He's also a business failure. He inherited 450 million(which he lied of course and said it was only 1 million) from hist racist narcissist father. And lost most of said millions in his own business, for which he was also a 100% figurehead while his subordinates babysat him and did all the work. He couldn't be in a business meeting for more than 5 minutes without saying "I'm bored. Let's do something else". He's like a 9 year old with very severe ADD.

Trump was able to be "groomed" as a Russian Asset was because of his massive ego, greed, ability to lie cheat and steal without remorse, and possibly sexual proclivities. Traits enemy governments look for in potential assets. For example Putin could expose Trump has a business failure who needs to rely on the Russian mob for money if he disobeyed and didn't spew Russian talking points for him.
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Graham Papperwill - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 18:05:40 EST /MwhWfsN No.173406 Reply
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>>173404

If I had to diagnose him, I'd say extremely sociopathic(if you google the top 10 symptoms of a sociopath online, it is a PERFECT description of Donald Trump), mild to moderate dementia(see the quotes above), severe ADD, delayed development with the cognitive status of a 10 year old, severe narcissistic personality disorder(which means he always thinks he's the smartest person in the room when he is in fact usually the dumbest. His college professors publicly called him the dumbest goddamn student they've ever seen because on day one he told all the professors there was literally nothing they could teach him because he thought he in fact already knew so much more than them about their field), and suffers delusions(according to White house leaks) . . He believes his own lies kind of like that episode of South Park where Cartman thought he invented the joke he stole from Jimmy and thought he saved his life and shit. Also I'm not sure if he laughs at the suffering of others, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if he did.

To give credit where credit is due, he's a MASTER of manipulating public opinion in his favor, despite his many shortcomings. Thats literally the only skill he has that I can think of.
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Graham Papperwill - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 18:13:21 EST /MwhWfsN No.173407 Reply
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>>173400

Well for one his pupils are intermittently dilated. Adderall does that.

https://www.thefix.com/apprentice-crew-member-claims-trump-snorted-adderall-set

>>173406

One example of his mental gymnastics according the White House leaks is he started out lying saying 3 to 5 million illegal voters are the reason Hillary won the popular vote. But over the course of times, he believed it to be the actual truth of the matter.
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Graham Papperwill - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 18:30:24 EST /MwhWfsN No.173408 Reply
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>>173406

For ADD symptoms, in the past presidents had a daily 1 hour intelligence briefing, with a lot of reading involved. Trump demands he doesn't read and that the briefings be a few minutes with images and graphs instead of texts. He gets bored and demands not to do it. Often, he skips his intelligence briefings altogether because he just hates having to focus on things. He gets bored halfway through reading a fortune cookie and gives up. Trump has no attention span whatsoever.

He instead gets all his information from Fox News (which he just sits around watching all day instead of working), which they use to manipulate him using positive reinforcement. Fox is a propaganda outfit at this point, State TV, people who get their information from Fox News are even less informed than people who watch no news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8wrUlq-FZg
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Graham Papperwill - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 18:40:50 EST /MwhWfsN No.173409 Reply
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>>173406

Trump also has really severe anger management issues. He reportedly screams loudly and swears at the TV when Saturday Night Live is ripping on him. SNL is the only thing he watches that makes fun of him for the most part, he's too insecure to watch anything else. Which is a shame because they do a sub-par job with their satire. The Daily Show for example does it much more intelligently and humorously.

I read Fire and Fury, the famous book written by a guy in the White House for the 1st year or so of Trump's term, and according to the author(who seems honest) everybody walks around trying no to make eye contact with Trump, because if they do, he'll violently lash out at them.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-angry-president-screaming-tv-always-tweeting-636050

https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a25548759/donald-trumps-5-biggest-tantrums-from-smashed-up-furniture-to-anti-boat-bias/
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Hugh Crupperpit - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 18:57:08 EST tpObBmgQ No.173410 Reply
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>>173406
Most of the cluster of symptoms which you described are actually either quite common with sociopathy or an expression of it. For example a pathological liar with delusions of grandeur such that they often seem to believe their own lies to such an extent that it appears as indistinguishable from sincerity. They have a tendency to do this pathologically and lying about things for no apparent reason, even if it is something like say they just threw your potted plant out the window and then ask you, with a totally straight face, why did you throw your potted plant out the window. It is also a misconception that sociopaths are geniuses.

Only a small sliver of them ever actually become all that successful and often gain a lot of notoriety because all of the other ones have typically been caught long before then because they're just too stupid and often not privileged enough to get away with the dumb shit that they do. Most wind up in jail over petty crimes and the absolute dumbest shit and remain jailbirds all their lives, while others, at best, take up some shitty low effort job or low tier bureaucratic role where they can get away with being a petty tyrant, or simply become cops.

I also don't think he's a master at it. I just think that most people are shockingly stupid and gullible. One thing I've noticed is that the psychopaths or sociopaths are themselves often shocked by the weak mindedness and gullibility of the flock of sheep that they scam, be these passing marks they rip off or their own followers. The person Trump most reminds me of is again L Ron Fat-tard. From the way he looks to a lot of his mannerisms and speech patterns and some content of the stupid shit he says. Compare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9reLONOJ7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms3J0KM-HvU
although notice that guy sounds more coherent. It could be because only one of them was a writer so he actually had to sound more coherent, but you can hear a vague similarity in the bald face lying, self importance and general narcissism, and rambling bullshit.

I honestly have no idea how anybody, let alone hundreds of millions of people, could possibly be dumb enough to be taken in by such blatant bullshit.
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Barnaby Cuppernuck - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 19:55:55 EST /MwhWfsN No.173413 Reply
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>>173410

He manipulates people by knowing how to sow fear in people, provoke anger and hostility("China is taking our jobs folks"), play the strong messiah figure("nobody else can keep you safe"), painting everything in black and white("America is losing folks. They're all laughing at us. I'll make us win so much your heads will spin"), acting superior to his opponents("Jeb Bush is so low energy. Look at him, hows this guy gonna get anything done at all?"), doing whatever is possible to make it look like its his game, and repetition. By saying and tweeting Witch Hunt 14 times a week, he gives something for newscasters and politicians to parrot. He says Witch Hunt, everyone else starts saying Witch Hunt.

And deflection via humor. Megan Kelly confronted him about him calling women he disliked fat pigs, slobs, and disgusting animals. Then Trump deflected with "Only Rosie O'Donald" and the crowd laughed.
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Barnaby Cuppernuck - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 20:21:30 EST /MwhWfsN No.173415 Reply
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>>173410

Yes. That image is a perfect description of Donald Trump. I'm sure he'd check off 2 for all of them with the possible exception of drug and alcohol use if he weren't a giant bombastic liar.. I have no idea why he had kids, he's completely incapable of caring about anyone but himself. He goes on and on about how important loyalty is when he's the most disloyal piece of shit to everyone.

Whats up with him and Ivanka? Did they used to fuck when she was a teenager? Thats really what it looks like in this picture. He repeatedly says he would date her if they weren't related. And when asked what him and her had most in common in an interview she said golf and he said sex. Thats like someone asking you your favorite color and responding "Hitler!".
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Barnaby Cuppernuck - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 20:45:56 EST /MwhWfsN No.173416 Reply
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Did Putin "tell" Trump to place John Bolton and Mike Pompeo in his Administration so they would urge him to wage war on Iran? If so, why does Russia want Iran and America at war with each other?

>>173415
I mean I don't really care if they fucked to be honest, I don't really see a problem here. They probably did I think. The question probably isn't "if" but "when". This fits into the thread, a lot of people think he did her, thats probably a crime, which adds to a lot of people thinking Trump is a criminal.
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Lillian Domblelock - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 21:00:05 EST tpObBmgQ No.173417 Reply
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>>173415
Quite frankly I think they have a perverse Roman/Medieval kings tier relationship. I think it's all very much a Shakespeare play or like something out of Oedipus. Their general body language and attitude towards each other seem to me almost like a very high functioning version of this https://i.warosu.org/data/ck/img/0069/55/1444356339757.jpg I can't remember if this would get NSFW sandwiched here with him bestowing favors and companies on her and her generally acting like, I dunno like a very strange awareness of it and maybe deep seated guilt or shame. I cannot read Ivanka quite as well but despite her numerous glaring faults https://www.dailydot.com/irl/ivanka-trump-unpaid-intern/ she's at least the one and only member of that family trying to have a sense of classiness and decency, or at least publicly puts on that persona. But I do strongly suspect that there's something very twisted up with that whole family as well other than the glaring psychopathy on Trump's part.
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Barnaby Cuppernuck - Fri, 08 Mar 2019 16:25:40 EST /MwhWfsN No.173444 Reply
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>>173410

Still, when explaining Trump's personality disorders to potential voters, its easier to explain to people that he has a cluster of disorders rather than simply saying sociopath or psychopath. Average voters don't usually have the knowledge of psychology to know that said disorders sometimes have such a wide variety of crippling symptoms. Even I didn't know that.

Anytime Trump's name makes a news headline it should always for example say:

"President Trump, who suffers from malignant narcissistic personality disorder , refuses to shake hands with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in meeting."

Instead of:

"President Trump refuses to shake hands with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in meeting". To keep voters informed of his severe personality issues.

Its fun to dream
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Shitting Subberspear - Fri, 08 Mar 2019 18:05:09 EST XjrLTKB0 No.173447 Reply
>>173417
What. The. Fuck. That's right up there with the creepy pictures of The Mighty Orange Buffoon and Ivanka.
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Barnaby Cuppernuck - Fri, 08 Mar 2019 18:37:03 EST /MwhWfsN No.173448 Reply
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>>173447

Fire in Fury subtlety hinted that Ivanka hates Melania because she's jealous she gets to fuck Trump more than her now, but it never said anything about the entire family holding these satanic-werewolf-style-orgies.
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Frederick Nicklelock - Sat, 09 Mar 2019 17:19:58 EST /MwhWfsN No.173457 Reply
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>>173424

My girlfriend has a massive phobia of incest and a massive phobia of cutters. I should send her a picture of that image when we're in the room together and be like "Honey, check out this fine art I found.". And she's "legitimately" enthusiastic so it will really scare the shit out of her. (Normally I would never even think of dating an enthusiastic girl, but she looks like she's 13ish(pic) we both do drugs, we both play video games, and we're both skilled conspiracy theory researchers.)
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Frederick Nicklelock - Sat, 09 Mar 2019 17:48:09 EST /MwhWfsN No.173459 Reply
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>>173417

Maybe thats why Tiffany has a much lower net worth compared to her siblings, and keeps a lower profile to avoid her father perhaps. She refused to play Trump's games. I mean she's such a nobody..
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Albert Drobblecocke - Sat, 09 Mar 2019 19:39:49 EST /MwhWfsN No.173460 Reply
>>173459

Tiffany feels “awkward” around her father-president, according to an April 2018 Vanity Fair article.
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Martha Facklepad - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 05:07:03 EST afUgCeLh No.173466 Reply
>>173383
Seems like benzodiazapines,with say amphetamine. Doing tweets a 4 am, when he should be sleeping. Irrational, but still able to do 'buisness.' So prescriptions
are not doing drugs. Nobody really acts like him in the Republican party. Close,
even, even to his behavior. Right-wingers are basically bizarre regardless.
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Clara Brurrychetch - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:27:49 EST tpObBmgQ No.173483 Reply
>>173457
>Normally I would never even think of dating an enthusiastic girl, but she looks like she's 13ish(pic)
You know this post would've been fine otherwise. The fact you decided to even note this is more than just a bit odd.
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Angus Brimmerdick - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:36:30 EST +caSzARK No.173484 Reply
>>173483
She doesn't even look "13ish" at all neither, dont know what this guy is smoking.

Or that he would find that someone looking pre-pubescent is attractive.
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Albert Drobblecocke - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 17:43:27 EST /MwhWfsN No.173485 Reply
>>173483

If you read the post its obvious I like scaring people.

>>173848

Well she's under 5 foot and under 100 pounds.
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Clara Brurrychetch - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 18:20:06 EST tpObBmgQ No.173487 Reply
>>173485
Yeah, nah, I think you actually liked boasting about it as if that somehow made you so much more of a cool dude or some silly shit for dating someone you think looks 13ish.
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Albert Drobblecocke - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 18:21:51 EST /MwhWfsN No.173488 Reply
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>>173485

Meant for >>173484

>>173466


Trump doesn't do "business". He's a 100% figure head. A mascot. His babysitters do all the "business" for him. That's the biggest myth about Trump. He didn't write his own book, Tony Schwartz did. Tony Schwartz said he doubts Trump even read "his" book. Calling Trump a Real Estate genius is like calling Micheal Jackson a music genius. Micheal Jackson didn't write his own songs or music, he was a mishmash of corporate decisions. Like Trump.

Michael Jackson couldn’t read or write music. Quincy Jones did all the work.
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Charlotte Smallham - Sun, 10 Mar 2019 21:28:11 EST k4enMT4C No.173492 Reply
Fuck this rumor about the mueller report being done is killing me. I just want it out already please.
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Hugh Bardhood - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 23:50:36 EST /MwhWfsN No.173545 Reply
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>>173415

We all fucking hate him here. But Donald Trump is truly the greatest celebrity there is. He brags about fucking his own daughter on TV and gets away with it. What other celebrity has the notoriety to do that and still be receive adoration from the masses?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWxkauh6lyA
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Ebenezer Cublingleg - Tue, 12 Mar 2019 04:50:09 EST 4scaaRdR No.173548 Reply
>>173415

don't try to pass off one of John Oliver's jokes from Last Week Tonight as your own, nerd.
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Sophie Fanderville - Fri, 15 Mar 2019 17:18:59 EST /MwhWfsN No.173640 Reply
>>173555

True but Woody Allen's daughter was adopted. And Woody Allen doesn't have millions of Americans who would take a bullet for him. They're both rich as hell though.
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Archie Sapperstock - Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:02:04 EST 66djl741 No.173864 Reply
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>>173355
I'll kick Trump out of office... legally. Can't be that hard, can it?
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Fanny Saddlestock - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 17:53:54 EST /MwhWfsN No.173885 Reply
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He's a lifelong criminal with a pervasive patterns of disregard for and violation of the rights of others. One scam after another.

>Trump University (charging for and handing out fake degrees)
>Trump Foundation (stealing millions from charity)
>Undocumented immigrants hired to work at his towers
>Undocumented immigrants hired to work at his golf courses
>Public efforts to intimidate others not to testify
>Tax evasion
>Financial Fraud
>Treason

He's a machine. No remorse or the slightest hint of empathy for his victims.
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Nell Bagglewater - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:36:02 EST GZfjjRXG No.173893 Reply
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>>173885
>>173885
I mean quite frankly the one good thing is we at least can watch this guy in real time as yet another case study. In fact, I really should just abandon chans entirely and focus on making a blog or some shit about that. You can quite clearly and plainly see that he is a sociopath and this is exactly what they look like. And no, you aren't smart if you got conned by this man in fact it's a pretty damn good example of how easily below average IQs can be hoodwinked. Bear in mind, that the average IQ of this country is 100. That means half the country has an IQ below 100, and fully 16% being 85IQ or below. In completely unrelated news fatass Dobald continues to have 40% approval ratings with estimates of about a third being die hard supporters.
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Ebenezer Pemmlewet - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 20:02:42 EST +8irr0Qf No.173959 Reply
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>>173885
And yet at the end of the day it pretty much doesn't matter
https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-robert-mueller-russia-investigation-report-filed-20190322-story.html
There are no further indictments and it's looking like Trump's going to be coming out of it relatively unscathed after throwing a bunch of fall guys under the bus. Which I think I told you guys before, that I think he's just too damn useful to the elites and too well protected, and they are certainly not going to publicly release anything on the Russia-NYC-Israel triangle.

The problem is we have weak willed spineless leadership unwilling to really fight while the ruthless criminals and pathological liars in the GOP keep going. Just look at Reagan. I'm calling it now there will end up being not enough grounds to get the GOP on board with an impeachment, which can mean even more dangerous times as he's already packed the supreme court and his admin with sycophants and fascists. Any sane leadership has already left the room, and I'm calling it now we'll be stuck with this asshole until 2020 and he's going to bomb Iran with Bibi within that timeframe.

We need a ruthless Democrat who won't put up with this shit. The GOP has collectively proven they're utterly unconcerned with principles or morals and are perfectly willing to back actual pedophiles at this point.
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George Husslehall - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 07:43:27 EST EGNDWR3F No.174033 Reply
>>173893
Well done you just wrote most of that post about how IQ is a relative value applied to normal distribution. It doesn't matter if we inflate the numbers so 10000 is average and 16% are below 8500 at the end of the day some people will be smarter than others by a wide enough margin then can hoodwink them. It will always be possible to do what Trump does unless the system itself has adequete and appropriate protections and punishment for exploiting the rules. If say, a system didn't punish the most egregious offenders because they were rich such a system would be unfit for purpose entirely.

Welcome to the modern era. Feudalism was worse but we have so much more work to do.
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Basil Fellerforth - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:20:45 EST /MwhWfsN No.174111 Reply
For some reason they won't release the Mueller report to the public. Wtf? How is it possible to read this extensive report in one day? It doesn't exonerate(a word he wouldn't know what it even means if he didn't hear it on fox news 100 times) him as Trump says. We paid for this report so I as an American have the right to read it.

There could be plenty of crimes in there like money laundering. Give us the damn report Barr, you can't hide it forever.
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Fanny Pittman - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 17:32:44 EST YzHGXqax No.174113 Reply
>>174111
>For some reason they won't release the Mueller report to the public. Wtf?
Because they want to keep you on the hook for as long as possible.

This is a holding pattern. They are not going to remove Trump. They are not going to make things "normal" again. They are protecting the system. That's their job.
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Isabella Mapperdock - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:54:11 EST /MwhWfsN No.174143 Reply
>>174113

I know Trump won't be removed but I just want him to get humiliated after 170+ tweets screaming "BIGGEST WITCH HUNT EVER".

Especially since he mounted the birther "witch hunt" against Obama.
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Isabella Mapperdock - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:17:00 EST /MwhWfsN No.174144 Reply
It could show financial crimes, money laundering, wire fraud, bank fraud, obstruction of justice etc. But they won't let us see the report we paid for. So that means he can run on it in 2020 because he claims it exonerates him. And it doesn't prove he didn't collude, its clear he did, but they couldn't prove it in a court of law because the legal system sucks.
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Martha Gumblefin - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 13:08:11 EST Av5dTK1y No.174148 Reply
>>174144
>And it doesn't prove he didn't collude, its clear he did, but they couldn't prove it
Wasn't that supposed to be the point of all this? To prove it?

If this was supposed to be the proof, and it came back with no proof, why is it still so "clear" to you?
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Alice Hurrybanks - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:19:31 EST JoouyJ9Q No.174150 Reply
>>174148
>it came back with no proof
Wasn't it already mentioned that what was said was basically the AG giving his summary of the report & the full report still hasn't been released?
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Isabella Mapperdock - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:39:38 EST /MwhWfsN No.174151 Reply
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>>174148

>Trump firing James Comey when he was in a position to expose him.
>The Trump tower meeting where Donald Trump Jr, Paul Manafort, Jared Kushner, and at least 5 other people met with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, which they clearly lied to say the meeting was about "Russian adoptions".
>When his son got caught replying "I love it" when a Russian agent that sent him an email saying they can help him beat Hillary.
>Paul Manafort lying to prosecutors.
>Paul Manafort's history with the Kremlin
>Trump parroting Russian talking points that they've been saying since the 1980s(because Putin tells him what to say).
>Flynn admitting to lying about asking a Russian ambassador to refrain from responding to Obama administration sanctions against Russia for its election interference and further requested Russia help block a United Nations vote on Israeli settlements which the incoming administration didn't agree with.
>Longtime Trump friend and veteran political operative Roger Stone included one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements -- including lying to Congress -- and one count of witness tampering in special counsel Robert Mueller probe into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election.
>All 16 US intelligence agencies saying Russian troll farms helped Trump get elected by spreading misinformation on Facebook, proving Putin wanted Trump in power.
>George Papadopoulos, the novice, unpaid foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump was arrested for lying to FBI investigators about his correspondence with foreign nationals with close ties to senior Russian government officials.
>Alex Van Der Zwaan, the son-in-law of Russian oligarch German Khan, had pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about his contacts with Trump campaign deputy chair Rick Gates in September 2016.
>Richard Pinedo's involvement in the Russian troll factory's online influence campaign during the 2016 election by selling bank accounts to Russians. Pinedo pleaded guilty to to identity fraud in October that year.
>Special counsel Robert Mueller team indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies during their lengthy investigation. That group is composed of six former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including five of the six former Trump advisers) have pleaded guilty.

To name a few..
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Hedda Cindlenudge - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:49:12 EST rGvC95bY No.174153 Reply
>>174151
Okay but you just said that they couldn't prove collusion, and I'm pretty sure Mueller knew about all that.

So if all of that meets the legal definition of collusion, why couldn't they prove collusion?
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Emma Backlecocke - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 15:59:59 EST YzHGXqax No.174155 Reply
>>174151
>muh intelligence agencies
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/25/brennan_relieved_there_was_not_a_criminal_conspiracy_with_russia_good_news_for_country.html
>JOHN BRENNAN, FMR. CIA DIRECTOR: Well, I don't know if I received bad information but I suspected there was more than there actually was. I am relieved that it's been determined there was not a criminal conspiracy with the Russian government over our election. I think that is good news for the country.

>I still point to things that were done publicly, or efforts to try to have conversations with the Russians that were inappropriate, but I'm not all that surprised that the high bar of criminal conspiracy was not met.
Stop trusting intelligence agencies, how have you not learned this by now?
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Isabella Mapperdock - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:31:08 EST /MwhWfsN No.174157 Reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CT7DXomEbA

There must be something fishy in there or else Mitch McConnell wouldn't be blocking the resolution to release the results of the Mueller Report to the public. Something that could hurt the Republican party probably.
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Albert Dumblelene - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 17:33:43 EST IDV8ekMf No.174158 Reply
Russiagate was a distraction from GOP/DNC corruption, Trump's actual crimes, and Israelgate
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Archie Socklechot - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 22:56:30 EST Br3JOJNF No.174164 Reply
>>174157
>There must be something fishy in there or else Mitch McConnell wouldn't be blocking the resolution to release the results of the Mueller Report to the public. Something that could hurt the Republican party probably.

Mconnell has always been a scumbag. Always. I beleive it was him way back saying we need to drill NWAR or whatever and sell the oil on the open market to the highest bidder. How about keep Our land and offshore oil for our consumption. Like 67 cents a gallon. It's like selling something,
then buying it back again. AT a high rate to the basic consumer.

My parents lived in an oil rich midwest, refinery town, and gasoline prices were
higher than surrounding ares states. The right needs to do some footwork instead of dragging us all down. We hate Obama, we hate liberals, so, so,
we will basically commit politial murder and suicide. Trump, the biggest
most worthless thing that the US could possibly know. McConnel, he is
a complete nothing. Hoe people like him survive in politics I don't know.
The US, part of it is fully freaking evil, I don't take calling something evil
lightly either. Mindless terrorists are evil. The right, one can have right-wing views, racism homophobia all they like. I don't care, it's their thing. But there is a line between those in politics and basic pure evil. There are those who condone
this evil, because, wahhh they merely hate Democrats. It's like Nazism. I am basically liberal, I have had neo-Nazi associates. These people were not evil in the sense that the right is today. They were thinkers. Heck they were even friends with my black friends. Because I was respected as a tolerant thinker, even for neo-nazis. I hate KKK with a passion. Burning crosses, the symbol of their religion, because of their hate of gays non-whites. I seriously would vote for David Duke over trump any day. Duke is pretty much well spoken. rump is a blithering idiot his words he chooses. He says he knows people well who has never talked to him. He props people up with his adjectives, great man, whater whatever, then calls them weak or cowards if they 'somehow' rub his toupee the wrong way. Trump is weaker than Bush and 10 nay 100% times more of a scumbag than Bush was. MConnell is right there as usual.
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Archie Socklechot - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 02:27:45 EST Br3JOJNF No.174168 Reply
>>174157
>resolution to release the results of the Mueller Report to the public.
>Something that could hurt the Republican party probably.

Fair to say. That has been the case from the get-go. I have always knew what the word
collusion meant, but never in my life, tv or otherwise heard it. Until Trump came up.

Guilianni claimed collusion is not a crime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBKu9OJ8Ltk
I don't know.

>>74158
>Russiagate was a distraction from GOP/DNC corruption, Trump's actual crimes, and >Israelgate

Pizzagate was well, well dumb as fk. Guy even went in with a gun to accomplish the spiral of insanity what is the Republican party, conservative Christians.

I do think there is some as some call it deflecting blame. Trump says no president should go through something like this. Blaming everybody for being this and that. The people should never have to go through some leadership that the Republicans present. Dems have their own stuff to deal with let alone adding the Burden of the entire dysfunctional Republican party as well.
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Cedric Sorrygold - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 03:38:18 EST Zhdk+f9U No.174169 Reply
>>174164
Might want to calm down and try posting when you're not foaming at the mouth. You'll come off as more coherent.
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Thomas Wagglesitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 08:39:14 EST KetzL85W No.174175 Reply
>>174164
>The US, part of it is fully freaking evil
This is SFW, watch your language
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Hedda Pickbury - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 08:52:43 EST SNtOCG0p No.174178 Reply
>>174169
English is not the guy's first language. I almost thought he was a bot at first.
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Sophie Poblingdock - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 11:53:18 EST bq9mUpwR No.174183 Reply
>>174178
He claims to be a 49 year old man that grew up in the US.
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Augustus Backledock - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 11:55:15 EST /MwhWfsN No.174184 Reply
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The attorney general hiding the Mueller report from the public has a history of covering up crimes. And he's really good at it. He buried evidence of George H W Bush's involvement in Iraq gate. He buried evidence related to Iran Contra. He resisted multiple special councils. He's the one who needs to be investigated.
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Angus Simmerdudge - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 12:29:21 EST knZ33T8X No.174188 Reply
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>>174184
>>/Tinfoil/
>>/Spooky/
Suck it fags, you're the real conspirtards now
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Basil Piblingmick - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:32:20 EST S690v/MY No.174191 Reply
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>>174157
>>174184
>>174190
You guys really need to come to terms with the fact that you got played. Nothing in that report is going to give you what you want.

Instead of doubling down like a tinfoiler/quanoner/Birther/truther, get mad at the MSM that lied you to this helpless place. Hold them accountable. Learn from this.
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Thomas Wagglesitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:32:17 EST KetzL85W No.174195 Reply
>>174186
This. Russiagate was a way for the neoliberals to support Trump under the guise of opposing him while not having to criticize all of the actual shit he did, since they're on board with most of it. Rather than cover his numerous vile moves in office, such as pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal, the paris accords, his war in Yemen, war-mongering in Venezuela, his deregulation of polluting industries and climate denialism, his tax changes, which constitute the single largest upward redistribution of wealth in US history, and so on, they gave him a moral highground to claim and provided more coverage to the conspiracy than they did to all of the aforementioned things combined.

By refocusing liberal outrage towards a conspiracy, they effectively neutered efforts to hold Trump accountable. If Trump colluded with anybody, it's Israel.
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Nell Buzzfuck - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:06:57 EST JoouyJ9Q No.174196 Reply
>>174191
Can you not shit this place up with whatever retarded tweet you find? Thx
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Molly Fanstock - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:13:41 EST tlilhxRg No.174198 Reply
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>all these dumshit stormfront cocksuckers thinking the mueller report means what trump says it means

Hahahah. The terror has only begun.
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Thomas Drarrydud - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:50:55 EST YzHGXqax No.174199 Reply
>>174198
I'm pretty sure the alt-right and stormfront have by this point admit to themselves that Trump is a useful moron who doesn't know what he's talking about. The significance of this isn't what Trump says.

Most right wingers are celebrating this because of the damage this does to the credibility of the Democrats and the "liberal media". Even if you weren't already inclined to distrust them before, now at best they look hopelessly ineffectual and weak. American voters do not respond well to perceived weakness, and people are not motivated to vote for a party that seems to waste time accomplishing nothing. The middle America rubes will be more loyal and obedient than ever. And right wing politicians including Trump will use this to rally the base for years.

From a political strategic standpoint this is a huge win for the right including stormfront.
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Molly Churryhadge - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:40:45 EST /MwhWfsN No.174206 Reply
>>174203

Financial crimes, money laundering, wire fraud, bank fraud, obstruction of justice etc. Whatevers in there could hurt the Republican Party, thats why they're working really hard to make sure its not released to the public.
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Isabella Blytheson - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 01:02:04 EST tlilhxRg No.174207 Reply
>>174199
Not really. Americans care more about healthcare and a free internet than whether Trump's sucking Trump's dick. Dems can still play it smart, if they want.
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Charles Wandlewill - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:20:43 EST 8c32w9KN No.174246 Reply
>>174198
Do they not realize how many other investigations he and his family are the target of?

So much for "law and order".
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Nicholas Dazzleson - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:26:42 EST Zhdk+f9U No.174247 Reply
>>174246

They don't care. As it stands there was no concrete evidence that Mueller could stick to him. That's good enough for them. Nevermind that seemingly everyone around him got nailed in some fashion. They don't care about the other investigations because that wasn't what they were so pants-shittngly afraid of.

The liberals were wrong about something. That's literally all they care about.
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Matilda Fudgewater - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 06:35:18 EST YzHGXqax No.174250 Reply
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>>174207
>Americans care more about healthcare and a free internet than whether Trump's sucking Trump's dick. Dems can still play it smart, if they want.
Yeah, but that's the thing. They could have played it smart, but they chose not to. They could have spent twp years focusing on healthcare or free internet or climate disaster, but they intentionally wasted everyone's time so they could cosplay a Tom Clancy novel, and now everyone knows it.

And sadly half of them seem to be doubling down even now. It's like they want to throw the next election.
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Ebenezer Pabblewell - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:31:56 EST tlilhxRg No.174252 Reply
>>174250
Actually, IIRC, the Dems have played the midterms all on healthcare, and that netted them a giant win on an election they historically pretty much always lose.

I dunno, I'm not American.

It's mostly the media jumping on Mueller's Report. Because it makes you money from all sides. Trump-chimps, libs, lefties.
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John Drenkinset - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:33:01 EST Uqe+NQAx No.174285 Reply
>>174252
See but here's the thing the republitards are always whinging about this or that perceived lack of patriotism andbtreason etc. Why the FUCK should we give those people a pass now? I'm not saying to ignore the important issues but we shouldn't be spineless in confronting them either.
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Lillian Tootcocke - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:17:45 EST oGpst73G No.174295 Reply
>>174285
>Why the FUCK should we give those people a pass now?
Because using "patriotism" and performative flag-humping as a marker of a good person is stupid and self-defeating. Buying into that framing legitimizes xenophobia and imperial aggression as good things, and further pushes the Overton window to the right.

Which was, of course, one reason for why the media chose to hyperfocus on it. Tricking libs into accepting hysterical flag-humping ethno nationalism as a form of #resistance benefits the war industry and reinforces the imperial status quo.

So no, confronting chuds who won't listen to you anyway because they weren't horny enough for the flag won't help anyone besides Raytheon and Halliburton. You should be confronting centrist libs for allowing themselves to turn into Bush-era jingoistic nutcases.
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Charles Wandlewill - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:42:24 EST 8c32w9KN No.174296 Reply
>>174295
>The liberals were wrong about something. That's literally all they care about.
Weird cause Mueller is a Republican. Barr is a republican. The FBI certainly isn't liberal...
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Hannah Sublinglock - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:58:56 EST /MwhWfsN No.174298 Reply
>>174243

The fact that Republicans are blocking it being released to the public shows there is something fishy in there.
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Hannah Sublinglock - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 16:21:20 EST /MwhWfsN No.174300 Reply
>>174298

They proclaim innocence yet they are afraid to publicly present the facts of the investigation? Yep, this is definitely not suspicious...
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Charlotte Fancocke - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 16:56:01 EST 4UsD/UuA No.174302 Reply
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Hoookay, well, Spooky up there is apparently just going to dig deeper into insanity, but for anyone who actually wants a full comprehensive summary and media analysis -here are some of thr few good non-chud sources who saw how this was gonna go down from the very beginning:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million
https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/mueller-report-ends-a-shameful-period-for-the-press/
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/03/russiagate-donald-trump-mueller-report
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Jack Hurringtudge - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:04:50 EST gHMyHNlY No.174303 Reply
Nixon's "I am not a crook" wasn't a campaign slogan.


think about that
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Jack Hurringtudge - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:09:13 EST gHMyHNlY No.174304 Reply
This as if Nixon's "I am not a crook" was a campaign slogan.


we live in a negative society
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Ernest Feffingshaw - Sat, 30 Mar 2019 13:51:43 EST YzHGXqax No.174314 Reply
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>>174302
>We won’t know how much of any of this to take seriously until the press gets out of bed with the security services and looks at this whole series of events all over again with fresh eyes, as journalists, not political actors. That means being open to asking what went wrong with this story, in addition to focusing so much energy on Trump and Russia.

>The WMD mess had massive real-world negative impact, leading to over a hundred thousand deaths and trillions in lost taxpayer dollars. Unless Russiagate leads to a nuclear conflict, we’re unlikely to ever see that level of consequence. Still, Russiagate has led to unprecedented cooperation between the government and Internet platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and Google, all of which are censoring pages on the left, right, and in between in the name of preventing the “sowing of discord.” The story also had a profound impact on the situation in places like Syria, where Russian and American troops have sat across the Euphrates River from one another, two amped-up nuclear powers at a crossroads.

>As a purely journalistic failure, however, WMD was a pimple compared to Russiagate. The sheer scale of the errors and exaggerations this time around dwarfs the last mess. Worse, it’s led to most journalists accepting a radical change in mission. We’ve become sides-choosers, obliterating the concept of the press as an independent institution whose primary role is sorting fact and fiction. We had the sense to eventually look inward a little in the WMD affair, which is the only reason we escaped that episode with any audience left. Is the press even capable of that kind of self-awareness now? WMD damaged our reputation. If we don’t turn things around, this story will destroy it.
So going forward can we please stop listening with American corporations tell us to trust American cops and spooks? Maybe exercise a little fucking skepticism that we should have learned from decades ago?

Is this something that 420chan of all fucking places might be able to learn?
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Phineas Brimmerstut - Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:38:16 EST Zhdk+f9U No.174323 Reply
>>174318

Reuters is comparable to FOX? You're a fucking retard.
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Eugene Wommerchare - Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:33:55 EST JoouyJ9Q No.174326 Reply
>>174323
I'm kinda curious what point he was trying to make or who he was trying to fool with that shit, too.
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Cornelius Broshstidge - Sat, 30 Mar 2019 23:18:47 EST +8irr0Qf No.174330 Reply
>>174325
A fuckload of people already got criminal convictions for among other things directly colluding with the Russians, including the fucking appointed head of national security. That doesn't bother you? Directly electing people who at minimum have shown such poor judgment as to put people guilty of fucking treason in charge of our goddam national security? So far as I'm concerned this has shown republitards have also got zero right to say shit about patriotism or morality either. Most slimy, hypocritical, disgusting, two faced bunch of scum ever.
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Frederick Harringdock - Sat, 30 Mar 2019 23:39:25 EST YzHGXqax No.174331 Reply
>>174330
There have been some convictions but who, exactly, was convicted of "directly colluding with the Russians"?
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Alice Hillersot - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 03:39:07 EST /6jaCYUm No.174335 Reply
>>174296
The FBI can be objective. They may not be liberal but can have liberal values. Interest in justice.
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Alice Hillersot - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:02:24 EST /6jaCYUm No.174339 Reply
>>174331
How about you explain who lied about meetings and ties with Russians.
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Alice Hillersot - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:33:15 EST /6jaCYUm No.174340 Reply
>>173408
He as well said he gets briefed daily. He said he is always on top of things.
Continuously briefed on threats. Reagan, now he kept up on things. Dig
him up and put him in charge. No really, Reagan had some causes for concern,
but all in all he knew what he was doing. Basically sane. His worst days I would take over Trumps best days, why? Because Trump has not had one good day.
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Alice Hillersot - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:56:42 EST /6jaCYUm No.174341 Reply
>>173399
Adderal amphetamine and dextroamphetamine. One can take pretty large amounts of amphetimines, stay awake for a week easy enough. Tweet weird stuff that sound foreign to reality at 3 am.

I have always thought this, that he does amphetamines, gets amphetamine psychosis. Paranoia, at time thinks he is invincible. Syndrome where one thinks they are superior. Then takes diazapines in between times to either sleep/rest for a while , or to level his-self out. Or try to. Cocaine, sure, doesn't last long. a quick pick up. Mixing cocaine and amphetamienes would produce a psychosis that is more his mentality. But Dialated eyes with amphetimines, one would have to be taking a larger amount. Not necessarily be tweaking, or acting weird and saying weird stuff though,,, Regardless, he is mentally unfit, that is simply all there is to it.
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Alice Hillersot - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 06:06:57 EST /6jaCYUm No.174342 Reply
>>173406
>>173410
>I also don't think he's a master at it. I just think that most people are shockingly stupid and gullible. One thing I've noticed is that the psychopaths or sociopaths are themselves often shocked by the weak mindedness and gullibility of the flock of sheep that they scam
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqltRGJCiXI
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Lydia Murddock - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 09:13:24 EST KetzL85W No.174347 Reply
>>174340
Trump is a unique case, but all the same, Reagan's presidency marked the beginning of the modern dominant political ideology. His policies have lived on through every president since him, and are responsible for the US's "police the world" mentality. Fuck Reagan.

When comparing Reagan and Trump, we're not asking who served the country better. We're asking who fucked it up more, and they both did a fine job at that. Trump just is less intelligent.
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Sidney Chollerbanks - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 09:45:31 EST aFqSBLWV No.174348 Reply
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>>174335
>The FBI can be objective.
>Interest in justice.
Okay buddy, I'm sure you have a burning professional interest in convincing us to trust cops, but there's no need for you to quintuple post about it.
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Jarvis Bammlecocke - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 11:10:27 EST gHMyHNlY No.174352 Reply
This is like if Nixon haha get it nixon and he RAN todayyy HAHA lol get it if his a slogan was HAHA i am NOT a CRIME

choke on my cock
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Jarvis Bammlecocke - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:49:29 EST gHMyHNlY No.174356 Reply
>>174355
This is as if Nixon ran for president and his slogan was, "I am not a crook" when in reality that was not his slogan but was something he said as he was being ushered out of office, forced to resign because of the actions of his cabinet.

I am drawing the comparison from then to now in that Trump will almost certainly run for reelection under this slogan, his own version of "i am not a crook".
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Jarvis Bammlecocke - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:56:09 EST gHMyHNlY No.174357 Reply
>>174355
The idea that someone will get elected to the highest office in the land because they are "not a crook" is insane to me. That he will almost certainly win reelection out of spite is insane to me. That it doesn't matter how vile repulsive and damaging a person is as long as they make the other half pay is fucking insane.
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Cornelius Broshstidge - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 16:41:25 EST +8irr0Qf No.174360 Reply
>>174357
This has made me realize should I simply abandon all morality I can go pretty far in a Western society by just exploiting the shit out of stupid people rather than trying to do anything constructive.
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Jarvis Nicklebod - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 23:39:42 EST qPbFZDTy No.174367 Reply
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Yeah, most politicians and people involved with New York real estate are.
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Phyllis Nuttingdock - Wed, 03 Apr 2019 21:04:38 EST 0jcyQjtc No.174411 Reply
>>173413
>And deflection via humor. Megan Kelly confronted him about him calling women he disliked fat pigs, slobs, and disgusting animals. Then Trump deflected with "Only Rosie O'Donald" and the crowd laughed.

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Bush 'joked' about not finding wmds in Iraq, the crowd laughed. Tee Hee heee.

Right-wingers are totally waked out of their pathertic little minds.
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Hamilton Depperwill - Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:33:01 EST /MwhWfsN No.174507 Reply
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Is cheating at golf a crime? Maybe if money is on the line. Idk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kPzBpFNBaI

>>174411

I love Rosie but thats incomparable to Bush's crowd laughing at his WMD jokes. He's basically saying "hahahha the whole war is a scam guys" and they fall out of their seats laughing.
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Hamilton Depperwill - Sat, 06 Apr 2019 17:49:13 EST /MwhWfsN No.174509 Reply
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Whats provoking is he promised he would never play golf once or watch TV or do anything except non-stop work when he was running for president. And he never works basically. Too lazy to even attend daily intelligence briefings.
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Phineas Gangerbit - Sat, 06 Apr 2019 23:52:35 EST zTh+lzJ2 No.174513 Reply
>>174509
I have met people who were basically compulsive liars, but not 24/7. Yes he did say that, so peopl could go, ohh obama. Right wingers are trash, hate to say it, but they
have zero integrity.

Jail Hillary, duhhhh. Jail hillarry, teehhe hee. Politics are so much fun. Tee hee hee.
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Hugh Sottingbotch - Sun, 07 Apr 2019 12:45:05 EST /MwhWfsN No.174519 Reply
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>>174513

They have no shame. Mitch McConnell is going nuclear over the fact that democrats are making it difficult to confirm Trump's nominees as judges. Says its "unique" in American history. This is ironically after Mitch ripped the constitution to shreds by leading unprecedented obstruction of Merrick Garland who was Obama's pick for the Supreme Court, who never got there, going against our most sacred/ancient traditions.

He was also one of Trump's biggest opponents before he was president, now that he's in office, he's Trump's number 1 asshole licker.
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Charles Barrywork - Sun, 07 Apr 2019 15:33:57 EST ItHEuqX0 No.174524 Reply
>>174513
Ohh Obama, playing golf all the time, on a non-stop election campaign. Shit, Trump was campaigning to kids who were around 6 years old. To people in texas who were in extremely dire times. Trum went out there, thank you for coming, duhhh. What a crowd!!! Yeahhh!!!

People still applauded him, what a great great leader. Like Bush, when New Orleans went under water. He rolled up his sleeves for a photo op with firefighters. Then left. Fema as it were, is, blocked outside assistance. The figherfighters I understand who attended Bush's photo op were told to go
back home. Not saying that to make right-wingers look bad, but to state
common knowledge. Bussing offered to assist in evacutation of people
who could not leave, after the fact. They were permenantly put on hold,
if you will. A body was bobbing up and down in the water for waay over
a week. News asked about that, ,,,,,

Live coverage, body still there in the back ground, bloating up by the day. I'm not gonna pick it up, you pick it up.
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Charles Barrywork - Sun, 07 Apr 2019 16:24:02 EST ItHEuqX0 No.174526 Reply
McConnel, I have listened to him 'it' decades. He stands for nothing, he is nothing. He 'angrily' exclaimed, (it's only possible emotion;) to open NWAR for the oil oil and sell it on the open market to the highest bidder. Mad as heck he was that day. So much it even showed.

No mention of keeping it to ourselves and give the taxpayer a break on gas prices. It's like this, we sell it on the open market, oil prices go down and Americans get cheaper gasoline. thank you. That is how it works. Really.

The idea behind Iraq was to get their oil, privatize it, and in turn, at the end, Americans would pay less for gasoline. (not really though.) Saddam had a finger on oil flow, which could have turned prices up or down at will. Strategy was to consolidate Iraqs oil. By war, in reality, try to get it for ourselves and right-wing interests, not to consolidate it to the open market.


Remember Iraq oil would pay for the war. Note, Mexico would pay for the wall. Ehh? Right wingers use fear lies manipulation to just get far enough for people to say yes. Then all is fair. Trump exclaims, the people elected me to do what I promised them, 'they are going to get it.'
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Archie Chobblebanks - Sun, 07 Apr 2019 16:52:33 EST 8pt/AtPX No.174530 Reply
>>174526
Are you writing some sort of song? I dont get this posting format your doing.
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Molly Drunnerkodge - Sun, 07 Apr 2019 18:05:05 EST JVyWIVoa No.174537 Reply
>>174535
No, it's that fried out guy from Colorado and his indecipherable gibberish. The guy that keeps saying Sanders says one thing then contradicts himself etc.
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Isabella Chinnerlog - Sun, 07 Apr 2019 18:28:06 EST tlilhxRg No.174541 Reply
>>174537
>Colorado

Getting high on that dinosaur ghost weed.

Shit's strong...
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William Blythegold - Sun, 07 Apr 2019 18:31:01 EST 5pNk8cfS No.174542 Reply
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>>174537
Well to be fair yeah this is way less coherent than the bot usually but still, my vote is bot. Or someone not worth engaging in conversation regardless.
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Molly Drunnerkodge - Sun, 07 Apr 2019 19:05:30 EST JVyWIVoa No.174543 Reply
>>174542
I suppose he could be a bot, but he has responded to people before, and I don't know why someone would make a bot that talks up a Democratic candidate from Denver while shitting on Bernie Sanders. Then again I don't know why the chinese would send a bot here to soapbox with shit just like that radio signal in Fallout 3 at Mama Dolce's.
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Angus Cavingstone - Mon, 08 Apr 2019 18:32:36 EST /MwhWfsN No.174593 Reply
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Here is what he just said
> "You know when you talk about previous administrations, so, we have a stretch along the Rio Grand, where, and you people know exactly where I'm talking about, its about 38 miles, done by, actually both previous administrations, its a wall, its a good looking wall, its got 36 doors on it, and then they never put the doors on it! So its 38 miles, with 36 doors, that you can drive a truck through, there's only one problem they never put the doors on it! So we're putting the doors on it, or, even better, I said maybe you do it without the doors. Cause putting the doors on cost more than the property is worth. I'd rather give the money for the property and say bye-bye, or sell it so somebody on the other side, but, literally putting the doors on cost more money, I said, whats the property worth on the other side? I said much less than the doors!! These are doors with, hydraulic, because they're so heavy, which is ridiculous, but so, that's the kind of thinking that went into this. So now we're filling up those big gaping wounds."

What the fuck is he talking about? Doors that don't exist? Doors that do exist? The only thing worse than a massively criminal president is a massively criminal president with full blown dementia + Alzheimer's.
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Edwin Funningfeck - Mon, 08 Apr 2019 18:45:03 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.174595 Reply
>>174593
It's wild how he says so much while saying nothing at all. Is he putting the doors on? Is he selling the land? Is he demolishing the old fence? Are they, like, welding on sheet metal or something?

I don't think his supporters listen to the content of the speech so much as his cadence, though. What matters is that he says the right phrases, the ones that make the liberals mad especially, and says it in the kind of smug tone of voice they recognize as their own (or what they'd like to be their own).
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Fanny Clagglehall - Mon, 08 Apr 2019 20:30:04 EST gz2WsOXB No.174597 Reply
>>174593

This is freaking insane, man. This man, trump, this trump-man... he's so bad sometimes that he sometimes makes bush jr look good. But sometimes trump speaking isn't a dumpster fire, which leads me to believe it's related to drugs.

Ten years ago I would not have imagined it could be like this.
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William Wenningbere - Mon, 08 Apr 2019 20:32:28 EST YzHGXqax No.174598 Reply
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>>174597
>he's so bad sometimes that he sometimes makes bush jr look good
let's not get crazy, now
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Shit Honningwell - Mon, 08 Apr 2019 21:43:26 EST fpo1elCK No.174599 Reply
>>174597
>>which leads me to believe it's related to drugs.
I'd like to believe that but he has a life-long reputation as a teetotaler. He doesn't bother to lie about the rest of the heinous shit he does, why would he lie about that? I'm pretty sure it's just age-related early onset dementia.

>>174598
>>let's not get crazy, now
Yeah but how will that chart look in 50 years when you include climate deaths attributable to the US pulling out of the paris accord?
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Nicholas Sosslekug - Mon, 08 Apr 2019 21:45:13 EST TbjHpHWH No.174600 Reply
>>174597

Trump will never be as bad as W. I'd take an incompetent bumbling oaf like Trump over literal war criminals like W, Cheney, Rice, and crew any day of the week.
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James Nuffingstidging - Mon, 08 Apr 2019 22:19:10 EST /MwhWfsN No.174602 Reply
>>174598

I think he meant in terms of stupid things that come out of his mouth.

>>174593

I tried reposting my post here on 4chimp's /pol/ and it got deleted 10 minutes later lol. Why do they ALL obsess over every thing he does?
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Charles Sankinfeck - Mon, 08 Apr 2019 23:11:13 EST Zhdk+f9U No.174603 Reply
>>174599

He is absolutely suffering from dementia. But, the GOP won't do anything about it unless he reaches for the launch controls of a nuclear warhead. He's a stooge pushing their agenda and an easy fall guy for when shit goes south.
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Shit Honningwell - Tue, 09 Apr 2019 01:53:10 EST fpo1elCK No.174604 Reply
>>174603
>>He's a stooge pushing their agenda and an easy fall guy for when shit goes south.
Which, unfortunately, was also true with Bush 2: Electric Boogaloo. Would the tea party era have been possible if the GOP couldn't jettison everything they had done during W with W, wash their hands and rebrand?
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Charles Sankinfeck - Tue, 09 Apr 2019 05:36:47 EST Zhdk+f9U No.174607 Reply
>>174604

The tea party and the rise of extremist right-wing ideology was an inevitable result of the wars in the middle east and white nationalist groups using it as an opportunity to recruit. On top of that, you have economic collapse, the wealthy stealing from the poor and middle class, bilking everyone for what they're worth while skinheads whisper their bullshit about immigrants stealing jobs a (((globalist))) agenda controlling the media and all sorts of other heinous and stupid conspiracy shit.....the desperate, angry and ignorant people eat it up because it's easy to blame the other. It's easy to ignore that the wealthy are the source of our problems and not our saviors.

Everyone turned a blind eye or had a good chuckle about ignorant rednecks and their tea bagging....and now here we are. Building literal fucking concentration camps, minus the gas chambers and forced labor. At least for now. Nobody took solid fucking action when they should have, and now everything is going to shit. Progress in the US has probably been set back 20 years, if not more.
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Charles Sankinfeck - Tue, 09 Apr 2019 07:10:00 EST Zhdk+f9U No.174611 Reply
>>174608

Welp that pretty much settles it. The US has become a full-blown fascist nuclear-armed hellscape.
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Graham Greenlock - Tue, 09 Apr 2019 15:17:40 EST ASiWqEmX No.174621 Reply
>>174611
Yeah it's a pretty open battle for the fate of the world at this point. They're raping and trafficking them too. They've been raping each other in the cage camps too. I think I saw one report on that. People are in denial or too cowardly to act. The Americans who started this country, if they believed it was wrong or ungodly, would have mobbed up and freed those innocent people by force. Now there are one in a thousand who would even consider it.

There are two countries in here, simple as that.
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Edward Hamblemit - Tue, 09 Apr 2019 19:39:31 EST +8irr0Qf No.174637 Reply
>>174621
>e Americans who started this country, if they believed it was wrong or ungodly, would have mobbed up and freed those innocent people by force.
Many of the people who started this country were slave owners FYI
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Edwin Daggletot - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 00:21:00 EST 1KcWuZvS No.174738 Reply
>>174737
>meanwhile the barbary slave trade still goes strong in Africa and the MIddle East.
I don't think you know what the Barbary slave trade actually was because it was stamped out by the French 30 years before the US civil war
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Esther Memmernat - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 02:48:14 EST JoouyJ9Q No.174740 Reply
>>174737
>Did you know if you illegally move to mexico your ass going in a shallow grave?
>Did you know if you stand too close to the Israel border wall you get sniped?
>Did you know Justin Trudeau once said citizenship is a privilege not a right?

Did you know that absolutely none of the stuff you mentioned excuses the shitty things the US has done with the people in these camps?
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Sophie Blythewell - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 07:57:19 EST jefLv1gs No.174742 Reply
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>>174737
>muh anchor babies
Letting us know that you think "slave labor and rape and period checks" are acceptable because you're afraid of non-white infants doesn't help your image.
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Nell Crindledutch - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:01:19 EST +8irr0Qf No.174763 Reply
>>174742
>doesn't help your image
>your image
You're exactly the kind of slimy fuck I HATE having to put up with regardless of you being right on this one. Who gives a fuck about "your image"? A bunch of disgusting narcissistic cunts who haven't got a single principled bone in their bodies.

Also yeah that's true about Russians who are entirely a bunch of oligarchs. It's a well known thing that pisses off average Russians as their oligarchs loot the country and then fuck off to London or NYC or somewhere to invest their ill gotten gains and send their kids to school and such.
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Esther Memmernat - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 16:58:06 EST JoouyJ9Q No.174772 Reply
>>174770
>Just some perspective.
It's "perspective" that is completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread.
If you wanna talk about the shitty things other countries do, you're more than welcome to make a thread about it. Shit, that's what this board is for.

But this is a thread about the shitty things the US is doing. Going "well, these other countries are shit, too!" isn't relevant in this thread at fucking all.
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Clara Billingstone - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:12:25 EST /MwhWfsN No.174773 Reply
>>174770

>Not "literal" cages
Kids are being abused/raped according to reports, many children they've completely lost track of, one family was given the wrong baby back to them and they couldn't find the real one after, one kid given back after a few short months is in a video screaming and crying "You're not my mom anymore! I hate you!" because this happened(and many are kept way longer than that).

Their going to need some serious therapy, if that even helps, and if they even get them back because of the mix-ups. They can't even keep track of them.

Whatever happened to the innocence of childhood?
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Sidney Sigglehall - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:21:09 EST EUZRlE4k No.174774 Reply
>>174773
Literally compulsory education and the warehousing of children required by working moms. Leftist solving made this possible.
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Esther Memmernat - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:23:41 EST JoouyJ9Q No.174775 Reply
>>174774
Are you seriously trying to spin this into another excuse to bitch about the left?
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Sidney Sigglehall - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:28:00 EST EUZRlE4k No.174776 Reply
>>174775
"Da right" aren't in charge of public or commercial childcare.
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Nell Crindledutch - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:34:29 EST +8irr0Qf No.174777 Reply
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>>174770
Funny how you don't seem to want to talk about FEMA camps anymore now that they're actually using them
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Matilda Dacklebanks - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 18:04:01 EST RVKjmycb No.174778 Reply
>>174777
Please stop deflecting from right wing perversions by trying to turn this into a /tinfoil/.
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Nell Crindledutch - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 19:34:19 EST +8irr0Qf No.174779 Reply
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>>174778
What the fuck

I'm not deflecting at all and I'm stating the truth
http://www.constitution.org/abus/garden_plot/garden_plot.htm
The contracts were awarded to Halliburton subsidiary KBR, which as you well know was a Cheney company that got rich after 9/11 and the Iraq invasion. It just goes to show that rightards are all a bunch of hypocrites who haven't said one single word about this.
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Simon Gollybury - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 20:17:06 EST /MwhWfsN No.174780 Reply
>>174772

I don't really care if it gets a little off topic in my thread.
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Cedric Simblebanks - Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:23:01 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.174783 Reply
>>174776
Betsy DeVos is as far away as you can get from being a leftist and she's the current Secretary of Education. Want to try again?

>Oh, but they broke the law!

So that excuses raping children? Fucking scumbag. Here's the conversation we should be having: people who cross political borders should not face any punishment whatsoever, and the citizenship process should be radically simplified, with deportation abolished.

>>174777
Those aren't FEMA camps, those are DHS camps, and the cluckservatives who voted for the president don't care about those so long as it's people with darker skin tones suffering in them.
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Graham Pocklestock - Fri, 12 Apr 2019 02:01:07 EST X2nxfq1+ No.174789 Reply
>>174775
>"Da right" aren't in charge of public or commercial childcare.

Da right, can't seem to do anything right. Right?
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Simon Gollybury - Fri, 12 Apr 2019 11:14:50 EST /MwhWfsN No.174794 Reply
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>>174600

The Bush Administration are all definitely war criminals, but Trump is a bigger national disgrace. I can't imagine how stupid other countries see us as now.
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Priscilla Beshhall - Fri, 12 Apr 2019 11:20:23 EST ohYrEewA No.174795 Reply
>>174794
>The Bush Administration are all definitely war criminals, but Trump is a bigger national disgrace.
I love how much of a toxic apologist for imperialism this Russia shit has made you.
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Simon Gollybury - Fri, 12 Apr 2019 11:49:40 EST /MwhWfsN No.174796 Reply
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>>174795

It has nothing to do with Russia shit, its quotes like I posted here >>174593 and being the dumbest person on twitter like the image I posted above.

Take his famous "I'm a very stable genius damn it! Please believe me!" tweet for example. Imagine someone walks up to you in a bar and says. "Hi! I'm a very stable genius!", what do you make of that? The only people who brag about how "mentally stable" are the severely mentally ill.

Bush is more evil, Trump is more embarrassing.
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Charles Blubblestudging - Fri, 12 Apr 2019 12:30:28 EST JxkM0PND No.174797 Reply
>>174795
he isnt wrong. Trump is such an embarrassment world leaders are always baffled if not dont want to even speak to him, because of how much of jack ass he is.
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Eugene Murdfoot - Fri, 12 Apr 2019 13:06:07 EST 2pxy3icf No.174799 Reply
>>174796
>Bush is more evil, Trump is more embarrassing.
It's not a contest. They're both plenty incompetent as president.
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Charles Blubblestudging - Fri, 12 Apr 2019 13:10:12 EST JxkM0PND No.174800 Reply
>>174799
trump begs the differ. hes the type to argue hes the best at being the most incompetent, because he thinks everything is competition.
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Matilda Fuckingwell - Sat, 13 Apr 2019 12:40:20 EST /MwhWfsN No.174814 Reply
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Issac Aismov said many things that apply to America today.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge''

Yes, Donald Trump actually said "I love the poorly educated" on camera, you can't make this shit up.
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Matilda Fuckingwell - Sat, 13 Apr 2019 12:42:10 EST /MwhWfsN No.174815 Reply
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>>174814

"People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do."

-Isaac Aismov
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Nigel Siddleluck - Sun, 14 Apr 2019 14:21:12 EST /MwhWfsN No.174832 Reply
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Transparency my dick.
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Frederick Geddlestud - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:35:40 EST /MwhWfsN No.174935 Reply
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqAfPRMzSnM
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/03/26/has-cover-general-william-barr-struck-again

If the "unredacted" Mueller report was so clean, Fox News would be reading it on broadcast every half hour non-stop for weeks. Instead they keep saying we should censor it.

It shouldn't be called the Mueller report, it should be called the Barr report. The report we get next Thursday is going to be over 50% redacted and we will never get to know the truth. And thats the reason why William Barr is Attorney General.
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Hugh Cherringcocke - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:40:15 EST etyO35AS No.174942 Reply
>>174935
Trump is guilty of many crimes. Collusion with Russia is not one of them. There's a reason no evidence has ever been presented, and it's not because it's all being hidden.
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Frederick Geddlestud - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 14:16:51 EST /MwhWfsN No.174948 Reply
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>>174942

The Mueller report was investigating more than just collusion with Russia. And personally I think he colluded and got away with it, the Mueller investigation just couldn't prove it in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt. I've cited why I think so throughout this thread.

If they were investigating collusion with Israel(which they can't, because Israel largely dictates American policy) however, they would of had a goldmine of evidence.
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Jarvis Churringpine - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 15:53:07 EST YzHGXqax No.174950 Reply
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>>174948
>The Mueller report was investigating more than just collusion with Russia.
Coulda fooled me based on the rhetoric for the past two years, including on this board.

Imagine if the time spent on "more than" had been even half of what was spent screaming about treason, and pseudo-phrenological musings on the Russian genetic predisposition to do evil, and fantasies about starting WWIII, and plot points from a bottom-tier Tom Clancy novel.

After years of insisting that everything comes down to Russia Russia Russia with almost no room for anything else, it's very disingenuous to suddenly pretend that it was about ethics in obstruction journalism all along.
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Nicholas Pickwill - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 15:58:04 EST OEiQQEaq No.174951 Reply
>>174950
"Sure, they may have found a bunch of other shit that no one else gets a pass for, but they didn't find anything for Russia, so who gives a shit?"

I give a shit. Figured all along they would find more shit outside of the Russia investigation that was much more damning than any sort of backroom meetings and lying on disclosure forms.
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Rebecca Cregglefield - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 16:51:07 EST tlilhxRg No.174953 Reply
>>174950
Maybe you should start pay attention to actual news agencies that report semi-objective on America.

You know, just about every news agency not based in the USA, Russia or China.
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Nicholas Hillytuck - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 16:58:25 EST v6Bi6ugp No.174954 Reply
>>174950
It's Rachel maddow guy back with his ice cold takes.

You're like the idiots on woo who claim to hate WWE, yet do nothing but watch it and complain about it.
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Jenny Cucklebanks - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 17:31:31 EST +8irr0Qf No.174955 Reply
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>>174951
This is what you get for abandoning conspiracy culture to the poltards btw. You know I just checked lastnight and was disgusted to find every single one of them is now filled with nothing but a bunch of filthy useful idiot NWO shills--and Tr*mp is obviously NWO btw--bitching about stupid shit like immigration, when the conversation should be on the fact that we all warned you repeatedly about FEMA camps and martial law. Now we have a president who has put a bunch of people including children into these immigrant child rape concentration camps and who's invoked national emergency articles to fund his stupid wall. You go on GLP (which is probably Tavistock btw), ATS, all these nice old places and it's filled to the brim with these faggots.

What they don't seem to realize is that the conspiracy is inherently pro-Capitalist and right wing, and it always has been. Then they get useful idiots on the so-called "left" to applaud horrendous shit like arresting Assange and going after Wikileaks and trying to kick everybody who speaks against the party line from every corporate pro-military industrial complex media platform, because the internet is the one last thing they haven't totally controlled. poltards are just too fucking stupid to see that either, and the latte sipping PC liberal pro-corporate faggot is unwilling to admit that there's a deeper conspiracy of which Russia is only a part and of course these oligarchs are all protecting each other, from Brasilia to London to NYC to DC to Jerusalem to Moscow.
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Jarvis Churringpine - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 17:32:23 EST YzHGXqax No.174956 Reply
>>174953
>>174954
>criticizing something means you personally consume it
I know you guys are desperate to save face, but this is the most retarded faceplant of an attempt at a hot take I've seen yet.

You brain geniuses better not ever have anything negative to say about Fox News because if you do that means you're a Trumptard who watches too much Fox News, checkmate, I am very smart.
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Martha Clibblehire - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 17:38:48 EST RVou7alY No.174958 Reply
>>174954
lmao this is the suburban wine mom equivalent of "you guys are only telling me to go back to the future because you're the ones that spend too much time on the future"

weak ass shit, MSNBC sucks and you got played and you're mad that people say you get played foh and deal with it
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Frederick Geddlestud - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:00:12 EST /MwhWfsN No.174959 Reply
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>>174942

Regardless of whether or not you can PROVE Russian collusion, its obvious Trump's a Russian asset.

  1. The Russians interfered in the US election to get Trump elected. This is confirmed by the Office of the Directer of National Intelligence, the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, the DIA, the Department of State(Bureau of Intelligence and Research), Department of Homeland Security, Department of Treasury, the DEA, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, Air Force Intelligence-Surveillance-Reconnaissance, Army Military Intelligence, Office of Naval Intelligence, Marine Corp Intelligence, and National Guard Intelligence, alongside several foreign intelligence agencies.

2. Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton's emails on Live TV on July 27th 2016. Saying "Russia, if you're listening..." . On that day Russian intelligence hackers tried to attack Hillary's personal and campaign servers.

3. There were, according to the Moscow Project, “101 contacts between Trump’s team and Russia linked operatives,” and “the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them.” The most infamous of these contacts was the June 9, 2016, meeting at Trump Tower between the Trump campaign high command and a Kremlin emissary promising dirt on Clinton. Donald Trump Jr.’s reaction to the offer of Russian assistance? “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

4. The Trump campaign was full of individuals, such as Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates and Michael Flynn, with suspiciously close links to Moscow.

5. Manafort, who ran the Trump campaign for free and was heavily in debt to a Russian oligarch, now admits to offering his Russian business partner, who is suspected of links to Russian intelligence, polling data that could have been used to target the Russian social media campaign on behalf of Trump.

6. Trump associate Roger Stone, who was in contact with Russian conduit WikiLeaks, reportedly knew in advance that the Russians had hacked Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails. (Stone has denied it .)

7. Once in office, Trump fired Comey to stop the investigation of the “Russia thing” — and then bragged about having done so to the Russian ambassador and foreign minister while also sharing with them top-secret information. Later, Trump fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions because he would not end the special counsel investigation that resulted after the firing of Comey. As Lawfare editor Benjamin Wittes argues, “the obstruction was the collusion” — Trump has been effectively protecting the Russians by trying to impede the investigation of their attack on the United States.

Continued in next post...
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Frederick Geddlestud - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:13:12 EST /MwhWfsN No.174961 Reply
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>>174959

8. Trump has refused to consistently acknowledge that Russia interfered in the U.S. election or mobilize a government-wide effort to stop future interference. He has accepted Putin’s protestations that the Russians did not meddle in the election over the “high confidence” assessment of the U.S. intelligence community that they did.

9. Like no previous president, Trump attacks and undermines the Justice Department and the FBI (“a cancer in our country”) — two institutions that stand on the front lines of combatting Russian espionage and influence operations in the United States.

10. Again, like no previous president, Trump attacks and undermines the European Union and NATO — he has suggested that France should leave the E.U. and that the United States should leave NATO, reportedly saying, “NATO is as bad as NAFTA.” The E.U. and NATO are the two major obstacles to Russian designs in Europe.

11. Trump supports populist, pro-Russian leaders in Europe, such as Viktor Orban in Hungary and Marine Le Pen in France, just as the Russians do. (and does anyone here honestly think would Trump even know who these people are if Putin didn't tell him?)

12. Trump has praised Putin (“a strong leader”) while trashing just about everyone else from grade-B Hollywood celebrities to leaders of allied nations. Trump even praised Putin for expelling U.S. diplomats and, notwithstanding instruction from his aides (“DO NOT CONGRATULATE”), congratulated Putin on winning a rigged reelection.

13. Trump was utterly supine in his meetings with Putin, principally in Hamburg and Helsinki. Even more suspicious, according to a Post article on Saturday, Trump “has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with . . . Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials . . . Several officials said they were never able to get a reliable readout of the president’s two-hour meeting in Helsinki.”

14. Trump defends the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and repeats other pro-Russian talking points. (Again, would Trump even know the Russians invaded Afghanistan if Putin didn't tell him?)

15. Trump is pulling U.S. troops out of Syria, handing that country to Russia and its ally Iran.

16. Trump has effectively done nothing in response to the Russian attack on Ukrainian ships in international waters, thereby encouraging greater Russian aggression.

17. Trump is sowing chaos in the government, most recently with a record-breaking partial government shutdown and “acting” appointees in key posts such as the Defense Department and Justice Department, thus furthering a Russian objective of undermining its chief adversary.

18. After his financial disasters two decades ago, no U.S. bank would touch Trump. Then Russian money began flowing in. Basically confirmed by Trump's
idiot son.
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Jarvis Churringpine - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:16:37 EST YzHGXqax No.174962 Reply
>>174959
>The Russians interfered in the US election to get Trump elected.
Cambridge Analytica also interfered in the US election to get Trump elected.

Does that make Trump a British asset?

>This is confirmed by
Wrong.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/pageoneplus/corrections-june-29-2017.html
>A White House Memo article on Monday about President Trump’s deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year’s presidential election. The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.
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Jarvis Pandlebanks - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:23:15 EST NwZvIbcJ No.174963 Reply
>>174959
What do you think is more likely:
Russian intelligence agents have a policy of exposing their own operations by announcing their intentions on Live TV?

OR

Trump is an impulsive bigmouthed idiot who says whatever dumb inflammatory shit comes to mind if he thinks it will trigger his enemies?
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Jarvis Churringpine - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:39:24 EST YzHGXqax No.174964 Reply
>>174959
Okay, the rest of this post is circumstantial bullshit on the level of "Obama does business with a lot of Jews and is friends with a lot of Jews so therefore he's a Jewish asset" that you might see in a stormfront infographic, but I should address this one:

>Once in office, Trump fired Comey to stop the investigation of the “Russia thing”
Trump has fired like half the people that have worked for him so far. The fact that he fires so many people for petty shit that it's one of the long-running jokes about his shitshow of an administration. He got rid of Bannon because he was jealous of the attention he was getting. Firing people is literally his trademark catchphrase.

The fact that he fired someone who publicly criticized and opposed him does not require him to be a foreign "asset", it's entirely consistent with the thin-skinned powertripping childish behavior that made him famous to begin with.
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Frederick Geddlestud - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:42:16 EST /MwhWfsN No.174965 Reply
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>>174963

He seems to talk shit about every world leader except the ones Putin supports. Do you honestly think Trump would know who Viktor Orban and Marine Le Pen are if Putin didn't tell Trump to praise them?

This image is a few of the nonsensical demantia-ridden crap quotes he sprouted out in the past week alone. He doesn't even know what country is father was born in(he confused his father with his grandfather, a verifiable sign of diagnosing dementia). You expect him to be smart enough to know who all the Pro-Russia politicians in Europe are and give praise to them all? Without Putin telling him the names?
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Jarvis Churringpine - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:05:59 EST YzHGXqax No.174969 Reply
>>174961
>Trump has refused to consistently acknowledge
If Trump's political enemies told him the sky was blue he would refuse to acknowledge that too. You are confusing contrarian trolling with some 4D chess nonsense which coincidentally is exactly what Trumptards do.

Also, wouldn't a Russian asset be instructed to not say shit like that and keep it on the down low? Do you really think that international espionage works by telling everyone your plans as loudly as possible? Do you really think that?

>Trump attacks and undermines the Justice Department and the FBI (“a cancer in our country”)
Good. Fuck those people. Those two agencies have spent their entire existence waging the drug war, lying to the public, violating our privacy, weakening encryption, undermining labor and civil rights organizations, protecting big business, harassing and entrapping Muslim teenagers, assassinating black and indigenous leaders, enforcing white supremacy, maintaining imperialism, all while pointedly ignoring at best right-wing violent extremism.

>Trump supports populist, pro-Russian leaders in Europe, such as Viktor Orban in Hungary and Marine Le Pen in France, just as the Russians do.
So does Israel. Is Israel a Russian asset, too?

>Trump is pulling U.S. troops out of Syria, handing that country to Russia and its ally Iran.
>Trump has effectively done nothing in response to the Russian attack on Ukrainian ships in international waters
So not being enough of a warhawk bloodknight is a sign of treason, is it? What are you doing posting on 420chan, Dick Cheney?

The rest of this is some variation on "Trump is nice to people who are nice to him", which is just as much a sign of him being a venal simpleton as it is anything else. The most substantive thing that you have on this list is that Trump isn't respectful enough of the state apparatus that violently enforces white supremacy at home and abroad.

Which, you know, fuck off you white supremacist bootlicker. I'm not going to become a Slavophobic tinfoiler just because you get off on the idea of using the state to keep the darkies in line. You and Trump both can go choke on your white robes.
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Jarvis Pandlebanks - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:10:32 EST NwZvIbcJ No.174970 Reply
>>174965
>He seems to talk shit about every world leader except the far-right proto-fascists.
Fixed that for you.

It's interesting how you're trying to use fear of foreigners to distract from a pattern of creeping fascism. Did you learn this technique from your heroes at the FBI?
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Frederick Geddlestud - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:16:07 EST /MwhWfsN No.174971 Reply
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>>174969

What? I'm down with black people.

I hate the FBI and CIA too, just not for the same reasons Trump probably does. Do you think Trump cares about the drug war tyranny and the CIA protecting big business and assassinating black leaders etc?
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Jarvis Churringpine - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:34:04 EST YzHGXqax No.174973 Reply
>>174971
>Do you think Trump cares about the drug war tyranny and the CIA protecting big business and assassinating black leaders etc?
No, but the fact that so much of your objection to him revolves around protecting the honor of precisely those things is telling. It suggests that you think being nice to Russians is a worse crime than all of those things put together plus what we did in Syria. It demonstrates, conclusively, that you're willing to ally with them and protect their hold on power - and thus their ability to immiserate the lives of poor and marginalized people everywhere - as long as you can indulge your ethnic hatred of the Eurasian.

It means that your jingoism and ethnonationalism is more important to you than the material suffering of the people around you. You're only "down" with black and brown people up until the point where being "down" with their institutional oppressors is more useful for your own short-term political interests.

Fuck off back to the Heritage Foundation you fucking worm.
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Jarvis Churringpine - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:40:34 EST YzHGXqax No.174974 Reply
>>174973
Actually, I should clarify:
>up until the point where being "down" with their institutional oppressors is more useful for your own short-term political interests.
This wasn't even useful. Russiagate isn't going to make him go away. You should have known this from the beginning, but now you have no excuse. You know, perfectly well, that stanning for the imperial war state is not going to magically fix everything. You know this.

And yet you're still doing it.

That's how little the lives of the oppressed mean to you, Spooky. Even when you are getting literally nothing out of it, you're still willing to embrace the slave-driver and call him your friend. Just to make yourself feel better.

Trump at least has the excuse of being too stupid to have empathy. You're just a fucking lizard.
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Frederick Geddlestud - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:44:19 EST /MwhWfsN No.174975 Reply
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdkQlQrSRQ4
According to Fire and Fury, he really does watch multiple TVs at the same time.

>>174969

Pulling out of Syria is good for us all, please don't call me "Dick Cheney". but it wasn't done out of the kindness of his heart. I'm not saying it was bad, just that I think he did it to please Putin.

And again, I hate the CIA more than you I bet. They were one conspirator group(among many, oil billionaires etc) who were involved in the JFK assassination, because he wanted to warn us about how dangerous they are and shut them down permanently.
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Frederick Geddlestud - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:53:12 EST /MwhWfsN No.174976 Reply
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>>174973
>>174974

I didn't even mean to imply that him being a Russian asset is a bad thing really I suppose. I don't have a problem with Eurasians at all. I did however hope the Mueller Report would show that he was, because it would disgrace the man and harm is ego in the eyes of the normies whose affection he's addicted to.
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Simon Honningville - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:03:29 EST YzHGXqax No.174977 Reply
>>174975
>but it wasn't done out of the kindness of his heart. I'm not saying it was bad, just that I think he did it to please Putin
Or he did it because he campaigned specifically on ending the wars and how he was less hawkish than Clinton. And it was one of his most popular campaign promises and a big (unearned) advantage for him going into the election. He did it to please his base, and because not having to think too much about other countries is easier on his brain.

That is a much simpler explanation than anything involving an international conspiracy.

When Obama was pushing the Iran deal, Republicans and Israel hawks said that he was doing it not out of the kindness of his heart but as part of a larger conspiracy where he was a secret Muslim terrorist sympathizer Manchurian candidate working to undermine US interests on behalf of radical Islam.

Did you believe that explanation then? And if not, why?
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Simon Honningville - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:13:58 EST YzHGXqax No.174978 Reply
>>174976
>I did however hope the Mueller Report would show that he was, because it would disgrace the man and harm is ego in the eyes of the normies whose affection he's addicted to
Okay but half your "evidence" is all the times that he trolled his political opponents by blurting out how much he like Putin and Russia. The guy probably hasn't felt disgrace for a single thing he's ever done in his life, and the normies who support him will follow him to the ends of the earth. The Republican base has flipped from reflexive Cold War-era hatred of Russia to openly supporting Russia on a dime, just to support their Big Wet Boy and trigger the libs; you yourself posted a photo illustrating as much.

Out of all the things this shameless man could feel shame for, out of all the awful things he's done and been exposed for, why would you think this would be the one thing that would grow his heart three sizes?

You really though that just because CNN and John McCain would feel shame for being too nice to foreigners, that he or his base would too? Those freaks represent nobody but themselves.
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Eugene Mimblehatch - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:29:14 EST /MwhWfsN No.174979 Reply
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>>174977

>He pulled out of Syria to keep a campaign promise

Than why not pull out of all our pointless wars? Everybody would love him for it. Why just this particular war that helps Russia now? And ripping up the Iran Deal just brings us closer to war.

I think he was groomed as a Russian asset because of his massive ego, greed, ability to lie + cheat + steal without remorse, and possibly sexual proclivities. Traits intelligence agencies look for in potential assets for their countries. For example they can expose he was a business failure who needed money from the Russian mob(the Russian mob and government are very intertwined) to stay afloat.

Just a massive shitstorm of stupid for no reason? I don't know. Perhaps this level of stupid is engineered, war with Iran is on the table, Putin's trying to pit us against each other. This powder keg is just waiting to go off but instead of rational adults who want to avoid the horrors of war we have no reason to be in, we have a bunch of stupid hawks with the finger on the trigger of the US military just itching to use it.

Maybe John Bolton and Mike Pompeo are at the head of the US government telling Trump to go to war because Putin told Trump to put them there.
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Eugene Mimblehatch - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:41:27 EST /MwhWfsN No.174980 Reply
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>>174978

I know many(but not 100% still) of his supporters wouldn't give a shit if he did, but anytime he looks even remotely bad he has a MAJOR freak out behind the scenes. In fact everyone in the White House is terrified of these outrageous anger issues according to Fire and Fury. This would piss him off, and I like that. He tweeted the words "Witch Hunt" literally over 100 times, it would really get under his skin if the public knew he lied in all of those 100+ tweets.

I look forward to the many 10+ part documentaries in 10 years showing how corrupt + obnoxious + unstable + etc he was. If collusion with Russia was proven beyond a reasonable doubt, it would just be more ammunition for the documentary makers. I want history to remember him as mercilessly as possible.
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Jarvis Crigglenire - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:41:38 EST dlSl21tQ No.174981 Reply
It's sad watching my dad get super pumped thinking Trump is going down tomorrow.

"It's goin down tomorrow!"
"You've got more faith than I do."
"Oh yeah, I've been watching this shit my whole life."

The last part is the worst because he acts like I don't know shit, while his panties are soaked at the possibility of him getting impeached due to what is likely circumstantial evidence of collusion. The obstruction evidence is probably straight forward though.
...

This guy actually thinks the sitting president will get taken down. A lot of shit has changed since Nixon resigned. Trump is fairly well insulated and the president has a lot more power than they did back then. Whatever comes up in the probe could be enough to prove guilt, but I think the best case scenario is that Trump doesn't get re-elected and this shit will drag out forever and Trump will get charged long after he has left office and when people won't have to worry about repercussions due to charging the president with crimes.
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Jarvis Crigglenire - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:43:41 EST dlSl21tQ No.174982 Reply
>>174980
It was hilarious watching the news report on how Trump was "distant" when he found out that the democrats won the house in the midterms last year. They knew that it was because he was gonna get some charges levied at him when they take their seats, and it was just funny watching them report on him acting funny the same day as the midterm results came in, and acting like they don't know what it was all about.
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Simon Honningville - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:52:03 EST YzHGXqax No.174983 Reply
>>174979
>Than why not pull out of all our pointless wars?
Part of it is because he's an inconsistent moron who never had any real intention of following through on any of his campaign promises and probably needs to be constantly reminded what countries we're even fighting in.

The other part is your heroes in the war machine have spent the past two years working overtime to convince him to stay, and oftentimes just outright contradicting him in public and refusing to do what he says. They're probably not going out of the way to remind him how many conflicts we're involved in. The corporate media was actually praising this and made people like Mattis heroes for being "the adults in the room" by protecting the Forever Wars from the Russian badman.

>Why just this particular war that helps Russia now?
I don't understand, he's not backing away from trying to destroy Russia's ally in Venezuela and is still threatening war on them.

Oh, wait, that's right. You meant the other Russia ally.

Because there are more than one. Russia has more than one ally.

For fuck's sake.

>Just a massive shitstorm of stupid for no reason? I don't know.
This is literally why tinfoil theories start. This is the thought process.

9/11 couldn't have just happened, man. Our government can't be that corrupt and incompetent. Our leaders can't be that stupid and shortsighted. We can't be that vulnerable. We didn't do anything to deserve it. We're good people, we're smart people. Life can't be that chaotic and unfair and unpredictable, that's scary. Someone is in charge. Somebody has to be in charge. Even if it's someone I hate, there has to be someone in charge. God will protect us.

Replace it with JFK, or the financial collapse, or anything else that's too big and scary to process. Just a massive shitstorm of stupid for no reason? No. It was the (((Other))) that did this.
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Eugene Mimblehatch - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:56:15 EST /MwhWfsN No.174984 Reply
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>>174980

Edit: I look forward to seeing the future documentary series if I don't OD on smack before they come out in 10ish years
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Simon Honningville - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 21:03:12 EST YzHGXqax No.174985 Reply
>>174980
>I know many(but not 100% still) of his supporters wouldn't give a shit if he did, but anytime he looks even remotely bad he has a MAJOR freak out behind the scenes. In fact everyone in the White House is terrified of these outrageous anger issues according to Fire and Fury. This would piss him off, and I like that. He tweeted the words "Witch Hunt" literally over 100 times, it would really get under his skin if the public knew he lied in all of those 100+ tweets.
So all this was just to trigger him?

Wasting all that time, distracting from more pressing issues, spreading so much misinformation, destroying the legitimacy of the press, increasing tensions with a nuclear power, handing him a campaign trail talking point, indulging in bigotry and McCarthyism, sowing division and infighting within the left, driving yourself crazy with paranoia?

All that was just to trigger him?

Maybe you have more in common with Trumptards than you care to admit. Keep going down this path unexamined and you're gonna be a Facebook-trolling QAnon nutcase just like them in no time.
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Sophie Challylot - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 21:11:55 EST JoouyJ9Q No.174986 Reply
What exactly is the point of all this arguing, when it can be agreed upon that Trump is a retard who has no business being President, regardless of whether or not he was just a useful idiot for Russia or a legit Russian agent?
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Eugene Mimblehatch - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 21:20:38 EST /MwhWfsN No.174987 Reply
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>>174983

You said he pulled out of Syria to fulfill a campaign promise(and I said he did it for Putin), now you're saying he has no intention of keeping his pullout campaign promises.

This Venezuela thing may seem like an anomaly to what I'm getting out, but I think its because they stopped accepting US dollars for oil. Whenever an Oil Rich nation stop accepting US dollars for oil, they get in large part destabilized and their leader murdered. Iraq. Libya. Venezuela is next?

>Your heroes in the war machine

I don't have heroes in the war machine, I already said I hate them, fuck the military industrial complex, fuck Dick Cheney and his companies, fuck the US intelligence agencies, and fuck the military.
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Eugene Mimblehatch - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 21:30:36 EST /MwhWfsN No.174988 Reply
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>>174985

The Special Counsel wasn't trying to expose his corruption to "trigger him", its their job to investigate obstruction/corruption/financial crimes/collusion/etc. They wanted him out of power if he broke the law, or at least get less people to vote for him next time by revealing his crimes. That's their job as law enforcement. He's one of the biggest criminals in American history. They're just supposed to do nothing?

I'm not naive enough to think it will work out well enough to get him impeached, but you might as well try. I would like charges pressed, but if we can't even get that much, a massive stain on his legacy is better than nothing.
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Simon Honningville - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 21:41:31 EST YzHGXqax No.174989 Reply
>>174987
>You said he pulled out of Syria to fulfill a campaign promise(and I said he did it for Putin), now you're saying he has no intention of keeping his pullout campaign promises.
Yeah, it's almost like he's an inconsistent senile moron who acts on impulse, can't commit to anything long term, and is famously known for just agreeing with the last person to speak to him.

Obama also campaigned to end the wars (to the left of Hillary Clinton, interestingly), drew down the troop presence in Iraq (over the complaints of his enemies, who accused him of giving it away to his Muslim masters), and then turned right to around to destroy Libya and Syria over the complaints of his base. And Obama was way the hell more lucid and predictable than Trump is.

Maybe American politicians are generally untrustworthy and duplicitous, and maybe the American war machine is so vast and persistent that even the mildest token gestures at peace are met with a surge of hawkish reaction that resets the needle back to endless war. And maybe your problem with Trump is that he's too incompetent to keep the mask on and you're finally noticing a systemic problem with the system as a whole.

>This Venezuela thing may seem like an anomaly to what I'm getting out, but I think its because they stopped accepting US dollars for oil. Whenever an Oil Rich nation stop accepting US dollars for oil, they get in large part destabilized and their leader murdered. Iraq. Libya. Venezuela is next?
Okay, yeah. That sounds exactly right and has been pretty much the status quo for decades.

Now ask yourself, why would Russia invest so heavily in an "asset" to just going to continue the status quo of breaking Russian allies for the benefit of US oil? How does that make any sense?
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Simon Honningville - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 21:44:06 EST YzHGXqax No.174990 Reply
>>174988
>The Special Counsel wasn't trying to expose his corruption to "trigger him"
I wasn't asking the Special Counsel, I was asking you. You're the one who said your overriding concern here was not to change his supporter's minds but to "piss him off" and "get under his skin" and cause "a MAJOR freakout".

So I'm asking you, not the Special Counsel. Was the only reason you played along with this circus really just to trigger him?
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Eugene Mimblehatch - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:10:23 EST /MwhWfsN No.174992 Reply
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>>174989

Well Russia can't get EVERYTHING they want, but they still a lot. Nobody can stop US oil greed.
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Eugene Mimblehatch - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:19:07 EST /MwhWfsN No.174993 Reply
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>>174990

Why don't you want to see his reputation weakened anyway? Its better than nothing.

He's American history's biggest embarrassment. The more praise he gets, the more pathetic America looks in the eyes of the world.

I understand all presidents since JFK are crooked as hell, but come on, we can't keep enabling him. This one's different.
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Augustus Pemmerdock - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 13:50:12 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175001 Reply
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LMAO. Julian Assange thought a Trump administration would be reined in by the media and the Democrats. What an absolute fucking moron. How'd that work out for you, Julian?
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Eugene Mimblehatch - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:11:22 EST /MwhWfsN No.175002 Reply
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>>175001

How was he supposed to know shit would get this bad? He gambled. He played the game and he lost.
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Sophie Challylot - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:14:02 EST JoouyJ9Q No.175003 Reply
>>175002
>How was he supposed to know shit would get this bad?
>How was he supposed to know that Donald Trump as President of the US would be a an absolute fucking disaster
Gee, I don't know?
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Jarvis Crigglenire - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:35:30 EST dlSl21tQ No.175004 Reply
>>175002
Trump's character is pretty transparent. His gambling is unforgiveable when it gave us this shitshow that we're gonna be recovering from for a while. Don't give him a cop out.
I love what he's done for transparency, but taking a stance like that loses you a lot of credibility.
I don't think he was actually that dumb, I think he just wanted to hurt the American system, and he did so good job.
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Eugene Mimblehatch - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 17:10:42 EST /MwhWfsN No.175005 Reply
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>>175004
>>175003

Assange knew Trump was a huge fucking asshole with several mental disabilities. What he did not know was that everyone would worship him like a living God. Could he really of predicted that America was weak enough to let things go on like this for so long? Or at all? I mean no other president could of gotten away with this lunacy, he probably thought Trump would be held to the same standards by the country/world as the previous American presidents were. If you told me Obama did 1/20th of the things Trump does, I would know he could not of get away with it. People would naturally hold him in check. That's how it was before the last election. How was he supposed to know there'd suddenly be zero standards at all after the 2016 election?

Its was an unpredictable phenomenon.
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Molly Clegglemutch - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 17:40:53 EST +8irr0Qf No.175006 Reply
>>175005
The problem is everyone has been betting on competence. It was Trump's "competence" or rather that of the people around him that surprised me. I was betting on him acconplishjng absolutely fuckall if he won. Never, ever underestimate how stupid and gullible people are. Never bet against their inherent cowardice, selfishness, weakness, and stupidity. Do not ever assume everyone is a rational actor. This is also why the state dept was such a bunch of fuckups in dealing with ISIS for so long. You simply cannot assume everyone is a logical, rational actor working towards their best interests. The majority of people are cowards and cretins, and it takes little for a sociopath of low cunning to capitalize on that fact.
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Eugene Mimblehatch - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 17:54:11 EST /MwhWfsN No.175008 Reply
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>>175006

The fact that he can get away with dozens of scandals is unique I meant. It used to be it only took one scandal to bring down a president. One of Trump's tweets from any other president would probably ruin said president's reputation. Assange didn't count on Trump somehow getting "diplomatic immunity".
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Sophie Challylot - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:02:25 EST JoouyJ9Q No.175009 Reply
>>175005
>Could he really of predicted that America was weak enough to let things go on like this for so long?
The phrase "Cukservatives" wasn't coined just for laughs. The GOP was so desperate to find someone, anyone that had a shot at getting into the White House that them bending over for the orange dipshit shouldn't be a shock.
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Simon Honningville - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:10:31 EST YzHGXqax No.175010 Reply
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>>175004
>His gambling is unforgiveable when it gave us this shitshow that we're gonna be recovering from for a while.
Yeah, he makes a great scapegoat for America's failings, don't he?

The only reason Trump has gotten away with doing all this damage is because American culture is so stupid and toxic, and the "opposition" is so corrupt and conciliatory. Americans wouldn't have to recover from anything if we didn't love grifters so much, or worship the rich so much, or were so racist that voting for Trump actually seemed like a good idea to so many. Or maybe if we didn't have a culture of anti-intellectualism and a terrible education system his grift wouldn't have worked, and there wouldn't be so many uneducated dummies willing to fall for fascistic promises. Perhaps if American culture hadn't always been authoritarian and cartoonishly racist since the first days of the continent wide genocide campaign we call a country. Maybe if belligerence and violence weren't exhalted in the culture above all else his numbskull tough guy act wouldn't have gotten him this far.

If the corporate press and the liberal leadership had actually addressed the rot at the center of American capitalism instead of conceding to it at every turn, things wouldn't gotten bad enough for him to win. Or at the very least, maybe they didn't have to give him billions of dollars worth of free, wall-to-wall coverage that carried his idiot ass all the way to the White House. If they actually did what they're supposed to do instead of whoring themselves out for big business and the war machine all the time, they could have provided the reigns that Assange was supposedly expecting. CNN chose to #resist Trump by recently hiring on Jeff Session's former assistant, a hard right partisan that swore loyalty to Trump, to run their election coverage. Did Assange make them do that, or Russia for that matter?

If Democrats hadn't sat on their asses and watched the country hollow itself out into an outsourced howling snake pit of debt and fentanyl overdoses in exchange for Blue Dog lobbybux, he wouldn't have won in the first place. If they hadn't backstabbed Bernie, he wouldn't have won. Now that he's in, maybe they could have done a better job of resisting him, instead of agreeing with half the things he does and constantly salivating for "bipartisanship". Maybe Pelosi could have tried impeaching him already instead of focusing her efforts on trying to get critics of Israel lynched, or trying to sabotage and silence young populist voices from the left that could help form a grassroots popular resistance. Was is Assange's fault that the "opposition" party in this country seems to be more interested in #resisting their own base than in meaningfully #resisting Trump?

Was it his "gambling" that made Obama let the bankers get off scot free? Or that let Cambridge Analytica get away victoriously? Or that made the FBI ignore festering neo-fascist movements and ongoing white supremacist terrorism, to instead focus on fucking with minorities? Or that gave Israel and Saudi Arabia so much influence over the levers of power in this country? Or the Evangelical gun-nut national death cult that encourages us to run headfirst into fascist rhetoric? Did he force everyone to go bananas and make Putin-kissing-Trump memes for the past two years instead of addressing the rot??

No, that was all America's fault. If Assange has any fault here at best it's that he gave us the rope with which to hang ourselves; at worst his fault was believing that Americans were anything better than what we've always shown ourselves to be.
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Sophie Challylot - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:41:05 EST JoouyJ9Q No.175011 Reply
>>175010
Great rant, but this doesn't mean that Assange isn't still a fuck up.
Yes, the US has a shitty culture & the people are fucking retarded. Assange is also a fucking retard for thinking that Trump winning wouldn't have lead to this shit when Dems being spineless & the media being garbage has been a problem for YEARS. Someone like the orange dipshit winning & not having anyone to really keep his worse qualities in check was a situation that has been set-up for a long ass time now.
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Augustus Pemmerdock - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:46:12 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175012 Reply
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>>175002
People didn't realize that Hillary was as awful as we all knew her to be. Her awfulness was one hundred percent transparent. She didn't back peddle on Libya. She didn't pretend she wasn't going to kowtow to the neocon deep state. Trump fooled a fuck ton of people that way, and will go down in history as a testament to how easy it is for outright con men to become successful even in competition with shrewd manipulators of state power.

Nowadays Trump's supporters have to invent a whole imaginary universe, with shit like QAnon, jumping through mental hoops in order to "defend are president" against an imagined deep state - ignoring that the real deep state in the CIA has completely taken over Trump's administration and is using it to advance its own agenda against the will of the public. The misadventures of the CIA in Cuba, for example, are escalating once again, enabled by a weak president who thinks the aging Gusanos in Miami will usher him to a 2020 victory if he prostrates to the CIA. The renewal of State Department anti-communism under the rule of former CIA director Pompeo shows to everyone whose brain hasn't been fried by exposure to conservative media that the deep state is in firm control and is exploiting the weakness of the chief executive to get its way.

Truly, it is the Trump wing of the GOP that are the cluckservatives, as they have completely abandoned the non-interventionist stance that characterized Trump's 2016 campaign, in favor of the disastrous foreign policy of the Bush era, advanced even by Bush era political figures. What the conservatives wanted was, in fact, another Bush presidency, but they didn't want Bush's "compassionate" conservatism. Today's conservatism is characterized by Punisher skulls, by an impulse toward vigilanteism (mirrored in this decade's domination by superhero movies, a genre based on positive portrayals of vigilanteism), and toward renewed racist suspicions.

Julian Assange tried to shake the devil's hand, and he fucked himself, as people tend to when they do such things. The far right is opportunistic and craves authoritarianism. Anyone who tries to work with them to their own profit is going to get burned.
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Cyril Coffingbore - Fri, 19 Apr 2019 17:10:28 EST +8irr0Qf No.175043 Reply
>>175012
They didn't "abandon" fucking anything. You were all stupid enough to believe a pathological liar who's been a pillar of the establishment since forever. He comes from inherited wealth. He's an oligarch from New York City born with a silver spoon stuck up his ass, and so much narcissistic arrogance and psychopathy that he doesn't even put any effort into pretending to be a remotely decent person like the other scumbags do. On top of it all he's been a Zionist and Wahhabist dick sucker since forever. Again, the only people who didn't know any of this ahead of time are rightards because they're legitimately too fucking stupid to see that they got rused by the most obvious conman in history and too full of their own pride to admit they got cheated and were wrong from the start so they have to invent a whole bunch of fictitious bullshit about how "Trump is caving to the swamp." HE IS LITERALLY THE SWAMP. HIS WHOLE FAMILY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF THE SWAMP JUST LIKE THE BUSHES AND NOW CLINTONS.
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Angus Fushfire - Fri, 19 Apr 2019 18:48:25 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175047 Reply
>>175039
The deep state is real, the conservatives just see phantasms of it. The CIA has taken over Trump's administration and you'd have to be blind not to see that at this point.
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Cyril Coffingbore - Fri, 19 Apr 2019 19:02:09 EST +8irr0Qf No.175049 Reply
>>175047
>every moronic evil thing Trump does is the CIA's fault not his
If anything the CIA, evil though they are as well, are probably one of the forces stopping this fat fucking idiot from doing way worse evil shit. What he would do is sell atom bombs to Saudi Arabia and Japan and then drop nuclear weapons on Caracas and Tehran while calling Kim Jong Un a pretty cool guy and saying we shouldn't worry about them. Trump is a complete disaster who's pure self serving evil. Again the only reason this surprises his cocksucker followers is they haven't been listening to what he's actually been saying and reading between the lines or using any damn common sense. We're talking about a group of people so fucking stupid they thought a NYC billionaire oligarch was going to fight for poor farmers and against deep interests like Israel and Saudi Arabia, a group of people sincerely so fucking stupid they actually thought this guy was going to be a pacifist president. It was clear from day 1 that this guy was going to be an impulsively violent warmonger the moment he got the chance. You will notice he's only grown more violent and erratic as he's had fewer experienced advisers like Kelly and Mathis leaving.
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Angus Fushfire - Fri, 19 Apr 2019 19:11:43 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175050 Reply
>>175049
It's the CIA that wants a war in Iran and Venezuela. They're the ones pushing for it. They aren't restraining the President, the President is weak and susceptible to manipulation from everyone around him. I'm not trying to pass the buck here, the problem is Trump, but it's not just Trump, and making it about Trump in particular takes away from the fact that we have a rotten system of government that needs to be transformed at a basic level (like the Founding Fathers would have argued needs to be done, especially ones like Jefferson who were wary of powerful executives like a President).
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Angus Croddlefedge - Fri, 19 Apr 2019 19:43:14 EST 8pt/AtPX No.175051 Reply
>>175050
>especially ones like Jefferson who were wary of powerful executives like a President).

So wary he became one. Forgive me if I dont take much seriously the ramblings of freedom from a man who kept slaves.
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Alice Pockfoot - Fri, 19 Apr 2019 21:12:47 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175055 Reply
>>175051
Jefferson ultimately supported the Constitution but he was skeptical of its long-term value. Most of the Founding Fathers believed that the law should be given by the people and revised and abolished when necessary. At this point I think the Founding Fathers would support us getting rid of the office of President altogether, since that office has had its powers expanded further and further, and since actual democratic practice in choosing the president is highly limited.
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Barnaby Sedgeshaw - Fri, 19 Apr 2019 21:24:15 EST YzHGXqax No.175056 Reply
>>175055
It doesn't fucking matter what those opium-addled child-raping slaver trust fund kids thought.

Fuck the Constitution, burn it and start over.
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George Tillinglock - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 00:24:21 EST +8irr0Qf No.175066 Reply
>>175056
Not sure if serious or just retarded 14 year old...
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Augustus Sillerbury - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 12:38:59 EST /MwhWfsN No.175078 Reply
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There's some crazy shit in the Mueller Report(even though it wasn't heavily redacted). Its now public knowledge that the first thing Trump immediately did when he found out he was Robert Mueller was appointed was to fall back in his chair and say "I'm fucked. This is the end of my presidency.". A pretty substantial statement considering he's only been in office for less than 5 months. He obviously had a lifetime of crimes he was terrified they'd find out about.

2nd is Sarah Huckabee Sanders admitted she was lying when she said several FBI agents came to them saying "we don't have any faith in James Comey whatsoever.". She admitted that nobody actually said that to the special prosecutor because nobody actually said it.

There are 10 instances of obstruction of justice in the underacted report alone, and the only reason he was not indicted was because Mueller thought it would interfere with his ability to govern. Wtf why not?

Major interference by Russia in the form of Russia with social media campaigns, disinformation campaigns, propaganda campaigns that took place in the 2016 election. Something that needs to be addressed before the 2020 election.

Trump Jr and Jared Kushner actually tried to collude, during that Trump Tower meeting, they only failed because they didn't get the information that they thought.

A lot of officials misled and lied to Robert Mueller.

Trump and Cohen lied to the public about the Trump Tower Moscow project, which was going on well into the campaign. It could of easily been used as leverage against Donald Trump

They were calling for the media to apologize all this time, now I guess its time we call for them to apologize.
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Augustus Sillerbury - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 12:45:53 EST /MwhWfsN No.175079 Reply
Big Typo. Meant to say it was heavily redacted.
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Barnaby Sedgeshaw - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 13:13:52 EST YzHGXqax No.175080 Reply
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>>175066
Oh no, god forbid the FEMA camp/Deus Vult dipshit doesn't like my opinion on the timelessness of the opinions of the Slavery and Manifest Destiny Bois.
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George Tillinglock - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 13:19:53 EST +8irr0Qf No.175081 Reply
>>175080
Yeah fuck having rights and shit. Honestly suck my dick you fuckong dumbass. Saying fuck the Constitution is such an extremist statement I would actually vote for a Republican over any Democrat saying it. Same goes for anyone calling the Bill of Rights antiquated. Because the best thing to do about some men owning slaves and saying people have at least these rights, is to say no fuck that you're wrong we dont have these rights either.
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Augustus Sillerbury - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 13:28:13 EST /MwhWfsN No.175082 Reply
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He doesn't even know what country his father was born in. He said 3 times in a recent speech that his father was born in Germany. Fred Trump was born in New York. His grandfather was born in Germany though. Thats who he was thinking of when he said his father 3 times. He was mixing up information across generations, something people with dementia often do.

I'm tired of people and psychologists saying Trump has pre-dementia, no, he has dementia, the only question is what stage?

In fact people around him are afraid to correct him on his delusions. Because if you even try to, hes quick to violence. Theyre all terrified of him so they just play along.

He probably doesn't even remember lying about wiki leaks in the first place. He might not even know what wiki leaks is anymore. Between his dementia and his personality disorders he lives in his own fucking reality.
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Barnaby Sedgeshaw - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 13:36:06 EST YzHGXqax No.175084 Reply
>>175081
>Yeah fuck having rights and shit.
I hope everyone living in not-Burgerland takes note of what our schizos think the rest of the world is like.

Our dumbest citizens literally think everyone else on the planet has no rights. And these people vote.
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George Tillinglock - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 13:44:37 EST +8irr0Qf No.175087 Reply
>>175084
Those are rights enumerated in our Constitution and Bill of Rights that if you lived here youd be fucking terrified of anyone saying we don't need that anymore. This is particularly disgusting and horrifying when people are blatantly trying to attack the Constitution to remove one of the specifically enumerated rights. The continual attacks on things like this are a major reason why I despise that orange despot so much. And if you're not an American then your opinion on the Constitution is completely irrelevant. This is the one basic document that guarantees many of our rights, and that the people who hate us having rights have spent centuries trying to undermine or chip away at. So yeah. If you want to discard the Constitution or the Bill of Rights you're literally my enemy. I don't give a fuck the side you think youre fighting on. I don't give a fuck if you call yourself a patriot while following cheetohs in his attempts to suspend liberty and rule of law. I don't give a fuck how woke you are. You're more my enemy than any domestic terrorist if you think shredding our last safeguards against the American police state and military-industrial complex is a great idea.
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Barnaby Sedgeshaw - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 13:49:00 EST YzHGXqax No.175089 Reply
>>175087
>And if you're not an American then your opinion on the Constitution is completely irrelevant.
Shut it down, folks, one of our Alex Jones afficionados has declared that you're not allowed to comment on the government of the most powerful and influential world power in existence.

95% of the world btfo, apparently.

>If you want to discard the Constitution or the Bill of Rights you're literally my enemy.
Come at me, frog boy.
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Betsy Chobberbanks - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 13:53:54 EST T1mye+oX No.175093 Reply
>>175081
>if your government wasn't founded by pedophile slave owners who thought Indians were subhumans and thought the Electoral College was a good idea, then you have no rights
>literally no other way for rights to exist, no other people in world history were able to enumerate rights before or after 1787
>the definition of "rights" is "that document what says 3/5ths of a person"
Yeah, no, that's not how it works, fatties.
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George Tillinglock - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 14:02:57 EST +8irr0Qf No.175095 Reply
>>175089
I don't even like Alex Jones. I've never actually listened to him. Has it seriously not occurred to you that this is a widely held sentiment among Americans? We have one the oldest uninterrupted governments on earth. It works. And if you look around at the police state we've been descending into theres a reason for so much added hostility in addition to our normal hostility towards anyone telling us we don't need articles of government that guarantee the rights we have left. This isnt difficult to understand. And correct me if I'm wrong but isnt the EU bill of human rights effectively modelled after our system?
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Alice Pockfoot - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 14:09:22 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175096 Reply
>>175081
Literally everyone who wrote the Constitution treated it as a compromise solution, the Bill of Rights itself was tacked on to make anti-Constitutionalists like Jefferson happy and willing to give it needed support. None of the Founding Fathers believed that the Constitution was handed down by God or by Eternal Wisdom or whatever the fuck. They were all convinced that it would need changes as society developed, which is why they introduced the amendment process, which has allowed us to change the Constitution multiple times (e.g., to directly elect senators, which was a more major change to democratic functioning in America than the abolition of the electoral college would be).

The Constitution wasn't written by God. It was written by secular deists in 1789, all of whom acknowledged its myriad imperfections. No one is saying that the Bill of Rights should be shredded, what we're saying is that we need to recognize our autonomy and give ourselves our own laws in accordance with our present circumstances. That would include, perhaps, an expanded Bill of Rights.

Read the Federalist papers and the Anti-Federalist papers too. The Founding Fathers weren't modern day conservatives. They were the opposite.
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Barnaby Sedgeshaw - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 14:10:51 EST YzHGXqax No.175097 Reply
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>>175095
>Has it seriously not occurred to you that this is a widely held sentiment among Americans?
Yeah, so is believing angels are real.

>It works.
>And if you look around at the police state we've been descending into
Maybe the disagreement here is that you think a descent into police state is your definition of "working".

Maybe try to wrap your brain around the idea that not everyone on earth believes in you.

And just to be sure, you still believe that everyone else on earth has literally no rights, or have you reconsidered how dumb that sounds?

pic related but outdated because the constiution is so perfect and unassailable.
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Betsy Chobberbanks - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 14:14:16 EST T1mye+oX No.175098 Reply
>>175095
>Has it seriously not occurred to you that this is a widely held sentiment among Americans?
All the more reason to assume that it's an outdated, irrational, bigoted garbage document for garbage people who are too uneducated and lead poisoned to know any better.
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Augustus Sillerbury - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 14:18:45 EST /MwhWfsN No.175100 Reply
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>>175078
>>175079

I can't believe the only reason they didn't indict him was because they said it would "Interfere from his job". Who cares? Thats the point. Interfere with him helping to destroy the climate, interfere with him putting children in rape cages, interfere with him trying to start a war with Iran, interfere with his tax breaks, interfere with him taking health insurance and other social programs from people, interfere with his trade laws.

Why didn't they intervene?
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Fanny Pavingmeck - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 19:56:26 EST 8pt/AtPX No.175106 Reply
Its quite hilarious to see Trump flip flop so hard and fast on the Mueller report that not even his cult can keep up with it.
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Jenny Minnerberk - Wed, 24 Apr 2019 04:47:41 EST Zpj3paAj No.175164 Reply
>>175106

It's not even complex, it's just plain chaotic to keep up with. It's not even lies or
BS tricks. It's far beyond any possibility for them to keep track of basically anything in this miss-administration. I guess it's always been that way.
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Hedda Nicklefoot - Wed, 24 Apr 2019 12:47:37 EST M4HpDslN No.175169 Reply
>>175164
You can never be wrong if you never stick to one opinion for too long
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Ernest Dimblehet - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 00:01:59 EST v5FIa3VW No.175262 Reply
>>175097
I get what you're saying with this pic but it's a really bad meme. Brevity is the soul of wit and wit is what passes for intellect to the average retard.
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John Dunderford - Thu, 09 May 2019 23:17:06 EST KetzL85W No.175559 Reply
>>175556
I have to wonder where you stand politically, to post that.
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Emma Wommerkere - Fri, 10 May 2019 12:36:12 EST rx6TdYA0 No.175579 Reply
>>175559
>Posting news on the news boards requires a political affiliation
Not everyone is a devolved monkey that can only understand the world in "us vs them" terms.
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John Wupperson - Fri, 10 May 2019 15:56:37 EST +8irr0Qf No.175584 Reply
>>175559
...I'm opposed to the fat criminal in office? I can't even understand what the hell you're getting at
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Emma Guffingtudge - Sun, 19 May 2019 07:17:45 EST +8irr0Qf No.175888 Reply
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[call for impeachment intensifies]
>U.S. Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan on Saturday became the first Republican lawmaker to say President Trump had "engaged in impeachable conduct." In a series of tweets, Amash wrote he had read the full report by special counsel Robert Mueller and had concluded there is a "threshold for impeachment."

>"Under our Constitution, the president 'shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors,'" Amash wrote Saturday. "While 'high Crimes and Misdemeanors' is not defined, the context implies conduct that violates the public trust."

>Amash also wrote that impeachment does not require "probable cause" has been committed, but rather "simply requires a finding that an official has engaged in careless, abusive, corrupt or otherwise dishonorable conduct."

>After Mueller concluded his report in mid-March, Attorney General William Barr released a four-page summary, which Amash said "deliberately misrepresented" the full 448-page report. "Barr's misrepresentations are significant but often subtle, frequently taking the form of sleight-of-hand qualifications or logical fallacies, which he hopes people will not notice," he wrote.

>Amash wrote that, contrary to Barr's initial assessment of Mueller's report, Mr. Trump had "engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment.

>Congress, too, was not spared from criticism by Amash. He called out the partisanship of many lawmakers, saying they shift their perceptions "180 degrees" when discussing former President Bill Clinton and Mr. Trump.

>"Few members of Congress even read Mueller's report; their minds were made up based on partisan affiliation — and it showed, with representatives and senators from both parties issuing definitive statements on the 448-page report's conclusions within just hours of its release," Amash wrote.

>Amash, who has been described as the "new Ron Paul" due to his Libertarian beliefs, has broken ranks with the Republican party before — and especially against Mr. Trump, whom he did not endorse in 2016. Earlier this year, he was one of 14 Republican representatives who tried to override Mr. Trump's veto over an emergency declaration for the border wall. In March, Amash did not rule out running for president as a Libertarian in 2020.

>Several of the Democrats running for president have called for Mr. Trump's impeachment.

>Read the full tweet thread below:

Here are my principal conclusions:
1. Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented Mueller’s report.
2. President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct.
3. Partisanship has eroded our system of checks and balances.
4. Few members of Congress have read the report.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

I offer these conclusions only after having read Mueller’s redacted report carefully and completely, having read or watched pertinent statements and testimony, and having discussed this matter with my staff, who thoroughly reviewed materials and provided me with further analysis.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

In comparing Barr’s principal conclusions, congressional testimony, and other statements to Mueller’s report, it is clear that Barr intended to mislead the public about Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s analysis and findings.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

Barr’s misrepresentations are significant but often subtle, frequently taking the form of sleight-of-hand qualifications or logical fallacies, which he hopes people will not notice.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

Under our Constitution, the president “shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” While “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined, the context implies conduct that violates the public trust.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

Contrary to Barr’s portrayal, Mueller’s report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

In fact, Mueller’s report identifies multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice, and undoubtedly any person who is not the president of the United States would be indicted based on such evidence.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

Impeachment, which is a special form of indictment, does not even require probable cause that a crime (e.g., obstruction of justice) has been committed; it simply requires a finding that an official has engaged in careless, abusive, corrupt, or otherwise dishonorable conduct.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

While impeachment should be undertaken only in extraordinary circumstances, the risk we face in an environment of extreme partisanship is not that Congress will employ it as a remedy too often but rather that Congress will employ it so rarely that it cannot deter misconduct.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

Our system of checks and balances relies on each branch’s jealously guarding its powers and upholding its duties under our Constitution. When loyalty to a political party or to an individual trumps loyalty to the Constitution, the Rule of Law—the foundation of liberty—crumbles.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

We’ve witnessed members of Congress from both parties shift their views 180 degrees—on the importance of character, on the principles of obstruction of justice—depending on whether they’re discussing Bill Clinton or Donald Trump.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

Few members of Congress even read Mueller’s report; their minds were made up based on partisan affiliation—and it showed, with representatives and senators from both parties issuing definitive statements on the 448-page report’s conclusions within just hours of its release.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

America’s institutions depend on officials to uphold both the rules and spirit of our constitutional system even when to do so is personally inconvenient or yields a politically unfavorable outcome. Our Constitution is brilliant and awesome; it deserves a government to match it.
— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

and so on

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/justin-amash-michigan-republican-congressman-becomes-first-gop-member-to-call-for-trump-impeachment/
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Martin Dollyfedge - Sun, 19 May 2019 09:46:03 EST 5OqnscC1 No.175892 Reply
Pushing the russiagate conspiracy is perhaps the surest way the establishment dems can hand trump a second term.
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David Dummlemen - Sun, 19 May 2019 12:48:58 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175896 Reply
>>175888
Justin Amash is in the house freedom caucus, right?

I really hope that the libertarians cleave away from Trump. The alliance between libertarians and white nationalists (and there's significant overlap between the two groups) within the GOP is what gave Trump his 2016 victory.
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Ebenezer Niffingdurk - Sun, 19 May 2019 15:24:05 EST 0V26JtM1 No.175902 Reply
>>175892
It's literally been proven they targeted the administration and Trump was either too incompetent to stop it if not willing to allow it while keeping his hands clean. The Mueller report didnt exonerate him at all, hence why now even a Republican has called for impeachment. All the people around him including Micharl Flynn who was supposed to be in charge of our fucking national security was an active and willing participant in treason.
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Augustus Dinningford - Sun, 19 May 2019 15:24:11 EST fSlq9ETD No.175903 Reply
>>175892
It's literally been proven they targeted the administration and Trump was either too incompetent to stop it if not willing to allow it while keeping his hands clean. The Mueller report didnt exonerate him at all, hence why now even a Republican has called for impeachment. All the people around him including Micharl Flynn who was supposed to be in charge of our fucking national security was an active and willing participant in treason.
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Fuck Brobberwater - Wed, 22 May 2019 18:14:09 EST bBmTsRUn No.175954 Reply
>>175892
Why Trump? The Democrats have at least a dozen presidential perspectives.

Why not seek just seek somebody far more unsuited for the position?
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Emma Worthingstock - Wed, 22 May 2019 23:28:11 EST +8irr0Qf No.175966 Reply
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>>175955
Facts vs. moronic shitpost. Thanks for playing. To reiterate: he was either complicit or so fucking incompetent that he put a convicted traitor in charge of our national security. So which is it?
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Phoebe Chumblenack - Thu, 23 May 2019 00:28:09 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175967 Reply
>>175966
Flynn didn't get a treason charge though. Turkey is an ally and a member of NATO. Lobbying for a foreign government as a national security official is insane, but Trump only hired the guy to begin with because he was a general and his base loves generals. The liberals who think Trump was playing twelve dimensional chess with Russia are giving him too much credit. His strategy is to pander to his base and hope he can get a second fluke out of the electoral college (which is a decent possibility).
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Thomas Poblinglirk - Thu, 23 May 2019 01:18:40 EST hTGvLTCN No.175969 Reply
>>175967

uncle joe biden is gonna save us and lower the age of consent
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Emma Worthingstock - Thu, 23 May 2019 04:18:05 EST +8irr0Qf No.175974 Reply
>>175967
Okay, so in other words you chalk it up to gross incompetence on his part as well as his base
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Edwin Dartridge - Fri, 24 May 2019 07:27:48 EST M/Ws53KS No.176010 Reply
>>176004

Trying her hardest to keep the Democrats from growing a spine. She needs to be removed from office.
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Oliver Hindletene - Fri, 24 May 2019 18:44:48 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176013 Reply
>>176004
You want President Pence? Same policy platform, but far more "respectable" in the eyes of beltway and cosmopolitan elites.
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Phyllis Blissleworth - Fri, 24 May 2019 20:45:08 EST sHzpYgFv No.176020 Reply
>>176013
Lolno, European politicians literally refused to talk to him on several occasions.
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Nigel Pockham - Sat, 25 May 2019 02:03:17 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176029 Reply
>>176021
They didn't do it to Andrew Johnson and he was way worse.
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Charles Sunningbadge - Thu, 30 May 2019 17:27:43 EST /MwhWfsN No.176175 Reply
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Oh god. Trump just tweeted that Russia helped him win the election. Then when asked about it by reporters a few hours later he denied he ever said that. Thats how bad his dementia is at this point.

His lawyer, Rudy Gulliani, has dementia too. Tweeting early in the morning :

"ivesssapology for a video which is a allegedly a caricature of an otherwise halting speech pattern, she should first stop, for saying the president needs an intervention. Are"
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Eugene Crendernadging - Thu, 30 May 2019 18:33:34 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176180 Reply
>>176175
Trump being friendly with Kim Jong Un is a positive development and I wish he would extend the same credulity to Iran.
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Samuel Deddlefield - Thu, 30 May 2019 23:03:35 EST Z00OeZzd No.176193 Reply
>>176190
East Asian nation all hate each other, USA is the only mutual agreed conduit They rather aim at current master China, much like every other neighbors.
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Phyllis Wurringkat - Fri, 31 May 2019 09:06:39 EST 97zXdItV No.176201 Reply
>>176190
>>176197
The projection from these American war fetishists is amazing.

Only one country in history has ever used nukes against another, and it wasn't the Bad Evil Asians who did it.
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Beatrice Woblingfuck - Fri, 31 May 2019 13:10:54 EST /MwhWfsN No.176207 Reply
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>>176180

I wouldn't call them friends, I'm sure he laughs at Trump behind his back, like all world leaders do. He even called Trump a dotard.

North Korea got everything from Trump's "deal", pissing South Korea off by canceling war games exercises at the border. America got nothing. They're still working on nukes and doing missile launch tests. And conserivitards eat it up like candy. Trump's motto has been "You tell them, and they believe it." since before he became president, and it still is his motto. He tells them the deal was successful and in America's favor, and no of them actually look into the details.
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Reuben Dinkinkone - Fri, 31 May 2019 14:15:04 EST o69NWkd9 No.176209 Reply
>>176207
Explain this shit.
How are a syndicate of white collar, college educated professionals (journos) more oppressed than negroes, cripples, and cuties? Even Jon Stewart called out their victim complex, as if the worst thing Trump even did to/for them is boost ratings/readership and clicks. He saves their gay telethons and is the big bad.
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Phoebe Merringgold - Fri, 31 May 2019 14:27:14 EST W9U9z9Cx No.176210 Reply
>>176209
>How are a syndicate of white collar, college educated professionals (journos) more oppressed than negroes, cripples, and cuties?
Point to where you see him say that for me, cause I'm not seeing it anywhere.
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Martha Monnerbare - Fri, 31 May 2019 14:32:57 EST Pf791qA2 No.176211 Reply
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>>176210
It's the image doofus. How are journos, besides gamer journos because no one is more oppressed than gamers, even in danger? It is untrue, cynical and self-serving for them to auto-deputize like so.
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Beatrice Woblingfuck - Fri, 31 May 2019 14:45:47 EST /MwhWfsN No.176212 Reply
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>>176207

Nobody is talking about oppression. Its just that hes talking about World Leaders like Kim Jong Un and saying "I trust this guy more than I trust the American fake news media". He's telling Americans (and half of them are buying it) that the media is out to get them. Claiming as fact anything negative they report about him is all lies. Thats what dictators in other countries do. Say the media is the enemy of the people.

By Media I mean not only News Networks like CNN, but also everyone else bitching about him, like The Daily Show and SNL.

He's tricking everyone into thinking Fox is the only trustworthy news outlet. But its a propaganda network, State TV. He even slipped up and referred to him and Fox as "we" at one point. At this point even people who watch no news whatsoever are better informed than people who watch exclusively Fox News.

>>176210

He was referring to my image.
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Clara Simbleforth - Fri, 31 May 2019 14:53:20 EST ZEzE2JMt No.176213 Reply
>>176207
>pissing South Korea off by canceling war games exercises at the border.
The vast majority of South Koreans want to reduce tensions, end the war and eventually disarm the border. They absolutely are not "pissed" the US might have to play with their fancy expensive death machines on someone else's land.

If you're triggered by the idea that we might not be able to use someone else's country as a playground for geopolitical brinkmanship and arms-industry profiteering, then just be honest about it. Don't pretend like wanting to perpetually prolong a decades-long war has anything to do with the best interests of South Koreans, and don't lie about their opinions in some cheap attempt to use them as a shield for your unsavory bloodlust.
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Phoebe Merringgold - Fri, 31 May 2019 14:57:11 EST W9U9z9Cx No.176214 Reply
>>176211
The image doesn't show or say a damned thing about anyone being "more oppressed than negroes, cripples, and cuties". Setting aside the fact that it's a satirical political cartoon, it's very clearly illustrating Trumps nonstop vilification of the media for reporting on his and his associates nonstop lying, dirty dealing and incompetence. I honestly have no fucking idea where you got any of that other shit from.
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Augustus Sickleway - Fri, 31 May 2019 15:01:45 EST q6o+IlXo No.176215 Reply
>>176209
It's not about how oppressed they are but the fact alone that the president constantly attacks them for doing their job. You attack the press (especially if you're doing it constantly like Trump) and you get awfully close to censorship and that whole "you won't be let in for the next press conference" is just messed up. Imagine if Obama treated faux news like that.
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Martha Monnerbare - Fri, 31 May 2019 15:11:27 EST Pf791qA2 No.176216 Reply
>>176214
Journalist are victim presenting especially because someone with similarly cut teeth is returning volley. I raise these classic victim groups for contrast that they are not oppression Olympians and they are in fact benefitting from orange man while briar patching.
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Beatrice Woblingfuck - Fri, 31 May 2019 15:45:26 EST /MwhWfsN No.176220 Reply
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>>176213

If they wanted that, why did they have war games there in the first place? North Korea wanted them gone, South Korea wanted to keep them. Its a matter of national defense. Kim Jong Un will never end the war, no deal with North Korea will EVER happen. They don't want it to happen, and we're dealing with a sociopath over there. You can't negotiate with people like that. It is physically and mentally impossible to "haggle" with a human being like that. Donald Trump is a fool for thinking we can.

I don't know how we approach this man. I don't know how we remove him from power without causing tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people to die. The US LOVES intervention, they've never seen a country they didn't want to bomb. I don't agree with this. But something has to happen and Kim Jong Un has to be removed from power.

Let's not forget that litterally a few days ago Donald Trump described Kim Jong Un as a friend, as somebody he deeply admires, as somebody who is a good leader, and as somebody who is incredibly smart. This is a mass murderer who subjects people to force labor and ideological education. No deal with North Korea will ever happen. Its impossible.
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Angus Cumblefield - Fri, 31 May 2019 15:47:33 EST E/EuhY8n No.176221 Reply
>>176220
Postponing war games costs America nothing. The Korea's have been minesweeping the DMZ and sharing cigarettes. Nobody wants Yankees.
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Angus Cumblefield - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:00:07 EST E/EuhY8n No.176223 Reply
>>176222
Lockheed recieves a few billions instead of dozens. The horror.
The showboating, like sanctions, are easily initiated, suspending is saving military money.
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Clara Simbleforth - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:03:47 EST ZEzE2JMt No.176224 Reply
>>176220
>If they wanted that, why did they have war games there in the first place?
>If foreigners don't want American troops doing imperialism in their country, why did they have American troops there doing imperialism?
>Surely if American troops are doing war stuff in a country, that proves the people there like it and want more
Are you taking the piss right now? I refuse to believe that you're really this stupid.

Okinawa has a Marine base there. By your logic, does that mean that the Okinawan people want the base there and support it? Do you think Iraqis actually do view US troops as liberators? Do you think the inhabitants of the Bikini Atoll asked to have their island nuked? If it happened, that means they wanted it to happen, right?

Honestly you've said some stupid shit before but good god.
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Hannah Hiffinglock - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:07:13 EST kOsifeX1 No.176225 Reply
>>176222
So is this what you do every time someone disagrees with you, just call them a tankie?

You did that in the other anti-NK thread you made when someone pointed out that your source was unverifiable rumors from a right-wing conspiracy rag. So is this just a preprogrammed response for you or something?
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Beatrice Woblingfuck - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:10:19 EST /MwhWfsN No.176226 Reply
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>>176224

It's different than typical American Imperialism(which I'm no fan of). I obviously know Iraqis hate that the US is in their country. I know the Okinawa base bugs Japanese people. But in North Korea we were taking steps to protect them from a mad man.
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Cornelius Husslewill - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:16:10 EST YzHGXqax No.176228 Reply
>>176220
>If they wanted that, why did they have war games there in the first place?
Look up something called "The Korean War". It's this obscure little thing that happened that might shed some light on your apparent lack of knowledge.

>Its a matter of national defense. Kim Jong Un will never end the war, no deal with North Korea will EVER happen. They don't want it to happen, and we're dealing with a sociopath over there. You can't negotiate with people like that. It is physically and mentally impossible to "haggle" with a human being like that.
Sounds to me like the one who desperately wants to keep the war going is you, Spooky.

If you refuse to even consider the possibility of diplomacy or negotiation because you think "people like that" yikes are below consideration as fellow human beings, dehumanizing an entire ethnicity as an excuse to do forever-war, then you're the sociopath here. And it's starting to sound like your big motivation here is that you really, really, REALLY hate people from Asia. You literally don't even see them as human.
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Beatrice Woblingfuck - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:20:22 EST /MwhWfsN No.176229 Reply
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>>176228

You're honestly going to argue that Kim Jong Un is not a sociopath? This has nothing to do with his Asian heritage wtf?
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Beatrice Woblingfuck - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:23:04 EST /MwhWfsN No.176230 Reply
>>176228

Yes the war Korean war never ended. They welcome our protection because of this..
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Hannah Hiffinglock - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:30:11 EST kOsifeX1 No.176231 Reply
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>>176226
>But in Iraq we were taking steps to protect them from a mad man.
>But in Libya we were taking steps to protect them from a mad man.
>But in Nicaragua we were taking steps to protect them from a mad man.
>But in Iran we will soon be taking steps to protect them from a mad man.
You're either the must gullible, historically illiterate person on earth or you're a sociopath.
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Cornelius Husslewill - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:38:07 EST YzHGXqax No.176233 Reply
>>176229
>You're honestly going to argue that Kim Jong Un is not a sociopath?
Every head of state is a sociopath. I don't see you demanding that we go to war with France because Emmanuel Macron is a sociopath and therefore incapable of peaceful negotiations.

No, for some reason, you seem to think the only countries on earth run by superhumanly evil men incapable of basic human diplomacy are countries in Asia.
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Beatrice Woblingfuck - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:39:42 EST /MwhWfsN No.176234 Reply
>>176231

Iraq was about Saddam Hussein going to reject the dollar. I do support overthrowing him. He was not a mad man.
Libya was about Gaddafi trying to reject the dollar and unify Africa. I don't support overthrowing him either.
They were good people. The US fucked them to keep oil on the dollar.

Kim Jong Un is different. It isn't about resources this time.
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Beatrice Woblingfuck - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:46:41 EST /MwhWfsN No.176235 Reply
>>176233

Why does everybody think I hate Asians? I hate ONE Asian, Kim Jong Un. I love the rest.

If you read my post I said I DON'T want war with North Korea. But I also said I don't know how to remove Kim Jong Un, an ego-maniacal mass murderer, from power. Just that I wish he was. But I'm not advocating war.

Why would we go to war with France? wtf? I don't even know if Emmanuel Macron is a sociopath or not, but I don't care if he is. He doesn't enslave and starve millions and demand everyone worship him like a living god.
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Cornelius Husslewill - Fri, 31 May 2019 17:06:18 EST YzHGXqax No.176236 Reply
>>176235
>Why does everybody think I hate Asians? I hate ONE Asian, Kim Jong Un. I love the rest.
You've said some pretty fucking disturbing shit about Chinese and Russians over the past few years, too.

>If you read my post I said I DON'T want war with North Korea. But I also said I don't know how to remove Kim Jong Un, an ego-maniacal mass murderer, from power. Just that I wish he was. But I'm not advocating war.
The Korean War is ongoing.
If you refuse even the prospect of negotiations to end it, then you are advocating war. Maybe not for starting it, but for continuing it, with the expectation of escalating it eventually.

Fantasizing about regime change doesn't exactly help your case in this respect, either.

>Why would we go to war with France? wtf? I don't even know if Emmanuel Macron is a sociopath or not, but I don't care if he is.
Yeah it's weird how the thought of maintaining a 60 year war with Western countries never crosses your mind, no matter how unpopular their leaders might be.

It's weird how you don't immediately pathologize or dehumanize leaders of Western countries. Almost like you're more willing to accept them as nuanced, complex beings who are capable of the basic human ability to negotiate and therefore are less willing to declare them sociopaths from across the world.

And it's weird how you don't even care if Western leaders are sociopaths or not, yet supposedly the whole entire reason why North Korea can't be negotiated with is because their leader is a sociopath. Almost as if you apply a different standard to Asian leaders than you do to Western leaders.
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Phineas Worthingdale - Fri, 31 May 2019 18:24:24 EST +8irr0Qf No.176237 Reply
>>176234
>they were good people
What an outright blatant lie. Gaddafi well that's debatable. Overall he probably was good for his people. I don't understand why Libya decided to sponsor a terrorist attack on airlines (not that the US and others haven't done shit like this) but the US also outright murdered his children.

Saddam it's a different story. The man was a sociopath and basically another US good boy who forgot who his master was.
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Cornelius Sunnerbuck - Fri, 31 May 2019 18:25:01 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176238 Reply
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>>176207
>North Korea got everything from Trump's "deal",

They got fucking nothing, actually. Canceling the war games was the first step toward a deal, but what the DPRK wants is for the sanctions against the DPRK's economy to be lifted so that, you know, the DPRK can import shit again, and conduct trade with the United States.

The DPRK wants nukes because they saw what happened to Libya, to Iraq, and so on. They understand how a powerful military, including a nuclear weapons program, acts to deter the threat of foreign invaison. They don't want a war. They want to be able to prevent one. If the US really wants peace in the region, and not regime change, then Trump's rapprochement with the Workers' Party of Korea is a positive development, one which actually puts us on the road to peace.

This kind of reflexive anti-Trump shit, where you go against anything he does to the extent that you liberals agree with fucking neoconservatives like John Bolton, is just insane to me. This is why the far right makes fun of you fuckers with shit like "Trump Derangement Syndrome". It's real, evidently.
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Beatrice Woblingfuck - Fri, 31 May 2019 19:47:27 EST /MwhWfsN No.176242 Reply
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>>176236

I meant I don't think America should bomb them. And when I said "you can't negotiate with a sociopath like Kim Jong Un" I really meant "you can't negotiate with someone who mass murders and starves millions for fun". Sociopath was just a polite way of putting it. A far cry from what any western leader does.

>>176237

>Saddam was a bastard

True, I meant he was a good person when compared to the Bush Administration. I should of clarified.
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Samuel Gettingshaw - Fri, 31 May 2019 20:56:15 EST 1i2Q00c3 No.176247 Reply
>>176242
Does anyone think TRUMP is a good guy? Even people who support him thinks he's a bad guy but is on their side.
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Shitting Wablingduck - Fri, 31 May 2019 21:31:29 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176248 Reply
>>176238
>Trump's rapprochement with the Workers' Party of Korea is a positive development, one which actually puts us on the road to peace.


Its not hard to tell your a shill when you such formal writing like that bub.
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Alice Clipperspear - Fri, 31 May 2019 21:46:21 EST kOsifeX1 No.176249 Reply
>>176242
>you can't negotiate with someone who mass murders and starves millions
So you think it was impossible to do diplomacy with Winston Churchill, Harry Truman, Bill Clinton, etc?
That they were somehow physically incapable of negotiation?
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Martha Seblingfeck - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 13:55:21 EST +8irr0Qf No.176265 Reply
>>176261
Piss off you dumb fucking Nazi.
>b-but churchill was an evil genocidal dictator too!
Right wing authoritarians are the forces of Satan we've all been warned about. When they lie they lie out of their own nature, for there is no truth in them. A murderer in the beginning, and the father of lies.
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Barnaby Mullershaw - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 15:15:23 EST YzHGXqax No.176269 Reply
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>>176242
>>176251
>>176265
>stanning for Churchill
Awesome, you dipshits made this a lot easier than you needed it to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule
I appreciate you doing the work for me and illustrating just how little you value the lives of non-Americans and especially Asians. Pretending that these millions of deaths, starvations, slavery and near-slavery conditions, genocide and economic warfare didn't happen or are good things is the sort of misstep that frogposters usually make when they can't help themselves from revealing their "power level". Out of all the ways that you could have tried to weasel out some defense of white supremacist global imperialism, you actually decided to defend fucking Churchill. Amateur hour shit.

The famines that occurred in South Asia (among so much else in the Americas, Africa, Oceania, etc.) are a matter of historical record. You morons aren't going to shitpost your way into erasing the evidence of all the "mass murders and starves millions" that demonstrably occurred *and continues to occur* because of the actions of Western white capitalist countries. But the fact that you are so fucking convinced that you can belies the absolute contempt for the populations that experienced these crimes against humanity.

Asians are people. So are Native Americans, Blacks, and everyone else. You three? are extremely, extremely convinced that they aren't, and that therefore starving tens of millions of them to death doesn't count as bad. Literally, in your minds, tens of millions of South Asians are worth less than one fat autocrat thumbing his nose at American regional hegemony.

You all should honestly consider following your ideological leader. Go fuck off to your bunkers and kill yourselves you genocidal apologist cunts.
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John Sashkack - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 16:25:52 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176276 Reply
>>176248
Who do you think I'm supposed to be shilling for? The WKP is fucked but it will only let up its abuses of power under circumstances where such abuses can't be justified as "the exigencies of war" and so on. I just think a peaceful foreign policy depends on the US abandoning regime change as an objective, and allowing governments to rise and fall naturally, as governments do. When we intervene to change regimes to be more friendly to our own objectives, we do a lot more harm than good. Over a million people died in Iraq because of the war. Hundreds of thousands have died in Afghanistan. We're not one inch closer to beating terrorism, in fact, we've only instigated more of it through our endless military presence in foreign countries.

Why are liberals all of a sudden clamoring for war with the DPRK? Trump has hardly even broke with standard American foreign policy. Why do you want to see so many North Koreans starve under a US sanctions regime?
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Martha Seblingfeck - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 16:45:58 EST +8irr0Qf No.176277 Reply
>>176269
Why the hell do you think we're going to listen to this bullshit poltard whataboutism, as if we don't oppose imperialism generally? Fucking nobody supports the shit Britain did. That does not make it equivalent to or excuse the industrialized genocide of the absolute laughably idiotic shitshow that was the brief existence of the Nazis. You guys come here and try to go all
>b-but what about c-churchil! Churchill also a bad man! Churchill was evil!
as if we're going to fucking listen to you with this dumb fucking shit. You could've also mentioned the post-war world of Operation Ajax and British Petroleum trying to cajole two different presidents into overthrowing the democratically elected moderate government of Iran, followed by decades of brutal dictatorship as a Western puppet gov before being overthrown by the radical Islamists and thus we've got the Ayatollahs who're rightfully fearful and suspicious of the West.

And how in the actual fuck does that excuse the horrendous nightmare and utter failure that was the Nazi regime, exactly?
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Barnaby Mullershaw - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 17:03:00 EST YzHGXqax No.176281 Reply
>>176277
>That does not make it equivalent to or excuse the industrialized genocide of the absolute laughably idiotic shitshow that was the brief existence of the Nazis.
The Nazis?
Are you saying that you think the Nazis were in North Korea???

Or did you forget what it was that we were arguing about, but you were so caught up in arguing for its own sale that your caveman brain just started throwing random shit out there without thinking?

>You could've also mentioned the post-war world of Operation Ajax and British Petroleum trying to cajole two different presidents into overthrowing the democratically elected moderate government of Iran, followed by decades of brutal dictatorship as a Western puppet gov before being overthrown by the radical Islamists and thus we've got the Ayatollahs who're rightfully fearful and suspicious of the West.
Yes, that's correct.

How exactly do you think this supports your side's theory that "Koreans are uniquely, inhumanly evil people who cannot be negotiated with and cannot be treated diplomatically, and must have their leadership forcibly removed by British Petroleum Western nations for their own good?"

Did you do the caveman brain thing again?

>And how in the actual fuck does that excuse the horrendous nightmare and utter failure that was the Nazi regime, exactly?
This argument was about North Korea, dude.

You should seriously see a brain doctor. I'm not even kidding.
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Shitting Wablingduck - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 17:57:57 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176288 Reply
>>176281
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How exactly do you think this supports your side's theory that "Koreans are uniquely, inhumanly evil people who cannot be negotiated with and cannot be treated diplomatically, and must have their leadership forcibly removed by British Petroleum Western nations for their own good?"


Again, your making slips that DPRK shills make. The Implication that North Korea is the "true and proper" nation of Korea.
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Barnaby Mullershaw - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 18:07:47 EST YzHGXqax No.176289 Reply
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>>176288
Before you accused me of defending Nazis because I committed the sin of pointing out that White people do atrocities to and yet they can be negotiated with.

Now you're accusing me of being a North Korea shill because I committed the sin of pointing out that White people do atrocities to and yet they can be negotiated with.

You actually do think the Nazis and North Korea are the same thing don't you? Your brain really is fucking dying. I feel sorry for your grandkids, but you should know that you're last few moments on earth are making you look like a gigantic paranoid dumbass.
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Shitting Wablingduck - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 19:03:45 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176295 Reply
>>176289
You're not addressing anything, your just making these strawmen and yelling at them, while posting shitty meme images. You tell me what you are.
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Barnaby Mullershaw - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 19:25:29 EST YzHGXqax No.176298 Reply
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>>176295
Look buddy, as long as you fix whatever it is in your brain that makes you think "diplomacy good" = Nazis = Tankies, it really doesn't matter what anyone tells you.

Also, I dunno what you think memes are, but the Alzheimer's Helpline isn't a meme in any community I'm familiar with. Maybe it's a meme on the boomer Facebook page you migrated here from, I dunno.

nb
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Priscilla Nollerfield - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 19:48:12 EST pJ3PGJ0/ No.176300 Reply
Western chauvinists and imperialism apologists get the wall, too.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/apr/23/british-empire-crimes-ignore-atrocities
>There is one thing you can say for the Holocaust deniers: at least they know what they are denying. In order to sustain the lies they tell, they must engage in strenuous falsification. To dismiss Britain's colonial atrocities, no such effort is required. Most people appear to be unaware that anything needs to be denied.

>The story of benign imperialism, whose overriding purpose was not to seize land, labour and commodities but to teach the natives English, table manners and double-entry book-keeping, is a myth that has been carefully propagated by the rightwing press. But it draws its power from a remarkable national ability to airbrush and disregard our past.

>Last week's revelations, that the British government systematically destroyed the documents detailing mistreatment of its colonial subjects, and that the Foreign Office then lied about a secret cache of files containing lesser revelations, is by any standards a big story. But it was either ignored or consigned to a footnote by most of the British press. I was unable to find any mention of the secret archive on the Telegraph's website. The Mail's only coverage, as far as I can determine, was an opinion piece by a historian called Lawrence James, who used the occasion to insist that any deficiencies in the management of the colonies were the work of "a sprinkling of misfits, incompetents and bullies", while everyone else was "dedicated, loyal and disciplined".

inb4 Freikorps Wizard accuses The Guardian of being NaziTankieKoreans
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Angus Dartdock - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 20:47:37 EST /MwhWfsN No.176304 Reply
>>176269

Fuck off. I was the only white kid in my all Asian posse in high school.
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Phoebe Tillingfoot - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 21:23:57 EST +8irr0Qf No.176305 Reply
>>176298
4cancer and stormfaggotry has genuinely damaged your brain. You can no longer even talk or think like a normal human being. Think of how isolated you are now. Think about that shooter in New Zealand, or the pizza pong shooter, or that car Jihadi who ran innocent people over and is now serving jail time for murder. Look in the mirror you dumb strawmanning polfag.
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Graham Fanson - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 21:40:32 EST m8NTKyNU No.176306 Reply
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>>176305
>wanting diplomacy = you're from stormfront
You really have no shame about how obviously disingenuous or stupid you look, do you?

You really think than you can trick people into thinking "peace = Nazis", which is all the giveaway anyone needs to know where you came from.

Pic related, peace with other ethnicities is possible no matter how hard you stormfags cry about it.
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Doris Parryhall - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:12:06 EST YzHGXqax No.176311 Reply
>>176304
Doesn't seem to have done you much good. If you came away from that experience thinking:
>Asians are uniquely evil in a way Westerners aren't and can't be negotiated with
>peace is NEVER an option, you will submit to every single one of the white man's demands or we will have forever war
>Westerners don't commit atrocities like you do, even and especially if that atrocity involves killing millions of your countrymen
>even if Westerners could commit atrocities like you monsters, it wouldn't matter because white people can be negotiated with no matter how many millions they kill, unlike you
>we need to tell you what's best for you, no you can't keep your own leaders we have to choose for you by force if necessary
>white people having nukes is normal and acceptable. you people having nukes is unnatural and must be stopped at all costs
>29 million of you starving to death is less bad and less "sociopathic" than one (1) of your leaders being disobedient
>everyone who disagrees with me on imageboards is one of you people in disguise, because only foreigners can be responsible for the problems in my life
>if my country goes full retard and elects a demented racist buffoon to be president then it must be because you people sent your spies and trolls to ruin my life, because only foreigners can be responsible for the problems in America

Then guess what? You were never really their friends, or if you were, well... people change. Not everyone changes for the better. Clearly you didn't, colonizer.

And quite frankly it doesn't matter how many "Black friend" arguments you can pull out. At the end of all this, I am advocating for peace. You have apparently dedicated your entire being to trying to stop peace. People who work as hard as you do to prevent peace must be overcome and consigned to the dustbin of history along with all the other white supremacist warmongers.

>>176305
Hey dude, maybe trying to convince me that "Nazism is when you advocate for peace" would have worked better for you if you just hadn't exposed yourself as a lunatic Bible-thumping ranting schizophrenic just a few threads down.

Just a heads up for next time you pop your head out of /pooky/ long enough to try to interact with the world of the neurotypical. Hope it goes better for you next time.
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Shit Pittcocke - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:22:14 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176313 Reply
>>176298
First, get another joke besides "you have Alzheimers" Second, you're acting like everyone who disagrees with you is one person, a classic sign of parinoia. If you wana fight strawmen, go have it, just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
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Doris Parryhall - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:24:52 EST YzHGXqax No.176314 Reply
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>>176313
>anyone who disagrees with me is a "DPRK shill"
>but actually you're the "parinnoid" one, not me
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Shit Pittcocke - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:25:19 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176315 Reply
>>176298
First, get something besides "lol you have Alzheimer's" It doesn't even make sense for the shit your saying. Alzheimer's doesn't make you dumb, it causes you to loose your memory and cognitive abilities.


Second, you seem to be convinced everyone you're arguing with is a single person. If you wana paranoidly knockdown strawmen, have fun, but don't expect people to take you seriously.
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Shit Pittcocke - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:26:22 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176316 Reply
>>176314
Again, your strawmanning and pretending everyone who disagrees with you is a single person. Seriously are you ok? Christ man.
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Doris Parryhall - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:30:08 EST YzHGXqax No.176317 Reply
>>176316
>Again, your strawmanning and pretending everyone who disagrees with you is a single person.

>>176248
>Its not hard to tell your a shill when you such formal writing like that
>>176288
>Again, your making slips that DPRK shills make

So you must be new here, but we actually have IDs on this board, so nice try you paranoid schizo liar.
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Shit Pittcocke - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:32:16 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176318 Reply
>>176317
I'm not the only person posting, as you can see as you cite the IDs. I mean, you may not be a shill, or Alt-right. You could just an extremely angry person who can't do anything about it. I mean, if you wana vent, thats cool.
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Phoebe Clondlefuck - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:37:03 EST kyqZ2YLB No.176319 Reply
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>hey guys I think peace with other nations is good and we should work towards peace
"ur a shill"
"ur a tankie"
"ur a nazi"
"ur paranoid"
"arglebarglebargle the idea of peace MAKES ME SO MAD reeeeeeeeeee"
Wtf is even going on in this thread? When did 420chan become so neoconservative and xenophobic? It reads like the fucking John Birch Society took this place over lol.
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Doris Parryhall - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:39:42 EST YzHGXqax No.176320 Reply
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>>176318
>I mean, you may not be a shill, or Alt-right.
Holy shit well at least one of the neocons in this thread is capable of making some progress.
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Shit Pittcocke - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:41:00 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176321 Reply
>>176320
Hey man, if this keeps you from blowing your brains out, keep yelling dude. I can handle someone impotently being angry at me online.
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Phoebe Tillingfoot - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:42:33 EST +8irr0Qf No.176322 Reply
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>>176319
We aren't. It's just this one complete faggot who's trying to frame us as that because his poltarded logic only works on memes and strawmen so he has to mentally convert us all into bullshit memes in order for him to strawmen at shit we aren't saying. Fucking no one is talking about war with NK. It's entirely this one asshole with his whataboutism about Churchill because he's a fucking neonazi who's still butthurt over 70 years later that the good guys won the war.
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Phoebe Tillingfoot - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:44:30 EST +8irr0Qf No.176324 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Phoebe Tillingfoot - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:45:17 EST +8irr0Qf No.176325 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Phoebe Tillingfoot - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:46:03 EST +8irr0Qf No.176326 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Shit Pittcocke - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:46:49 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176327 Reply
>>176322
Again, I dont think he's poltard, he's just a really frustated and angry person who needs a safespace to vent.
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Phoebe Clondlefuck - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:47:38 EST kyqZ2YLB No.176328 Reply
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>>176322
>whataboutism about Churchill because he's a fucking neonazi who's still butthurt over 70 years later that the good guys won the war.
>Bengali famine
>the good guys won the war
So you think all those Bengalis who died under his watch were the "bad guys"...?
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Doris Parryhall - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:51:54 EST YzHGXqax No.176329 Reply
>>176327
Hey, maybe the fact that the people who agree with you that "peace is bad" are paranoid spammers who can't help but call everyone they disagree with a poltard suggests that your side of this debate might not be the most logical side.

Would you like to address the fact that you've taken a "peace is bad" position, by the way? I feel like all this image spamming and baseless paranoid ad homs has buried the lead here.

Why are you so convinced that peace is bad?
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Shit Pittcocke - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:54:43 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176330 Reply
>>176329
Pretending Trump is a man of peace because he meat with Un, while he steams warships to Iran and Venezuela makes me think your words ring hollow friend.


Granted, you could just be lashing out as a coping method, which I suspect now.
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Phoebe Clondlefuck - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 22:55:45 EST kyqZ2YLB No.176331 Reply
>>176322
>>176323
>>176324
>>176325
>>176326
Bro I know the idea of peace negotiations makes you super duper angry but there's no need for you to spam /vg/ screenshots over it.

I think there might honestly be something wrong with you guys, this is extremely not-normal behavior.
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Doris Parryhall - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 23:01:09 EST YzHGXqax No.176332 Reply
>>176330
>Pretending Trump is a man of peace
So the reason that you're so mad about this is because you mistakenly thought that I said "Trump is a man of peace"?

Is this seriously what set you off so much? A reading comprehension error resulting in a strawman?

"Peace is good and we should work towards it" is a statement that does not have anything to do with Trump. The concept of "peace" and "negotiations" and "diplomacy" predate Trump by quite a while in fact.

So this is your problem with me? You think that Trump invented the concept of peace?

Let's try to see if your reading comprehension can work this conundrum out:
-Peace is good and we as a species should work towards it
-AND Trump can be bad and unpeaceable
-both of this concepts can be true at the same time

Can you agree with that statement, or are we going to have to slowly explain the difference between "peace negotiations" and "Trump" to you?
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Angus Dartdock - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 23:13:14 EST /MwhWfsN No.176333 Reply
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>>176311

Is English not your first language? You keep saying I consider Asians evil vermin when I never even came close to saying anything like that. I also never said peace is never an option, I've been anti-war throughout my thread. I also never said anything about everyone submitting to white man's demands wtf are you even talking about? I also never said white men never commit atrocities, I think Ronald Reagan and the Bush Dynasty are a step short of literal devils, which I've mentioned in this thread. I also never said we should pick other peoples leaders for them, I said Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi should of been able to continue ruling their own countries without US interference(I do want Kim Jong Un removed through power however, just not with war, he laughs at the suffering for others for fucks sakes). I don't even know who your talking about when you say 29 million people starving to death is worse than one leader being disobedient, but I object to whatever you're implying. Also I never accused anyone of being a shill. Also I'm advocating for peace, just like you, I said I hope we do not bomb North Korea or any other country. And I was right about the Russian spies heavily interfering in our election, that was proven by the Mueller report.

Your whole post is delusional.
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Doris Parryhall - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 23:30:00 EST YzHGXqax No.176334 Reply
>>176333
> I also never said peace is never an option
>"no deal with North Korea will EVER happen."
>"You can't negotiate with people like that."
>"No deal with North Korea will ever happen. Its impossible. "
Bro.

> I also never said we should pick other peoples leaders for them
>"But in North Korea we were taking steps to protect them from a mad man."
>"But I also said I don't know how to remove Kim Jong Un, an ego-maniacal mass murderer, from power. Just that I wish he was."
>"But something has to happen and Kim Jong Un has to be removed from power."
Bro come on.

>I don't even know who your talking about when you say 29 million people starving to death is worse than one leader being disobedient
>"A far cry from what any western leader does."
Bro wtf.

Arguing with you is fun and all but not if you're just going to lie about what I can easily scroll up to read. Come on.
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Angus Dartdock - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 23:32:04 EST /MwhWfsN No.176335 Reply
>>176333
Whoa., big typo. I never said WAR is never an option. not peace.
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Angus Dartdock - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 23:46:13 EST /MwhWfsN No.176337 Reply
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>>176334

I didn't mean you can't negotiate with Asians lol. I meant you can't negotiate with someone like Kim Jong Un, a man who literally views himself as a living God and kills for pleasure and laughs at the suffering of others. And yes he is a mad man.

you said pick I say people can't pick their own leaders(as if anyone would "pick" kim lol), plural. No I said leader, singular, one man, Kim Jong Un. Everyone else in the world should pick their own governors. And Kim is a far cry from what any leader in the world does. Watch a documentary about North Korea. He demands literal worship of himself as if he's some kind of deity, and in return he starves his people to death.

He may want Nukes to protect himself like a situation in Iraq, but at what cost, he spends like 99% of his money on the military and nuclear research. And none of it on helping his people. Even if he didn't have nukes and worst case scenario hypothetical America invaded long ago, his people would STILL be better off than they are now. The people in Iraq, as hard as we made it for them, have it better than in North Korea.

Not that I'm advocating invasion. I just think Kim is twisted beyond measure, unlike any other world leader. The rest of the world should get to pick their own leaders without the USA bullying them.
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Doris Parryhall - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 00:04:40 EST YzHGXqax No.176339 Reply
>>176337
>I meant you can't negotiate with someone like Kim Jong Un, a man who literally views himself as a living God and kills for pleasure and laughs at the suffering of others.
>He demands literal worship of himself as if he's some kind of deity, and in return he starves his people to death.
So did the kings of Europe. So did people like Andrew Jackson. So did the emperors of China. So did the Pharaohs of Egypt. So did the monarchies of the Arabs.

All of those people were capable of diplomacy. What is different about Kim that makes him the exception to those murderous living gods? Why can't you extend to him what was extended to so many other murderous despots like him?

>And Kim is a far cry from what any leader in the world does.
>I just think Kim is twisted beyond measure, unlike any other world leader.
You're doing this again. Are you seriously implying that no other leader in the world oversees starvation and police state overreach in their countries? Like America, for all of its history? Do you think Kim is responsible for as many deaths as occurred during the genocide of the Native Americans, or everything that happened to Black Americans? And if not, why are we allowed to do diplomacy with every American president to date, but not Kim? What is different about him that makes his smaller body count worse than our much larger body count?

Do you really think Kim is the only leader in history who has done these things, or are you just exaggerating in a way that makes it seem like you think this?

>He may want Nukes to protect himself like a situation in Iraq, but at what cost
Yes, go ahead explain to me what would be the "cost" to me of some country on the other side of the world having defensive weapons.

>The people in Iraq, as hard as we made it for them, have it better than in North Korea.
Bro, come on. You really think that ISIS is better than North Korea? Fucking ISIS?

>you said pick I say people can't pick their own leaders
>The rest of the world should get to pick their own leaders without the USA bullying them.
Okay so other people should get to pick their own leaders... just not Koreans...

>Even if he didn't have nukes and worst case scenario hypothetical America invaded long ago, his people would STILL be better off than they are now.
Do you think they would greet us a liberators, George?

I'm trying very hard to make this clear, but you seem to be having a lot of trouble with this:
KIM JONG UN IS NOT GOOD. JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS NOT GOOD DOES NOT MAKE HIM THE LITERAL WORST IN HISTORY. SOMEONE CAN BE NOT GOOD BUT ALSO OTHER THINGS CAN BE AS BAD OR WORSE. AND JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS NOT GOOD DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T DO DIPLOMACY.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Why is North Korea the only country on earth for whom goodness is a prerequisite for diplomacy.
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Angus Dartdock - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 00:19:13 EST /MwhWfsN No.176340 Reply
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>>176339

Its not entirely about body count.

What's different about Kim is he has a legit disorder that makes him believe he is a living God. He doesn't think he's a man. He won't negotiate with men.

America and others have done terrible things but they are civil in discussion with other nations.

Also if the Koreans knew Kim was mortal, they obviously wouldn't pick him.
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Phoebe Tillingfoot - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 00:22:15 EST +8irr0Qf No.176341 Reply
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>>176329
>>176331
I'm pro-peace you fucking moron. I have no idea where you're even getting this from or why you're trying to accuse others of being warmongers. We're fucking pacifist leftists on weed you goddam faggot. Also
>all dat projection
I'm pretty sure at this point you have your own severe mental problems you're trying to deal with by projecting it onto others. That, or you're just trying to ruin /n/. Either way it's not even worth the bother trying to talk to your nutbag ass.
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Wesley Diggleworth - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 00:27:48 EST Rz04a00w No.176342 Reply
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>>176337
>And Kim is a far cry from what any leader in the world does.
Based on this statement I'm going to assume that you're not African American, Native American, Hispanic, Palestinian, Rohingya, Uyghur, Aboriginal, Pygmy, Kurdish, Alevi, Houthi, Mayan or Native Amazonian.
Or a sweatshop worker.

To say something like that...
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Angus Dartdock - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 00:39:13 EST /MwhWfsN No.176343 Reply
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>>176342

They don't demand "literal" worship and trick their followers into believing their leader is immortal, never shits, learned to drive at age 3, can hit 18 holes in one in a row, etc.
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Doris Parryhall - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 00:44:19 EST YzHGXqax No.176344 Reply
>>176340
>What's different about Kim is he has a legit disorder that makes him believe he is a living God.
So I guess I have to repeat my question since you ignored it:
So did the kings of Europe. So did people like Andrew Jackson. So did the emperors of China. So did the Pharaohs of Egypt. So did the monarchies of the Arabs.

All of those people were capable of diplomacy. What is different about Kim that makes him the exception to those murderous living gods? Why can't you extend to him what was extended to so many other murderous despots like him?

>He won't negotiate with men.
He has clearly shown the capacity to negotiate with other countries and the whole reason why your panties are in such a bunch is because he agreed to negotiate with the United States.

>America and others have done terrible things but they are civil in discussion with other nations.
?????????????????????????????????
George W. Bush called a bunch of nations an "Axis of Evil" and said we were on a "crusade" against them. Duterte called Obama a "son of a bitch" in an official statement. The British PM called his imperial subjects "beastly people" while he starved them. Various countries in the Middle East and South Asia keep threatening to wipe each other and us off the map. Jean-Claude Juncker literally bitch-slapped the president of Hungary at an EU summit on camera. Trump has Twitter.

What exactly has Kim done that is less "civil" than any of those things?

>Also if the Koreans knew Kim was mortal, they obviously wouldn't pick him.
Are you trying to tell us that Koreans are too stupid to understand this? Both his father and his grandfather were clearly mortal, otherwise he wouldn't be president, right?

You really think the Koreans - including the generals and party higher-ups - are too stupid to have figured this out?

>>176341
>I'm pro-peace you fucking moron.
Well if that's true then feel free to stop spazzing out at me and go yell at someone who isn't, or better yet go lie down and cool off. Nobody asked you to jump in here start calling people you supposedly agree with Nazis and spamming video game screenshots.

Bye bye.
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Albert Blacklechad - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 00:49:27 EST m+DY16KS No.176345 Reply
>>176343
You think that what is currently happening to those people is better than having someone lie to them about their golf score? Many of the people on that list are being genocided. Are you really telling us that, in your moral framework, lying about one's life expectancy is worse than *committing genocide*?

I think you should think very carefully about what your answer to this question will say about you. Please.
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Caroline Crummlekire - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 02:40:23 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176347 Reply
>>176345
That dude is falling for stories they told about Kim Jong Il, thinking they're about Kim Jong Un, because American media outlets just repeat anything about North Korea regardless of how outrageous it is.
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Angus Dartdock - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 14:34:56 EST /MwhWfsN No.176361 Reply
>>176344

By immortal I was using poetic license. They think he has the powers of a god but not the lifespan. When he enters a room, they have to applaud for 20 minutes non-stop. He's not going to give up that kind of power, he's addicted to it.

And if you want to see how well negotiations with North Korea would go over, check out this picture >>176340
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Henry Basslefuck - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 14:59:09 EST QgwvDyjp No.176362 Reply
>>176345
sick pearl clutching from a nation that already finished all the genocide it's gonna need to do and can sit back on stolen land calling kettles jolly african-americans
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Polly Turveycocke - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 17:20:36 EST Qx9Mg37E No.176366 Reply
>>176362
The entire thread about trump being an absolute criminal scumbag was derailed by some fucktard alt cringe idiot. I now know what you guys mean about their disruption tactics. So let's return to talking about trumps criminality and probably pedophile tendencies towards his daughter and whatever he did at Jeff Epstein's pedo "maseage" parties
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Angus Dartdock - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 17:27:17 EST /MwhWfsN No.176367 Reply
>>176366

Yeah after reading Fire and Fury and seeing the author's interview on Bill Maher I'm convinced Trump and Ivanka fucked. A lot. And she loved it.
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Angus Dartdock - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 17:50:28 EST /MwhWfsN No.176368 Reply
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Trump said a few days ago that he wants libel laws changed so people can't make fun of him. But he should be careful what he wishes for, if libel laws were rewritten, everyone who lies on his behalf, literally all conservative media would disappear instantly. Libel laws are actually very complicated, and to boil it down to its most basic thing, yes, you can be held for libel as long as your lies cause financial distress or harm to another individual. If it does not meet those standards, you can't do anything about it.

He wants to change it so that if you say anything thats not true, suddenly you can sue them. And my god Fox News if he changes these laws, you better lawyer up. Literally every single host on their network would be sued. Or, depending on how Trump changes the libel laws, thrown in jail. So there goes his entire staff of on-air talent at Fox News, gone, if we change the libel laws to where if you say something untrue you're done. Daily Wire, Daily Caller, Breitbart, Info Wars, Zero Hedge, all of them would be gone, sued into oblivion. Rush Limbaugh, goodbye. Ann Coulter, see ya. Tomi Lahren, Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, Candace Owens, all they do is lie all the time. And if Trump has his way, all they're gonna do is be sued all the time.
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Nathaniel Grimfuck - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 21:18:53 EST fpo1elCK No.176372 Reply
>>176368
Yeah except T's idea of the law is that it hurts the people he doesn't like and helps the people he does. Anything that hurts him or stand in his way is a bad law, anything that helps him is a good law. If the opposite appears to be true, that's just fake news. So don't you think that if he can get this pass he won't just put his thumb on the scale of the DOJ but his whole entire ass to make sure they only go after his opponents and give his allies a pass? Even if he can't get them to do that (what about recent history would make you think that he can't?) that's certainly his plan with doing it. He's not completely dumb, he can think one step ahead, he just can't think two steps ahead.
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Hedda Cunningtot - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 21:55:30 EST +8irr0Qf No.176376 Reply
>>176372
Except can't this just be used to sue the everloving shit out of him too? Considering that whole, he's a pathological liar constantly attacking people and shitposting false garbage about them and all.
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Fuck Buncocke - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 22:42:56 EST FKwPK2CR No.176379 Reply
>>176368
>Trump said a few days ago that he wants libel laws changed so people
>can't make fun of him. Dictator. Loser!!!!

Dems would not screw around with (especially false) or nothing words against them. But Trumps so-called criticism of trump is generally based on real serious issues. But poking fun about it.

I think he picks on little stuff, to mask the real serious issues. He goes on with his adjective laden tweets, that should mean nothing in politics. His fake announcements of being under constant attack makes him look weak.

He is a weak disorientated unfocused LOSER in world politics. As is his devotees.
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Fuck Buncocke - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 04:08:25 EST FKwPK2CR No.176390 Reply
>>173416
>why does Russia want Iran and America at war with each other?

It's war by proxy, it has been as it always has been. We (the US) seemed to fortify
saddam with WMDs. Chemical weapons to attack Iranian soldiers and innocent peoples. Children, ethnic cleansing. Rumsfeld was or seemed to be in the middle of orchestrating these soon-to-be events at the time. Then we had the US going against sadam many years later. Fooled the people I would guess saying sadddam gasses his own people, to further perpetrate the need to continue to escalate the Iraq war.
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Thomas Denderbock - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 06:26:47 EST W1/S3GcB No.176392 Reply
>>176226
>But in North Korea we were taking steps to protect them from a mad man.
100% chance this gullible hamburger:
  1. Still believes in the tooth fairy
  2. Thought Saddam had WMDs and they would greet you as liberators
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Wesley Hippergold - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 09:13:07 EST UxSGvy17 No.176401 Reply
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>>176337
>he spends like 99% of his money on the military
Even if this were true, maybe he could be incentivised to save some of that money if we weren't constantly threatening him with wargames and sabre-rattling?
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Simon Sablingford - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 10:56:15 EST M/Ws53KS No.176407 Reply
>>176401

Just shows we could cut the US military budget by 300 billion and still be out-spending any other country in the world and still have an effective military force. At this point the military is the single biggest drain on the US budget and the funds could be diverted to so many other things to actually improve society.
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David Donnerwill - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 12:06:55 EST /MwhWfsN No.176408 Reply
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>>176392

Are you crazy? I said Bush was way worse than Saddam. Of course Saddam did not have WMDs. He was trying to move his oil off the dollar standard, so we squashed after he turned on his masters. Also the military industrial complex had been looking for excuses to destabilize the middle east for a long time so they could profit off endless war, these wars have nothing to do with keeping us safe, and everything to do with enriching the 0.1% richest members of society.

If they wanted to end terrorism, we'd stop obviously bombing them. It just breeds more hatred of America and thus more enemies. Of course we weren't greeted as
fucking liberators(where did I say that?). We burned down their country for profit.

Does nobody read a fucking thing I say in this thread?
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David Donnerwill - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 12:47:10 EST /MwhWfsN No.176409 Reply
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>>176401

My mistake. I remember seeing a documentary stating they spend every dime on military/nukes(they still waste enough to make their people suffer immensely though). It must of had errors in it.

But please, can we get my thread back on topic and drop this all before it gets to 500 with this nonsense? The point of it was to talk about Trump's crimes and how they relate to the news.
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John Chullyfield - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 13:35:07 EST KHpb/qsT No.176411 Reply
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>>176408
I think the implication is that your unskeptical acceptance of every single negative Western portrayal of NK sounds extremely similar to people who unskeptically accepted every negative Western portayal of Iraq in the lead up to the war. And the justification you give (we're protecting them from a mad man, for their own good) is identical to the justification for invading Iraq. And what we're trying to do to Venezuela, for that matter.

And the responses to people who have even the barest minimum skepticism now (wHy U dEfEnD nOrTh KoReA) are extremely similar to responses to people who were skeptical about WMDs, incubators and doing 9/11 (wHy U dEfEnD sAdDaM).

It's like, pattern recognition, right? Is it possibile for Americans to recognize the patterns of how their media manufactures consent? Is it possible for you recognize these patterns, or no?
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Rebecca Ponnerpark - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 19:35:16 EST fSlq9ETD No.176412 Reply
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>>176411
This is completely different dude. No one is saying falsely anything about NBC weapons--because NK already has nukes deployed. FFS they have concentration camps. I find it utterly bizarre how much you're defending them. Hell you can even see by satellite what kind of an absolute shithole they are, and as I have already pointed out, they have jailed, tortured, and killed Americans for the most minor infractions, like the kind of shit you wouldn't even think about doing in a normal country. Nobody is saying to invade NK--exactly because of all the reasons I already pointed out about their situation with China and our ICBMs, with their nuclear warheads, and with mountains of artillery aimed at major SK population centers.

I mean Jesus Christ dude get the fuck off your bizarre high horse about this, and moreover get fucked you fucking idiot poltard. This is a thread about Donald Trump being a criminal and a known pedophile.
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Basil Fuckingstone - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 19:48:29 EST YzHGXqax No.176413 Reply
>>176412
>NK already has nukes deployed. FFS they have concentration camps.
So do we.
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Edwin Saggleridge - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 21:00:42 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176414 Reply
>>176413
So, why are you defending concentration camps if you admit NK has them?
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Martin Crurringtire - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 21:35:55 EST YzHGXqax No.176416 Reply
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>>176414
You know that a lot of those children are being molested and shit, right? And several of them of died in those camps or just straight up disappeared, and those are just the ones that we're aware of. Even those that get lucky and avoid all that will have permanent psychological scarring from the experience.

So, why are you defending concentration camps if you admit America has them? Why are you defending child abuse?
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Edwin Saggleridge - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 22:18:48 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176419 Reply
>>176416
You didn't answer my question. You just said some random bullshit and then "no u". Answer my question. Why are you defending a nation that you admit uses concentration camps?
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Basil Blusslehood - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 19:54:11 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176476 Reply
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>>176419
Has there ever been a country that didn't have a concentration camp system at some point? Israel has them. Gaza City is practically an open air concentration camp, and the Israelis bomb those poor fuckers all the time, then wonder why Hamas has popular legitimacy. The US threw all the indigenous people here onto reservations, through violent force, and then still massacred them, while today the US builds pipelines through sacred indigenous lands, endangering not only the water of the indigenous but also the settler population's.

No one is defending the DPRK. What we're defending is a foreign policy that moves toward peaceful relations with the DPRK, an end to sanctions that contribute to the deaths of likely hundreds of thousands, and an end to a policy rooted in a cold war that was won about thirty years ago. Absolutely no one is claiming that the DPRK is just fine and dandy and beyond reproach. What we're claiming is that American foreign policy toward the DPRK has been a catastrophic failure even on its own terms, and that a policy which really promotes peace requires friendliness rather than aggression. It's not like what the DPRK does is beyond the pale for the US or its allies. That's all we're saying.
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Archie Snodbanks - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 00:40:20 EST ih0dbzfD No.176491 Reply
How the fuck is it not 100%
There are so many laws he clearly breaks, his supporters know it but they don’t care.
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Ernest Criddlenedge - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 19:06:25 EST /MwhWfsN No.176553 Reply
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>>176491

See >>173413

He's good at one thing. And only one thing. Manipulating nitwits. He's nowhere close to being a smart man, but he at least knows how to project an image of himself that seems smart to the poorly educated voters. And because of this he can get away with anything. During the campaign he even said "Boy I sure do love the poorly educated" on camera. Even when he mocks them to their face like this, they eat it up and take it as a compliment.

They also get all their information from conservative news sources, who are complete sycophants, loyal servants to Trump. The news anchors know he's a fucking moron when they talk about him behind his back off camera, but they do nothing but worship him on camera. Thats what they get paid to do. People who watch Fox News in this country are even less informed than people who watch no news at all. Hell yesterday a Texas teacher got fired for going on Twitter and begging Trump to get the immigrants out of her schools. His supporters are all easily manipulated anti-intellectuals. And they make America look really dumb in the eyes of the rest of the world.

And when I say manipulation is the ONLY thing he is good at, I'm being literal. Look at the picture. He doesn't even know how to dress himself.
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Nell Fepperhood - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 01:17:54 EST 0zQ7076A No.176556 Reply
>>176554
>*her school. not schools plural
The people's schools. Shchool district as a whole. Obviously not her school if she got fired. Good call calling on this. Common to try to make grammar correction with grammar mistakes. All is fail.
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Martin Cressleput - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 06:09:41 EST dbM7KxGC No.176562 Reply
>>176553
lol wtf is Trump's tailor trolling the fuck out of him or what?
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Matilda Pobberstone - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 13:36:21 EST 8c32w9KN No.176590 Reply
>>176562
It's Trump's vanity. He wore a size Large when he forcibly kissed crowned Miss America in the early 90s, so the tailor was wrong is he measured him as XXL.
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Caroline Peffingwater - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:54:19 EST /MwhWfsN No.176652 Reply
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What did he mean by this? They are 140 million miles apart.
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Caroline Peffingwater - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:58:51 EST /MwhWfsN No.176653 Reply
>>176652

3 weeks ago he was excited about going to the moon. Now an hour after a Fox News host says we shouldn't go, he rage tweets about the moon being stupid. That just shows how easily manipulated he is and how fragile his mental state is.
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Nigel Tillingshit - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:08:16 EST g+vb2gyp No.176655 Reply
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>>176652
Maybe someone explained that a moon base is a potential part of a mars mission and he's using it the same way, completely out of context?

I mean surely he knows the difference between mars and the moon
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Molly Shittingwater - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:42:01 EST F1Z7XELz No.176660 Reply
>>176655
>I mean surely he knows the difference between mars and the moon

Regardless, he does not make sense. He explaind 'we' would go to the moon before the end of his term. Now it''s? What even.

We should visit the moon again. i say do it for a low cost, with comparable equipment to the original. Of course with updated technology we have learned
and have developed.
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Molly Shittingwater - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 02:42:28 EST F1Z7XELz No.176662 Reply
>>176660
Really, we have the space shuttle. Awesome achievement. Was due to be de-comissioned long ago. Still going though.

The only viable means to makes Trumps 'space military' happen would be to make an initial and costly massive lunar base to fortify his vision. It will not happen. Trump; ehh, 50 years ago. Not gonna happen.
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Molly Shittingwater - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 03:17:50 EST F1Z7XELz No.176663 Reply
>>173405
>Not just a dishonest businessman. He's also a business failure.

I disagree, with the failure part. He is extremely incompetent, yes.
But that is what seems to make him successful. Corporations do
this all the time. Can you actually blame the top, when the top is
unaccountable.

Here; blame Bush for the Iraq war and all that failed. Yet, many
corporate interests made massive amounts of money from
the venture.
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Henry Blenningville - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 09:52:13 EST KetzL85W No.176667 Reply
>>176663
>He is extremely incompetent, yes. But that is what seems to make him successful. Corporations do this all the time. Can you actually blame the top, when the top is unaccountable?
No, he is objectively a failed business man. Trump Hotels, Trump Steaks, GoTrump.com, Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka, Trump Mortgage, Trump: The Game, Trump Magazine, Trump University, Trump Ice, Tour De Trump, Trump On The Ocean, The Trump Network, Trumped! Radio Show, Trump New Media, and The New Jersey Generals US Football Team all failed under his leadership.

Trump has never succeeded as a businessman in any way, and frankly, you're conflating being a rich trust-fund baby with being a successful businessman.
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Archie Bardstone - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 02:34:31 EST FFbU4yYN No.176672 Reply
>>176667
Concerning the Iraq war. Bush and Co called it a "catastrophic success."

I really don't see Trumps failures really hitting him hard in the pocketbook.

His daddy left him X amount of money back when. His idea of hiding his
taxes deals and other venturers, surely something would show not just
incompetence, but a defined pattern.

His deal (I believe) is let some sink, if it works to move money around.

If he or rather 'it' was to be the absolute decision maker of a popular
fast food chain. To do it honestly, no he would not be capable of doing
so. No, he couldn't possibly do it correctly.

He is about moving money.
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Edward Choddlelock - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:54:56 EST gqdJTQSS No.176685 Reply
>>176672
That's because none of us knows what his pocketbook even looks like and to this day he is fi vg hunting subpoenas trying to look at it.
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Simon Pucklespear - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:30:41 EST /MwhWfsN No.176725 Reply
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Trump is currently threatening to sue democrats if they pursue impeachment. As if sue is the only verb he knows.

He's terrified that democrats are going to start an impeachment inquiry. Trump only threatens to sue people when he screwed up. . he only threatens to sue people when he knows they're going to expose something bad. He tried to sue people for accusing him of sexual assault, and those lawsuits are being thrown out, he's losing. Donald Trump always resorts to lawsuits when he has nothing else to go on. Just the fact that he's even considering it, that he's threatening it, shows you how terrified he is.

The lawsuit would get thrown out because he has no standing. He has no grounds to file any legal complaint against democrats doing something they're allowed, able and willing to do. You simply can't do that. There's no remedy in the constitution for the president to sue the party that runs the house that opens an impeachment inquiry.

You would file the suit, and it would immediately get tossed out, probably even by your sycophants on the US Supreme Court.
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Jarvis Numblestone - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:59:29 EST 7YGLoLRn No.176726 Reply
>>176725
>There's no remedy in the constitution for the president to sue the party that runs
>the house that opens an impeachment inquiry.

Law can be tested. But in reality what is his possible test. I do not see any damage inflicted by democrats. To his-self or to; Republican Party Vs. Democratic Party.

In his tweets, I would like to see a possible scenario. He has posed many, but none have even passed the nothing test, to even bring a suit forward.
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Polly Sizzleneck - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:07:20 EST 0qXLAXhM No.176728 Reply
If you're going to keep bumping this thread then you should really acknowledge that Pelosi has committed herself to never, ever try to hold him accountable for anything.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/04/hold-lawless-president-account-nearly-30-groups-urge-pelosi-start-trump-impeachment

Like, keep circlejerking about Trump's crimes all you want but as long as the opposition leader keeps literally working to protect him none of this makes any fucking difference.
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Angus Debberlut - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:27:20 EST /MwhWfsN No.176847 Reply
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>>176728

Yes Nancy Pelosi is a bitch and almost everybody here knows it.

The possible impeachment might even be a win-win in Trump's mind for all we know. He craves the drama that comes with impeachment. He's a drama addict. If he does get impeached (a subject he seems to love constantly bringing up in conversations unprovoked), he gets to do what he loves most, play the victim. He'll get to be a martyr forever, and go on Fox News and other conservative media to bitch about it for the rest of his life. And conservitards will view him as a hero.

Maybe thats what she's afraid of.
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Martha Blammlefuck - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 21:03:12 EST +8irr0Qf No.176853 Reply
>>176847
The problem is all the bootlicking ass kisser Republican retards will not do it. He could rape a child in front of everyone and only a handful of GOP senators would even consider voting against that. They have proven that the majority of the party has no standard, no scruple, no moral. You seem to forget they were backing that corrupt Alabama judge pedophile not too long ago. Which brings up interesting questions of US legal theory on what to do when an entire party has become totally lawless and is unwilling to uphold their constitutionally mandated duties. Pelosi probably also has some deal worked out with Trump too. They seem to have a weird public relationship. For all we know they are boning behind scenes.
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Graham Crinningworth - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 01:01:07 EST DXSqXwCG No.176858 Reply
>>176847
Nancy Pelosi Kinda screwed things up. A moment in time can make anybody look strange. She is quiet so, she cannot seem to do her job. She had strong talk in the past. She was working.
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David Grandway - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 18:00:51 EST YzHGXqax No.176876 Reply
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>>176875
If you're the kind of baby boomer who takes the Pentagon as gospel, I guess.
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Walter Clizzlefuck - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 20:01:05 EST /MwhWfsN No.176878 Reply
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>>176876

Yeah I agree the Pentagon is the biggest terrorist faction in the world. But this isn't another one of the all to typical case of manipulating the American people to their own ends. This is about them covering their own asses.

This and climate change are the only things they warn us about that isn't a lie.
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Henry Dubblesodge - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 20:14:21 EST QgwvDyjp No.176879 Reply
>>176878
Kind of tangentially related but the USA recently released an updated arctic policy paper, and it strips every reference to climate change except for the Department of Defense reports which go into excruciating detail how climate change is affecting their operations and existing installations.

The pentagon is one of the few parts of the US government left you can expect some non-bullshit information to come out of, at least when it comes to covering their own asses
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Lillian Cuttinghall - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 20:42:19 EST 4scaaRdR No.176880 Reply
>>176879

yeah the navy adopted a pretty smart way to navigate the bullshit. their public policy is "we don't discuss climate change, we discuss ocean rise, which we can measure"
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Phyllis Minderham - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 06:42:14 EST tlilhxRg No.176892 Reply
>>176878
You do realise reality is a lot more grey?

The BIGGEST powerplayer in America's political game that's arguing in FAVOUR for trying to fix climate change is...

...yup, the Pentagon. Because when the Pentagon isn't planning on how to maintain the World Emperor status of the USA, they're planning the future resource wars and political instability due to climate change, and they're expecting a shitton of wars. Enough wars for the Pentagon to just go against the hairs of that fat orange cunt.
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Charlotte Brandlefield - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 14:24:57 EST 8c32w9KN No.177969 Reply
>>177965
>Trump told Ivanka to release a sex tape to boost his penis her career.
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Rebecca Greengold - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 15:53:19 EST 5yhACa6y No.177970 Reply
>>177965
Ivanka checked in for the big leagues. Imagine having such a fucked up dad and upbringing. Either you tune out like Tiffany did or you tune in and just roll with the crazy because apparently that's what works these days.
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Ian Pickford - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 06:31:58 EST V6+X45Hy No.178496 Reply
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Trump is a grandma
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Matilda Gickleman - Sat, 05 Oct 2019 06:51:39 EST yAGS4jrA No.179673 Reply
>>179670
What the fuck is all this shit? Just bumping threads with diatribes against America? I'll save everyone some time, it's not related to the thread. It's a bot.
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George Pockdock - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 22:34:26 EST wFK2Hm63 No.179854 Reply
>>179853
At least they acknowledged him. I don't think the media even mentioned Gloria LaRiva once even though she was the candidate for one of the larger alternative parties.
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Nell Socklefune - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 00:42:59 EST +8irr0Qf No.179860 Reply
>>179853
I already knew Biden was getting nomination long ago. Bernie will be ignored and shafted just like Ron Paul was in 2012. I also am pretty certain Biden is controlled in same way Trump was controlled which is by having proof of him fucking underage girls and molesting 15 year olds. Well, to be fair Biden probably only molested kids instead of violently raping them like Trump definitely did.

Why do more people not go out and spread awareness of this? https://www.scribd.com/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits

But any rate, Biden I already knew would run and would be handed nomination by DNC. I think it quite rich what USAians have to say about Russia being this dictatorship shithole with no democracy and fake elections. This is true about Russia, but it's this complete joke to be hearing anyone from USA say it. USA is by far biggest monkey joke of country. I have no idea why in fuck chinabot is even here except maybe it is tweaking algorithms for other audiences because nobody in their right sane mind actually disagrees with it in terms of USA being some puppet state shithole ruled by two arms of same Satanic great beast to disguise fact it is yes indeed third world dictatorship shithole ran by corporations.

There really is no difference between Russia and USA at all when it comes to politics. This fact should depress you immensely. I'd say you should do something about that as USA dweller, but we already knowing it is heavily militarized police state and nothing can get done without large defections of military, and should that ever happen it will be worse nightmare than Syria ever was and immediately all countries over whole world will begin interfering with US civil war 2, which would be quite funny to see given justice of what was done to Syria.

Canadians and Europeans wouldnt care to say because all such thing is obviously true and they know it but you USA dwellers should know this and be very depressed. At least in Russia everybody already knows it is basically dictatorship with sham elections decided by ruling party owned by top oligarchs who all are evil treasonous thieves. Well, except many dumb bydlo but such things can't be helped.
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Fucking Gondlenat - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 03:22:36 EST DnQ32w8b No.179944 Reply
Kinda impossible to have discussions here anymore. Just saying.
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Kirtaner !Ub4TCdRjOM - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 03:33:16 EST G0SBT5P3 No.179945 Reply
>>179944
why, because we delete spam posts from a chinese propaganda bot?
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Jarvis Nurringdale - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 05:34:47 EST XA6VcPCV No.179948 Reply
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>>179945
It's like these people have never encountered internet spam before.
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Isabella Fungerfoot - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 06:58:12 EST qA/aKzF4 No.179951 Reply
>>179948
Look at the thread you posted in numnuts. It's been two days since there's been any authentic content in it. That spambot was half the traffic on the board. This is especially bad for a chan website that uses bumps instead of threaded messages to display and order content. The actual authentic users get drowned out on a website like this in a few days, whereas in newsgroups or forums it can take weeks before anyone ever sees the copypasta.
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Fucking Gondlenat - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 12:55:45 EST DnQ32w8b No.179957 Reply
>>179951
Plus, there are so many people who actually reply to that bot. The only thing worse than replying to a bad-faith automation is having your stupidity broadcast to everyone observing. This in turn makes people into radar detectors because they themselves don't want to humiliated. I think it's completely the fault of the bot and the users that reply to it, but even when there is only one idiot who responds it, that bot's signal gets amplified three-fold.
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John Gallyridge - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 15:28:15 EST g+vb2gyp No.179958 Reply
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>>179957
Yeah, how will society cope if dangerous subversive messages like "Ann Coulter bangs black dudes" and "blacksmithing is illegal in America" get amplified?
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Cornelius Nasslefit - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 07:35:29 EST qWBsIEn2 No.179969 Reply
>>179958
If you don't know how repetitive messaging works then just don't worry about it. Sit back and scroll.
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Nicholas Drillywell - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 08:58:38 EST XA6VcPCV No.179971 Reply
>>179969
If you repeat "blacksmithing is illegal" enough then eventually society collapses and Eastern hordes pour over the border. This is known.

Ths is just History 101, guys, why aren't you getting scared?
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Nicholas Drillywell - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:39:40 EST XA6VcPCV No.179979 Reply
>>179978
>all marketing is effective
>there is no such thing as poorly targetted or ineffective marketing
>all marketing is so good that 100% guarantee you can topple hegemonic global superpower police states just by spamming stoners about blacksmithing and Ann Coulter's pussy
Okay, schizo.
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Shitting Mammerhood - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:12:39 EST DnQ32w8b No.179980 Reply
>>179958
>"Ann Coulter bangs black dudes" and "blacksmithing is illegal in America"

Those aren't bot messages and aren't the statements being amplified.

If I reply to a bot's three paragraph long auto-formatted screed with "HAHA DICK CHEESE", it's not my reply that gets amplified, it's the bot's message.

For a non-bot related and unintentional example of what I'm talking about see how >>179969 responded to you without a critical understanding of your ill-formed conceit, and was then responded to by >>179971, who unknowingly echoed this falsely supported conceit of yours that the bot messages being eschewed weren't page-long hilariously automated response but rather a series of pithy rejoinder clauses from irreverent bystanders.

I'm not going to get into ulterior motives, but what comes through is equal parts derision and ego. You've taken on an offense that was directed towards a bot that has no feelings. You're foolishly commiserating with the automated messages designed to insight you as if you yourself were falling under criticism.

>Yeah, how will society cope if dangerous subversive messages like "Ann Coulter bangs black dudes" and "blacksmithing is illegal in America" get amplified?
Say what you mean and present your views objectively instead of showing off your impatience and impotent frustration with me.
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Shitting Mammerhood - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:20:36 EST DnQ32w8b No.179982 Reply
>>179978
>>179979

Nobody was spamming messages about Ann Coulter or Blacksmithing. Those were one-off, retaliatory-at-best joke clauses from disinterested observers of the now deleted bot spam.

What is interesting is the permeation of its effects even with the spam deleted. It showcases a cause and effect relationship whereby the passive observation of spam messages can exert influence enough to rift communication. The differences in individuals' timelines whereby an experience of board-based events and moderator actions occurs or doesn't occur, imparts an oft-repeated, discernible-yet-incalculable consequence on the perception of common ground.
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Shitting Brondlestock - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:34:23 EST E2Yofruj No.179984 Reply
At this point the only thing that would remotely shock me is something along the lines of trump physically attacking a reporter during chopper talk, then literally shitting himself, stripping naked and then fling his dirty underwear at the camera.

His core supporters would still see that as completely fine tho.
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Caroline Brookbury - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 07:06:05 EST y+gXBYCv No.180068 Reply
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>>180056
Busy boy. This one's a variant.
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Henry Claycocke - Mon, 21 Oct 2019 07:54:29 EST q3+6WyKR No.180186 Reply
>>180184
>yellow vests
>protesting tyranny

get your licks in on the americans all you want, but don't lie
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Jenny Grimshit - Wed, 23 Oct 2019 03:19:47 EST 9/97TSDO No.180239 Reply
>>173355
That's no good that he didn't poll that well in that poll. In a way, it's impossible to guarantee polling well in all polls. This indicates that's it's not no doubt bad that he didn't do well in this poll. lol People will always speak ill of people when they're in politics. How nice it would be to be free of complications from people. But this is what people will do in these situations, it is observed. Unless we get the ridiculous safe space conditions certain people want in the cohntry, that's not going anywhere. lol
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Phineas Dullerlock - Fri, 25 Oct 2019 06:16:01 EST Lhh1/shd No.180309 Reply
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>>180303
That's sloppy work, Chang. Learn to hide your flag.
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Cedric Guttingforth - Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:51:21 EST 7JoJFPdO No.180316 Reply
>>180315
I'll do what the fuck I want lol fuck off if you don't like it.
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Archie Bruddlekare - Sat, 26 Oct 2019 09:05:53 EST E2Yofruj No.180371 Reply
>>180325
Oh Reuben, do you notice one is not like the other?
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Nathaniel Gunningkat - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 07:07:27 EST OwkZgxqQ No.180475 Reply
>>180468
I think chinabot is reading cliffsnotes on who esch group he talks about is

You sound tired chinabot. Have some tea. Your bosses aren't looking. Brew good tea and think of your ancestors.
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Henry Haggleshit - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:45:18 EST DnQ32w8b No.180484 Reply
>>180476
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Ernest Grandwill - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:22:13 EST fSlq9ETD No.180506 Reply
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>>180476
Hey, this guy is actually sending us coded messages. He clearly sympathizes with Hong Kong independence movement. You can see how he cleverly disguises his criticism of Xi's tyrannical China and how Xi government is bunch of tyrants, not just to non-Han minority, but even to majority Han people too.

We must listen to this dissidents messages. Tell us more about horrible state of living in China under Xi and how you yearn for freedom and lucky prosperity for self and family like independent Hong Kong.
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Ernest Grandwill - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:23:51 EST fSlq9ETD No.180507 Reply
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>>180506
Imagine living in own home with prosperous Hong Kong family and life free of fear and worry. Imagine being like Westerners, and at peace. At peace inside, at peace outside. Happy. Prosperous. Never worrying about future for children you love and knowing they will be happy free and prosperous too.
Just imagine that.
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Samuel Blatherspear - Thu, 31 Oct 2019 00:51:14 EST +8irr0Qf No.180517 Reply
>>180509
I love how chinabot manages to say many things all agree on, but then this nonsense

>Americans don't mind if there is forfeiture because Muslims and sex offenders exist.
xaxaxa what
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Shit Becklespear - Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:07:59 EST RzBXYqIb No.180520 Reply
>>180517
>I love how propaganda entices me by stroking something I like
>then hooks me with something I hate
>then uses that momentum to drive me toward opinions I wouldn't otherwise have or to make connections I wouldn't otherwise make
Why do you love it tho?
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Nigel Wuddledock - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 13:03:51 EST qFtXSnUb No.180661 Reply
>>180550
>Silence means consent.

THATS WHAT I SAID WHEN SHE WAS UNCONSCIOUS LOLOLOL
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Henry Dadgeherk - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 14:54:38 EST r8T3LlPs No.180663 Reply
>>180550
>Stop paying taxes
And how does one do that exactly? How does one do that and survive?
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Graham Nicklebury - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 16:40:24 EST +caSzARK No.180664 Reply
>>180550
>Don't get marriage licenses, birth certificates, business licenses, passports, driver licenses, or fishing licenses.

i dont know about you but i dont want no untrained jackass behind a wheel without a license

fuck off china bot
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Priscilla Pazzletet - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 22:04:34 EST +8irr0Qf No.180671 Reply
>>180664
>business license
>fishing license
>marriage license
But why? Do USAians get taught how to fish, how to make business, how to fuck and make children through government classes?
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Phineas Wunningbanks - Mon, 04 Nov 2019 01:08:23 EST wFK2Hm63 No.180672 Reply
>>180671
This isn't the only country with those things, dingus. We live in a society.
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Jarvis Bepperbanks - Mon, 04 Nov 2019 07:00:16 EST fz29xY/g No.180675 Reply
>>180671
We actually live in a society. Only poor people want maximum freedom to open a business wherever they want. They don't understand what the middle class understands - there's always someone richer and there are very very few laws set up to protect you from them. Business licenses are one.
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Matilda Crundlemare - Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:34:36 EST 62uAB2VK No.180676 Reply
>>180675
Licensing is actually a way to protect large mega companies from small start ups actually. It raises the bar to entry substantially, so much so that you already have to be sympathetic to the owning class to do it. Fishing licenses and such make it so that a homeless guy can no longer fish and live off the land providing for himself without being arrested. Organic licensing is the same issue. It costs so much money to be licensed as "organic" that small time farmers cannot afford to do it, and meanwhile the rules are such that larger conglomerates can openly flout these rules so much so that "cage free" "free range" and "organic" are all relatively meaningless and you're still eating pesticide and hormone laden garbage from factory farms with minimal changes and at vastly inflated markups in such a manner that even if you do afford it as a small time farmer you still get fucked by the major conglomerates.

It's a similar thing as with why big tobacco was not only okay with but sometimes the active force behind things like banning flavored cigarettes (except notably menthol) and banning advertising because all it ultimately hurt was the competitors to big name tobacco companies.

Licensing fees for everything hurts the little guy and helps the big corporation. Hell, it's all those shitty IP deals that large corporations also wield like a sword against competitors.
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Jarvis Bepperbanks - Mon, 04 Nov 2019 12:14:42 EST fz29xY/g No.180678 Reply
>>180676
Nothing about the business licensing process is a barrier to entry for the kinds of companies that are regulated under their specific license category, this is a foundational component of business self-regulation. Where do you live where it's not this way?
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Ernest Werrywill - Mon, 04 Nov 2019 18:39:14 EST fxZPTs+O No.180682 Reply
>>180676
This is only sometimes true. Fishing licenses in my state (Louisiana) are less than $10. No agents are running around trying to prevent homeless people from fishing and selling their catch or living off of it, least of all in the country where police are spread thin. Police will kill homeless people with impunity, so if you want to know what's really keeping the homeless down, check out the doings of your local police department and avert ye gaze from the licensing regime.
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Cyril Nenninghood - Mon, 04 Nov 2019 21:05:05 EST wFK2Hm63 No.180683 Reply
>>180676
Fishing licenses help manage fish populations. In every state where invasive carp species are present it's not only legal to fish for them without a license, in some places it's encouraged and rewarded with cash. The department of Fish and Wildlife will sometimes pay people for the removal of invasive species. Where I live there is a fish called a snakehead that they were paying between $5 and $10 for and there was a story in the paper about a guy that made a little over $50k that year from doing nothing but fishing and doing paper work.

Nice try with the smooth transition from basic natural resource management to big tobacco to try and draw a false parallel, you're a smooth libertarian.
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Ian Dillylock - Mon, 04 Nov 2019 21:25:54 EST fSlq9ETD No.180684 Reply
>>180682
$10 is insane amount of money to homeless person. Also, not every homeless person has valid identification papers which I assuming is needed thing for licenses. So, I would say yes this is indirect way to keep homeless down and sabotage anything contrary to Satanic Capitalist system.
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Cyril Nenninghood - Mon, 04 Nov 2019 21:53:37 EST wFK2Hm63 No.180685 Reply
>>180684
And the stores that sell poles, hooks, lures and bait all have their boot on the necks of the homeless for wanting money in return for the one thing keeping homeless people from being successes, ready access to fresh caught local fish.
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Sophie Drollerkadging - Tue, 05 Nov 2019 13:49:06 EST +8irr0Qf No.180695 Reply
>>180685
You don't need to buy all such crap to fish. You also don't need fishing licenses. What next, you ask for license to watch TV too?
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Fuck Sannerstock - Tue, 05 Nov 2019 14:23:19 EST vJzt15Nj No.180696 Reply
>>180695
>laughs in British
Though I don't watch TV OR pay for a nationalised neolib mouthpiece.
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Esther Billingwell - Tue, 05 Nov 2019 17:17:53 EST dZDaQqJv No.180699 Reply
>>180695
You can fish for carp, which are invasive and were brought here for the purpose of food, without a license. The fish that need to have their populations managed to ensure their survival and fish that are farm raised and stocked by state fish and wildlife into ponds both cost money to function. If it's not maintained through fees taxes will have to go up or the programs will be dismantled. I would rather have a sustainable salmon population than your very real homeless guy with ready access to waterfront property that contains only sport fish and literally not other means to feed himself. That seems like a corner you have to work pretty hard to get yourself into, maybe they can get help from social services in jail, I don't know and I don't care, the fish are more important to me.
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Betsy Brammerdock - Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:34:22 EST vJzt15Nj No.180729 Reply
>>180700
Yeah, they're a mouthpiece for the Tory party who love privatising natural monopolies, letting the poor die to give tax cuts to the rich and so on.

For some reason I had some shit about social equality caught up in that too. Modern neolibs often don't discriminate by gender, sexuality, disability race etc, they just want the rich to enslave the subhuman poor but that's not actually part of the neolib deal. Just how they pretend they give a shit about people.
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Frederick Cennerstedging - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:00:49 EST +8irr0Qf No.181078 Reply
>>181076
I now know Chinese have private fear rogue PLA units will be commanded to liquidate Chinese villages like done to Uighur. If it can happen to Uighur Chinese citizen why not other Chinese as well? Do Han truly think they safe?
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Martha Buzzford - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:37:00 EST uJ1UMTRI No.181082 Reply
>>181080
They're also often convinced they are the most free people on the planet and so forth. Many of them don't know enough about the rest of the world to make comparisons and thus learn from them. Plenty of them do of course but they tend to be rather despondent about the whole thing as opposed to hopeful.
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Polly Monningwin - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:38:15 EST +8irr0Qf No.181083 Reply
>>181080
So Chinese people are complacent? Do all Chinese think everything is fine while millions of Chinese sent to concentration camps? Do you think everything is fine in China?
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Charlotte Buncocke - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:17:28 EST Oi89F67V No.181089 Reply
>>181083

yeah its pretty good actually.

you try keeping that many people under control with a stagnant economy and an oligarchy to feed
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Polly Chillerkotch - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 07:45:51 EST hCAKuWBQ No.181092 Reply
>>181091
EVERYBODY SING!!

We didn't start the fire... It was always burning since the world's been turning...
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Polly Chillerkotch - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 07:56:23 EST hCAKuWBQ No.181094 Reply
>>181093
Yooo! Singing:

He didn't clear his clipboard!
And he's from the land of too much propaganda...
He didn't clear his clipboard!
Yeah you know they fudge it when you're on a budget...

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