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- Wed, 01 May 2019 01:17:42 EST VjbP5tfK No.175316
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The last one died. Never again!

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/charlotte/news/2019/04/30/active-shooter-reported-at-uncc
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Frederick Soddlefod - Thu, 02 May 2019 17:26:14 EST F5H504lp No.175339 Reply
Thank the Christian God the NRA fights for the right for white men to murder people for no reason, and then lobbies hard against the possibility of researching why it happens or how to prevent it.
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Beatrice Wonderdock - Thu, 02 May 2019 18:20:19 EST 4k1Gq5EQ No.175341 Reply
>>175316
I really need to get an AR before all these assholes ruin guns for the rest of us.
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Phoebe Darthood - Thu, 02 May 2019 18:51:18 EST +8irr0Qf No.175345 Reply
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>>175339
The NRA are just scum
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-nra-idUSKCN1S30EQ
Started out as something possibly nice but soon got corrupted into the absolute worst shit with absolute worst people. If Ollie North is there you just know it's fucking evil or criminal.

I mean I actually have the same problem with most movements or lobbying groups. Like I don't support big pharma, but sadly one of the big voices against them and psychiatric bullshit is scifaggotry, and that cult is even fucking worse. Or PETA, which supports sane, reasonable premises of being decent beings to non-human beings, then acts like it only exists to discredit people advocating for humane treatment of animals, and PETA fucking abducts people's dogs to murder them https://www.dogster.com/the-scoop/did-peta-abduct-kill-virginia-mans-dog
>Wilbur Cerate says two PETA workers came to his home and took his daughter's Chihuahua. Three days later, PETA told him the dog was dead.
I mean, this is just some ridiculous shit. I'm not aware of the SPCA acting like that. It's almost like the main corporate groups and lobbyists took over these activist groups as black propaganda, and that includes the NRA, which of course would not argue for the right of a black man to carry a semi-automatic rifle as his constitutional right, nor fight for say right to carry switchblades, because it's nothing but just another gutted out lobbying whore.
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Fucking Cliffinggold - Thu, 02 May 2019 19:43:27 EST VjbP5tfK No.175348 Reply
>>175341
you need it to protect yourself from other gun owners it seems.
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Ernest Biffingnick - Thu, 02 May 2019 19:54:59 EST tlilhxRg No.175349 Reply
>>175348
There's actually a growing vocal community of American gun owners who will happily accept European-style firearms regulations before American society as a whole becomes so sick of gun violence they ban them altogether.
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Angus Cluffingdad - Thu, 02 May 2019 20:01:27 EST IqbmRvo8 No.175350 Reply
>>175339
The NRA is in deep shit for turning on gun owners, acting like a mafia under tax-exempt status, and laundering Russian money to the Trump Administration. The NRA is likely about to fold and has been hemorrhaging members since they pushed for a bumpstock ban through illegal means by circumventing congressional action and using an Executive arm of the Federal Government which has no oversight. Only the uninformed or paid shills support the NRA at this point.

But that still doesn't mean your right to self-defense should be bludgeoned by rich fucks who literally hate your existence and everything you are save for the fact that you give them your money. The NRA needs to be utterly levied at this point by the legal system for the utter sham and scumfucks that they are but that action shouldn't be taken lightly because Republicans don't support your gun rights only the NRA's money. Democrats most certainly don't support your rights either but at least they don't lie about it.

I don't like quotes but I'll use one here. Americans have the unique responsibility of voting from the Soap Box, the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, and the Ammo box. And in that order as well.

>Sadly, there is just too much money in this game to ever make things right or progress towards a better world.

The NRA will soon be crushed by their greed, the faux support will evaporate overnight just as the lobbying will, and 1 shooting away will cause a nationwide ban that will slowly encroach as more and more shootings keep happening. They want every means of self-defense gone. A guy with a revolver can go into a crowded classroom and kill 30 people while locked in there. There won't ever be a way to stop it and there is too much ammo and weapons in this country to ever make a difference. It is literally hopeless at this point. The good people will get fucked. The bad people will get fucked. Innocents will die, and we are all a slave to death. Power will shift endlessly and eternally as the players of the game make it to the top and fall to the bottom. I guess we just have to be thankful we got to experience it all. Or so an optimist tells me.
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Rebecca Shakeshit - Fri, 03 May 2019 11:15:35 EST PyjZunWF No.175359 Reply
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>>175349
According to Gallup, most Americans want more strict gun control. The problem is lawmakers are more beholden to the gun lobby than their constituents.
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Matilda Chussleworth - Fri, 03 May 2019 13:52:52 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175362 Reply
>>175359
Lol @ the "less strict" bump under Obama which collapsed under Trump. Conservatives stopped giving a fuck about gun rights whenever the black communist Muslim bogeyman left office. The only principled supporters of gun rights in this country are the anarchists and communists.
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Eugene Pickforth - Fri, 03 May 2019 14:59:05 EST 4k1Gq5EQ No.175365 Reply
>>175348
I’m more worried about the militarized police state we live in than I am my neighbor.
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Cedric Greenbury - Fri, 03 May 2019 16:16:26 EST +8irr0Qf No.175366 Reply
>>175362
>The only principled supporters of gun rights in this country are the anarchists and communists.
And this is exactly why they're going to ban guns eventually and it's definitely going to be some dumbass cocksucker like Trump who does it with his braindead cult supporting him because he said Mexicans or negroes or whoever might have guns so we should fucking ban them, and they will suck that dick and they will love it.
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Augustus Clirringson - Fri, 03 May 2019 16:26:14 EST M7a+E1Bb No.175368 Reply
>>175366
You fags lose your guns, rightards lose their platforms good trade?
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Cedric Greenbury - Fri, 03 May 2019 16:56:34 EST +8irr0Qf No.175370 Reply
>>175368
Shall. Not. Be. Infringed. And I'm a Socialist btw. The problem is the right wing is the other end of the bell curve so they believe all the lies and bullshit and spin. I'm not saying people like Pelosi and Clinton aren't enemies of 2A either I don't support that shit at all. But what I am saying is, the floodgates for immigrants were opened by Reagan. Gun bans were done under Reagan. Obamacare was a revised version of Romneycare from MA. It is the Republicans who keep ballooning the federal deficit. These people are blind bootlickers and too dense to understand they're voting in the enemy. To quote Trump "these people are stupid!"
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Matilda Briffingdock - Fri, 03 May 2019 17:07:32 EST JmEFYI4c No.175371 Reply
>>175370
>I'm not saying people like Pelosi and Clinton aren't enemies of 2A either
What is a person like pelosi and Clinton as it relates to the second amendment?
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Archie Backlekadge - Fri, 03 May 2019 17:15:19 EST fpo1elCK No.175372 Reply
>>175366
>>Mexicans or negroes or whoever might have guns so we should fucking ban them, and they will suck that dick
That's...an unrealistic scenario. Right wingers would give up their guns to prevent left wingers from having guns? By their own logic, then only the left-wingers would have guns ('if you take away guns from the good people only the bad people have them') and that's a nightmare scenario to them. I think 'gun' is the most essential trigger word for the paranoid reactionary, it underlies everything else, I think you would have to strip away all other elements of the ideology before you could get to that. Like, they would give up racism and boot-licking before guns, because if they can keep the guns subconsciously they know they still can enforce their personal racism/bootlick if it comes time t' stand thar ground.

If non-conservative groups start taking up arms en masse (which they should!) what I think is much more likely to happen is an attempt to introduce political litmus tests for gun owners. They will start by saying ISIS sympathizers shouldn't be allowed to own guns, that's the easiest in-road. They will leverage right-to-refuse-service laws and propagandize to gun sellers that it's their patriotic duty to refuse to sell guns to anyone who doesn't look murican enough. The US gun industry is facing serious financial headwinds right now and is under threat of collapse; if it came down to it, I bet the GOP would be willing to subsidize the whole thing (using party, not public funds, which would be its whole own boondoggle) out of a realization that it already is their PR operation, which would make it even easier for gun sellers to swallow lost sales to enforce a 'soft' ban on anyone they disagree with owning guns.
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Fuck Doffingman - Fri, 03 May 2019 17:31:01 EST UkOHlUfL No.175373 Reply
>>175372
Offload to the NRA, private means they can do anything like two consenting adults.
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Cedric Greenbury - Fri, 03 May 2019 18:42:18 EST +8irr0Qf No.175374 Reply
>>175372
They are only fearful when they don't think that they're in control. If they own the branches of government like they did in 2016-2018 again and some fuckwit tells them some bullshit about we have to keep guns in the hands only of god fearing American soldiers and police and away from the Mexicans and negroes, especially after some black kid or Mexican shoots up idk a football stadium, they're all going to march in lockstep to have them banned if a guy like Tr*mp tells them to. Just look at how he went back on numerous promises and showed his true colors and they suck his dick anyway. Hell, the guy is a fucking hardcore Zionist and the neonazi contingent of faggots still supports him. He's the sleaziest serial adulterer and Evangelicals love him. You are VASTLY overestimating their intelligence and independence. They are anti-critical thinking. I promise you, if a guy like Trump whips up the fear and hysteria they are all going to support a gun ban.
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Graham Buzzbury - Fri, 03 May 2019 21:09:41 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175376 Reply
>>175372
The movement conservatives don't give a fuck about guns so long as laws can be introduced that keep black militants and communists repressed and disarmed. Original gun control bills were enacted by Republican legislatures out of this very fear:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
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Angus Cucklelore - Fri, 03 May 2019 21:26:25 EST fpo1elCK No.175377 Reply
>>175374
I think you're vastly underestimating how entrenched they are ideologically, you need to have more insight into their mindset and how they see the next chapter of world history unfolding. Apocalyptism is the thing for all sides nowadays, and when the narrative conservatives have been told for decades on decades is 'the government is going to come to take your guns,' they will never accept someone who says just that. Remember, [redacted] was able to pretty much trample any christian norms as long as he paid them lip service (mostly by sperging about 'merry christmas') but the second he slightly misspoke on the issue of gun rights, the next day he was in Wayne LaPierre's office and very carefully choosing his words on twitter. It was never really about religion, evangelicals marriage to the GOP was more ad hoc and relatively recent, but it has always really been about force and who has the right to wield it. And what incentive would they have to disrupt a system that is clearly working quite well for them? I mean, if you are supportive of gun rights in general I'm sure you know what ammosexuals are like, we have a /nra/, have you been to a red state? That's not the temperature of the water, man.
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Angus Cucklelore - Fri, 03 May 2019 21:36:38 EST fpo1elCK No.175378 Reply
>>175376
>>Movement conservatism
Is not a thing any more, their dickless response to becoming Orange T's bitch proves that. You can't really just look back to prior party systems and claim that because they're called 'Democratic' or 'Republican' that they're really the same caucuses of people. By that notion, democrats are eugenicists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_eras_of_the_United_States
The sixth party system most of us grew up in is over. Throw out your playbooks people, the 7th is here to stay. nb4dp
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Nathaniel Duggledock - Fri, 03 May 2019 21:52:20 EST IqbmRvo8 No.175379 Reply
>>175377
Except most average gun owners love Trump still despite him pushing for red-flag laws which bypass all due process and ban a constitutional right which is blatantly illegal. And Trump went through an executive branch to make illegal a legal item without any congressional approval and forced Americans to destroy or turn in their own legal property with no compensation. All of this is a legal fucking shitshow and pisses on 200 years of civil and property rights already established.

>But then again, what has the Trump administration done that wasn't a blatant disregard on 200 years worth of legal tradition and progress.

Trump isn't a politician or lawyer or anything such. He is just some spoiled rich kid god awful excuse for a "Businessman" who just bumbles his way through a sham of a presidency. This whole thing is a blight in the pages of future American history and only a fucking idiot would think otherwise. Not even 2nd Amendment related, any other president that would have done this to a constitutional right would be strung up by the media. But conservative interests own CNN, MSNBC, Faux, ABC etc. It is just a massive circus and everyone is being played like a fool and told to buy more shit and be a better consumer.
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Walter Clummershaw - Sat, 04 May 2019 20:45:22 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175383 Reply
>>175378
The conservative movement was always angling for someone like Trump, but they were constrained by moderate, pragmatic, party leadership. The only reason socialists have been unsuccessful in taking over the Democratic party is because the Democratic party is more institutionally anti-democratic than the Republican one, irony of ironies that that is.

We are certainly changing ideologically as a society, but this is being done through the decay of cold war centrism, and the reemergence of political forces (on the left, socialism; on the right, white nationalist (classical) liberalism) that are far older.
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Albert Gacklesig - Sat, 04 May 2019 22:07:37 EST +8irr0Qf No.175384 Reply
>>175383
>classical) liberalism)
That doesn't mean "white nationalist" you retard not to mention how retarded that term itself is
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Walter Clummershaw - Sun, 05 May 2019 02:40:20 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.175385 Reply
>>175384
John C. Calhoun was a property rights oriented classical liberal and also a white nationalist. Plenty of classical liberals were racists, even though plenty were also anti-racists. When I say "liberalism" I mean it in the non-American sense.
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Edwin Girrywetch - Sun, 05 May 2019 04:31:10 EST g+vb2gyp No.175386 Reply
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>>175384 >>175385
Liberalism in practice is only applied as aligns with the interests of those with the power to apply it.


A particularly naked example would be the first Republic of France (made up of oligarchs many of whom had business interests in haiti at the time) passing the declaration of the rights of man, then proceeding to pass racist laws to keep poor whites and slaves in the french colonies, specifically Haiti, divided and unable to realize their common material interests.
Then passing equal rights and representation for free black slave owners when white slave owners threatened trade.
Then ending slavery due to expensive slave-revolts.
Then reinstating slavery when they had an army.
Then trying to genocide both formerly-slave and educated, free-born, former-slave owning blacks in Haiti when the army failed.
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Doris Clenningford - Fri, 17 May 2019 07:45:54 EST t+JEaX0Q No.175814 Reply
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Can't USA ban AR-15 like they did with AK-47s?
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Nathaniel Foblingway - Fri, 17 May 2019 12:13:22 EST Ijyfflnh No.175819 Reply
>>175814
The fuck you talking about? The US never banned ak-47s.
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Albert Mosslehood - Fri, 17 May 2019 18:17:15 EST +8irr0Qf No.175831 Reply
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>>175819
AK patterned semi auto rifles are not the same as actual AK-47s. Most of what you get in the states is shit like Czech made AK patterns, not actual AKs. IIRC this had something to do with some kind of sanctions or some type of bullshit banning the import of them from Russia/the actual Russian firm or at least making them too costly to import. Let me check...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/banning-russian-made-ak-47s-sets-off-a-us-buying-frenzy/2014/08/31/ad6cbbde-2e0a-11e4-994d-202962a9150c_story.html
Okay so yeah, but the ban isn't as old as I thought though. Also full auto actual AK-47s are of course actually de facto banned because they're fully automatic weapons, but the fact is even if they weren't you basically can't get a Russian made AK due to sanctions. He is probably wrong though because he doesn't understand that
a) ARs are US made and therefore not coverable under any sanctions, and
b) even if they were, the actual ban is on the full auto feature, not the semi-automatic rifle itself, which is why ARs are legal

Not that it really matters. Most gun grabbers don't seem to understand firearms at all nor firearms laws, and mainly take issue with scary looking features. Fact of the matter is an AR is effectively a long arm rifle and regulated as such. The pistol grip doesn't add a whole lot and there's tons and tons of different semi-automatic rifles out there. This is why when they find this out or learn anything at all about guns their "common sense gun control" legislation immediately becomes some horseshit about banning fucking everything except shotguns and maybe bolt action rifles.

And on that note, just FYI any man who's handled a bolt action before can tell you it's still not hard to get off a number of rounds either, so what they end up trying to do like NY did is banning magazine capacity. It's slower than full semi-auto but you can send quite a few rounds down range with even a bolt action rifle in a small amount of time. In fact I'd probably prefer a bolt action in wartime except in CQC urban situations which is mainly what a more compact semi-auto rifle like AR/M16/M4 pattern rifles is for which is clearing out rooms and corners, hence also part of the logic to why you can't have barrels under a certain length, which isn't just about concealment (hence why sawed off shotguns are banned mainly as concealed weapons).

Actually the bigger issue is magazine capacity and muzzle velocity/joules of energy. A much bigger rifle round does more damage and is more likely to be fatal, but frankly a semi auto shotgun would be the absolute fucking worst nightmare to deal with in a school shooting, not an AR.
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Shit Pimmerkid - Fri, 17 May 2019 19:43:48 EST W9U9z9Cx No.175836 Reply
>>175831
A ban on future imports is not the same thing as banning the rifle.

Being made in Russia is not what makes an AK-47 an AK-47.
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William Bimblelork - Fri, 17 May 2019 21:20:04 EST +8irr0Qf No.175843 Reply
>>175836
I'm just trying to figure out what he meant by it. It's been pretty well known (I think? not sure by everyone) that you can't really get an actual Russian made AK pattern easily and that most things on the market are like knockoffs or from Czechia or wherever.
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Edwin Billyhall - Sun, 19 May 2019 04:57:45 EST M/Ws53KS No.175882 Reply
>>175316

https://www.wlky.com/article/here-s-what-s-happening-in-the-week-ahead-1558108250/27507420

MUNCIE, Ind. —

Police say seven people have been shot at an off-campus party near Ball State University in Indiana.

Muncie Police Chief Joe Winkle tells WXIN-TV that three people are in critical condition after the shooting early Saturday. Winkle says some of the victims are Ball State students. He says one was airlifted to a hospital in Indianapolis, about 50 miles (80 kilometers) southwest of Muncie.

Winkle says it appears the shooting happened after "some kind of confrontation inside the house." He says about 50 to 75 people were in the house at the time.

Ball State issued a campus alert shortly after the shootings warning members of the university community to stay clear of the area.

The university says a man arrested in the shootings of seven people at an off-campus party near its Indiana campus is not enrolled as a student.
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John Shakefoot - Sun, 19 May 2019 15:43:48 EST /YCWsy4u No.175904 Reply
>>175882
Tough guys getting drunk and shooting cause they're too scared to settle differences with fists (or God forbid, words).
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Phyllis Bimmerchane - Tue, 28 May 2019 06:49:14 EST AlIsIy64 No.176099 Reply
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Guys with guns need to learn to chill...
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Sidney Fusslenedging - Tue, 28 May 2019 07:36:37 EST tlilhxRg No.176101 Reply
>>175904
That's historically over 99% of shootouts in the Wild West.

There's only one recorded duel as Western films would want you to believe. Almost all shootouts in the Wild West were drunk people getting shot in the back without a chance to fight back in the saloon or near the saloon.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason why public shootings weren't a thing in the Wild West was that there just weren't enough people for angry (white) men with guns to shoot.
Which of course isn't an issue in today's society with an American population running in the hundreds of millions.
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Nathaniel Drellyshit - Tue, 28 May 2019 10:17:10 EST d7KU6JOJ No.176103 Reply
>>176099
Or here's an idea; don't bring your fucking gun to party. Or anywhere really. No one should be walking around with a gun, not even cops.
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Phyllis Seshtetch - Wed, 29 May 2019 17:48:00 EST JD5F68go No.176151 Reply
>>176103
Some police department policies have cops carry all the time. So stories of cops killing people off duty. Where on duty they would not have done so. Drinking, road rage and all.
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Sophie Beshhood - Wed, 29 May 2019 19:59:55 EST fpo1elCK No.176155 Reply
There are a couple ways to solve this problem.
>>No one has guns.
The ideal solution. Gun violence deaths would drop to 0%. Obviously, the statement 'no one has guns' is false unless at some point in the future all the guns that exist now are destroyed. That we could verify such a statement would imply we have the ability to account for every object in the world.
>>Every one has guns.
Less ideal solution. Gun violence spikes initially, then decreases slightly, staying at a relatively consistent rate fluctuating due to economic and social factors. Still, the statement 'every one has guns' can't ever be true unless at some future point all humans are born with the genetic ability and inclination to use and own guns and existing disabled people unable to use guns either no longer exist or are healed.

The problem is that neither of these are achievable. Any legislation passed to try to achieve this problem is going to have to hone on some sub-optimal local minima that will leave lots of people unhappy. As long as some people are unhappy, there will be incentive to change and subvert the law. So basically, the status quo we have now.

BONUS SOLUTION:
>>fix the goddamn planet
Way more energy intensive than the other solutions, but if you could solve all economic, social, medical, mental and political problems, the reasons for gun violence would evaporate and would only occur as the result of accidents (still significant, but a big improvement.) Obviously, this is not a possible solution, so again we're forced to literally put band-aids on bullet wounds.


SUPER SECRET BONUS SOLUTION
>>make gun violence ineffective
Honestly the only thing that's going to bring an end to the era of gun violence is the obsolescence of the gun. A personal defense weapon that is completely superior in quality and kind to the gun can essentially reset the arms race. A weapon that's even more lethal, effective, and easy to use than a gun could be approaching a strategic level of personal 'mutually assured destruction' where even the knowledge that the other party might have such a weapon dissuades all attack. Conversely, high-tech personal defense technology (I'm talking foglet bullet traps, automatic projectile interception, energy fields, sci-fi kind of stuff) would cause gun violence to evaporate, but then other kinds of violence would grow (because guns would no longer be effective defense against a person with a knife, say.)


I think the problem with all talk of gun control/gun rights is that, to a degree greater than most political problems, it's the Prisoner's Dilemma writ large, which humans have a notoriously hard time intuitively understanding.
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Cedric Semmerlock - Wed, 29 May 2019 22:26:55 EST bq9mUpwR No.176158 Reply
>>176155
>Every one has guns.
That would solve nothing. The people that do this type of shit are either massive cowards or psychopaths, and neither of those groups would be deterred from pulling a gun and shooting people because other people would have guns too. The cowards would most likely be a lot quicker to pull a gun and kill people in that situation. Why do you think cops kill people all the time? Because they are cowards that have convinced themselves that everyone is armed and is out to kill them.
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Alice Chinkinfuck - Thu, 30 May 2019 08:29:28 EST KetzL85W No.176165 Reply
>>176155
>no one has guns
ethnic cleansing inbound
>everyone has guns
some deterrent effect, but doesn't solve problem
>solve poverty/environmental destruction/etc
yes
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Eliza Chendleway - Thu, 30 May 2019 18:12:42 EST IqbmRvo8 No.176177 Reply
>>176155
>No one has guns.
>Gun deaths drop to 0%.

While true you also defeat your holier-than-thou self-righteous, "which humans have a notoriously hard time intuitively understanding" drivel.

If you ban one means, people will just find another method of efficient killing of each other. Gun deaths seem to only matter to some people. Honestly, I'd rather be shot at and have a fighting chance of outrunning some other fucktards than to just blow up from something I never heard or saw. At least I can see it coming. But my point remains, it isn't gun violence that is the problem here, it is just simple violence from a "melting pot" society. Japan, N. Europe , etc don't have such shit not because they are strict on guns but because they have a wealthy and homogeneous population that is socially enabled and politically enabled.

The US is rife with poverty, violence, discrimination, and systematic hate.
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Cornelius Benkinnurk - Thu, 30 May 2019 18:19:59 EST 8c32w9KN No.176179 Reply
>>176177
What is as efficient as a gun? What is as easy? In some states, you can get one anywhere (even in your dad's unlocked gun rack) and start murdering without training, all while you're still mad that a girl dumped you or something. Mass shootings are a crime of convenience, and making it harder to get guns in people's hands means there will be fewer mass murders.
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Jenny Candershit - Thu, 30 May 2019 19:45:40 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176182 Reply
>>176179
Not explicit true. Cars are an easy way to kill a lot of people quickly, and it isn't hard to make a bomb.
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Eliza Follerforth - Thu, 30 May 2019 20:02:36 EST 1H4kzlyY No.176186 Reply
>>176182
>Cars are an easy way to kill a lot of people quickly
Not really. School/night club/concert venue/church walls will stop you pretty easily. You first have to get a car. It's harder to steal or straw purchase a car compared to a gun. You also need a license to rent one. In New Jersey, I guess getting your hands on a car will be easier than a gun, but then you need to find an outdoor space densely populated with people. Mass shootings are likely to be in an enclosed space for a reason. There was Nice, but that's one car attack to how many shootings now? If this was a worthwhile attack vector, we'd see more of it.

>Isn't hard to make a bomb
Come on. You have to try harder than that. Bombs take way too much planning and forethought. Not only will buying ingredients put you on a watchlist (thanks, PATRIOT ACT), don't pretend like it's easier to set us up the bomb, discreetly place it somewhere and detonate it compared to pulling out a gun from your waist band and opening fire.
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Betsy Blackson - Thu, 30 May 2019 20:29:59 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176187 Reply
>>176186
Oh, no, I'm not. I'm saying that if someone wants to kill someone, they'll find a way. Many of these mass murders are NOT sper of the movement. Not even the biggest gun nut has hundreds of rounds of ammo on them casualty.
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Sidney Shakeshit - Thu, 30 May 2019 22:05:46 EST fpo1elCK No.176191 Reply
>>176177
>>make a 'secretly' moderately pro-gun rights post by dispassionately analyzing multiple possibilities
>>knee-jerk pro-gun people jump down my throat
>>typical
>>While true you also defeat your holier-than-thou self-righteous
Oh, really? Ok, how exactly?
>>If you ban one means, people will just find another method of efficient killing of each other.
Oh, you mean kind of like how I said
>>gun violence to evaporate, but then other kinds of violence would grow (because guns would no longer be effective defense against a person with a knife
Yeah, by noticing the contradiction between the different possibilities, you're affirming the whole point of my post. That's the idea I wanted you to come away with, so thanks.
>>176179
>>What is as efficient as a gun? What is as easy?
Obviously, a non-existent hypothetical weapon which exists only for the purpose of illustrating my thought experiment. The point being that, look, no ban is ever complete. 'If you take away the guns from the good guys then only the bad guys' yadda yadda. But all weapons, from the bare fist to a nuke, are part of a continuum of effectiveness, lethality, and deterrence of attack. I'm merely pointing out that there is a possibility that there's more stability to be found by going forward than backward, partially due to the practical impossibility of ever 'rolling back' a widespread technology.
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Hannah Cennermetch - Thu, 30 May 2019 22:37:06 EST IqbmRvo8 No.176192 Reply
>>176186
>That first part... All I got to say is who in America doesn't have a fucking car lol?
Nigga are you for real saying a car is hard to get access to in the US? There are also plenty of opportunities in the US for people to be gathered in a place near a road lol. I think you're grasping for straws to justify your preconceived notions. It isn't hard to ram a car into a crowd. Stop trying to act like it isn't.

And for the second part, Mythbusters have shown how to make anfo like a million times on national TV. You're also acting like it is some James Bond shit to infiltrate like a spy and place a suitcase in a highly restricted facility's basement. Nigga the worst US ka-boom was just a dude in a truck loaded down with farm chemicals you toss. Also, stop comparing US to EU terrorism. They aren't even close to the same metrics.

I'm not saying guns aren't easier because they are and they get your name on the TV a whole lot more if you hate the world and want to punish it and spread your misery. But you're just being dense here. Places without guns get other kinds of mass murder and shit. But if you're talking just general gun violence and not the near statistical anomaly that is mass shootings; it is the war on drugs and the resulting gang violence. If you don't do drugs or live in gang territory, you're almost certainly going to live your life without even tangential experience of gun violence. In other words, worry about that baconator you just ate and its effects on your health than some TV boogeyman like getting shot at an elementary school.

>>176187
>Not even the biggest gun nut has hundreds of rounds of ammo on them casualty.
You've clearly never met gun owners in the US. It is completely normal for gun owners in the US to own ammo caches of 1000 rounds. That is like 40 dollars worth of ammo in certain calibres. I've worked with people who have literally 20,000 rounds of ammo. And I mean there are usually 5+ people out of every 50 who do.
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Jenny Goodgold - Fri, 31 May 2019 00:07:50 EST buZ/PeF7 No.176194 Reply
>>176192
It's not being dense. Not at all. You wanna talk about preconceived notions, have one ounce of self awareness. Guns are a problem. If the kid in Sandy Hook didn't have access to his mom's gun, a mass murder just doesn't happen. Same with Pulse, stoneman Douglas, Sutherland springs, the Vegas concert, and so on.

Refusing to even consider gun control as an option because it won't solve 100% of the violent crime is some real NRA-fed bullshit.
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Betsy Blackson - Fri, 31 May 2019 00:18:06 EST 8pt/AtPX No.176195 Reply
>>176192
>You've clearly never met gun owners in the US. It is completely normal for gun owners in the US to own ammo caches of 1000 rounds.

Did you miss where I said "on them"?
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Phineas Worthingdale - Fri, 31 May 2019 00:56:20 EST +8irr0Qf No.176196 Reply
>>176186
Making homemade bombs actually used to be a past time of some kids back in the day. God I miss the 90s. It actually used to be there was always several kids in school doing shit like building pipe bombs or blowing up tree trunks with TATP or something.
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Barnaby Snodhood - Fri, 31 May 2019 19:36:27 EST M/Ws53KS No.176241 Reply
>>176240

Beat me to it.

The US is straight up fucked. Civil war is coming closer by the day.
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Samuel Gettingshaw - Fri, 31 May 2019 20:46:26 EST 1i2Q00c3 No.176244 Reply
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>>176241
You mean 2nd American Civil War. I think the anime Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex had future USA recovering from another Civil War. That's starting to sound eerie...
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John Sashkack - Fri, 31 May 2019 22:57:26 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176252 Reply
>>176241
There's not gonna be a civil war lol. There might be a low level insurgency, but not a civil war. This dude in particular was just going postal. It doesn't seem like an ideological shooting.
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Fuck Gammerville - Fri, 31 May 2019 23:23:55 EST 4scaaRdR No.176253 Reply
>>176252

doesnt change the fact the us is hyperpolarized, perhaps more than ever before
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Sophie Harryshaw - Fri, 31 May 2019 23:29:11 EST M/Ws53KS No.176254 Reply
>>176252

As fucked up as it is to say this; I hope that's the case. That this person just cracked, rather than go in guns blazing for some ideological purpose. All the reports are saying he was a "disgruntled employee" but not saying much beyond that, which leaves a lot of details out of the picture. Why was he disgruntled, did he do something or say something? Did the employer do or say something?

The guy had a .45 pistol suppressor of some kind according to the reports, and had extended magazines. Though I'm loathe to trust anything coming from the police. The shooter didn't show up with a rifle by what the reports are saying, which doesn't fit the M.O. of your typical extremist-right lunatic, but again until more details trickle out there's no way to tell for sure.
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John Sashkack - Fri, 31 May 2019 23:39:36 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176255 Reply
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>>176253
John Brown was outchea killing people over slavery. One of his last statements was "the crimes of this guilty land will only be purged by blood". Shit was far more polarized before the Civil War. The intensity of conflict today pales in comparison to that.

Even in the 60s and 70s, there were movements which were more violent than anyone is prepared to be today. In the 90s, there were white nationalist militias and right-wing libertarians sympathetic to them, culminating in (besides felonious groups like the Order) the Oklahoma City Bombings, following the ATF's raid on the Koresh sect.

Things today are polarized, but the conflict is cultural. It's between a traditionalist culture in its death throes, and a liberal culture in its ascendance. The only basis for a civil war in America today would be class, but the proletariat is not organized as a class and is only beginning to be conscious of itself as a class (and this could be quashed very easily).
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Fuck Gammerville - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 00:58:37 EST 4scaaRdR No.176257 Reply
>>176255

i disagree with your rapid glossy conclusions at the end. the only cause would not necessarily be class, but could be cultural. i could easily see republicans and democrats getting violent toward one another
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Graham Debbernotch - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 08:42:03 EST IqbmRvo8 No.176260 Reply
>>176255
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this new wave of alt-right retards or whatever. The vast majority of these new saviours of the white race seem to be young 20-something males.

It doesn't take many people to start a massive conflict. I doubt it will ever happen but I can tell you one thing, since the 2016 election, everyone I know has gone super political and become very opinionated. Our society is now run by machine learning and algorithms. Capitalism is culminating into a marketing distopia where everyone is pushed further and further into their own echo chambers. With this recent level of deep fakes and "AI" making speeches from just one or two pictures; it won't be hard for mass media with no regulations or even possibility of regulations to curb disinformation campaigns by foreign actors and domestic. Technology could make this political shit get really out of hand.

If someone got access to this deep fake technology and did a video of AOC saying we need to gas the rich and anyone making over 50k a year... Would the alt-right folks cast doubt on a congressman saying we should start a genocide? Common sense would say that is ludicrous but people believe what they want to. Especially in this new digital world of Facebook feeds. It will only get worse and there isn't anyone policing this new technology. I'm not going to say it should be policed as this is a completely natural experience when humanity experiences a revolution in how we communicate. Things will even out after 420chan has died and we are likely dead as well.


>>176254
>Some angry middle aged black man.
>Legally bought handgun used.
>ATF background check done for his NFA surpressor.

Welp, this story isn't a juicy assault rifle story with illegal shit bought at a gun show loophole and done by a 24 year old white boy with a funny haircut and pimp tendencies so I bet this gets off the TV pretty quickly.

I don't know what the gun control crowd can say to this anyways. Those ATF NFA background checks ain't no joke. They take 6-8 months and can be condemned for anything at all. A suppressor in the US is about like a real automatic weapon or a grenade launcher. It is one of the most difficult to procure weapons through legal means. Not sure anything other than a complete outright firearms ban would have stopped this.
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Fanny Dartdale - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 12:45:24 EST feGD2V81 No.176262 Reply
>>176260
People are already willing to become martyrs because of some boomer Facebook memes they say about Pizzagate and Soros-Hezbollah-Caravans and QAnon.

Imagine how many people would go off the deep-end from and actually competently made deepfake based on sightly-less-retarded premises. A few dedicated, tech-savvy propagandists who actually know what they're doing could very easily set this whole thing off.
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Martha Seblingfeck - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 13:45:29 EST +8irr0Qf No.176263 Reply
>>176262
It ultimately doesnt boil down to technology though but rather the echo chambers and sense of being part of a mass. The Nazis themselves seized upon this through use of the radio. They're already bombing mosques, churches, synagogues, political rallies etc purely influenced by lots of terrible moronic shitposts on the future, twitter, and through terrible jpgs. The main problem is sociopathy and a complete lack of empathy or morality being emphasized in their shitty little echo chambers.
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Jenny Copperkack - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 16:15:50 EST 9A7E9nHB No.176275 Reply
I am so worried for when that the orange fat fuck's heart gives out and what his followers will do.
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Thomas Fanstock - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 01:53:49 EST UPzeo4LQ No.176346 Reply
The tweets are sufficient to keep him in touch with the werlds. Surely he does not do them all? his-self...
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Sophie Pittingtudge - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 15:12:37 EST cwnjKBnS No.176364 Reply
>>176308
I am thinking they will just accuse Democrats for murdering him.
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Augustus Gallerfield - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 15:18:02 EST ar9mMa8V No.176365 Reply
>>176308
They'll skin Trump and hire that retard James Woods to wear the skin and play the part.
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Nathaniel Grimfuck - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 21:29:09 EST fpo1elCK No.176374 Reply
>>176260
>>Not sure anything other than a complete outright firearms ban would have stopped this.
Would have solved this situation, perhaps, if we know this guy was only willing to get guns through legal means. But even staying with the law he could have manufactured his own gun and silencer and would only have been in violation of it when he put the two together and tried to shoot it. If we was willing to break the law further and didn't have the expertise to do that, he could pay someone else to do it, or just buy one of the millions of black market guns in circulation. Even a total gun ban wouldn't stop those scenarios, so what other policy solutions could mitigate this scenario?
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Wesley Hippergold - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 09:19:15 EST UxSGvy17 No.176403 Reply
>>176374
>But even staying with the law he could have manufactured his own gun and silencer and would only have been in violation of it when he put the two together and tried to shoot it. If we was willing to break the law further and didn't have the expertise to do that, he could pay someone else to do it, or just buy one of the millions of black market guns in circulation.
The kind of people who are impulsive enough failures to throw their lives away on this kind of thing probably aren't the kind of people competent enough or dedicated enough to jump through all those hoops.

Legal gun restrictions won't stop everyone but it would probably mitigate a lot of these failson losers from getting this far.
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Hamilton Muzzlechirk - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 21:30:43 EST IqbmRvo8 No.176415 Reply
>>176374
Honestly I think gun control is a non-starter and just exists for media clickbaiting and inciting more division into the country. I don't think it is possible to collect all the guns in the US. There are more guns than people and confiscation is not only constitutionally illegal; it would be far bloodier than 100 years worth of mass shootings. I don't think the logistics behind gun control would work here. The infrastructure and mindset is just too deeply ingrained and already existing.


>>176403
Well I don't have a dog in the fight here and really can't be assed to give a shit but I think there is far more than substantial proof this isn't an impulsive kind of thing. Most of these mass shootings were planned typically at least a couple months before they were done. And almost always, the TV has 30 people on there saying, "Wow, I mean we always joked he would be the one to kill everyone but I never thought he would do it!" I'm not going to try and sound like some NRA shill here but it isn't some thing where someone says, "Welp, I think this morning I'll diverge from normality and go out and spend 3 grand on weapons and start killin shit lel." The people who do this are usually fucked in the head for years before they snap.
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Martin Crurringtire - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 21:47:10 EST YzHGXqax No.176417 Reply
>>176415
>I think there is far more than substantial proof this isn't an impulsive kind of thing
Studies of suicidal ideal suggest that it is. That's actually one of the big aspects of American gun culture that we tend to ignore; guns makes that impulse of suicide much easier to pull off compared to say pills or slitting your wrists or even hanging. It's just that much easier for no real effort or expertise needed, and that plays out in the statistics.
http://seattlefriends.org/files/seiden_study.pdf
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/survival/
https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/18000516/suicide-guns
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK223849/

An interesting manifestation of this effect was seen when gas stoves were phased out in England:
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92319314
>Anderson points to another example where simply making a change in people's access to instruments of suicide dramatically lowered the suicide rate. In England, death by asphyxiation from breathing oven fumes had accounted for roughly half of all suicides up until the 1970s, when Britain began converting ovens from coal gas, which contains lots of carbon monoxide, to natural gas, which has almost none. During that time, suicides plummeted roughly 30 percent — and the numbers haven't changed since.

So there's compelling evidence to suggest that suicide attempts are, generally, impulsive acts that usually aren't repeated, and so reducing the availability of effective suicide methods decreases the instances overall; more effort required makes it harder to act on the impulse or at least makes it less successful.

It's reasonable to think that this tendency would apply to some (NOT ALL) mass shooters, at least the ones who are driven more by desperation, emotion and impulsiveness, which is likely a significant enough amount.
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Hamilton Muzzlechirk - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 22:04:41 EST IqbmRvo8 No.176418 Reply
>>176417
Well I wouldn't compare suicide to mass shootings since both are pretty different dramatically. Also you fail to point out that the majority of suicides are also done under the influence of some king of drugs. Usually alcohol IIRC.

I most certainly not for banning drugs and shit, even if it means more suicides.

I also am not in favor of trying to combat suicide. That is a personal choice someone makes and it is none of my business. I fully believe people own their bodies and their right to live or die. I suppose education on the topic would be best but I'm not ever going to suggest the state get involved in such matters unless there are children involved and the person committing suicide is liable for a child. Although, removal of a child from such a parents custody would probably serve them better anyways.

On a more macabre note, I honestly believe there should be some form of suicide booth if you will; in society where it is painless and humane. I hate it when folks try and tell someone what is best for them in such grandiose and unsolicited manners.
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Caroline Dammleworth - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 00:40:59 EST fpo1elCK No.176428 Reply
>>176418
There's actually more in common between mass shootings and suicides than you might think. Both are violent acts born out of desperation.
And yes, we could remove every possible avenue of committing suicide -- and maybe we should. We could do the same thing for guns -- and we probably should. But if we can't perfectly remove every single avenue, there will still be a lot of people suffering greatly, and the negative energy that will soak into society from that would be perhaps just as toxic to the social fabric. Why can't we just focus on making a society where people don't have good reasons to kill other people or themselves? Why keep fixating on symptoms when we have a pretty good understanding of the disease itself?
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Charlotte Dondlestock - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 09:25:57 EST KetzL85W No.176437 Reply
>>176418
>I also am not in favor of trying to combat suicide. That is a personal choice someone makes and it is none of my business.
Combating suicide could be as simple as alleviating poverty. It isn't about forcing people to live, but giving them the resources and reasons to want to live. Caroline said it best.

>Why can't we just focus on making a society where people don't have good reasons to kill other people or themselves? Why keep fixating on symptoms when we have a pretty good understanding of the disease itself?
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Hamilton Muzzlechirk - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 16:49:55 EST IqbmRvo8 No.176466 Reply
>>176428
Well that utopia idea is good in theory but it won't ever happen. Especially in the US when there is far too much money and institutional divide on billions of levels of society. I don't like talking about a fairy tale fantasy world. I get trying to make a more perfect nation and all but the reality is that there is bad shit in the world and you'll never stop all of it. No matter what you do, the universe will die and so will the gods and everything that ever was.

>>176437
> giving them the resources and reasons to want to live

Well I'll be straight with you. There are people on Earth that simply aren't cut out for any kind of existence. I know firsthand what it is like to not want for anything, be in good health, and not be shackled in any way other than just simple laws of physics and man's law. And I don't too much like existence. Since I've become poor as fuck and have to work shitty jobs and such and live on my own; life is even worse. When everything was just peachy and fine I was just bored of existence and hated it for that reason. Now I'm ground down to being so tired all I can think about is getting off work, and sleeping as much as I can to try and recuperate for the next day.

And there is no escape either because I'm not in with the well-to-do crowd, I don't have the education and social connections to make it above a shitty wage, and once you fall this low in society, you don't climb back up. But even if I did, I wouldn't be any happier. I'd just be less physical and mentally drained. Some folks don't belong in this world. And you can't do anything about it. They are just lost souls pacing the Earth until they die. And there are lots of them. Some of them get the strength to say "Fuck it, I'm going out on my own terms." Some get the vitriol and commitment to say, "Fuck it, I'm going out on my own terms and I'm going to make the world suffer for giving me life."

>The vast majority however are like me; they hate living and just want out of the game and to wash their hands of it but are too much of a pussy to do anything about it.
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Caroline Dammleworth - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 19:51:34 EST fpo1elCK No.176475 Reply
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>>176466
>> I get trying to make a more perfect nation and all but the reality is that there is bad shit in the world and you'll never stop all of it.
So how are you going to ever make it any better at all if you don't think about what the better state would be? Obviously nothing is ever perfect, but it will never even be better unless we try to make it. Are you saying we should just stop doing anything and wait for death to take us?

>>There are people on Earth that simply aren't cut out for any kind of existence.
Well, unless you're talking about incredibly rare medical conditions, that's just not true. They might not be cut out for existence in this insane machine we call society, but they're by and large perfectly adapted to the kind of life nature provided for them historically. So those people don't deserve to live because other people changed the definition of the world beyond what they could bend themselves to?
>>Since I've become poor as fuck and have to work shitty jobs and such and live on my own; life is even worse.
You know it's pretty well understood that depression, suicidality, and poverty go hand in hand. You realize that everyone else in the world is under this same stressor, right? So is it really that 'existence' is against these people, or the crazy ponzi scheme that the global economy is?

No one can force you to want to live. But, we know that most people, given the choice, do want to live. You clearly want to live a better life, you just feel it is inaccessible to you, so you've created a lot of fancy sour grapeisms. Why blame yourself or cosmic circumstance when all of this is just the fault of the behavior of specific people that could easily be changed?

Frankly, I think it is cowardly to be so submissive to 'reality.' The goal of the human mind is to change that which is around it to better suit it, not cower from it. Isn't it better to fail in the attempt than never try? Pic related.
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Lydia Bardforth - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 02:13:00 EST IqbmRvo8 No.176494 Reply
>>176475
>Are you saying we should just stop doing anything and wait for death to take us?
Basically yes. There is clearly no meaning to life and any attempts to ascribe one is factually and objectionably incorrect. Perhaps there is a bit of merit in hedonism but what does that serve a society in such a narcissistic state? All I know is me, myself, and I. I know what benefits me and what doesn't and it is a part of nature to elevate myself the highest I can above everyone else. It is the primitive nature of all life at its' core.

There is also no unified group think on any of this either. Utopia will never be achieved because 90% of people are complacent. 9% move the world to their own means and the last 1% if that try and make it better but it is impossible to say what is and isn't best. You say all guns should be removed from society in a perfect world but I say you logic is flawed. In such a perfect society; all guns would be legal because they wouldn't be used for ill will. Everything you ever thought can be deconstructed and flawed just because our notion of logic and reason is flawed. We are emotional beings and nothing more than some chimps that made a better way to communicate. Society and people at large are meant and intelligently designed to cooperate in a society where there is a hierarchy. Those pieces of shit at the bottom who, "Stand in welfare lines" as Fox News would put it are actually pretty accepting of their place in society. Sure they bitch and bemoan the injustices of the world but they don't actually want it any other way otherwise they would at the very least try and change something about their shitty existence but the vast majority of a populace are meant to be simple mindless worker bees who eat shitty fast food and watch TV to escape reality. I know because I'm surrounded by them. They don't ever want to sacrifice their pleasure and comfort to save money and then invest that money so that it works for them. And that is a good thing because society functions off the sole principle of 90% of it being working class losers. And I'm no aristocrat either. I'm down here with most of them as well. And honestly I'm in the same position. I don't want for a better world. Just for an end to my own.

>Well, unless you're talking about incredibly rare medical conditions, that's just not true.
Blatantly false Caroline. There are millions of people who are just going to feel like shit 24/7 about everything and without copious amounts of drugs to inflate their mood, they will never change. You also seem to be implying a requiem for primitivism. Society has always functioned in the same way it does now. In fact, 100 years ago, society was far, far more disparate in nature. And 500 years ago the society was literal feudalism. And 2000 years ago it was global slavery. These are the best times to live in yet we bandy about and state they are the worst and pretend that we haven't already made a damn near utopia. I get trying to make it better but even in a perfect world, there will always be those who just don't belong. I've met too many of them and know my own mind. Consciousness is a curse to millions of people. Just the way it works. Always has and always will unless we are all plugged into the matrix in 3003 and get dopamine pumps for our brain. Protip: We're already nearly there.

>You know it's pretty well understood that depression, suicidality, and poverty go hand in hand.
Yes and you're arguing suicide and depression from an impulsivity point of view. Someone who goes into deep debt and offs themselves because of it are many of the suicides but they aren't all and probably not even close to majority. If you're so sure of this correlation then riddle me this: Why is it that the most prosperous countries all have the highest incidents of suicide per adjusted population? Western Europe, Japan, USA all have the highest rate of suicides but are by far the most wealthy and advanced nations on Earth. Complete and utter shitholes have far lower rates of suicide and depression. Why is this? Clearly poverty may be a reason for suicide but it is far from the cause. Especially globally. Are we just enlightened to the strife of being an obese fuck with 2 cars and a trailer home here with free public education and food stamps as opposed to an Ethiopian who lives on 2 cents a day and has a mud covered stick as their worldly possessions. I guess they just don't know they're living like feral animals.

>But, we know that most people, given the choice, do want to live.
Yep most do. I never stated otherwise. On a rock in the middle of nowhere, Milky Way; there are 7 billion humans. Probably a few hundred million are just in mental torment until they die. Probably a billion are in physical torment. The will to live is a nature occurring aspect in all forms of life. And just like anything else with life, it can fuck up and it usually goes extinct because it is uncompetitive in the wild. I won't be breeding or having offspring because I have no motivation to seek sex or even a want to. Thus a genetic failure dies out just as intended.

>You clearly want to live a better life, you just feel it is inaccessible to you
You're clearly projecting here. I stated the absolute opposite. I've lived a pretty damn good life by most standards; enough to know what being retired means during my teenage years. But I lost it all due to depression and just fucking up in life. You walk into a busy street with your eyes closed and lose the ability to walk for the rest of your life. Failure in life comes with consequences. I don't claim my former life to the nature of success. Because I didn't build that success, it was just luck of the draw. But even then I wasn't happy as I previously stated. I was just bored and ready to die even then. Now that I've been kicked down to the level of working for 10 dollars an hour with trailer trash, ghetto ass black folk, and convicts, I just want out even more. But I don't want for more crumbs. I don't want for more consumerist junk to fill my McMansion. I don't want a 100k dollar Ford pickup. I've seen too much of both sides of the fence.

None of this shit matters to me and it is only naivety that drives this pseudo-socialist nonsense. If your life sucks, being higher up the totem pole isn't going to change that fact. You think Orange-in-chief is a happy individual? He reeks of insecurity, obsession, and just a sadness behind a cowards mask. I know it because I've been there. He has literally everything in the world just literally handed to him on a gold platter. Just imagine that. You have literally all the power in the world that is possibly feasible yet he still probably thinks to himself at night, I'm insecure about this or that. And like all of us, death will eventually have his day. There is no escaping from the simple fact that the answer to life is death.

So I'm not blaming reality, I'm not blaming myself, and I'm not blaming any other people. It is just the way the game goes sometimes. And it is an efficient and progressive manner for society to function in. Look how far man has come under such "deplorable" conditions that folks so often deride. With a legion of serfs, a few learned individuals, and some royal enforcement; society gets on pretty fucking well I'd say. You can't make people enjoy life and you can't make people all equal because they simply aren't.

I'm not submissive to reality. I'm accepting to it. Change will come and post-scarcity if a hell of a drug. There is so much about society and civilization that is about to change in 50-100 years that it will be like living in the stone age and being launched into the industrial age in the blink of an eye. But the good news is that me, you, and Spunky will all be dead before we experience the true post-singularity age. Honestly, robots will probably eliminate biological life or at the very least enslave all of them. So I guess be thankful that you're among the last free humans.

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David Crorringmatch - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 10:53:41 EST Z3jeQIKo No.177867 Reply
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Samuel Tillingbury - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 15:35:59 EST M/Ws53KS No.177869 Reply
>>177865

Honestly there's nothing funny about this. It's the alt-right declaring war.
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Archie Tootham - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 16:39:55 EST /kP2zVVG No.177871 Reply
>>177864
So does that make it three mass shootings in one day?
Garlic Fest
Wal-Mart
This
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Fanny Clorringwell - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 16:51:13 EST gMumwcdC No.177872 Reply
Just a reminder to all the gamers out there. Republicans will always take away your right to game before they take away their right to kill you.
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Isabella Lightfuck - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 17:32:41 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.177873 Reply
Imagine if three Islamic attacks happened in a week in the US eh?


Its insane how violent the Alt-right is. They basically run the fucking country now, and they STILL conduct terrorist attacks.
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Cornelius Clayville - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 18:36:30 EST 8c32w9KN No.177875 Reply
>>177873
>They basically run the fucking country now, and they STILL conduct terrorist attacks
All while having a persecution complex. Holy shit, the white male ego is frail.
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Eliza Dronnerson - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 22:05:09 EST jva21RDW No.177885 Reply
>>177864
Trying to figure out if this shooter's motive is right wing extremism in this case is confusing atm. Sources are saying that he is a huge leftist that want's socialism and wants to abolish ICE. Interviews with friends have painted him as a huge misogynistic bully that also got in trouble for making a hit list? I've never personally heard a leftist that supports warren spew a bunch of misogynistic remakes. It's possible I guess, but this is a strange case, and it seems like maybe an pimp mentality might have been what lead him to go this far.
Really need more information.
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Charlotte Fibblefuck - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 23:07:34 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.177886 Reply
>>177885
Yahuh, same way the guy who ran over people in Charlottesville was ANTFA... till it was reviealed he was a Nazi. Just like the shooter in Quebec was a muslim... until it turned out he was a Nazi.
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Eliza Dronnerson - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 23:35:06 EST jva21RDW No.177887 Reply
>>177886
All alt righters who do a bad are antifa according to right wingers on twitter.
Regardless if this guy had been something like an anarcho-communist, which I doubt. From what I've found, based on what people who knew him said about him, he was a huge misogynist, being a shining example of toxic masculinity.

https://twitter.com/ThreeMuch___/status/1158085118818508805/photo/1

"Midway through Betts’s freshman year at Bellbrook High, the school became aware that he had a list of people, including classmates, whom he wanted to take “revenge” on, said Samantha Thomas, 25, who attended Bellbrook at the same time as Betts.
“It was a list of girls and all of these really pretty vile things that he was going to do to them,” Thomas said. "
(https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-dayton-authorities-search-for-a-motive-in-shooting-that-left-9-dead/2019/08/04/6bc3bd1e-b6d5-11e9-bad6-609f75bfd97f_story.html?outputType=amp)
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Matilda Fanstone - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 00:20:03 EST JJHTwYfj No.177888 Reply
Antifa is a left organization

Also, let's not call it "Cool club" anymore and refer to its real name; Twitter
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Frederick Hoddlewell - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 03:13:43 EST 0paRZQQs No.177904 Reply
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>>176255
99.9% of rightwing groups are already all stallionED by the feds . I fucking guarantee you that.
Aryan Nations/ Christian Identity were stallioned by an informant during 2003.
And that informant is now behind groups like AtomWaffen Division.
Fucking amazing honestly, he gets his kicks (lets say he's into BDSM)from manipulating stupid genZ tards to do his bidding and gets away with it because he tells the FBI when shits starts to hit the fan.
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Alice Nongerwetch - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 03:56:16 EST MvRoQ1jI No.177907 Reply
>>177906
Wait, how is he a nazi? from what I see it looks like he's shitting all over them and calling them easily manipulated retards.
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Frederick Hoddlewell - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 04:10:18 EST 0paRZQQs No.177908 Reply
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>>177906
Oh is a rabbit hole that reaches the surreal.

Also before the whole AWD they were even trying to make some sort of communist edgelord cult in North Carolina. They were even official NK ambassadors in the USA.
Several have made official visits to North Korea as the invited guests of the Pyongyang government
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Cornelius Gizzlelare - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 05:31:04 EST tlilhxRg No.177909 Reply
>>177904
>99.9% of rightwing groups are already all stallionED by the feds
Then how come they still commit a terrorist attack every few days? I'm willing to bet that western rightwing terrorism has already reached a higher death count than middle-eastern rightwing terrorism.
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Alice Nongerwetch - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 05:49:02 EST MvRoQ1jI No.177912 Reply
>>177909
Well I mean technically those are lone-wolfs acting on their own, they probably got radicalized and convinced by the groups but the groups themselves didn't do it, and if they did they probably would get vanned/raided pretty quick as he said.
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Eugene Hankinhall - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 08:27:58 EST M/Ws53KS No.177922 Reply
>>177921

That's one. Now let's count up all the right wing lunatics who have gone on shooting sprees aaaaaand.....yeah they still got a higher body count with a much more frequent pattern of violence. Therefore are still the bigger threat.
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Isabella Cemmerbog - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 08:53:19 EST JErP/jAU No.177924 Reply
>>177922
Doesn't matter which wing they are, young white males are to be avoided.
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Caroline Brobblestock - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 10:07:28 EST k4enMT4C No.177926 Reply
>>177921
I bet we find out that he was your classical right wing moron right up until the time the social media posts first start at which point he's the sterotypical deranged leftist that /pol/ is constantly strawmanning against. In other words I bet this was a false flag.
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Eliza Dronnerson - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 16:42:44 EST jva21RDW No.177934 Reply
>>177921
>>177920
I've already posted about this. It also needs to be pointed out that he was a huge misogynist, which is something almost all leftists are against, and a much more common trait on the right.
He wouldn't be the first shooter to have a strong hatred towards women.
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Hugh Duvinglock - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 18:25:48 EST g+vb2gyp No.177936 Reply
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>>177934
Even if the shooter superficially identified with leftist politics, no leftist ideology benefits from terrorizing women.
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Eliza Dronnerson - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 19:11:38 EST jva21RDW No.177939 Reply
>>177936
Exactly. At least with the majority of young English speaking leftists, they are much more concerned with eliminating social hierarchy and discrimination as much as possible, for society to continue to function and serve the needs of the masses.
It would have to be an attack on a group of people, who are strongly advocating political violence against a marginalized group of people, for me to be convinced the shooting is driven by a leftist motive.
The shooter in this case just seems like a hate filled misogynist in the end, who may have had some leftist political beliefs solely based in economics. You see a lot of nazitards supporting social democracy, because they are for mixed economy, but they are still extremely conservative everywhere else.
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Hugh Fupperson - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 19:17:26 EST fxZPTs+O No.177940 Reply
>>177920
>reps Elizabeth Warren
>"far leftist"

This is like if a mass shooter repped John McCain and got called "far right".

>>177936
Lone wolf terrorist attacks have always been anathema on the left. I doubt this guy was motivated by Elizabeth Warren's rhetoric, or the rhetoric of any socialists. Dude was just going nowhere, mad about it, and wanted to vent in the most American way possible. This guy's probably less left-wing than Joseph Stack was, the guy who flew his cessna into an IRS office and praised the communist manifesto in his going away letter. But if we want to tally these things up by the politics of the shooters, I'd be happy to, since the big sum goes to the right, not the left.

>>177908
Yeah, he was a renegade who went from the authoritarian left to the authoritarian right. Conversions from one extremism to another happen surprisingly often. Remember the Atomwaffen dude who killed his roommates (also Atomwaffen members) because he converted to radical Islam? There is, unfortunately, a type of person who is attracted to extremist politics of any variety because they have a destructive urge that isn't or can't be subsumed by mainstream means.

Actually, was that the same dude who was in that white supremacist North Korea sympathizing group who built a commune out in rural North Carolina? The one that loves Jim Jones? I wouldn't be surprised if that whole thing was COINTELPRO or a CIA attempt at infiltrating North Korea.
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Hugh Fupperson - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 19:24:04 EST fxZPTs+O No.177941 Reply
>>177939
We leftists (any leftists reading this) do need to do better about reaching out to our own violent young men and channeling their energies into productive pursuits (for class struggle and the communist project). We can't let edge lords come and fuck up our PR. Get them involved in a life affirming way, cut their edge shit out and make them realize that the soft, happy, human life is one worth fighting for, and that we can't fight for it through terrorism. Indirectly, this was a failure of left-wing organizations to reach people before they made major mistakes, although I think most left-wing organizations probably would have told this kid to fuck off on account of his pornogrind project. nb doublepost on a slow board lmao.
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Martha Tootdale - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 20:03:18 EST 2frQs8IP No.177942 Reply
>>177940

Honestly though, after all these right wing murderers there was bound to appear a left wing one.
Once a standard is set and crazy people see what is possible, they will come out of the woodwork.

The interesting thing now is that there's lone wolfs doing it, and not organized groups of people like it used to be. For me it feels like a new kind of suicide by cop, more than a political statement.
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Cornelius Grimford - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 20:11:17 EST fxZPTs+O No.177943 Reply
>>177942
The dude upthread talking about the FBI isn't kidding. The FBI is literally everywhere, like the Stasi, and a surprising number of people on the left and right turn up dead under mysterious circumstances or get popped for small charges (vandalism, possession) and turned into snitches. Brandon Darby, a renegade ex-leftist from New Orleans, turned fed and became a snitch to get out of it, then tried to have a political punditry career which, afaik, has gone nowhere.

That's just shit I know from being a communist. Someone on the far right can tell you about the infiltration of militia movements and etc. if you can stomach the fucking bastards. The Order is one to look up.
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Hannah Hindledune - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 20:22:15 EST jva21RDW No.177944 Reply
>>177941
Well so far leftists are far less violent than far right, by miles. Sadly the media is more apt to jump on labeling leftists as violent just for protesting, and alt righters know how to muddy the water. Of course when antifa punches a nazi, it's bad PR, and neonazis really milk their victim complex. We get hit the hardest for any bit of violent behavior that slips through.
There are many leftist youtubers who have been able to approach topics related to mental illness and so on really well. Really we need to keep it up, and there is always room for community organizing through peaceful and productive means.
The biggest issue in society with radicalizing youth is feeling isolated, and we gotta do what we can to make these kids feel less isolated, absolutely. As well as a hope for a brighter future is equally important, if we can prove we can improve things by any minor amount, that helps a ton!
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Eliza Nicklefuck - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 21:22:12 EST bzL0bO7y No.177945 Reply
>>177944
Maybe the in the US in reference to the past few decades but historically, politically extreme individuals and groups are both bad and have a history of extreme violence and mass exterminations.
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Hannah Hindledune - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 21:32:43 EST jva21RDW No.177946 Reply
>>177945
I don't disagree there!
Modern Leftism needs to stay clear from going down a violent or authoritarian path.
I'm glad to hear a lot of leftists talk about de-radicalizing far right extremists, but not as a ploy to recruit militant leftists, but to reduce the spread of harmful beliefs.
Any leftist that glorifies violence needs to be called out for being toxic and harmful, by fellow leftists, as much as possible.
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Doris Hongerchod - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 23:03:31 EST g+vb2gyp No.177949 Reply
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>>177946
>Any leftist that glorifies violence
You can't both sides this shit when the status quo is a blood bath.
Any leftist order that is less violent than withholding housing and medicine, shooting >1K americans/year, putting people in concentration camps, bombing 9 countries is a deescalation of the constant, grinding violence necessary to maintain a capitalist state.
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Albert Dungerfetch - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 23:57:15 EST FIaHiwr/ No.177950 Reply
>my team has fewer mass murderers than your team

america is fucking disgusting.
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Ernest Mipperfun - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 00:22:43 EST +8irr0Qf No.177951 Reply
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>>177950
Number of leftist mass murderers here: 0
Number of right wing mass murderers: 2 more just this week, or was it three?

We have always had a right wing mass murderer problem. RIght wingers try to pretend there's also leftist terrorists like them to not look so bad, like oh let's not call only one side out and appeal to fairness.

But there is no appeal to fairness because it's literally just one side doing it
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Lydia Hollerchick - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 00:56:50 EST 0paRZQQs No.177952 Reply
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>>177940
Yes, Cupp was not the owner of that land. That commune is now HareKrishna/communist/whitepower/vampiric satanism,etc. It is named New Bihar Mandir temple , they're also are the Tempel ov Blood.

The main head is Joshua Caleb Sutter and his wife Jillian Hoy.
Sutter was a former Aryan Nations/christian Identity, his father was a hardcore baptist pastor. Some shit happened around the early 2000s and he went "edgelord", bought a bunch of explosives and a suppressor from an undercover FBI agent and got cuked. Then he ratted another Aryan Nations members who were planning to rob a bank lol. He got banned from the Aryan Nations after that and that's when he started with cupp the whole North Korea commune stuff.

Sutter and Hoy got tired of cupp's schizophrenia and they poisoned him but he survived and went away lol.

I don't get how they haven't got arrested after all the shit with AWD, it is obvious they are informants.
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Rebecca Senderville - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 01:22:08 EST C0rSvmvP No.177953 Reply
>>177950
How about, Republicans give more money to charity than Democrats.
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Cornelius Grimford - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 01:44:29 EST fxZPTs+O No.177954 Reply
>>177950
Yuropoors put 10,000,000 Jews, fags, and communists into crematoriums not too long ago. You want to talk about mass murder? Get your own shit straight. Unless you're Canadian, in which case tell your PM to stop murdering indigenous people.

>>177952
Shit if I got poisoned and survived I'd fuckin leave too.
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Hugh Pimblefoot - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 02:50:48 EST M/Ws53KS No.177955 Reply
>>177953

Source that shit. And no, churches don't count as "charities"
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Nigel Nosslebanks - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 12:02:00 EST S1WYwc2L No.178001 Reply
>>177996
Not in the US. They would either steal guns to sell for drugs, or sell their shitty guns so they have cash to buy a better gun.
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Charles Divingchon - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 17:34:30 EST AAglzm7p No.178016 Reply
>>178001
People would possibly sell their shittiest guns, to buy drugs, cut the drugs, whatever for higher profit. Then buy more drugs and guns. Upgrade if you will. There was a buy back program here. A flat $$ buy out regardless of gun condition. Surely, the best guns, many were not destroyed. And put back
out on the street level or organized crime level.
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Lillian Deshson - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 17:40:59 EST MvRoQ1jI No.178017 Reply
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>>178001
>>178016
yeah this already happens, people make shitty extremely cheap homemade pipe and zip guns and turn them in for a profit, hell theres even been cases of people turning in empty rocket launcher tubes that are literally worthless fiberglass in for a cheap hundo.
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Barnaby Beblingwog - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 18:19:18 EST CvkewM4Z No.178020 Reply
>>177955

Why dont churches count as charity? The IRS begs to differ...

https://get.tithe.ly/blog/church-donations-tax-deductible

"In general, you can deduct your church offerings from your taxes.

But there are a few things you need to know:

Donations cannot exceed 50 percent of your adjusted gross income (AGI)

Tax deductions must be itemized

Donations must be made before the end of the tax year"

http://www.democraticaudit.com/2017/11/17/republicans-give-more-to-charity-but-not-because-they-oppose-income-redistribution/

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/republicans-give-more-to-charity-than-democrats-but-theres-a-bigger-story-here/

Bottom line if you're a member of a church and fall on hard times they will help you. Even if you don't believe in God sometimes its good to go to church for the social aspect. You dont need to put money in the basket to be a member either. Some churches will help homeless of the street but most try to help their own congregation first. Republicans in low tax states give more to charities and churches allocating their own money to the causes that will help their community.
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Eliza Grandstone - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 18:27:05 EST M/Ws53KS No.178021 Reply
>>178020

The idea of churches dodging paying taxes is an open invitation for corruption. The US is becoming a state run by religion and if that's something you want move to fucking Iran or Saudi Arabia.
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Charles Gadgeman - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 18:38:02 EST fxZPTs+O No.178022 Reply
>>178020
>Even if you don't believe in God sometimes its good to go to church for the social aspect

I mean, you could say these things about unions and communist/anarchist organizations too, but for some reason in America only churches - which more often than not preach and promote reactionary political ideologies - get this treatment. Communists and anarchists used to run, and still do actually run, mutual aid organizations that would provide charity and relief for the poor, which were then as now their social base. As the communists and anarchists dissipated, so did their charities, but it's still a big part of contemporary organizing. Meetings, likewise, play the social role that church attendance does for Christians, being a source of socialization and a break away from the isolation inherent to modern capitalist social life.

So I don't fundamentally disagree with you, I just think there are more options here.
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Rebecca Greencocke - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 10:43:10 EST wy89TaBN No.178031 Reply
>>178021
Jesus Christ listen to yourself. The US is being more and more run by the church?

God damn nigga step off that MotherJones pedestal for a minute. The US is at a point when nobody goes to church except 50+ people, it is the highest level of atheism ever, and law makers aren't all consulting god and their preacher before doing everything.

You're acting like this is 1952 or 1884. Get real dude. This is why I can't stand coming here. You people are completely fucking delusional parrots. What did some podcast tell you the churches were the problem in the US?
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Matilda Hundlefidge - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 11:34:51 EST wFK2Hm63 No.178032 Reply
>>178031
I see where he's coming from though, we have laws on the books that can put a woman in prison for a miscarriage or even getting shot while pregnant with the logic and reasoning cited cited for the laws is a conservative Protestant interpenetration of the Bible.

Then you have the whole "cultural Christian" movement which is just a churches up way of saying white supremacists.

Hell, I live in a corner of legal state where weed dispensaries are still illegal because the high Mormon population.

I think you're citing an out of date out of touch poll. The right is pretty much intertwined with religion to the point they think the president is the reincarnation of a Persian king from 1000 BC. Look up an Evangelical group that was formerly known as "the Family" and "C Street", I don't know what they go by now but it's basically a cult most Republican and some "Family values" Democrats are in that pushes very conservative legislation.
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Eliza Nimmerdock - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 11:58:46 EST +8irr0Qf No.178033 Reply
>>178032
White supremacism has nothing to do with christianity. It is how evil men like the KKK try to make themselves look less heinous by associating themselves with something good. Like watching mafioso saying he goes to church sometimes and is a good Catholic.
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Matilda Hundlefidge - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 12:35:45 EST wFK2Hm63 No.178035 Reply
>>178033
I wouldn't say they have nothing to do with each other, colonialism was justified by a white supremacist world view and spread around the world under the banner of a cross.
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Esther Nerrywater - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 13:38:42 EST fSlq9ETD No.178037 Reply
>>178036
Oh look the pathetic right wing terroristic satanist is at it again
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Rebecca Greencocke - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 14:30:11 EST wy89TaBN No.178039 Reply
>>178037
>Oh look the pathetic right wing terroristic satanist is at it again

What fucking world are we even living in anymore?
I don't even get society anymore. I want off this shitty ride.
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Ernest Sipperhood - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 15:32:22 EST irW7xj0g No.178040 Reply
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>>175316
Aaaaand now right wing media is trying to blame mass shooters on weed.

You love to see it, folks.
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Henry Mingerfield - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 21:20:27 EST EkR/2o+k No.178051 Reply
>>178040
That shitty article is already dead in the water. If there was even trace amounts of weed in any of these crazy fucks systems then politicians and the media both would have already been running with that story instead of digging up the corpse of the "video games cause mass shooters" scapegoat.
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Esther Blusslefure - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 22:22:19 EST Jb7tX+Ic No.178054 Reply
>>178039
it used to be much worse.
A literal madman doing some terrorist shit ONLY killing under 20 people is nothing compared to the 1970s when we had terrorists groups blowing up cars every single weekend.

Not to mention other parts of the world, the western world has spared itself the violent terrorism that goes on WEEKLY everywhere else, just we never hear about it. Now that the turn of the century has happened (this was all predicted by Orwell and numerous other political authors) we're going through a new spurt of terorrism. Again, nothing is new here, this has gone on since the dawn of mankind where idle young men would go on a pillaging ramage to slay some priests in a foreign land or whatever https://youtu.be/puiDdRc_Yuo
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Graham Claydale - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 04:19:21 EST tlilhxRg No.178056 Reply
>>178054
> it is the highest level of atheism ever
Oh fuck right the fuck off, 70% of Americans still think that being atheist is a moral problem.

Compared to fucking Europe, the USA is motherfucking ISIS-Taliban land.
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Nell Boggleridge - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 05:24:08 EST M/Ws53KS No.178061 Reply
>>178056

>the USA is motherfucking ISIS-Taliban land.

In some areas this is literally the case though, instead of Islam is fundamentalist and extremist Christianity. Religious zealots with guns just waiting for an excuse.
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Polly Chocklewater - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:04:44 EST 2frQs8IP No.178072 Reply
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49308016

A basementdweller just got caught trying to shoot up a mosque near Oslo, Norway. He was armored and armed with shotguns and handguns.

Would've been a massacre hadn't the people there reacted as fast as they did, apparently a 75 year old dude managed to grab him. They tied him down and held him until the police arrived.

First Breivik and now this. I guess we're infected with whatever the fuck the US has.
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Nell Sopperbury - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 15:42:04 EST Yh87pERG No.178074 Reply
>>178072
>I guess we're infected with whatever the fuck the US has.
Mmm, yes, video games. It certainly can't be the growing influence of right wing thinking around the globe.
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Rebecca Hegglebidging - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 21:10:56 EST 2frQs8IP No.178090 Reply
>>178074

Vidya needs to be banned dude, is it not clear it leads to fascism? What about B.J. Blazkowicz, that sounds like a German name and that's what kids these days play.
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Kirtaner !Ub4TCdRjOM - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:19:15 EST iCBOF2CI No.178117 Reply
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>>178072
This dude posted on end chan and tried to livestream it. The old man presumably took him down when he had an enthusiastic fit posting that the stream wasn’t working.

Also, respect, hotwheels
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Doris Sittingbirk - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 23:58:18 EST xoxtDbYE No.178120 Reply
What? Is this site opposite world? How much pot do you have to smoke to believe Jewish lies?
Inb4 banned for antisemitism because jovial jews run the site.
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Eliza Fizzlefuck - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 06:57:08 EST knEJrFNN No.178125 Reply
Will USA ever improve its gun regulations?
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Wesley Niblingpot - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:21:24 EST 6PDLZpdU No.178138 Reply
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Another edgelord associated with AtomWaffen division arrested this past friday in las Vegas trying to kill jews and gays

https://www.nate-thayer.com/arrested-las-vegas-white-supremacist-had-bomb-making-factory-plotted-to-kill-jews-gays/

“Members believe in the superiority of the white race and have a common goal of challenging the established laws, social order, and government via terrorism and other violent acts,” read the FBI criminal affidavit in Las Vegas federal court Friday

Climo “was discharged from the military after approximately 11 months for actions related to not being able to perform specific required duties,” according to the FBI. Climo was attached between November 3, 2014 and May 22, 2015 to the US Army Reserve, 386th Engineer Battalion based out of Sloan, NV, with a speciality of 12B, a Combat Engineer, according to separate U.S. military records. Combat engineers go through 14 weeks of specialized training which include training in building, placing and detonating mines, IED’s, and other explosives.

Climo was being held on a charge of possession of an unregistered firearm, specifically the component parts of a destructive device, officials said. If convicted, he faces up to 10 years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine.
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Hamilton Pockville - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:56:23 EST k4enMT4C No.178140 Reply
>>178117
>livestream your mass shooting
>get tackled by an old man before you can kill anyone

lol what a loser
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Hedda Gublinglock - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:34:45 EST 6PDLZpdU No.178142 Reply
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>>178139


Hilarious how he was trying to make full auto rifles or LMGs "legal".

In 2015 Climo sought to legalize fully automatic weapons in the U.S., according to a petition discovered by journalist Nick Martin.

Imagine how much mayhem 4 edgelords could cause with 4 lmgs.
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Simon Fuckingville - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:41:07 EST Cu1OsUFs No.178144 Reply
>>178142
They're already legal for people that go through the right steps to get them. A twat like him not knowing that isn't surprising.
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Walter Pittway - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 03:32:06 EST Zhdk+f9U No.178152 Reply
>>178151

I think at this point the US can be declared an active war zone. How soon until I can apply for asylum somewhere else?
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Hugh Creggleworth - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:53:45 EST E2Yofruj No.178156 Reply
>>178152
I don't think you can make generalizations about that. In metropolitan cities & other areas with gun restrictions it's way better than in the sticks.
This means however there are bound to be some rural areas with even more gun deaths and I wouldn't be surprised if being shot leads on this metric there.
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Charles Funnerfure - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:14:45 EST fxZPTs+O No.178172 Reply
>>178156
The cities are probably the least safe since gang violence occurs there. The problem isn't the guns, but the socioeconomic system that impels people to commit violent crime to survive. But banning guns would be easier - if far less effective - than overhauling the fundamental social relations of AmeriKKKan society.
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Molly Soblingspear - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:06:12 EST 2frQs8IP No.178174 Reply
>>178117

Apparently the police has the video from his gopro camera. He failed the livestream but he seem to have recorded the whole shit.
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Eliza Blythegold - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:32:25 EST E2Yofruj No.178175 Reply
>>178172
Well it's both.
For Americans guns are more akin to "a hobby".
For the Swiss it's a serious tradition that prevented the fascists from even trying to invade their country.
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Eliza Blythegold - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:38:35 EST E2Yofruj No.178176 Reply
>>178172
What I mean is gun regulation also works, look at Australia.
Or about every country in Europe: You can own pretty muchany type of non-automatic gun, but you have to be serious about it. Gun owners are required to train regularly and gun club membership is mandatory. There's also strict regulations on how to carry, where it is allowed, what quntity allowed for home defense and what has to be kept in the gun club locker, etc...
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Jarvis Drabberbury - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:27:19 EST rp365JcO No.178179 Reply
>>177888
>Antifa is a left organization
Liberal as I may be, Antifa? I have little clue what it is, aside from a right-wing
whiny thing that just pops up. For no apparent reason.
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Jarvis Drabberbury - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:25:08 EST rp365JcO No.178181 Reply
Obama gonna take your guns. So buy guns and ammo in mass quanities, Become
an active member of the NRA.

A neighbor exclaimed he bought guns because Obama took office. Smokes pot a lot. Kinda weird.
But has yet to actually shoot any. I told him over and over. Go to a hunter safetly course. Inexpensive,
don't need to seek be a hunter. The basics of gun safet, handling firearms with common sense.
It's all there.

The self-protection outfits pout there train as offensive, as oppsed to common sense defensive
gun ownership.

In colorado we have 'make-my-day law.' Where one may use weapons to defend self-and property at their residence. But a burglar entering ones house, doesn't meany u have to actually shoot somebody.

And few deaths have happened. It is not an unreasonable law. It was just a Republican political anti-liberal
scheme. If it were non-political in the anti-liberal sense. That would make it that much more viable in reason why it was passed.

One episode, a guy was angry knocking at somebodys door. Homeowner shot the person through the door.
Was not prosecuted, although there was a serious argument beforehand. It was a scrren door, if the 'victim'
wanted to he could have gained entry.

That piece-of shit that shot Trevon, how in any sence did he get away with that.

Another episode, a 'supposedly' intoxicated person accidently went into sombody residence, and was killed.
At least sume up a situation, if not immediatly threatened, if one has a few moments to do so.
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Simon Canderbet - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 02:44:52 EST xlt30iDE No.178185 Reply
>>178181
While Zimmerman is a complete and utter fucktard, he was in the right to shoot Trayvon Martin. Now that the media circus behind that is dead, he shouldn't have been following around people playing neighborhood hero but when Martin assaulted him for simply following him around, he lost all possible benefit of the doubt.

You can't just beat the shit out of someone and slam their head into concrete just because they are following you and trying to see what you're doing late at night in a gated community. That shit was all media horseshit. Of all the wrongful claims of self-defense, that was about the worst one to latch on to. They spent a year on that shit but gave a real issue like Philando Castille like 15 minutes.
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Emma Drorrystid - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 02:48:19 EST wFK2Hm63 No.178186 Reply
>>178185
If it was the other way around and he was following Zimmerman the outcome would have been the same. At the end of the day it was an adult killing a kid and a message to a portion of America that their kids cease being kids when they leave the house around the age of 8 and there are life and death consequences for them that are non-issues for white kids.
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Hugh Sorringwell - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:46:36 EST mK5Q73ZG No.178206 Reply
"Still talking about Epstein, eh? Here, have another shooting."

  • US Government, 2019
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Phineas Croddletuck - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:18:37 EST dbM7KxGC No.178214 Reply
>>178206
It was weird as fuck how Bob Barr talks about how there could be "a major incident may well occur at any time that will galvanize public opinion on these issues." when he was talking about the encryption backdoors he wants congress to mandate for law enforcement to use a couple days before these two shootings. Then the FBI made a big stink about how they couldn't get into the Dayton shooters phone because of the evil encryption.
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Edward Pinnergold - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:16:47 EST fxZPTs+O No.178216 Reply
>>178179
Antifa is legitimately a thing but right-wingers have an absolutely deranged mental image of it. All antifa is is a network of disparate anti-fascist organizers, usually anarchists or anti-state communists, who organize community resistance to fascist organizations. And in Oregon and Washington, there are in fact a shitload of fascist organizations, mainly rural based, which come in to Portland, Seattle, and the other big cities, to cause a ruckus and run amok. Worse, the fascists coordinate with police in order to be able to intimidate people in the city and show their force with no resistance from the community they're trying to terrorize. "Antifa" is just a catch all name for the groups taking part in the resistance to the fascists.

The problem with antifascism in America is entirely one of PR, and that's not even their own fault. Our society has highly concentrated ownership of mass media, and the owners of these media companies would prefer if the racist, white nationalist, reactionary religious fanatics in charge of organizations that engage in fights with antifascists were the ones in charge. Antifa poses far less of a threat to free speech than Rupert Murdoch or Ted Turner do, since the speech space is crowded out by their broadcasts, and people only hear of "antifa" because of their broadcasts.
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David Gabbledog - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:23:33 EST xlt30iDE No.178218 Reply
>>178216
Well, Antifa has been in Europe for decades and they weren't too terribly annoying. But the second some cunts here get in on the bandwagon they just end up being pieces of shit.

You know I'm not one for America bashing but having moved to a far less rural area and living around a major metropolitan area for a few weeks now. I'm beginning to think Americans just fucking suck in general. And honestly, the culture used to be something I kinda got on well with but then when you sorta go boots on the ground and start living the mass consumerist shit pile rat race that is just endless corporatism infecting every inch of your life... Well, maybe modern day America has lost some of its charm.

I wake up. And have to go to a job I hate where I'm solely a replaceable number. The people in charge are total fucking retards, I mean I honestly think only idiots get promoted just to piss everyone off and be an enemy of the wage slaves. Then you eat shitty food because anything decent is too expensive. Then everyone around you is just a boring clone living out a role they've been given by society since grade school. Then you battle endless traffic. Oh my god the traffic and the people who are all fighting to get 1 car ahead of you and willing to risk everything for it. Then you go live in similarly designed housing that a few other million people live in. Then you sit for a couple hours thinking about suicide and trying to make it to the weekend. And then you get told you got to work Saturday and probably Sunday. And then you start all over again and there is no end in sight.

No wonder people lose their shit and just snap. What more is there to life than just work, get shit on by everyone around you, and then fucking work some more? America has an obsession with chasing what they can't have it seems. Always striving for the next thing and bleeding themselves dry for it. And our society makes it so that there is no other options that allow you to live in civilization. I dunno bruv. Why is the greatest nation on Earth so endlessly desperate?
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Hamilton Dunnerforth - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:17:30 EST 6PDLZpdU No.178238 Reply
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>>178218

That's because sadly, the USA was founded right at the dawn of the industrial revolution and its golden years were thanks to the industrial revolution as well.
The USA has never experienced another economic system besides crony capitalism. Suggesting anything else and you will be labelled as some anti-american communist or something like that.

Look the generic suburbia family of the 50s, it was socially engineered as the epitome of American perfection when it was a model of consumerism driven on individuality but circled back to a mass movement of conformity while the corporate producers sat back and flourished as the economy grew because of the naive consumers.
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Fucking Crabberdale - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:08:52 EST Dwn3U4hp No.178252 Reply
>>178238
>That's because sadly, the USA was founded right at the dawn of the industrial revolution and its golden years were thanks to the industrial revolution as well.
That, and also because America was founded on the idea of endless free real estate for certain people. If the contradictions and cruelties inherent to the system become too much to bear, there was always the dream of moving out west and ganking some Indian land. If you died of dysentary or whatever then that's one less frustrated dissident for the system; if you succeeded then you would very quickly learn to protect the status quo. If you're still poor and angry on the other side of the country then at least you can't threaten the base of capital back east. Manifest Destiny was a safety valve for the frustrations of American capitalism, while at the same time fueling a culture of violence, selfishness, alienation, entitlement, racism and greed. Throw in an explosion of Protestant lunacy that provides a religious justification for exploitation and self-centeredness.

We no longer have that safetly valve that propped up the American Dream, but we still have that culture of violent, narcissistic tribalism all built around a political system that enshrined hatred and dehumanization. The boom provided by making it through WWII basically unscathed, and ruling over the scraps of those who weren't, has worn off. The internet has made maintaining the illusion harder and harder. And we have no more frontier to send our angry men to. That pressure can no longer escape, and it's starting to burst.

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