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>Are you saying we should just stop doing anything and wait for death to take us?
Basically yes. There is clearly no meaning to life and any attempts to ascribe one is factually and objectionably incorrect. Perhaps there is a bit of merit in hedonism but what does that serve a society in such a narcissistic state? All I know is me, myself, and I. I know what benefits me and what doesn't and it is a part of nature to elevate myself the highest I can above everyone else. It is the primitive nature of all life at its' core.
There is also no unified group think on any of this either. Utopia will never be achieved because 90% of people are complacent. 9% move the world to their own means and the last 1% if that try and make it better but it is impossible to say what is and isn't best. You say all guns should be removed from society in a perfect world but I say you logic is flawed. In such a perfect society; all guns would be legal because they wouldn't be used for ill will. Everything you ever thought can be deconstructed and flawed just because our notion of logic and reason is flawed. We are emotional beings and nothing more than some chimps that made a better way to communicate. Society and people at large are meant and intelligently designed to cooperate in a society where there is a hierarchy. Those pieces of shit at the bottom who, "Stand in welfare lines" as Fox News would put it are actually pretty accepting of their place in society. Sure they bitch and bemoan the injustices of the world but they don't actually want it any other way otherwise they would at the very least try and change something about their shitty existence but the vast majority of a populace are meant to be simple mindless worker bees who eat shitty fast food and watch TV to escape reality. I know because I'm surrounded by them. They don't ever want to sacrifice their pleasure and comfort to save money and then invest that money so that it works for them. And that is a good thing because society functions off the sole principle of 90% of it being working class losers. And I'm no aristocrat either. I'm down here with most of them as well. And honestly I'm in the same position. I don't want for a better world. Just for an end to my own.
>Well, unless you're talking about incredibly rare medical conditions, that's just not true.
Blatantly false Caroline. There are millions of people who are just going to feel like shit 24/7 about everything and without copious amounts of drugs to inflate their mood, they will never change. You also seem to be implying a requiem for primitivism. Society has always functioned in the same way it does now. In fact, 100 years ago, society was far, far more disparate in nature. And 500 years ago the society was literal feudalism. And 2000 years ago it was global slavery. These are the best times to live in yet we bandy about and state they are the worst and pretend that we haven't already made a damn near utopia. I get trying to make it better but even in a perfect world, there will always be those who just don't belong. I've met too many of them and know my own mind. Consciousness is a curse to millions of people. Just the way it works. Always has and always will unless we are all plugged into the matrix in 3003 and get dopamine pumps for our brain. Protip: We're already nearly there.
>You know it's pretty well understood that depression, suicidality, and poverty go hand in hand.
Yes and you're arguing suicide and depression from an impulsivity point of view. Someone who goes into deep debt and offs themselves because of it are many of the suicides but they aren't all and probably not even close to majority. If you're so sure of this correlation then riddle me this: Why is it that the most prosperous countries all have the highest incidents of suicide per adjusted population? Western Europe, Japan, USA all have the highest rate of suicides but are by far the most wealthy and advanced nations on Earth. Complete and utter shitholes have far lower rates of suicide and depression. Why is this? Clearly poverty may be a reason for suicide but it is far from the cause. Especially globally. Are we just enlightened to the strife of being an obese fuck with 2 cars and a trailer home here with free public education and food stamps as opposed to an Ethiopian who lives on 2 cents a day and has a mud covered stick as their worldly possessions. I guess they just don't know they're living like feral animals.
>But, we know that most people, given the choice, do want to live.
Yep most do. I never stated otherwise. On a rock in the middle of nowhere, Milky Way; there are 7 billion humans. Probably a few hundred million are just in mental torment until they die. Probably a billion are in physical torment. The will to live is a nature occurring aspect in all forms of life. And just like anything else with life, it can fuck up and it usually goes extinct because it is uncompetitive in the wild. I won't be breeding or having offspring because I have no motivation to seek sex or even a want to. Thus a genetic failure dies out just as intended.
>You clearly want to live a better life, you just feel it is inaccessible to you
You're clearly projecting here. I stated the absolute opposite. I've lived a pretty damn good life by most standards; enough to know what being retired means during my teenage years. But I lost it all due to depression and just fucking up in life. You walk into a busy street with your eyes closed and lose the ability to walk for the rest of your life. Failure in life comes with consequences. I don't claim my former life to the nature of success. Because I didn't build that success, it was just luck of the draw. But even then I wasn't happy as I previously stated. I was just bored and ready to die even then. Now that I've been kicked down to the level of working for 10 dollars an hour with trailer trash, ghetto ass black folk, and convicts, I just want out even more. But I don't want for more crumbs. I don't want for more consumerist junk to fill my McMansion. I don't want a 100k dollar Ford pickup. I've seen too much of both sides of the fence.
None of this shit matters to me and it is only naivety that drives this pseudo-socialist nonsense. If your life sucks, being higher up the totem pole isn't going to change that fact. You think Orange-in-chief is a happy individual? He reeks of insecurity, obsession, and just a sadness behind a cowards mask. I know it because I've been there. He has literally everything in the world just literally handed to him on a gold platter. Just imagine that. You have literally all the power in the world that is possibly feasible yet he still probably thinks to himself at night, I'm insecure about this or that. And like all of us, death will eventually have his day. There is no escaping from the simple fact that the answer to life is death.
So I'm not blaming reality, I'm not blaming myself, and I'm not blaming any other people. It is just the way the game goes sometimes. And it is an efficient and progressive manner for society to function in. Look how far man has come under such "deplorable" conditions that folks so often deride. With a legion of serfs, a few learned individuals, and some royal enforcement; society gets on pretty fucking well I'd say. You can't make people enjoy life and you can't make people all equal because they simply aren't.
I'm not submissive to reality. I'm accepting to it. Change will come and post-scarcity if a hell of a drug. There is so much about society and civilization that is about to change in 50-100 years that it will be like living in the stone age and being launched into the industrial age in the blink of an eye. But the good news is that me, you, and Spunky will all be dead before we experience the true post-singularity age. Honestly, robots will probably eliminate biological life or at the very least enslave all of them. So I guess be thankful that you're among the last free humans.
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