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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

Virgin Rail/Brightline Begins Construction to Orlando

- Sat, 25 May 2019 13:01:22 EST PlPYyJaR No.176036
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For the first time in American history, two large cities will be connected by high-speed rail.
Branson is "100% positive" of a route to Tampa.

I wonder how this will affect development in Florida which is usually urban sprawl.
Fucking Blellerstone - Sat, 25 May 2019 14:32:24 EST M/Ws53KS No.176039 Reply

If it goes through, it will be fucking huge and could transform a lot of Florida. The biggest hurdles are getting people out of the way of the rail lines which means imminent domain usage or trying to buy people off their land, which is a pain in the ass in the best case scenario, but a lot of places in Florida are straight up insane quasi cult-like towns.
Ebenezer Ducklespear - Sat, 25 May 2019 20:25:56 EST PlPYyJaR No.176043 Reply
It will go through, they already own the land, raised the funds and have started construction.

But if Orlando becomes some kind of "high-speed rail hub" that will drastically change the city.
Matilda Chazzlenone - Sun, 26 May 2019 01:15:28 EST M/Ws53KS No.176048 Reply

Well that's good because Orlando is a pile of shit anyways. So is the rest of Florida, actually.
Cedric Saddlestock - Mon, 27 May 2019 13:57:47 EST Rn5UnJF4 No.176080 Reply
Define high speed rail and explain why the acela isn't high speed, please.
Matilda Sugglehet - Mon, 27 May 2019 14:25:40 EST QgwvDyjp No.176081 Reply
>The United States Code defines high-speed rail as services "reasonably expected to reach sustained speeds of more than 125 mph
Portions of it are high speed, it gets up to 150 in places, but it doesn't sustain that for anything more than short stretches, about 30 miles out of the 450 total., and not between any major cities.

>Acela operates along routes that are used by freight and slower regional passenger traffic, and only reaches the maximum allowed speed of the tracks along some sections, with the fastest peak speed along segments between Mansfield, Massachusetts and Richmond, Rhode Island.
>The Acela's speed is limited by traffic and infrastructure on the route's northern half. On the 231-mile section from Boston's South Station to New York's Penn Station, the fastest scheduled time is 3 hours and 30 minutes, or an average speed of 66 mph. The entire 457-mile route from Boston to Washington takes around 6 hours, 45 at an average of around 70 mph.
Ernest Weddlechodge - Tue, 28 May 2019 00:47:20 EST jva21RDW No.176091 Reply
This is great, but I feel like we're not going to get very far if we rely solely on private investment alone!
I doubt it will affect development too much, my guess is the only thing it's going to do, they're going to invest heavily in expensive condos by the train stations, to assure high class ridership.
Most American cities need better urban transit networks, to be accessible to as many people as possible, and I hope high speed rail between cities doesn't just end up exclusively for the wealthy. When it comes to transit being made inside most cities right now, it's mostly street cars with the help of private investors, that are there just to serve and add value to high class neighborhoods.
Priscilla Godgedale - Tue, 28 May 2019 09:48:03 EST 4scaaRdR No.176102 Reply

one of the big things holding public transit back in the US is rich old white racist NIMBY's who don't want the brown unwashed masses coming into their enclaves
Nell Wangerchedging - Tue, 28 May 2019 13:55:04 EST PlPYyJaR No.176107 Reply
>I doubt it will affect development too much, my guess is the only thing it's going to do, they're going to invest heavily in expensive condos by the train stations,

That would affect development a lot.
Having a high concentration of wealthy people in an area will attract a lot of other businesses to cater to them.
Phoebe Werrywock - Tue, 28 May 2019 20:31:30 EST jva21RDW No.176126 Reply
Problem is, that could just end up displacing urban poor people in that area, who still don't have access to robust and well connected transit, because private investors don't want to invest into their communities without planning to displace them even further.
Hamilton Pemmerbock - Tue, 28 May 2019 22:50:32 EST 9NLCPqja No.176128 Reply

I live in the area and I'm really excited for this. Being able to take a train to Miami will make life much easier. I've ridden Brightline from West Palm Beach to Miami and it's great. Here's to hoping that this project is successful and they expand farther, I have encouraged my friends to take it even on its current short route when they have the opportunity.

I think that this same company is in the preliminary stages of building a line from Los Angeles to Las Vegas. ~5 hr drives is a good intercity distance for rail, far enough that it sucks to drive but not far enough to justify flying, and fuck the greyhound.
Augustus Clabberspear - Wed, 29 May 2019 07:39:46 EST XabJDN3r No.176133 Reply
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Bullet trains are the best: just ask Japan!
Nigel Bankintork - Wed, 29 May 2019 17:16:11 EST PlPYyJaR No.176147 Reply
Nothing's perfect.

I'd rather have wealthy people living and investing in the city than sucking up resources from the city while taking their own money to the suburbs.

And studies have repeatedly shown displacement is a vastly over-inflated issue in the US, it only occurs in a few American cities and Orlando's definitely not one.
Jenny Blatherstone - Wed, 29 May 2019 18:41:20 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176153 Reply
These things come down to class struggle. Mass transit works in Europe because the working class fights to keep it benefiting them. In places where the workers' movement has been utterly defeated (the Anglo world), mass transit is a mess because the whole system caters to the interests of elites. The good news is, the Anglo's goose is cooked, and the Anglo world will be entering into protracted economic crisis very soon.
Hamilton Nimmerlat - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 14:17:32 EST PlPYyJaR No.176359 Reply
High-speed rail is mass transit.
High-speed rial encourages other mass transit to complement it, because it moves large amount of people without a car, and the station's in the middle of town (as opposed to an airport).

High-speed rail encourages denser development near the station, which is good for mass transit.
David Gecklewell - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 07:14:08 EST FYmKNQkp No.176500 Reply
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Which countries have good hi-speed rail? Japan?
Hamilton Shittinghood - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 23:21:27 EST RTrwgnrZ No.176602 Reply

yeah, I rode brightline the other day and the miami station has a massive tower of likely luxury condos built on top of it. same story in west palm beach, with the condo/apartments directly adjacent to the station. the station they're building in orlando is right next to the airport, so i doubt they will be able to build a massive skyscraper there
Archie Shakeson - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 00:14:47 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.176603 Reply
China is the world leader in high speed rail at the moment.
Polly Channerstitch - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 12:23:53 EST S5wrZ3AB No.176820 Reply
Not to mention of the building code / parking space requirement.
Since every business and housing development has to include parking space suburban sprawl is the most effective way to expand cities.

So what good is a high speed rail if you'd have to rent a car or take a taxi at the destination?
The high speed rail terminals in Europe & China are basically long distance connections between different subway systems.
Basil Bocklespear - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 10:49:33 EST WL3e2fsO No.178996 Reply

It's pretty easy to build trains in China, since if someone's house is in your way you can just declare that the land now belongs to the state, and then just put a bullet in the heads of everyone living there, burn it down, bury the bodies, and officially claim that the house never existed in the first place.
John Fagglechure - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:48:13 EST g+vb2gyp No.178997 Reply
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I don't know if china does what you described to build trains, but I do know the US seizes people's land via eminent domain and preemptively raids protesters homes while officially claiming they were rioters/terrorists to defend the profits of the capitalist class.
Reuben Billyhood - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:50:13 EST XA6VcPCV No.178998 Reply
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Imagine being an Amerifat and thinking that the concepts of eminent domain and the violent destruction of inconvenient communities for infrastructure projects are unique to the scary Asian menace.

Ebenezer Werryfuck - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:02:54 EST GESGRIqc No.179000 Reply
You stupid pieces of shit just had to drag this garbage to this thread too. I fucking hate you people.

I believe he meant proliferation-wise.
Barnaby Sassleham - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:11:26 EST fxZPTs+O No.179001 Reply
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Literally the opposite of the truth. Chinese private property owners in some cases have stronger property rights against eminent domain than Americans do!

Meanwhile, how many African-American owned houses have been expropriated by the federal government to build highways? In my own city, there's organized resistance against the construction of an interstate connector that would do just that. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because of a decades long budget crisis in Louisiana which has prevented funding for the bulldozing and construction.
Basil Habblestock - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:26:16 EST dZDaQqJv No.179003 Reply
China has lots of domestic air travel too. From what I heard the trains are reserved for people with shitty social credit so I don't imagine they'd make them super nice.

As far as no trains in the US goes, I don't think it has to do so much with them being afraid to use imminent domain laws, they do it all the time for highways. It's a commonly known fact that the auto industry lobby killed mass transit in America. I heard LA is just now trying to make street cars on the exact same routes the old trolleys used to take, essentially just rebuilding what city officials were paid to take out 60 years ago. Maybe now that Detroit is dead and these celebrity billionaires are investing in mass transit the pendulum will swing the other way. I don't see the price of the mineral used in Tesla batteries falling in price an time soon.
Barnaby Sassleham - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:40:48 EST fxZPTs+O No.179004 Reply
There are policy hacks like Peter O'Toole who through the most ridiculous of methodologies has convinced not only politicians but also a bunch of neoliberal-aligned economists that the car in America is exalted to its status by consumer choice plain and simple. It's incredible what some people can make themselves believe.
Basil Bocklespear - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:11:53 EST WL3e2fsO No.179005 Reply
>convinced not only politicians but also a bunch of neoliberal-aligned economists that the car in America is exalted to its status by consumer choice plain and simple

Well, let's see. Cars:
>leave on your own schedule, not some transit authority's dictation
>you set the destination
>clean, not full of other peoples' trash and filth
>not being driven by apathetic conductors who don't give a shit about you
>no rude people blaring shitty traphouse music through their phones the entire ride
>you control how well maintained it is
>no labor strikes
>no crime or robberies inside your car

Yeah but nah it was definitely a big car conspiracy. They brainwashed everyone into liking cars against their will. Yep. Totally.
Basil Habblestock - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:56:50 EST dZDaQqJv No.179008 Reply
They had to build infrastructure around cars, not the other way around. And car factories absolutely were a source of labor strikes and are the reason we have a 2 day weekend (Saturdays off is my favorite kind of Jewish conspiracy)
People get car jacked all the time and accidents happen all the time because everyone is a conductor and some people just don't give a shit or are just bad at driving.
There are records of the auto manufacturers buying up the mass transit in several major cities just to dismantle it, they didn't even try to hide it. Literally none of the points you made are good, yeah there are some good parts to owning a car like having your own mobile space and getting Lincoln Continental-tier pussy, but you didn't list any. Have you ever even owned one? Honestly I would rather take public transport for a daily commute. This doesn't mean I still won't own my car but having been to places with efficient public transport outside the US I think we should at least have the option. City planning and architecture in America is shit. Most the roads are over capacity in anywhere that matters, otherwise they're dead. There is a big shift in where people are living and working from the days of cold war suburban sprawl. If we don't plan and build around them we are just making our country shittier on purpose.
Barnaby Sassleham - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:06:04 EST fxZPTs+O No.179009 Reply
The independence given by cars (which is what nearly all of your points are suggestions of) depends on the ability to actually afford a car and associated expenses, which many people in car-centered urban environments can't do. That means their independence is impacted negatively by our society's emphasis on the car as default mode of transportation.

The independence given by a car is also constrained by traffic laws, traffic cops (aka highway pirates), and the fact that the highway is the single most policed place in America outside of federal penitentiaries. Then you have to deal with all the other drivers, traffic jams, car accidents (often fatal or otherwise life-wrecking), the pollution generated by cars, the waste of land as more and more has to be devoted to parking for personal automobiles, and so on. The actual independence granted by a car is heavily constrained.

The car is the default not because people choose this, but because they have no other choice. In my city, a medium-sized city which saw the bulk of its urban development from the Great Depression era onward, there's no getting around without a car, because the city has been designed around it. If you want to walk, everything is five or more miles away. If you want to bike, you have to deal with the motorists who are usually speeding or otherwise driving recklessly, unlikely to notice a bicyclist.

This is a product of industry lobbying and fucked up zoning laws. It's not the generative effect of people freely choosing things they're free to choose and all that Milton Friedman bullshit. The car is practically forced on us, and plenty of us would choose to use public transit if it was financed the same way we finance automobiles, through fiscal spending on infrastructure and subsidies for manufacturers and fuel.
Graham Fendleson - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 20:14:57 EST jEW5Pejf No.179010 Reply
I don't understand why carfags don't realize the simple notion that more people on buses = less people clogging up the fucking roads. It's like you enjoy traffic jams and road rage for some bizzare masochistic reason, or you have the boomer notion that paving over every square inch of green space will somehow fix the above instead of encouraging more people to drive (worked well for Houston and LA after all!)
Sophie Blashbig - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:52:13 EST XA6VcPCV No.179038 Reply
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It's a willful ignorance. We've known this for a while.
Barnaby Crugglechan - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:45:23 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.179043 Reply
The biggest highway in North America, the Ontario 401 is 16 lanes at some points, It almost almost always Gridlock

More lanes makes traffic worse after a point, because its not number of cars, its disruptions in flow, more cars, more potential disruption.

Can't tell car people this though. They seem to expect the world NEEDS to be built around them, and changing a city to bike, or walking, or mass transit based is like some affront to god.
Charles Sucklebury - Thu, 12 Sep 2019 05:19:04 EST 83O9eRP/ No.179059 Reply
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Japan & Netherlands show that cars do NOT have to be the main form of transport.
Frederick Miblingson - Sat, 14 Sep 2019 07:29:15 EST k4enMT4C No.179111 Reply
literally brainwashing by corporate advertising. A car is a status symbol. Those who have no car are the lowest status. It's all marketing but people lap it up and organize their entire lives around this shit.
Ian Fellerkit - Sat, 14 Sep 2019 12:13:03 EST pc+ZaetG No.179113 Reply
I agree with you only when it comes to countries that accommodate biking and reliable public transportation like some Asian and European countries. However in the United States especially in the Deep South where I currently live you need a car to get around. It’s been so commodified that everything is designed for the ease of excess with cars. There some cities in my state that don’t have any public buses at all or any bike lanes; shopping centers are spread out miles apart. Recently my transmission went out and I’m having to walk 7 miles to and from work. Hell I have to bum rides to get groceries because I can’t fit all that food in by backpack. I used frequent my local coffee shop which was a 15 minute drive, to use the bus it’s an hour and a half ride. I wish I could safely ride my bike, I wish we had a subway/rail train transit system but we don’t.
Frederick Naffingdit - Sun, 15 Sep 2019 12:54:31 EST eW7lNgCN No.179125 Reply
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Definitely this. A vast majority of US infrastructure was designed with industrial profit in mind, namely the automobile industry which has had its money in government since the start. Pretty fuckin' much makes me sick how much influence money has on everything. Haven't people heard of the bible? I mean, come on. Have some good morals man. His name is JESUS, bro. He died for our since so we can have most of our way about it is?

I mean, Alfred Sloan anybody? Essentially the father of planned obsolescence? In cahoots originally with the Ford auto company which actively supported Nazi Germany after them having been labeled an enemy of the US? It's like, the fucking auto industry is evil. Everything is fucked up man. Society is fucked up, ruled by mega corporations. It's going to take some mumbo machos to reverse this shit-stick we're mired in imho.
Reuben Ninderhedge - Thu, 19 Sep 2019 05:04:04 EST LSUq+Evb No.179228 Reply
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Just drive....

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