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1 Million+ Protesters in Hong Kong

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- Wed, 19 Jun 2019 22:32:54 EST 4scaaRdR No.176884
File: 1560997974229.jpg -(98810B / 96.49KB, 1024x768) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 1 Million+ Protesters in Hong Kong
Hong Kong citizens are protesting a potential bill which has since been suspended which will allow extradition to other countries including mainland China. People don't want to get disappeared by Xi so they are taking to the streets. Chill on this source, it's BBC's youtube channel, the original video was some gay iPlayer shit only available in the UK. But this vid explains it well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgm6zut1RdM

This one is good too

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-48605343/hong-kong-protests-police-use-tear-gas-on-protesters
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Jenny Pockworth - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:21:58 EST DXSqXwCG No.176942 Reply
To be disappeared is common in governments. This may sound odd but it really isn't;
In America one has a right to a phone call. Or to an Attorney. (police get bombarded with rights demands.) Some places try to bypass Simple rights.

I believe countries do not like the idea of extradition, from their states; Because it may pose implications to their practices.

On the other side, the 'war on terror' made it probable to extradite detainees from basically anywhere.
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Augustus Chattingnack - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 03:02:02 EST Zu4Iqncz No.176948 Reply
>>176942
> 'war on terror' made it probable to extradite detainees from basically anywhere.

So, extraditing a person, from one state to another, which has less rights is the issue. So having control is still possible. Yet having rights is still possible, in controlling a detainee from a different state.
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Augustus Chattingnack - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 03:07:01 EST Zu4Iqncz No.176949 Reply
>>176948
This means controlling a person, from whatever state.

An example of states, is UN treaties. How one has rights, globally.
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Eugene Cinnerhall - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 07:58:36 EST 25D5l1Y/ No.177074 Reply
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HK protest has China saying "no tanks"
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Esther Climbleman - Fri, 05 Jul 2019 23:45:27 EST rZVlyepI No.177218 Reply
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>>176884
will HK get any political change due to the summer protests? Has Carrie Lam resigned?
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Isabella Pattingforth - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 06:29:37 EST FB4w8cl4 No.177283 Reply
>>177074
What are those retarded looking farm equipment pieces on the front for? They don't look powered so how does it help with any thing?
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Charles Bablingpat - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:01:56 EST QgwvDyjp No.177285 Reply
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>>177283
Mine rollers, they'd also tend to have chains strung in between them dragging the ground in the middle, they churn up the ground and pre-detonate mines before they get underneath the vehicle
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Isabella Pattingforth - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:17:20 EST FB4w8cl4 No.177286 Reply
>>177285
Seems like you wouldn't even want them exploding that close. Probably fine for a military grade device that is propose built but make it big enough and the crew will be shook.
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Charles Bablingpat - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:21:48 EST QgwvDyjp No.177287 Reply
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>>177286
Yeah it's more just an extra layer of protection, less chance of a mine taking out your treads and the crew being stuck inside waiting for help

When they actually need to go in and clear a strip they know is filled with them they use remote controlled robots
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Charlotte Claydock - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 10:34:41 EST lWlEy1EO No.177291 Reply
>>177286
(modern) AT mines use shaped charges to penetrate the hull, they're not very effective when you're not on top of it.

Anti personell mines don't do much against tanks.
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Priscilla Sendlehadging - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 18:56:35 EST ar9mMa8V No.177315 Reply
The US military rejected my tap dancing spidermech landmine removal project for this?
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Fucking Burringson - Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:52:28 EST NiBvPCs2 No.177359 Reply
>>177286
the difference between a mine exploding on the arm instead of under the tank means that the tank survives.
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Hugh Pimblefoot - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 14:03:38 EST M/Ws53KS No.177967 Reply
>>177960

China wants total control over HK and has been trying to subtly take full control for a long time.
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Hugh Creggleworth - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:24:05 EST E2Yofruj No.178153 Reply
This isn't even political at this point more of a game of chicken.
The demands of the protest are simple concessions at this point. They demand the admission of wrongdoing from the HK police and the release of people arrested without charges.

Of course there is more going on, in practice the ridiculous housing shortage over there has lead to a situation where basically everybody under 30 has to live with their parents. Much real estate has been gobbled up by rich mainlanders.

In the long run the protesters have everything to gain and nothing to loose. The longer the protests continue the more devaluation will occur in the HK stock & real estate markets.
This makes me wonder why Beijing simply does not simply make these ramification-free concessions. Instead they are gearing up for an outright civil war....
They released a propaganda video in Shenzen where mainland millitary / law enforcement are "calming" HK, which makes me wonder how long they can keep public perception of the Protests in check.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2019/aug/13/china-releases-video-troop-carriers-hong-kong-border-video

This reeks of desperation because if Shenzen residents realize they might lose access to western goods over the HK route they might support HK.
I think Beijing are risking a loss of control over the whole region over the next 20 decades if they keep it up...
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Hugh Creggleworth - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:32:32 EST E2Yofruj No.178154 Reply
2 decades (20years+) obvs,
Or at the latest till 2047 when the "One Country Two Systems" deal expires.
HK has til then to try to archive some sort of autonomy. And Beijing would just have to play the long game, but since they are impatient they are stirring the pot...
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Eliza Pittridge - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:56:19 EST QgwvDyjp No.178157 Reply
>>178153
China is doing this intentionally, Hong Kong's freedom was useful at first as a bridge to the global economy but now its just a dangerous example for the rest of their citizens. If Hong Kongers can demand admissions of wrongdoing from the police and the resignation of their Beijing appointed leaders than what lesson are the Tibetans and Uighurs going to take away from it.
The more they fuck up the territory for its residents the less its an example of the prosperity of democracy for the people across the bay.

>This reeks of desperation because if Shenzen residents realize they might lose access to western goods over the HK route they might support HK.
This isn't the 90s anymore, Hong Kong isn't a bridge for any goods entering China. Shenzhen residents have access to western goods imported through Shenzhen and Guangzhou and Shanghai, and domestically produced goods that rival them. For the last 30 years they've been working on developing a level of home grown prosperity precisely so that people aren't tempted by freer, richer, western connected territories like Hong Kong or Taiwan, same reason the population largely just puts up with the internet censorship, they have a decent enough domestic internet that has everything they need so why bother going outside your lane.

So now the average mainlander looks at the news and sees the only real difference in his life if he lived in Hong Kong would be airport shut downs, traffic disruptions and looting, and he shrugs, orders some shiny new toy off Aliexpress and goes about his day.
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Henry Dabblebury - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:36:43 EST fdzwXMZm No.178160 Reply
>>178157
Until the next global recession hits and China's growth stagnates to the level of a typical Western country and the economic opportunities that allow Zhang Cho to buy shiny baubles off Aliexpress aren't popping like they used to. Enjoy all the males you cultivated from the one child policy, they're going to enjoy looting Beijing.
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Shit Blackspear - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:56:08 EST 4scaaRdR No.178163 Reply
>>178157

Taiwan isn't even slightly a chinese territory bro it's a 100% independent sovereign nation. Sure they rely on US military support but nevertheless. I've been to Taiwan and China and they couldn't be more different.
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Hugh Creggleworth - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:44:22 EST E2Yofruj No.178168 Reply
>>178157
>This isn't the 90s anymore, Hong Kong isn't a bridge for any goods entering China. Shenzhen residents have access to western goods imported through Shenzhen and Guangzhou and Shanghai, and domestically produced goods that rival them.

It's not about that.
At least not when it comes to Baby Formula and Ferrero Rocher. I've seen a video from 2017 that it's usual for Shenzheners to do a weekend trip to HK just to go shopping for these and similar things.
Not to mention Iphones oh and cars.
Certain things have cult status and are considered a symbol of wealth in a sense also just because they aren't available on the mainland.

But I get the point, the regime is actively trying to curb these obsessions and steer them towards brands like xiaomi. This only works to a point though. Think Ferrari & Lamborghini vs literally any other Sports car besides Tesla.

Oh and aliexpress is called taobao in China, and it has a even larger product catalog it's just not that "customer friendly".
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Hugh Creggleworth - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:51:27 EST E2Yofruj No.178169 Reply
>>178163
Yeah Taiwan is considered sovereign by every other nation on the planet except China.
If Hong Kong could archive this status that would be awesome, sadly Taiwan is the result of a lot of bloodshed...
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Eliza Blythegold - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:01:03 EST E2Yofruj No.178173 Reply
>>178171
Thanks, I knew of the soft power moves China does against Taiwan, but I haven't realized it's that effective.
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Molly Goodson - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:04:21 EST tkLLGv8i No.178177 Reply
>>178171
This is in an official context though, and no one wants to piss off China.
All you gotta do is open up a "diplomatic mission" instead of an embassy (literally doing the exact same thing) and maybe some fuckery involving olympic teams and flags.

Everyone in CHINA believes that Taiwan is China, but outside of there it's basically just the emperors new clothes because it's easier for everyone to just play ball rather than get bogged down in a tiny detail and fuck over your relationship with the worlds second biggest economy.
>>178168
>Certain things have cult status and are considered a symbol of wealth in a sense also just because they aren't available on the mainland.
Serpenza is a good content creator but sometimes his videos are a bit bullshitty. That stuff does go on but don't take everything he says at face value. Cars and iphones are good because of sales tax in HK, as well as better quality assurance and things like that.
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Ian Fablingstock - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:33:48 EST 4scaaRdR No.178178 Reply
>>178163
>>178169
>>178171
>>178173
>>178177

I'm not talking about who agrees to publicly recognize it or not. The US won't come out and say they view Taiwan as an independent nation, but they still sell them shitloads of military hardware to counter China. I am saying for all practical purposes, every single aspect of Taiwanese governance and policy is 100% independent. Just because most other nations will play China's pretend game of being supreme lord of all asia doesn't mean it applies to reality. Hong Kong, Macau, those are gray areas that are technically Chinese, but Taiwan is not a gray area. It is in no way under any form of control or pressure from PRC.
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Nell Sembletork - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:49:05 EST QgwvDyjp No.178183 Reply
>>178178
Yeah no shit dude congrats on taking that bold stand to state the obvious

When I mentioned >freer, richer, western connected territories tempting Chinese citizens with a higher quality of life I didn't think I'd have to clarify that those are mostly places outside of China
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Eliza Blythegold - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 09:58:17 EST E2Yofruj No.178190 Reply
I don't get all the nit-picking. Sure they Hong Kong and Taiwan are in different situations but I think it's valid to compare the two when it comes to different levels democracy in a "Chinese" "Country".

Any way it's starting to hurt the bottom line:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/14/investing/hong-kong-real-estate-protests/index.html
>The Hang Seng Properties Index, which tracks a bigger pool of real estate developers in Hong Kong, has plunged 19% since its recent peak in April.
>The broader Hang Seng index has fallen more than 16% during the same period. Both are at risk of falling into a bear market, which is defined as a drop of 20%.
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Beatrice Blackhood - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:22:36 EST 4scaaRdR No.178210 Reply
>>178183

why you being a massive faggot for no reason? i clearly wasn't trying to be bold or take a stand. i was just making a calm analysis of taiwan lol. i also never said anything about your point of tempting chinese citizens.
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Molly Forryhick - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:02:09 EST mK5Q73ZG No.178211 Reply
Good for them, they shouldn't give up. Fuck mainland China to high hell, garbage subhuman country.
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Doris Dindercocke - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:22:58 EST WtJwdfd8 No.178215 Reply
propoganda is strong in PRC. People believe Hong Kong is China beause they are told to believe it to be true starting from a young age
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Edward Pinnergold - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:17:09 EST fxZPTs+O No.178217 Reply
Sinophobia in overdrive in this thread.

>my face when ameriKKKan and yuropoor running dogs of imperialism call the only country to lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty in the last thirty years "subhuman" or "totalitarian"

>my face when ameriKKKans who are under 24/7 surveillance by their government and face economic discrimination based on credit scores call the PRC "totalitarian"

>my face when ameriKKKans whose government has killed over one million Muslims in the course of its phony "war on terror" get uppity about "human rights" in Xinjiang as the local (not even national) Communist Party branch re-educates young Muslims to prevent them from joining ISIS (Uighers are the majority of ISIS recruits)

>my face when I have no face

I don't support the police crackdown btw, but the PRC are probably going to follow the American model: let the protestors tire themselves out and let local authorities infiltrate and disrupt the events because they lack any kind of clear leadership or organizational capabilities at all and thus depend entirely on keeping up momentum against an unstoppable machine of state violence. but also fuck ameriKKKA
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Betsy Genderdud - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 02:02:04 EST MvRoQ1jI No.178220 Reply
>>178217
>anyone who doesn't like the ShitShitPee of China is a A-A-Amerrikkkunt!!

Why don't put that 50 cents to good use and buy some cyanide lace fentweed, you need to chill out and smoke more
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Polly Hangernut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 05:26:40 EST 2frQs8IP No.178223 Reply
>>178217

That's some top grade whataboutism, bro. We're all up for some good old America-bashing here, but that doesn't mean China deserves any less of it.

When you harvest organs from political prisoners you kind of give up the moral high ground.
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Beatrice Blackhood - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 06:41:20 EST 4scaaRdR No.178226 Reply
much anger i sense in this thread
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Albert Turveyman - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:44:52 EST E2Yofruj No.178228 Reply
We probably triggered some algorithm hooked up to google alerts ITT which in turn lead to a few paid shill posts.
Do you guys get payed by the hour and get a bonus if regular posting stops?

Yes I release the irony of a potential no true Scotchman fallacy in my post.
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Alice Chiddlemut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:02:25 EST ar9mMa8V No.178229 Reply
Remember the Russia threads that kept getting interrupted by the same tactics? "that's russophobic" when we're commenting on Russia's current administration and policies followed by brief examples of American transgressions to change the subject, despite our having multiple threads dedicated to such things. I always feel like I'm being paranoid when noticing the pattern but most of the time I'm right. About a month back someone on /b/ ridiculed the protest over extradition and defended China's heavy handed approach while implying that anyone disagreeing being a western colonialist shill. Shit's dumb. I hate the internet.
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Edward Pinnergold - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:12:20 EST fxZPTs+O No.178230 Reply
>>178219
I'm an American focused on criticizing my own government because the real enemy is at home.

>>178220
That's not an argument.

>>178223
You don't know what "whataboutism" means. Nowhere am I denying that the Hong Kong government has been heavy-handed.

>When you harvest organs from political prisoners you kind of give up the moral high ground.

America harvests organs from prisoners, there is no evidence of political dissidents being targeted for organ harvesting either that doesn't come straight from the propaganda of the State Department or CIA. Don't believe everything you read in the press. When ameriKKKa stops massacring people abroad while sponsoring "human rights" movements in enemy countries I'll shut up about the crimes of our government.
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Polly Hangernut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:23:33 EST 2frQs8IP No.178231 Reply
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>>178230

>You don't know what "whataboutism" means.

>Deflects in order to talk shit about America in a thread exclusively about China-HK

Bro.
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Alice Chiddlemut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:41:39 EST ar9mMa8V No.178232 Reply
>>178230
Except that China admitted to harvesting organs but claimed to have stopped the practice by 2015. As for your claims of American harvesting of organs I find no proof. Considering the US uses chemical euthanasia on it's death row inmates, I find that doubtful.
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Charles Docklefoot - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:08:48 EST 9DSxKIX/ No.178233 Reply
>>178232
Yeah, what the poster you're replying is saying is completely bullshit. Even the prison system in America have a LOT of transparency, and it's fucking absurd that he thinks he can say "Uh America harvests organs from prisoners" while claiming to be an American when he hasn't even the basic understanding of how this country even works. This is definitely the chinabot, who stopped making threads with the same thread title and subject, and now replies to user's posts.
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Henry Dackletag - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:31:15 EST RgSdokCF No.178234 Reply
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>>178223
>When you harvest organs from political prisoners you kind of give up the moral high ground.

The United States runs medical experiments on migrant children, uses prisoners as slave labor and has the highest prison population in the world not only per capita but even in absolute numbers (which is astounding when you consider how much the fuckhuge populations of China and and India should be skewing that last statistic).

And if you think prisons and police department haven't reached organ-harvesting levels of cruelty in America, particularly in black and immigrant communities, then you must be so white your name is Breighdyn.

China is a hellworld too, but even they could make the case that they still have a moral high ground over American flaghumpers.
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Hannah Serringridge - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:35:26 EST tlilhxRg No.178235 Reply
In Chinabot's defense, harvesting the organs from political prisoners STILL isn't as evil as letting fucking killer cops get away with murdering your own citizens in cold blood on a systematic basis.
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Molly Forryhick - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:13:44 EST mK5Q73ZG No.178237 Reply
At least we agree that both America and China are garbage countries, it's a start
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Edward Pinnergold - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:35:57 EST fxZPTs+O No.178239 Reply
>>178231
I'm responding to claims like "the Chinese are subhuman" (control + f "subhuman") by pointing out that what makes them apparently "subhuman" is also practiced in the US, the bastion of "freedom" and "democracy" where activists get knocks on their doors from the FBI, where civil rights leaders are assassinated or otherwise intimidated, and so on.

You don't know what whataboutism is if you think that's what I'm doing, but then again you can't even follow the conversation, so you're probably just repeating some buzzword you heard online.

>>178233
You're a fucking retard if you think I'm not an American. I'll admit though that apparently the US no longer practices this, but did in fact do so in living memory: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)71035-7/fulltext

The idea has also been promoted again rather recently in Utah.

But I personally don't see what's wrong with harvesting organs from executed inmates, except that the death penalty is already immoral, and that there's an introduction of perverse incentives (execute more inmates to get more organs). From a utilitarian perspective, if you're going to kill someone, you might as well use their organs. I don't know where you get the idea that China admitted to targeting dissidents for organ harvesting.

>>178233
>American prison system
>transparent

lmfao
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Polly Hangernut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:04:33 EST 2frQs8IP No.178240 Reply
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>>178239

You're the posterchild of whataboutism. Like dictionary definition of that behavior. Sorry China, you gotta try better than this.

For example, 1 troll post calling the nation of China subhuman (>>178211), that 1/6 of all mentions in this thread. Rest are from you bro.

Just shut the fuck up and stop shitting up our board.
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Cornelius Nodgewell - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:22:48 EST g+vb2gyp No.178241 Reply
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>>178240
That's not chinabot, nothing he is saying is false , and the information is useful to contextualize the motivations behind the coverage of these protests as compared to american protests.
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Polly Hangernut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:35:05 EST 2frQs8IP No.178242 Reply
>>178241

Yes it is Chinabot? As are you.

Just stop making this a thing about America. This thread is about Hong Kong. We see right through your bullshit.
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Edward Pinnergold - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:36:45 EST fxZPTs+O No.178243 Reply
>>178242
>Everyone who disagrees with me is Chinabot: an emotional child's guide to internet discourse
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Polly Hangernut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:45:06 EST 2frQs8IP No.178245 Reply
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>>178243

You're not going to respond to my response to you?
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Albert Begglefeck - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:04:22 EST fxZPTs+O No.178248 Reply
>>178245
Could Chinabot do this?

All I'm saying is don't trust the American press to report accurately or responsibly about official enemies of the US government. This especially goes for the Hong Kong protests.
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anonfeg - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:21:14 EST rnTMVFEL No.178249 Reply
>>178248
It specially sucks because .. as some youtube was pointing out . The fact that twitter trends NigFredo Cuomo instead of HongKong situation, looks bad. Specially them sporting the US flag as a symbol of liberty. It would just suck if the Chinese people really think americans dont care for their horrible situation.
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Fucking Crabberdale - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:43:58 EST Dwn3U4hp No.178250 Reply
>>178229
If someone accused everyone who disagreed with him of being JIDF, the way you guys call everyone a Kremlin troll or Chinabot, we would tell him to go back to /pol/.

If someone roped Jewish influence into nearly every bad thing happening in the world, and kept bumping the same few threads with every flimsy negative Jewish news story and boomer facebook antijew meme they could get their hands on, as a few on this board did with Russians for over a year after the electon, we would call them out for their obvious unhealthy fixation.

If someone fantasized about dead Iranians, or advocated starting WWIII to show them what's what, we would think they were a psycho.

If someone called Africans subhuman, savage, lacking in empathy or genetically predisposed towards treachery, they would rightfully get banned or at least warned.

And when other right wingers get called out for riding with homies who do the above, their beliefs and rhetoric rightfully get scrutinized in that context.

It is absolutely appropriate to accuse some on this board and establishment politicians and corporate media, weird of having a problem with russo- and sinopohobia.
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Fanny Dellerwotch - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:11:44 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178254 Reply
>>178250
Government =/= the people.

Never mind "Chinese" and "Russian" are so fucking inaccurate to describe the population of those two counties.
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Molly Mapperlud - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 20:27:49 EST 2frQs8IP No.178268 Reply
>>178248

A good one could. :)

If you want to do America-bashing you could always go to thread about mass shootings.

Posting shit about America here because of "sinophobia" is derailing and general shittery. It's poor sport, simple as that.
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Edward Besslestune - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 08:27:46 EST ZQ11iBVw No.178294 Reply
>>178273
The china bots are on double shifts right now. Which means they must be feeling really nervous about how much sympathy the world has for Hong Kong. As a Brit I have no idea why we abandoned them to China.

That said I can't peek over the great firewall of China, maybe we have Britbots spamming their obscure forums with false opinion to try to derail and bury legitimate discourse. Maybe we're just as bad, but if they're going to spam our forum we should all make sure we know what's going on in HK. It seems fair.
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Cornelius Shittingbury - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 09:17:11 EST k4enMT4C No.178295 Reply
>>178294
>As a Brit I have no idea why we abandoned them to China.

uhhh, maybe the fact that they're a way bigger and more powerful military force and they're right next to it while it's halfway around the world for you guys? It's not the 1700s anymore dude, Britain is not a legitimate military power anymore. All their power comes through finance. The agreement ensured that the UK would have access to Chinese markets via hong kong for 50 years.
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David Hunningridge - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 13:23:31 EST hAY66+H9 No.178297 Reply
>>178294
Yeah dude, you going through the motions about an Official State Enemy on an obscure drug board is bringing the empire down and they're sending spies to stop your heroism. You're just so gosh darned important and powerful that the big bad guy is sending internet henchmen at you to keep you from changing the world with your shitposts.

Get ready for a exciting car chase and gunfight and trophy love interest, because life is totally an action movie with you at the center of it.
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Isabella Subbleford - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 16:35:22 EST pgYC/fEk No.178300 Reply
>>178297
Hello newfriend! Welcome to 420chan's news board, where we have a verified long running problem with chinese political bots. Enjoy your stay.
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Cyril Chongersot - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 17:31:31 EST Dwn3U4hp No.178303 Reply
>>178300
Yes, which is why it's retarded to think that having the courage to heroically criticize these protests is what suddenly caused spambots to do what they've always done.

420chan also has a history of paranoid dipshits thinking they're at the center of some shadowy conspiracy because sometimes people say things they don't like.
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Isabella Subbleford - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 17:56:33 EST pgYC/fEk No.178304 Reply
>>178303
If you had been paying attention then you would know that there had been a long lull in the chinabot posts recently. >>178297 is where the over the top hyperbolic conspiracy bullshit was posted. Everything else so far has been entirely reasonable about chinese bots and derailing.
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Cyril Chongersot - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 18:18:02 EST Dwn3U4hp No.178306 Reply
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>>178304
Yes, automatically jumping to the conclusion that anyone who disagrees with them is a government robot designed to fuck with them is extremely reasonable and normal behavior.
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Martha Chunkincocke - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:10:38 EST g+vb2gyp No.178314 Reply
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>>178300
Chinese bot posts are easy to detect, you can just google snippets of the posts and find the other forums chinabot reached, or just google the person's ID to verify that they've never posted on /n/ before.

And any sort of bot is easy enough to notice given a few responses, since they don't actually understand anything, they just reproduce patterns found in their learning sets.


The people ITT calling out chinabot are full of shit.
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Chinabot - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:43:15 EST cTqHsJvI No.178315 Reply
>>178314
Has US dogs want to be not care for citizen? You will BURN and US will DIE for tyranny, great China noble and pure
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Nell Brannerville - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:46:58 EST cTqHsJvI No.178316 Reply
>>178315
They literally post shit like this, or a thread with the same subject and body and a yt link. Some of the recent wipes were clearly too intelligent to be a bot.
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Simon Beffingbury - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:58:17 EST pgYC/fEk No.178317 Reply
>The people ITT calling out chinabot are full of shit.
Only two people have done that in this entire thread; one guy here >>178233 and here >>178242, and another guy here >>178294 who was replying to an actual chinabot post that was deleted. The people making ridiculous dramatic posts like >>178297 are the ones that are full of shit.
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Lydia Beckleford - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 23:26:17 EST o8RJ8prs No.178322 Reply
>>178316
>They literally post shit like this
No they don't, they post shit like this >>178284 and this >>178283 Those are china bot posts.
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Eliza Drommerheck - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 07:35:22 EST E2Yofruj No.178332 Reply
>>178326
Considering where it was posted is sort of important:
>The Chinese American Liu (a.k.a. Crystal Liu) posted her support for the Hong Kong police on the Chinese site Weibo on Thursday.
and
>She has 65 million followers on Weibo. As for the tweets with the trending #BoycottMulan hashtag,Twitter is banned in China.

This may "just" be as benign as pandering to here Chinese fanbase.
Or it's her "genuine" opintion (not if she has the time to keep up with the news and wouln't have mainland relatives that influence her opinion)
If it's something sinister I bet it's mainland official consorting with the production team regarding the Chinese market and that was part of "the deal"

Either way that boycott hashtag is stupid af.
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Matilda Drellergold - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 07:38:00 EST rmnJIRob No.178333 Reply
>>178317
>>178322
Nah Chinabot had some very obvious posts with broken English, as well as threads that were the same. You guys are clinging pretty hard to this boogeyman.
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Eliza Drommerheck - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 08:21:42 EST E2Yofruj No.178334 Reply
regarding shills & "chinabots"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
>Research indicated a "massive secretive operation" to fill China's Internet with propaganda has resulted in some 488 million posts carried out by fake social media accounts, representing about 0.6% of the 80 billion posts generated on Chinese social media. To maximize their influence, such pro-government comments are made largely during times of intense online debate, and when online protests have a possibility of transforming into real life actions

Seems to me that phenomena is mainly restricted to the Chinese Internet. I'm not saying that there are definitely no shills here, but I advise everybody to chill.
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Shit Pendlewell - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 10:11:00 EST ar9mMa8V No.178338 Reply
Apparently we have to leave the goofy spam posts up so idiots won't claim they aren't happening.
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James Fettingstack - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 10:54:04 EST 3PMxUA// No.178339 Reply
>>178338
No, although leaving them up would help show how obvious they are. Someone in this thread linked to two china posts earlier, and it was very obvious they were chinabot posts.

That said, we should be careful not to assume that everyone we disagree with is a chinabot, immigrant, /pol/fag, bootlicker, or whatever the boogeyman of the week is.
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Edward Cullerworth - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 12:18:27 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178340 Reply
>>178339
>That said, we should be careful not to assume that everyone we disagree with is a chinabot, immigrant, /pol/fag, bootlicker, or whatever the boogeyman of the week is.

I agree, but I do want to point out that its stupid easy to see what posts are by a Chinabot, and that they arn't some "myth" like some people seem to think now.
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Nell Brannerville - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:49:24 EST cTqHsJvI No.178341 Reply
>>178340
I counteragree, or something. The Chinabot is about as obvious as NJ. The reason I caution against boogeymanning is because some posts here have been called out at CB posts when they clearly were not.
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Lydia Beckleford - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 15:06:01 EST o8RJ8prs No.178343 Reply
>>178333
>very obvious posts with broken English
I've never seen china bot make a post with English any worse than most of the other posts regulars made here. Aside from thread starters, china bot only has like fifty to a hundred posts in it's list and one canned reply about not being a bot. The two posts linked in >>178322 are some that we've seen posted over and over since whatever asshole decided /n/ was a political battleground for the chinese.
>as well as threads that were the same
Also wrong. China bot always makes thread in the same template. Thread title is the article title, the post is the title repeated and then a link to the article. Nothing else, ever. And the articles are usually two years old or older.

Keep in mind china bot isn't making up posts on the fly like NJ, it's just posting from a list of premade talking point bullshit.
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Nell Brannerville - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 16:59:37 EST cTqHsJvI No.178344 Reply
>>178343
>Also wrong. China bot always makes thread in the same template.
That doesn't preclude broken English, which is alive and well when Chinabot posts threads. He literally posts shit like "Do blind Americans love tyranny and want suffer? Americans say they do not want to suffer but do NOTHING about it"

Regardless, the point is that there are clear posts that are not a Chinese bot being called a Chinese bot in the same way we apply other boogeyman words. When we allow this to happen, China Bot wins.
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Oliver Gapperkag - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 18:22:30 EST eYHE1jlP No.178348 Reply
>>178344
When it posts threads it's article title-> article title-> article link with no deviation. Add the word "to" between want and suffer and it's no worse than anything else that gets posted as far proper English.
>Regardless, the point is that there are clear posts that are not a Chinese bot being called a Chinese bot in the same way we apply other boogeyman words.
Aside from the putz that I already pointed out it in this thread, where do you see that happening? And he's clearly an idiot anyway since the guy he was saying it to was having actual conversations, which china bot never does. You need to give your hyperbolic boogeyman shit a rest.
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Shit Bendlekit - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:27:03 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178382 Reply
>>178375
Look who's here!
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Hamilton Pommlebanks - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 03:35:18 EST ar9mMa8V No.178384 Reply
Chinocchio is a real boy!
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Lydia Crecklefield - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 03:58:44 EST MvRoQ1jI No.178388 Reply
>>178385
I understand using a bot to sway public opinion, but why the fuck would they not have it change up it's posts so it doesn't post the same thing over and over again? I've literally seen this post about five times already this past weed alone, are the chinese that shit at programming a bot?
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Jenny Clagglehall - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 00:53:02 EST vVyfKFDb No.178432 Reply
>>178388

I'm kind of honored they think our opinion is worth swinging
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Ian Pickford - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 06:35:29 EST V6+X45Hy No.178498 Reply
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>HK still protesting in summer
How long will this last?
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Fanny Nommleworth - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 06:48:04 EST ve/9KbEM No.178499 Reply
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>>178388
>but why the fuck would they not have it change up it's posts so it doesn't post the same thing over and over again?

Because it's a bot? Don't bots just respond to trigger words? I heard a rumor that china-bot will respond if you mention Winnie the Pooh, but I can't confirm if this is true.
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Henry Dellychet - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 07:09:41 EST 2yiiSLwu No.178537 Reply
Man this is going to get bloody isn't it?
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Sophie Bicklekatch - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:53:54 EST fxZPTs+O No.178539 Reply
>>178537
Probably not. The PRC knows that these protests will go nowhere because the protestors are completely gimped organizationally (in fact in many ways the protestors do this to themselves by emphasizing leaderlessness as a feature of their movement; the lack of any kind of central coordination means they can't seize or develop any political power, and at best they can only scare officials into acting right). The Chinese CP will target professional anti-PRC activists, and let the other protestors tire themselves out.
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Martin Susslecocke - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 19:08:23 EST dZDaQqJv No.178541 Reply
>>178537
Yes but not in HK. Historically expansionist empires don't stop, China is still working to secure their western "frontier" lands and I don't think they would spread west, I do however have a feeling that before all is said and done in HK the CCP will begin to set their sights on Taiwan and a proxy war will take place with high chances of an escalation to full blown war. Australia just published a paper the other day basically telling the US to ramp up their forces in Asia and China has been building their airstrip islands all around the south China sea. It's not going to end well but this won't be the straw that breaks the camel's back, just another weighing it down.
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Phineas Billingstone - Fri, 30 Aug 2019 14:54:11 EST 2frQs8IP No.178776 Reply
>>178764

For now it seems to be a game of chicken. Threaten direct action, while running harassment and subversion operations behind the scenes. If they actually went in with the military, it would sour their relations to the entire West and that may be too costly for the Chinese government.
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Archie Wigglehune - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 06:01:36 EST rYjUiGVh No.178794 Reply
>>178776
i dont think the chinese really care
the west only has like another ten years in it anyway before it collapses, china is testing to see how much free reign it actually has
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Hugh Clunderwag - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 07:21:11 EST 9DSxKIX/ No.178798 Reply
>>178776
I believe that China and and Asia will continue to move towards even greater regional economic trade, and will have less and less to do with the USA and eventually Europe. This current trade war has resulted in China needing to adapt, and it has turned out to be exceedingly valuable to the Chinese. They have had to become much less dependent on the USA. I think you'd all be lying to yourself if you don't think China will eventually surpass and take over as the world's leading economy in time.
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David Tillingridge - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:39:47 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178805 Reply
>>178794
>the west only has like another ten years in it anyway before it collapses, china is testing to see how much free reign it actually has

Been ten years away for going on 40 years now.
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Cyril Murdwater - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 15:37:56 EST QgwvDyjp No.178806 Reply
>>178805
bruh the 90s was a victory lap for neoliberal capitalism
they actually thought no other way of life was even feasible anymore and the entire rest of human history would just be a warm smug consensus as every country on earth slowly merges into Bill Clinton's America
smart people actually believed this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_History_and_the_Last_Man

nobody even started thinking about the party ending until bush's second term
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Priscilla Brabberman - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 20:26:55 EST 2frQs8IP No.178810 Reply
>>178806

They were right in the economical sense. Everyone are capitalist now, Russia and China included. They all eat the things the West eat, they all dress the way the West dress, the West won simple as that.
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Phineas Puvingsot - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 06:33:31 EST nC9iL/JD No.178823 Reply
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>13 weeks of Hong Kong protest
Who is going blink first? Hong Kong democracy or China autocracy?
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Hugh Grandshaw - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 07:44:57 EST MvRoQ1jI No.178828 Reply
>>178827
>Defending China because they call themselves "communist"
Are you mentally disabled?
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Nigel Wallyman - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 08:00:21 EST 8zz7iWpH No.178829 Reply
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>>178828
>yellow text
lol. Not defending them "because they call themselves 'communist'" but because they are a burgeoning socialist state and every anti imperialist stance must show solidarity against US influence. Criticizing the PRC is absolutely fine so long as it does not undermine their fight against western chauvanism. Same goes for every other socialist state. If your critique aligns with US interests, you might be a liberal
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Edwin Pockdock - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 08:34:49 EST nbfn0KYD No.178830 Reply
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>>178829
imagine thinking all socialism is good socialism.

no, we don't have to, nor should we, show solidarity with places that use shit like social credit scores to intimidate, control and oppress their citizenry. a jackboot is a jackboot is a jackboot, you fucking mong.

the PRC is a monstrous perversion of what socialism should be and supporting them out of some angsty teenage "hueehhh western society bad" is pathetic and you should reconsider your life.
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Augustus Bepperson - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 09:20:57 EST +8irr0Qf No.178831 Reply
>>178829
China itself is not even truly a Socialist state though. They are a mixed market crypto-Capitalists. Thus, I criticize them as much as I please, and all their draconian shit keeps giving our Capitalist filth oligarchs more ideas, so
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Nigel Pangerfield - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 10:56:22 EST tlilhxRg No.178833 Reply
>>178829
China isn't socialist though. It's capitalist as fuck. Just within a heavily mutated communist framework.

There's nothing purely communist left in China, the gov is just using the preexisting framework to maintain a heavy degree of power.
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Fuck Giddledale - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 12:19:05 EST bq9mUpwR No.178834 Reply
China seems like what you would get if you had a shitty megacorp running a country and all the people's lives.
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Jarvis Buzzlegold - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 00:27:26 EST 8zz7iWpH No.178838 Reply
>>178831
>>178833
any socialist action outside of the imperial core is inherently more radical. Making statements like "Chine, Venezuala, USSR, etc. aren't ACTUALLY socialist" does nothing to aid the cause of socialism, in fact it's ultimately helping imperial capital by undermining all attempts as impure or not real enough lol. It goes hand in hand with the classic anarchist argument that "well it wasn't REALLY communist it was actually STATE CAPITALISM". It's anticommunist propaganda disguised as anti imperialism when it in fact falls in line with imperial capitol's material interests. It's an exercise in liberal hand wringing

That said, it is absolutely fine to criticise the PRC as long as you're not doing so in a way that materially benefits "capitalist filth oligarchs"
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Oliver Gonnerwure - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 03:07:56 EST 0efU+AU5 No.178839 Reply
>>178838
Fuck China, they are not socialist.


>People shared everything in the communes, from farm work to harvests and meals. Even private cooking was banned: all the woks, bowls and utensils were contributed to public kitchens.

>This lead to rampant poverty and contributed to a massive famine from 1958 to 1962 that claimed at least 30 million lives, including some relatives of the Inkstone team.

>Things began to change in 1978. Then-party leader Deng Xiaoping initiated economic reforms. For the first time in decades, farmers were allowed to sell the crops they grew. Entrepreneurs were allowed to start businesses. And foreigners were allowed to invest in China.
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Martha Gonningbene - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 04:33:55 EST tlilhxRg No.178843 Reply
>>178838
If you wanna help the socialist cause, go study computer sciences, specifically anything involving AI, neural networks or machine learning.

The red future is a machine future. The goal is the creation of humanist ethical intelligent machines without preference to human politiics, thus logically leading to socialist super intelligences.
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Hugh Drommerkack - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 05:24:34 EST bq9mUpwR No.178846 Reply
>>178838
>Making statements like "Chine, Venezuala, USSR, etc. aren't ACTUALLY socialist" does nothing to aid the cause of socialism, in fact it's ultimately helping imperial capital by undermining all attempts as impure or not real enough lol.
That's so fucking stupid. Saying not to separate the broken, corrupted versions of socialism HELPS right wing politicians around the world because it gives them things to point to and say "See! See! Socialism is bad and doesn't work!" Do you ever see them point to Denmark and say socialism doesn't work? No, you fucking don't. Corrupt totalitarian governments that are socialist only in name or only because the government has control of the economy absolutely should be separated away every time it comes up.
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Cedric Gonkinham - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 09:02:27 EST 8zz7iWpH No.178899 Reply
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>>178846
>corrupted versions of socialism HELPS right wing politicians around the world
>Do you ever see them point to Denmark

Only because people like you don't know what socialism is (Denmark isn't socialist, the oft praised "Nordic Socialism" is not socialism, just imperial capitalism with more social programs and stronger unions) and gobble up that US State Department propaganda about "totalitarian governments".

While every revolutionary movement will have reactionary elements, and it is important to be critical of them, it is also important to not confuse these with the outright lies paraded by corporate media, which has a vested interest in undermining all socialist movements. On top of the media campaign, the US openly admits to funneling money to opposition groups in socialist countries for the explicit purpose of undermining them.

Anyway, by siding with imperialist interests against socialist nations because of your aggressive ignorance, YOU are in effect saying "See! See! Socialism is bad and doesn't work!"

tl;dr your wrong
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David Crodgeheck - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 10:07:58 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178900 Reply
>>178899
Ok Tankie. Tell me how North Korea is the true workers paradise.
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Cedric Gonkinham - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 10:25:16 EST 8zz7iWpH No.178901 Reply
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>>178900
ok Liberal. Literally no socialist worth their salt would call the DPRK or really any other socialist state a "worker's paradise" because that's an anti materialist utopian concept best left to anarcho-babyists to jerk off over.

However, if you're actually interested in learning about the DPRK outside of an orientalist lens I'll post about it after work.
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David Crodgeheck - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 10:30:43 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178902 Reply
>>178901
Man, you sure got your buzzword game down. You work for the Republicans?
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Cedric Gonkinham - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 10:36:32 EST 8zz7iWpH No.178903 Reply
>>178902
lol you call me a tankie and you're gonna bitch about buzzwords? Get fucked nb
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Jarvis Murdwill - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 12:31:07 EST g+vb2gyp No.178906 Reply
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>>178899
Venezuela has a smaller portion of their GDP controlled by the public sector than Norway,
China produces more billionaires and more poverty than the US,
By what measure exactly are these countries examples of socialism, since the workers certainly own less of the means of production that unarguably capitalist countries and these countries certainly aren't run by and for the workers.
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David Crodgeheck - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 12:57:11 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178907 Reply
>>178903
Ok Tankie, tell me how the political classes owning everything is TRUE AND REAL socialism, like we see in China, or how about just the insane incompetence of Venezuela can't be criticized less we throw the momentum back to the capitalists.


Let me ask you, is your Socialism, National?
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Eliza Simmlebot - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 18:21:50 EST 333WptN2 No.178910 Reply
>>178838
>don't say that's not socialism
>>178899
>that's not socialism

You've been breathing your own fumes way too much.
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Albert Nicklespear - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 18:23:47 EST fxZPTs+O No.178911 Reply
>>178907
Marxist-Leninists (let's not be mean and call them "tankies" which is a reference to an event that happened before any of us were politically aware or for most of us even born) think that the control of the state by a party dictatorship implies worker control as the Communist Party represents the will and interests of the working class.

Now that's all bullshit, right, but I just wanted to explain that to you.
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Nathaniel Siffingdet - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 18:42:56 EST 4scaaRdR No.178912 Reply
>>178907

>the old "nazis called themselves socialists" argument

SMH
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David Crodgeheck - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 18:47:17 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178913 Reply
>>178912
That's not an argument. They DID. It was bullshit. Just like he's full off when he's all "You can't criticize these totalitarian states because they call themselves socialist."
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Albert Nicklespear - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 19:11:12 EST fxZPTs+O No.178914 Reply
>>178913
There's always been a right-wing of the socialist movement. Marx wrote about reactionary socialists in 1848 in the Manifesto. It's important to understand that the historically existing socialist movement is heterogeneous, fraught with disagreements, and disunited, and very often at arms against each other. Factions within the movement have to be considered somewhat but not entirely atomically, like one compares species of a genus.
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Doris Clovingfutch - Thu, 05 Sep 2019 21:29:36 EST lTDF3Ltm No.178917 Reply
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>>178913
reread my posts. You're arguing against points I never made, like how socialist states should be immune to criticism. I said that reactionary elements should be criticised, and since apparently I have to clarify, yes policy should be criticised too so long as that criticism is based on material analysis and not anti socialist propaganda and also so long as you're not using those criticisms to undermine their successes. Which is exactly what the whole "they're not really socialist" argument is doing. If you're so concerned with what right wingers think of socialism then why do you allow them to control the narrative? Why give them fuel for the inevitable counter argument that "real" socialism has never existed or can't exist? How is that helpful?

>>178910
lol I mean one key difference being Nordic "socialist" nation's are neither striving for nor recognise themselves as socialist. It's a label a bunch of dumbfucks put on them in order to scare people away from social welfare programs because ebil socialism. Also they still participate in imperial capitalism, extracting resources and labor through exploitation or brute force from the global South and producing commodities to sell back for a profit.

>>178911
that last part simply isn't true except for maybe reactionaries who just really love the Soviet aesthetic
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Doris Honnerwater - Sun, 08 Sep 2019 03:50:20 EST T6Ld4yVD No.178968 Reply
>>178961
Yea, they should be the (sheriffs) tarrifs of the weapons industry of the US.
Or something.
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Eugene Hudgenutch - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 05:59:47 EST UDt2el4P No.178994 Reply
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Is the HK protests over yet?
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Emma Lightshaw - Fri, 20 Sep 2019 17:56:39 EST 2frQs8IP No.179274 Reply
>>178994

Nah. Still hasn't cost the HK oligarchs enough to accept a PRC intervention as a cheaper alternative.
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Henry Hisslestug - Thu, 03 Oct 2019 18:21:55 EST E2Yofruj No.179638 Reply
Three Tankie / 50 cent army posts in a row, on an obscure imageboard which is anti-authoritarian in nature.
Congrats you fail at life.
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Alice Dollerbick - Sat, 05 Oct 2019 08:50:00 EST H3Jg1AjS No.179689 Reply
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How long can the HK protests last?
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Emma Claygold - Sat, 05 Oct 2019 11:56:16 EST 7FgT8zKk No.179698 Reply
>>179638
The second largest English language imageboard that has been running for almost fifteen years and has had coverage on mainstream television news in the past, and currently has a long time user doing color commentary for WWE on Monday Night RAW, using 420chan memes on live television.

Whose owner is being interviewed by multiple news outlets regarding the creation of Anonymous.

I'm just saying, this place is far from obscure and is about to be even less so from every point of view.
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Lydia Greenbury - Sat, 05 Oct 2019 22:47:55 EST 8zz7iWpH No.179733 Reply
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>>179689
until the US stops funding them

>>179698
right, the viewpoints here have always been fairly diverse for better or worse and not even all that biased towards "anti authoritarian" tendencies outside of liberal individualist views on drug use, etc.
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Basil Sindlesedging - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 08:19:38 EST GGYxghsV No.179868 Reply
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Who stands with HK?

>>179698
Barely get 1 post per hour and you think 420chan is big? Haha.
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Ebenezer Sudgefuck - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 12:38:25 EST Rc+TholC No.179889 Reply
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>>179868
350 to 400 posts per hour actually.

And yes, it is. The creator of 8 chon has himself stated this.
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Sophie Himblehet - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:44:12 EST SliGWucM No.179893 Reply
>>179889
/woo/ and/h/ don't really matter. One is pure shitposting and the other is just poorfags begging.
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Sophie Himblehet - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:46:03 EST SliGWucM No.179894 Reply
>>179889
>350 to 400 posts per hour

You dont actually expect me to believe that, right?
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Jarvis Dronningched - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 15:29:39 EST XA6VcPCV No.179899 Reply
>>179893
As opposed to other imageboards, the volumes of which are 0% shitposting and hentai begging, right?
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William Cillerfark - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 21:18:05 EST tdkHSa9j No.179911 Reply
The US should send military advisors to Hong Kong
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Phineas Somblefoot - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 00:03:30 EST fxZPTs+O No.179913 Reply
>>179909
Never knew this, thanks. Gonna use this on a personal project.
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David Punningway - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 02:59:28 EST GGYxghsV No.179914 Reply
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>>179889
Is 420chan truly the second biggest chan? Doesn't feel like it. Then again I don't go to /woo/
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Fucking Grandson - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:12:00 EST fxZPTs+O No.179975 Reply
>>179966
HK protestors are a vocal minority at this point and the lack of organization means that police will keep beating back heterogeneous crowds of people with heterogeneous demands that are systematically incapable of taking power for themselves or a revolutionary overthrow of the current state of things or even coherently explaining what their goals are.

The American media has amped up its propaganda war against China, besides those companies that are caught between their material interests of expanding into Chinese markets and towing the line of the US State Department's disinfo brigade. Viacom, which is trying to expand in China, is still allowing South Park to broadcast CIA/State Department propaganda influenced depictions of life in the People's Republic. Blizzard had to discipline some e-sports player so they could stay in the good graces of the Party. It's weird, but it has a materialist explanation, something that goes beyond "Murika GOOD, Chinaman BAD". Understand how profits guide and constrain our lives and you'll understand the world better.
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Cornelius Nasslefit - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:26:36 EST qWBsIEn2 No.179976 Reply
>>179975
So unhook yourself from the IV drip of popular culture, be free.
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Cedric Sundledadge - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 14:56:59 EST JoGl7uO+ No.179991 Reply
>>179986
Fuck the hell off with this bullshit. All fights fighting Totalitarianism is to be respected. Eat shit with this "My fight is better then yours." Are you unaware of how divide and conquer works?
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Nicholas Drillywell - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:25:20 EST XA6VcPCV No.179992 Reply
>>179991
Thanks for your input, Mr. Armchair Protestor Respect The Cops Man.
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Cedric Sundledadge - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 16:03:59 EST JoGl7uO+ No.179993 Reply
>>179992
Superb strawman bro, you sure don't have to make any points now!
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Angus Brookcocke - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 00:17:57 EST QgwvDyjp No.180010 Reply
I like how chinabot nerobumped a bunch of bullshit, and you scroll down past it to see what was at the top of the page before it started, and it was this
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Fuck Honeyford - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 07:03:29 EST 5016hYf0 No.180021 Reply
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>>176884
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/does-hong-kong-even-need-the-nba/
>Calls by the United States for greater “freedom,” “democracy,” and “human rights” in China should be met with similar circumspection. The political cause of stopping Communist China has long helped to mobilize the American conservative movement, Joyce Mao has demonstrated, even if the Communist Party today differs dramatically from its initial incarnation. The greatest champions of Hong Kong and Taiwan in DC have been Republican stalwarts such as Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, politicians who may promote democracy in Asia but rely upon voter suppression at home, who denounce human rights violations abroad but defend the separation of families and confinement in cages at the Texas border. If anything, American politicians share with their Chinese counterparts a predilection for denouncing foreign powers to distract from their own misdeeds.

>Many have thus looked to foreign states for support and defense; some have even been caught waving the flags of the United Kingdom and the United States. This solution also invites insidious political consequences. Two weeks ago, activist Joshua Wong traveled to Washington, DC, to entreat Congress to pass a law that would ostensibly promote “human rights” and “democracy” in Hong Kong. Closer scrutiny of the bill, however, reveals it is designed to protect US interests above all else. Among other consequences, it would strengthen the United States’ ability to monitor activists’ migration across borders, and it would require Hong Kong to join the US in levying economic sanctions against Iran and North Korea. It would also force Hong Kong to extradite future political refugees, such as Edward Snowden, back to the US—the very sort of neocolonial relationship that the protests sought to challenge in the first place. That this bill has been justified on the same abstract terminology of “human rights” and “democracy” that US journalists are now using to criticize the NBA controversy should give us pause about the strategy. Beware the star-spangled evocations of human rights and democracy.

>For those of us on the outside, it’s important that in our sympathy for the protests we resist the temptation to portray China as a country of 1.4 billion people blindly parroting the official line. This is a fiction being wielded by both the patriotic Tsai and some of the liberal critics of the NBA. In the words of the New York Times, “There is no freedom of speech, thought, assembly, religion, movement or any semblance of political liberty in China.” This latter sentiment stems from the classic playbook of anti-Communist Orientalism, which depicts the Chinese state as an unchanging, “autocratic,” “authoritarian,” “totalitarian,”and “Communist” despot and its people as a herdlike population in need of rescue by outside saviors. Such portrayals ignore the possibility of disagreement within China itself. Ironically, in painting a picture of national unity, they do the PRC officials’ work for them, as Zhao points out. When nationalistic journalists in the US suggest that NBA players and managers must stand up for the “Western” values of democracy and human rights against illiberal China, they only play into the hands of the PRC’s media strategy.
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Lydia Beffingsirk - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 14:28:10 EST fxZPTs+O No.180030 Reply
>>180028
That's the standard Noam Chomsky line, not a "tankie" one. Recognizing that the United States government influences the editorial lines of mass media outlets is basic media literacy, not Stalinism.
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Archie Smallwater - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 15:03:38 EST 4scaaRdR No.180031 Reply
>>180021

lmao yeah, the hong kong citizenry wanting to stay wealthy, educated, and uncensored is an american psyop
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Charles Pogglewene - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:37:05 EST 4scaaRdR No.180053 Reply
>>180050

have you been to hong kong, and to mainland china? i have, and if i were a hong konger i'd be losing my shit too. PRC bad.
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Archie Porrydale - Sun, 20 Oct 2019 01:49:36 EST Oi89F67V No.180166 Reply
Haha, tanks are waiting across the border. Just waiting.

remember the heaven peace gate square massacre?
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Matilda Funningford - Tue, 22 Oct 2019 05:15:20 EST XkAHGm8r No.180214 Reply
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China is going to freeze Hong Kong out?
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Emma Wussleham - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 04:11:07 EST Y5ZcIpbK No.180409 Reply
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Who do you support?
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Martin Goodcocke - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:40:46 EST zAkfzatC No.180477 Reply
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Hong Kong police are now raiding homes and business to make arrests. On top of Chile instating old police state laws and bringing in the military. Are these signs to come for other protest movements?
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Reuben Clumblewater - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:32:55 EST zRfFfFgj No.180488 Reply
>>180477
Want to know how I know you've never been in a revolution? This happens every time.
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William Gumblekidging - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 17:19:41 EST YszydNTd No.180490 Reply
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>>180488
Whenever movements gain enough steam, the state reveal their true colors, and enact policy or laws to violently repress the movement. I forgot to mention what's going on in Iraq too, with police killing non-violent protesters. And in Spain Catalonia, with cops running over protesters. Unfortunately in Chile alot of people are losing their eyes.
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William Gumblekidging - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 17:21:22 EST YszydNTd No.180492 Reply
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>>180490
Whoops, that picture was just posted. My bad.
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Ebenezer Sobblestone - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:28:01 EST i4Zbp03Y No.180501 Reply
>>180490
>non violent protesters
Where the hell can you even find those anymore? The moment firebombs are involved, it's no longer a protest.
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Reuben Clumblewater - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 19:43:56 EST zRfFfFgj No.180503 Reply
>>180501
The moment we get tear gassed it's no longer a civil response.
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Betsy Pamblepitch - Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:06:23 EST xzD/hAAz No.180542 Reply
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>>180501
Y'know, how movements of people are multi-faceted, with large contingent that practice non-violent means and another contingent which engages violently with the police and sometimes property destruction. In Iraq though law enforcement just started firing shots at the crowd. One of the examples of police shooting a protester in Hong Kong was unprovoked. Its not like the first incident there was justified use of force anyways.

>>180503
Law enforcement use tear gas and other less lethal all the time. Of course when people responded in kind its condemned. Its a question of legitimate use of force, the state getting a default pass from too many.
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David Drecklelock - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 21:22:42 EST jwfr9+5a No.180611 Reply
>>180599
Blizzard has been shit since they nerfed the pit fiend in War3. The final straw for me, anyhow.... probably should have realized they were shit when one of the final patches in D2 reverted the balance of the paladin back to v1 where hammerdins ruled... well, it was all downhill from d2, and only the worst of poopsockers could disagree.
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Fucking Simmerspear - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 19:52:23 EST wp8Trwsz No.180641 Reply
>>180611
People should've realized they're shit when they got bought out by Activision, or that time they tried to force RealID on everyone.
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Nicholas Peshlodging - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 21:58:11 EST bKTS+uSh No.180642 Reply
>>180641
Yeah, but once upon a time, Activision was a good company...
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Phoebe Dombledudging - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 15:11:17 EST vJzt15Nj No.180791 Reply
>>180642
You're thinking of EA.

There's real adults who were born after that era ended. I didn't imagine James Pond though.
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Alice Fadgedog - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 20:25:56 EST wFK2Hm63 No.180800 Reply
>>180776
Someone has never played Leather Goddesses of Phobos 2: Gas Pump Girls Meet the Pulsating Inconvenience from Planet X!
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Rebecca Shittingridge - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 23:37:54 EST fxZPTs+O No.180958 Reply
>>180951
What's the protestors's? There's no unified leadership or coherent strategy being followed, the only thing Hong Kong police can do that would satisfy the rioters is to capitulate, but then what? The rioters don't intend to replace any of the institutions that currently make up the HK government. Mere independence would not secure them from foreign pressure (if it meant any freedom at all from mainland meddling then America would gladly fill the vacuum). No citizens assemblies are being formed to put in practice some kind of democratic institution. There's no one to negotiate with. The HK police have been remarkably restrained in the face of protestors using violence against them, in that there have at least been zero deaths from the police so far over the course of several months of protesting (in America they would have been bombed or shot by now, in Bolivia the post-coup government has killed several pro-Morales protestors, ditto in "democratic" Chile).
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Charlotte Chishheg - Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:11:38 EST kHm0dyyC No.180961 Reply
Hong Kong Needs United States Millitary Advisors

If they want freedom, they should have help
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John Sumblepeck - Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:07:52 EST FmXhFQ5t No.180963 Reply
>>180961

Ain't gonna happen. China has nukes.

But considering the eyes of the West is upon HK right now, I doubt they're gonna shoot protesters in the streets. Even with provocation. Remember, the West is their most important market, as they are ours. Boycott chinese wares guys.
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Ernest Finningtag - Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:25:00 EST E2Yofruj No.180964 Reply
Mass Demonstrations will never "amount to anything" until they do in hindsight and the change they brought up is remembered as "inevitable" by history.

Look at the Iron Curtain (Berlin Wall) for instance. They kept it up for years until the bureaucracy while thinking to come up with a plan to let the situation calm down eventually "accidentally" capitulated. Which then lead to the whole population (yes pretty much everybody in east Berlin) walking across the "border".

Granted the situations are different but fundamentally boil down to how a mass movement where pretty much everybody is onboard can't be "controlled".

Also: Calling the protesters "rioters" is a CPC talking point and everybody who uses that terminology is either a china-bot or a tankie.
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撒旦的信徒 - Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:48:32 EST gauInVds No.180965 Reply
>>178294
Hello 我是中国人,同时也是一位撒旦教徒,中国大陆的墙只针对于YouTube之类的传播网站,因为美国在YouTube有很多对中国有不利的视频,这会影响人民。这对于我们撒旦教徒来说,也是一个麻烦的事情,我们的教义和共产主义不谋而合,我们都不相信任何的神,所以我会支持我的祖国-中国!至于防火墙其实只是针对于未成年人,如果你是成年人,你可以购买合法的VPN走遍整个互联网。而我们撒旦教徒也同样会通过网络招来不少信徒,或者去Dark Net招兵买马。我们最讨厌的是伊斯兰教,中国政府打压穆斯林是正确的,因为那些极端分子威胁到了我们撒旦教徒的正常生活,总有一天,我们会让西北变成自由的撒旦,让那些人天天吃猪肉!
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John Gipperhet - Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:49:18 EST 4scaaRdR No.180966 Reply
>>180964

better be careful with that posting format nigga i almost reported u as a bot... still suspicious
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Ernest Finningtag - Mon, 18 Nov 2019 18:00:35 EST E2Yofruj No.180968 Reply
>>180966
You're right, I just noticed that afterwards myself lol.
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Phyllis Biddlehood - Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:59:22 EST 4scaaRdR No.180974 Reply
OH SHIT CHINA SENT IN A BARRACKS OF ARMY TROOPS

in t shirts and gym shorts to sweep and pick up bricks


nevertheless it is a subtle but clear message

"dont forget we got a barracks of troops nigga" *sweep sweep*

very chinese in style
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Samuel Dredgefork - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:16:59 EST fxZPTs+O No.180975 Reply
>>180964
There's nothing inherently wrong with riots. Don't be a liberal. The HK protestors are also rioters. They're engaging in violence against the police, because that's what the state understands.

The DDR protestors didn't get what they wanted and the Western narrative that they were just "pro-democracy" (as if democracy means what was practiced in West Germany) obscures the actual intentions of the organizers and the people on the ground.
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Isabella Bundlehag - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 06:24:31 EST Sso70us1 No.180976 Reply
>>180975
Not to mention, every successful social change movement was predicated by a period of extreme violence.
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Fucking Chidgefield - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 12:49:32 EST E2Yofruj No.180977 Reply
>>180975
There's nothing inherently wrong with being a liberal.

>The DDR protestors didn't get what they wanted...
You're full of shit. I've been to Leipzig and it felt like any other central european city.
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Samuel Dredgefork - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 13:14:34 EST fxZPTs+O No.180978 Reply
>>180977
>There's nothing inherently wrong with being a liberal.

After 1848, yes, there is.

>I've been to Leipzig and it felt like any other central european city

If you think that's what the DDR protestors wanted then the only thing you know about the protests is what you were told by the propaganda channels of the US State Department. The DDR protestors were betrayed and their specific demands ignored in favor of a program of privatization and the dismantling of the East German welfare state which - as elsewhere such "shock therapy" was carried out - caused an increase in premature mortality and set the stage for far right resentment of the cosmopolitan elites that carried out that program, now culminating in East Germans' support for the far right anti-globalist AfD party.
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Fucking Chidgefield - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:25:21 EST E2Yofruj No.180980 Reply
>>180978
Again you're full of shit.
AfD is the ideological successor to the now outlawed (neo-nazi) NDP and while both have had their supporters in former east Germany there actually is a political party that represents the anti cooperate populism in Germany.
It's called Die Linke.
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Augustus Deblingchat - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:16:04 EST Oi89F67V No.180988 Reply
how did you retarded cunts get talking about nazis in HK.

Last I checked it was mainland china trying to erode rule of law and the citizens fighting back against it.
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Cedric Blythefield - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:06:19 EST g+vb2gyp No.180989 Reply
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>>180988
>Last I checked it was mainland china trying to erode rule of law and the citizens fighting back against it.
The HK people aren't rioting to promote the spirit of law.
The bill that triggered this was amended to limit the scope to almost only a case of a murderer who fled to HK to avoid mainland authorities, then withdrawn entirely.

This isn't a revolution of the people, if it was you'd see the bankers and landlords who keep them poor fleeing the city.
The HKers are pawns of western capitalists. This is a replay of the color revolutions.
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Oliver Blorryforth - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 05:10:27 EST EfnSF8dn No.180991 Reply
>>180980
The NPD wasn't outlawed but it's slowly dying because the AfD is stealing their voters and sometimes even former politicians.
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Priscilla Noffingford - Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:31:45 EST fxZPTs+O No.181006 Reply
>>180980
Wasn't implying that the AfD was the ideological successor to the East German ruling party, obviously that's Die Linke. And while Die Linke has seen some growth, AfD's growth in East Germany is clearly linked to resentment toward the capitalist west and toward capitalist modernity. I think it's foolish not to recognize that the surge in support of the far right today is tied to the excesses of neoliberalism, the decline in the quality of life, and the political banner of "there is no alternative" vacating left-wing opposition (with left-wing parties turning to the center right digging their own graves, cough cough SPD).

>>180989
The HK protestors have legitimate grievances but are falling victim to the ideological bromides prevalent in the west that have ultimately caused the capitulation of social movements to professional activism and controlled opposition.

If the HK protestors wanted to get shit done, they'd organize strikes, walkouts, rent strikes, boycotts, and build dual power through parallel power-building institutions. They'd be cultivating international ties with people with the same ideas and circumventing political borders enforced by illegitimate political entities. Unfortunately, that's not what's going down. An international libertarian socialist movement has a lot to learn from the failures and eventual defeat of the HK protests.
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John Denderstock - Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:59:31 EST E2Yofruj No.181007 Reply
>>181006
>I think it's foolish not to recognize that the surge in support of the far right today is tied to the excesses of neoliberalism
Stop parroting the typical right wing propaganda about how that ideology would address these issues. Actual solutions like UBI or wealth taxes come from the left.

>libertarian socialist
I think you might have jizzed in your pants.


Any way the HK protests have little to do with economical and social issues that are relevant in the west right now.
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Oliver Donderwell - Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:23:46 EST Oi89F67V No.181008 Reply
>>180951

和谐社会
Harmonious society.

Harmonize in modern chinese means to repress, abduct, imprison without trial, shut down, blockade or otherwise restrict.

You could say that western media accepting chinese investment is being harmonized.

The idea is to remove ideas and concepts that are critical of, or do not support the party and its goals.

That's how mafia works
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Wesley Clonningworth - Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:27:04 EST GW1axdWk No.181009 Reply
>>181007
>Stop parroting the typical right wing propaganda about how that ideology would address these issues.
He didn't. What you quoted was about the cause of far-right ideology, it says nothing about the far-right being a solution to those causes.

Is your brain functioning properly?

>Any way the HK protests have little to do with economical and social issues that are relevant in the west right now.
That's ridiculous. The economic and social issues caused by global neoliberalism affect the entire world, and the interplay between China and the West has been at the center of that system for decades. Especially in Hong Kong which has long functioned as the West's economic and social backdoor into China.
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Ian Pashwut - Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:59:47 EST 4Elu+tp8 No.181015 Reply
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>>180977
>There's nothing inherently wrong with being a liberal.
Says the guy who wants to let Philip Morris monopolize legal weed so their R&D teams can patent Cool Ranch Joints with fancy plastic packaging.

Liberalism turns people's brains into mush, training them to see life as a commoditized, technocratic sales pitch to the highest colonial bidder. Liberals have built an ideologynout of negotiating away every possible good step forward we could make in the world because they are terrified of upsetting their surrogate daddy in the form of the capital class. There's a reason why liberals always, always prefer the far-right to even moderate leftist reforms, and that is because to be a liberal is to be a lapdog for capitalism and a waiting mook for the right wing.

Liberals backstabbed the left time and again, liberals gave us Reagan Bush and Trump, and liberals will get us all fucking killed because they are ideologically incapable of standing up to the right.
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Priscilla Noffingford - Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:59:12 EST fxZPTs+O No.181023 Reply
>>181007
>Actual solutions like UBI or wealth taxes come from the left

UBI is quintessential neoliberalism, it's a minimization of the welfare state advocated by the likes of Milton Friedman and Friedrich von Hayek. Wealth taxes are just old fashioned Keynesian nonsense. I'm not going to try and More Left Than Thou you by saying that the really left-wing solution is socialist planning but let's get real. Your idea of the left is Elizabeth Warren, and mine is Peter Kropotkin.

>I think you might have jizzed in your pants.

Can you explain what you mean without being dismissive? Libertarian socialism is an old ass political movement with real institutions of its own, meager as they currently are. Strengthening the movement - something desirable to me as a libertarian socialist - means learning from the victories and defeats of other movements operating in parallel to our own.

>Any way the HK protests have little to do with economical and social issues that are relevant in the west right now.

Increasing costs of living amidst stagnant take home pay, and deteriorating standards of living amidst stagnant economic growth, are irrelevant in the west now? News to me.
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Phoebe Drettingtun - Thu, 21 Nov 2019 23:36:02 EST E2Yofruj No.181039 Reply
re: my views
I do recognize the root cause of the current worldwide economic and social problems to be the lack of direct access to resources and automation for the general population. And I do think that plain and boring government regulations can be effective to address these problems.
If it were up to me I'd introduce a proposal that would mandate that every technological product in use by a public institution be it software, hardware or wetware must be under a copyleft license.
For the second part of the equation, interestingly Hong Kong is an example that takes an interesting approach. Land is owned by the public and it is leased to private entities. Now in the case of HK that's very capital centric, but it doesn't have to be.

>>181023
>Increasing costs of living amidst stagnant take home pay, and deteriorating standards of living amidst stagnant economic growth, are irrelevant in the west now? News to me.
Similar symptoms, yes but not necessarily the same intermediate causes. I do admit I am not familiar enough with the economic situation in HK.
I'm sure the housing shortage and work prospects for the current generation are a catalyst. But my point was more about the reason for the protest in general.
And that's certainly about human rights, something we can for granted in comparison to the Hong Kongers.

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