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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

1 Million+ Protesters in Hong Kong

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- Wed, 19 Jun 2019 22:32:54 EST 4scaaRdR No.176884
File: 1560997974229.jpg -(98810B / 96.49KB, 1024x768) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. 1 Million+ Protesters in Hong Kong
Hong Kong citizens are protesting a potential bill which has since been suspended which will allow extradition to other countries including mainland China. People don't want to get disappeared by Xi so they are taking to the streets. Chill on this source, it's BBC's youtube channel, the original video was some gay iPlayer shit only available in the UK. But this vid explains it well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgm6zut1RdM

This one is good too

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-china-48605343/hong-kong-protests-police-use-tear-gas-on-protesters
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Jenny Pockworth - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 18:21:58 EST DXSqXwCG No.176942 Reply
To be disappeared is common in governments. This may sound odd but it really isn't;
In America one has a right to a phone call. Or to an Attorney. (police get bombarded with rights demands.) Some places try to bypass Simple rights.

I believe countries do not like the idea of extradition, from their states; Because it may pose implications to their practices.

On the other side, the 'war on terror' made it probable to extradite detainees from basically anywhere.
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Augustus Chattingnack - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 03:02:02 EST Zu4Iqncz No.176948 Reply
>>176942
> 'war on terror' made it probable to extradite detainees from basically anywhere.

So, extraditing a person, from one state to another, which has less rights is the issue. So having control is still possible. Yet having rights is still possible, in controlling a detainee from a different state.
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Augustus Chattingnack - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 03:07:01 EST Zu4Iqncz No.176949 Reply
>>176948
This means controlling a person, from whatever state.

An example of states, is UN treaties. How one has rights, globally.
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Eugene Cinnerhall - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 07:58:36 EST 25D5l1Y/ No.177074 Reply
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HK protest has China saying "no tanks"
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Esther Climbleman - Fri, 05 Jul 2019 23:45:27 EST rZVlyepI No.177218 Reply
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>>176884
will HK get any political change due to the summer protests? Has Carrie Lam resigned?
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Isabella Pattingforth - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 06:29:37 EST FB4w8cl4 No.177283 Reply
>>177074
What are those retarded looking farm equipment pieces on the front for? They don't look powered so how does it help with any thing?
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Charles Bablingpat - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:01:56 EST QgwvDyjp No.177285 Reply
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>>177283
Mine rollers, they'd also tend to have chains strung in between them dragging the ground in the middle, they churn up the ground and pre-detonate mines before they get underneath the vehicle
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Isabella Pattingforth - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:17:20 EST FB4w8cl4 No.177286 Reply
>>177285
Seems like you wouldn't even want them exploding that close. Probably fine for a military grade device that is propose built but make it big enough and the crew will be shook.
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Charles Bablingpat - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:21:48 EST QgwvDyjp No.177287 Reply
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>>177286
Yeah it's more just an extra layer of protection, less chance of a mine taking out your treads and the crew being stuck inside waiting for help

When they actually need to go in and clear a strip they know is filled with them they use remote controlled robots
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Charlotte Claydock - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 10:34:41 EST lWlEy1EO No.177291 Reply
>>177286
(modern) AT mines use shaped charges to penetrate the hull, they're not very effective when you're not on top of it.

Anti personell mines don't do much against tanks.
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Priscilla Sendlehadging - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 18:56:35 EST ar9mMa8V No.177315 Reply
The US military rejected my tap dancing spidermech landmine removal project for this?
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Fucking Burringson - Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:52:28 EST NiBvPCs2 No.177359 Reply
>>177286
the difference between a mine exploding on the arm instead of under the tank means that the tank survives.
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Hugh Pimblefoot - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 14:03:38 EST M/Ws53KS No.177967 Reply
>>177960

China wants total control over HK and has been trying to subtly take full control for a long time.
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Hugh Creggleworth - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:24:05 EST E2Yofruj No.178153 Reply
This isn't even political at this point more of a game of chicken.
The demands of the protest are simple concessions at this point. They demand the admission of wrongdoing from the HK police and the release of people arrested without charges.

Of course there is more going on, in practice the ridiculous housing shortage over there has lead to a situation where basically everybody under 30 has to live with their parents. Much real estate has been gobbled up by rich mainlanders.

In the long run the protesters have everything to gain and nothing to loose. The longer the protests continue the more devaluation will occur in the HK stock & real estate markets.
This makes me wonder why Beijing simply does not simply make these ramification-free concessions. Instead they are gearing up for an outright civil war....
They released a propaganda video in Shenzen where mainland millitary / law enforcement are "calming" HK, which makes me wonder how long they can keep public perception of the Protests in check.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2019/aug/13/china-releases-video-troop-carriers-hong-kong-border-video

This reeks of desperation because if Shenzen residents realize they might lose access to western goods over the HK route they might support HK.
I think Beijing are risking a loss of control over the whole region over the next 20 decades if they keep it up...
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Hugh Creggleworth - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:32:32 EST E2Yofruj No.178154 Reply
2 decades (20years+) obvs,
Or at the latest till 2047 when the "One Country Two Systems" deal expires.
HK has til then to try to archive some sort of autonomy. And Beijing would just have to play the long game, but since they are impatient they are stirring the pot...
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Eliza Pittridge - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:56:19 EST QgwvDyjp No.178157 Reply
>>178153
China is doing this intentionally, Hong Kong's freedom was useful at first as a bridge to the global economy but now its just a dangerous example for the rest of their citizens. If Hong Kongers can demand admissions of wrongdoing from the police and the resignation of their Beijing appointed leaders than what lesson are the Tibetans and Uighurs going to take away from it.
The more they fuck up the territory for its residents the less its an example of the prosperity of democracy for the people across the bay.

>This reeks of desperation because if Shenzen residents realize they might lose access to western goods over the HK route they might support HK.
This isn't the 90s anymore, Hong Kong isn't a bridge for any goods entering China. Shenzhen residents have access to western goods imported through Shenzhen and Guangzhou and Shanghai, and domestically produced goods that rival them. For the last 30 years they've been working on developing a level of home grown prosperity precisely so that people aren't tempted by freer, richer, western connected territories like Hong Kong or Taiwan, same reason the population largely just puts up with the internet censorship, they have a decent enough domestic internet that has everything they need so why bother going outside your lane.

So now the average mainlander looks at the news and sees the only real difference in his life if he lived in Hong Kong would be airport shut downs, traffic disruptions and looting, and he shrugs, orders some shiny new toy off Aliexpress and goes about his day.
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Henry Dabblebury - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:36:43 EST fdzwXMZm No.178160 Reply
>>178157
Until the next global recession hits and China's growth stagnates to the level of a typical Western country and the economic opportunities that allow Zhang Cho to buy shiny baubles off Aliexpress aren't popping like they used to. Enjoy all the males you cultivated from the one child policy, they're going to enjoy looting Beijing.
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Shit Blackspear - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:56:08 EST 4scaaRdR No.178163 Reply
>>178157

Taiwan isn't even slightly a chinese territory bro it's a 100% independent sovereign nation. Sure they rely on US military support but nevertheless. I've been to Taiwan and China and they couldn't be more different.
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Hugh Creggleworth - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:44:22 EST E2Yofruj No.178168 Reply
>>178157
>This isn't the 90s anymore, Hong Kong isn't a bridge for any goods entering China. Shenzhen residents have access to western goods imported through Shenzhen and Guangzhou and Shanghai, and domestically produced goods that rival them.

It's not about that.
At least not when it comes to Baby Formula and Ferrero Rocher. I've seen a video from 2017 that it's usual for Shenzheners to do a weekend trip to HK just to go shopping for these and similar things.
Not to mention Iphones oh and cars.
Certain things have cult status and are considered a symbol of wealth in a sense also just because they aren't available on the mainland.

But I get the point, the regime is actively trying to curb these obsessions and steer them towards brands like xiaomi. This only works to a point though. Think Ferrari & Lamborghini vs literally any other Sports car besides Tesla.

Oh and aliexpress is called taobao in China, and it has a even larger product catalog it's just not that "customer friendly".
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Hugh Creggleworth - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:51:27 EST E2Yofruj No.178169 Reply
>>178163
Yeah Taiwan is considered sovereign by every other nation on the planet except China.
If Hong Kong could archive this status that would be awesome, sadly Taiwan is the result of a lot of bloodshed...
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Eliza Blythegold - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:01:03 EST E2Yofruj No.178173 Reply
>>178171
Thanks, I knew of the soft power moves China does against Taiwan, but I haven't realized it's that effective.
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Molly Goodson - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:04:21 EST tkLLGv8i No.178177 Reply
>>178171
This is in an official context though, and no one wants to piss off China.
All you gotta do is open up a "diplomatic mission" instead of an embassy (literally doing the exact same thing) and maybe some fuckery involving olympic teams and flags.

Everyone in CHINA believes that Taiwan is China, but outside of there it's basically just the emperors new clothes because it's easier for everyone to just play ball rather than get bogged down in a tiny detail and fuck over your relationship with the worlds second biggest economy.
>>178168
>Certain things have cult status and are considered a symbol of wealth in a sense also just because they aren't available on the mainland.
Serpenza is a good content creator but sometimes his videos are a bit bullshitty. That stuff does go on but don't take everything he says at face value. Cars and iphones are good because of sales tax in HK, as well as better quality assurance and things like that.
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Ian Fablingstock - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:33:48 EST 4scaaRdR No.178178 Reply
>>178163
>>178169
>>178171
>>178173
>>178177

I'm not talking about who agrees to publicly recognize it or not. The US won't come out and say they view Taiwan as an independent nation, but they still sell them shitloads of military hardware to counter China. I am saying for all practical purposes, every single aspect of Taiwanese governance and policy is 100% independent. Just because most other nations will play China's pretend game of being supreme lord of all asia doesn't mean it applies to reality. Hong Kong, Macau, those are gray areas that are technically Chinese, but Taiwan is not a gray area. It is in no way under any form of control or pressure from PRC.
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Nell Sembletork - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:49:05 EST QgwvDyjp No.178183 Reply
>>178178
Yeah no shit dude congrats on taking that bold stand to state the obvious

When I mentioned >freer, richer, western connected territories tempting Chinese citizens with a higher quality of life I didn't think I'd have to clarify that those are mostly places outside of China
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Eliza Blythegold - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 09:58:17 EST E2Yofruj No.178190 Reply
I don't get all the nit-picking. Sure they Hong Kong and Taiwan are in different situations but I think it's valid to compare the two when it comes to different levels democracy in a "Chinese" "Country".

Any way it's starting to hurt the bottom line:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/14/investing/hong-kong-real-estate-protests/index.html
>The Hang Seng Properties Index, which tracks a bigger pool of real estate developers in Hong Kong, has plunged 19% since its recent peak in April.
>The broader Hang Seng index has fallen more than 16% during the same period. Both are at risk of falling into a bear market, which is defined as a drop of 20%.
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Beatrice Blackhood - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:22:36 EST 4scaaRdR No.178210 Reply
>>178183

why you being a massive faggot for no reason? i clearly wasn't trying to be bold or take a stand. i was just making a calm analysis of taiwan lol. i also never said anything about your point of tempting chinese citizens.
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Molly Forryhick - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:02:09 EST mK5Q73ZG No.178211 Reply
Good for them, they shouldn't give up. Fuck mainland China to high hell, garbage subhuman country.
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Doris Dindercocke - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:22:58 EST WtJwdfd8 No.178215 Reply
propoganda is strong in PRC. People believe Hong Kong is China beause they are told to believe it to be true starting from a young age
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Edward Pinnergold - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:17:09 EST fxZPTs+O No.178217 Reply
Sinophobia in overdrive in this thread.

>my face when ameriKKKan and yuropoor running dogs of imperialism call the only country to lift hundreds of millions of people out of poverty in the last thirty years "subhuman" or "totalitarian"

>my face when ameriKKKans who are under 24/7 surveillance by their government and face economic discrimination based on credit scores call the PRC "totalitarian"

>my face when ameriKKKans whose government has killed over one million Muslims in the course of its phony "war on terror" get uppity about "human rights" in Xinjiang as the local (not even national) Communist Party branch re-educates young Muslims to prevent them from joining ISIS (Uighers are the majority of ISIS recruits)

>my face when I have no face

I don't support the police crackdown btw, but the PRC are probably going to follow the American model: let the protestors tire themselves out and let local authorities infiltrate and disrupt the events because they lack any kind of clear leadership or organizational capabilities at all and thus depend entirely on keeping up momentum against an unstoppable machine of state violence. but also fuck ameriKKKA
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Betsy Genderdud - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 02:02:04 EST MvRoQ1jI No.178220 Reply
>>178217
>anyone who doesn't like the ShitShitPee of China is a A-A-Amerrikkkunt!!

Why don't put that 50 cents to good use and buy some cyanide lace fentweed, you need to chill out and smoke more
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Polly Hangernut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 05:26:40 EST 2frQs8IP No.178223 Reply
>>178217

That's some top grade whataboutism, bro. We're all up for some good old America-bashing here, but that doesn't mean China deserves any less of it.

When you harvest organs from political prisoners you kind of give up the moral high ground.
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Beatrice Blackhood - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 06:41:20 EST 4scaaRdR No.178226 Reply
much anger i sense in this thread
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Albert Turveyman - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:44:52 EST E2Yofruj No.178228 Reply
We probably triggered some algorithm hooked up to google alerts ITT which in turn lead to a few paid shill posts.
Do you guys get payed by the hour and get a bonus if regular posting stops?

Yes I release the irony of a potential no true Scotchman fallacy in my post.
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Alice Chiddlemut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:02:25 EST ar9mMa8V No.178229 Reply
Remember the Russia threads that kept getting interrupted by the same tactics? "that's russophobic" when we're commenting on Russia's current administration and policies followed by brief examples of American transgressions to change the subject, despite our having multiple threads dedicated to such things. I always feel like I'm being paranoid when noticing the pattern but most of the time I'm right. About a month back someone on /b/ ridiculed the protest over extradition and defended China's heavy handed approach while implying that anyone disagreeing being a western colonialist shill. Shit's dumb. I hate the internet.
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Edward Pinnergold - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:12:20 EST fxZPTs+O No.178230 Reply
>>178219
I'm an American focused on criticizing my own government because the real enemy is at home.

>>178220
That's not an argument.

>>178223
You don't know what "whataboutism" means. Nowhere am I denying that the Hong Kong government has been heavy-handed.

>When you harvest organs from political prisoners you kind of give up the moral high ground.

America harvests organs from prisoners, there is no evidence of political dissidents being targeted for organ harvesting either that doesn't come straight from the propaganda of the State Department or CIA. Don't believe everything you read in the press. When ameriKKKa stops massacring people abroad while sponsoring "human rights" movements in enemy countries I'll shut up about the crimes of our government.
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Polly Hangernut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:23:33 EST 2frQs8IP No.178231 Reply
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>>178230

>You don't know what "whataboutism" means.

>Deflects in order to talk shit about America in a thread exclusively about China-HK

Bro.
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Alice Chiddlemut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:41:39 EST ar9mMa8V No.178232 Reply
>>178230
Except that China admitted to harvesting organs but claimed to have stopped the practice by 2015. As for your claims of American harvesting of organs I find no proof. Considering the US uses chemical euthanasia on it's death row inmates, I find that doubtful.
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Charles Docklefoot - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:08:48 EST 9DSxKIX/ No.178233 Reply
>>178232
Yeah, what the poster you're replying is saying is completely bullshit. Even the prison system in America have a LOT of transparency, and it's fucking absurd that he thinks he can say "Uh America harvests organs from prisoners" while claiming to be an American when he hasn't even the basic understanding of how this country even works. This is definitely the chinabot, who stopped making threads with the same thread title and subject, and now replies to user's posts.
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Henry Dackletag - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:31:15 EST RgSdokCF No.178234 Reply
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>>178223
>When you harvest organs from political prisoners you kind of give up the moral high ground.

The United States runs medical experiments on migrant children, uses prisoners as slave labor and has the highest prison population in the world not only per capita but even in absolute numbers (which is astounding when you consider how much the fuckhuge populations of China and and India should be skewing that last statistic).

And if you think prisons and police department haven't reached organ-harvesting levels of cruelty in America, particularly in black and immigrant communities, then you must be so white your name is Breighdyn.

China is a hellworld too, but even they could make the case that they still have a moral high ground over American flaghumpers.
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Hannah Serringridge - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:35:26 EST tlilhxRg No.178235 Reply
In Chinabot's defense, harvesting the organs from political prisoners STILL isn't as evil as letting fucking killer cops get away with murdering your own citizens in cold blood on a systematic basis.
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Molly Forryhick - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:13:44 EST mK5Q73ZG No.178237 Reply
At least we agree that both America and China are garbage countries, it's a start
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Edward Pinnergold - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 18:35:57 EST fxZPTs+O No.178239 Reply
>>178231
I'm responding to claims like "the Chinese are subhuman" (control + f "subhuman") by pointing out that what makes them apparently "subhuman" is also practiced in the US, the bastion of "freedom" and "democracy" where activists get knocks on their doors from the FBI, where civil rights leaders are assassinated or otherwise intimidated, and so on.

You don't know what whataboutism is if you think that's what I'm doing, but then again you can't even follow the conversation, so you're probably just repeating some buzzword you heard online.

>>178233
You're a fucking retard if you think I'm not an American. I'll admit though that apparently the US no longer practices this, but did in fact do so in living memory: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)71035-7/fulltext

The idea has also been promoted again rather recently in Utah.

But I personally don't see what's wrong with harvesting organs from executed inmates, except that the death penalty is already immoral, and that there's an introduction of perverse incentives (execute more inmates to get more organs). From a utilitarian perspective, if you're going to kill someone, you might as well use their organs. I don't know where you get the idea that China admitted to targeting dissidents for organ harvesting.

>>178233
>American prison system
>transparent

lmfao
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Polly Hangernut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:04:33 EST 2frQs8IP No.178240 Reply
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>>178239

You're the posterchild of whataboutism. Like dictionary definition of that behavior. Sorry China, you gotta try better than this.

For example, 1 troll post calling the nation of China subhuman (>>178211), that 1/6 of all mentions in this thread. Rest are from you bro.

Just shut the fuck up and stop shitting up our board.
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Cornelius Nodgewell - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:22:48 EST g+vb2gyp No.178241 Reply
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>>178240
That's not chinabot, nothing he is saying is false , and the information is useful to contextualize the motivations behind the coverage of these protests as compared to american protests.
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Polly Hangernut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:35:05 EST 2frQs8IP No.178242 Reply
>>178241

Yes it is Chinabot? As are you.

Just stop making this a thing about America. This thread is about Hong Kong. We see right through your bullshit.
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Edward Pinnergold - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:36:45 EST fxZPTs+O No.178243 Reply
>>178242
>Everyone who disagrees with me is Chinabot: an emotional child's guide to internet discourse
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Polly Hangernut - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:45:06 EST 2frQs8IP No.178245 Reply
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>>178243

You're not going to respond to my response to you?
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Albert Begglefeck - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:04:22 EST fxZPTs+O No.178248 Reply
>>178245
Could Chinabot do this?

All I'm saying is don't trust the American press to report accurately or responsibly about official enemies of the US government. This especially goes for the Hong Kong protests.
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anonfeg - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:21:14 EST rnTMVFEL No.178249 Reply
>>178248
It specially sucks because .. as some youtube was pointing out . The fact that twitter trends NigFredo Cuomo instead of HongKong situation, looks bad. Specially them sporting the US flag as a symbol of liberty. It would just suck if the Chinese people really think americans dont care for their horrible situation.
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Fucking Crabberdale - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:43:58 EST Dwn3U4hp No.178250 Reply
>>178229
If someone accused everyone who disagreed with him of being JIDF, the way you guys call everyone a Kremlin troll or Chinabot, we would tell him to go back to /pol/.

If someone roped Jewish influence into nearly every bad thing happening in the world, and kept bumping the same few threads with every flimsy negative Jewish news story and boomer facebook antijew meme they could get their hands on, as a few on this board did with Russians for over a year after the electon, we would call them out for their obvious unhealthy fixation.

If someone fantasized about dead Iranians, or advocated starting WWIII to show them what's what, we would think they were a psycho.

If someone called Africans subhuman, savage, lacking in empathy or genetically predisposed towards treachery, they would rightfully get banned or at least warned.

And when other right wingers get called out for riding with homies who do the above, their beliefs and rhetoric rightfully get scrutinized in that context.

It is absolutely appropriate to accuse some on this board and establishment politicians and corporate media, weird of having a problem with russo- and sinopohobia.
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Fanny Dellerwotch - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 21:11:44 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178254 Reply
>>178250
Government =/= the people.

Never mind "Chinese" and "Russian" are so fucking inaccurate to describe the population of those two counties.
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Molly Mapperlud - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 20:27:49 EST 2frQs8IP No.178268 Reply
>>178248

A good one could. :)

If you want to do America-bashing you could always go to thread about mass shootings.

Posting shit about America here because of "sinophobia" is derailing and general shittery. It's poor sport, simple as that.
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Edward Besslestune - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 08:27:46 EST ZQ11iBVw No.178294 Reply
>>178273
The china bots are on double shifts right now. Which means they must be feeling really nervous about how much sympathy the world has for Hong Kong. As a Brit I have no idea why we abandoned them to China.

That said I can't peek over the great firewall of China, maybe we have Britbots spamming their obscure forums with false opinion to try to derail and bury legitimate discourse. Maybe we're just as bad, but if they're going to spam our forum we should all make sure we know what's going on in HK. It seems fair.
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Cornelius Shittingbury - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 09:17:11 EST k4enMT4C No.178295 Reply
>>178294
>As a Brit I have no idea why we abandoned them to China.

uhhh, maybe the fact that they're a way bigger and more powerful military force and they're right next to it while it's halfway around the world for you guys? It's not the 1700s anymore dude, Britain is not a legitimate military power anymore. All their power comes through finance. The agreement ensured that the UK would have access to Chinese markets via hong kong for 50 years.
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David Hunningridge - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 13:23:31 EST hAY66+H9 No.178297 Reply
>>178294
Yeah dude, you going through the motions about an Official State Enemy on an obscure drug board is bringing the empire down and they're sending spies to stop your heroism. You're just so gosh darned important and powerful that the big bad guy is sending internet henchmen at you to keep you from changing the world with your shitposts.

Get ready for a exciting car chase and gunfight and trophy love interest, because life is totally an action movie with you at the center of it.
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Isabella Subbleford - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 16:35:22 EST pgYC/fEk No.178300 Reply
>>178297
Hello newfriend! Welcome to 420chan's news board, where we have a verified long running problem with chinese political bots. Enjoy your stay.
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Cyril Chongersot - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 17:31:31 EST Dwn3U4hp No.178303 Reply
>>178300
Yes, which is why it's retarded to think that having the courage to heroically criticize these protests is what suddenly caused spambots to do what they've always done.

420chan also has a history of paranoid dipshits thinking they're at the center of some shadowy conspiracy because sometimes people say things they don't like.
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Isabella Subbleford - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 17:56:33 EST pgYC/fEk No.178304 Reply
>>178303
If you had been paying attention then you would know that there had been a long lull in the chinabot posts recently. >>178297 is where the over the top hyperbolic conspiracy bullshit was posted. Everything else so far has been entirely reasonable about chinese bots and derailing.
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Cyril Chongersot - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 18:18:02 EST Dwn3U4hp No.178306 Reply
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>>178304
Yes, automatically jumping to the conclusion that anyone who disagrees with them is a government robot designed to fuck with them is extremely reasonable and normal behavior.
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Martha Chunkincocke - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:10:38 EST g+vb2gyp No.178314 Reply
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>>178300
Chinese bot posts are easy to detect, you can just google snippets of the posts and find the other forums chinabot reached, or just google the person's ID to verify that they've never posted on /n/ before.

And any sort of bot is easy enough to notice given a few responses, since they don't actually understand anything, they just reproduce patterns found in their learning sets.


The people ITT calling out chinabot are full of shit.
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Chinabot - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:43:15 EST cTqHsJvI No.178315 Reply
>>178314
Has US dogs want to be not care for citizen? You will BURN and US will DIE for tyranny, great China noble and pure
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Nell Brannerville - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:46:58 EST cTqHsJvI No.178316 Reply
>>178315
They literally post shit like this, or a thread with the same subject and body and a yt link. Some of the recent wipes were clearly too intelligent to be a bot.
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Simon Beffingbury - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:58:17 EST pgYC/fEk No.178317 Reply
>The people ITT calling out chinabot are full of shit.
Only two people have done that in this entire thread; one guy here >>178233 and here >>178242, and another guy here >>178294 who was replying to an actual chinabot post that was deleted. The people making ridiculous dramatic posts like >>178297 are the ones that are full of shit.
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Lydia Beckleford - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 23:26:17 EST o8RJ8prs No.178322 Reply
>>178316
>They literally post shit like this
No they don't, they post shit like this >>178284 and this >>178283 Those are china bot posts.
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Eliza Drommerheck - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 07:35:22 EST E2Yofruj No.178332 Reply
>>178326
Considering where it was posted is sort of important:
>The Chinese American Liu (a.k.a. Crystal Liu) posted her support for the Hong Kong police on the Chinese site Weibo on Thursday.
and
>She has 65 million followers on Weibo. As for the tweets with the trending #BoycottMulan hashtag,Twitter is banned in China.

This may "just" be as benign as pandering to here Chinese fanbase.
Or it's her "genuine" opintion (not if she has the time to keep up with the news and wouln't have mainland relatives that influence her opinion)
If it's something sinister I bet it's mainland official consorting with the production team regarding the Chinese market and that was part of "the deal"

Either way that boycott hashtag is stupid af.
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Matilda Drellergold - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 07:38:00 EST rmnJIRob No.178333 Reply
>>178317
>>178322
Nah Chinabot had some very obvious posts with broken English, as well as threads that were the same. You guys are clinging pretty hard to this boogeyman.
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Eliza Drommerheck - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 08:21:42 EST E2Yofruj No.178334 Reply
regarding shills & "chinabots"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
>Research indicated a "massive secretive operation" to fill China's Internet with propaganda has resulted in some 488 million posts carried out by fake social media accounts, representing about 0.6% of the 80 billion posts generated on Chinese social media. To maximize their influence, such pro-government comments are made largely during times of intense online debate, and when online protests have a possibility of transforming into real life actions

Seems to me that phenomena is mainly restricted to the Chinese Internet. I'm not saying that there are definitely no shills here, but I advise everybody to chill.
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Shit Pendlewell - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 10:11:00 EST ar9mMa8V No.178338 Reply
Apparently we have to leave the goofy spam posts up so idiots won't claim they aren't happening.
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James Fettingstack - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 10:54:04 EST 3PMxUA// No.178339 Reply
>>178338
No, although leaving them up would help show how obvious they are. Someone in this thread linked to two china posts earlier, and it was very obvious they were chinabot posts.

That said, we should be careful not to assume that everyone we disagree with is a chinabot, immigrant, /pol/fag, bootlicker, or whatever the boogeyman of the week is.
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Edward Cullerworth - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 12:18:27 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178340 Reply
>>178339
>That said, we should be careful not to assume that everyone we disagree with is a chinabot, immigrant, /pol/fag, bootlicker, or whatever the boogeyman of the week is.

I agree, but I do want to point out that its stupid easy to see what posts are by a Chinabot, and that they arn't some "myth" like some people seem to think now.
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Nell Brannerville - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:49:24 EST cTqHsJvI No.178341 Reply
>>178340
I counteragree, or something. The Chinabot is about as obvious as NJ. The reason I caution against boogeymanning is because some posts here have been called out at CB posts when they clearly were not.
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Lydia Beckleford - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 15:06:01 EST o8RJ8prs No.178343 Reply
>>178333
>very obvious posts with broken English
I've never seen china bot make a post with English any worse than most of the other posts regulars made here. Aside from thread starters, china bot only has like fifty to a hundred posts in it's list and one canned reply about not being a bot. The two posts linked in >>178322 are some that we've seen posted over and over since whatever asshole decided /n/ was a political battleground for the chinese.
>as well as threads that were the same
Also wrong. China bot always makes thread in the same template. Thread title is the article title, the post is the title repeated and then a link to the article. Nothing else, ever. And the articles are usually two years old or older.

Keep in mind china bot isn't making up posts on the fly like NJ, it's just posting from a list of premade talking point bullshit.
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Nell Brannerville - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 16:59:37 EST cTqHsJvI No.178344 Reply
>>178343
>Also wrong. China bot always makes thread in the same template.
That doesn't preclude broken English, which is alive and well when Chinabot posts threads. He literally posts shit like "Do blind Americans love tyranny and want suffer? Americans say they do not want to suffer but do NOTHING about it"

Regardless, the point is that there are clear posts that are not a Chinese bot being called a Chinese bot in the same way we apply other boogeyman words. When we allow this to happen, China Bot wins.
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Oliver Gapperkag - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 18:22:30 EST eYHE1jlP No.178348 Reply
>>178344
When it posts threads it's article title-> article title-> article link with no deviation. Add the word "to" between want and suffer and it's no worse than anything else that gets posted as far proper English.
>Regardless, the point is that there are clear posts that are not a Chinese bot being called a Chinese bot in the same way we apply other boogeyman words.
Aside from the putz that I already pointed out it in this thread, where do you see that happening? And he's clearly an idiot anyway since the guy he was saying it to was having actual conversations, which china bot never does. You need to give your hyperbolic boogeyman shit a rest.
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Shit Bendlekit - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:27:03 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178382 Reply
>>178375
Look who's here!
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Hamilton Pommlebanks - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 03:35:18 EST ar9mMa8V No.178384 Reply
Chinocchio is a real boy!
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Lydia Crecklefield - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 03:58:44 EST MvRoQ1jI No.178388 Reply
>>178385
I understand using a bot to sway public opinion, but why the fuck would they not have it change up it's posts so it doesn't post the same thing over and over again? I've literally seen this post about five times already this past weed alone, are the chinese that shit at programming a bot?
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Jenny Clagglehall - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 00:53:02 EST vVyfKFDb No.178432 Reply
>>178388

I'm kind of honored they think our opinion is worth swinging
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Ian Pickford - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 06:35:29 EST V6+X45Hy No.178498 Reply
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>HK still protesting in summer
How long will this last?
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Fanny Nommleworth - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 06:48:04 EST ve/9KbEM No.178499 Reply
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>>178388
>but why the fuck would they not have it change up it's posts so it doesn't post the same thing over and over again?

Because it's a bot? Don't bots just respond to trigger words? I heard a rumor that china-bot will respond if you mention Winnie the Pooh, but I can't confirm if this is true.
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Henry Dellychet - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 07:09:41 EST 2yiiSLwu No.178537 Reply
Man this is going to get bloody isn't it?
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Sophie Bicklekatch - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 17:53:54 EST fxZPTs+O No.178539 Reply
>>178537
Probably not. The PRC knows that these protests will go nowhere because the protestors are completely gimped organizationally (in fact in many ways the protestors do this to themselves by emphasizing leaderlessness as a feature of their movement; the lack of any kind of central coordination means they can't seize or develop any political power, and at best they can only scare officials into acting right). The Chinese CP will target professional anti-PRC activists, and let the other protestors tire themselves out.
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Martin Susslecocke - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 19:08:23 EST dZDaQqJv No.178541 Reply
>>178537
Yes but not in HK. Historically expansionist empires don't stop, China is still working to secure their western "frontier" lands and I don't think they would spread west, I do however have a feeling that before all is said and done in HK the CCP will begin to set their sights on Taiwan and a proxy war will take place with high chances of an escalation to full blown war. Australia just published a paper the other day basically telling the US to ramp up their forces in Asia and China has been building their airstrip islands all around the south China sea. It's not going to end well but this won't be the straw that breaks the camel's back, just another weighing it down.

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