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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

France broke heat record

- Fri, 28 Jun 2019 18:34:00 EST qFtXSnUb No.177069
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>Météo-France said it recorded the new record-high in Gallargues-le-Montueux, a town about 25 kilometers (16 miles) northeast of Montpellier, at 4:20 p.m. on Friday. In Villevieille, also in southern France, the official temperature peaked at 45.4°C (113.7°F).

>The temperature in Gallargues-le-Montueux easily broke the country’s all-time record, which was set during the European heat wave in August 2003, when the temperature in southern France reached 44.1°C (111.4°F). The 2003 record was broken in at least 12 different places on Friday.

Henry Buzzstock - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 20:32:13 EST tlilhxRg No.177071 Reply
A Parisian friend mentioned they had a near-two-week-daily-thunderstorm streak.

One good thing about climate change is that all that freak weather is killing off those retarded babyboomers holding back climate legislation.

I expect a couple thousand of elderly across Europe to have passed away due to the heat by the end of summer. Maybe add a few hundred more for flash floods, heavy storms etc.
Eugene Fuckingham - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:53:12 EST qFtXSnUb No.177078 Reply
Where I live we hit 41, which sucked big tine already.
Emma Hussleshit - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 12:51:17 EST zntBSwID No.177082 Reply
Cut out the juvenile generational conflict. It was also boomers who first lead the charge on climate change and there will be plenty of millennials opposing it. The question is who from what generation will be allowed to do something about it. Who does our society allow the power to change it.
Eliza Billingdock - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 23:08:42 EST LSs0Jv/3 No.177090 Reply
Shit nigga I don't know what they're bitching about. According to the weather channel the temperature hit 100 degrees from scientific monitoring which is to say out of the sun and 6 feet off the ground. Plus their humidity was like 47%.

Come to where I live and enjoy 100 degrees for 3 months non-stop and humidity that never goes below 60%. And then be told to go out and work in it, you'll be alright. Just stay hydrated!

Fuck, I can't wait to move. This place fucking sucks.
Fuck Sonnerwill - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 00:01:13 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.177093 Reply
Europeans are of generally weaker stock and they'll die in the 80 degree heat. I know, it's funny, but consider the fact that all of our ancestors who lived here, say, in the US south, were the ones who didn't die of heat stroke in the pre-A/C era. These folks were never subject to the same environmental pressures, and their weak genetic stock reveals that.
Phyllis Hollerfield - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 00:20:39 EST 40UmO8hH No.177094 Reply

Amen. Boomer-hate seems to be some sort of coping mechanism, just blame someone else for how fucked things are.
Henry Chibbermutch - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 05:04:36 EST BnT8q3I2 No.177096 Reply
What's going on in Russia, why isn't it as hot as in the rest of Europe? I imagine Siberia must be unforgiving during the summer too.
Ernest Himmerridge - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 06:59:55 EST tlilhxRg No.177099 Reply
The American South has no fucking healthcare, so no one cares about all the hillbillies laying rotting in their mobile homes.

Russia already has a death rate higher than your typical African civil warzone, thanks to alcohol abuse, suicide, and just having zero safety regulations. People dying to extreme heat is not a big deal there.
Angus Wibbleforth - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 10:12:15 EST g+vb2gyp No.177100 Reply
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I think it's a response to the general cultural ideas about millennials, see the constant media articles noting the way people's economic choices have changed as we went from an economy where unskilled labor could raise a family to an economy where college graduates can't afford a house or healthcare.

For every anti-boomer post on 420chan you see, there's at least one NYT or Wapo article being nationally syndicated about millenials ruining mayonnaise or not buying $500,000 McMansions.
Nigel Hamblechane - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:11:53 EST QgwvDyjp No.177101 Reply
Just different weather patterns, big heat waves in western Europe like this are usually caused by hot dry air being blown north and west from the Sahara, you can see where its concentrated coming across the Mediterranean in OP's map, the Alps and Balkan mountains are blocking it partly from Germany and central Europe. Russia gets mostly the opposite trends, cold air from the arctic coming from the north east, so they miss out on when these happen.
Fuck Sonnerwill - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 13:07:48 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.177103 Reply
Daily reminder that millions of people died during and after the reinstatement of capitalism in the post-Soviet states
Edwin Clinkinworth - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 13:38:19 EST 8pt/AtPX No.177104 Reply
And millions died in the establishment of communism in Imperial Russia.

Revolutions sadly are very bloody. To claim "Millions died when capitalism came back" Is extremely disingenuous. there are MANY problems with capitalism that you dont need to invent any.
Fuck Sonnerwill - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 13:54:30 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.177105 Reply
>To claim "Millions died when capitalism came back" Is extremely disingenuous

It's raw facts:

Mortality rates in the post-Soviet world rose as quickly as they did as under any Soviet famine in the Stalin era. The death toll that can be attributed to privatization and liquidation of the planned economy, using the same demographic methods as those used by anti-communist historians, would have been in the seven figures at least. Looking at Russia today, was it worth it? Many Russians don't think so, with majorities still saying they preferred life in the USSR.
Edwin Clinkinworth - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 14:49:47 EST 8pt/AtPX No.177106 Reply

My point wasn't people didn't die. I was saying any sort of major revolution such as the change from Communist economies to Capitalist ones is such a destableizing effect. Thats my point.

>Many Russians don't think so, with majorities still saying they preferred life in the USSR.

Yeah, and if you go to the Baltic states or Poland and say that, you'll get punched in the mouth. Much more to the former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc then just Russia.
Matilda Widdlewill - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:19:32 EST cdEhykW9 No.177107 Reply
... And a lot those elderly in Europe could survive if they aren't too stubborn to use air conditioning
Fuck Sonnerwill - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 16:58:32 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.177109 Reply
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Plenty of post-Soviet Eastern bloc Republics show the same amount of nostalgia for the communist era as Russia. Opposition there has more to do with nationalism and open fascism than it does grievances against the planned economy, which typically manifest only as far as they relate to the former. Anti-communist Poles and Balts are some of the most virulently ethnonationalist people in the modern world, but even they suffered when the communist system was liquidated, with all of those countries seeing unbelievable increases in mortality and general population decline continuing to the present day.

I wouldn't want to offend any neo-Nazis in the Baltics though, I guess.
Nigel Hamblechane - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 17:16:58 EST QgwvDyjp No.177110 Reply
Its not so much stubbornness as not needing it enough to install it everywhere and not being able to afford it. I was in London for a heat wave last year and it was hell on earth, they don't have AC anywhere including shit like hospitals or the subways, they don't stock cold drinks in any grocery or convenience store. Wipe any thought of public pools from your mind, if you're lucky you could go to the seaside, if not maybe go run through a public fountain.

They're just not prepared for it as a society
Edwin Clinkinworth - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 18:09:15 EST 8pt/AtPX No.177112 Reply
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So, what you are claiming is as much as 70% of the Baltic are Nazis and racist. Strange give how social liberal the Baltics are.

Thats also a funny claim to make given how many neo-nazis in Russia support the return of the USSR.
Charles Moblingcocke - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 19:39:59 EST qFtXSnUb No.177113 Reply
Air conditioning is expensive.

And air conditioning sucks. But i live in the countryside so the heat is kinda bearable. In your face city people
Fuck Sonnerwill - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 19:53:53 EST Zg4OPEmQ No.177115 Reply
>social liberal

Lol. And of course you leave Poland out of that assessment, for good reason. That image implies people who lived through the Soviet Union were more likely to miss it. No shit. They know things don't have to be organized to produce abject misery, homelessness, preventable death from disease, anomie, and so on.

The only reason I'm defensive at all about this is because market economies have plainly shown themselves to be incapable of coordinating action capable of mitigating climate change. A planned economy, maybe not the USSR's economy, but a planned economy could solve the coordination issue. However, one has to recognize the USSR's achievements to make a case for planned economies based on real rather than theoretical examples. Estonian, Ukrainian, and Polish nationalists are craven and their propaganda needs to be combated.
Ernest Bringertot - Mon, 01 Jul 2019 01:39:03 EST 4scaaRdR No.177120 Reply

it may be expensive but it is one of the greatest luxuries of the modern age. A/C and hot showers, man.
William Drodgeman - Mon, 01 Jul 2019 08:50:11 EST qFtXSnUb No.177129 Reply
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>Make me life impossible!
>Organise a sit in
>get peppersprayed

Get the guillotine Jean-luc
Emma Nemmlefoot - Wed, 03 Jul 2019 21:04:30 EST k4enMT4C No.177192 Reply
We now expend more energy globally to cool air than we do to heat.
Esther Climbleman - Fri, 05 Jul 2019 23:54:38 EST rZVlyepI No.177219 Reply
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Always thought that french (chicks) are hot but not like this...
Isabella Dacklefoot - Sat, 06 Jul 2019 15:37:09 EST 94gzYDrK No.177228 Reply
Poland actually does genuinely hate Communism but only because they sincerely hate Russians for various reasons Katyn etc. They just see it as a vestige of an occupying force. You're most right about the others though. I think.
Rebecca Dankinville - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 05:16:00 EST sTg+meo+ No.177440 Reply
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Europes gonna get hotter than the young Brigdette Bardot...
Jenny Hanningstudge - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:33:36 EST jfSMnFRb No.177598 Reply
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Guess it's USA's turn for a heatwave.....
Arkansas is getting over 100........
Hedda Bannerwodging - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 03:42:42 EST u1SpHehc No.177603 Reply

A new one is hitting France too, it won't be quite as bad but still..'
Priscilla Picklefield - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:30:59 EST cTqHsJvI No.177618 Reply
The heat just broke here. Holy fuck that sucked. I guess it's a small price to pay for wasteful profit-driven climate change.
Europes gonna get hotter than the young Sprigdette Spardot...
Got em'
Augustus Fuckingforth - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 05:33:53 EST 9DzHdrgI No.177977 Reply
There's no denying climate change now...
Basil Suvingtetch - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 05:51:27 EST q7lxlYWS No.177978 Reply
there will be deniers to the bitter end unfortuntately. too much of the usa is high above sea level.
Phyllis Sallywater - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 13:38:26 EST fxZPTs+O No.177985 Reply
Motherfuckers have gone from "there's no such thing, let's just keep on the same track forever" to "it's happening but it's not our fault and even if it is there's nothing we can do about it, let's just keep on the same track forever".
Nigel Surrystone - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 12:15:30 EST E2Yofruj No.178002 Reply
>Their sober forecast derives from a key empirical finding: Just like other animals and plants, humans exhibit optimal productivity in a specific band of temperatures.
What a ridiculous conclusion.

When it comes to crops and livestock the optimal temperature range varies greatly. In 80 years we'll certainly won't be using the same cultivars & breeds we're using now, it will be ones that are better adapted to the climate in that period.
Comparing human productivity to temperature is ridiculous. I sincerely doubt they can provide any prove of a causal relation there.
Nigel Surrystone - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 12:20:00 EST E2Yofruj No.178003 Reply
Also that chart seems to depict a nonsensical scale:
While +100% gdp is merely double, -100% (at which some countries seem to be close to) would be total annihilation, nada, zilch economic activity.
Phineas Singersut - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 15:35:26 EST 5qzuynbs No.178005 Reply
>What a ridiculous conclusion.
>Comparing human productivity to temperature is ridiculous.
Could you explain why that is?
Fanny Mandlestock - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 15:38:02 EST QgwvDyjp No.178006 Reply
Well for one thing the majority of human economic productivity happens indoors, and air conditioning is a thing
Betsy Ponderridge - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 15:39:59 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178007 Reply
Yep, those well know Air conditioned farms, quarries, mines, lumber camps....
Fanny Mandlestock - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 15:54:22 EST QgwvDyjp No.178008 Reply
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Yeah that's called the Primary Sector you just described, and in terms of gdp and productivity (which are the terms we're talking here) it's not important anymore, anywhere except the absolute poorest parts of the planet. And in developed countries it's the most mechanized and automated sector of the economy.

The USA is slated for major economic collapse on that map posted above, where agriculture makes up 1% of gdp.
Betsy Ponderridge - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 16:01:57 EST 3Odo9IR+ No.178009 Reply
Those economies still need the basic resources provided by them. This is also ignoring the massive disruption we're already seeing with droughts, rising sea levels (or in some places bodies of water drying up.) and more extreme weather.

And that's ignore the doomsday scenarios that may present itself (Basically all life in the ocean dying off due to the growing acifidiction because with the heat and CO2 )

To say "But we got ACs!" Is perhaps one of the weakest defense to that. Never mind that AC is a MASSIVE power sink, and the problem isn't even generation, but distribution, are most power networks are over 50 years old at this point and already loose a tonne of power in sag.
Fanny Mandlestock - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 16:10:01 EST QgwvDyjp No.178010 Reply
Don't confuse me with some climate change denier or techno utopianist who thinks we can engineer ourselves out of it. Stuff is gonna change, a lot, for the worse.

But I'm specifically talking about that study and methodology posted and discussed above.
Nigel Surrystone - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 16:45:41 EST E2Yofruj No.178011 Reply
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Simply correlation does not imply causation is the my core quarrel.
And that humans evolved in the sub-saharan desert which is one of the hottest region on earth.

Of course there is an actual (historic) reason for the global south:
In pre-industrial and pre-scientifc times climate and more specifically uniform climate lead to the possibility of one method of agriculture being adopted across vast regions.
This was the case for central Europe and central Asia which is why the largest ancient empires came from there.
Then came colonialism, slavery, neo-conoliaism & oil wars which lead to the current situation.

This requirement (an uniform climate) is already almost irrelevant and will be even more so because technological & scientific progress over 80years.
Sure there's a technological gap between the 1st & 3rd world, but this has significantly changed in the past 30 years.

Also this graph, I don't really see that turning around.
Nigel Surrystone - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 16:54:19 EST E2Yofruj No.178012 Reply
Also in case you're wondering what's the "magical" thing that appeared in the 1970-1980s that triggered the global decline of extreme poverty: Computers & Automation
Fuck Birringdock - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 17:03:02 EST n1GNC4dt No.178013 Reply
That's why there are scientists whose research is dedicated to climate science and analyzing the data to determine causation which, you guessed it, is because of human activity
Nigel Surrystone - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 17:09:52 EST E2Yofruj No.178014 Reply
>Those economies still need the basic resources provided by them. This is also ignoring the massive disruption we're already seeing with droughts, rising sea levels (or in some places bodies of water drying up.) and more extreme weather.

Yes that's gonna disrupt agriculture around the world. What I'm saying is that people will grow less water dependent & more heat resistant crops.
What I am accusing this study of is that it assumes people are so stupid that they would try to grow the same crops they do now.
Nigel Surrystone - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 17:14:42 EST E2Yofruj No.178015 Reply
>That's why there are scientists whose research is dedicated to climate science and analyzing the data to determine causation which, you guessed it, is because of human activity
No doubt.
All I'm saying is that the macroeconomic ramification of that are much harder to predict, especially over a time-frame of 80 years.
Charles Gadgeman - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 18:01:16 EST fxZPTs+O No.178018 Reply
Our World in Data uses statistics in an ideological manner by presenting them as raw facts. There's a strong argument to be made against that graph in particular, in that daily income is not really a great measure of poverty or material standard of living. I think using monetary accounts can be justified by convenience (it's easier to collect that data than to collect a survey of living conditions) but then we sacrifice accuracy for convenience.

I'm biased though because OWID seems to be really in that centrist neolib line of thinking, where everything is linearly progressing toward a better world and nothing substantial needs to be changed or reworked and people who say otherwise are dangerous radicals. I think that kind of thinking is bankrupt as we inch closer and closer to crisis in the world politico-economic system.
Charles Gadgeman - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 18:02:44 EST fxZPTs+O No.178019 Reply
You know what else happened? China gave its massive surplus industrial army over to American and European capital which used it to fuel a breakout from the economic stagnation of the 70s through massively increasing the rate of exploitation).
Cyril Blimblewill - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 19:35:05 EST 2frQs8IP No.178023 Reply

You should read the article properly before arguing against the findings. The percentage is relative of the expected GDP in the future WITHOUT taking account for climate change. -100% does not mean total loss.

They make a solid case, and have empirical proof to back up their assumptions; for example that human productivity have an optimal temperature at around 13C. Don’t understand your AC argument, humans don’t exist in an airconditioned box all day. In fact most humans can only dream of owning one.
Nigel Surrystone - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 19:50:00 EST E2Yofruj No.178024 Reply
I agree that it's a quite narrow statistic which does not take into account accumulated, inherited and public wealth present in first world countries and that I agree is getting worse.

I even share the pessimism towards that: A lesser and lesser fraction of the productivity gains make it to the general public. And centralized ownership of the data needed to train AI algorithms will make that even worse before it gets better.
However: There are certain possible technological breakthroughs or incremental improvements that would turn that trend around very fast.
They are either abundant energy or universal automation. Both can happen radically (fusion & AGI) or incremental improvement (solar & intelligence amplification)
And independently how unlikely this outcome is there's another factor to consider: How we share access to technology, (or the means of production if you're coming from that angle) is shifting.
And that has nothing to do with politics but how academia, industry & open source is becoming more intertwined. So in the long run the information to use any kind of technology will be available without financial cost itself.

Access to physical resources to actually build these technologies is another matter though which I think will be the biggest hurdle to overcome.
Nigel Surrystone - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 19:59:38 EST E2Yofruj No.178025 Reply
-100% is of any value is 0
If they meant expected GDP growth then it might make more sense but then there would be no areas with negative growth, which also seems weird.
Or perhaps they are using a weighted metric where the range is -100% to +100% by definition?
Either way the metric they are using seems sort of obscure to me and if anything it was picked to dramatize the results.

I didn't make the AC argument, but I did complain about the lack of an obvious causal link. I'd argue it's a weak correlation in the sense that poor people are living in hot areas.
Lydia Sopperdock - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 20:18:11 EST fxZPTs+O No.178027 Reply
I think we have the needed technology today, and probably have since the eighties and the PC revolution. The problem is the need to break off from capitalist logic altogether, from the logic of capital accumulation, and to develop a non-monetary economic sphere.

But yeah, you point out the biggest problem: where's the physical resources and energy inputs for this shit? It seems to me that our society has everything it needs to deliver everyone a comfortable material standard of living with what's currently at our disposal, but the political and economic superstructure of society prevent us from doing this.
Jenny Billingspear - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 18:36:07 EST 2frQs8IP No.178049 Reply

Sorry, mixed you with the AC guy.

The way I understood it, if your nation has an expected 40% growth from traditional GDP metrics by 2100 (Which does not account for global warming at all), and this study (which accounts for global warming) shows -80% it means a -40% loss from today's GDP. Which may well not be outlandish in already warm countries.
I might be wrong here, and I agree the visuals elected to respresent the study is not the most intuitive one.

However the point of the study is the trend, not the numbers. We see the same thing from a lot of other sources, for example how the Pentagon itself is already scheming on how to face conflicts and resource issues arising from a warming climate, disregarding whatever the current president's policy is.

The most controversial point of the study is of course the claim of an optimal temperature of modern human productivity, but honestly how many studies on this has been made anyway? We are animals, and all animals have an optimal range. When all things are equal, low temperatures may well prove to be optimal for modern civilization. High temps have already been proven to cause more risk-taking and lower focus in human psychology, and individual humans are the ones driving the economy of this world.
David Settingtadge - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 20:18:39 EST 6PDLZpdU No.178050 Reply
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80 degrees Fahrenheit Is a cake walk for Celtiberian master race and romans.
Also, your WASP kin still gets skin cancer and shit genetics( The redneck phenotype like overweight, poor jaw structure, pink porky skin when they get sun burn,etc) due inbreeding/incest that goes back to the depressive piss rainy island they came from and the shit tier fastfood american diet.
Graham Claydale - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 04:21:06 EST tlilhxRg No.178057 Reply
Don't forget that the USA has no fucking healthcare, so fucking trailer trash can fucking die by the millions from exposure death and no one will give a fuck.
Henry Dennerhall - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 07:35:02 EST 5W45NlhO No.178062 Reply
Nah nigga we a melting pot of cultures and genes. Don't let our current immigration rhetoric fool you. Our leaders are just retarded.
Cyril Brirringkit - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 09:20:15 EST QgwvDyjp No.178063 Reply
The vast majority of East Coast, Appalachian and southern whites are though, if you include the Irish than there are more British Americans than German, or any other ancestry group

Deep south hick accents are closer to colonial era British accents than modern British accents are.
Henry Drisslestine - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 09:28:34 EST 3pGQ5AoN No.178064 Reply
You think Britain isn't? We've been invaded every couple of hundred years since 5000BC. Say one thing for being the bitch boy of Europe, it makes those "Inbreeding" jokes hard to stick. When we finally stopped that we started importing people from the carribean, india etc. Their kids can't handle the heat any better than us but meanwhile in Australia...

British are just wussy because we have some of the mildest weather in the world. We also have no precautions because it's almost never below 0 or above 30 so our houses, lifestyle , clothing, cars etc aren't set up for the exceptions. It's easier to just not work one day every 2 years than have everyone buy chains for their cars so they can spend 2 hours fitting them, drive in, drive back and then spend 2 hours removing them the next day. We have a shitty lifestyle, diet second only to the US in shittiness and our rulers (the Etonian Political class) are all creepy inbreds though.
David Settingtadge - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 19:04:13 EST 6PDLZpdU No.178087 Reply
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I'm not arguing that.

Most British people and western Europeans and south western Europeans (Iberian peninsula) share a common ancestor, Basque people, the original "whites" and oldest native group in Europe before the Indo-Europeans, "old Europeans". My theory is that another old European ethnic group are the Finno-Ugric/Saami .

That doesn't exclude the obvious incest practices between the Anglo-Saxons during the dark ages.

For example a few years ago they tested DNA of three Anglo-Saxons buried near Hinxton (they lived around 1,300 years ago) . Such tests can detect whether someone was a product of incest, or not. Three of the Anglo-Saxons buried there were tested specimens named "Hinxton-2", "Hinxton-3" and "Hinxton-5". All those three Anglo-Saxons were women.
And this is what they found about parents of those three individuals:

Hinxton-2 : parents were first cousins.
Hinxton-3 : parents were first or second cousins.
Hinxton-5 : parents were half siblings.

They also found two Celtic-era Britons buried in the same place, who lived 2,000 years ago named "Hinxton-1" and "Hinxton-4". They were males. And parents of those Iron Age Britons were not related to each other.

So incest was common in Dark Age Britain, but not in Iron Age (pre-Roman) Britain. An Anglo-Saxon practice that was brought to the new World (specially the Southern States).

Pic related basque kids who can easily pass as British.
Reuben Dartbury - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 21:50:12 EST knEJrFNN No.178093 Reply
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Europe just has to stay cool with ice-cream...
Betsy Duffingtotch - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 04:31:32 EST LP2R8jy+ No.178287 Reply
yo I'm american and I ain't said none of that shit so you wrong

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