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Bernie details and to legalize marijuana, vacate convictions, protect from corporatization

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- Fri, 08 Nov 2019 11:08:50 EST B2fCBIr0 No.180785
File: 1573229330418.png -(347020B / 338.89KB, 680x548) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Bernie details and to legalize marijuana, vacate convictions, protect from corporatization
Bernie laid out the details for the most comprehensive plan yet to legalise weed and end the drug war. Plans include:
>legalize marijuana within 100 days of taking office
>nominate AG and HHS secretary who will work to end drug war
>vacate and expunge all past marijuana-related convictions, including those still in prison
>protect marijuana industry from being controlled by big corporations
>incentivize nonprofits
>institute market share caps to prevent consolidation and monopolization
>invest profits into communities hit hardest by drug war
>eliminate barriers to public benefits for those who were fucked by legal system

https://www.alternet.org/2019/10/bernie-sanders-plan-to-legalize-marijuana-does-more-than-just-legalize-marijuana/
https://www.marijuanamoment.net/bernie-sanders-outlines-three-step-marijuana-plan-to-block-big-corporations-from-controlling-market/
https://shepherdexpress.com/hemp/cannabis/sanders-would-legalize-marijuana-within-100-days-of-taking-o/
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/bernie-sanders-marijuana-plan-420/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/24/20930422/bernie-sanders-marijuana-legalization-plan
https://www.greenstate.com/news/bernie-sanders-plan-to-legalize-marijuana-goes-furthest-among-presidential-candidates/
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Henry Pipperdudge - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 17:17:56 EST /7uFInDu No.180792 Reply
>>180790
Between the tax increases involved in his 2016 plan and the increasingly rabid gun control ideas, I could give a shit about legalizing smoke.
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Doris Cluffinggold - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 18:13:49 EST g+vb2gyp No.180795 Reply
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>>180792
The tax increases will be more than offset than what you pay for healthcare today.

Bernie is the least anti-gun of any of the candidates.
Considering the guy marched and was arrested with civil rights activists and spent his honeymoon in a country that got invaded by every capitalist country at once, I think he is the only candidate who both understands why the workers must be armed.
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Caroline Sedgeluck - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 18:31:19 EST tlilhxRg No.180796 Reply
>>180795
BUD DOND YA GEDDID

DEM LIBRULS WANNA LOK UP ALL DEM GUNS, LIKE IN NORWEY N SWEDIN N HOLLAN NO ONE GOT GUNS DERE!
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John Feddleforth - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 20:29:37 EST qvmaC5+k No.180801 Reply
There is no way Dems gonna take away your guns. Although a mirror of Trump
by democrat run government that wanted to take guns, still a no-go. No
Demcorats, except the few, would unconditionally back a president to disarm the population. Plain and simple. No Democrats would back a Democratic leadership like Trump in any way to begin with.

Remember the "obama gonna take your duns." Buy as much ammo and guns as possible. Nothing special but some hippe neighbor bought guns when Obama was elected. Still never fired a shot. I offered to teach them to shoot, but naw. I offered them simple as anything to seek gun, hunter safety clesses. No.

I believe in hunter safety classes, as a decent per-requite to the 'defend your home and family lunatics,' classes, some who are all about teaching people to be perpetually afraid. That is how some make their money, little on efficient handling and respect for firearms safely. Just that the bad guy, whomever happens to walk through your door, that you must not take a defensive protective stance, but a pro-active offense stance.

Arming teachers, in every school, yea sure. Whatever.
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Alice Fanforth - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:22:12 EST S1XbmP+M No.180838 Reply
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>>180785
Sure, we can congratulate Bernie for the fact that he is in favor of Gentile children doing drugs, but let's not forget that he is also a bloodthirsty warmonger.
He wanted military intervention in Yugoslavia. He voted yes on Bombing Kosovo. (see https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106-1999/h103 )
He voted to finance the Iraq War multiple times. Supports the war in Afghanistan and voted for it.
Supported the coup in Ukraine and voted to give 1 billion dollars towards it.
Supports aiding Al Qaeda in Syria and calls them “moderate rebels”
Voted to invade Libya. As Clinton said to him in a debate, “With all due respect, Senator, you voted for regime change with respect to Libya. You joined the Senate in voting to get rid of Gaddafi, and you asked that there be a Security Council validation of that with a resolution.”
Bernie was a cosponsor of the war propaganda resolution.
He Voted for sanctions on Iran and Libya
Pro Drone Strikes
He supported US intervention in Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Liberia, Zaire (Congo), Albania, Sudan, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia
He Supports Saudi Arabia bombing Yemen and he is in total denial that Saudi Arabia is backing ISIS not fighting them.

His only vote against a war was Iraq, however, many Democrats did that, and as a vote against Bush, not the War. Bernie voted to fund the war and had no problem with it once Obama was in charge of it. He also supported the sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of children.
He also was against impeaching George Bush and called it impractical.
He gutted the audit the fed bill (the night before it was being voted on)
Totally supports Israel. He told people in a town hall meeting to shut up about it.

Of all the corporate welfare which Bernie likes to droll on and on about, there is none larger than all of the military interventions he supports. He also supported the F35 program which of course was jointly built with the Israelis and cost 1.5 trillion dollars so far to build an aircraft that doesn’t even really work. With a 18 trillion dollar debt 8.3% of it is the F35 project alone. For you millennials who can’t do math, that’s 1.5/18. Of course parts of the F35 are built in Vermont. Bernie like everyone he criticizes fights for his slice of the pork projects and helps waste trillions.

>>180795
All that pic proves is that Communists are evil liars and deceivers who are never to be trusted. They demand freedom of speech, freedom to carry guns and so on, and as soon as they are in power themselves, they take those freedoms away from anyone else.

Under the Chinese Communist Party, mainland China has some of the most strict anti-gun laws in the world:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-04/21/content_856308.htm

Russia's peasants were free to bear arms under the Czar, and remained so until the Soviet government disarmed them so they would not be capable of resisting the Communist mass-murderers:
http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/123335-americans_guns/

After Hitler had greatly relaxed the German gun laws (see the Reich Firearms Act, passed in March 1938) so that Germans would be able to resist foreign invasions as well as -- in case it should ever betray its own people and devolve into tyranny -- the government itself, the Communists in East Germany quickly started confiscating guns and implementing draconian gun control laws:
http://backyard-safari.blogspot.com/2010/04/dokumente-zum-waffenrecht-der-ddr.html
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Edwin Chivingwater - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:36:56 EST lTVYhA/B No.180839 Reply
>>180838
>
After Hitler had greatly relaxed the German gun laws (see the Reich Firearms Act, passed in March 1938) so that Germans would be able to resist foreign invasions as well as -- in case it should ever betray its own people and devolve into tyranny -- the government itself, the Communists in East Germany quickly started confiscating guns and implementing draconian gun control laws:
http://backyard-safari.blogspot.com/2010/04/dokumente-zum-waffenrecht-der-ddr.html


Cool story, Nazi.
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Alice Fanforth - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:44:41 EST S1XbmP+M No.180840 Reply
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>>180839
>>180838
Notice how Nazis can back up all their claims with factual evidence, while leftists can only rely on name-calling and other smear tactics, because their entire ideology is built on lies, ignorance and falsehoods.
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Fucking Dartstock - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:34:41 EST +8irr0Qf No.180844 Reply
>>180840
You mean, how he provided evidence and you only had hominem and give us latest blurry jpeg retarded meme image from pol because you are retarded as fuck shitposter from the future who not know how to make any argument? Do you think earth is flat and climate change not real both because liberal conspiracy? It honestly amazes, what people walk this earth able to even operate computers.
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Charlotte Hellerfoot - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:58:24 EST GW1axdWk No.180847 Reply
>>180840
>the lie that Europe was always multicultural
>the continent of Europe
>not multicultural
holy shit what dude?

that's way more offensive to the various cultures and peoples of Europe than any amount of BBC adaptations could ever be
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David Pockwell - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 21:07:18 EST YfywLrlg No.180848 Reply
This is why we don't want polshit here.
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Polly Blovinghetch - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 23:07:34 EST g+vb2gyp No.180849 Reply
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>>180847
Some people don't consider Ireland part of Europe, and the rest of Europe is all a singular, homogeneous, non-irish culture.
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Albert Brookspear - Tue, 12 Nov 2019 14:32:34 EST L3zo7DjP No.180859 Reply
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>>180792
Bernie isn't going to take your guns you retarded chud.
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Cyril Brezzleput - Wed, 13 Nov 2019 18:24:55 EST /7uFInDu No.180874 Reply
>>180795
A 10-12% increase for people making under 70k per year is enough for me, maybe people should consider working with companies that provide HC as a benefit if they don't want to budget the amount needed. He's nothing more than a career politician. Did you hear about how he was kicked out of Myrtle Farm commune over laziness? His history of support for murderers like Castro doesn't bode well either.
>>180796 Very funny. This is about assault weapon bans. Did you know in Germany, airsoft guns over 75 fps, from what I recall, are not allowed to be fully automatic? In those countries they've basically punished people who want to participate in shooting sports and hunting by making it very expensive to get into, with 9 months+ of red tape, and forget about self-defense.
>>180801 Remember what Beto said about ARs and AKs? Then what Joy Behar said regarding that?
>>180859 https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban
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Jack Blunningbin - Wed, 13 Nov 2019 20:30:40 EST E2Yofruj No.180877 Reply
re: guns vs. weed
More people smoke weed than own guns, and if you're a pothead or a grower you'd be a single issue voter too.
Also fuck the "Bernie can't win because gun control argument."
Appeasing the NRA crowd is pointless for a Democrat, those people will never not vote Republican, let alone Bernie.

So bring it.
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William Hillyridge - Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:40:50 EST DnQ32w8b No.180878 Reply
I like how theres literally a public impeachment hearing going on that has brought to light some amazing things and theres zero mention of it.

yeah this site is basically fox news and the future. im not saying that you're all politically on the same side but that you're all basically a bunch of weak vulnerable idiots who have been so absolutely bullied and beaten down by the trolls that you are too scared to even post about the impeachment.

it's called a media black out for a reason. your apathy makes me fucking nauseous and its obvious you wont show up to the polls either. fucking pathetic
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William Hillyridge - Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:42:09 EST DnQ32w8b No.180879 Reply
no really, you're too afraid to talk about it because you dont care about it anymore, or its not that you dont care, you just dont want /pol/ to come here and bully you. fucking weak
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William Claycocke - Wed, 13 Nov 2019 22:48:59 EST +8irr0Qf No.180882 Reply
>>180878
>>180879
Thread literally right below you that longest thread on whole front page is almost entirely about it you dumb the future faggot
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Fuck Boddlenit - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 01:43:55 EST wFK2Hm63 No.180884 Reply
>>180883
You're the one talking all that shit, I don't see you in the thread that existed before your greasy, fish eyed faggot face around here that you were so upset didn't exist blowing the lid off this impeachment process that has been looming for the last 3 years and is going in slow motion. Go on, no one is stopping you from deep throating the whole board and discussing the issue in the active thread instead of going into an unrelated thread and jerking yourself off for not being scared to discuss x topic in y thread.

In all seriousness you are a dipshit of the highest caliber and I hope you die in a freak accident while watching a cum eating instruction video on pornhub and your family finds you in the basement with your pants around your ankles and a throat full of your own product with a playlist of aged women in garish latex gloves smoking cigarettes with Cruela Deville tube extensions demanding you "get every drop" blares out of the iPhone7 they got you for "job hunting".
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Martha Brubblemeck - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 08:39:57 EST rvsWMo5D No.180885 Reply
>>180878
Really man I don't know what you think this website is, but every single person here knows how to get to 4/chan/ and if we wanted to... I was going to say endlessly debate rednecks, but there's no debate, because you have no depth, you read hate propaganda on image boards and it arouses you and you repeat it. If anyone tries to engage you in a conversation that requires any kind of additional information you all start screaming about the blacks or the jews and how everyone should buy guns and nobody gives a fuck. Just stop. We can all find our way to 4/chan/. Go there and talk about this shit.
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Jack Wonderkit - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:55:41 EST /7uFInDu No.180887 Reply
>>180877
Pot is cool and all, better than drinking, but being a single issue voter is just moronic. There are some issues that shouldn't be compromised on. I like Dave Chapelle's idea. "The second amendment is in case the first one fails"
You introduce more gun control, you'll see freedom of speech fade even more than it already has. All of that aside, why would you want someone who would raise taxes on everyone?
>>180881 The assault weapon ban is a no go. All it would do is ruin American manufacturing. You cant get out of grandfathering guns in, and the ones on the street are mostly stolen anyway. Did you miss how the democrats tried to exclude known gang members from ERPO confiscations but have no problem stealing guns from some old guy? What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
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Martha Brubblemeck - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 10:56:38 EST rvsWMo5D No.180888 Reply
>>180887
This is dumb as fuck. Vote your conscience on whatever issue is most important and don't let smoothbrains try to tell you any reason is more or less valid because that has been demonstrated to be not true.
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Hugh Chobbertodge - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 14:52:42 EST sZkgOqQO No.180895 Reply
>>180887
>The assault weapon ban is a no go. All it would do is ruin American manufacturing.
No it wouldn't. The government shouldn't be bailing out failing businesses anyway.

>What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
Where in the Constitution does it say access to assault weapons at a moment's notice shall not be infringed?
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Emma Nickledale - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:01:10 EST gjEAcvaM No.180897 Reply
>>180895
Why are you dancing that boring dance? I can link you to literally a thousand circlejerk threads where someone made that exact same argument as a response to the exact same shit head bait. Why not just paste a link to the last time a dumbass asked that? Then his equally brain damaged response would be right there in your link, and none of us would have to hear another rendition.
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William Hillyridge - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:25:26 EST DnQ32w8b No.180898 Reply
>>180884
i have a girlfriend and family that loves me while you have none of those things and you get upset on a message board so much so that you can't tell your friends from your enemies
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Jack Blunningbin - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:29:33 EST E2Yofruj No.180899 Reply
>protect marijuana industry from being controlled by big corporations
>incentivize nonprofits
>institute market share caps to prevent consolidation and monopolization
I am wondering, lets say Phillip Morris decides they wanna get into the business and back Sander's campaign. ( I know it's a stretch )
I get the premise of not wanting them in. But considering how they might spend a few million on R&D on how to produce a new kind of filter that lets THC through and be viable to be used in industrial cigarette production facilities.
Because from a purely egoistical consumer perspective I want industrial quality actual marijuana cigarettes in a pack of 20 with smooth smoke and great taste.
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William Hillyridge - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:30:22 EST DnQ32w8b No.180900 Reply
>>180885
you cant even relate to people who share your own viewpoints, you're not jewish and you're not black youre not even a minority and you pretend to hold these values that i have EMBEDDED into me from growing up and being descriminated against. having rocks thrown at me and told im going to hell. for half of my life ive had backwards christian retards hounding me and now i have you fucking idiots like you who claim to be the complete opposite hounding me for what? FOR WHAT? daring to look at this board and see that nobody was talking about trump's impeachment? you don't even know what the enemy looks like, you're just fucking mad because you have never faced challenges in your entire life. you're not a friend, you're as much of a foe to me as the people who called me the n word
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William Hillyridge - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:34:24 EST DnQ32w8b No.180901 Reply
>>180885
>Really man I don't know what you think this website is
A place to talk about how Trump is getting impeached
>I was going to say endlessly debate rednecks, but there's no debate,
There is no debate
>because you have no depth, you read hate propaganda on image boards and it arouses you and you repeat it.
No I didnt. I fucking dare you to find where i did.
> If anyone tries to engage you in a conversation that requires any kind of additional information you all start screaming about the blacks or the jews
what the FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT FUCK YOU
>We can all find our way to 4/chan/
YOU'RE FROM THERE AND YOU CAN GO BACK THERE, OR YOU'RE SOME STUPID FUCKING TROLL
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Hugh Clunnerstone - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:34:28 EST GW1axdWk No.180902 Reply
>>180899
>R&D for marijuana
>guys maybe letting the corporations take over is a good thing???
>R&D for marijuana
Just what level of neoliberal are you operating on, you absolute pyscho?
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Jack Blunningbin - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:57:46 EST E2Yofruj No.180903 Reply
>>180902
>Just what level of neoliberal are you operating on, you absolute pyscho?
About 38%
I buy things like deodorant and shampoo with a amazon prime subscription and I have a free google home mini they sent me because I pay Alphabet to not show ads on my Philips OLED smart TV.

I do make my own filtertips at the copyshop though if I can get the clerks to let me use the guillotine paper cutter.
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Emma Gooddock - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 17:02:26 EST TUsmnRFO No.180904 Reply
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>>180899
No, you corporatist nerd, letting soulless conglomerates take over everything good in our lives isn't a fucking good thing.
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Jack Blunningbin - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 17:24:18 EST E2Yofruj No.180907 Reply
>>180904
Chill, I am just trying to see the silver lining when it comes to the consumerist society we live in. As an agenda I think Bernie's approach is on the spot.
I'm trying to see what comes after that.

Economy of scale and automation as well as industrial quality are just tied to capitalism at this point. It would take a fundamental shift in the system to change that. And this is just bigger than weed.
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Ian Manningham - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 17:45:58 EST g+vb2gyp No.180908 Reply
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>>180907
We can have mass production without capitalism.
Capitalism just means the capitalists control it and steal the profits as opposed to actual workers or the public.
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Lillian Mollytick - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 18:55:45 EST dZDaQqJv No.180910 Reply
>>180898
>>180901
It's cool you have a beard on deck. Keep up the act so your dad who's also in the closet can keep loving you. Gayness doens't skip a generation. Maybe your mom and the developmentally disabled girl you tricked into coming home with you on the bus can pick up one of those hobbies together that ladies with cat sweatshirts pick up to spend the time they would otherwise use getting fucked.

Anyway, the way this site works is there are topics and responses. There is an impeachment topic thread with weeks of responses and very little in the last few days that you can view the opinions of other users on and also are encouraged to voice yours because without conversation this site is just train spam and "ironic" hentai. Feel free to go there and talk about that.

This is the Bernie Sanders topic. Feel free to discuss that or fuck off back to whatever non-ironic hentai den you misspelled in the browser to get here.
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Ian Cirryworth - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 20:17:09 EST gjEAcvaM No.180912 Reply
>>180901
Jesus Christ grandpa, you're going to blow a blood vessel. Get off the internet, go outside, and practice negotiating your existence with actual people and you'll find that being an explosive ignorant dickhead all the time doesn't serve you well in a successful life.
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Nicholas Blythefield - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 21:19:26 EST /7uFInDu No.180913 Reply
>>180895
Bailing out failing businesses? Gun sales, and prices, go up every time we have a president running with a gun control platform. Do you even know what bailout means? Giving subsidies is much different from leaving regulation alone.
The 2nd amendment was written so that the people could bear arms with the possibility of defending themselves from tyranny. "Assault weapons" is a bullshit phrase made up by leftists who know nothing about guns, regulating them strictly by a combination of semi-auto and aesthetics.
These are the ignorant fools trying to ban them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAeI7rTjJMQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxtu228bYFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSeiuEeQzK0
Came back to 420chan after several years of not really doing much at all on messageboards. Have to say I'm fairly disappointed that there are so many people sheeped up by the dems.
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Wesley Hettingforth - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 22:34:33 EST wFK2Hm63 No.180916 Reply
>>180913
The 2nd amendment guarantees the right to bear arms that parody those of the military.

The AR-15 was made to be just different enough from the M-16 that it wasn't a "military" grade weapon to fit into laws that are technically unconstitutional and the gun should technically be illegal on those grounds alone. Following the letter of that law sporting rifles and derringers should be illegal as well and the whole "I use my guns to hunt" argument goes out the window. There are a shit load of contradictions. It's a 300 year old document written by a bunch of slave owning British traitors with wood teeth and syphilis, it's funny so many people are conditioned to treat it as infallible gospel.
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Doris Chunkinspear - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 00:59:22 EST GESGRIqc No.180917 Reply
>>180913
Fuck off. At least you just cemented that fact that you're the alt-right dumbshit that was mentioned in >>180803
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Ian Cirryworth - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 06:45:54 EST gjEAcvaM No.180919 Reply
>>180913
Gun ownership, that is, the number of people who could own guns, increased under Obama. Whereas under Trump, if they think you've got a bump stock they can kick in your door in the middle of the night. Just admit that you are driven by fear and racism, and leave this place.
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William Faddlenure - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:03:01 EST g+vb2gyp No.180921 Reply
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>>180913
>"Assault weapons" is a bullshit phrase made up by leftists who know nothing about guns, regulating them strictly by a combination of semi-auto and aesthetics.
Liberals != leftists.
There's a reason republicans and democrats have no trouble coming together to pass gun control whenever the left arms itself.
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Wesley Nicklelock - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 12:59:40 EST DnQ32w8b No.180922 Reply
I think I have an angel looking out for me that makes sure i dont sound so stupid all the time.
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Wesley Nicklelock - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:01:44 EST DnQ32w8b No.180923 Reply
>>180912
what the...

im sorry im a democrat mah bad. and you're definitely older than me
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Wesley Nicklelock - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:05:43 EST DnQ32w8b No.180924 Reply
>>180912
im so confused by this post. lol im so confused by everyone who has responded to me. the entire point is that i came here while drunk and didnt see anybody posting about the impeachment hearings. I didn't even see that it had it's own thread. i dont understand why you're making it seem like i'm something im not. you can see that the only views ive expressed are that i thought nobody was talking about something important
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Wesley Nicklelock - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:07:57 EST DnQ32w8b No.180925 Reply
btw you have a literal alt-right shitbag posting so i dont understand why you're made at me even though i support bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and basically any of the democratic nominees because im not a self-defeatist idiot who will abstain from voting just because i dont get exactly the candidate i want
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Wesley Nicklelock - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:15:07 EST DnQ32w8b No.180926 Reply
i think any democrat who is seriously considering not supporting joe biden to the point that they wont vote for him is a completely ignorant loser and a conspiracy addled buffoon who can't think about anybody but themselves and suffers from so much self-importance that they'd rather make the wrong decision than to compromise, solely out of spite. I think a lot of you are the same idiots who didn't vote for Hillary even though she's been completely cleared of wrong doing by REPUBLICAN senators in her emails.
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Jarvis Nenningstad - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:16:23 EST pnRU07cP No.180927 Reply
>>180926
First off the popular vote doesn't matter. I don't know how many times we have to have presidents that lose the popular vote before people realize we live in a representative democracy and the electoral college is a thing.

Second, people blindly supporting oligarchical ghouls even when they are slipping into dementia before our very eyes because they wear a color tie we've been conditioned to identify as the cornerstone to who we are as people is a depressing reality that has been happening and will continue to. You can go to literally any other place online and be part of that. I'm voting for Dick Gregory.
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Wesley Nicklelock - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:29:16 EST DnQ32w8b No.180929 Reply
>>180927
How brave of you. Do you realize that impact of Trump's presidency will live on in the judges he's elected during his tenure. He has appointed almost as many judges in his first three years than president obama appointed during his entire two terms. You obviously don't care more about the individual person rather than whether one side's policies will be better for the country, and they will be better simply by virtue of what party they are, that's just reality right now. It will be much harder to have an election between a progressive and an "oligarchical democrat" next election if you keep choosing to have our elections between absolutely disgustingly impeachable wrong and "oh but i think she's tied to wallstreet" wrong. You fail to even understand the nature of progression and time, and you so you vote for a thing that is obviously wrong. Your black-and-white voting is the anti-thesis to everything you pretend to be supporting.

Also, I'm not discussing the electoral college. I am in support of whichever democratic candidate will have the best chance of appealing to those states that do matter during this election. Disagreeing with political strategy is different than disagreeing with someone's views. I think some people have better views, but I recognize nuance and I can change how I vote in relation to how things are. I might decide that I want to support the candidate who has a better chance of actually winning, during this election cycle.
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Wesley Hettingforth - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:24:42 EST wFK2Hm63 No.180931 Reply
>>180929
It's all up to the people we elected in 2018 whether or not Trump will get a second term. Again, the popular vote counts for nothing and it's out of our hands at this point. The Democratic primaries were demonstrably rigged last time, were probably rigged in prior elections and will most likely be rigged this year. I have a feeling we may even see a Bloomberg run which is just further advancement of corporate interests and more people hurt. Instead of having detainment camps run by private corporations full of illegal aliens they'll be full of "undocumented immigrants" subject to the same conditions while the people that made the resolution to change the wording are patted on the back for being progressive and republicans act like it's the first step to white slavery.

It's a shitty act put on to bambozle rubes that's poorly written, stale and starting to repeat ideas. If they were grifting 3 card monty it would just be the same 2 people switching places between the dealer and the stranger while a crowd who watched them play both parts several times over kept playing and losing but kept justifying throwing more money at them both because one of them keeps winning and it's a new dealer.
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Ebenezer Wezzleshit - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 09:45:12 EST EfnSF8dn No.180954 Reply
>>180931
Just get rid of Trump and everybody will be better off.
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Fuck Murdfuck - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:37:12 EST PtXXPh1g No.180994 Reply
>>180785
>>Dem ebil corporations

Dangit bobby who came into our town and built all these damn roads, infrastructure and skyscrapers.
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Priscilla Noffingford - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 20:01:44 EST fxZPTs+O No.180998 Reply
>>180994
The government, the government, and real estate developers.
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Shitting Sarringbanks - Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:59:49 EST 0efU+AU5 No.181003 Reply
So how about that weed guys?
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Ian Pashwut - Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:41:41 EST 4Elu+tp8 No.181011 Reply
>>180899
Why the fuck would you need R&D for weed?

It's a plant that's been around for thousands of years, already does what we want, and we've already created thousands of different strains and growing techniques without the hassle of patents and wasted resources on executive overhead. You are asking to invite the devil into our garden to solve a problem that does not exist.

The amount of delusional technocratic liberalism Kool-Aid you would have to drink in order to think in these terms, astounding.
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Ebenezer Clocklebury - Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:42:42 EST /7uFInDu No.181012 Reply
>>180916
The AR-15 was invented before the M16, numbnuts. The NFA only regulates based on selective fire, caliber higher than .50 and length.
>>180917
Different guy. Why don't you fuck off? Alt-right is such a retarded term. I'm more of a libertarian who personally favors traditional ideals.
>>180919
The number of people buying them went up under Obama because they remembered the Clinton bans and were trying to be prepared for a repeat, or profit off of the price jump. Not a Trump fan, but the bump stock ban was most likely a trade off for cooperation from the Dems. Weird how I didn't say anything about race, but here you are, saying I'm driven by racism. Got some kind of obsession?
>>180921
The black panthers are such a shitty example. They were not heroes, they were as bad as the people they fought, if not worse than most of them.
https://www.trackingterrorism.org/group/black-panthers
That said, the Mulford Act was the result of fear. I can think of a couple of incidents when police were shot during traffic stops.
You guys sure do have one big circlejerk echo chamber going here don't you?
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Ernest Dapperstock - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:21:52 EST E2Yofruj No.181069 Reply
>>181011
>Why the fuck would you need R&D for weed?
Who needs LED grow lights, supercritical co2 extraction, bubble-hash, cnc machined alu grinders. Go to a visit cannabis trade show some time.

>The amount of delusional technocratic liberalism Kool-Aid you would have to drink in order to think in these terms, astounding.
Wow I didn't think to get this kind of response to that, if you care to notice the context it was meant as a tongue in cheek comment.
The point is however: What If a fortune 500 company starts to take interest in legal weed?
I don't think any legislation is going to prevent that short of outright demanding a cannabis club / non-commercial model.
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Frederick Cennerstedging - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:42:54 EST +8irr0Qf No.181071 Reply
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>>181069
He is literal scooter driving boomer redneck. See his other posts. How he got here from Drudge or breitshit or Fox or wherever is truly the mystery.
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Beatrice Pubbernire - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:25:38 EST /7uFInDu No.181073 Reply
>>181071
Looks like I made you mad, because that post wasnt even a reply to one of mine. I dont get into of any news channels or blogs like that. Used to enjoy vice a few years back but it went downhill around 2012 or so.
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Martha Buzzford - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:46:49 EST uJ1UMTRI No.181084 Reply
>>180785
This might be an unpopular opinion but weed should probably have an age-limit of 25 or so. We know that smoking while the brain is developing is bad (ditto ethanol) but after that there is just a microscopic chance of triggering a psychotic episode really. It should probably be encouraged for most elderly though.
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Henry Brubblefoot - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 19:55:08 EST GW1axdWk No.181085 Reply
>>181071
Fox News watching Boomers are not agreeing with Bernie about keeping corporate control out of legal weed, how could you even begin to think that?

They want to keep weed illegal, and if it has to become legal they would absolutely want big business "job creator" corporations to take it over like they want them to do with everything else.

What is even wrong with your brain that you would make that kind of connection?
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Polly Monningwin - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 10:21:20 EST +8irr0Qf No.181099 Reply
>>181085
He's lying. They are pathological liars. They don't believe most of what they say but expect you being dumb enough to believe their lies.
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Henry Brubblefoot - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 10:49:28 EST GW1axdWk No.181102 Reply
>>181099
What would a Fox News Boomer have to gain by saying that weed should be legal and corporations shouldn't have oligopoly control over it? What would they gain by promoting the ideas of their ideological opposite?

Even if they did have some motivation for doing that, it's still an obviously true statement and something that I would think 420chan would agree with.

Are you well, my man? You seem to be getting mentally worse by the day.
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Clara Doppergold - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 11:23:56 EST fxZPTs+O No.181103 Reply
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>>180874
>murderers like Castro

The Cuban Communist Party under the leadership of Fidel is responsible for saving hundreds of thousands of lives in Cuba alone through the provision of free medical care, free education, and free housing to everyone on the island. The Cuban Communist Party today can boast that the only political prisoners on the island are in GITMO, an illegal prison camp run by the United States.

Today, Cuba - despite enormous material poverty made worse by the US blockade of the island - features a life expectancy at birth three years higher than the state of Louisiana's, eight years higher than Mississippi. This is, in large part, due to the fact that medical care is free on the island, while here your life depends on your submission to a boss, or like you say:
>working with companies that provide HC as a benefit if they don't want to budget the amount needed

The thing of it is, you want people to be dependent on their bosses. You want serfdom, literal serfdom, not Hayekian "dependence on anyone but myself as a private property owner is serfdom". Employer-provided health insurance holds people hostage, it's a form of discipline imposed on the working class to keep them in line at work, because people whose health insurance is provided by the capitalist class on condition of indefinite exploitation (as long as the capitalist class is willing to provide those jobs) are in a far more precarious position than people who get healthcare provided through efficient, scientifically-managed public institutions.

>A 10-12% increase for people making under 70k per year is enough for me

That's a flat lie and I'm not at all surprised you would be claiming this. For people who pay premiums even through employer-provided health insurance (it's extremely rare for people's job to pay their premiums for them), Bernie's Medicare for All plan would reduce individual costs. If we factor in cartel busting (i.e. nationalizing pharmaceutical companies or subjecting them to international competition), prices could go down even further. But you don't want that, you want the total domination of corporate power over your everyday life. Suck that boot down, cuccboi.
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Ebenezer Shakebury - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 14:11:33 EST L3zo7DjP No.181105 Reply
>>181071
>See his other posts
He doesn't appear to have any? Take your meds, dude.

>>181012
>They were not heroes, they were as bad as the people they fought, if not worse than most of them.
You would have to be a complete psycho or an ahistorical liar to think that:
https://www.history.com/news/free-school-breakfast-black-panther-party
>Free Breakfast For School Children was one of the most effective. It began in January 1969 at an Episcopal church in Oakland, and within weeks it went from feeding a handful of kids to hundreds. The program was simple: party members and volunteers went to local grocery stores to solicit donations, consulted with nutritionists on healthful breakfast options for children, and prepared and served the food free of charge.

>School officials immediately reported results in kids who had free breakfast before school. “The school principal came down and told us how different the children were,” Ruth Beckford, a parishioner who helped with the program, said later. “They weren’t falling asleep in class, they weren’t crying with stomach cramps.”
>Soon, the program had been embraced by party outposts nationwide. At its peak, the Black Panther Party fed thousands of children per day in at least 45 programs. (Food wasn’t the only part of the BPP’s social programs; they expanded to cover everything from free medical clinics to community ambulance services and legal clinics.)

>Free food seemed relatively innocuous, but not to FBI head J. Edgar Hoover, who loathed the Black Panther Party and declared war against them in 1969. He called the program “potentially the greatest threat to efforts by authorities to neutralize the BPP and destroy what it stands for,” and gave carte blanche to law enforcement to destroy it.

>The results were swift and devastating. FBI agents went door-to-door in cities like Richmond, Virginia, telling parents that BPP members would teach their children racism. In San Francisco, writes historian Franziska Meister, parents were told the food was infected with venereal disease; sites in Oakland and Baltimore were raided by officers who harassed BPP members in front of terrified children, and participating children were photographed by Chicago police.

>“The night before [the first breakfast program in Chicago] was supposed to open,” a female Panther told historian Nik Heynan, “the Chicago police broke into the church and mashed up all the food and urinated on it.”
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Sophie Clummlemid - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 05:50:31 EST feGPeITR No.181136 Reply
Reminder that Vietnam is the 34th richest country in the world. I bet you guys don't talk about that huh? You remember Vietnam right? That one Communist country America tried and failed spectacularly at destroying?

Communist Vietnam today has a higher GDP than Austria, the Czech Republic, the United Arab Emirates, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Ireland and Chile to name a few
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
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Thomas Drollylen - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:52:50 EST N1GZvlz2 No.181137 Reply
>>181136
What's your point, comrade?
>Cuba exports doctors too
Yeah, please don't drop redpills like this. You don't gain anything by redpilling everyone everywhere.
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Archie Sonnerstock - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:37:46 EST vJzt15Nj No.181145 Reply
>>181136
GDP isn't shit and you're spouting basic bitch economics,

GDP per head is a better measure of a country. Having a shitload of people living in misery and saying that means you're a great place is bullshit. Having the people in your laws and borders doing well is better.

The real measure of a country is HDI though. Ideally inequality adjusted. Viet Nam is 116th in the world. It sits with such titans as South Africa and Indonesia. Which is to say it's not a hellhole but it's hardly a great place to live. Norway is 1st and basically shits on your country unless you're Isahn or something. Switzerland is 2nd, Ireland is 4th and Sweden is 7th. This measures life expectancy, healthy, income equality, literacy all the stuff that matters. India which has vastly more money than Viet Nam sits at 160th though so it could be worse.

It's not all gloom. When you look at GDP per head, which essentially measures the resources per person compared to HDI, the outcomes you achieve some countries definitely stand out as under or over achievers. The overall best achievers tend to be countries who don't think socialism is a dirty word but also actually let people have money
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Sophie Hucklechen - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 20:58:28 EST +8irr0Qf No.181150 Reply
Link clearly is PPP not gross domestic GDP. Having many oligarchs as not mean shit. It is modern country that takes care of people. Cuba also take care of people but slightly less modern.

Good point reminded is, countries managing better even with world worst superpower trying to destroy them for many decade.
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Charlotte Clamblefuck - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:57:32 EST qPbFZDTy No.181164 Reply
>>180785
Bernie is so cool. I hope I get to vote for him.
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Sidney Trotville - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:06:35 EST Dg4SuPXx No.181165 Reply
>>181164
imagine living in a "democracy" where you have to hope to get lucky to be allowed to vote for you who want
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Jack Drashhit - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 04:58:16 EST uJ1UMTRI No.181193 Reply
>>181165
FPTP-systems are often like that. Still a democracy but imho not a very good one.
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Cyril Dobberwack - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:31:30 EST EfnSF8dn No.181196 Reply
>>181165
Imagine having no idea how most democracies work, retard.
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Charles Nickleway - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 12:43:15 EST fxZPTs+O No.181197 Reply
>>181196
In Yurop you vote for a party-list based on a party's political platform. The American system is an archaism deliberately designed to circumvent democracy that we blindly keep in place out of deference to the people who drafted the Constitution, who by and large didn't even like the document that much.
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Martin Gunninglick - Sun, 01 Dec 2019 14:14:18 EST 8c32w9KN No.181216 Reply
>>181197
>In Yurop you vote for a party-list based on a party's political platform
With regards to executive branch elections, the issue is that someone like Warren and someone like Biden are in the same party in the first place despite having very different platforms. Why is that? If either one would break into a third party, they would be entitled to none of the money entitled to candidates of parties big enough (only the Dems and Republicans meet this threshold currently. Green and libertarian parties aren't really close), nor would they have access to the infrastructure of the well established Democratic party.

These issues could be addressed, but the leaders of the two parties are not interested in giving up this power.

I think what you're talking about relates better to legislative branch voting and could really make gerrymandering less impactful.
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Isabella Muttingshaw - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 13:30:59 EST uJ1UMTRI No.181237 Reply
>>181197
Tell that to the Brits. Literally no two democratic systems in Europe are exactly alike, and beyond really. Nor have they exactly been constant throughout history. There is no real one right way to do it. Currently many developed countries consider the American system more a warning rather than a role model though.
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Hannah Sidgefuck - Thu, 05 Dec 2019 02:29:56 EST UkAw4aUW No.181273 Reply
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Bernie gonna be Potus?
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Augustus Cloblingkare - Thu, 05 Dec 2019 20:37:56 EST g+vb2gyp No.181293 Reply
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>>181216
>the issue is that someone like Warren and someone like Biden are in the same party in the first place despite having very different platforms.
They're less dissimilar than Tony Blair and Corbyn.
Warren's plans are populist policies that have been intentionally gimped to avoid scaring the capitalist class and their media, dissipating the popular energy pushing for those policies without actually giving anything to the working class.

In practice, a Warren presidency wouldn't look much different than a Biden presidency or even an Obama pt III.
Warren will make a show of trying to pass popular policies, then pass means-tested unenforced bullshit that will get rolled the year after her term ends, if she doesn't simply capitulate to the right-wing of the democratic party and pass rebranded republican policies.
Biden will simply capitulate and pass right-wing policies and call it Bipartisanship.

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