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Canadian police raid indigenous activists protecting their land against oil pipeline

- Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:18:32 EST JXHvnBHd No.182657
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>Canadian police have made a series of arrests in northern British Columbia as they enforced a court injunction to remove activists who have been blocking the construction of a controversial natural gas pipeline on Indigenous territory.

>“It’s a whole damn army up there,” Wet’suwet’en hereditary chief Woos told CBC News as word of the arrests spread. “They’ve got guns on, they’ve got tactical gear on. They look like they’re ready for war.”

>Police previously raided the Gitimd’en checkpoint in January 2019, arresting 14 activists.

>Documents from that raid uncovered by the Guardian suggested that officers were prepared to use lethal force against activists, prompting fierce debate over police tactics. The RCMP have denied they were prepared to shoot protesters.

>According to Ricochet, the RCMP expanded its "exclusion zone" Saturday, taking control of most of the territory of the Gidimt'en, one of the five clans of the Wet'suwet'en.

>"The exclusion zone has been created by the RCMP to force Wet'suwet'en land defenders off our land," the Unist'ot'en Camp said in a statement. "It is a colonial and criminalizing tool to illegally and arbitrarily extend RCMP authority onto our lands. The massive exclusion zone, completely under RCMP authoritarian discretion, falls outside the injunction area. Chiefs and Wet'suwet'en people are illegally being denied access to their own territories."

>While protesters have rightly condemned the RCMP actions, they (and the corporate media) have largely overlooked the role of a major player in this whole debacle: Wall Street titan Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co., better known as KKR.

>On December 26, 2019 KKR announced the signing of a “definitive agreement” to acquire – along with Alberta Investment Management Corporation (AIMCo) – a 65 percent equity interest in the Coastal GasLink Pipeline Project from TC Energy.

>Only days later, on December 31, a B.C. Supreme Court judge extended an injunction to stop Wet’suwet’en members from blocking access to Coastal GasLink’s work camp. The injunction will reportedly be operative until the pipeline project is completed.

>A major anti-pipeline struggle continues in Canada, where protests have broken out across the country in solidarity with Wet’suwet’en land defenders whose sovereign land in northern British Columbia was raided last week and over the weekend by Canadian police. Dozens were arrested in the days-long raid of unceded indigenous territories, where hereditary chiefs have been in a protracted battle to protect their land from the construction of TransCanada’s 400-mile, $4.7 billion Coastal GasLink pipeline. The raids took place about 700 miles north of Vancouver and sparked outrage across the country. In Ontario, a Mohawk solidarity protest has shut down the Canadian National Railway for days, halting travel for tens of thousands of passengers. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called for a quick resolution to the protests on Wednesday. In New York, protesters on Wednesday gathered for a sit-in outside the United Nations headquarters in solidarity with Wet’suwet’en land defenders.
Lydia Hickleked - Thu, 13 Feb 2020 19:16:49 EST Dg4SuPXx No.182662 Reply
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the latest big update in this is that solidarity protests have shut down several major west coast ports and closed the rail link from Ontario to Quebec

Quebec and the Maritimes rely on propane shipments from the west for winter heating, so this is a major thumb on the jugular of the Canadian economy, and is likely to force an actual government response

It's also important to mention for clarity, first nations in Canada to a degree have self government and sovereignty, but the hereditary chiefs do not have political power, there are elected band governments who actually run their territories
This pipeline was cleared by the legal authorities and first nations governments of every interested party, who signed agreements with the corporations involved with promises of infrastructure and jobs, there's ongoing debate and soul searching within first nations communities over who genuinely represents them and how to balance economic development and with environmental protection and traditional sovereignty. It's not just a white vs red canada neo-colonial black and white debate.

That said, the RCMP are one of white canada's neo-colonial tools and it's very blatantly exposed when they do something like this like moving in snipers to occupy people's lands to allow resource extraction to go on unmolested, it's emblematic of Canada's smug faux progressive attitude towards both indigenous people and the environment, lip service at best, more commonly blank indifference, and when push comes to shove unrestricted violence and authoritarianism when it comes to what REALLY matters, money and land.
This is the last nail in reconciliation's coffin, at least in its current form.
Sophie Bindermack - Fri, 14 Feb 2020 17:44:02 EST tTnap6yB No.182680 Reply
Why now? They've been blocking for years.
David Nengerbury - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 23:13:42 EST 40pbmk0m No.182832 Reply
How much oil do Canadians have?
Betsy Sirringbock - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 00:56:33 EST lLlxhONa No.182833 Reply
probably a lot, but it's shale oil, not nearly as profitable as oil in the middle east or anywhere offshore, so it really only makes sense to drill when oil prices are up
Hamilton Nellystone - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 02:07:27 EST pjSfU+g+ No.182834 Reply
Its not oil, its gas to be fair, but in pratice its the same. There's a massive glut, and some people are convinced that the 200-300 a barrel days are coming back just around the corner.
James Chimblefig - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 07:43:31 EST uvFBTWv6 No.182838 Reply
The price of oil is driven by speculation and nothing else, and then only on the price of oil.
Ebenezer Cicklestock - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 12:03:47 EST Dg4SuPXx No.182841 Reply
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The third most in the world by proven reserves, but it's mostly low quality oil sands that like Betsy said aren't as profitable as crude.
More importantly our infrastructure for it is all north-south instead of east west, Alberta's only export route is through pipelines that bottleneck in North Dakota which has its own fracking boom, and no choice but to sell to American refineries at a deflated price.

That's why this and a lot of other pipeline politics have been dominating Canadian politics for years, refineries in the east where all the domestic demand for energy is import from Saudi Arabia, and there's a single 70 year old route for domestic production to be shipped out of our own ports to hit international markets. Alberta is desperate for new pipelines to help with this because their economy got stuck in the resource trap, but the general public opinion in BC and the east is that climate change is far more important and expanding fossil fuel production and exports is negligent or morally wrong.
Hamilton Nellystone - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 12:33:36 EST pjSfU+g+ No.182842 Reply
>Alberta is desperate for new pipelines to help with this because their economy got stuck in the resource trap, but the general public opinion in BC and the east is that climate change is far more important and expanding fossil fuel production and exports is negligent or morally wrong.

Thus birthing the the newest wave of Alberta separation. Because being its own country is sure gonna get those pipeline agreements out easier.
Ebenezer Cicklestock - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 14:12:54 EST Dg4SuPXx No.182845 Reply
it's just a political game, they're doing the Quebec thing of making empty threats about separatism while blaming the feds for destroying confederation as a ploy to get more political power and economic handouts

it's working, Trudeu bought the Trans Mountain pipeline, appointed a deputy prime minister who's only mandate is to keep the west happy, and back when he was first elected reconciliation was at the core of his mandate but now he's sending the RCMP to invade first nations and tear down rail blockades and he's thrown the whole reconciliation thing away as a gesture to the oil patch.
Alice Worthingway - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 16:22:37 EST g+vb2gyp No.182846 Reply
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What do they call it?
Lillian Brookdock - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:35:34 EST aRAdhvmK No.182856 Reply
Why does nationalism discussion attract this kind of drooling idiot?
Frederick Purrygold - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:57:32 EST E2Yofruj No.182859 Reply
That picture does make me want to speculate which junctions we'd need occupy to shut down the entire network.
Ebenezer Grandman - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 21:45:21 EST qjzM0SZW No.182869 Reply
To be fair, you have to have a pretty low IQ to get the humor of nationalism
Simon Clungerdock - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:02:51 EST acqxi6pD No.182881 Reply
I stand with the Wet'suwet'en people. Fuck this shit.
Simon Clungerdock - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:08:43 EST acqxi6pD No.182882 Reply
Alberta fucking sucks too. I don't like the people I meet from their and they have been bitching lately because of their economy falling when they've had so much money for so fucking long. It's not the rest of Canadas fault that you retards can't budget your decades of oil money.

VIA Rail has shut down in protest and yesterday people in Vancouver have blockaded the ports which are HUGE for international imports and exports. Sometimes I'm so happy to live in Canada where people actually do shit like this without everyone yelling about communism n shit.
Cyril Bankinsone - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 17:26:35 EST 97vH+dx+ No.182883 Reply
I'm from AB and all the people who aren't into this bullshit end up leaving and there are less and less and less of us. everyone moved to BC :'(
Cyril Bankinsone - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 17:28:30 EST 97vH+dx+ No.182884 Reply
They call it #Wexit

I wouldn't advise looking up that hashtag unless you have some brain cells to kill off
Betsy Cudgefure - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 20:31:57 EST Y3JsGsvI No.182887 Reply

It's a shame because if they didn't all leave we'd probably have a provincial government that wouldn't steal from the elderly and severely disabled with such confidence. I won't lie, I voted for Kenney because I believed the NDP was careless with money and would herd us into debt ridden hell. I didn't do my research and now a Ren and Stimpy caricature is herding us into capitalist hell. Looks like another 3 years of greasing the greasiest palms, de funding education and medicare for the hope of resurrecting an oil industry Frankenstein's monster. I bet they'll win the next election too.
Cyril Pickforth - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:03:59 EST g+vb2gyp No.182893 Reply
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I looked up #Wexit, lots of concentrated dumb, angry, racism.
But none of them explained where the W comes from.
Wexit sounds like a wales leaving the UK, not fucking Alberta leaving Canada.

Alberta La Vista is right there.
Charles Gasslewater - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 14:18:22 EST pjSfU+g+ No.182899 Reply
My favorite thing is they insist on calling it Wexit, when if it happened, they'd still have more Canada to the west of them.
Phineas Gishridge - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:32:06 EST Dg4SuPXx No.182900 Reply
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some of them are deluded enough to think they'd take BC with them

latest on the crisis, the RCMP have offered to leave Wetsuweten territory to a nearby outpost if they are guaranteed the road won't be closed and pipeline work will continue unmolested, basically trying to make themselves look like the good guys by saying "we'll leave if you agree not to do what brought us here in the first place".

Ontario Provincial Police have shut down the Tyendinaga rail blockade and arrested protesters, triggering a fresh wave of solidarity protests and blockades across the country. The main rail link between Toronto and Montreal is open again, albeit surrounded by tire fires

pic is the Winnipeg RCMP headquarters right now
Ebenezer Clammlebodge - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:01:40 EST VhreT1nh No.182901 Reply
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Can we have Californexit please
Henry Brookville - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:15:00 EST /7uFInDu No.182905 Reply
Yes please, as long as Californians stop mass migrating to other states, and leave Texas. They've already ruined most Oregon and the big cities of Colorado.
Rebecca Grimman - Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:00:22 EST 4scaaRdR No.182906 Reply

they shit up AZ too. you can spot them with their valley girl style calypso and forced lisp
Rebecca Gobblebanks - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 00:33:20 EST quHOv7HG No.182909 Reply
Colorado-wise that was soo 80s. Colorado today is a destination from people from many states today. Like, I enjoy skying, hiking, my dogs, etc. kinda sums it up.
Shitting Bondlesark - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 00:47:23 EST 97vH+dx+ No.182910 Reply
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Releasing the caps on things was insane. My utilities bill was $400 this month and my car insurance went up $500. Just waiting on my email telling me tuition is gonna increase 7%, plus I might get laid off or have my wage cut

It’s just so fucking ridiculous. I hope you’re being very open with people about how you voted for UCP and they fucked you. People need to hear that.
Shitting Bondlesark - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 00:49:34 EST 97vH+dx+ No.182911 Reply
God the RCMP are some insufferable fucks arent they
Wesley Febblekick - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 01:06:23 EST pjSfU+g+ No.182912 Reply
>It’s just so fucking ridiculous. I hope you’re being very open with people about how you voted for UCP and they fucked you. People need to hear that.

Like it matters, they'll just say its big bad Trudeau's fault that oil prices are bellow profit levels (and set to get lower with the economic slowdown coming) and that things would be better if we could just start hunting the Indians again back in the good ol' days.
Fanny Mannerwire - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 02:13:06 EST VhreT1nh No.182913 Reply
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I've heard there's a mass exodus right now of Californians moving to Idaho, and that problems are already arising because naturally they refuse to leave California in fucking California, and want to turn Idaho into another wasteland that they'll probably leave in ruins once their politics are again proven to be a disaster. Then they'll go do the same shit somewhere else.
They're truly parasites.
George Dillerstone - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 02:24:24 EST wg1r+aQR No.182914 Reply
Idaho is a literal shithole and there's little that brings me as much joy as knowing how much it irritates you all like someone trying to teach a pig to dance as Californians attempt to being the concept of "civilization" to your shitty third world countries like Texas, Idaho, Oklahoma, Nee Mexico, and Nevada. I know you'll never be capable of adopting civilization but it sure is cute watching those rednecks bang rocks together and act like they're writing laws or inventing things or composing music.
Shitting Bondlesark - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 02:30:53 EST 97vH+dx+ No.182915 Reply
It does matter, they’ll never listen in a million years from an out group, but if you’re part of the in group they’ll actually take you seriously.
Fanny Mannerwire - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 02:57:45 EST VhreT1nh No.182916 Reply
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Civilization? California is a literal shithole, with the greatest homeless population of all the states by far, third world diseases coming back because its policies on the homeless are the worst in the nation (truly as close as you can get in USA to a third world country is the streets of places like Skid Row), people shitting in the streets everywhere, failed policies galore in every facet of government, draconian laws abound, collapsing communities, mass fraud from all the profiteers coming in to suckle the money pouring from your bleeding mortal wounds in ideology.

It's a complete fucking disaster, that's why there's a new mass exodus from the state every fucking year, not because Calitards give a shit about "enlightening rednecks to live like we do in knee-deep shit in Cali", but because you're tired of all your failures and want to escape the hellhole you've built for yourselves.

No, we do not want to be brought to ruins by your pseudo-enlightened fairytale ideas about how the world works. You can call everyone else rednecks all you want, all anyone has to do is just look at the current state of California to know your utterly full of shit when you say it's "civilization" compared to the rest of America.
Clara Bebblechadge - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 09:28:41 EST Dg4SuPXx No.182917 Reply
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if there was a just god he would have killed all the burgers years ago

god fags fuck off nobody cares go have your spastic culture wars on any other part of the internet you've already destroyed with them
Phineas Chivingmire - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:19:48 EST /7uFInDu No.182918 Reply
I still hear people in Colorado springs bitch about Californians, even for how they drive lol.
Well, Ive never seen anyone shit in the street here in my redneck state, but out in Los Angeles on the other hand....
Nathaniel Senninghin - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 13:00:48 EST Mjc0RlBl No.182919 Reply
it's not like most of those hobos were kicked out of nearby republican states once they realised it's illegal to just kill them.
Matilda Trotdock - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:05:46 EST pjSfU+g+ No.182925 Reply
>some of them are deluded enough to think they'd take BC with them

I mean, I dunno if its delusion, or they know they'd need a coast to have any chance. They'd have to split BC in half, since the north is far more sympathetic to Alberta then the south, and it'd be far easier to control.
Rebecca Meckleson - Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:47:38 EST Y3JsGsvI No.182926 Reply

> I hope you’re being very open with people about how you voted for UCP and they fucked you.

I am, and I encourage others to voice their issues withe the government head on. I called my MLA but she's one of the few leftover NDP people, so she's already on my side. I encourage any Albertan reading this that is unsatisfied with the way the province is being run to call their MLA and and tell them how upset you are, you can find their contact information here http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=mla_home.

If enough people get vocal it could very well make a change. Remember, the government is powerless without its populace. They supposed to work for us. If multi billion dollar oil companies don't have to pay their property tax, why should we?
William Claystock - Fri, 28 Feb 2020 09:09:47 EST /7uFInDu No.182941 Reply
Hobos? You mean crusties and heroin addicts? They go to Cali because they can do heroin and meth, and steal without worrying about being locked up for it.
William Dillywot - Fri, 28 Feb 2020 17:11:28 EST cs3pi0AK No.182947 Reply
>what conservatives actually believe about the homeless
Charlotte Dallygold - Fri, 28 Feb 2020 21:46:58 EST Y3JsGsvI No.182958 Reply

I thought that at first too, but the NDP took quite a few areas. almost all of Edmonton is NDP, with a few riding's in Calgary and one in Lethbridge.
Emma Grimfuck - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 17:34:31 EST /7uFInDu No.183018 Reply
From experience, yeah, most homeless people are in that position because of their own shitty decisions. Almost went there when I was a teenager. Fortunately changed paths. We have panhandlers here. Buddy offered one a job for 12.50/hr, way above minimum wage at the time. The dirty cocksucker said he made more money holding a sign on the ramp.
Even when I was in restaurant work, we had some that would park a van or sometimes a bmw, get their backpacks, and stand in their spots. Some people have bad luck and end up in a bad spot, but not most of them.
Hamilton Bunworth - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 18:21:56 EST tlilhxRg No.183019 Reply
Ah. Yes. Experience. Experience you had sucking faggot nazi cocks behind the backpages of stormfront's /pol/, right?
Fanny Hollyson - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 21:18:56 EST dZDaQqJv No.183022 Reply
You know most those people live in an apartment or trailer and they have a panhandler pimp that keeps them high and makes sure they're the only sign game on their off ramp/walmart exit in exchange for most the money they make that day, right?

Most homeless people don't do that shit. Interestingly there are a bunch of homeless full time employees at Disneyland in Anaheim. Working homelessness usually looks like living in rented sheds, hotels and cars. The fact that there is a working homeless class of people is proof of the system's failure.
Phoebe Bonkinhare - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 21:25:35 EST 5F3lmD0J No.183023 Reply
You know you're basically quoting verbatim the opinions of the Heritage Foundation? A think-tank designed to influence you into acting against your own self interests?
Molly Gissletat - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 21:31:15 EST Y3JsGsvI No.183024 Reply

I won't argue that some panhandlers are not actually needy and are just doing it for easy income. I've seen it myself. I also agree that some of them are there by their own actions. However a lot of them are mentally ill and are in poor control of their actions, or have no control whatsoever, without a support structure and medicine. When these people hit the street there's pretty much no way out. The only people in their lives are usually also mentally ill or homeless, or they prey on the mentally ill and homeless (pimps, dealers, etc.). I can't speak about the homeless wherever you live but here it's damn easy to tell the difference between a true homeless person and a white collar panhandler. The sunken cheeks, eyes that are somehow exhausted and wild at the same time, the hours of incoherent jabbering accompanied by occasional outbursts of violence, blatant drug use in plain sight. If that person is just putting on an act and hopping into a car to have dinner with his wife at the end of the day, well fuck me, I wouldn't know what to say.
James Clennerlock - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 06:02:28 EST OfMmIeoa No.183029 Reply
When the US was a free country, Americans could be kind, honest, and trusting, but living in a police state changes you.

No one wants to give to charities anymore because everybody is forced at gunpoint to pay high taxes that fund welfare.

No one trusts anyone because of wiretapping and you don't when someone works for the secret police.

Everything is illegal, but there is no of rule of law. The government can't arrest everyone because there are not enough prisons and no one calls the police. People in police states must lie, bribe, and look for loopholes to do anything. Men might dress as Muslim females to escape surveillance and change their gender on their driver licenses.

No has morals because there are no churches.

No one respects property because the state owns everything.

No one has children because what kind of life is this?
Matilda Dittingpuck - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 00:27:18 EST OfMmIeoa No.183040 Reply

Americans say tyranny is wonderful because the US has always been a police state, but what if the USA used to have freedom and lost it?

Even if the US never had freedom, does that mean liberty is bad?

Did the USA have curfews, NSA wiretapping, checkpoints, forfeiture, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, torture, kill lists, no fly lists, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, redlight cameras, license plate readers, and Jade Helm in 1980?

Did Americans have gun bans, business licenses, Social Security numbers, sales, income, or property taxes in 1890?

Were drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling, and prostitution illegal in 1880?
Esther Chozzledone - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 04:39:55 EST 5F3lmD0J No.183041 Reply
"The freedom to go to the edge of our pizzas"

Man those were the days. I was one of the CIA operatives in charge of Operation Sourdough, trying to reengineer the russian food supply to make it more like what we have back home: harmless enough to keep people alive, but still so toxic that the gen pop would be physiologically incapable of the kind of higher-order thinking required to resist the government's authority. We landed Pizza Hut and thought we would have subverted the entire food supply by mid-august. Boy were we wrong, but that's a story for another time. I produced that commercial (I'm the guy in the picture you posted).
Matilda Dittingpuck - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 07:45:50 EST OfMmIeoa No.183042 Reply
Americans scream tyranny makes you safer, but actually the police state actually increases danger.

Now instead of worrying about criminals, you also need to be avoid the Gestapo and terrorist bombings that are a response to tyranny.

Americans do not seem to understand that tyranny leads to having a dictator because everyone who is a danger is killed off.
Ernest Hiddleforth - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:12:36 EST 0NLJaFCt No.183046 Reply
>From experience
So like... Stuff you walk around and see. You don't actually have enough information to talk about this. At least you've admitted it in the first two words of your post. Nobody has to read the rest.
Hamilton Hunnerstone - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 20:48:49 EST OfMmIeoa No.183056 Reply
Your taxes pay for illegal immigrants, welfare, debt, war, curfews, gun bans, NSA wiretapping, checkpoints, forfeiture, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, torture, kill lists, no fly lists, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, and Jade Helm.
Charles Sizzlehall - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 20:05:48 EST Y3JsGsvI No.183133 Reply
This was an okay thread until it got hijacked by chinabots and anti USA shills. There's no shortage of places to piss and moan about America. Stop being so greedy, go back to your containment sites/threads and shit up those places.
Fanny Brecklesitch - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:38:35 EST vq6Ln0Og No.183336 Reply
Americans scream that there are
hundreds of free speech forums online,
but they never post links to them.
Doris Lightridge - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:42:42 EST uOFiF4yB No.183337 Reply
>From experience, yeah, most homeless people are in that position because
>of their own shitty decisions.

Many of these people are mentally ill.

>We have panhandlers here. Buddy offered one a job for 12.50/hr, way above minimum wage at the >time.

Would bet 'buddy' didn't really even make that his-self, right? I doubt buddy exists but if so was he sincere about offering a basic derelict employment.

In general, panhandlers barely make anything, enough for basic survival, some motivated for drugs alcohol. But their clothes are generally what they actually own. Their backpacks are what they own.

So in reality though you are saying, they make more money holding a sign, that isn't really such a shitty decision then is it. Especially if they can afford expensive cars.

I have a keen closeness to street life understanding. I would, still do make conversation with travelers, and homeless people. Some would be like true hobos who would ride the rails. They wouldn't have it any other way. Some like to be free, if-you-will. And prefer to live life on the streets
and could be happier doing so. Some are definite scumbags. Back when I was a teen, would have people say, hey share a few bucks, damn I'm a vietnam vet. Fighting to keep your *** kid punk ass
safe. Response: you aren't even close to be old enough to have served. Some would beg for $$
for food. They get food and just throw it on the ground. We were walking oce and had a place to live and could have used food, a pizza was on the sidewalk and obviously just thrown down. We saw this from a distance and realized when we came up and saw the guy who likely did it.

A guy, a young business guy, cool sounding dude said can you believe that, this guy
said he needed money for food and I offered to buy him a pizza, so I ordered him one and he asked for money after I gave him the pizza and said sorry. Then he got angry and there it sits, the pizza I
gave him. He said he wanted food. The guy said, that just made my day kinda less happy, when he threw the pizza on the ground. We said, yea we noticed what was happening. Sorry dude.

One has to be able to pick through the bullshitters. Simple fact, there are no people who became homeless who served in Iraq.
Wesley Billingham - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:20:03 EST Dg4SuPXx No.183340 Reply
I fucking hate people who make a big deal out of giving food to the homeless instead of money
I've been homeless off and on, I have celiac and a lot of other dietary issues, please there are no drugs I can actually buy for 2 dollars can you just give me the cash to go buy a tin of fucking beans instead of acting like you're doing me a favour by buying me some pizza I can't eat
John Noshbanks - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:37:27 EST dZDaQqJv No.183341 Reply
>Simple fact, there are no people who became homeless who served in Iraq.

A USMC veteran that was living out of his car and going through some shit got shot and killed by the police for appearing angry and driving erratically 4 months ago where I live. Even the head sheriff called it sketchy, his exact words.


Also, buying people food that are asking for money is nice but taking as a slight when he didn't gobble it down like tom hanks in cast away is a dick move. You don't know his situation and if you don't want to give money then don't.
Henry Pittwater - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 22:23:29 EST uOFiF4yB No.183342 Reply
Well, personally I hate when people complain about people panhandling, like "get a job you fucking slob" <Everlast tune. I personally will give money to people who drink. Whatever. If they got some kinda routine the better. If somebody says 'give me 3 bucks' out of nowhere, naw.

One guy was panhandling in front of a liquor store and I thought drugs, I said you are buying alchol with this right? I knew he was a crack head.

But he said yea, just getting enough and nodded to the store. He acted surprised that I asked him directly that he intended to buy alcohol while giving him a couple of bucks. Like a mutual condition that the money goes to alcohol. Well the store is closing pretty quick I said.

He kept bumming after the store closed. That kinda pissed me off. If he said he was buying, and said, well not alchol, ya know how it is sometimes,, I would have likely given him money. I regretted giving him money.

The pizza thing though, the man was going to buy pizza his-self. So it appeared the man asking for money to buy a slice of pizza was really only wanting pizza. This wasn't a I'll help you, 'conditionally' thing. The guy bumming money sounded like he just wanted a slice or two of pizza, so the guy was generous enough to give him an entire pizza.

At the time we were hungry, and looking at the fresh pizza on the sidewalk it was kinda a bummer

The guy got be known as a bad rap in the area and really the street or otherwise kinda pushed him out of the area for being such a freakin creep. This was not the first time he did the exact same thing.

Fun fact, some people I knew used to order a pizza from the store and knew that they would toss it in the dumpster if it wasn't picked up within a certain amount of time. Then retrieve it. Dumpster food. They knew the store well enough, who worked there, that it was safe food that the store would basically carefully place discarded food to be safe if somebody came across it. That is what the issue was with the guy tossing the pizza on the sidewalk. The store was always respected part of the city.

Yea, some people do not like to have their hand held to get assistance conditionally.

Some think, you can get food easily on the streets from churches and all that. Yes and no.
One church, made people sit through a church service, where there was a sign stating that
their policy was to never push religion on people to get a meal. That they should notify the
church director who handles the food program. This was pointed out to the man who said no
church servece, no food, if anybody doesn't like it they can walk out the door they came in at.

He said if people didn't pay attention nobody would get food. This caused friction all around.
So dude made everybody wait to start his service for like a half hour. He was very demeaning,
abusive to these people. Like they were trash and should feel as such. The food was horrible,
unfit. The time it took, safety issues of temperature storage I and others thought one was taking
a chance eating it. Then you have the people who pull up in vans who offer food to anybody,
regardless if they had money or was just simply passing by. Cool people. So save 5 bucks
eating pretty basic but well prepared and it was a good parking lot community meeting place.

Back to basics, some churches would give food vouchers, so people could get what worked best for them.
King Soopers, may know that as Kroger.
Clara Wopperchedge - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 22:44:41 EST /7uFInDu No.183343 Reply
>>183019 What? Is that what you're into?
>>183021 Sure. That I know it's true is enough for me, could care less if you believe it.
>>183022 I phrased it poorly, I should say panhandlers. Some people even get off on just living without a mortgage/rent.
>>183024 I've met 1 or 2 I felt sorry for, but having friends who are on meds for things like extreme anxiety and schizophrenia, where there's a will there's a way, and we have programs to help people out if they really care to try.
>>183046 Walk around and see? I was working on a crew for a while and went so far as bringing one of these guys into my home because I felt sorry for him and wanted to give him a chance. Boss did a lot to help him out, even gave him a car, I helped him get it registered and running, but when the guy chooses to drive off and pick up some retarded junkie blonde, he's made the proverbial bed he lies in.
>>183337 With that buddy's licensing and experience, it's hard to really say an hourly, it's more like by the job. He wouldn't get out of bed for less than $150 per day and when I worked for him he was probably doing $500/day after overhead. Work some construction labor and make friends with your coworkers or bosses.
Homeless vets vary. Some guys just like sleeping outside, some guys have mental illness going on, and some guys ended up on painkillers/heroin from injuries. Then there are some who just make shitty decisions and end up on the street because they like taking advantage of people.
Henry Pittwater - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 23:05:35 EST uOFiF4yB No.183344 Reply
>Simple fact, there are no people who became homeless who served in Iraq.
>A USMC veteran that was living out of his car and going through some shit got
>shot and killed by the police for appearing angry and driving erratically 4 months
>ago where I live. Even the head sheriff called it sketchy, his exact words.

Yea, I hear ya. Police can be very indifferent to the way they handle issues. vets. Maybe deliberate or not understanding. I used to hang out with Vietnam vets when I was a teenager. People do go through rough times. My grandpa was a pow for 4 years. Was likely tortured. He did become a
sheriff of his born and raised small town South Dakota. A very down to earth person. Some funny small town stories where everybody knows everybody but nobody took anything too seriously. The morning crop report, the diner, cars.

>Also, buying people food that are asking for money is nice but taking as a slight when he didn't >gobble it down like tom hanks in cast away is a dick move. You don't know his situation and if you >don't want to give money then don't.

Yea, some have reasons they would rather be left to get food on their terms. Many take it as maybe being somewhat indifferent. Many are also somewhat distrustful. In all I think people would rather get help with maybe a simple hand out, to then decide their own direction from there. Simple as that.

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