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- Sun, 29 Mar 2020 17:24:13 EST UfFqwfjP No.183718
File: 1585517053436.jpg -(104440B / 101.99KB, 1045x560) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Has China Cured Coronavirus?
The Chinese have had less than 500 new infections and only 45 death in the past week. Two weeks ago China was raging with disease and now they've got it almost completely cleared up. What are the Chinese doing differently that the rest of the world isn't? How can the west repeat China's success in controlling Coronavirus?
https://google.org/crisisresponse/covid19-map
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Doris Ballerdale - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 17:39:43 EST phBvcVkA No.183720 Reply
Wtf?

No, they haven't cured coronavirus, they've already had it. What are they doing differently? If you tell Chinese people to stay the fuck home they stay the fuck home pretty much. They don't call their own state governors traitors for enforcing curfews and stay-at-home orders and organize mass demonstrations at the football stadium to the point where the governor has to take you to court to shut you down.

You hear me, stroke victim? Stay out of Goiás, bitchboi. Caiado gonna give it to ya.
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Phyllis Nivingridge - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 20:11:19 EST NBp/Bb4Q No.183722 Reply
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>what is China doing differently than the rest of the world?
the CCP has lied and fudged numbers since the beginning.
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Angus Clennerstock - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 20:15:15 EST ZLdwD6aZ No.183723 Reply
>What are the Chinese doing differently that the rest of the world isn't?

Quarantining but not counting asymptomatic people.
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Matilda Dankinson - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:16:30 EST O/BUJHAn No.183725 Reply
China is clearly not successful. They're lying. They've been lying, they were lying when they imprisoned that doctor for "spreading rumors" when first reported, they are lying today
https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-hiding-covid-19-death-toll-21-million-cell-phones-disappeared-why-41580
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10856405/china-cremating-bodies-secret-hide-death-toll/
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnsons-government-reportedly-furious-with-china-2020-3
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1239245112733044736
https://tfipost.com/2020/03/the-communist-party-of-china-is-not-allowing-people-to-mourn-their-dead-in-a-bid-to-hide-coronavirus-death-toll/
https://tfipost.com/2020/03/40000-might-have-died-in-wuhan-only-due-to-coronavirus-we-are-not-saying-this-the-urns-of-the-dead-say/
https://www.epochtimes.com/gb/20/3/27/n11980618.htm

Also, this behavior is unacceptable
https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1238076579466674178
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/thailand-coronavirus-updates-chinese-woman-caught-spitting-all-over-in-an-attempt-to-spread-the-sars-cov-2-virus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKTBKab1y4A

Why does anyone believe anything Chinese government even says? Why are you all acting so stupid? We all should have shut our airports and borders to Chinese citizens immediately and not believed a word of their lying government officials.

>>183722
This

>>183723
In most Western and other countries just to get tested at all you need to either have traveled recently to Italy/Spain/China, or be part of some at risk group like elderly and made contact with sick people, or usually be running fever at least 104F/40C and have other symptoms like breathing difficulties. It is so hard being tested that it became minor scandal in Hollywood how testing rules are getting bent
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/28/nation/how-do-you-qualify-coronavirus-test-how-long-should-results-take-it-depends/

Even being tested usually means you ar emore severe case at this time. But, we know Chinese have lied since beginning anyway. They did not stop lying after SARS, they just became better liars.
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Phyllis Shittingville - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 22:02:53 EST E2Yofruj No.183728 Reply
I don't agree with the popular opinion that the number of infected people coming out of China is necessarily false.
There was an initial coverup to be sure and the CCP is totally at fault for both the initial spread inside China and the spread around the world.

If you look at the initial spread rate in China it closely matches the trajectory of infections now happening across the world. So at least these figures are somewhat in the ballpark of correct.
That leaves the recent numbers and those could only be fake if it was in fact contained but the number of infected people inside affected areas were way higher.
(For example the entirety of Wuhan infected, along with several million casualties)
But the current situation? Pretty certain that's somewhat under control.
Because if the virus had spread inside China with anything close to the natural spread rate the entire country would have been infected by now.
Also they are talking about re-opening schools, and you don't really do that if the infection still lingers even as a totalitarian dictatorship.
Because without any treatment at all during a total information repression the fatality rate of the thing could be as high as 20%.

tl;dr the nature of the virus makes any scenario that doesn't involve any form of containment in China not plausible.
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Rebecca Brecklebury - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 22:03:51 EST IWGXHLVJ No.183729 Reply
>>183725
When you hear someone post a spicy take, always ask, how many people would have to be lying for this to be true? If the answer is in the hundreds of thousands, it's obvious bullshit.
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Phyllis Shittingville - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 22:48:18 EST E2Yofruj No.183731 Reply
>>183729
While I agree on the premise that if it requires 100K+ people lying it's bullshit coverups work by a handful of people lying and the rest shutting the fuck up / do as they're told.
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Phoebe Bovingfat - Mon, 30 Mar 2020 03:24:52 EST fxZPTs+O No.183738 Reply
>>183731
Cover ups don't stay covered up especially when millions of eyes are watching. If China is lying about its number, this will be revealed. But what's more plausible, Western media is lying about China, or hundreds of thousands of people are staying quiet about a cover up they're privy to which would have implications for millions of people and potentially even loved ones, in light of the fact that the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China is willing to punish party members who engage in cover ups? Unless you're implying the Central Committee is ordering the coverup, in which case I must imagine you think they're cartoon villains and not rational political actors.
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Phyllis Shittingville - Mon, 30 Mar 2020 04:50:31 EST E2Yofruj No.183739 Reply
>>183738
>Unless you're implying the Central Committee is ordering the coverup, in which case I must imagine you think they're cartoon villains and not rational political actors.
From what I've learned about the CCP the figures and dynamics are as close to actual cartoon villains as reality permits.
Any way it doesn't have to be ordered from the highest echelons. The way these things usually work is that the lower ranks obey & stfu and the higher ranks ignore & silently approve.

A recent example that's still related is the conspiracy theory that the us navy introduced the virus in china currently circulating in chinese social media:
While I doubt that any higher up CCP official had anything to do with coming up with it, normally these things are quickly censored. Not in this case however.
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Rebecca Brecklebury - Mon, 30 Mar 2020 06:54:07 EST IWGXHLVJ No.183741 Reply
>>183739
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>183738
>Cover ups don't stay covered up especially when millions of eyes are watching.
And the thousands of international observers, don't forget. They're ALL lying.
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Angus Clennerstock - Mon, 30 Mar 2020 06:59:48 EST ZLdwD6aZ No.183743 Reply
>>183739
>normally these things are quickly censored.

I don't think that's true. I don't think you have any experience or familiarity with Chinese social media or censorship.
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Esther Cremmerput - Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:14:40 EST UfFqwfjP No.183744 Reply
>>183738
mao effectively covered up the chinese famines under his watch and nobody found out about it until a long time after the fact.
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Phyllis Shittingville - Mon, 30 Mar 2020 10:18:35 EST E2Yofruj No.183749 Reply
>>183743
Only second hand, I watch ADVChina on youtube.
Do you have any personal familiarity with Chinese social media?

I wonder did the guys in the office finally decide 420chan needs to have genuine wumaos not just bots?
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Beatrice Pimmerpot - Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:13:49 EST odEWg5xh No.183751 Reply
>>183749
A person posts these. I know that's true for the simple fact that in China it would be cheaper to pay someone to do it than to pay someone to program a bot to do it for you. These comments go up on dozens of sites. You could either find someone like Cottle and give him a bunch of money to program a bot, or you can pay some kid a dollar an hour he's happy to have in order to shit post, which leagues of American children already do for free.
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Angus Clennerstock - Mon, 30 Mar 2020 12:09:05 EST ZLdwD6aZ No.183758 Reply
>>183749
A bit, but that's neither here nor there. I'm not the one talking out of my ass after watching some Youtube videos. You're like a kid who saw a kung fu movie and walks away thinking he's hot shit except you think you have a working understanding of what passes for normal on the other side of the world in a country you have zero interaction with. You don't.

I would happily shitpost for minimum wage.
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Thomas Sisslewater - Mon, 30 Mar 2020 21:48:35 EST UhHJHO4u No.183770 Reply
>>183751

Aren't they worried we're going to counter-program them with decadent western memes?
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Fucking Hingerfutch - Tue, 31 Mar 2020 01:12:17 EST fxZPTs+O No.183771 Reply
>What are the Chinese doing differently that the rest of the world isn't?

Mass testing, tracing, and enforcing quarantined/isolation. It's that fucking simple.
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Isabella Hommerson - Tue, 31 Mar 2020 08:22:42 EST RgHb/3eW No.183781 Reply
>>183718
They have been lying since the start

Like they did in 04, like they do every fucking time

I hope Xi gets eaten by rats
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Charles Drusslewater - Tue, 31 Mar 2020 08:35:31 EST IrTQN3Av No.183782 Reply
>>183771

This, this is why i think china has it under control but that being said, is the death toll higher then said? I think so, surely i do. I think the issue was that there was a time when test kits weren't around as much as they needed so they just assumed that people with certain symptoms had the virus but when some of those people lost their life to the disease, it would not get added to the statistics
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Nicholas Drogglefuck - Tue, 31 Mar 2020 10:40:33 EST odEWg5xh No.183787 Reply
>>183781
>They have been lying since the start
>>183782
>is the death toll higher then said? I think so, surely i do.
My propaganda machine goes TAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATAKA
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Eugene Grandwill - Tue, 31 Mar 2020 12:25:34 EST vJzt15Nj No.183789 Reply
>>183718
Everyone is lying or under representing their figures. They're under testing or just not testing mild cases unless they're someone rich that sort of thing.

China have slowed it down because they're 2 months ahead of everyone else in reaction and control. They aren't doing anything different, they've just had longer to do it.

Though the people are more willing to follow authority and less willing to flaunt rules too. For better and worse.
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Martha Tootway - Tue, 31 Mar 2020 18:49:59 EST E2Yofruj No.183806 Reply
>>183795
Stop making that point. I debunked it 2 times already.
For a third time: Coverups do not need everyone up and down the chain to be lying.
The lower ranks do as they're told and the higher ranks ignore it.
This does not mean batshit insane conspiracy theories ala Alex Jones have merit.
But it also does not mean no large scale coverup is possible because for the last time most people aren't actively lying.
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Priscilla Mobbleworth - Tue, 31 Mar 2020 21:37:15 EST vVzh/0Aw No.183807 Reply
>>183806
>Stop making that point. I debunked it 2 times already.
>For a third time: Coverups do not need everyone up and down the chain to be lying.
Just to be clear, are the thousands of international observers all over China lying too?
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Barnaby Blatherworth - Tue, 31 Mar 2020 23:05:18 EST E2Yofruj No.183808 Reply
>>183807
Which observers? Your masters booted them out.
The ones that are left easily fall under the "do what they are told" category.
And they won't be able to report on it anyway because it's basically "no foreigners of any kind allowed" in something like 90% of China.
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Jenny Chankinstock - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 02:10:31 EST fxZPTs+O No.183811 Reply
>>183806
>The lower ranks do as they're told and the higher ranks ignore it.

Hundreds of thousands of underlings just doing as they were told. C'mon. Use Occam's razor here.

>>183744
>mao effectively covered up the chinese famines under his watch

Lol no he did not. Let me tell you why that's bullshit.

1) China's own reported statistics are enough to signal millions of death occurring during famine events (like a spike in the officially reported death rate during the Great Leap Forward years).

2) China's Communist Party is highly decentralized, and much of the GLF violence was perpetrated by mid-level party chiefs, not under the direct orders of Mao or the central committee. Mao was not running around covering things up, more often than not mid-level chiefs were covering things up before Mao or the central committee could find out about them. And if you look at the situation in China today, you see a similar deal. Xi Xinping is not ordering cover ups of disease outbreaks. Local party officials make that mistake, and are held responsible for it.

3) Mao was officially held responsible for the Great Chinese Famine and forced to resign as Chairman, effectively ending his leadership of the country until he posed a return during the Cultural Revolution. It wasn't found out many years after the fact, the central committee knew there was a famine going on and it would not be possible to hide that from anybody when people are starving to death and running away from peoples' communes in droves.

I don't know who the fuck told you that Mao covered up a famine, but they were lying to you.
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Barnaby Blatherworth - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 02:48:02 EST E2Yofruj No.183812 Reply
>>183811
>Hundreds of thousands of underlings just doing as they were told. C'mon. Use Occam's razor here.
Occam's razor tells you exactly that is what happens in an authoritarian regime during a crisis. History is full of the stuff. The famine Mao caused with the great leap forward is one of them. Oh and Chernobyl. Oh and of course the full magnitude of the Holocaust was only known after the allies defeated the Nazis.

Of course there's some nuance here, gladly the current CCP aren't as bad as the Nazis or Mao himself. But in terms of compartmentalization of it's citizen in regards to blind trust it's fairly similar.
You don't need to debate me on which magnitude this is happening, I don't care it could be way less. The important thing is that it's happening at all.
So in a sense I give you that: Billion's of people are lying in China --- to themselves.
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Barnaby Blatherworth - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 02:55:24 EST E2Yofruj No.183813 Reply
>>183811
Also that's the most tankie post I've seen on /n/ yet. You must be so proud.
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Samuel Brookcocke - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 03:39:53 EST pjSfU+g+ No.183814 Reply
>>183812
>Oh and Chernobyl.

The west knew about Chenobyl about 40 mins after it happened. Rad spikes rarely lie.
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Barnaby Blatherworth - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 10:08:18 EST E2Yofruj No.183815 Reply
>>183814
Nobody except those involved in the coverup in one way or another knew HOW it happened and WHY it happened. People involved in the cleanup did as they are told.
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Shitting Pangerbudge - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 11:35:53 EST 95fSyme/ No.183816 Reply
>>183808
>Which observers? Your masters booted them out.
The conspiracy just goes deeper and deeper, doesn't it?
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Fuck Fablingville - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 15:00:28 EST O/BUJHAn No.183821 Reply
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>>183808
This. China kicked out foreign journalists and observers and staged mass arrests of anyone talking about it starting in February. You know, kind of like how it is exactly same behavior as they engaged in 2019 trying to cover up this new virus to beginning with?
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Jenny Chankinstock - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 15:24:21 EST fxZPTs+O No.183822 Reply
>>183812
>The famine Mao caused with the great leap forward is one of them

No, actually, it's not one, for the reasons listed. The famine was well publicized despite some party chiefs in the worst effected areas attempting to cover it up. But you can't cover up delivering ten tons of rice when you were asked for a hundred. And Mao, despite not partaking in cover ups himself, was held responsible for the famine. All you need is the officially recorded statistics to prove that a famine occurred and was occurring. You do not know anything about the Great Leap Forward period or internal politics in the CCP, and you are trafficking in FUD and outright lies spread by the State Department and aligned media outlets.

>>183821
>it is exactly same behavior as they engaged in 2019

Who is "they"? Party officials in Hubei who tried to withhold information from their superiors - which is the event you're actually talking about - were fired and replaced. Why is the UN, WHO, etc., not sounding the alarm on a cover up? Why is it only the US State Department and its affiliates saying this? https://fair.org/home/coronavirus-alarm-blends-yellow-peril-and-red-scare/

Use your head.

>>183813
I'm a libertarian socialist and my first enemy is my own government. I don't give a shit about Marxism-Leninism and I could list a plethora of problems inherent to the political form of any Marxist-Leninist Communist Party based on their own published party constitutions.
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Beatrice Soshshit - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 16:22:05 EST e4pRHO7Y No.183823 Reply
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>>183751
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

>>183822
>The famine was well publicized
No, the ChiComs published fake economic numbers and the rest of the world happily believed them, especially the communist sympathizers at the elite levels of the media world and in the UN. The true extent of the famine was not revealed to the world until the publication of single year age distributions (pic) from the country's first highly reliable population census in 1982.
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Beatrice Soshshit - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 16:23:43 EST e4pRHO7Y No.183824 Reply
lmao that thumbnail ended up looking like Tron, which was also from 1982
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Jenny Chankinstock - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 16:49:56 EST fxZPTs+O No.183826 Reply
>>183823
>No, the ChiComs published fake economic numbers and the rest of the world happily believed them

The CCP did not cover up the famine. Party leaders at the local level tried to report better conditions than really existed, because of the stupid way the institutions of the CCP of that era were designed, falsifying data on their own initiative in order to prevent themselves from being removed from their posts. Well, bad news for them, most of them did anyway when they got caught. Japan knew of the famine and offered aid, the US knew of the famine but didn't believe that the Chinese would accept it. Word gets around fast, and it's a matter of academic controversy whether or not the officially reported death rate is really inaccurate (all statistics contain some error, but the extent of the error is still up for debate). But we know is that there was no generalized conspiracy to cover things up, report to everyone that things are chill even when people knew family members were dying, and so on. It was the product of poor institutional design and mid-level bosses covering their asses, not cartoon villain level malice.

>the communist sympathizers at the elite levels of the media world and in the UN

Oh, I didn't realize at first I was dealing with Gen. Jack Ripper here. Don't you have some precious bodily fluids to prevent infection of? I heard Shen Yun was canceled this year, bummer!
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Jenny Chankinstock - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 16:51:21 EST fxZPTs+O No.183827 Reply
>>183826
>didn't believe that the Chinese would accept it.

Aid*, not it. nb
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Beatrice Soshshit - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 17:25:00 EST e4pRHO7Y No.183828 Reply
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>>183826
The ChiComs published fake economic numbers and the rest of the world happily believed them, especially the communist sympathizers at the elite levels of the media world and in the UN. The true extent of the famine was not revealed to the world until the publication of single year age distributions (pic >>183823 ) from the country's first highly reliable population census in 1982.
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Jenny Chankinstock - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 17:37:18 EST fxZPTs+O No.183829 Reply
>>183828
So now you're at the point of repeating yourself? I'm still marveling at you talking about "the communist sympathizers at the elite levels of the media world and in the UN". Do you... not know the US is a permanent member of the security council and has significant sway (although short of outright hegemony) over the UN? Are you just blissfully unaware of the State Department and CIA's connections to mass media and the news industry, and how they color the reporting of American journalists? Here's a refresher for you, General Ripper: https://monthlyreview.org/2018/01/01/the-propaganda-model-revisited/
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Jenny Chankinstock - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 17:51:28 EST fxZPTs+O No.183830 Reply
The issues with data reporting are apparently not restrained to China. Again, instead of the evil Chinese communists being dastardly and trying to hide the extent of the virus simply because they're very, very, evil - as Mike Pompeo might tell you - the issue seems to be those involved in data collection generally. The UK now is having the same issue of official statistics potentially undercounting the death toll:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-death-toll-higher-uk-hospitals-care-homes-office-national-statistics-a9437351.html

So where are the accusations of a cover up by the UK in the New York Times or Washington Post? In fact, the only outlets reporting on this are the sensationalist Daily Mail and the erudite Financial Times and the Russian oligarch owned Independent, and none of them are suggesting a cover up attempt. It could be that counting lethal events during a pandemic is just really fucking hard. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/04/china-did-not-deceive-us-counting-death-during-an-epidemic-is-really-difficult.html
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Phoebe Pockdale - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 18:11:08 EST voQWDKLw No.183831 Reply
>>183830
>The issues with data reporting are apparently not restrained to China.
Yes, the conspiracy must stretch and expand every time it's proven obviously false. You gonna pull out cellphone plan drops too? I have those numbers and they indicate many hundreds of thousands of Americans are already dead and the whole country is on fire.
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shit fuck you got the juice now dickhead - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 19:22:25 EST dZDaQqJv No.183835 Reply
>>183829
The main problem with China's data collection on the virus was that they used the same system they use for mass surveillance to count symptomatic people, social media. People's social media accounts and actions on them are linked to the social credit score which can dictate one's quality of life. Many people with mild symptoms or asymptomatic people with direct exposure to the virus just posted they were all good until they weren't. This is why all foreign reporters were expelled, because it undermines the narrative that the CCP is powerful and the erosion of the right to privacy is necessary to oil the government machine. It's a large scale rigorously implemented system that failed because it was too efficient, classic China.

I don't think they're trying to actively spread the virus and are sending doctors to help in other parts of the world which is good. However I do feel like they are feeding the world misinformation about what is happening internally both to save face and to bring in foreign investment by presenting the narrative that everything is back to business as usual in China and it's the one stable place in the world for investors to put their money.
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Phyllis Cublingridge - Wed, 01 Apr 2020 20:37:44 EST E2Yofruj No.183836 Reply
Newest developments

https://youtu.be/bpQFCcSI0pU (laowhy86)

It turns out there's a virology research lab 3 blocks from the wetmarket that supposedly was the source of the virus.
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Graham Brimmlewell - Thu, 02 Apr 2020 00:03:07 EST GetU3kJC No.183842 Reply
>>183836
That's not new, at all. Been a talking point since the start of this.
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Eugene Buzzhood - Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:31:20 EST dx/2tEH9 No.183851 Reply
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>>183842
odds are you're too young to remember all the baseless, unfounded rumors the supposedly responsible mainstream press was circulating about how saddam did the anthrax attacks in 2001 and then later on they started up with the big yellowcake lie, all done with innuendo, lies and manipulation, all from them supposedly responsible mainstream press, all of the reported rumors turned out to be totally false and to this day people still trust those same news outlets, but only because no alternative exists.
User is currently banned from all boards
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Puckered Anus - Thu, 02 Apr 2020 12:54:14 EST dZDaQqJv No.183881 Reply
>>183875
He's right, that has been a talking point since before America even quarantined and the click baity boer fuck in the video has been making ad revenue off that talking point for months.
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Shitting Drallyfuck - Thu, 02 Apr 2020 12:58:46 EST NS7ZLdIE No.183883 Reply
>>183881
>the click baity boer fuck in the video has been making ad revenue off that talking point for months.
Which leads me to doubt the motives behind posting the answer to a question nobody asked.
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Esther Nicklefoot - Thu, 02 Apr 2020 16:57:54 EST 6QrNp7Wp No.183889 Reply
>Believing China

Guys, seriously?

Just look at that one day they accepted pneumonia as a diagnosis for Covid. The numbers went up like crazy, what was it 10000 in a day? Then they didn't accept pneumonia the day after, and the numbers stayed as low as their capacity for RNA testing did. No one who died without getting tested got into their statistics as well.

They are tankies, take it from an actual socialist.
They will lie about everything that put their nation in a bad light.
It's the nation that harvest organs from criminals we're talking about here.
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Shitting Drallyfuck - Thu, 02 Apr 2020 16:59:32 EST NS7ZLdIE No.183890 Reply
>>183889
>even the international observers and the media and everyone is lying they're all LYING!!
stahp
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Eugene Sackleshaw - Thu, 02 Apr 2020 17:04:42 EST fxZPTs+O No.183891 Reply
>>183889
>It's the nation that harvest organs from criminals we're talking about here.

So China should just waste the organs of executed criminals? Fucking Eustonites.
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Esther Nicklefoot - Thu, 02 Apr 2020 17:09:01 EST 6QrNp7Wp No.183892 Reply
>>183890

No.

Now that we got actual statistics from actually reliable countries, we can finally see how this covid works.

There's no way China only had 3000 dead and 80000 infected from this, considering the timeline of its spread there and the millions of people boxed in the same areas of the epidemic centre.

We already know the tally didn't count the people who died at home, rejected by the packed hospitals. What more do you people need to see the writing on the wall here?
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George Boddlebanks - Thu, 02 Apr 2020 23:17:27 EST E2Yofruj No.183906 Reply
>>183892
He's either trolling or he's an actual wumao (50 cent poster).
Evident by trying to deflect from actual discussion, always responding by not addressing any of the points and of course trying to get a new ID after every post.
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Hugh Pecklechin - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 01:42:41 EST dx/2tEH9 No.183913 Reply
>>183890
what international observers? the gooks kicked out all foreign journalists as well as the WHO
User is currently banned from all boards
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Walter Goblingtock - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 02:42:19 EST fxZPTs+O No.183917 Reply
>>183913
>the gooks kicked out all foreign journalists as well as the WHO

You're so stupid that you don't even know the racist slur for Chinese is not "gook", that's for the fucking Koreans you mong.

And no, they didn't kick out the WHO. You can't even keep your State Department inspired stories right, because the current line is that WHO is an "accomplice" of the Chinese government and assisting them in falsifying data. The conspiracy grows ever larger!
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Fanny Namblehure - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 08:50:10 EST hCAKuWBQ No.183929 Reply
>>183906
>actual discussion
What discussion?

THEY'RE ALL LYING
vs
THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE

It's repetition of the same conversation, endlessly.
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Hedda Depperlene - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 12:00:23 EST eW7lNgCN No.183930 Reply
>>183917

I just read in a book that it was used as a slur against Vietnamese. It was in a Zinn book when referring to US troop conduct in the Vietnam war. Could it have been used in reference to more than one people? Or more broadly for the Indochinese?
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Reuben Goffingworth - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 12:08:35 EST GetU3kJC No.183931 Reply
>>183930
As a professional racism coordinator, I can confirm that gook originated as a slur for a specific peoples, but in modern use is applied to the peoples of many east and southeast Asian countries.
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Graham Cragglekutch - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 12:45:42 EST O/BUJHAn No.183934 Reply
>>183890
There are no international observers there right now dumbfuck
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Charles Ponderhood - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 12:59:38 EST uvFBTWv6 No.183935 Reply
>>183934
Okay I know this to be an outright lie because I just received a document to translate regarding wound dressings in China related to covid and it was written by someone who works for a prestigious public university outside of China, a person who is well known to be a front-line international coordinator for disease response. It's nobody anyone here would know or care about but there are definitely international medical surveillance personnel in China, thousands of them, there always are.
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Henry Sullynot - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 13:25:13 EST kfmM3V3Z No.183936 Reply
>>183889
>It's the nation that harvest organs from criminals we're talking about here.
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/30/reports-china-organ-harvesting-cult-falun-gong/
>A wave of corporate media reports on Chinese organ harvesting rely without acknowledgement on front groups connected to the far-right Falun Gong cult, whose followers believe “Trump was sent by heaven to destroy the Communist Party.”

>Falun Gong, whose devotees can often be seen clad in yellow and performing coordinated qi gong routines in crowded city centers, runs an ultra-conservative, staunchly pro-Donald Trump media network that has been compared to Alex Jones’ Infowars.
Falling for unverified propaganda from pro-Trump Infowars of the East definitely makes you a smart and informed crusader against the demonic yellow menace that is probably hiding under your bed right now.

It certainly doesn't mark you as a gullible fucking idiot.

>They are tankies, take it from an actual socialist.
An "actual socialist" who repeats far-right Trump propaganda thinks hypercapitalist modern China is "tankie".

Yup.
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Charles Ponderhood - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 14:10:56 EST uvFBTWv6 No.183937 Reply
>>183936
USA accepts prisoner organ "donations" as well.

A lot of superpowers have the same diseases, it's like human rights hemophilia. If you stand in one and attack the other, you just look like a nationalist, because otherwise your criticism should be better directed at your own government since that's where you can make the most change.
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Sophie Honeystone - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 16:20:02 EST HjtCnH1F No.183941 Reply
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>>183935
thats isn't true, just made it all up and thats why you willfully withheld the evidence of truth that you could have presented if you wanted to.
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Lillian Dangerstock - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 17:59:24 EST ClNMEJ6U No.183949 Reply
>>183941
>EVERYONE IS LYING
>YOU'RE LYING TOO IF YOU DON'T DOX YOURSELF
kys
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Clara Neffingstot - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 18:55:32 EST 6QrNp7Wp No.183952 Reply
It's not hard to do this math guys. The timeline vs the stats of covid's severe sick and dead does not add up. The deflecting China has been trying to do lately like implying it came overseas is just the icing on the cake.

There's a reason why Western countries got so overwhelmed by Corona. They based their epidemiological estimates on faulty numbers. Thought this we can control. And they would if China told the truth.
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Walter Goblingtock - Fri, 03 Apr 2020 19:04:42 EST fxZPTs+O No.183953 Reply
>>183952
China didn't force the US government to do nothing in preparation. You're talking about China deflecting blame while blaming China for the US's non-response. China didn't prevent South Korea or Singapore from acting fast and containing the spread, so why would China be preventing us from doing that?
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Barnaby Socklewater - Sat, 04 Apr 2020 02:22:17 EST I67WoR1M No.183962 Reply
>>183952
>Thought this we can control. And they would if China told the truth.

We should depend on what? 'The right-wing' government perhaps?

"If the government is to take drastic action…the very least that we can do is provide the data to back it up."

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-fires-chief-staff-mick-174858578.html

https://www.westword.com/news/colorado-republicans-struggle-to-grasp-basic-principles-of-covid-19-response-11676176

https://www.foxnews.com/media/coronavirus-bill-overloaded-with-pelosis-christmas-tree-ornaments-says-republican-who-voted-against-it

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/27/colorado-republicans-polis-stay-home-coronavirus/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sov6nQhqwis
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Simon Geffingchedging - Sat, 04 Apr 2020 06:20:57 EST ClNMEJ6U No.183965 Reply
>>183952
>It's not hard to do this math guys. The timeline vs the stats of covid's severe sick and dead does not add up.
Neither does anyone else's then because our country has apparently been infected with some country-specific strain, according to you, that has double the fatality rate as the rest of the world experienced.
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Emma Winningpock - Sat, 04 Apr 2020 12:13:49 EST vsTiQhgq No.183973 Reply
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>>183952
>Bitch please. Even if China had immediately told America everything they needed to know way back in December, they would have responded by having a nationwide close-contact dance party purely out of spite.

We know this because once America finally did acknowledge it, that's basically how half the country responded.

China didn't force Boris Johnson to flirt with "herd immunity" as a containment response, and they didn't force Bolsonaro to respond by trying to schoolyard bully the virus into submission.

Your country's failures are nobody else's but your own.
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Betsy Dartfield - Sat, 04 Apr 2020 14:28:59 EST odEWg5xh No.183974 Reply
>>183973
And how half the country is still responding. YOU HEAR ME REDNECKS?? STAY THE FUCK HOME
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Ernest Somblekene - Sat, 04 Apr 2020 15:05:04 EST HjtCnH1F No.183975 Reply
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>>183973
>In Late February, Nancy Pelosi Encouraged Large Groups to Congregate in Chinatown…later Pelosi blamed Trump’s early “denial” for spread of coronavirus.
https://summit.news/2020/03/30/in-late-february-nancy-pelosi-encouraged-large-groups-to-congregate-in-chinatown/
A video clip from late February shows Nancy Pelosi encouraging large groups of people to congregate in San Francisco’s Chinatown before she would later go on to blame President Trump’s early “denial” for the spread of coronavirus.

The footage, which was taken on February 24th, is introduced by a reporter noting how Pelosi wanted residents to understand how it’s “perfectly safe to be here” in Chinatown.

“We do want to say to people, come to Chinatown, here we are…come join us,” said Pelosi.

The reporter then explains how the stunt was a response to San Francisco’s Chinatown experiencing a drop in business since the outbreak of coronavirus in Wuhan, China.

San Francisco has since recorded 340 confirmed cases of coronavirus and 5 people have died.

The video is particularly eye opening since yesterday on CNN, Pelosi blamed President Trump’s “denial at the beginning” for the spread of coronavirus throughout the United States.

The video underscores how many officials flouted the very social distancing measures they now amplify because at the time stopping bigotry towards Chinese people was seen as being of greater importance than preventing the spread of coronavirus.

As we previously highlighted, health officials in New York gave identical advice, urging residents to gather in crowds to celebrate the Chinese Lunar New Year.

“Today our city is celebrating the #LunarNewYear parade in Chinatown, a beautiful cultural tradition with a rich history in our city,” wrote New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot. “I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus.”

Her message was echoed by Mark D. Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee, who lauded how “huge crowds gathering in NYC’s Chinatown” was a “powerful show of defiance of #coronavirus scare,” tweeting four images of large groups of people gathered to celebrate the occasion.

Mayor Bill de Blasio also urged New Yorkers to “get out on the town despite coronavirus” and visit the cinema as late as March 2nd.

As we highlight in the video below, back in February, leftist officials in Italy were also urging citizens to go outside and hug Chinese people in order to fight racism.
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Graham Greenwater - Sat, 04 Apr 2020 16:48:12 EST fxZPTs+O No.183977 Reply
>>183975
More anti-Chinese sentiment spread by the Foggy Bottom bot.
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Esther Chuckleduck - Sun, 05 Apr 2020 04:45:19 EST Za9BnM8D No.183999 Reply
>>183975
>A video clip from late February shows Nancy Pelosi encouraging large
>groups of people to congregate in San Francisco’s Chinatown

I didn't notice a video clip on the site. Usually when a site says "A video clip shows" Actually has a video clip.

>"We do want to say to people, come to Chinatown, here we are…come join us,” >said Pelosi.

I believe she did say that, she was referring to the few incidents of people harassing Oreintal peoples. Who knows what happened with China, really. but I do know the Current sitting president is all over on who is to blame, along with a lot of Republicans not focusing on the health an safety of Americans and the stability of America as a whole. That really means the Republican party today in it's entirety. It's supporters included. If this had come from Mexico things politically would be chaos. But you could still place blame on Republicans just as fkn much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic_and_All-Hazards_Preparedness_Reauthorization_Act_of_2013_(H.R._307;_113th_Congress)



ALCINDOR: You did disband the White House pandemic office, and the officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly. So what responsibility do you take to that, and—the officials that worked in that office said the White House lost valuable time because that office was disbanded. What do you make of that?

TRUMP: Well, I just thank it’s a nasty question, because what we’ve done, and Tony had said numerous times that we saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing. [Ed.: The closing of borders to some travelers.] And when you say me, I didn’t do it. We have a group of people, I could ask perhaps, in my administration, but I could perhaps ask Tony about that, because I don’t know anything about it. I mean, you say we did that, I don’t know anything about it. Disbanding, no, I don’t know anything about it …

"ALCINDOR: You don’t know about the reorganization that happened at the National Security Council."

" TRUMP: … It’s the administration, perhaps they do that, let people go, you used to be with a different newspaper than you are now, you know, things like that happen."

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-defends-cuts-cdc-budget-federal-government-hire-doctors-coronavirus-2020-2-1028946602
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David Dishledge - Sun, 05 Apr 2020 10:30:39 EST aRAdhvmK No.184003 Reply
>>183975
She's trying to get you people to stop popping your heads and going off on random Chinese people in the street. She's saying Chinatown isn't dangerous. Whereas today in Brooklyn, your guys beat a Chinese woman so bad she needed stitches, taking medical resources from a national emergency. When this is over you will all be deplatformed. They already started with Bolsonaro. Your experiment is over.
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Esther Chuckleduck - Sun, 05 Apr 2020 18:48:18 EST Za9BnM8D No.184016 Reply
I really think it would be fair to say just as easy, I mean simply just as easy that this
worldwide crisis would not have developed if Trump or any Republican for that matter took office.

Trump took soo much time on China China China. Why the obsession? Republicans Boehner, and the entire party, repeal and replace. Bocessed with trying to steal other nations oil. The wall obsession. Drill baby drill. Jail Hillary Tee hee, hee. Were going to dismantle all of Obama's accomplishments; at least they acknowledged 'actual accomplishments.'

Government shutdown, because 'they' had control to do so. It's not shutdown now, but it is.
The government is simply dismantled at present, disorganized to hell more than any other
party could have possibly done so. Not so hard to think about since there are only two major
parties.

Ok so what if this would have happened anyway? What if Trump was impeached, since he was whining he made the Hoax flu thing a "attempt to get me" as they have failed, they will fail again #@therealdisasters.gov he still has not accomplished an real organization of government in his entire presidency. Most states are doing what they can. And Trump says they should be thankful for 'federal' government aid.

Yes I have heard many Republicans call the United States an experiment. And yes at least one democrat. Capitalism is not the problem. Capitalism is fine. It's the Republican party as a whole that is the problem. Including, or mostly it's supporters.

The tea party was an experiment. It worked. It was about electing Republicans, Nothing more. Not making the tea party a viable party. It doesn't even freaking exist today. Just an
off shoot of Libertarianism.
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Angus Bangerhodge - Sun, 05 Apr 2020 22:15:59 EST I67WoR1M No.184018 Reply
>>184016
Trump hires and hires the worst possible 'humans' for the work to the point that there is no possible way to keep things stable. Where does one pick up from where the last left off. Because of a cough, you get fired. He has a issue with freedom of press. fake news. He mentioned fake news concerning the crisis, as did his followers. We have to put up with your right wing SHIT for decades, and decades. Always fixing your constant fu*K*ups. And all the right wind=gers do is whine, treehuggers, Pelosi, two weeks into Obamas presidency, he is the worst president EVER! Obmama is always playing golf, he is always campaigning.
Shit, when texas was in a bad State he was supposed to be there to support Texans, he said in front of supporters, wow, what a great turnout! And the people all cheered. This USA USA love it or leave it shit. Yet the right does not keep their leadership held to any standards whatsoever. He Pardoned Blagoeviech "a Democrat" just in time before this shit went down. Like Democrats were to thank his sorry ass. We don't want people like Blago in office. Plain and fkn simple.
The Texas sheriff, Aprio who dresses hos prisoners in pink outfits, was pardoned. Was was hailed as some great figure. He was was saying he may run for office, and you people would mindlessly vote for the creepy Sheriff.

The wall, was nothing to throw tax payer money to Trumps special people.
Nothing more. Trump even had it so he could transfer money from military, and
declare executive powers to 'funnel' money to the wall. How faggy, "a beautiful wall." Trump is not even close to being in touch with reality as is the entire lot of Republicans. That is the Republican party.
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Barnaby Sammleridge - Mon, 06 Apr 2020 00:51:23 EST n1GNC4dt No.184020 Reply
PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM
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Comic Genisu - Mon, 06 Apr 2020 02:02:58 EST dZDaQqJv No.184021 Reply
Americans scream PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM but think that CUM PENIS CUM PENIS CUM PENID
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Angus Bangerhodge - Mon, 06 Apr 2020 05:28:20 EST I67WoR1M No.184023 Reply
>>184018
with the president apparently trying to undermine McCabe and the FBI’s credibility.

In December, Trump publicly complained about McCabe’s wife’s political affiliations (Jill McCabe unsuccessfully ran as a Democrat for a Virginia state Senate seat in 2015), criticized his oversight of the FBI investigations into Clinton and even mocked his retirement plans.

Trump responded to the news of the firing in a tweet late on Friday. “A great day for the hard working men and women of the FBI ― A great day for Democracy,” the president tweeted.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/andrew-mccabe-fired-fbi_n_5aa9af61e4b0004c04070d10
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Public health and national security experts shake their heads when President Donald Trump says the coronavirus "came out of nowhere" and “blindsided the world.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-disbanded-nsc-pandemic-unit-experts-praised-69594177
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Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who made waves as a witness during the Trump impeachment proceedings, was fired Friday by the National Security Council and escorted off of the White House grounds, Fox News has confirmed.
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Bush in 2005: 'If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare'
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/bush-in-2005-if-we-wait-for-a-pandemic-to-appear-it-will-be-too-late-to-prepare/ar-BB12ckhd?li=AAgfYrC
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Mr. Trump has railed about those who stood against him, calling them “evil,” “corrupt” and “crooked,”
while his press secretary declared that those who hurt the president “should pay for” it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/us/politics/alexander-vindman-gordon-sondland-fired.html
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vindman-to-leave-nsc-after-trump-acquittal
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Richard Spencer, who was fired as Navy secretary for his handling of a Navy Seal war crimes case championed by Donald Trump, has said the president “has very little understanding” of how the US military works.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/28/navy-secretary-richard-spencer-donald-trump-navy-seal
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Doris Nuggledale - Wed, 08 Apr 2020 02:27:10 EST I67WoR1M No.184074 Reply
>>184023
>criticized his oversight of the FBI investigations into Clinton and even mocked his >retirement plans.

You as an individuall person, citizen, need to understand the role of the FBI.

The FBI along with legit law enforcement personnel is the basics of what is a easily accomplished proper and stable government to the people. I think right now, the feds if you call it them, need to be stable.
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Shitting Drorrystun - Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:13:36 EST c6hYzics No.184121 Reply
>>184023
>trying to undermine the FBI's credibility
Good fuck those assholes
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Lillian Settinghall - Fri, 10 Apr 2020 17:42:50 EST o37V8UVd No.184135 Reply
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Kick out all foreign reporters, lie about the numbers. Surprise, we got the virus we started under control. Anyone who believes anything that comes out of China is naive to say the least. They still won't admit to anything happening early June in 1989.
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Charlotte Brillerworth - Fri, 10 Apr 2020 17:57:33 EST 4scaaRdR No.184138 Reply
>>184135

i could only find articles of china kicking out US journalists, more as a retaliatory bickering thing (us limited number of their journalists that could do shit over here) than a suppression thing. though the timing couldn't be worse. i am not arguing with you but simply curious, do you have any sources of other foreign journalists being kicked out, like european ones? or WHO observers/reporters? when i tried to google it i just got a bunch of clickbait conservative trash articles
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James Findledeg - Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:12:25 EST GW1axdWk No.184140 Reply
The idea that China kicked out *all* the foreign reporters from the whole damn country is fucking ludicrous. Aside from the logistics and diplomatic fallout with allied nations the impossibility of adequetely enforcing it, it would have the opposite effect of whatever propaganda goal that's supposed to achieve.

China might be an authoritarian police state but I swear some of people act like it exists on another fucking plane of existence. Geopolitics isn't a fucking comic book, you dorks, get a grip on reality.
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Cyril Bendlehall - Sat, 11 Apr 2020 08:42:36 EST tlilhxRg No.184150 Reply
>>184138
>>184140
Nevermind that journalists don't mean jackshit when we have a pandemic. We're still getting scientific data out of China.

People can just look at that shit. Duh.

Rightwingers are all retarded.
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Barnaby Pickworth - Sat, 11 Apr 2020 08:49:12 EST n2+AvTM/ No.184151 Reply
>>184150
No, haven't you heard? They're all lying, even the international scientists from your country, whatever it is. Everyone's lying, it's the only truth.
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Martin Bardbury - Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:52:33 EST eW7lNgCN No.184183 Reply
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>>184182

That feller there is itchin' fer' some hurtin', my du
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John Blackhall - Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:13:14 EST dZDaQqJv No.184184 Reply
>>184182
It was nice of those orientals to give that yokel a mask.

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