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Amazon / Whole Foods systematically tracks employees for an "union risk" assessment heat map

- Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:26:21 EST E2Yofruj No.184561
File: 1587489981250.jpg -(139069B / 135.81KB, 888x1024) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Amazon / Whole Foods systematically tracks employees for an "union risk" assessment heat map

>Amazon-owned Whole Foods is tracking and scoring stores it deems at risk of unionizing, according to five people with knowledge of the effort and internal documents viewed by Business Insider.
>The scores are based on more than two dozen metrics, including racial diversity, employee loyalty, "tipline" calls, and violations recorded by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.
>Whole Foods is keeping an eye on stores at risk of unionizing through an interactive heat map, according to five people with knowledge of the matter and internal documents viewed by Business Insider.
>The stores' scores on each metric are fed into the heat map, which is a geographic illustration of the United States peppered with red spots to indicate high-risk Whole Foods stores.
Samuel Duckwell - Tue, 21 Apr 2020 13:50:47 EST AhvFjFWT No.184562 Reply
Why isn't this illegal again? Oh right, in America corporation owns you.
George Depperstig - Tue, 21 Apr 2020 19:26:24 EST yvZJ6hX6 No.184575 Reply

Freedom ain't free, it comes at the cost of personal and professional liberty.
Hedda Gummerpork - Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:00:11 EST linUrfjy No.184583 Reply
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No, everyone who tried to speak against it, was called an evil racist nazi.
Lillian Gublingshaw - Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:11:46 EST SXxzYNdQ No.184586 Reply
i knew amazon was sketchy but holy shit
Henry Buzzlepore - Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:53:09 EST s0L+IBmC No.184587 Reply
Remember when Amazon only sold books? Also what's with the union-bashing in USA?
Basil Dicklehall - Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:49:09 EST odEWg5xh No.184611 Reply
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>Also what's with the union-bashing in USA?
You must be new here.
Ebenezer Dodgeridge - Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:57:05 EST S3snEzP+ No.184615 Reply
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>Diversity is a countervailing factor.
Woke folks btfo
Wesley Fengerwat - Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:12:53 EST E2Yofruj No.184617 Reply
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>Woke folks btfo
Once you're done jerking off to that you could think about if the segregation and gentrification dynamic is the underlying cause.
Molly Giblingville - Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:50:30 EST GkS4Mnu6 No.184618 Reply
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woke c@pitaliam gives you a mask off moment. Pluralism means difficult solidarity. Remain their useful idiot. Co-ethnic organization is effective contra multi-ethnic.
Cornelius Higglestone - Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:46:36 EST GW1axdWk No.184647 Reply
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yeah but it's fine because we called them heroes
Cyril Hushsteck - Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:18:42 EST NoDkpEVL No.184649 Reply
Better conditions for workers- for natural reasons- don't count unless unions do it?
Immigration is social dumping, a race to bottom against quicksand.
Jarvis Menkinfoot - Fri, 24 Apr 2020 03:34:03 EST J8eRNVs2 No.184666 Reply
He is right for wrong reasons. Capitalist countries love using immigration as way to flood market with undervalued labor and break worker solidarity. Language and cultural barriers are bonus points.
Ebenezer Sunkinfield - Fri, 24 Apr 2020 07:52:40 EST ZuHCFVPi No.184669 Reply
Racism is an ideology for dummies that doesn't help your life and your family in any way.
Yes, those in power use our differences to divide us.
Sidney Wellerpure - Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:24:58 EST 6QrNp7Wp No.184684 Reply
Well wow colour me impressed.

An American company is against workers teaming up to demand better pay and rights?

No shit. The US is a third world country at worker rights, of course an American company is gonna ensure you worker drones doesn't catch the European flu.
Sidney Wellerpure - Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:28:18 EST 6QrNp7Wp No.184685 Reply
These companies will close down entire stores and boot every single hired person there to prevent you from cooperating.

It's fucking mental to watch what Americans accept from here over the pond.
Ebenezer Senderbanks - Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:47:17 EST O/BUJHAn No.184686 Reply
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It is not just that. They exploit differences in laws, pay rate, and workers protections to exploit proletariat in both countries. They use illegal immigrants basically like scabs. Letting your concerns fall into "durr if you do not like such thing you are racist!" makes you useful idiot to Capitalists just as much as actual poltards are for not understanding problem isn't that they are brown, problem is that they are scabs being used to gut worker protections, drive down wages, create dissonance in proletariet, and destroy power of unions among other things. Labor is seen as product under Capitalism. By flooding every developed country with immigrants it is like flooding markets with oil. They flood labor market with Turks or Mexicans or whoever to floor value of labor, drive up competition, drive down wages.

You ignoring such things does not make you enlightened. I do not think, you even understand how retarded you people are sounding from proletarian standpoint and it is very easy to see how Democrat corporate wing is being used to alienate workers so they vote against own interests. Similar thing happens throughout EU. So they say, well if you do not like it is because only racism against Somalis or Turks or Poles or whoever, letting such cancerous filth as AfD or UKIP or Tories swallow up votes because you are not listening. But, at least UK has Labour, for all such traitorous bullshit they pull on workers also at times.

Maybe, you should take again point of workers not wanting to get fucked by Capitalist interests instead of putting another Capitalist dildo in your brain like Biden or any Republican? Maybe, what you should do is actually take side of workers and take their issues seriously? Did you ever consider?
Wesley Noblingbury - Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:49:51 EST mSqeIz7v No.184688 Reply
What in the christ are you replying to? Holy fuck. Those in power use our differences to divide us. The end.
Emma Dinderford - Sun, 26 Apr 2020 00:54:03 EST fxZPTs+O No.184701 Reply
Mexican workers want the same shit as you and me: a roof over our heads, a well stocked pantry, and to wake up warm and dry. Solidarity is the solution to the disproportionate shit they receive: you organize with them to equalize conditions, suddenly your bosses can't fuck you like they used to.

But if you embrace some racist bullshit, and try to work with your boss against the Mexican workers, you're only fucking yourself. Competition among workers is controlled by effective and real solidarity, not by borders. If you expect the government to come in and solve this for you, you're going to be left wanting. The workers of this world have to work together to win what's in their collective interest. Don't fuck this up.
Lydia Clellerham - Sun, 26 Apr 2020 02:11:30 EST snQLimnZ No.184704 Reply
So you realize the people and institutions making the rules are profiting from exploiting people and your answer is to punch down hard enough to impress a bunch of fly over rubes that are the in the statistical minority nation wide?

What a radical stance.
Ebenezer Mackleshaw - Mon, 27 Apr 2020 10:16:29 EST JXsS2lUO No.184723 Reply
You're being miss informed the 3 people who replied back to you are telling you the truth. Your owner/boss dont have your best interest. Thry are baiting you to use racism againts you. You honestly think a central American has more power than the corporate owner? Christ man, your being manipulated.
Eliza Clagglestock - Mon, 27 Apr 2020 11:22:09 EST KqxG3UYd No.184724 Reply
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Technocapitals little helpers. Keep vindicating uncle ted.
Boogies and their algorithm state homogeneity promotes union, and this situation is taken for your good boy points and not good for the worker.
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Ebenezer Mackleshaw - Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:02:55 EST JXsS2lUO No.184725 Reply
Is as almost you dont believe it workers rights and acceptable living wages.
Eliza Clagglestock - Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:21:25 EST KqxG3UYd No.184727 Reply
Neither do you if the elite announce diversity is THEIR advantage and negate any issue as "raycis"
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Frederick Bardman - Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:41:53 EST 89BDuEJt No.184728 Reply
If you have a problem with diversity because it's diverse then yeah, you can fuck off.
Phineas Fanningfield - Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:45:01 EST O/BUJHAn No.184729 Reply
>trying to protect home labor is always just a racist bullshits
Then, you wonder why so much of worker has been turning against Democratic party. No no let us just fuck Bernie Sanders from nomination and elect another right wing racist like Biden except he also do not tell people he will elect home labor either. Clearly, this has nothing to do with you being Capitalisms useful idiot.

>organize with them
Yes. But, all you seem to do is want more bourgeois and tell them pull themself up by boot straps while being hostile to own proletariet. It funny, when many you do such thing from upper middle class background. Then you wonder, why they resent my bourgeoisie mcmansion raised ass? Clearly, is because they all is stupid.

I think you become locked in such burger kulturkampf mentality you is no longer ability to see reality.

>poor workers is minority in USA
>yeah fuck having to care what minorities think anyway
What radical mentality.
Eliza Clagglestock - Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:46:27 EST KqxG3UYd No.184730 Reply
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diversity is desirable due to its consequences for workers, woke capital shoe-shiner.
Ebenezer Mackleshaw - Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:50:44 EST JXsS2lUO No.184741 Reply
I think the devirsity shit is stupid. This isn't about race but it totally is. The reality is you want all those benefits but not for brown or dark folks. You are the one that's racist and you know it. Just fucking say how you really feel.
Jarvis Trotgold - Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:39:15 EST dZDaQqJv No.184746 Reply
posting the OKC bombers manifesto is really making you look like a rational centrist.
Simon Crollydot - Tue, 28 Apr 2020 06:16:36 EST WY8ilO38 No.184747 Reply
Get the fuck out, assholes. Nobody here is going to kill for you, so give up.
Isabella Murdfield - Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:04:01 EST O/BUJHAn No.184750 Reply
Diversity is not same thing is flooding labor market to undercut workers, dumb fuck
Isabella Murdfield - Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:05:16 EST O/BUJHAn No.184751 Reply
Problem is, they has same correct impulse on class but you see, how they made into useful idiot for Capitalist class from divide and rule tactic and diversion to racism and stupidity for supporting status quo. Sadly, most is too dumb to realize this.
Hamilton Shittingforth - Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:48:01 EST RmP67Cde No.184756 Reply
Nope, all immigration is effectively importing expensive housing; millienals are brainwashed into seeking what keeps them at home.
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Doris Girryshaw - Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:16:04 EST AGl1UI/n No.184758 Reply
I could say the same thing about Amish or Mormons having a bunch of kids, can you sack up and compete or not? Jfc you think the government is in place to stack the deck in your favor, from what dark place do you get your sense of nationalist entitlement?

And meanwhile why should I be a nationalist like you? It doesn't get me jack crap dude. Being an American means nothing other than you have to scrap hard and scrimp harder in a system designed for very few people to succeed. So why should I align myself with you to defend it? Succeed through your own skill and ambition, don't bitch and whine about foreigners.
Hamilton Shittingforth - Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:22:23 EST RmP67Cde No.184760 Reply
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>What is nobelese obligee
>Tactical libertarianism
Misanthropic power level revealed, are you surprised that lefties are disdained?
Nell Worthingdock - Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:09:33 EST zeKPIuFq No.184761 Reply
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Americans who oppose mass immigration should be way more critical of Mormons not just for having massive families, but also for directly encouraging and benefitting from mass Hispanic immigration by bringing in more potential converts.

But for some weird reason, conservatives always overlook the Mormons and blame everyone else instead. Weird.
Oliver Boshfield - Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:23:16 EST TY2/Fg1b No.184762 Reply
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>Millions unemployed and approach eviction
>Let's stan for immigrants
In America
Doris Disslestog - Tue, 28 Apr 2020 20:46:23 EST snQLimnZ No.184772 Reply
I don't see americans lining up to work for below minimum wage in the orchards and fields.

They wouldn't be here if the business class didn't need a caste of untouchables. But we should give them tax cuts and spend taxes they didn't chip in on incarcerating the cogs in the machine the created.

/nb fuck your faggy almost sarcastic non argument and whichever inbred father figure soft molested it into you
Hamilton Blomblepene - Thu, 07 May 2020 22:11:50 EST XTmXcIxS No.184982 Reply
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Why so anti-labor union? It's no like its communism...
James Pittbury - Fri, 08 May 2020 01:58:05 EST pjSfU+g+ No.184986 Reply
This is your brain on 4chan people.
Martha Tillingson - Fri, 08 May 2020 09:51:56 EST O/BUJHAn No.184995 Reply
Hahaha so your favorite pet word stallion get filtered and now you use simp. What simp should be cat planeted
Nell Pockway - Fri, 08 May 2020 10:52:18 EST tUmW9+O6 No.184997 Reply
>simping for immigrants

psychotic lol, your inability to fuck is the singular issue in your life and it shines through in everything you say and do, i mean simping for immigrants lmao, at least the c*ck thing as steeped in sexual frustration makes sense

interesting picture you got there, i wonder what it could mean
Wesley Foddlefat - Fri, 08 May 2020 11:27:40 EST bh15piMx No.184999 Reply
All workers deserve protection, don't they?
Archie Bunbury - Sat, 09 May 2020 06:28:10 EST cs3pi0AK No.185024 Reply
Nobody's getting arrested for speaking English, Chinabot.
George Seggledock - Mon, 11 May 2020 09:57:01 EST yRzzPMdR No.185062 Reply
I really don't think this is Chinabot. That's some Djiboutin level incoherence. What the fuck is he trying to say?
Ernest Surrychat - Mon, 11 May 2020 11:19:54 EST l4vUMrnW No.185064 Reply
We got new filters and now Chinabot has to phrase everything in a really weird way to be able to post.
Ian Brummlekork - Sun, 17 May 2020 19:08:24 EST 0s+MQBCi No.185271 Reply
Just replace Elon and bezo with McAffee. Let's go with the crazy we can predict to at least manage some good marketing and who can handle his drugs.
Jarvis Sammlewater - Tue, 19 May 2020 07:23:44 EST 9OGzBMgh No.185299 Reply
No, it doesn't, why would it? If you let these things that are beyond your control and ability to influence bring you to suffer this acutely, you will do nothing but rage and lament and make yourself sick over it forever.
Henry Bimmlelock - Tue, 19 May 2020 07:26:24 EST GW1axdWk No.185300 Reply
>coming to a news board to tell people not to care about the world
good use of your time, guru
Jarvis Sammlewater - Tue, 19 May 2020 07:39:25 EST 9OGzBMgh No.185301 Reply
Not making yourself sick over things doesn't mean you don't care, it's just an acknowledgment that the outcome isn't going to depend on how upset you get.
Jarvis Sammlewater - Tue, 19 May 2020 07:41:02 EST 9OGzBMgh No.185302 Reply
And that's a weird thing I've seen on this board before, talk about needing your anger and weaponizing it. If anger is a weapon it is only a self-destructive one. Anger does nothing to anyone else, only actions.
Henry Bimmlelock - Tue, 19 May 2020 08:08:05 EST GW1axdWk No.185306 Reply
Stop making yourself sick over people talking about news on the news board.
People caring about things is beyond your control.
Stop raging and lamenting about people talking about things you don't want to talk about.
Clara Drorringford - Tue, 19 May 2020 08:42:51 EST bh15piMx No.185307 Reply
Yup. Self-reflection takes the wind right out of ya. 😉
Reuben Duckwill - Tue, 19 May 2020 21:52:34 EST n1GNC4dt No.185330 Reply
Hey buddy, quit lecturing people. You're doing it a lot.
Hannah Nugglekit - Thu, 21 May 2020 14:33:25 EST pBuzeXV+ No.185404 Reply
I would literally burn down the workplace if i worked in whole foods
Ebenezer Blackfuck - Thu, 21 May 2020 17:34:22 EST ggPWwDH9 No.185413 Reply
Lucky you don't, or you'd be hurting a lot of innocent people for no reason.
Thomas Bemblebanks - Thu, 28 May 2020 06:57:44 EST E2Yofruj No.185588 Reply
In a sense even Amazon itself including online retail and cloud services are vital infrastructure. And destroying that not only would accomplish nothing if you want to get rid of robber-baron type capitalist it actively helps them.
They are insured against that type of damage and they even get a chance to play the victim.

The way to deal with them is either with the power of the state breaking them up and or nationalizing them. If you don't think you don't think we can't get back control of the state the alternative is some sort of uprising.
Thomas Bemblebanks - Thu, 28 May 2020 08:45:52 EST E2Yofruj No.185591 Reply
Again, just because a monopolist has built infrastructure doesn't mean it can't be taken by the public and kept functioning.
Basil Drobblekat - Thu, 28 May 2020 18:55:56 EST 4scaaRdR No.185600 Reply

yeah in my opinion we need some serious antitrust breakups of the like 4 or 5 companies that own everything
Fanny Grimham - Tue, 02 Jun 2020 20:50:09 EST Rb09iYiv No.185733 Reply
Yep. Railroad tycoons, standard oil, baby Bells. Done before, can do it again.
George Mucklehet - Thu, 04 Jun 2020 14:41:51 EST vJzt15Nj No.185786 Reply
Well if you keep segregating people of course there's no solidarity, chicken and egg here. In the long term diversity will lead to more solidarity and unity but only if tards like you stop pushing back and trying to alienate everyone else.

Who's the shill now?
John Huzzlesare - Fri, 05 Jun 2020 04:16:15 EST GYsJBwcY No.185798 Reply
take your social welfare state-with-an-edge and shove it up your ass stormcunt
Jenny Sigglefuck - Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:01:41 EST DTQL62OC No.185897 Reply
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How's it like being a divorced billionaire, Jeff Bezos?
Sophie Clarrytatch - Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:57:49 EST /koWgFFp No.187262 Reply
All that money and can't keep his wife...
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Cornelius Smallbanks - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 15:20:19 EST oa2dnetl No.187291 Reply
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Is anybody taking bets on how long it's gonna be until the guillotines come back out?
Graham Broblinghood - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 16:18:08 EST zv6Y9w8Q No.187294 Reply
Honestly I am concerned and could see something akin to the French revolution taking place. Maybe I'm just buying into the image big media is trying to sell rn but this shit looks chaotic and out of control to me man.

People are probably too afraid to bitch up right now but they're not even hungry or on the street yet. Legit think its gonna get out of hand
Cornelius Smallbanks - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:00:35 EST oa2dnetl No.187295 Reply
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As a species I feel like we have 3 options:

1) Things hit an upward trend and start improving toward post-scarcity
2) Nothing changes, the downward spiral continues and French Revolution 2: We're All French Now hits - and how that turns out I'm not smart enough to even guess at
3) Nothing changes, the downward spiral continues and eventually, inevitably, leads to the destruction of Earth and most likely humanity with it. The current status quo is unsustainable and predestined for failure

This is an important time but I don't think this is the time. The bread and circuses are still running too efficiently. In my best uneducated guesstimation, by the end of our lives (so ~60+ years from now) we'll be able to have a mostly half-decent idea of where we're headed. Global warming will have had made not insignificant parts of the planet uninhabitable, wealth inequality will have just kept getting worse, and the number of people tired of it all will have grown with it.

I guess we can all take comfort in the fact that we're the last generation that'll die before things start getting really serious which, as much as life sucks now, is some sort of consolation.
Jenny Dunningshit - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:38:36 EST TUEAVm+o No.187296 Reply
Any arbitrary amount of social unrest does not necessarily lead to revolution.

Second discontent with people's position in society is proportional to their relative wealth not their absolute wealth.
It's not necessary to get so bad that people are literally starving on the streets, they're just as pissed if they can't keep their parent's living standards or realize their poverty compared to the ruling class.

Third it doesn't take that much, a few vital industries in general strike are enough, however nothing gonna happen until it's worldwide. Let's say all airline, shipping and rail workers do it, then it's done. Or IT infrastructure, or energy, or just one vital resource like say rare earths.
The system is incredibly fragile but only on a global scale because multinationals don't give a shit about your borders.
Jenny Dunningshit - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 18:01:59 EST TUEAVm+o No.187297 Reply
>1) Things hit an upward trend and start improving toward post-scarcity

good one Elon

>2) Nothing changes, the downward spiral continues and French Revolution 2: We're All French Now hits - and how that turns out I'm not smart enough to even guess at
It doesn't have to be that bloody, could be, but doesn't have to. My personal pet theory is because the capitalists are high on their own supply they might not be able to react in time or react at all. This lack of resistance might turn out to be the easy way out for them.
But I make no assumptions of how likely that is, possibly not at all.

>3) Nothing changes, the downward spiral continues and eventually, inevitably, leads to the destruction of Earth and most likely humanity with it. The current status quo is unsustainable and predestined for failure
While in principle I agree I do think we're talking a very long time-span imho. The energy budget of civilization is still quite minuscule compared to the total energy available. Sure there will be crisis, deep ones at that but nowhere near as severe as apocalyptic pop culture and the environmental movement (which has been co-opted by the bourgeois for a long time) would make it seem. Vat grown food under artificial light, Mass PV panels and arcologies can be built in capitalism too.
It would take a few unprecedented economic collapses till they figure out how to do it with exploitation intact but it wouldn't wipe out humanity or life on earth because at that scale negative feedback comes into play, acting as a self limiting factor for the crisis.
Frederick Drorringchut - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 18:14:24 EST tTnap6yB No.187298 Reply
jeff works harder and is smarter than anyone with less money.
Graham Broblinghood - Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:15:02 EST zv6Y9w8Q No.187299 Reply

Valid man this is just a weird and unique time but some of the historical similarities to dark times are present.

Global food supply is supposed to be fucked by 2050. That projection is with out industry advances and environmental changes so like a probable positive and a for sure negative. Its the one the UN uses at the very least
George Puddlechitch - Mon, 07 Sep 2020 06:45:19 EST /koWgFFp No.187477 Reply
>Global food supply
time to plant community gardens again?
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Fucking Bottingshit - Mon, 07 Sep 2020 07:12:26 EST vDyC4Tz3 No.187478 Reply
You don't have one?

Why are you waiting for permission?
Betsy Clullerham - Fri, 25 Sep 2020 01:20:50 EST 2F5Q/51p No.187774 Reply
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the dissonance between their up front "values" and how they really operate

Bezos is our generation's Henry Ford (not that thats a bad thing)
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Phoebe Fuckinglock - Tue, 29 Sep 2020 00:17:11 EST jIt5CLGm No.187814 Reply
>not that thats a bad thing

it's objectively a bad thing, both of those people are genuinely evil
Phoebe Fuckinglock - Tue, 29 Sep 2020 18:13:20 EST jIt5CLGm No.187825 Reply
Not to mention the idea of an assembly line that's misattributed to him is the apotheosis of capitalist alienation, whenever he's taught about in this shithole, it's always through the lens of "whoa that's kewl so many cars!" but the concept is actually actively driving workers insane. There's no way to be more alienated from the product of your labor than to only be responsible for one tiny little part of it. It's a disgusting concept designed only to benefit the ruling class and the expense of the rest of our souls. He, like all industrialists and billionaires, was an evil man. Also none too fond of the Jews and repeatedly praised Adolf Hitler.
Wesley Brendleshit - Tue, 29 Sep 2020 21:08:29 EST /K2PDpCF No.187832 Reply
>Also none too fond of the Jews and repeatedly praised Adolf Hitler.

CEO of Ford? More like CEO of Based!
George Bidgespear - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:01:58 EST aRAdhvmK No.187844 Reply
>There's no way to be more alienated from the product of your labor than to only be responsible for one tiny little part of it.
This is a natural consequence of industrialization. All of your contextual blabberjaw about billionaires and the Jewish conspiracy is nothing but snakeoil. You're no better than a witch doctor that invents evil spirits to explain lightning. If you're against industrialization, maybe try to express it without spitting venom at targets of convenience.
Rebecca Fuckinghood - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 12:00:37 EST 7Sw+CWaZ No.187845 Reply
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Also cows. He didn't like cows at all as he considered them inefficient.
Jack Demmlewater - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 12:29:39 EST xJxCDEB3 No.187847 Reply
Man he really got your goat when he dared to disrespect your plutocrat Nazi-sympathizing daddy figure, huh?
Frederick Puckleken - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 01:53:12 EST QI2NbYB5 No.187855 Reply
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>All of your contextual blabberjaw about billionaires and the Jewish conspiracy is nothing but snakeoil.
Ford was a raging antisemite, he required all his dealerships carry the paper >>187815 until like the 50s.

>If you're against industrialization
Capitalism was a necessary phase to develop the means of production, but it's been holding us back for well over a century.

In any case, some billionaire allocating .01% of the wealth he has stolen from the workers to do a slightly less harmful version of what he was going to do anyway does not justify the wealth he controls.
We could democratically allocate hundreds of times more labor to midigating climate change and developing clean industry if we cut Bezos and all the effort that goes into expanding his control of our labor out of the picture.
Reuben Gebblekadge - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 07:44:00 EST 9yKk6Th7 No.187857 Reply
I think it was more the sly antisemitism at the end, bud.
>Ford was a raging antisemite
What are you trying to prove by saying that? What is the exact point you're trying to make? Because when I hear, "I'm not an antisemite, I deplore bigotry, but here's a list of famous people and some quotes about hating jews" I feel as though I'm being stroked by someone right wing, so, if you're not doing that, sorry. If you are, don't stroke me. That shit doesn't work on adults.
Frederick Puckleken - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 08:47:08 EST QI2NbYB5 No.187865 Reply
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The perspective articles like OP are designed to produce is "We should continue to allocate 99% of the wealth we produce to the capitalist class and they will fix climate change out of their benevolence".

I am pointing how absurd this perspective is by highlighting out the conflict of interest between the capitalist class that has us using our labor to destroy the planet for their benefit and disseminate articles like OP and Ford's paper to maintain that arrangement.
Wesley Tillingworth - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 19:50:34 EST jIt5CLGm No.187877 Reply
>sly antisemitism at the end

what the fuck are you talking about dude? you throw around accusations of antisemitism against people you disagree with easier than a Blairite, to say anything I said at the end there is "antisemetic" is in and of itself antisemetic

I am a socialist, the ruling class to which I was referring is clearly the bourgeoisie. Ford was a member of it, a gentile, and a rabid antisemite to boot

There is no way that this accusation was made in good faith. Go fuck yourself you slimey fuck.
Wesley Tillingworth - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 19:53:22 EST jIt5CLGm No.187878 Reply
You too. Or learn to read. Which ever one it is that you need to do.
Phoebe Minnerforth - Thu, 01 Oct 2020 21:37:59 EST eTFgegmG No.187879 Reply
Yeah self-righteous bloo bloo, huh. So don't mention it if you don't want to talk about it. Don't bring it up, dummy.
Fanny Braffinglit - Wed, 07 Oct 2020 07:26:20 EST deg2Sw1y No.187968 Reply
We have a post office. Retail doesn't need to be a social service.
Graham Fanfuck - Wed, 07 Oct 2020 07:41:03 EST jJPunZyp No.187969 Reply
Because it'll be just as bad at its size nationalized or not.
Hannah Hackleridge - Thu, 08 Oct 2020 13:56:25 EST QI2NbYB5 No.187977 Reply
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Just like mail and healthcare, if it's nationalized, we can get better conditions for the workers and better service as the company leadership will be beholden to society rather than the profit of Jeff Bezos.

Breaking up the bell system just created regional monopolies that weren't governed by the same regulations such as universal service and a profit cap that applied to ma bell.
The baby bells proceeded to buy each other up and the overall effect was that instead of building better infrastructure or funding R&D, the revenue these companies made exploiting their local monopolies went directly into the shareholder's pockets.
Chinabot - Fri, 09 Oct 2020 11:25:39 EST opgwstY6 No.187988 Reply
lmao I'll take things that will never happen for $1.65T. Seriously doesn't even make any sense. Why would retail need to be socialized? How about something realistic like unionizing the workers? Bezos has a history of employing security contractors like SIS who have accusations against them such as experimenting on homeless people so I doubt it would happen but that is at least a real world preposition.

Here is an interview with a security contractor turned whistle blower exposing the scifi level of tech Bezos' cronies employed

Augustus Cumblefield - Sat, 10 Oct 2020 11:01:37 EST 6fkIdH4e No.188019 Reply

I don't disbelieve this stuff and the ideas are scary, but the idea of "all us smart and creative people being selected and experimented on with sketchy technology for some greater purpose" also sounds like a bunch of people with mental illness.
Edwin Chullyhall - Sat, 10 Oct 2020 16:30:30 EST zv6Y9w8Q No.188032 Reply
>also sounds like a bunch of people with mental illness.
Kind of sounds like the point. Personally I think its happening and the whole "we're special thats why its happening to us" is probably just a defense mechanism. As far as the greater purpose who the hell knows possibly individual reasons in each case or population/individual selected.

Imagine you're a rich asshole oligarch and you would like to change things about society. You could give homeless people full crazy in hopes they eliminate themselves while simultaneously studying the effects of progressive "mental illness" plus "yeah right they're just crazy homeless drug addicts". The government has also been developing neuroweapons for years. Possibly its some backdoor research program in the weaponization of novel medical technology ala government contractors.

The one thing that gets me about it is that many of the victims are otherwise sane individuals and report physical effects not associated with any mental illness such as ringing in the ears and pressure in the head much like the people at the US embassy in Havana. Oh wait never mind they all got brain damage from "crickets and pesticides"

Oliver Pickstock - Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:19:01 EST zv6Y9w8Q No.188104 Reply
Lmao idk BUT it is the nickname they gave to those in the Armys "New Earth Army experiment" which used MKUltra elements
Henry Brookspear - Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:32:54 EST xJxCDEB3 No.188108 Reply
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>The one thing that gets me about it is that many of the victims are otherwise sane individuals and report physical effects not associated with any mental illness such as ringing in the ears and pressure in the head much like the people at the US embassy in Havana.
It's not that hard to figure out.

The kind of Burger who chooses to work at a US embassy in an enemy country (especially a Latin American country) is the kind of person who is more than willing to lie for the pruposes of smearing official state enemies and furthering imperial ambitions in the area. At worst the people working in that embassy are outright spies and spooks with actual blood on their hands; at best they're enthusiatic water-carriers for imperialist propaganda and destabilisation.

Combine that with the well-documented phenomenon of Mass Psychogenic Illness and it's no mystery at all why "otherwise sane individuals" would be willing to play along with that shit.
Fucking Pengerpot - Sat, 17 Oct 2020 00:03:15 EST n1GNC4dt No.188115 Reply
>physical effects not associated with any mental illness such as ringing in the ears and pressure in the head

Oh god, you're on this board too. How about you just accept your bias because you believe this is happening to you personally. Nobody else except tinfoil cases would be willing to dismiss contrary evidence, it's just that since you believe the government is doing this to you personally you have no reason to explore the contrary.
Chinabot - Sat, 17 Oct 2020 10:50:58 EST zv6Y9w8Q No.188121 Reply
Interesting perspective. So in your opinion it wasnt actually the foreign country but the owners of the embassy.

The contrary "evidence" in the Havana embassy case is someone said it was probably crickets that caused the ringing in the ears. The supporting evidence is the TBI all the diplomats shared. If you're throwing around tinfoil cases I guess that leaves me having to say you're brainwashed if you dont believe that a study documenting unique TBI presents in the diplomats could be caused by something unknown to the public.

I never mentioned anything about myself but I have believed that microwave weapons were used in Havana when the news broke about it long before I knew of anything like it being used in settings other than political. I also used to think anyone who made claims of these weapons being used against them were crazy but whistle blowers have come out saying Amazon has employed private security that had used these devices on the homeless population near their facilities. It's not really as scifi as you think its basically a microwave with the door taken off lmao
Fucking Pengerpot - Sat, 17 Oct 2020 14:19:55 EST n1GNC4dt No.188126 Reply
>Amazon used microwaves on homeless population
If that was real, there'd be more than a couple whistle blowers. These are supposed to be highly classified government weapons. If some private security goons have them then it'd be something you could buy off of Amazon lol. This is a 2nd amendment nations; it's one thing to say the government has them but an entirely other thing to say private security has them. If that were the case, you could buy it in the free market or read advertisements about in your subscription to NRA monthly.
Chinabot - Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:30:03 EST zv6Y9w8Q No.188133 Reply
>If some private security goons have them then it'd be something you could buy off of Amazon lol.

How many guns can you buy off amazon buddy?

Do you really think people want that advertised? If the populace knew about it they would want it regulated. No one is going to be able to buy it and then it loses the mystique of being secret. If people actually believed you when you said you were being attacked with microwave weapons because they saw an advertisement for one they might as well just come up to you and punch you in the face.

It isn't an advanced concept at all dude. You can stick your head in the sand if you want but the matter of fact is that microwaves are not difficult to produce you probably have one in your house. The people who go into that line of work get off on the power, not exactly a whistle blower does that make.
Sophie Turveyhall - Sun, 18 Oct 2020 04:04:35 EST n1GNC4dt No.188135 Reply
I'm not sure I follow. I'm not saying that you can literally buy guns on Amazon, that was hyperbole. However, there would be ads for these weapons especially if private goons are using them. There are a million advertisement videos on youtube by weapons manufacturers for crowd dispersal devices, smoke bombs, flash bangs, noise guns you name it. The weapons enthusiast crowd which includes employers and security guys would know about, they have their own magazines that keep them up to date on the latest and greatest tech. You're talking about money, and that's what guns are: money. Nobody is walking around with a microwave weapon except maybe the government, certainly not private sector security goons.

I'm just trying to inject some common sense and logic into the conversation.
Hedda Ficklehall - Sun, 18 Oct 2020 07:04:10 EST DbC7oknk No.188143 Reply
>Do you really think people want that advertised?
If it's for sale it's advertised.
Chinabot - Sun, 18 Oct 2020 12:08:14 EST zv6Y9w8Q No.188148 Reply
I understand your logic but I disagree because the clandestine nature of these weapons are their appeal. I think that if people knew about them they would demand regulation and possible all out bans. The ability to do harm to others with little to no attribution is also the appeal. If someone was targeting you for some reason and you told them you were being hurt with microwave weapons they would just say you're crazy and you could possibly have a nice 72hour stay somewhere. If advertisement for these products took place in an open market the knowledge of their use would lessen their appeal.

Where are advertisements for illegal drugs, sex slaves, assassinations, extortion/black mail, chemical weapons? This list goes on. The black market is an economy of it's own. Really silly where are the advertisements for South American coups?

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