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Uighur holocaust in China

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- Mon, 20 Jul 2020 22:48:06 EST PmrmBY2z No.186524
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Drone footage of blindfolded and tied down Uighurs being transported into trains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQHVZ0sfVw0
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William Bunnerwan - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 00:48:16 EST 4scaaRdR No.186525 Reply
this has been common knowledge for years now, leaders are finally just calling it out. another atrocity committed by another government, add it to the list i guess
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George Fombledit - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 01:14:30 EST OjDeswRy No.186526 Reply
>>186525

Yeah but now there is like hardcore photos of these ``educational camps`` so bastards cant pretend to be unsure if it is happening or not. Its like when the documents and images of the american torture camps got leaked, people suddenly acted like they knew about it but didnt care even though they had been pretending it
was not happening. So its a big ass win.
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Hannah Fimmlewot - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 08:23:38 EST YcEJVaUz No.186530 Reply
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>>186524
Better conspiracy than the great replacement honestly
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Samuel Gurringspear - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 09:41:21 EST o/EPpoFr No.186531 Reply
>>186530
It is common among the wealthy of developed nations to have low birthrates. Hence why most developed countries have high immigration to supply the economy with the labor it needs. The Japanese have attempted to go with robots though.

China as a whole will suffer similar demographic decline due to the legacy of its on child policy which might explain the data from Xinjiang. However Xinjiang is very much a developing region of a developing country so one would rationally assume that the birthrate is being suppressed one way or another.
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Rebecca Cliblingwell - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:06:51 EST RTrwgnrZ No.186537 Reply
>>186531

Western nations should have state provided childcare, free education from the earliest stages, and monetary incentives to drive up birthrates rather than importing Somalians to live in Minnesota.
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Shitting Sacklewone - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:22:03 EST w7c6q3ko No.186538 Reply
>>186537
>
>Western nations should have state provided childcare, free education from the earliest stages, and monetary incentives to drive up birthrates
Hell yeah
>rather than importing Somalians to live in Minnesota.
Why not stop at better schools? Why do you have to turn a good idea into some garbage?
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Eugene Billinghood - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:33:49 EST yDNkyLP6 No.186539 Reply
>>186537
Pretty much all the leftist parties across Europe said that back in the '60s and '70s when this corporate desire for guest workers started, but rightwing parties said "Nope!".

All this labour immigration was started by rightwing parties across West-Europe, the same parties that cry and complain aboutr the labour immigrants THEY THEMSELVES brought to the country 50 something years ago.
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Graham Crunningcocke - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:24:45 EST fxZPTs+O No.186541 Reply
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probably terrorists, uighers made up the bulk of isis recruits to the extent that they were basically throwaway soldiers to the arabs and europeans (yes, really) who were in charge.

america just bombs weddings and hospitals thousands of miles away. they're thoughtful enough to do it far away from where the american people can see it.

btw, sunni oil states are funding the shit out of anti-china propaganda in the US because of their friendliness to iran and syria and because they offer a genuinely more benevolent alternative hegemonic presence to african nations and powerful enough to be independent if still pushed around Arab nations such as Iraq and Egypt (who the gulf oil sheiks also hate).
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Graham Crunningcocke - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:30:16 EST fxZPTs+O No.186543 Reply
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>>186531
For a long time the one child policy applied exclusively to Han Chinese. That changed under Xi (in fact, the one child policy is now a two child policy) as it became universally enforced. some uigher activists argue that this is genocide, but it is very odd for a genocidaire to impose the same restrictions on their own population as they are on their victim population.
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Graham Crunningcocke - Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:51:17 EST fxZPTs+O No.186546 Reply
>>186544
idk i feel like i'm pretty emotionally neutral and sticking to facts and logic vs you the person using circlejerk tier propaganda memes
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Shit Suvingdale - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:38:46 EST GYsJBwcY No.186552 Reply
>>186546
Calling families in internment camps "terrorists" is 2003 Bush admin tier lunacy, you're not fooling anybody.
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Graham Crunningcocke - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:28:02 EST fxZPTs+O No.186556 Reply
>>186552
>families in internment camps

first the western yellow press told me that the people in the camps were separated from their families. now they're with their families?

hey wait a second, are you sure you're not describing so-called "immigrant detention facilities" in america? those are explicitly designed to be as brutal as possible so as to deter "illegal immigration," which, incidentally, is the same idea behind american mass incarceration (america, not china, leads the world in incarceration rates) and the ill treatment (toleration of sexual assault, CO abuse, etc.) of american prisoners (predominantly, incidentally, black people - the result of disproportionate policing and having the dissolution of the black nuclear family as a consequence).

you and I could both agree that the chinese communist party is heavy-handed and authoritarian, and that its approach is counter-productive toward its own selected aim of counter-terrorism. but you have to understand, after iraq, why we should be on guard about claims of foreign powers' apparently unique and barbarous treatment of people, and understand that sometimes there are groups who want to lead us into conflicts and will lie to us in order to do so. kuwait's lies about babies being thrown out of incubators by invading iraqi troops, for example, which lead to the US wiping out Iraq's (conscripted) military and killing 150,000 Iraqi troops, and at the tail end of the war, retreating Iraqi troops.

and then, ten or so years later, the US itself lies about iraq and invades, killing another 150,000 Iraqis (mostly civilians) from collateral damage, and killing over a million as a result of infrastructure destruction and lingering environmental effects of war (including the use of depleted uranium munitions).
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Fucking Hovingbon - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:32:39 EST OjDeswRy No.186557 Reply
>>186556

None of that compares to genocide gtfo with that bullshit
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Augustus Cavingdure - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:34:04 EST GetU3kJC No.186558 Reply
>>186556
It's weird to see a literal genuine paid shill in the wild.
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Graham Crunningcocke - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:11:24 EST fxZPTs+O No.186559 Reply
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>>186557
what genocide? i've disputed this claim and received no argument in response, just circlejerk-tier propaganda image macros and sheer emotion. if the re-education camps are evidence of a genocide, this is either the slowest genocide ever, or the least effective, so which is it?

note that uigher membership in extremist groups including ISIS is very real and that ISIS has threatened the PRC before (https://www.ft.com/content/ddeb5872-ff1f-11e6-96f8-3700c5664d30) so it's not like the PRC is doing this simply because it is very, very, evil, which is what some excessively naive people here seem to think.

>>186558
not an argument, also poisoning the well, very nice. at this point "shill" needs a cat planet of its own because right-wing retards online can't stop accusing everyone of being one.
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Augustus Cavingdure - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:19:40 EST GetU3kJC No.186560 Reply
>>186559
People aren't engaging with you because you're very, very, very obviously acting in bad faith.
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Graham Crunningcocke - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:25:33 EST fxZPTs+O No.186561 Reply
>>186560
the only "bad faith" in this thread (i trust you do not know what "bad faith" actually means but are using it because it's a political buzzword of this era) is the accusation that i'm a paid shill for disputing lies spun by routine and self-admitted liars in the US government and its propaganda arms.
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Augustus Cavingdure - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:32:20 EST GetU3kJC No.186562 Reply
>>186561
>okay but muh terrorists
>USA bad stop talking about China
If you're sincere, these aren't the cogent points that you think they are.
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Graham Crunningcocke - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:46:17 EST fxZPTs+O No.186563 Reply
>>186562
absolutely talk about china, but don't lie in the state department's interest. the way china handles its counter-terrorism campaign is not how a libertarian socialist society would handle it, and that deserves to be clarified. but the claims of a "uigher holocaust" are obviously falsehoods spun up by foggy bottom.
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Fanny Honeywater - Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:19:13 EST qPbFZDTy No.186567 Reply
I don't know, not that American media is great, but it seems like if something was going on a real news outlet would have reported on it.

Like I hope it's not happening, and if it does I agree it's wrong.

But just knowing a minimal amount of information about American disinformation campaigns, this whole thing screams CIA.
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Doris Sizzlechotch - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:36:50 EST XvBhi+Gt No.186570 Reply
I have to admit the Chinese ambassador's answer was pretty spot on. Transporting prisoners. Makes sense
User is currently banned from all boards
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Doris Sizzlechotch - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:55:13 EST XvBhi+Gt No.186573 Reply
>>186571
Fuck em. When in Rome, do as the Romans do
User is currently banned from all boards
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Barnaby Sottingtadge - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 06:50:24 EST 89BDuEJt No.186576 Reply
>>186573
People like you open your mouths and vomit shit like
>Fuck em. When in Rome, do as the Romans do
And then when the black folks burn down your cities you say
>OH NOOO HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN IT'S ALMOST LIKE THERE'S A SOCIAL ORDER WE HAVE TO OBEY THAT'S GREATER THAN LAW OR DEMOGRAPHICS
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Edward Sushbure - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 08:44:33 EST fxZPTs+O No.186577 Reply
>>186571
>cuffed and on their knees, blind folded and shaven

standard practice for prisoners in china.

the hair in the article is not human hair, the allegation was that uigher labor made synthetic weaves (surprise surprise, uighers have jobs! 60% of american office furniture is made by federal inmates for pennies on the hour, by the way).

more FAKE NEWS from foggy bottom. why do you folks feel such a need to lie about china?
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Barnaby Sottingtadge - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 08:47:05 EST 89BDuEJt No.186578 Reply
>>186577
>standard practice for prisoners in china.
Nonsense.
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Edward Sushbure - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 08:49:23 EST fxZPTs+O No.186579 Reply
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>>186578
except it literally is. china has a different disciplinary culture than we do here.
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Barnaby Sottingtadge - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 08:55:02 EST 89BDuEJt No.186580 Reply
>>186579
Fuck off dipshit I know better. I deal with research on human traffickers. Prisoners are not routinely shaved, and transported in leg irons on their knees blindfolded. The custody experience in China is generally about the same as the custody experience in America is, generally. Sell bullshit elsewhere, our stores are full here.
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Shitting Bunderbit - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 11:59:15 EST odEWg5xh No.186582 Reply
>>186581
You're suggesting this extreme example proves your point, but the fact that you had to reach this far to find an example proves that your point is nonsense.
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Edward Sushbure - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:36:19 EST fxZPTs+O No.186583 Reply
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>>186580
>I deal with research on human traffickers

yeah? what CIA front groups do you help with human trafficking?

I'm obviously not going to take your word that this isn't routine for inmate transport for granted. I can do a google image search from before the reports of Chinese re-education camps in Xinjiang came out and find a number of photographs with Chinese prisoners all with their heads shaved, some with mass kneeling. I don't find the blindfolds particularly sinister, either.
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Frederick Clenkinpitch - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:44:48 EST GetU3kJC No.186584 Reply
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>>186583
We get that you don't think putting people in camps is bad.
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Edward Sushbure - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:59:01 EST fxZPTs+O No.186585 Reply
>>186584
Re-education camps are bad enough in their own right, you don't have to make shit up about them and then decry anyone who disputes these lies as being on the side of the perpetrators. The US foreign policy setters want to cut China down to size. We shouldn't let them. The US does not have the moral authority to do so. Everything China does, the US does, except deploy real 5G and go over 100 mph by train.
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William Shakeville - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:02:21 EST dZDaQqJv No.186586 Reply
>>186583
> what CIA front groups do you help with human trafficking?

Templarios de Michoacan, which is just a cartel despite the grandiose name and zealous rhetoric. Direct ties and funding to the far right Evangelical organization known as "the Fellowship" (formerly "the Family", which was the center of the C street scandal over a decade ago). Both organizations gained power and prominence during the height of the Bush years. The Templars received many of the arms from operation Fast and Furious and have been under the radar for a long time while their competitors have been made public enemy #1. Many of the Templars are also military or police who have been invited to the US to train at the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (formerly the School of the Americas). It's really transparent if you understand the politics and culture of where both organizations are located. There are layers of bureaucracy and obfuscation to this kind of shit.
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Shitting Bunderbit - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:37:36 EST odEWg5xh No.186590 Reply
>>186583
Disease research you mong.

It's not. There are international observers on the ground continually verifying the conditions of the world's prisons.
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Edward Sushbure - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:16:29 EST fxZPTs+O No.186593 Reply
>>186590
Everything that I've seen suggests the video of prisoner transport is routine, standard, practice, nothing especially sinister. It is especially common to blindfold prisoners accused/convicted of terrorist organizing, so as to prevent escape attempts.

and, oh, would you look at that: you can buy blindfolds for prisoners online in the USA!
https://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/capture-blindfold/

>>186591
CCP would never sponsor someone saying multiple times that re-education camps are a bad enough thing to not warrant lying about. We can be critical of the CCP and their policies on minorities while not lying through our teeth about it.
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Shitting Bunderbit - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:28:31 EST odEWg5xh No.186594 Reply
>>186593
Ok, so you're saying it's routine for transportation

of

terrorists.

...

So in other words, not routine as a means of transporting prisoners, as terrorists would make up a sliver of a percent. Jesus christ you're tedious, what kind of morons actually entertain these dumb shit assertions of yours?
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Charlotte Ponnerbid - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:30:55 EST OjDeswRy No.186595 Reply
>>186593

Which lies have been told exactly? And how is it supposed to look better if its common practice?

>So this footage of blindfolded prisoners being put into trains in this region where they oppress the minority and put them and their children into camps, is actually nothing to worry about because this is standard
practice of the authoritarian regime on anyone in their way

This is what you sound like.
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Rebecca Murdham - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:31:24 EST QI2NbYB5 No.186596 Reply
>>186593
>re-education camps are a bad enough thing
I mean they're better than prisons designed simply to cause suffering, I'd rather be in a Chinese reeducation camp than federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison, an ICE camp, CIA site, or army-run rape-torture-murder prison like Bagram or Abu Gharib.
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Rebecca Murdham - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:32:47 EST QI2NbYB5 No.186597 Reply
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>>186593
>re-education camps are a bad enough thing
I mean they're better than prisons designed simply to cause suffering, I'd rather be in a Chinese reeducation camp than federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison, an ICE camp, CIA site, or army-run rape-torture-murder prison like Bagram or Abu Gharib.
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Charlotte Ponnerbid - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:57:08 EST OjDeswRy No.186600 Reply
>>186597

Strange how it seems you feel compelled to make a choice.
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Oliver Chullershaw - Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:21:37 EST pjSfU+g+ No.186601 Reply
>>186597
>I'd rather be in a Chinese reeducation camp

I sincerely doubt you would.
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Martha Pummlesid - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:07:27 EST GW1axdWk No.186604 Reply
>>186524
>All OPs of thread should include a link to the source of the news. The source should be a reputable and verifiable news outlet.
Apparently this rule doesn't apply to Trumptard youtube channels posting CIA talking points and boomer tinfoil.

But thanks, OP, for letting me know that the same people comparing Xinjiang to the Holocaust are the same people who think BLM are the real racists and that covid masks are a hoax. In other words, the sort of people who think tiny contextless video clips from Youtube tinfoil channels are a "reputable and verifiable new outlet".
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David Bungold - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:23:25 EST PmrmBY2z No.186606 Reply
>>186604

I have no idea what you are even talking about but the BBC and VICE has reported on it a lot but i guess they are just racists too because china can do no wrong and its just the CIA trolling everyone or whatever right?
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Charles Pissleham - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:46:45 EST tPJlrV+0 No.186608 Reply
>>186606
Journos are the Spooks tho. At Least BBC and RT are overt in such regards.
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Eliza Sunningstock - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:53:31 EST bsRuiR8k No.186609 Reply
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>>186608
>yeah but your media you mentioned is ALL LIES
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Charles Pissleham - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:07:08 EST tPJlrV+0 No.186610 Reply
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>>186609
>I'm going ignore project mockingbird
Joe Rogan , while compromised, manages to be a better newsman. They get due respect.
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Simon Bliblingfut - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:11:59 EST GetU3kJC No.186611 Reply
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>>186610
>The CIA controls every media outlet in the world! It's all lies! Fuck!
I can pointlessly position you as absurd, too.
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Eliza Sunningstock - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:12:09 EST bsRuiR8k No.186612 Reply
>>186610
>no, it's REALLY LIES, ALL. OF IT
>look at my mainstream media that is totally not comped
๐Ÿค”
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Martha Pummlesid - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:13:18 EST GW1axdWk No.186613 Reply
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>>186606
>I have no idea what you are even talking about
Yeah dude you just innocently stumbled upon a far-right channel with less then 300 subscribers. Just a pure coincidence that this racebaiting tinfoil Trumpist crank with no internet presence happened to fall into your lap as your primary source. And at the same time that Trump is trying to use China as a scapegoat to distract from his disastrous Covid response, and the same time that the prison-industrial complex is trying to use China to distract from the explosion of your country's fascist police state.

What a wild coincidence.

>but the BBC and VICE has reported on it a lot
You say this and yet you chose to use a <300 sub Trumptard youtube channel as your source.

Almost as if this story is deliberately being used to target a particular sector of the American public, by exploiting their knee-jerk xenophobia and desperation to blame foreigners for their country falling apart.

And it didn't occur to you to whitewash this right-wing shit through a respectable neolib outlet like BBC or VICE, because you didn't expect anyone to actually check your garbage youtube source.
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Eliza Sunningstock - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:17:54 EST bsRuiR8k No.186615 Reply
>>186613
Dude ๐Ÿ‘ it's ๐Ÿ‘ so ๐Ÿ‘ goddam ๐Ÿ‘ fake ๐Ÿ‘ just ๐Ÿ‘ stop ๐Ÿ‘
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Cedric Pickbury - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:23:43 EST kcRzzLRa No.186619 Reply
>>186618
>I am not even american dude.
Nobody's buying it, Langley. ๐Ÿ‘
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David Bungold - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:27:38 EST PmrmBY2z No.186622 Reply
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>>186619

Nobody has to buy it, this is not even a issue to be bought or not. If i am american or not, it means nothing except i just thought he should know so that he knows how silly he sounds.
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Martha Pummlesid - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:34:11 EST GW1axdWk No.186623 Reply
>>186615
>Dude ๐Ÿ‘ it's ๐Ÿ‘ so ๐Ÿ‘ goddam ๐Ÿ‘ fake
Damn go off, king, maybe the clip is totally fake.

I mean I would have suspected that it's just missing context or simply being framed dishonestly, or is being used as part of an overall greater decades-long campaign of disinformation of using scary foreigners to trick gormless American hilbillies.

But you're right, maybe it's all just completely fake. I wasn't going that far but you make a compelling case that the OP clip is so goddamn fake.

>Also, jore rogan and ben shapiro discuss china and this includes the camps
Ahh yes, the CTE conspiracy theorist who platforms flat-earthers, and the neoconservative propagandist who thinks Muslims are disgusting bugs who live in sewage.

With luminaries such as these, how could anyone be suspicious that this is just far-right fearmongering for reactionary dipshits?
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David Bungold - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:40:49 EST PmrmBY2z No.186626 Reply
>>186623

>how could anyone be suspicious that this is just far-right fearmongering for reactionary dipshits?

You could dismiss all coverage about it as conspiracy. That is how you would do it but it would make you look silly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Shla50pRxA

Oh no, looks like the french are in on this american propoganda effort to brainwash people too!
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Hugh Cemmlewill - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:41:43 EST OjDeswRy No.186631 Reply
>>186630

Yes. It's all a big conspiracy. If it's a capitalist country, it means they are lying.
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Simon Blatherworth - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:48:42 EST MFpQuMk6 No.186632 Reply
>>186626
The French have been doing colonialism, warmongering and propaganda for centuries. Their imperial capitalist greed in East Asia is the whole reason you dumb fatties got owned in Vietnam based on a false flag. They are, historically, one of the world champions of using underhanded means to further selfish exploitative geopolitical ends.

Knowing all that, what made you think that going "lol france" would help any?
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Hugh Cemmlewill - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:50:58 EST OjDeswRy No.186633 Reply
>>186632

I told you already, not American, and I already know that you will just dismiss everything from anyone in any place as conspiracy. I just wanted to see it because it's funny.
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Martha Pummlesid - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:59:30 EST GW1axdWk No.186634 Reply
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>>186632
>what made you think that going "lol france" would help any?
American neocons and boomers and CIA agents like OP are still stuck in the early-2000s mindset where the French are super-mega-communists and arch-villians of America because they refused to go along with the Iraq War that one time.

He's hoping that our brains respond like some bumblefuck grandma is Shithole, Iowa, where we see "France" = "anti-American" = "left-wing", and therefore "both sides" agree on the need to start WWIII with China or whatever his ultimate goal is.

The problem is that a board full of anti-authoritarians, Canadians and Eurofags doesn't react the same predictable way as his lead-poisoned countrymen, so pointing to France's state-owned media as some unbiased source for why we're always at war with Eastasia doesn't land the same way he was probably expecting.
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Albert Pocklemock - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:11:46 EST UKckgIU0 No.186635 Reply
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Daily reminder that just because western countries are corrupt and shitty doesn't mean china isn't either and that it's ok to criticize them which shouldn't be a problem unless you're a literal shill or groundbreakingly enthusiastic.
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Hugh Cemmlewill - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:16:55 EST OjDeswRy No.186636 Reply
>>186634

The result is pretty much funny so expectations were met.
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Nigel Bessleshaw - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:17:42 EST ojQNRDhS No.186638 Reply
Omg literally who gives a shit
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David Bungold - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:22:34 EST PmrmBY2z No.186639 Reply
>>186635

I doubt you have to remind anyone of that. Nobody in their right mind would think they have to make a choice between supporting one crime over the other and only someone absent from their
of head would consider the Uighur prison camps a conspiracy to fool people against china. I even doubt they themselves even believe what they are saying here.
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David Nankinham - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:23:22 EST fxZPTs+O No.186640 Reply
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>>186594
Epic nitpicking. Notice, you disengaged entirely from the point being made, which is that there's nothing particularly sinister about blindfolds being worn during prisoner transfers, especially when security is a major concern (as it would be in a province targeted by terrorists including ISIS).

>>186595
I've never said it's nothing to worry about. Authoritarianism is bad wherever it's practiced. The point is, even accepting that, we should point out when lies are being told about our government's official enemies, because our government propagates these lies in the interest of manufacturing consent for wars and the imposition of suffering onto innocent people.

pic unrelated
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Henry Pablingbotch - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:59:32 EST GYsJBwcY No.186642 Reply
>>186640
>t-t-terrorists
you'd never hold these standards to America's human rights violations
50 won have been deposited into your account
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David Nankinham - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:03:00 EST fxZPTs+O No.186644 Reply
>>186642
That's not an argument, Mr. Pompeo. Prisoner transit is decidedly not a human rights violation.
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Fucking Lightstock - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:09:18 EST GYsJBwcY No.186649 Reply
>>186644
abu ghraib confirmed for not a war crime
50 won have been deposited into your account
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Lillian Pittman - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:33:06 EST fxZPTs+O No.186651 Reply
>>186649
Yeah, Mike, the worst thing that went on at Abu Gharib were the fucking blindfolds. Are you serious?
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Phyllis Sigglewell - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 22:32:56 EST QI2NbYB5 No.186654 Reply
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The reason western abuses of prisoners were brought up was to illustrate that the powers that are behind this have no interest in the humane treatment of prisoners.
They are using this to create local popular support for ultimately unrelated actions such as sanctions, embargo, or war.
In such a case they would publicize flimsy evidence that supports their claim while ignoring/suppressing evidence that opposes it as again, whether the prisoners are being treated humanely or getting genocided is irrelevant to the equations.

Similar to evidence about Iraqi WMDs in 2002, we can't prove that this is or isn't happening, but we can definitely see that there's a lot of bullshit getting passed around, amplified by the people who trust sources that would be passing around bullshit whether there was evidence Iraq was about to develop nukes/drones/chemical weapons/biological weapons/etc.
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Polly Wemblestire - Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:04:17 EST OjDeswRy No.186655 Reply
>>186654

>still insisting its all a conspiracy

Because you care so much about prisoners right?
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Phyllis Sigglewell - Sat, 25 Jul 2020 02:48:13 EST QI2NbYB5 No.186659 Reply
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>>186655
Considering the history and interests of a source to measure the credibility of its claims and interpretation of evidence is not a conspiracy.

>Because you care so much about prisoners right?
Well yeah, I support prison abolition, what's your point?
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Polly Wemblestire - Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:07:10 EST OjDeswRy No.186662 Reply
>>186659

The point is that its well known now what the CCP is doing with the minority and it just doesn't make any sense to dismiss it by pointing at the iraq war. Therefore i do not think
you care about prisoners, i think you just want to hate on america 24/7 and stuff like a Uighur getting thrown into camps on massive scale must not steal the spot light.
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Lillian Pittman - Sat, 25 Jul 2020 11:38:16 EST fxZPTs+O No.186670 Reply
>>186662
We know what the CCP is doing well enough to know that you and the US government which you wittingly or not are repeating here are lying about the camps and the treatment of national minorities in China.
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Fucking Lightstock - Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:39:23 EST GYsJBwcY No.186671 Reply
>>186651
>the worst thing that goes on in the "internment" camps are the fucking blindfolds.
50 won have been deposited into your account
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Fucking Lightstock - Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:41:42 EST GYsJBwcY No.186672 Reply
>>186670
your only arguments have been calling people neocons lol
just quit already before you get banned
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Lillian Pittman - Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:44:31 EST fxZPTs+O No.186673 Reply
>>186671
Well that seems to be the argument being presented. What are the documented atrocities that have been captured by multiple independent observers, rather than relayed by coached defectors or CIA/MI6 front groups?
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Albert Buzzlenidge - Sat, 25 Jul 2020 16:56:56 EST NPtSOLcE No.186677 Reply
>>186673
So many dishonest lies. Just lie after lie after lie.
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Hugh Pibblebodge - Sat, 25 Jul 2020 21:05:02 EST 3C/C81og No.186681 Reply
>>186673

>rather than relayed by coached defectors or CIA/MI6 front groups?

Everything that shows any of what you ask is just dismissed as that on your whim.
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Clara Sinkinpore - Sun, 26 Jul 2020 01:26:02 EST fxZPTs+O No.186684 Reply
>>186681
It's not a whim, it's that that's literally what the "proof" of "genocide" in Xinjiang amounts to time after time.
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Hugh Pibblebodge - Sun, 26 Jul 2020 01:33:11 EST 3C/C81og No.186685 Reply
>>186684

of course there is no proof if all sources are dismissed as a conspiracy involving the CIA
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Rebecca Cidgelare - Sun, 26 Jul 2020 04:58:22 EST QI2NbYB5 No.186694 Reply
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>>186685
No one is claiming there is a conspiracy, we don't need any parts of this secretly working together.
It's as simple as journalists and the state department cherrypicking evidence and witnesses to support the narrative that benefits them while ignoring evidence and witnesses that confound that narrative.

This is why we get grainy satellite images with random buildings labeled, interviews by a guy who literally runs a cult with no mention of who he is, all taken at face value without any investigation into the validity of the evidence or credibility of the witnesses.
We see the same thing with NK every few months where someone who runs a clickbait site, is literally paid to interview, or risks deportation/imprisonment claims they've executed a gov't official with an aircraft gun or banned red lipstick, and journalists report it despite the poor credibility of the source.

Compared to the endless strong evidence of say, animal cruelty in slaughterhouses, something that's literally a felony to film without permission and pursued by armies of lawyers, abuses by ICE despite armed guards, torture at abu gharib with <10,000 people, and various blacksites with even fewer, for a claim of camps genociding millions of Uighurs, we should expect better evidence than a 3 year old youtube video without any context.
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Rebecca Cidgelare - Sun, 26 Jul 2020 09:41:29 EST QI2NbYB5 No.186697 Reply
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>>186695
Fuck Nike and Apple, and fuck China for subsidizing the profits of already profitable companies, but a post-incarceration work/education program and grift isn't exactly genocide.
The article doesn't explain how workers are compelled to keep the jobs.


The emergence of a prison-industrial complex and practice of paying companies to hire workers is concerning.
My own state literally agreed to pay Boeing the salaries of all employees of a factory for four years in addition to other concessions in exchange for building it exactly where they were going to build it anyway.
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Polly Dezzleson - Sun, 26 Jul 2020 11:41:49 EST npFdkyYa No.186698 Reply
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>>186694
>We see the same thing with NK every few months
Are you implying that North Korea's necromancers are just a propaganda fabrication?

You un-American traitor, I want to speak with your manager.
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Clara Sinkinpore - Sun, 26 Jul 2020 13:25:29 EST fxZPTs+O No.186710 Reply
>>186685
As I have said numerous times, there are criticisms to make of the camps. You are simply not making them. You are repeating lies told by Mike Pompeo, a self-admitted liar who shouldn't be trusted as far as he can be thrown.

What is going on in Xinjiang is standard fare for capitalist development, and it is all being done in the name of capitalist development. Analysis from Chuang is going to be better than the analysis given by the likes of Radio Free Asia:
http://chuangcn.org/journal/two/spirit-breaking/
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Oliver Wittinghall - Sun, 26 Jul 2020 14:30:42 EST 9OGzBMgh No.186714 Reply
>>186710
>forcing Muslim prisoners to eat pork
>forced marches
>just capitalist development
What you don't realize is that you can't give other governments permission to do this to their prisoners by D O W N P L A Y I N G their crimes and D E F L E C T I N G scrutiny onto someone else.
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Fanny Pinnerpedge - Sun, 26 Jul 2020 21:08:58 EST 3C/C81og No.186720 Reply
>>186694

My ass. First its a right wing conspiracy, and when vice reports on it too, then its a CIA conspiracy. When the french reported on it, oh yeah it is still a CIA conspiracy but now pompeo has something to do with it too it seems.

So what about the china cables i wonder? Is the icij a conspiracy too?

https://www.icij.org/investigations/china-cables/
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Angus Farringpirk - Sun, 26 Jul 2020 23:46:32 EST fxZPTs+O No.186721 Reply
>>186714
Uh, yes, the destruction of native cultures and their replacement by a forged nationalist mythos is indeed a noteworthy process in all developing capitalist societies, and it's exactly what's happening in Xinjiang. That's not downplaying or deflecting anything. That's the raw facts. The fact that our societies are converging on similar authoritarian policies is something that concerns us, but pretending that China is uniquely heinous in this regard deflects and downplays the authoritarianism you and I can expect here, and which we have to fight.

>>186720
Didn't those people get found to be deliberately mistranslating Chinese to English? That's a pretty common thing in anti-communist China scholarship.
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Walter Singerway - Mon, 27 Jul 2020 01:50:37 EST Cq2KItS/ No.186723 Reply
>>186721

>fighting authoritarianism
>don't listen to journalists about crimes of authority because it's all CIA or mistranslations
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Angus Farringpirk - Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:01:33 EST fxZPTs+O No.186740 Reply
>>186727
>>186723
Pompeo dick riders love nothing more than to lie, and as you see here they are even lying about what I've said throughout the thread. Very sad!
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Charlotte Pinnerkedge - Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:03:03 EST vDyC4Tz3 No.186741 Reply
>>186740
>NO ITS LIES EVEN THE LIES ARE LIES AIWJDNCNDMEK
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Nell Clobblelut - Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:30:19 EST QcmunLoD No.186743 Reply
>>186740
Are you the guy who has openly admitted that /n/ is the easiest board to troll and that he just makes up whatever to get people going
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Edwin Hebberbury - Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:52:22 EST AJ4ccTeU No.186744 Reply
>>186739
Right on cue. Does these assholes realize what a bunch of hypocrites they are?
Why dont their bleeding hearts never seem to notice all the people affected for all the wars they are spreading around the world?
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Caroline Shakeville - Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:35:41 EST GYsJBwcY No.186749 Reply
>>186744
yeah, random late night talk show host is totally responsible for the war in iraq
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George Huddlekodge - Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:38:41 EST snQLimnZ No.186750 Reply
>>186744
China really started going after the Uighurs hard during the post 9-11 coalition of the willing. There were even a bunch that were taken to Guantanamo then released but China refused them reentry into the country so they had to be repatriated elsewhere. The US didn't give them citizenship either even though they are the ones that removed them from their homes. They are one in the same issue, it's not an either or thing.
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Walter Singerway - Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:46:23 EST Cq2KItS/ No.186751 Reply
>>186749

Perhaps he means people who discuss crimes against humanity. Discussing that is apparently not moral i suppose.
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Sophie Blosslewotch - Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:08:11 EST 718H7P6n No.186761 Reply
>>186524
So apparently this video is:
  1. Had already been in the news a year ago.
  2. Showing a regular prison transfer, not a reeducation camp. The Chinese characters at the back of the police vests are ๅ–€ไป€ๅธ‚็œ‹ๅฎˆๆ‰€, or Kashgar Remand Prison, which is a regular prison for the typical criminal detainees.

So this awful thread is premised on a single YouTube link of a contextless video clip showing old "news" from an insignificant Trump propaganda farm that lied about its contents.

This thread breaks pretty much every rule on /n/ and is just a bunch of spergs yelling at each other over nothing. Garbage thread.

nb
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Fucking Sillershit - Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:02:40 EST Cq2KItS/ No.186768 Reply
>>186761

You think it takes much for those Uighurs to be arrested and sentenced to prison over there with the CCP calling the shots? Regular prison my ass.
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Graham Buzzfuck - Wed, 29 Jul 2020 05:25:05 EST O4IqC8Qe No.186785 Reply
>>186749
Rumsfeld was the main spokesperson. Look at what trump said back when, to steal their oil. He wasn't even a politician. He still isn't today.
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Graham Gabbleford - Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:19:49 EST GYsJBwcY No.186801 Reply
>>186785
got your political awakening in 2016?

>Donald Henry Rumsfeld (born July 9, 1932) is an American former politician. Rumsfeld served as Secretary of Defense from 1975 to 1977 under Gerald Ford, and again from January 2001 to December 2006 under George W. Bush.[2] He is both the youngest and the second-oldest person to have served as Secretary of Defense. Additionally, Rumsfeld was a three-term U.S. Congressman from Illinois (1963โ€“69), director of the Office of Economic Opportunity (1969โ€“70), counsellor to the president (1969โ€“73), the United States Permanent Representative to NATO (1973โ€“74), and White House Chief of Staff (1974โ€“75). Between his terms as Secretary of Defense, he served as the CEO and chairman of several companies.

>Rumsfeld was appointed Secretary of Defense for a second time in January 2001 by President George W. Bush. As Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld played a central role in the invasion of Afghanistan and invasion of Iraq.

rumsfeld was not "some random talk show host", he was appointed to the highest echelons of governance.
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Phoebe Fuckinglock - Tue, 29 Sep 2020 00:14:57 EST jIt5CLGm No.187813 Reply
what the fuck is with the comments on that video what shit hole was this shared on lmaooo
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Henry Ginninghood - Wed, 30 Sep 2020 06:18:04 EST qNOpUh4u No.187840 Reply
>>186801
He'd probably be considered a war criminal too if anyone had the power to hold the USA to account.
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Cornelius Tootbury - Fri, 02 Oct 2020 05:31:18 EST pDiy7RwK No.187891 Reply
China is getting too big for its boots....
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Edwin Ciblingford - Wed, 07 Oct 2020 16:46:19 EST K5s8KCyz No.187970 Reply
>>186785
>Rumsfeld was the main spokesperson. Look at what trump said back when, to steal their oil. He wasn't even a politician. He still isn't today.
I know I am answering to troll so I don't even bother so fuck you
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Shit Suzzleworth - Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:17:23 EST 23mwZvl9 No.188079 Reply
>>186631
> Points to long historical record of capitalist countries lying and conspiring together.
> "Yes. It's all a big conspiracy. If it's a capitalist country, it means they are lying."

The common liberal refrain: "Just because socialists have always been correct doesn't mean they're correct this time!"
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Xinnie the Pooh - Tue, 20 Oct 2020 06:25:12 EST S/ld5FwN No.188181 Reply
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Thanks for ruining MULAN, Disney....

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