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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)


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- Fri, 05 Feb 2016 03:36:43 EST c1bitnvv No.42139
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Getting a new gun. It's between the keltec ksg or the taurus judge 410/45 snubnose, not decided if I want the polymer frame or blue finish. I need help deciding what I want. I have pistols and multiple ar builds but no shotgun. However I am really digging everything about the judge. What would you choose and why, thanks.
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Phineas Gemblechat - Tue, 09 Feb 2016 02:01:28 EST IP4ieYsI No.42165 Reply
KSG is a shit design from a shit company. Waste of money. Don't be wooed. All those hyper capacity space shotguns are terrible. Good luck getting it to even cycle. Let alone all the deign flaws.

Taurus is a meh company and the Judge is a gimmick.

I've had a lot of experience with the Judge/Bull/Raging whatever.

First off, I hate these fucking things because they are ricochet fucking bee sting fucking fucks. I've never shot a Judge or variant without being hit with ricochets. Unless you are shooting it straight into the air, you are going to be hit with something. Birdshot always comes right back at you but typically doesn't do much. The spread is so hilariously huge it is impossible to do anything with it. You literally can't shoot clay pidgeons hand thrown because there isn't enough shot coming out of .410, there isn't enough speed build up and the barrel is far to shoot. Rifling also slings shot loads all over the place. Birdshot is thus completely useless. I wouldn't even shoot a snake at close range either with birdshot. Unless I wanted to be bit. I'm not being biased here, it is THAT bad. Buckshot is even worse. There are so few pellets that hitting anything is impossible. They don't build enough speed to be effective either. Same with birdshot. They don't have enough speed to embed into a backstop either. They always come back, typically in the shins. Although they are big enough and have enough speed to hurt about like a paintball. Seriously dangerous though. I'm surprised ranges allow Judges at all. Especially indoor ranges. A 25 yard range will have buckshot in the floor and ceiling if you are shooting a judge. I'm literally not joking or exaggerating. I've never tried .410 slugs. Seems a bit redundant. Worse lethality and accuracy than regular .45 whatever.

You talk about the PDX rounds. They are the absolute worse. The small shot doesn't do anything. Period, It may tear through 3 layers of cardboard but that would be it. Completely series. The 3 discs are the most ricochet prone. I've taken one to the top of my foot. Not fucking fun. They are also less accurate than buckshot. Discs launches flat faced into the wind don't fly well. Who would have though? They don't properly lock up with the rifling either. So basically it is like shoving a handful of saucers and tiny balls with your hand in a general direction called forward. Shitty scam ammo.

Second, the cylinder is so long, the fact that it is a snub nose barrel is negated completely. It is the size of a full sized revolver with the accuracy of a derringer. They are also pretty heavy due to the fist sized cylinder. 45 LC can't build up enough velocity in the barrel to be effective either. It may be fun for a few trips but it isn't really worth the price.

Taurus is also pretty shitty as far as fit and finish. Most Judges I have used, the regular ones; have a hard time indexing at least 1 cylinder. 25% of the ones with issues will nearly lock up when shooting when trying to index a new cylinder. I've yet to shoot any Taurus revolver that had perfect timing. All have either sheared on the forcing cone or had quite a bit of slop. Lots of blow-by as well. The only good thing about the Judge line is the grip they put on them. It really is pretty nice.

If you are going to waste your money on any of these I would get the Judge/Bull/Raging Boner that shoots .454/.45LC/.410. .454 Casull is expensive and it hurts pretty bad to shoot because of the muzzle flip breaking your traffic finger on the trigger guard but you know, if you want to be retarded, go full retard.

>Seriously, not trying to be a dick but both of these are gimmick shit guns. Even for fun, they are shit. You'll probably get kicked off a range if they know what Judges do or you will realize you don't like being hit in the dick with projectiles.
Jack Bomblemid - Tue, 09 Feb 2016 03:44:10 EST fnAem7Db No.42167 Reply
Yes! This is the kind of reply I wanted. I've already decided on the ksg. Reading reviews and people's experiences with them they seem very hit or miss. Seems like peoples biggest complaint is failure to feed when in fact it's more likely they are short shucking the damn thing. Like I said this will just be a gun to goof off at the range with. I've watched a few judge videos and you aren't lying, the birdshot spread from like 5m will cover a 3x3ft area it's insane.
George Gollymag - Sun, 14 Feb 2016 17:02:44 EST Q2EFwHsh No.42182 Reply

The judge is actually much smaller than the KSG.

Can Teeth Richochet a Bullet

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- Fri, 05 Feb 2016 18:54:11 EST 1ZwLIKdi No.42147
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Someone in my town claims to have gotten shot in the mouth and lived because the shot bounced off a tooth. Can anyone here call BS or Shenanigans on this for me and help me understand some real actual factual?
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Emma Hemmernad - Sun, 07 Feb 2016 20:10:06 EST AKAAz18w No.42154 Reply
Have you SEEN Goldeneye? Just get a serious grill and you can use your teeth like a headshot shield!

as a felon

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- Fri, 15 Jan 2016 02:06:17 EST t5Kp7HXc No.42015
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whats to stop me from buying a gun from someone and not telling them that i have a criminal record
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Faggy Brookman - Tue, 02 Feb 2016 19:01:07 EST kjTW665N No.42130 Reply
Please do. thought crimes are terrible terrible things and what I might do totally justifies arresting a person. Especially when firearrms are involved. Hence why would should ban those baby killing assault rifles
Edwin Fuppersitch - Fri, 05 Feb 2016 00:27:40 EST /fdWjyyi No.42135 Reply
that copy pasted from pa's set of laws which conviently are the first ones you get when you google how do i sell a gun privately. how ever
from a wiki articale

As of September 2015, 18 states and Washington D.C. have background check requirements beyond federal law. Eight states require universal background checks at the point of sale for all transfers, including purchases from unlicensed sellers. Maryland and Pennsylvania laws in this regard are limited to handguns. Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts and New Jersey require any firearm purchaser to obtain a permit. Four more states (Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, and North Carolina) do the same, but only for handguns. Illinois requires background checks at gun shows. Nevada allows but does not require unlicensed sellers to do background checks on buyers. A majority of these jurisdictions require unlicensed sellers to keep records of firearm sales. The following table summarizes these state laws.[24]

what i really dislike about this thread is how much you guys have tried to lie to me. and im the lying sack of shit who cant own a fire arm.
Hannah Branderwill - Fri, 05 Feb 2016 00:33:50 EST Q4gC9Cxg No.42136 Reply
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>What's that? I can't hear you're arguments and refutations over my epic m33333mmmsss!!! XDXDXDXDXDXDDXDXXDXDXDXDXD

Ghost Ring Sights vs Notch n Bead

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- Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:19:45 EST Usz23cyv No.42007
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Sup guys, so I got a shotty, Mossberg 590 Mariner, and I want to put sights on it.

It comes with a bead, so there's that.

So I want it to be an all purpose: bird hunting, deer hunting, and home def.

I figure home def. wont require sights since my apt isn't 50-75 yards long. So my biggest thing is deer vs bird.

I want sights so I can put down a deer, but I understand that you don't look down your sights for bird. I don't want to have to re-adjust my sights all the time for switching between deer and bird so I figure I should get sights for the deer, but the sights need to be slight enough that it wont distract me when I'm downing birds.

I heard alot of good for the GRS sights, but I'm concerned it will be too obnoxious for aiming at birds; so I was thinking of using a U notch with the bead on the end. But if the GRS won't interfere with my line of sight for birdies, then I'd rather go with that.

What u think ya'll?
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Edward Menderwell - Sat, 23 Jan 2016 03:12:35 EST rCdOAiVI No.42058 Reply
You won't notice much difference between a ghost ring or the traditional notch and bead when it comes to shooting deer.

I don't know who told you that you don't aim with the sights when you're hunting birds but you either misunderstood or they shouldn't be giving shooting advice. You always aim down your barrel using your sights. I'm guessing they meant that you don't aim where the birds are when you pull the trigger, but just slightly ahead of them since they're in flight.
Doris Cendlespear - Sun, 24 Jan 2016 03:39:23 EST W/xXN95O No.42063 Reply
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You mean like this hammer, screw driver, saw, and pliers? and more...?
Martin Crunkinhit - Fri, 29 Jan 2016 22:08:56 EST zW7uqPEB No.42125 Reply
This is a semi-related update from OP,

waiting on the shotgun to get shipped but I got a .22 air rifle, Beeman Mach 12.5. I've been waiting to shoot this thing for a couple weeks now (people flaking and having a bad schedule fucking me over), and I got impatient. Just fired it in my gfs basement and holy fuck is that shit loud. Took out a chunk of concrete, and I was just using target pellets.

Noob just noobin it.

carry on /nra/

Prove you are has guns

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- Sun, 26 Apr 2015 22:04:27 EST Kx9VYlXs No.40535
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Arsenal thread. Cause I bet all of you here are no guns fags.
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Jarvis Worthingforth - Sun, 03 Jan 2016 06:03:32 EST 4k7DQvJN No.41988 Reply
easy-peasy, join a shooters club, do a hunters exam, join the popo or military or "security" firm. done. Hell, my neighbouring villages have a quota of over 60% hunters license holders, just to be able to inherit grandparents guns ^_^
Jack Pellergold - Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:12:36 EST dwYC5XZG No.42118 Reply
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I don't have a camera right now. A "friend" stole the one I had, I'm in the process of getting a new one. Anyway, here's a shitty picture from my computer of my main defensive handgun, . There are more but I'm lazy and this camera sucks...

FDE Glock 19 gen 3.

Batons for Civ use.

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- Fri, 08 Jan 2016 18:21:25 EST zMLPI6zV No.42009
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I recently invested in an expandable baton. My first course on defensive techniques is in march, till then I either plan on playing with this thing every night till i feel comfortable carrying it or sticking it in a drawer till march. I've spent hours on the web watching videos on the "proper" use of these and I feel i understand the concept of lethal and non lethal strikes..my question is; if i hypothetically draw one of these shouldn't I feel my life is in danger? and in that case shouldn't a lethal strike be justified?
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Archie Hucklechudge - Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:29:12 EST zMLPI6zV No.42112 Reply
The Watchman. Beating homeless vagrant and evil doers alike.
This ever vigilant and always ready super hero, watches the complex with a keen eye and steady hand.
Equipped with a baton and pepper spray this modern day Hercules has no use for petty firearms. He prefers to beat and stun his opponents into submission.
His trusty side kick Securi-boy often tags along on the adventures with only a 12 inch pocket baton and his knowledge, learned from his G string clad mentor. To help him.
Nigger Blupperwell - Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:21:30 EST 7Hwk0nrL No.42113 Reply

lol, you guys. The reason I dealt with the drunk thief with a baton rather than a firearm was because I could clearly see that he was not going to be much of a physical threat to me. I believe in the escalation of force that I was trained to use in the army. That is, using the minimum amount of force necessary to pacify a threat. In this case, all I had to do to stop this guy from stealing my tenant's bike was to assert myself with a flashlight and a baton. There was no need to come out with my AK charged and ready. In the other circumstance, where the guy had a knife and was threatening to kill one of my tenant's, it became necessary to show that I had a firearm and was willing to use it if he tried to harm anyone.

I really don't like doing this kind of thing, I don't think it's cool, and it actually makes me feel bad and kind of regretful when I have to confront someone with a weapon. I wish I didn't have to do it, but like I said, if I didn't, I know that no one else around here would. People would just be walking off with bikes and attacking each other and breaking into places and no one would stop them. I know for a fact that none of my tenants own a firearm, and the cops can take between 30 minutes and in one case over 10 hours to respond to threats, violence, or gunfire. So it's pretty much up to me, even though I'm naturally a laid back kind of guy. Such is life in the hood.

Canada petition to reclassify the AR-15 as non-restricted

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- Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:55:32 EST sjEGEsmx No.42012
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If you are Canadian or live in Canada, make sure to add your name to the petition. You can complain about how petitions don't matter but just fucking sign it anyway you pussy.


There's also a paper copy available at your local gun store or you could print it yourself and mail it in to the NFA.
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Eugene Pickman - Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:27:24 EST sjEGEsmx No.42056 Reply
RCMP can eat shit. This isn't a military junta. They don't have the power to enforce their will across the country, and if they come for the rifles a second time the risk of officers being shot to death is going to go up, not down. Most back woods guys will bury their guns, but a small number won't tolerate the intrusion.

We should get rid of the RCMP completely. If Alberta had invested the oil money properly then maybe they could have their own police force and not have to deal with an agency as corrupt as the RCMP.
James Sarryforth - Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:25:58 EST sBj2OrZ3 No.42066 Reply
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Welcome to Canadian gun laws. Back when our current firearms act was being drafted, a bunch of busy bodies with no knowledge of firearms thumbed through an issue of Guns Digest magazine and circled all the 'scary' looking guns to be made prohibited. Yes this actually happened, it is not urban legend, this is the type of legislation we are dealing with.

That's why the FAL, G3 and Dragunov are prohibited, but the M14 is completely non-restricted. The Famas and Steyr Aug are prohibited, but we have the Tavor (since it came out after the laws were drafted). The AR15 and all variants are restricted by name, but the Mini-14 is non-restricted. Anything with a Kalashnikov action is prohibited, but we are awash in non-restricted $200 SKS's...

Then there's mag limits; 5rds for non restricted long guns, 10rds for pistols/restricted guns. But if you have a pistol mag that fits into a non restricted long gun you can use that in the long gun to legally have 10 rounds.... Oh and there is no magazine limits for .22's, unless it's a pistol, then it is still 10 rounds even though it's still the same .22.....
Lillian Bunridge - Wed, 27 Jan 2016 08:05:42 EST qWy4dHkv No.42108 Reply
Don't forget shorting a shotgun's barrel gets you 15 years, but you can buy one at any length, unrestricted.

My Great Grandpappy's Rifle

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- Wed, 30 Dec 2015 01:16:52 EST bbSN8qRl No.41954
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Hello. My grandfather passed away recently, and left me his father's M1903 rifle. I am told he used it to train troops in Chile during WW2. My grandfather had it restored by a gunsmith a few years ago. It still has the original cleaning kit in the flip-up butt compartment, as well as its cloth strap.

I have a few questions: how can I identify the specific model I have? What type of ammunition does it fire? Is it safe to fire at the range? I am told the gunsmith said the boring and chamber are in fantastic shape. It has a metal plate on the bottom. Is it possible/advisable to modify this to accept magazines, making it semi-automatic rather than bolt-action? Would this make me a tacticool fag ruining a piece of history?

Thoughts and opinions appreciated. I would have included a picture of it but I don't have a camera, and my phone is broken.
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Phoebe Nicklestock - Mon, 04 Jan 2016 18:27:44 EST Q2EFwHsh No.41993 Reply
was he asking about how to buy a new gun? Nope, he was asking how to convert it to semi auto. It's a stupid question but that's the real answer.

As stupid as his question was at least he hasn't demonstrated himself to be a retard who doesn't have any ability for reading comprehension, as you have.
Doris Crarringwell - Mon, 25 Jan 2016 02:06:50 EST NPCf6Ura No.42069 Reply

Ah see I was also oblivious to this information. I didn't even know you could load the rounds individually lol. Hope I don't kill myself on the range with this thing. I'm familiar with pistols and semi-autos but only fired a bolt-action when I was a child, forgive my glaring ignorance.


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- Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:02:04 EST JVja9r+9 No.41554
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Rally together boys, time to protect our rights!!!!!!!

Another shooting has gone down, this time in Oregon:

Obama is already talking shit.
Spread the word, unify, we need to approach this on all fronts as a collective and smash it down.

1) Gun rights are a constitutional right. Can't beat that.
2) Gun rights are necessary. Can't beat that either.
3) If you take away our guns, we will lobby, we will strike, we will shut this nation down in every nonviolent way open to us.
4) You can't beat us. Period.
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Angus Pecklespear - Mon, 28 Dec 2015 22:41:25 EST 76HXE2y3 No.41951 Reply
What are you basing that off of? I don't think you can back up your claims of "most criminals don't have guns..."

For example, look at the UK, Australia or any other country that has a ban or prohibition on guns/firearms. Guess who has guns, the criminals, because they don't care if they are breaking the law by owning a gun.
Here is a study done by Harvard University that goes over a few known statistics relating to the ban. https://cdn1.sph.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/1264/2012/10/bulletins_australia_spring_2011.pdf

Sadly not a lot is known about the illegal firearms there, which are all held by criminals; other than they do exist.
A Wizard - Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:49:13 EST SLO1rzBF No.42052 Reply

I know someone who was friends with one of the deceased...

-.- fucking hate that pansy ass bitch, really fucking hate that guy. Took pleasure in seeing his pain, because his pacifistic "friend" bit the dust, while he was busy bitching about the "white man" (dude is 1/16th native. He's white enough to stormfront in Oregon, officially. )
A Wizard - Wed, 20 Jan 2016 19:07:42 EST SLO1rzBF No.42053 Reply

Oh damn, completely did not notice that I was already posting in this thread.

Back to responding! Well, I base my experience with criminals, based on my past decade of surrounding myself with criminals. Sweatty stupid mobsters (there's a reason they need a strong centralized leadership... most of them have no leadership ability beyond paying strippers and buying drinks.), run of the mill thugs, tons of drug dealers (no shit, drug dealers! WoooOOooOOoo ), and for some fucking reason, muggers seem to like me... I donno where I was going with this exactly, but I've known enough criminals in the USA to know that there's maybe 1gun for every dozen people who want to use it, and it'll get traded and tossed around until it's lost or ditched.

Of course, there's 10guns in the hand of everyone who will NEVER use the thing, lol. Fucking Merica.

Co-Witness fuckery

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- Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:49:57 EST VGMl4som No.41974
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Sup. I don't have any gun forum accounts so this is the best place I can do.

I recently got a Vortex Spitfire 1x for really cheap and I'm having some really weird issues. I've never used tactical optics or any of that shit so if I put this on a rifle I want irons to be good and the optic just there as an aid. So this is what is going on that is fucking with my brain.

>Sight rifle's irons in.
>Apply scope.
>Sight in scope.
>Try iron sights as co-witness.
>Can't hit shit.
>Zero Irons with optic on the rifle.
>Can't hit shit with irons when I take optic off.

Obviously this is making the optic worthless because if it broke and I had to take it off I would be fucked because I would have to rezero or if it broke but I could still look through it I would be fucked if the irons were zero'd with it off. If that makes sense....

Anyone know what is going on here? I'm guessing it is an issue with parallax. While it is "non magnified" it is still 1x scope and the front sight is slightly out of focus. Maybe the slight magnification is messing with the irons alignment? I don't know how the red dot's with magnifiers and all that tacticool shit works so I don't know if they have these problems as well.

I'm thinking about selling it but they are for sale all over the internet making it worth keeping for a while at least until they get marked back up to whatever they cost. Plus this fucker is clear as shit and the reticle stays on even with it off.
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Shit Heddleville - Fri, 01 Jan 2016 22:49:01 EST VGMl4som No.41977 Reply
Not sure what you asking...

I sighted the irons in. They are accurate and hit where I am aiming.

I added the scope, and if looking through it, using iron sights, they are about 3 feet to the left or right, (Can't remember) when I shoot using irons through the optic. If I sight in the irons so that they are on target, looking through the scope; they are inaccurate with the scope taken off.
Fucking Cinderbun - Sat, 02 Jan 2016 00:08:12 EST rCdOAiVI No.41979 Reply
Don't use iron sights if you're using a scope...
Lillian Socklewill - Wed, 06 Jan 2016 15:53:55 EST JTb0ofAs No.42006 Reply

>and if looking through it, using iron sights


No nonononononono.

You zero the scope independently of the irons don't you know anything oh god what, you don't fucking use the irons to zero the crosshair.

Home Invasion!

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- Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:55:29 EST WGEgiSsB No.41964
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You're home in your living room enjoying a nice movie on HBO.

Someone breaks in with intent to rob you.

He enters the living room and you, being a well armed supporter of the 2nd Amendment, unholster your weapon, swing around from your couch and land one perfectly placed shot in his mouth.

Now, the intruder is laying propped up on your wall blood pooling underneath his body. His jaw is halfway hanging off his face, he's gurgling and blood is spurting out of the open wound on his face, mixing with saliva and other fluids from his now gaped open mouth.

He's still alive! Albeit soon to depart this world.

My question to you is this: Do you finish him off? Put him out of his own misery for his own sake? He's clearly no longer a threat, and any forensic pathologist would be able to determine the second bullet was not necessary.

Do you let this poor creature who you have brilliantly subdued with your expert marksmanship and 2nd Amendment rights suffer what could be minutes of excruciating pain while you sit and watch waiting for the police to come?
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Lillian Socklewill - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 19:24:41 EST JTb0ofAs No.41999 Reply

And even so, there are lawyers who will argue your case for you if you're confident.

You have rights for fucks sake, stand up for them don't be fucking stallionolded by fucking criminals breaking into your house. Especially dead ones holy shit really?
Walter Huzzleforth - Tue, 05 Jan 2016 23:44:28 EST NCYEwePP No.42000 Reply
You have holes in your stories... Bitch
Hamilton Diblingdune - Wed, 06 Jan 2016 00:25:53 EST SjIp9rvd No.42003 Reply
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>not wanting to get a murder charge makes you a cuk

You know what, whatever. You go do this. I think you are probably better off in prison anyway.

Literally the worst thread on /nra/ now

Unstable Person Wants to Buy a Gun

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- Wed, 09 Dec 2015 17:41:10 EST 266sDFCU No.41867
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Hey /NRA/ I dont mean to make this political so i wont but I want to buy a gun because I am concerned about where this country is headed and I am starting to feel unsafe.

My question is, does any gun owner here cope with severe depression or other mental instabilities? I have never been diagnosed with depression but i dont need a doctor to tell me how i feel. i want to buy a gun for self defense, but i am worried that if i hit one of my lows I might crack and put the barrel down my own throat. I have not been suicidal in years but once in a while i will have my moments. Some of my moments are drug induced (see how you feel after a month long cocaine binge), so if i were to own a gun i would cut down my drug and alcohol use to a minimum.

I dont think i would kill myself, life is starting to get pretty good, but I still have some anxiety over it because of how I used to be. Do you guys think its a bad idea for me to own a gun? I Have never attempted suicide but pulling a trigger would be pretty easy. If i do buy a gun it will be unloaded and locked in a safe while I'm at home.

i thinking about buying one of these, USP 9mm, for CC. Though I don't know how willing the Orange County Sheriff's department would be to issue a permit to a 21 year old.
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Dr. Mario - Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:47:40 EST TTkLDzRD No.41963 Reply
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I abhor this mentality. The right to bear arms is inalienable and irrespective of social class. I'm not even anti-capitalist, but this line of thinking is retarded. You think owning guns is just some cool hobby for big boys with financial stability that have proved themselves worthy of a Boomstick badge?

I'm not even poor or black, but poor people need guns the most. If anything, the wealthy white people with their gated subdivision, ADT security, and fast police response need guns the least. Cultured and well-mannered black men need guns more than anyone else. They're the most common victim of gun violence. Yet what does our country do? Brainwash blacks into thinking we need to ban guns, pass laws that prohibit importation of cheap firearms (oh no Saturday night specials), and require additional fees for permits/licensing that the working poor can't afford.

When I was much younger at 18 I scrounged up $180 from a summer job and bought my first gun, a used as fuck Taurus j frame 5 shot .38spl. It was not a looker, and I bought from a private sale. It worked fine but was extremely heavy. I couldn't afford much else; I had to bargain for 5 hollow points because we couldn't afford a whole box along with all of our bills at the time (hollow points are around $1 each, and I figured 5 shots of performance followed by a speed loader filled with target ammo was better than a box of bullets sans speed loader under the bed). I only had the chance to shoot maybe 25 rounds through it. Our college town was a total dump full of crime and problems. I wanted my gf (now wife) to at least have something in case I wasn't home.

I was staying over at my gf's tiny ghetto apartment, and at around 1am someone broke the sliding glass door. They shattered the whole thing. I ran downstairs and saw at least two people in the dark, one was pulling at a TV plugged into an original xbox and the other guy was just walking in my direction, toward the stairs. I don't think they even saw me.

I only fired one shot, I was super nervous and inexperienced, and all of them ran out fast as fuck. As far as I know I didn't hit anyone, but they were coming towards the stairs man, with two college-aged women sleeping upstairs. Who knows what the fuck could have happened if there was up to 3 guys. That TV was our only luxury item besides our laptop; if it had been stolen we would have been totally screwed on our quality of life.

Now it's years later, we have more money and a few firearms but good quality, gained lots of experience from practice at the range, enjoy trap and skeet, live in a nicer area, attend additional schooling, and yet I haven't had to fire a round at another human being ever since. Not that I haven't had to use it in self-defense since then, but I've never discharged another round at a living target.

>just something to think about, the image of the working class Union man was his father's gifted down shotgun hanging above the fireplace
>now all US socialist/pluralist politicians are anti-2nd amendment

What the fuck happened here? Call me a one-issue voter, but if the Dems pulled their head out of their ass and provided a comprehensive gun bill (ban non-sporting long gun carry and private sales in exchange for national concealed permit reciprocity, constitutional open carry of holstered handguns in all of US, lowering FFL handgun age to 18 or 19, ending of unenforceable gun-free zones, end on prohibition of a lot of potentially imported firearms, and dropping all firearm safety/permit course costs) I might actually vote blue for once. There's a lot of AK variants that would be extremely cheap without some of the important bans. Imagine being able to buy an M1 Garand and other pieces of history for $300.

The current setup is so fucked, like I could legally but a handgun at 18 via private sale but couldn't buy the bullets from an FFL. I had to lie and say the bullets were for a .357 lever action rifle in order to purchase them, and even then Walmart wouldn't do it (had to go to a pawn shop). I could get a North Dakota carry license (one of those shitty states, or Iowa can't remember) at 18 which would have been accepted in a few states, like Texas, when Texas doesn't even offer permits until 21.

>guns and mental instability
If you actually think about shooting yourself, then why would you buy a gun. Being dep…
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Hamilton Turveyshaw - Thu, 31 Dec 2015 13:00:32 EST SjIp9rvd No.41967 Reply
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tl;dr, but nobody in this thread is saying that poor people don't deserve the second amendment or whatever else you think this thread is about. This thread has been entirely about how much of a piece of shit hi points are and how for even just a little bit more money you can get a much, much better gun.

Cool fiction story though. I especially like the whole bartering for five hollow point bullets part. Nigga you can get like 25 of those things for like 15 bucks, you realize that right?

Buying a Gun after Being Institutionalized

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- Tue, 22 Dec 2015 16:30:19 EST 5Hthn0xK No.41929
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Hey guys. I've been thinking about buying a pistol for self defense for a long time. Especially now following a string of robberies and violent crimes not too far from my neighborhood.

When I was 16, I was experiencing suicidal thoughts and I willingly admitted myself to a psychiatric ward. I'm in my 20's now and I realize that it was all just whiney bullshit and I have ABSOLUTELY no intention of harming myself or others. I am not currently, nor have I ever, been on any antidepressants or other medications to manage my depression. I just grew up and got over it.

My question is whether or not this teenage episode would impact my ability to buy a pistol now. Any advice would be very much appreciated!
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Edwin Honeyfield - Wed, 23 Dec 2015 17:49:16 EST mtRteRVP No.41941 Reply
Op the information we need at the moment is where do you live like what country and if it happens to be USA what state

that is the sort of information that will impact whether or not you can buy a firearm

I personally get so weary of seeing these types of threads here

As for the United States of America for the most part the only thing that will prevent you from buying a fire arm is a felony.

Background checks for mentally stable or unstable people in USA for the most part is nonexistent.

and even if you do get flagged they are gonna pull the file and put you on a three day delay while it goes under review its not like the police are gonna show up and kick you in the nuts (unless your a felon)

also you dont have to buy a gun from a licensed dealer even if you get stopped through that method in most places in the USA you can just buy a gun private sale from another citizen there is no background check just a bill of sale.
Polly Crablingwill - Thu, 24 Dec 2015 00:06:46 EST 5Hthn0xK No.41944 Reply
OP here. Sorry for the delayed response, guys. For those of you who asked, yes I am a US citizen and I live in Pennsylvania. Also, the worst crime currently on my record is a speeding ticket. I formerly had a juvenile record which included a citation for misdemeanor possession of cannabis. I never actually took legal action to get it expunged, but I had an internship in the pediatric wing of a local hospital a few years ago which required me to get numerous clearances and background checks from the local police department, the FBI, etc. and I had absolutely no issues getting accepted for the internship so I am sure that my criminal record is totally clean. Like i said, my concern was more about my mental health coming into question if I went to go buy a gun. What you guys have said so far is very promising, so I think I'll just stop pussyfooting around and go to a gun shop to get the process started. Thanks guys!
Rebecca Blytheman - Thu, 24 Dec 2015 09:38:28 EST NGqq+rMd No.41946 Reply

Here's the problem: you need it expunged. For firearm purchases, sealed is not good enough.

ATF form 4473 requires you to disclose whether you have been committed to a mental institution, either voluntarily or involuntarily. So either you are going to:

A) Answer yes and be denied purchase, or

B) Answer no, be committing a felony for providing false statements on ATF 4473, and be subsequently caught when you fail your NICB check

You need to have the record expunged. Firearm background checks are different from security background checks for employment. You can still fail a firearm background check for a mental health commitment, either voluntary or involuntary, even if the record is sealed. This is due to ass-backwards provisions contained within 1960s era gun control legislation that was originally designed to prevent black people from being able to buy guns.

People who say "oh the US has lax gun laws" have no idea what they are talking about. The laws are incredibly strict for all the wrong reasons and having drug crimes or mental health commitment or even domestic violence infractions on your record will indeed affect your ability to be eligible to complete a firearm transaction, even if they are on your juvenile record, and even if they are sealed.

I'd suggest you talk to an attorney before attempting to do a purchase, because your current legal state may cause you to be ineligible.

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