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I've used many Hi-Point 9mm pistols extensively. They feed everything, are very difficult to break and will rarely ever fail to not fire if a round is in the chamber. One of those big name Youtube types did about 5 video's trying to break a HiPoint. If you think HiPoint's aren't reliable, look up the torture tests on them. I remember one of the tests was jamming a bolt down the barrel and firing it and it didn't blow up. They are ugly, reliable and look like a plastic brick. Basically a glock but way cheaper with less capacity.
>Someone who doesn't use their gun.You'd burn the fuck out of your hand if you shot your rifle any. Handguards are there for a reason.
Hearing isn't an issue if you keep earmuffs next to your rifle and again, sit in place and don't go full on tactifag.
.223 isn't overkill indoors. .223 is more effective at killing someone. Especially an untrained fool that is using a handgun. I'd rather give the layman a rifle and some earmuffs and tell them to sit put instead of having someone with a pistol sit in position or worse yet, clear the room if they can't use that pistol. But firing any weapon indoors is insane. I mean it literally confuses you the first few times you do it. If you can, shoot your .22 from inside your house out a door or window or something. It is unreal. Then shoot a pistol or something in an actual closed off house where there is a roof unlike a shoot house. A rifle just blows you away. Again though, for most people, killing someone is going to be so intense already, the deafness and bleeding ears is just going to be another forest fire in hell.
Wow you are one hell of a fucking idiot. Firstly, using a rag to hold your gun is about the dumbest fucking thing I've heard all week. Second, a 10/22 barrel after 50 rounds will burn your hand if you are shooting even moderately fast. Are you only allowed to shoot your guns at ranges that say 5 rounds per minute maximum? Also, lever actions without handguards is stupid. The Mossberg Chainsaw shotgun is stupid. Slide fire stocks are stupid. Are you suggesting that just because it is a product it makes sense? Get the fuck outta here with that shit.
>That NFA blah blah blahYou know what is a great idea for OP with 600 dollars? Buying a rifle that is already 600 dollars, spending a year waiting on an approval letter from the ATF to go spend 500 dollars on making a rifle integrally silenced so then if he ever wants to use it on somebody, it gets taken to a police locker for months and also if he ever crosses state lines, he has to get permission from the ATF all while maintaining an ATF approved locker for his home and car if he wished to transport it. GREAT FUCKING IDEA!
>It's bizarre that you then suggest using handloads, presumably in the same defensive situations, that not only void warranties but cause explosions and injuries on a regular basis. Your hypothetical prosecution will gleefully portray you as an unhinged psychopath assembling extra dangerous ammunition with the premeditated intent of causing maximum pain and suffering to anyone you encounter. Of course, that's assuming you don't get a failure to fire due to a primer not seated all the way. Or worse, you have a round with either no or double charge. Handloads for defense (or even serious trophy hunting, for that matter) actually is asking for trouble.I almost wish I could show you how fucking retarded you are. The legal standing is the only potentially valid point. But realistically, if someone makes forced entry into your home and you shoot them from your bedroom after they kick the door in, you could shoot them with cum and kill them and be justified save for a few cherry picked cases you'll probably throw up. Reloaded ammo is nothing to be afraid of. You are just fucking stupid and think the only people reloading are incompetent buffoons. Modern reloading equipment is designed to prevent everything you've said. Explosions are not regular either. Fuck off idiot.
>There's also the issue that squeezing performance out of 9mm from rifle barrels requires slow powders. Get much slower than blue dot, I think, in most straight blowbacks and you'll find the powder is still burning by the time the action opens up. I hear burning kernels flying out of the chamber directly into your face every shot kinda sucks. In that case, you're wasting powder since the typical bolt's weight doesn't keep the chamber shut long enough for a complete burn. But hey, in a totally modular rifle, like that one Eugene Stoner invented a while back, you can just swap to a heavier weight. Interchangeable weights are also useful if switching between suppressed and unsuppressed use.Or you could just use a rifle round in a rifle barrel? That works for everyone else who uses guns to shoot people. I've yet to see rifles or carbines chambered in pistol rounds used by any serious and actually armed occupations. Unless your dumbass immediately think sub machine guns qualify as a carbine/rifle in a pistol caliber.
>Maybe OP's AO has sweet deals like yours (btw I'm mad jelly), maybe not.
You really don't stop do you? Fucking tripfags.
Avoid the Benelli Nova's. Their controls are retarded and they don't have near the reliability of 500's or 590's. Plus they cost way more. I bought one to be a gun hipster and sold it a few weeks later to buy a Mossberg 500A. Remington's are objectively inferior. I've pointed this out a million times and it seems to be sticking but replacing Extractors and Ejectors on a Remington 870 is nigh impossible for nearly everyone. In a Mossberg, it is a pin for the extractor. Of which the Mossberg has 2 unlike the Remington and the ejecter is a simple flat screw you can take out in 10 seconds. 500's shell lifter stays tucked up in the gun unlike the Remington and Benelli and you can easily unload the tube on a 500 unlike the other two. Thumb safety is ambi. Same with slide release unlike the weird as Remington design. The only bad things with the 500 is the tube/barrel are welded so no mag extensions and the 500's slide rattles some. The Nova is a massive step over the rusty shitbag that is an 870. Remington is a bad company now as I'm sure everyone now groupthinks. But their guns sucked LONG LONG before they were bought out.
Again, Hi-Point pistols are solid save for the .380 as I have no experience with them. Most people trash them because they just assume that 40 people on the web said they were shit so HUR HURR THEY MUST SUCK lol! I must reiterate that getting around circles that actually test shit is far more useful than a bunch of forum hacks who talk shit about everything. You know how long Glocks were known for being complete turds? It was 20+ fucking years because the internet hadn't existed and fudds went around talking about how shitty Glocks where knowing good and fucking well they'd never even touched one let alone tested it. Groupthink is a hell of a drug and the gun world is among the worst. Maybe car guys and guitarists are more full of shit but fucking hell, gun nuts are some of the worst. Everyone that shoots more than 1 mag a year is suddenly a gun pro level 9001. Not a personal attack on you, just saying. Hi-Points are very solid for their price. I'd take a Hi Point C9 over an XD or old Sigma.
Mech Tech carbine conversions are a waste and like most gun owners, you probably follow the law to the absolute letter and there is all kinds of shit regarding converting them back and forth. Not that anyone would know if you played it smart.