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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

What is available online besides kratom and seeds?

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- Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:29:44 EST oN6LT/Si No.611181
File: 1571084984839.jpg -(56348B / 55.03KB, 480x540) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. What is available online besides kratom and seeds?
I've had excruciating chronic pain after a car accident three years ago. My doctor has refused to give me a script for pain meds aside from a few weeks after a diskectomy(back surgery). He doesn't want me to be physically dependent, nevermind I'm on four other medicines that cause dependence. He just wants me to take 375mg aleve along with my other meds. It doesn't help that I'm 25.

Anyway kratom does pretty much jack shit. I know it isn't bunk I'll give friends 4gs and they'll be feeling good. Seeds are to expensive and such a crapshoot I can't rely on. I'd be interested in ODSMT but haven't found anywhere legit to order.

I would just do heroin like I have in the past but I can't drive, have no money, and everything has fentanyl now.

I appreciate any advice you guys have. Thank you
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Shitting Pittingwater - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 19:08:31 EST AH2aaazO No.611182 Reply
Order tramadol or tapentadol (or bupe if that’s works for you) off the dnms or a online pharmacy. It will work out to under $1USD for 100mg.
That’s probably the cheapest way to easily get opis. Idk about ODMST though sorry
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Doris Hiffinglutch - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:12:51 EST YDyRV7U2 No.611195 Reply
>>611182
Does it feel kinda sketch getting things off the internet? I live in the US and I can't help but feel real awkward when ordering even legal rcs online. So whenever I order something different i feel like I'm gonna get snatched up into jail.


>>611181
O-DSMT Is a pretty good painkiller, not much on the euphoria side of the house, but my tinnitus and back problems are pretty much gone with it. It lasts a while too.
Tianeptine is in the same price range and I feel a bit more functional on it, but it doesn't have any euphoria for me and the painkilling is pretty modest and short-lived. But if i need to work that day, I'll take tianeptine before dsmt.

So how the fuck does one even get on subs or methadone?

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- Sun, 01 Sep 2019 22:18:15 EST DOtmUPy9 No.609972
File: 1567390695622.jpg -(55008B / 53.72KB, 343x317) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. So how the fuck does one even get on subs or methadone?
I see all these ex-heroin addicts on suboxone or methadone, talking about how they went from rock bottom to normal with it. And I'm just left wondering how. How can someone with less than $10 to their name, a rock bottom junkie, afford suboxone or methadone? It's astounding. Like I'm actually curious, how is it possible.

When I tried getting on both and called these places up I realized how expensive it was and how much of a racket it is. It seemed impossible for me and I'm not even rock bottom.

First I called a suboxone clinic and they were nice in that they actually ran my insurance to see if it covered any of it (my insurance ended up being glitched or something). They then told me weekly "therapy" /Jew sessions were mandatory. In all it'd be $800-$1200 a month.

Then I tried calling a methadone clinic and was answerwd by some retard Black chick who didn't understand anything. Asked if my insurance could cover any of it or if they could run my account to see if I could get it cheaper. She literally didn't understand it. Responded in grunts and primitive slang. Ended up basically hanging up on me. Then later I tried calling back for a week every day with no response every time I called. Finally they picked up and gave me this retarded price plus tons of "therapy sessions" too.

Fuck man it's depressing. How the fuck do you get on this shit without it being more expensive and hassling than dope?
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Lol - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:30:13 EST jrcY8Yaf No.611180 Reply
>>609972
Sounds like you're the only one who's retarded. Lmao. Fucking loser.
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Shitting Pittingwater - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 19:18:39 EST AH2aaazO No.611183 Reply
>>611173
Nah the first 2 mg were subbed then half a day later I IV’ed the 1.5mg in .5mg shots over a couple of hours, I was just trying to chase some sort of high but I guess my tolerance is too big atm.

Depending on the seeds and whether or not I’d used h recently I would wake up in wd but the last day I did them I somehow found god teir seeds and I did a massive dose as a last horay, that’s why I still felt kinda okay for so long. Honestly I kinda knew I hadn’t waited quite long enough but I was in that stage of wd where I didn’t feel terrible but just uncomfortable and unable to sleep.

Anyway I dosed 1mg this morning and I’m still getting headaches but aside from that I just feel normal, maybe a little bit less anxious than usual but no real high.
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Eugene Mongerstit - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 11:02:41 EST LpEYRcXR No.611194 Reply
>>611150
Thanks, much appreciated! I'm actually IVing though because I need to conserve (I dont make a habit of this, but im in a unique position and have no access to any more strips) - in any case, I used some and was perfectly fine, and no precipitated withdrawals thank god, but I also kind of cut around the discolored parts. Now that's all im left with - I'll still use them, but might go with a different ROA for what's left. Managed to be fine on like, maybe 1-1.5mg yesterday, and don't even feel too terrible today so I think I'm close to being in the clear - yay! (gotta love chipping and occasional binges keeping you in perpetual cycles like this, but it beats being homeless and stealing every day for a score)

opium hash

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- Tue, 08 Oct 2019 13:16:02 EST 71zrLyi1 No.611018
File: 1570554962178.jpg -(3309B / 3.23KB, 223x226) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. opium hash
I got my hands on some 'opium'. It looks kinda like the picture, though that's hasch. Smells like poppy.

I can't find any instructions online on how to take it. The guy said it's the first harvest so it's probably too weak to smoke.

Either way I thought I'd try smoking it. But how much?? I have scale but no clue where to start
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Rebecca Sungerpat - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 07:20:04 EST Gw/wMT3t No.611192 Reply
>>611191
Maybe if you started with larger micron filters to smaller ones. Like a wasteful version of bubble hash
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Angus Briggleford - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 07:51:18 EST yB2lulph No.611193 Reply
>>611162

I'm not familiar with Indian terminology but generally making refined opium is a simple process of reclarification. they dissolve it in boiling water, scoop out the solid plant matter, strain it through cheesecloth then slowly reduce it over a low flame until it a thick paste which can be dried in the sun leaving a refined putty.

there is a more complicated persian type of opium which is supposedly pre-smoked a little to "improve the taste". maybe that is a similar thing to your indian term idk

Opium poppy tea

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- Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:43:27 EST 1JgKkitr No.611172
File: 1571075007416.jpg -(2358737B / 2.25MB, 2448x3264) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Opium poppy tea
dear /opi/

I ran out of things and I have some old opium poppy seeds(at least 1 year) about .8 of a gram, I was wondering how should I make a tea with them or if I should even use all of them. I was considering using all and drinking slowly, but I'm not exactly sure since I've never taken them like this. The growing season is over now and I can just get new ones next year.

They are the white opium poppy strain. Should I just eat them raw or should I make a tea out of them?

Have a picture of my rat, unrelated.
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Ebenezer Druvingsare - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:09:08 EST 1JgKkitr No.611174 Reply
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>>611172
after a bit of research I realise the dose I have is obviously too small, thank you anyway and sorry for wasting any time, please enjoy more rat
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John Tillingbanks - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:28:00 EST jrcY8Yaf No.611179 Reply
Might as well throw em in some dirt and let em do their thing. Might get your grass high

Opiate Withdrawal?

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- Mon, 14 Oct 2019 21:10:40 EST LZ2GiWn6 No.611184
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So, I'm a former IV heroin user. I started fucking around for the past 2 weeks, maybe once every 1-2 days I'd rail 20-40 dollars worth of H giving myself some space inbetween some days. I stopped and im on day 3 and believe me the withdrawals aren't that bad at all but I'm trying to decide if I'm dope sick or not but I feel like fucking trash but I can sleep. Just anxiety and diarrhea is going fuck crazy right now. Is it possible to become dependent again THAT fast?
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David Dezzlepot - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 23:36:05 EST 5pPdLr+O No.611186 Reply
>>611184it only gets worse from here. Its always simultaneously not that bad and absolute hell. You dont end up in hell through a big leap into pain, but a thousand small steps.

bad effects from strange heroin

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- Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:09:50 EST 0b8lOqtt No.611133
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Hello /opi/
I got a brown powder heroin which looks exactly like the one in the picture.
When I snort this shit I get horrible shakes and an extremely racing heart, I thought I die...

About 5 other people have the same stuff but they dont experience these effects... almost sounds like a panic attack but I know how that feels.

Anyone had a similar experience and/or knows what could trigger something like that?
Im afraid of taking it again but would it be better if I smoke it? (burn and destroy cutting agent)
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John Tillingbanks - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:59:39 EST jrcY8Yaf No.611177 Reply
Had this happen to me on a few occasions from one of my dealers. I already know I have sensitivity and negative reactions to certain naturally occurring opioids so I'm never really confused. Just let down. Mixing it with coke and or something else CAN sometimes help? But really iust gotta make sure I stay below that threshold of hellish paranoid death spiral. End up just having to use the shit for maintance or as I said, speed ball it.

You're totally fine though I can almost guarantee it. Sounds like you've got yourself some Reggie ass heroin. Not all it's crack(lmao)Ed up to be. But sadly felt had no fucking legs and it's damn dangersketch
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John Tillingbanks - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:22:01 EST jrcY8Yaf No.611178 Reply
Had this happen to me on a few occasions from one of my dealers. I already know I have sensitivity and negative reactions to certain naturally occurring opioids so I'm never really confused. Just let down. Mixing it with coke and or something else CAN sometimes help? But really iust gotta make sure I stay below that threshold of hellish paranoid death spiral. End up just having to use the shit for maintance or as I said, speed ball it.

You're totally fine though I can almost guarantee it. Sounds like you've got yourself some Reggie ass heroin. Not all it's crack(lmao)Ed up to be. But sadly felt had no fucking legs and it's damn dangersketch

Don't ask me

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- Thu, 10 Oct 2019 10:15:12 EST uSBxAsH2 No.611086
File: 1570716912425.jpg -(39194B / 38.28KB, 288x216) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Don't ask me
If I happened to have one of those in my possession, what are the chances I die if I have no opiate tolerance? Did Oxys 5 mg twice, felt good but also suspicious, I knew I shouldn't fall asleep cause I felt something might go wrong.
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P - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:44:17 EST v6N73DW3 No.611106 Reply
>>611086
Use as directed. 25mcg an hour should get you exactly where you want to be.

Remember, fentanyl is 100x strength of oral morphine, 30x strength of IV morphine. Because oxycodone is 1.5x as strong as oral morphine, fentanyl should be like 65x as strong as oral oxy. So 25mcg fent will equal 2.5mg oral morphine or about 1.5mg oral oxycodone.

Seems very low but those numbers aren't exact. The first 10 minutes of fentanyl feels way stronger than 100x.

Just use the patch.
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Hamilton Hurringhall - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:31:46 EST 97tCmi+3 No.611168 Reply
Is it safe to keep the patch on for 72 hours straight or would there be too much fent in the body after awhile?
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Thomas Pizzlehack - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:54:34 EST 8zBNFcbN No.611176 Reply
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>>611086
>Did Oxys 5 mg twice, felt good but also suspicious, I knew I shouldn't fall asleep cause I felt something might go wrong.

lol'd hard

Passing a drop as a daily user

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- Mon, 14 Oct 2019 13:33:40 EST UDKgUnug No.611171
File: 1571074420830.png -(1892100B / 1.80MB, 1481x1001) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Passing a drop as a daily user
So I've been doing dope that contains real H in it for 2 months. I need to pass a piss test exactly a week from today. I've passed as soon as 48 hours multiple times before, but I wasn't using daily then. Does anyone have experience with taking a piss test as a daily user? I can't cheat on the test reliably, it's for probation and I never managed to pass via dilution before. I know there's no definitive answer, but I feel like even with daily use a full week is enough to be 100% sure of passing.
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John Tillingbanks - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:54:27 EST jrcY8Yaf No.611175 Reply
>>611171
You'll be fine. Just stop now and get some decent kratom so you don't feel like the alien is trying to burdt out of your chest. God speed

Kratom strains

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- Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:12:02 EST nA5rzxZh No.611165
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Whats the difference between green bali and green maeng da? are they both as stimulating or ... Whats Ur Fav Kratom Strain ?
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Sidney Derrymed - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:24:47 EST pLF4G/FZ No.611166 Reply
Can someone explain effects of white strains (white maeng da), is the stimulating effect a nice stimulation or does it feel forced ... How substantial is the pain relief / anxiety from white strains compared to red or green ...

Also, would you prefer to take opium instead of oxy or morphine pills? Is good quality opium way better than any opiod pill?
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Kekistan69 - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:38:03 EST JEt2x1Cb No.611170 Reply
>>611165
I take strains of every color every day. Heavy Kratom user unless I'm using other opiates. White maeng da provides pleasant relaxing stimulation for me. Not sure though if that would be true for someone with a lot lower tolerance to Kratom , a few years ago I remember feeling almost overly stimulated by maeng da strains of the green or white variety. Also, green Bali and green maeng da are pretty similar. Green maeng da seems more euphoric and stimulating to me personally.

Green is my favorite maeng da strain, with gold and white tied for close second. Red Bali and yellow Sumatra are my 2 favorites overall though.

Bump While Nodding: Tournament of Opiates vs. Opioids

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!KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 20:04:09 EST 56TOD6Vq No.609151
File: 1565395449738.jpg -(80218B / 78.34KB, 1000x650) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Bump While Nodding: Tournament of Opiates vs. Opioids
The previous BWN is no longer bumping. As such, here is the new BWN.
Post your opi of choice, binges, recreational usage, medically authorized use, and more surrounding this lovely class of drugs.

Today's current cocktail of Rx meds: 15mg diazepam, 50mg tramadol, 50mg tapentadol hcl (Nucynta), 15mg cyclobenzaprine, and 25mg DPH.
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Shit Nublingforth - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 05:10:44 EST c1S+lO+H No.611145 Reply
>>611131
How high do you really get? Is it mostly satisfying your habit and needle fixing? Bupe always seems to ruin the profoundness of other opiates, they just feel dumb like bupe or something

Q's RCs

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- Fri, 04 Oct 2019 06:35:14 EST 5fqU3odd No.610883
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Was any of the regulars from here in discussion with our dearly departed Q when he was getting into his opioid RCs? I wish I saved his posts here looking back, he posted some good info. I remember he was into metopon analogues, and I also believe he had ordered 14-cinnamoyloxycodeinone? Does anyone here recall?
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Priscilla Greenfoot - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 00:48:11 EST 5fqU3odd No.611157 Reply
>>611154
Fair enough, was just saying if you wanted to really get things sorted out with PST threads directly talking to Kirt on IRC would be your best bet.

Sucks to hear you lost so much money, one thing I can't wrap my head around is Q claiming he managed to get small custom synth orders successfully filled for like 10 bucks a gram. If he successfully did get orders like that done why couldn't he just stick with the people who he successfully ordered off of and hook you up with them so you weren't risking your money with companies you guys never ordered from? I can't help but feel there was exaggeration on Q's part and that if he did manage to get orders in, without him getting them lab tested how was he sure they didn't just ship him whatever flavour of the month fentalogues hanging around? There is just a grey area I can't seem to work out, cuz if Q managed to get an order in and for so cheap and such small quantities, why didn't you guys stick with the same company? Just can't wrap my head around it.
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lol - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 05:25:00 EST IggaRoSW No.611160 Reply
>>611157


I'm sure we aren't hearing all of it for many reason. Legality'
, personal issues, not wanting to draw attention to shit. You can't give up the game to people that easily. Look to poppy seeds as a reason why for example in regards to the attention part. Everything else I'm assuming is just personal. That is a good question though unless Q was dropping mad money to get all this shit tested. Theory about him being given something like that sounds like it would make sense
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Priscilla Greenfoot - Mon, 14 Oct 2019 05:58:30 EST 5fqU3odd No.611163 Reply
>>611160
I understand, it's just if you saw Q's original posts about this all he was completely candid and wrote a tutorial of sorts detailing exactly how he did his orders with every piece of information apart from the name of the company. Seeing how close he was to other users here makes it hard to believe if he had shit on lock that anyone would be scammed.

FIRST BOOF HELP ME

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- Tue, 08 Oct 2019 15:49:13 EST iejqnhMX No.611022
File: 1570564153764.jpg -(3326535B / 3.17MB, 4032x3024) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. FIRST BOOF HELP ME
So /opi/ I have some oxy here and want to make the most of it. Walk me through on how to CWE and booty bump this shit into mah veins. Please?
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DTMO - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 09:38:24 EST Ks4d2EmT No.611085 Reply
>>611053
Right, and when they went to the hospital they told your friend to go home, yeah?
Cos there are literally no accounts of liver damage from that kind of dose as a one off in healthy people.
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dr. m - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 17:58:18 EST LOk04uH3 No.611153 Reply
>>611022
If they're instant release, especially with APAP, don't bother plugging/boofing them. It's not worth the chance your bowels aren't empty. Depending on your dose, you can either choose to CWE, choose not to CWE, or choose to CWE/not CWE and simply consume NAC alongside your oxy dose. It's N acetyl cystine and only costs like ~$7-12 for a decently sized jar of it on amazon etc. It's what's used in the hospital for APAP overdose.

There might be debate on oxy's rectal BA, but I can tell you that oral oxy IR has a bioavailability of between roughly ~60-90%. Rectal is supposedly 67% give or take, but I don't assume all patients in those studies had empty bowels. Anyways, even if it's like ~75% oral BA on average and say for sake of argument rectal BA is ~80-90%, that's only a maximum of ~20% increased rectal BA relative to the average oral BA. Unless you're willing to go on a fisting...I mean fishing expedition into your anal cavity for the sake of a maximum ~10-20% strength increase over oral, that's not worth the risk of one of your turds soaking up all of the solution.

As long as you don't have liver problems, and don't regularly drink and don't drink within ~12-24hr before or after the oxy, you can arguably consume as much as ~2-3g APAP maximum at any one time, or ~4-5g within 24hr. It's better to not consume more than ~2g APAP if you can avoid it. CWEing your pills will lose roughly ~5-15% of your oxy depending on who you ask about it. I've never CWE'd anything except tylenol 3s, so I wouldn't really know. Personally, as long as it's less than like ~2.5-3g APAP, I usually just eat 500-750mg NAC (or more depending on APAP dose) about 15min before the oxy, and another 500-750mg NAC roughly 3 hours since the first NAC dose.

Bear in mind that I've only consumed an opioid with APAP in it once this entire calender year, so that's why I don't really bother to CWE. If you don't have NAC and your APAP dose is higher than 7-9 percocet 5s/7.5/10s with 325mg APAP each (or 2275-2925mg APAP total), then yeah, definitely CWE your shit using MINIMAL water they're nearly freezing temperature.

You'll have to decide if said liver "damage" from ~2-3g APAP is worth the extra ~5-15% oxy you won't lose from the extraction process, assuming you don't have micron filters available. If you had NAC, a small dose of just ~1000-2000mg spread out over 2-3 doses depending on APAP quantity would reduce APAP-related liver damage substantially, likely somewhere between ~50-80%+. I'm not saying abandon doing CWEs just because you might have NAC, but it's infinitely better to combine it with oral NAC without a CWE, instead of not doing either a CWE or consuming NAC.

This is something any and every opioid user should have in their stash, or arguably any "medium" or "hard" drug user for that matter. Just $10-20 worth could last you a minimum of years, or as long as a lifetime. Even when you do a CWE, some degree of APAP still ends up in the final solution, both via water-soluble APAP (minimal if small amount of water is used) and via insoluble APAP that isn't successfully stopped via a non-micron filter. As a result, everyone who regularly or semi-regularly consumes CWEable opioids (especially otc codeine, perhaps otc dhc not sure, maybe even Rx ultram aka tramadol+APAP, etc.) should combine their dose with a minimum of 500mg NAC, preferably within 15 mins before the APAP dose, but surely within 15-30min after said APAP dose.

If someone is doing a CWE on something very opioid impure, such as UK tylenol 1 or 2 tablets (something like 325-500mg APAP per 8mg codeine), medium or higher tolerance users might have to consume as much as ~20-50 tablets worth. Even if a user does a CWE, that's still a starting dose of like 12.5-25g of APAP before being filtered. All such users should be consuming like 500-1000mg NAC a bit before the APAP dose, another 500-100mg roughly 3 hours later, and a final 500-1000mg dose 6 hours after the initial NAC dose.

tl;dr buy some n-acetylcysteine for just $7-20 for a multi-year supply, stick to oral use, consider crushing them up even if you don't do a CWE for a marginally faster absorption rate, and decide for yourself if the APAP damage of your specific dosage range is worth the "cost" of ~5-15 or 20% loss of your oxy. …
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Samuel Dendlehood - Sun, 13 Oct 2019 19:56:30 EST LBtuZswc No.611155 Reply
>>611153
Nice information dr. m, For the sake of CWE related science.

Opiate+APAP crushed into a very fine powder, Then placed onto a extremely fine filter such as to only allow liquid.
Then place ice cubes on top, They will eventually cool to a temperature which allows the water-soluble opiate to go throw.
Leaving the majority of APAP filtered out and maintain the particular level of cold water by adding periodically ice cubes. Thoughts?

From my understanding of CWE it's the insoluble APAP & soluble opiate. Most opiates can separate in water when the water APAP+Opiate solution is close to freezing but above enough to allow it to remain a liquid and then makeshift distillery apparatus does the rest. So keeping a constant temperature & having a good distillery apparatus, could you not get 95-99%+ purity in the final solution?

Any leafs on Kadian/XR morphine maintence?

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- Mon, 30 Sep 2019 22:50:38 EST v6N73DW3 No.610801
File: 1569898238387.jpg -(41420B / 40.45KB, 288x216) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Any leafs on Kadian/XR morphine maintence?
Any Canadians here on XR Morphine instead of methadone/suboxone?

I know Canada (Toronto I believe) is trying out IV heroin/hydromorphone maintenance but so few people are on it the chances of someone on here being on it are tiny.

However I've seen loads of Canadians on Kadian aka XR morphine, which is pretty awesome. If so how hard was it to get on? What's your experience like? Any idea if it would be possible for an American to get on it? Or legal for the American to bring take homes across the border.

The US needs to hurry the fuck up and make this a treatment option like methadone. Daily dosing and all that jazz. That'd still be a massive improvement of what we already have. No doubt the pharma company that sells suboxone doesn't want that, they'd lose tons of money.
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dr. m - Fri, 04 Oct 2019 11:19:58 EST LOk04uH3 No.610894 Reply
>>610882

Idk, it seems like there's a very strong divide between methadone users, and particularly morphine IR/XR users, even terms of whether their daily dose actually gets them "high" or not. It's definitely possible that some or even a decent portion of the population doesn't get high from either, but I can only give my experience. I've never had methadone in my life, so I can't comment on that. However, I was consuming massive doses of morphine via what was essentially full spectrum opium (some PPT but mostly PST) for at least ~3-3.5 years within a 4-4.5 year time span.

While obviously my "high" wasn't remotely as intense or enjoyable as when I chipped on vikes/perks/occasionally dilaudids, I definitely felt a noticeable, non-placebo mood lift+mild to moderate euphoria+various other recreational effects like anxiety and pain reduction every single time I dosed. It usually took about ~20-40min to really start or mostly kick in, and that subjective experience typically persisted for a minimum of ~30-60 minutes, and sometimes up to 1.5-2 hours if the raw total potency was above average, and/or specific alkaloid ratios were desirable. It was indisputably more than just the supposed cessation of mild withdrawal symptoms (PST almost always kept me well more much more than ~24hr, usually as long as ~36-48hr). I was definitely getting high.

While yeah, full spectrum opium functions notably different than pharma morphine XR, I'd argue they're quite similar. Full spectrum opium definitely "hits" harder and more at once than morphine XR, so I can totally see why Thants doesn't really feel anything notable from it, but PST's duration of effects is definitely at least equal to morphine XR, if not significantly longer.

Perhaps PST is much more capable of causing a slight to moderate daily high than morphine XR (it's definitely possible), I don't know. All I know is, at least back when seeds were good from ~2013-the first 2 weeks of 2017, I was getting high as shit dosing ~4-6 days per week every week, and closer to 6-7x/week towards the end.
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Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 03:49:56 EST Etn1L8OT No.611079 Reply
>>610882
No, not unless I buy extra morphine or cheek my dose and save up my dose. I would agree it feels less dirty than methadone and it takes about 40 hours to begin to withdraw once you've been on it over a week. I used to find I would get sick in less than 20hrs on methadone. Now that I'm not on the juice and have a high tolerance methadone is one of my fav opis. Low cross tolerance with morph and amazing legs.


>>610894
I remember when the seeds were good and I had detoxed and switched off iv dope to just seeds. Nothing like good seeds it's like what rec methadone is like to me now

Lapse/Relapse Thoughts

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- Fri, 27 Sep 2019 16:15:47 EST +cuMph/+ No.610709
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Hey there everybody, I used to frequent round here back when I was still using heroin (will just call it dope for simplicity's sake). Has been almost 5 and a half years and last night I gave into a craving and bought some raw. I put it on a test kit was definitely diamorphine, though that doesn't rule out what it was cut with.

In short, the shit was strong, had that dopey ass smell and immediately hit me wit that warmth. But then after I just got soooo nauseous and any sense of good feeling just dissapeared. Figured I had snorted a bit too much, so i waited till that all wore off and then did a legit match sized amount. Same shit happened, felt amazing for the 5-10 minutes you would associate with the heroin rush.

After this though, it seems once my body metabolizes it all into morphine it just feels like shit. Like legit I'm kind of relieved I had such a bad experience cause I don't plan on using anymore and hopefully will keep this at a lapse.

My question is what is /opi/'s thoughts on this? Is it possible I've changed my lifestyle to the point being numbed out actually bothers me? Or is it simply just my tolerance being at base line and having strong shit? Or maybe a bit of both?

I'd like to think I've changed so much I don't even like it anyone, but that sounds like complacency to me. Thoughts?

tldr; lapsed on (tested) decently strong heroin, had miserable experience. Does this mean im over it, or is my tolerance just a bitch?
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Charles Disslelock - Wed, 09 Oct 2019 15:41:47 EST RqMca+QO No.611052 Reply
Its not tolerance so much. its mostly your brain wanting to use amounts you used to use but your acute tolerance is much lower, so you end up getting od symptoms. within a few days your tolerance will match your compulsions and you can get good and high again.
or pretend it was heheh dope no longer works for me im good now
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George Cuggleham - Thu, 10 Oct 2019 01:51:58 EST iB6T3oQX No.611074 Reply
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I thought this thread was more about relapse in general. I’ve never technically been clean, but I haven’t shot in a year, take kratom like it’s a cigarette and use pst like once a month, which is nice sometimes but it’s fucking fickle lately and I rarely get to be home with this new job and I’m really about to start trying to find some again

Been thinking about it a lot lately
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David Pemblewater - Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:27:00 EST OKJeVRu3 No.611135 Reply
Same shit happened to me on some tan looking shit when I wasn't hooked in between my last run and my current relapse. I puked for an entire day straight and the high was terrible. I was getting hallucinations similar to dph, hypnagogic jerks, and saw horrible shit every time I closed my eyes. I thought my body was just rejecting the shit. I still kept doing the shit, though, and after a few times I was getting a good high again. Every single time I got those effects it was off some tan shir, but I swear it didn't feel like real h at all. I'm trying to come off some bags of tan shit now, but those actually felt like real h cut with f. I got a bag but I haven't touched it because I'm already 24 hours into my attempted derox. Gotta pass a probation test in a bit over a week. Went on a nearly 2 month binge and tapered to doing only like half a bag a day but the rls is still a bitch. I'm gonna continue just getting blasted on gabapentin til I'm not sick anymore and only touch this bag if it becomes unbearable within the next day or two . Never thought I'd end up hooked again, but shit has a funny way of finding it's way back into your daily life when you live in a town filled with dope fiends.

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