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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

Using on vivitrol.

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- Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:45:03 EST vxU1Ds4w No.609617
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Sup opi. So my question is what is the earliest day you can use on vivitrol and feel it. Yes I know all the risks involved in doing this. I’m on day 20 currently and haven’t tried anything yet but I know it wears off in 28 days but I got a toothache that hasn’t gotten any better so I’m trying to get some relief from shooting something. Thanks in advance 👍🏼.
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Phyllis Buzzcocke - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 21:20:44 EST cbXJ46oj No.609668 Reply
must be some toothache
dr. m - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:43:29 EST qsHN3Ndz No.609695 Reply

I'm so sorry your....toothache...hurts so much you feel the need to shoot up. I used to tell people that you could try using suboxone/subutex because buprenorphine will break through naloxone, but that was before I found out vivitrol is naltrexone, not naloxone. Naltrexone has a stronger binding affinity than both buprenorphine and naloxone.

Your only hope is to wait until maybe day ~25-35 and use suboxone. This is because, while naltrexone will block just about any semi-common opioid, its half life is only 4-6hr. Naltrexone's metabolite is the one with the half life of like 13hr or something. Why is this important? Suboxone aka buprenorphine will break through naltrexone's metabolite, but not naltrexone itself. So towards the last few days or maybe a week of the vivitrol shot's effectiveness, it's possible that theres little to know actual naltrexone being released, and it's just the buildup of naltrexone metabolite that ensures that vivitrol remains effective for at least a full 28 days.

So tl;dr, you could try suboxone after around day 21 or later, but it likely wont work until at least 28-30 days, possibly 35+. However, suboxone/subutex is the most likely opioid to work towards the end of a month of vivitrol.

Honestly man, why are you even getting vivitrol unless it's court ordered? Personally I'd fight for sublocade instead.
Jenny Shittingman - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 00:21:17 EST LZ2GiWn6 No.609702 Reply
I used to wait till the 30th day off vivitrol and start shooting again for like a day or two and then get the shot again lol.

Sleep during WD

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- Sun, 18 Aug 2019 10:07:15 EST cFO37f8I No.609599
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Whats yalls sure fire way of sleeping during WD? Its honestly the worst part for me, i wish i could skip the time
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Hedda Ponnerspear - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 21:50:01 EST CTiahFI1 No.609699 Reply
>doxlamine (otc sleeping pill, benadryl also works...)
not sure about doxlamine, but benadryl by itself often makes RLS even worse. be careful with that one
Hedda Ponnerspear - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 21:56:56 EST CTiahFI1 No.609700 Reply
my advice is to honestly find what works for you. if you're not taking your main opiate (and not getting addicted to another hard drug/harmful substance), you're progressing.
>[lots of good advice above me - try and decide what gives you the best chance]
Jenny Shittingman - Wed, 21 Aug 2019 00:04:56 EST LZ2GiWn6 No.609701 Reply
Ibuprofen, Clonidine, Gabapentin and or Valium can all help. When I was cold turkey WD from heroin half g a day habbit. I used all of them simultaneously and experienced little to no withdrawals and slept through most of it(granted I had a full script for everything though besides the ibuprofen).

Wanna kill oxy high, will IN suboxone work?

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- Mon, 19 Aug 2019 21:57:38 EST aZ667T0e No.609670
File: 1566266258435.jpg -(73655B / 71.93KB, 1125x808) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Wanna kill oxy high, will IN suboxone work?
So ive had some oxy today, i dont normally use oxy but now i wanna have a few drinks b4 bed. Im not very high, but im wondering if i can use suboxone to kill the effects of oxy to counter potential resporatory depression. Does that make sense?
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Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:16:32 EST 7Y8izlLY No.609690 Reply
>TFW you sleep in the recovery position every night.

PST General

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- Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:28:45 EST 0D2KEBt3 No.609357
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last one is gone. Post all things Poppy
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Lillian Blatherbury - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:26:11 EST 0D2KEBt3 No.609691 Reply
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Just DOWNED usually I take my time but it’s already 5:30p and I have work tomorrow roughly .75lb of FTL dated exp 7/2021. Will report back.

Does anyone have any screen caps of anything back when seeds were fucking fire all the time? I’m listening to the Growlers and want to keep this nostalgia going.

Stay safe stay up
Lillian Blatherbury - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:13:57 EST 0D2KEBt3 No.609697 Reply
it’s been 1.5 hours. coming up still. Let me put it this way. It’s nothing great, but I will still surprised it had only been 1.5 hours. Maybe because my expectations were so low.

>active. but just slightly under NC a few months ago. Again it’s still early. Drinking 2nd wash now

Kratom strains

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- Sun, 18 Aug 2019 16:39:52 EST pP9ksngJ No.609612
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I have tried green maeng which is balanced to the side of energizing and motivating while relieving pain and tiny relaxation. But it's not suited for sleeping because it's too stimulating. I haven't tried any other strain like the red ones, do those make you sleepy in low-medium doses or are you able to carry on with normal activities?

Green maeng is very good daytime strain for me but Im looking for a different balanced strain that errs more on the side of relaxing / pain killing side while also being energizing and a sense of well being. What strain could do that? Even a higher dose of maeng doesnt produce results i want just more unwanted stimulation.

Also could you mix strains or does it cause imbalanced effects ? eg. mixing red and green/white

What is your favorite kratom strain?
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JohnSmith - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:13:13 EST +MK+lbXT No.609687 Reply
Difference between Red thorn and Bali? which one wud you um... like Prefer over the other um... ? also Maeng Da difference from Green maeng?
Kekistan69 - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:55:08 EST QNhcKKIA No.609689 Reply
I haven't taken much red horn but red Bali is universally known as the most opioid like. When I take it after a run with some Benadryl I feel REALLY calm and euphoric for a little while (partly because of the endorphins from running but still).

In my experience any other strain is a little less opioid like than red Bali, so I'd recommend that over red horn. And in terms of maeng da, I don't notice enormous differences between different colors. Green maeng da seems to stimulate me more than red maeng da, but all maeng da strains will give you more of a stimulant buzz when compared to red Bali.
Eliza Wogglebury - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:50:56 EST U8xxeth7 No.609694 Reply
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None of this answers my question at all. TO repeat:

I've never had a problem with Kratom in fact I used it daily for weeks and at one point possibly a few months on end without noticing any major problems. Quitting honestly felt less bad than my heavy coffee habits, which are brutal crippling headaches, depression, lack of motivation whatever and lasts a weekend. With Kratom I basically just felt lethargic and slightly bummed out.

Bear in mind that I was actually ordering the shit by the kilo at that point, so I am not talking about some swallow a few grams type of shit either. I was literally brewing like 4oz a day at one point for tea. Actually quite possibly could've been more in a day.

My problem is now I have actually had a serious addiction to tianeptine and I am incredibly worried that because of that I fucked up opiates for myself in the future. I do not know how much of a kindling effect exists here in terms of how it would affect Kratom intake and whether using Kratom on a routine basis after kicking a hardcore physical addiction when you previously had no problems can have problems now because you may have altered some pathways to make yourself more susceptible to addiction and withdrawal from opioids generally. That is my questuion.

100 mcg/hour fentanyl patches

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- Sat, 17 Aug 2019 18:11:15 EST 0DBMiwu4 No.609555
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I have some 100 mcg/hour fentanyl patches.
I want to get high on them. I take 400mg of codeine every day and have done for several months. 400mg of codeine doesn't get me high at all anymore, maybe a small buzz for about an hour.
I'm planning on cutting one of the patches into quarters and applying it to my skin so I get a 25 mcg/hour dose of fentanyl every hour.
will that be enough to get me high?
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hsn - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:20:06 EST UE37Quda No.609685 Reply
Source? I’ve never heard of someone dying from fent patches specifically from the way the fent was unevenly distributed. Are you thinking of polymer matrixes and maybe the person underestimated the potency? It does make sense for a pharma product to be evenly distributed but what do I know about fent patches.
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:47:14 EST OgX3IMCX No.609686 Reply
>I've never heard of someone dying from fent patches specifically from the way the fent was unevenly distributed.

How could anyone deduce that posthumously? I'm not trying to argue with you but that's an unknown unknown. Unless the user somehow stated before use and OD/death that they were aware of other factors like potency and/or similar aspects.

Although I can't remember my source for this information I do remember reading something about medication in tablet form having only to be evenly distributed if the pill is scored to be broken in half. Then again I see pharmacists chopping N8 subs in half and giving people 4mg doses at the clinic and i know those pills aren't scored so that kind of removes the legitimacy of what I just said.. who knows.. I could see gel reservoir patches being unevenly distributed because you can literally move the gel around inside the membrane by placing it flat on a table and pushing on it with a plastic card.
dr. m - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:19:45 EST qsHN3Ndz No.609688 Reply

IMO the bigger problem isnt if it's evenly distributed or not. The problem is that cutting it, at least for the OG gel patches, caused a higher absorption rate than normal because of the edges oozing gel.

OP, dont gum them. Using them nasally or rectally is over two as efficient. Look up sublingual and buccal bioavailability percentages for buccal (on the gems) fent. Its only like 30-40% IIRC. Meanwhile, nasal is ~89% and rectal is presumably 90%+.

Does anyone have that "i sold my dog" thread saved??!!

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- Mon, 19 Aug 2019 17:13:36 EST I/ST301X No.609653
File: 1566249216824.jpg -(18426B / 17.99KB, 300x168) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Does anyone have that "i sold my dog" thread saved??!!
Please please please. It was maybe from 4 or 5 years ago? Please I know someone must still have that thread saved. Or at least an image capture of it. The dude sold his family's dog!
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Phyllis Buzzcocke - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 21:26:36 EST cbXJ46oj No.609669 Reply
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oh shit I found it
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:27:22 EST OgX3IMCX No.609683 Reply
Demanding obligatory pasta for "Dope Revenge Club" aka "Hammer Story"
Phyllis Buzzcocke - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:33:48 EST cbXJ46oj No.609692 Reply
yesss this is what I'm here for. someones gotta have it

noob question

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- Tue, 20 Aug 2019 00:31:01 EST s8+dP9gR No.609675
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Can I smoke opium in a crack/meth pipe? What kind of opium should I buy? Should I stick to just opiated hash? My body and soul hurt pretty bad, not sure if this is the right thing, but when I take the tea I can erase most of the fucking pain for a little while. Don't hug me, I'm scared.
Phyllis Buzzcocke - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 00:41:53 EST cbXJ46oj No.609676 Reply
if you are in America, don't buy any opium. best case it's overpriced heroin, worst case it's overpriced heroin with enough fent to kill you, medium case it's worthless incense.

Should I assume my dumb decision is H?

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- Thu, 15 Aug 2019 05:19:07 EST VkyM8MkQ No.609440
File: 1565860747336.jpg -(198630B / 193.97KB, 3008x1960) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Should I assume my dumb decision is H?
Found some powder in a users room when I visited a house I had to do something at. Took a gel cap filled with chunky white powder which I assume is scramble H. And some small thin glas vial with a plastic topper on it not sure what it was but pretty sure it was some opiate as we. Been binging lil bumps every couple hours. Feels like an opiate. Tried to test em with my mandelin kit. But I think its bad due to its a couple years old. Liquid is a nasty brown color now.

Feels like an opiate but I havnt been going to full nods but I cant keep myself asleep for more more than a couple hours. On east coast by baltimore. I seem fine and high, itchy and tiny pupils. Should I assume its h?
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Eugene Pittfuck - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 17:39:09 EST 4dTnJKkc No.609656 Reply
Has anyone shit on this guy for stealing a guy's (probably) entire stash yet? If he was sick, and took SOME, that'd be one thing, but it doesn't seem like he has a habit since he can't even tell immediately if he's got an opiate or not after snorting it. Yeah, you probably do, OP, but that's pretty shitty man. I'd beat the complete shit out of you if I found out beyond a doubt you were the one who took the last of my shit when I started kicking hard; sorry to be hateful but I really hope karma fucks you over for that shit.
Eugene Pittfuck - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 17:44:38 EST 4dTnJKkc No.609658 Reply
Ok, so, looking at the post again, you probably DIDN'T take his whole stash. I misread at first and thought you said you took a couple caps and vials, so my bad. But those could've easily been the only 2 he had left for the foreseeable future so..I kinda take it back, but not completely.
Phyllis Buzzcocke - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 20:45:46 EST cbXJ46oj No.609663 Reply
I mean, after that thread about the dude going on like a mini rampage or the thread about kidnapping/being kidnapped (i forget the deets), trying to be a voice of morality here is sort of like pissing into a hurricane. Is it the right thing to do? of course. will you end up covered in piss and also probably dead from being in a hurricane? absolutely. has this analogy gotten away from me? definitely. in conclusion, I completely agree with you but I've given up on trying to give people advice or judgement (not that you should give up, at least someone on here should call people out for their dumbass junky shit).

Bump While Nodding: Tournament of Opiates vs. Opioids

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!KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 20:04:09 EST 56TOD6Vq No.609151
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The previous BWN is no longer bumping. As such, here is the new BWN.
Post your opi of choice, binges, recreational usage, medically authorized use, and more surrounding this lovely class of drugs.

Today's current cocktail of Rx meds: 15mg diazepam, 50mg tramadol, 50mg tapentadol hcl (Nucynta), 15mg cyclobenzaprine, and 25mg DPH.
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nate - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 16:58:59 EST MXwJd0uM No.609652 Reply
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So I never thought this would happen again, but I just came across someone who's grandmother was prescribed methadone IV vials and midazolam IV vials! So once again I'm going to sus them now! Fucking hyped.
nate - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 19:48:51 EST MXwJd0uM No.609660 Reply
Nice stuff, probably won't come across any again though for quite some time. Still trying to score some morph tho but bump for that

Growing poppy sprouts to make poppy plant smoothies. Documentation thread.

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- Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:43:39 EST 6YEguU42 No.609581
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Okay so I posted in the Fresh Pods thread about this but I wanted to make a thread to document my experiment and I encourage others to try this out too so we can see if we can make our own 'opium tea' in the comfort of our homes.

I have these two sources specifying the rate of alkaloids as the plant progresses to grow


and I'll post the tables from those sources in this thread.

We have triple-decker food steamer (pic related) that we use to grow broccoli sprouts that I'll be using for this undertaking.
From what I've read, 4 days after sowing the seeds morphine can be traced so I'll do my first dose then and if it doesn't work I'll keep growing them for up to 6 weeks (or until my steamer cant fit anymore growth).
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Thomas Gennerwick - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 02:56:36 EST 6YEguU42 No.609597 Reply
Thanks for the tip!

But specifically someone posted a link here maybe like a month ago for a online seeds store that was selling, according to them, poppy seeds used in the Middle East for opium production. It was kind of a weird outdated looking site but they had normal products too.

I think i the description they said that the seeds were highly sought after and a rare find and had a quote from a farmer or whatever saying something like "they just showed up and told us the plant these seeds, they grew in only x weeks and had a higher yield than usual".
Phoebe Lighthood - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 14:42:30 EST SI0jDs3E No.609647 Reply
It may not matter as much for this guys purposes, since he's only sprouting and not fully growing them out. The genetic disposition to making more morphine may not be noticeable until the plant's have fully grown, and could be more uniform across different strains when they're sleeping tiny sprouts.

New to heroin, not new to opiates.

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- Sat, 10 Aug 2019 20:44:57 EST 3R2Nm3/L No.609242
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Hey OPI, so I'm curious on what dosages & prices I should be looking for when trying heroin for my first time.

Some background:

I'm in North America, Canada specifically.. - I say that for an idea on the price range for, let's say... a gram.

I've done plenty of opiates, have had multiple bottles with 100 pills of oxy 5mg & 37.5mg tramadols I'd pop up to 35mg & 500mg of a time of (oxy being over 2-3 hours, tramadols being over 5-6 hours), hydrocodone 5mgs that I would snort tons of, can't recall the amounts honestly..
So I'm not heavily into a tolerance when I have done them, & am currently with little to no tolerance..

I'm planning on snorting, & will be doing research on swallowing whether or not that's even a thing.

I've read anywhere from 150-200 is the price for a gram, but I want to be sure what an alright price is. & for dosing, I have no idea what I should be trying out - assuming there is no fet. I'm not too worried about fet, but I want to start on the lowerside to be cautious. I don't want suggestions on buying test kits etc.

Thanks for any help yall can provide.
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Nicholas Muzzlesot - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 00:32:59 EST 7khe+840 No.609381 Reply
>Do NOT buy heroin, anything that gets that far north is bound to be riddled with tampering

buddy the vancouver port is a major point for drugs coming in from Asia and the port of montreal for south america and middle east both have had so much hash heroin coke etc come in its not even funny busts are rare because people are so corrupt

its easier/safer to bring drugs into Canada and then smuggle them into the states sure tons of drugs come in from mexico but a lot of people do not want to deal with the cartels
dr. m - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 23:51:32 EST 1qKXc0ke No.609595 Reply

Yup, this right here. Supposedly the majority of North America's MDMA is first brought into port in Canada before being physically smuggled by boat/car into the US (or possibly by mail I guess). I know a lot is shipped directly from EU>USA, but that's how entire 10-1000kg shipments of MDMA and I presume other drugs are trafficked into the continent.

Potentiator Question

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- Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:45:58 EST 7Teze97q No.609561
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I've heard that hydroxyzine can potentiate opiates, but just how strong is the effect?
Nigel Sadgemotch - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 21:04:14 EST SnO3ZRr8 No.609562 Reply
I just got out of the ER a month ago (ish) with a perc RX and I am already prescribed hydroxyzine...

I didnt notice much of a difference...if you routinely take hydroxyzine the drowsiness isnt an issue anymore
Martin Brecklefield - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 23:20:30 EST U8xxeth7 No.609628 Reply
It's bullshit advice of desperate junkies and opi noobs. Antihistamines don't do shit. Mainly all they do is make you tired and dirty the high while removing energy and euphoria from it. Only reason anybody does this is trying to combat itching in desperate hopes of getting just anything for slightly longer legs on stomped on garbage. Don't even bother. If you have to mix it with anything mix it with pot. Or little bit of alcohol, if you have tolerance to both and aren't moron enough to OD.
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 00:52:14 EST 56TOD6Vq No.609634 Reply
I think synergy is more so what you’re asking about. A typical potentiation technique for opiates involves inhibiting CYP3A4 with grapefruit or cimetidine (Tagamet), which has a rather significant reaction.

Methadone, using opiates while on methadone possible?

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- Fri, 16 Aug 2019 01:49:30 EST osznr6gK No.609477
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I've been on 110mg of methadone for about 8 months, and I'm wanting to use opiates. If I use other opiates, will I feel any effect at all? How long do I need to stop taking methadone before I can feel any effects? Anyone have any experience with this?
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Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:18:26 EST 7Y8izlLY No.609577 Reply
PM stands for Pain Management however it is not by any means a pill mill as dr. m claims here >>609575

For a long time now you have to go to PM if you want recurring scripts. The DEA also keep putting out new regulations that make it harder for current patients and almost impossible to get new patients in. My PM doc has a huge waiting list and he certainly isn't one to just hand out drugs.

Real deal pill mills are few and far between these days.
dr. m - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:31:58 EST 1qKXc0ke No.609579 Reply

I just meant it in the sense that their primary purpose is being an controlled substance ATM machine with a side order of weird stuff like nerve shock implants and a bunch of other pain killing methods. My psych is basically a pill mill in disguise, as I get 90x80mg Subutex and 60 or 90 (was 90 this month but we will see long term) 30mg Adderall IR each and every month.

Personally I consider my psych a pill mill because simply saying "I used to be scripted Adderall," even while providing absolutely zero evidence, was enough to start s permanent script of it. As for the whopping 24mg of Subutex per day, all I needed was two positive piss tests that supposedly showed the highest ever urine opioid concentration that said suboxone psych doc has ever encountered in his 20+ years of practice. I wouldn't be surprised if I could push him for even 32mg of subutex/day if I fed him some bullshit about how my 1 year "sobriety" date is coming up soon and cravings are flaring up bad for the first time in several months.

Sorry I confused the idea of a pill mill being a doctor who scripts controlled shit 24/7 for a living in a legitimate and government supervised way, and the definition of pill mills being more of the situation I listed above with my current psych.

Hell, I would be getting 90mg Dexedrine IR/day instead if I wasn't paying out of pocket with no insurance, and said psych doc even once wrote me a script for actual Desoxyn, which is medical methamphetamine. Apart from the absurd price, the only reason why I never actually got it was absolutely no pharmacy within 20min drive was either able to actually order it and get it in stock in a reasonable time, or even willing to fill the script in the first place seeing as my state's script database shows them I'm on near-max daily dosage of Subutex and a lot of other semi-good stuff.
Charles Shakegold - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 20:21:10 EST SnO3ZRr8 No.609619 Reply
>or even willing to fill the script in the first place

I hate when your pharmacy thinks they know better than your doctor.

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