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- Thu, 13 Feb 2020 18:10:32 EST t93J/3b6 No.613622
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I did a pill of Suboxone (not sure the strength) over the course of 16 hours about a day and a half ago. I've been told it blocks Opioids.
My friend gave me 150mg of Tramadol which is an opiate as you probably already know.
If I take it today would I even get high? Or should I wait a few days for the full effect?
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m - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:52:07 EST vgHBTjMI No.613772 Reply
Have you ever tried cutting through ~6-12mg suboxone or subutex/day taken for at least 1-2 weeks, before attempting to "cut through" the same or next day? It's pretty much impossible. In the distant pass I tried using relatively strong PST, even various crude extracts, that totaled as high as like ~5-7lb of product, and even after waiting like ~36 hours after last bupe dose (something like one day 4mg, next 8mg, next 4mg, then 36 hours later PST), it was ~90-95% blunted/blocked by bupe. For comparison, at the time a dose of around ~1-1.5lb would have given me a solid buzz. 5-7lb felt less strong than like ~0.25-0.33lb or something.

Maybe if you solely IV using dangerous amounts of fent analogues it's possible, but anything somewhat common in a hospital setting is likely not going to work if you use bupe daily, especially anything over around ~4mg sublingual bupe equivalent per day. That's why I try to stick to around ~3mg to 4mg nasal/rectal use (~4.5-6mg sublingual) per day. Anything more and your chances of IV hospital opioid meds working plummets from slim to none.

If you want opioids to work relatively on demand for you (within ~24-48 hours), stick to doses of ~1.33mg nasal/2mg sublingual or less per day.
DTMO - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 01:42:49 EST cA7HWjuL No.613791 Reply
  1. The question is whether opioids other than bupe can cut through naloxone or naltrexone not whether they can cut through bupe.

2. I successfully got high on ludicrous amounts of PST when I was on 32mg of bupe daily after swallowing one dose to *mostly* avoid supervised dosing for the day. When I was on 6mg I imagine it would have been much easier.
Obviously I needed to use much more than usual and it's possible the euphoria was "blunted" but I definitely nodded which I didn't from any amount of bupe.
Clara Gagglelet - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 05:09:26 EST xLCKwbm0 No.613792 Reply
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>Using massive amounts of pst to cut throught massive amounts of bupe

This is basically the way to get desperately hooked for life, wds must've been horrible, how can you love yourself so little I cant comprehend.

Oxy with/without Acet

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- Mon, 24 Feb 2020 22:16:14 EST igDemYrO No.613778
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Hello feel-good friends,

Question, do you like to mix oxys with acetaminophen?

I'm a low tolerance user and Im trying to decide whether I should do just 15mg oxycodone, or do 10mg with 500-1000mg acetaminophen.

Thanks in advance for the wisdom.
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Shitting Gangershit - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 23:17:09 EST igDemYrO No.613783 Reply
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Interesting. Information online said apap accentuates the effects of oxy which is why I was curious. The oxy's I have are pure and not street-versions. I'm not a regular user, just recreationally once in a blue moon. Wasn't sure whether I should take some apap (small amount like 1000mg most) in addition to the oxy's to help the effect.

Thank ya'll for your advice!
m - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 23:44:42 EST vgHBTjMI No.613784 Reply
It will definitely help if you're using it for legitimate pain relief. However, if you only use it for recreational purposes, it's not helpful. Save your APAP-related liver damage for when you're stuck using percs, or for when you're drinking alcohol. All that damage is cumulative over your life time.
DTMO - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 01:34:18 EST cA7HWjuL No.613790 Reply
I'd love to see some evidence of cumulative damage from 1000mg doses of APAP.

Dope dick

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- Thu, 20 Feb 2020 21:12:15 EST XT0yIrqw No.613716
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Title says it all, how do you guys overcome dope dick and actually bust a nut on opi? I've got a girlfriend now and I treasure her and dont wanna hurt her feelings by not coming and I'm starting to taper off but its gunna be a slow process and I don't wanna explain my habit... any tips to bust a nut?
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sexy heroin girl with sensitive clit - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:17:13 EST yC2mGzAE No.613773 Reply
why dont you jsut make her cum instead you selfish man, its not all about you you know
Jenny Membledad - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 01:24:05 EST 7Y8izlLY No.613788 Reply
Nail some blankets over the windows, boot some junk with your girl, then lay there and listen to some music or what have you in between shots.

Bump While Nodding (BWN): A Thread of Opioids

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!KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:01:04 EST Z4YJu/MJ No.612110
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You know what to do: bump when on opioids.

15mg diazepam, 15mg hydrocodone, 100mg hydroxyzine, 10mg cyclobenzaprine, and a glass of wine.

I might end up taking more diazepam and hydrocodone (possibly a couple 50mg tramadol and 0.5mg alprazolam for synergy) later on.
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m - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 22:26:54 EST vgHBTjMI No.613779 Reply
Nah, it's very unlikely that Morphiate straight up died from just ~0.5-1lb of seeds. Seeds that are even close to that strength pretty much became an under 1 in 100 batches after the end of ~2016 or first few months of 2017. After that, it was only select lots and expiration dates around half a dozen times or less per year, typically sold some time between ~July and Dec, usually Sept, Oct, and Nov in particular.

Feb is historically one of the weakest months on average, at least for UK seed. Sure anything is possible, but to receive seeds that are >750mg total morph equivalent or higher per lb, especially in Feb/March, is nearly impossible.

I can't speak on his source, but if it's who I assume it is, I will say that his "Aus seeds" are 100% totally a mix of majority UK with a bit of Aus/Spanish seed as potentiating filler, IMO more likely to be Spanish. I'm convinced that whichever UK or Aus seed is listed cheaper, then it's either less potent UK or Uk that's more heavily cut/mixed with Spanish or possibly Aus seeds. Either way, many people I've talked to are convinced it's all mostly UK seed that's tweaked for branding, aesthetic, and profit maximization purposes.

>bump on 35mg oral d-amph IR and 2mg sublingual bupe about 11 or so hours ago, another 4mg bupe+a-l-c+chitosan via my nasal spray a few hours later, and roughly 3mg more nasal bupe an hour ago

bump I guess, because the end result of having dropped ~10mg etizolam/day equivalent for ~70 total days semi-cold CT roughly 2 weeks or so ago is that my daily bupe dose has skyrocketed, and oddly enough my d-amph dose has heavily dropped as well, likely due to too much etizolam-related rebound anxiety. Instead of 60+ mg/day d-amph, it's usually ~30-40mg/day now, and instead of ~3-4mg nasal, it's recently been something like ~6-12mg/day, yikes.

I've been trying to stabilize by using up two smaller than 4mg "halfs" of subutex per day, so roughly maybe ~6-7mg, but sometimes I still get micro or even mild WD. For the first time in months I actually had a strong craving to go find dillies, real roxies, or even being willing to settle for fent presses in a make shift nasal spray, so clearly getting totally off subutex any time soon would be a piss poor idea. Maybe in a few months I'll be back to 3-4mg/day, but even if I'm not, I can live with anything 8mg or less/day. As long as I'm taking a half or a third as much d-amph as I used to, it's worth it imo.

Anyone else giving up specific drugs for the year, or just for the hell of it? My plan has been 0 weed until I either leave the country or am offered some to use on a specific visit/event that's outside my home town, and possibly for the whole year period. It's nice not feeling like my brain is in a fog. Count me out for benzos as well, at least for a long while. And Jesus Christ, never again at 10mg etiz/5mg xanax equivalent per day for over two months, even if I semi-tapered down to 3-4mg/day. I slaughtered some of my former posts on that shit, and tolerance rises way too fast.

Anyone have experience switching from long term d-amph to modafinil or preferably armodafinil? I've been considering using this opportunity of rebound anxiety and less/lower dose compulsive amph use to somehow combined an amph taper with an armodafinil replacement. I'm pretty sure my sub doc doesn't test for either modaf or armodaf, and it's only once every 90 days, so a few days of amph beforehand would be enough to "fool" the test. Is that stuff effective though?
lol - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 00:18:56 EST oaWRMjn3 No.613786 Reply
Yeah I gave up everything after a last hurrah type deal, I'm five weeks into my 8 week treatment for hep C on this mavyret shit and then I'm getting the fuck out of dodge, it's been fun but it's will be too soon if I ever have to take a pill I'm dependent on again, really can't stand the feeling anymore.
lol - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 00:21:27 EST oaWRMjn3 No.613787 Reply
Oh yeah saw someone outside the clinic get bashed with a fuckin golf club today, dude fucking winded up and everything it was fucked, of course made getting my dose take forever, gotta love the things that happen when a bunch of degenerates get put in one place


opiate moviess

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- Mon, 24 Feb 2020 22:51:05 EST vpYa5jdA No.613782
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What are some movies(or shows or whatever) that present a more accurate portrayal of opiate addicts? Pic somewhat related it was at least closer to reality to trainspotting.
Clara Gagglelet - Tue, 25 Feb 2020 05:16:50 EST xLCKwbm0 No.613793 Reply
>American-French drama film directed by Ben and Joshua Safdie and written by Ronald BronSTEIN

Yeah thats gonna be a nope for me

1st time buying in like 10 years

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- Fri, 14 Feb 2020 17:30:07 EST OJKO2Dby No.613634
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Finally ran out of my 10 year old H stash that was before the time of fentanyl

Found a guy who normally deals in pharms who got me these, see below

Swears up, down, and sideways that it does NOT contain any fentanyl. I'm a brand new customer, I'm fairly sure he doesn't want me to die today, since I placed a huge pharm order for next week. Personally, i was under the impression that if it's in pebbles it's pretty safe, it's the powder that will fuck your shit up with fentalogues

Is that true, or....

Well, best question would be how can I be safe with these.
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m - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:14:52 EST vgHBTjMI No.613768 Reply
They shouldn't have costed over $1 each, more like $0.50 each max. You got 0.22ug filters? They're such a fine/good filter that they filter out over like ~95% of bacteria types/strains (there are a select few that are smaller than 0.22ug, and most viruses are well below 0.22ug in size), so if you want to make weeks or months worth of product (more like 3-12 months if you truly only use like 1-2x/month), using anything inferior to 0.22ug micron filters will be pretty much guaranteed to become a growing petri dish of bacteria. This is especially true if any sort of sugar-based filler was used by someone along the line.

I'd suggest looking into long term preservative-related solutions to use alongside micron filtering and refrigeration/freezing. This is total guess work on my part, but something like the minimum quantity of iodine necessary to at least slow bacteria growth, if not prevent it altogether, might be a viable option depending on how safe that is for nasal consumption.

Do all this research before you start experimenting. If I didn't make it clear before, you should be able to push through/filter a significant portion of your first batch with just one or two filters. It's not like $1 per filter is all that expensive if you manage to filter at least ~0.25-0.5g of product per filter, if not more. You more than make up your money back in terms of not having to deal with cotton "washes" that are definitely not good for you, and that mystery unknown quantity of active drug lost in cotton washes (maybe ~3-7%? who fucking knows) certainly is worth more than ~$0.50.

Let us know if we can help with anything else. If you do use a needle to suck up the unfiltered stuff, after you attach a filter on the end and slowly push it through into a clean sterile second container, be sure to attach a NEW needle that hasn't come in contact with unfiltered solution.

If the product is too adulterated to conveniently filter through your micron filters without clogging to shit, consider using a home made cotton "filter" to use as your first filter before using the 0.22ug filters. If you want a top-tier product, look into purchasing a much less fine filter, maybe something like ~5ug or 10ug in size, that you use first before the 0.22ug filter. This will prevent cotton particles from ending up in your intermediary solution or clogging up your micron filter. It will also prevent marginal active drug loss by getting stuck in the cotton filter.
Edward Crisslewuck - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 21:56:15 EST QfB53hD5 No.613777 Reply
That's where I got them, it was $28 for 6 filters. Not in the USA though, that might be why.

Thanks for your help. Most H here is cut with Mannitol. I also ordered a pack of fentanyl test strips, which haven't arrived yet - but they only alert for presence of, not quantity of fent - and apparently they don't even register BS like carfentanil.

I also plan on grabbing a naloxone kit and having a buddy sit with me for the first time or two. Fingers crossed.

I regret not buying more H back in the day for my stash, I was fairly sure what I had would last longer than a decade, but then car accident #2 and #3 kinda fucked with my plans. Ah well.

Do I have to join a secret society to find H dealers?

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- Sun, 23 Feb 2020 20:38:17 EST N4RiHE14 No.613761
File: 1582508297957.jpg -(61470B / 60.03KB, 1112x1112) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Do I have to join a secret society to find H dealers?
Why is finding an H/fent dealer so much more difficult than it is to find any other drug dealer? It's like you gotta be part of a secret network or some shit. I understand less people fuck with it and it has a stigma but doesn't make it easier for buyers to find suppliers.

Tips and tricks? If allowed not sure if not sorry forget I said anything.
m - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 19:44:16 EST vgHBTjMI No.613775 Reply
It's because they're hunted down by law enforcement much more heavily that pretty much any other drug/drug class except possibly meth. Fent dealers ultimately end up indirectly getting someone killed eventually (whether it's truly their fault or not is up for lengthy discussion), so the general population supports such measures. The demand regularly outpaces supply, as seen by the very fact that fent lacing/heroin-free, fent-only dope is so popular, particularly in the NE, the eastern half of the Midwest, and in the South when east of either New Orleans or Atlanta, depending on who you talk to. It's everywhere, and if supply heavily outweighed demand, at least more of the fentadope would actually have some real heroin in it. It does not.

Most dealers treat you with the same mentality. They seem to always have someone else who wants it anyways.

Do yourself a favor and stick to DNM dope, preferably US-to-US domestic parcels only. While many vendors do have fent-laced product, there's usually a half dozen to a dozen longer term vendors who regularly receive 4 or 5 stars out of 5, and every 3rd or 4th review includes people specifically saying it tested negative for fent using their fent strips. It's always possible that those vendors are using a non-fent opioid RC or a fentalogue RC that isn't detected, but it's safer than the streets.

Besides, if you're using fent dope anyways, why not just order like 100mg or 1g "pure" fentdope, dissolve it in nasal spray bottles, and save yourself like ~70-95% the cost of local "heroin" that is entirely void of real heroin.


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- Mon, 27 Jan 2020 19:29:25 EST UI/tVgrq No.613277
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Can someone give me the low down on this shit?

I've been a hardcore drug addict for years now (IV heroin, crack etc) but I don't know shit about this tianeptine stuff. I had briefly heard about back in 2016 on circlejerk but never really paid attention to it. Now everyone around me is talking these Tianaa things in gas stations and people swear by them.

I know the gas station stuff is stupid expensive compared to just ordering the pure ingredient online, but is it worth trying. Is it an effective on Vivotrol? Also i hear the withdrawals are horrendous, can anyone attest to that?
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Samuel Brimmersudge - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:42:28 EST D/iKjtLy No.613762 Reply
It's not the coke of opioids. Its the CRACK of opioids. The shit feels amazing, especially in the beginning. But it really makes you want to redose.
Clara Breshwack - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:03:35 EST W90qOOis No.613766 Reply
haven't tried it yet but I will soon, i've heard pretty much everything everyone else has mentioned, but also all ROAs other than oral are prohibitively dangerous, especially IV/IM
Clara Breshwack - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:17:39 EST W90qOOis No.613770 Reply
also marked differences in intensity and duration of action between sulfate vs sodium, the former lasts far long but has a lower peak

from what I've heard the freebase is unpalatable difficult to work with, i've not heard of anyone getting it, perhaps if you were keen on smoking/injecting it that would be the best option but again i've heard nothing but horror stories from people who have

Switching from methadone to suboxone

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- Sat, 22 Feb 2020 17:23:40 EST eDCRoLMi No.613738
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Hello everyone,

I've been on methadone for around 2 1/2 years I originally was at 80-120mg a day. I maybe having a change in income soon and may possibly lose my medicaid insurance that covers my methadone. I need to know what is the easiest way to transition to suboxone. Many people say either taper to under 30mg or just stop taking methadone or use heroin for around 7-10 days then wait till sick to start taking the suboxone. Also is suboxone covered by most insurance company like work insurance? They job already knows I'm a addict so it doesn't matter and its a guaranteed thing. I'm also pretty sick and tired of the daily trip to the clinic even if i do get like 3 take homes a week. Also do are psychiatrists willing to prescribe benzos to people on suboxone cause thats another major reason why I want to switch aswell besides for the income insurance issue. Thanks
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Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:05:22 EST +fyOnr4d No.613744 Reply
Smarter just to wean off the juice and leave the subs out of it my friend.nb.
m - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:11:19 EST vgHBTjMI No.613745 Reply
Also, at least from my experience using two separate private psychiatrists who were also bupe docs, both of them had what is basically a pseudo-zero tolerance policy for benzos if you weren't epileptic. When you sign up, they say from day one that they will not script chronic benzos for absolutely any reason, and if they do feel the need to script them, it's only the lowest dose necessary for no more than the equivalent of 2 weeks daily dosage, and that they don't expect any patient to need more than ~14 day's worth of doses during any one 90 day period.

I did receive one benzo script from my current psych sometime around like Thanksgiving of 2018, but he intentionally scripted ativan instead of xanax, insisted that he would never script xanax or kpins for any reason, and only gave me 28x0.5mg tablets, which are roughly equal to just 0.25mg xanax each lol, so it was like getting the equivalent of just 14x0.5mg xanax tablets, or basically just 3.5 2mg xanax bars.

Apart from being useful in terms of legally being able to piss hot for diclazepam or lorazepam itself when tested for employment or legal reasons for at least 1 year, to some degree possibly ~1.5-2 years, it was a colossal waste of time receiving the equivalent of 7mg xanax to last me 3 months. Then after 3 months, even without any signs of improvement, he decided I "wasn't a good candidate" for more benzo scripts, even though all my piss tests at the time were clean.

It seems like you'd be more likely to succeed in getting an adderall script than a benzo one. Benzos and opioids taken together are what kill people, even if benzos+ bupe isn't as bad a benzos+ methadone. Doctors treat it all the same.

Just get a bupe + stimulant script and buy your benzos online. RC benzos are much cheaper than bupe or stimulants, and most lab tests don't even detect for example etizolam use, and definitely much less so clonazolam and possibly flualprazolam use.
Henry Brangertidge - Mon, 24 Feb 2020 01:14:53 EST IxGcrMpY No.613765 Reply
The number of times i've tried explaining to pharmacists who, after seeing my subutex+diazepam+zolpidem, suggest I buy some Naloxone, that it's pointless. Also the naloxone is stupid expensive, fucking pharma big.

Mystery pain pill

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- Sat, 08 Feb 2020 00:48:06 EST T1tlQ74y No.613533
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What are these?
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Pandazie - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 19:18:16 EST aro+f/jm No.613760 Reply
Hey Thants you are wrong my friend, Show me proof they are 50mg BRO.... the 50s are orange and are not made by this brand, This brand only makes 5 and 10mg... u are thinking of the ones that say PMS on them... DO UR HW BUD b4 getting all butt hurt that ur wrong..
I guess all these threads and posts from other people saying the same exact thing I said about the same exact pills are wrong tho and ur the right one... smh.

Getting opi scripts from doctor apps

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- Sat, 22 Feb 2020 23:08:54 EST 5U7H9t40 No.613751
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Anyone ever tried or had success trying to get anything good by using one of those video call doctor appointment apps, like where they can send a script to a local pharmacy? How easy would it be to make up some chronic injury or pain and get them to write me a script for something good? Or could I get them to refill an old script for something like an opi or a benz?
Caroline Snodbanks - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 00:35:33 EST l/QqfqV/ No.613753 Reply
>something good

Fucking good luck trying to get anything more than 5mg hydrocodone (at BEST) unless you're literally dying or are in severe debilitating pain 24/7.
m - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 17:03:15 EST vgHBTjMI No.613759 Reply
>getting restricted Rx meds from a video call doctor

uh yeah no, that's not a thing. Most if not all states don't allow them to script S2 meds for sure, if not S2 and S3 meds. All opioids commonly scripted at either S3 or S2 these days. You can't even get a script that way. The only halfway decent thing they're even allowed to script is probably gabapentin.

That's if they're even willing to do so. I suspect most are not. Your idea is a waste of time. You'd have a 10x better chance by seeing a doctor in person, meaning your chance of success goes from like ~0-0.1% to maybe 1% max, lmao.

Non-chronic pain patients aren't generally treated anymore in the US. If you have chronic pain, then they'll most likely refer you to a subutex or methadone program. If you have the money to pay all out of pocket, you might be able to find a private practice that scripts methadone in pill form 2 or 4 weeks at a time. Technically methadone can only be scripted in such fashion for those with bona fide pain problems, so as solely an addict for example I couldn't utilize such services. Those are your best bet, but don't be surprised if the monthly or 2x/month visit ends up running you like ~$150-200+ per visit, not including the meds.

Also, if you want an opi or benz script, you have to pretty much get one or the other, not both. Generally, unless you're epileptic, no doc will script both anymore.

Just buy your benzos/RC benzos online.

Methadone in au

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- Thu, 13 Feb 2020 11:36:28 EST EtD6ykJ/ No.613615
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Yeah so im done with the bs, I need to get onto methadone, how does one do it in australia? Like I cant even get my valium anymore it fucking sucks and im ready to kill myself
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Reuben Gillyson - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 08:14:38 EST vvb2efLQ No.613756 Reply
Also ive been taking like 10 to 20mg of my dads methadone for years now for it, but he lost his takeaways except for 2, so I only get 3 doses a week and thats bearly anything
Emma Sigglehall - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:29:44 EST FydsvRgh No.613757 Reply
Are you OP?
If so why dont you ask your dad for help getting on methadone
Why'd he lose his takehomes btw
m - Sun, 23 Feb 2020 16:54:58 EST vgHBTjMI No.613758 Reply
You realize that you can't just take methadone maintenance whenever you please, right? Most jurisdictions require a substantial amount of daily supervised dosing until you can get take homes, and by then you'll surely be dependent. This isn't a take-it-as-you-please program, and it's not geared towards pain patients...it's for maintenance.

How do I get rid of pain?

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- Thu, 13 Feb 2020 02:41:21 EST isftLE8E No.613612
File: 1581579681373.png -(70422B / 68.77KB, 688x750) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. How do I get rid of pain?
It is really psychosomatic? What helps got besides junk? Holy shit I'm so non productive when I'm in pain and I'm so depressed about how I'm just in pain all the time, that's why I got hooked on this stuff. My back is killing me, I just want to lay down all the time and because I'm laying down I can't do a lot of stuff, I just want to kill myself because it's so hard to cope by doing drugs. This turns into a habit it is even more comfortable to nod off or I get stuck doing nothing. I don't want to depend on drugs anymore and I was only able to do things like going out because I was using stuff like kratom or poppy pods. When I'm off of them for even months I'm just so different. I don't have motivation. What can I do? I have been doing this song and dance for over a decade now, I was never in danger of dying or shooting up. I never did this to get high. What is the end of addiction or the use of this stuff look like? I'm so done, I can't help but cry like a bitch about how much this drug has taken from me but also gave me an escape from my pain.
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Morphiate !!FINz0LE9 - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 21:17:23 EST zaurUfK0 No.613747 Reply
Just thought I would give my own personal experience with nearly this exact issue.

I wrecked my back way back in highschool and ever since its been in pain. At first it would only be a problem when I was standing for long periods of time. Then I got into opiates and decided to try and scam a script out of it. My back wasn't bad enough to need opis but I got them nonetheless. I was on tons of opioids, vicodin, then trams, and methadone, to morphine, then some dilaudid+morphine, then to fent patches, then finally back to methadone. All the while I was using huge amounts of poppy pods every day.

During this time my back got so much worse. So days I would wake up in the morning and my back would be hurting so much I couldnt move. Thats why I kept getting my dosages upped and switched to new meds. It really was getting worse in my head despite the drugs and the crazy amount of alternative treatments I was trying out. Then finally my doctor said she couldn't continue prescribing me Methadone and said I would have to ween off. It took a few months after being cut off before I actually stopped for good.

During my time in withdrawal my back got even worse. It made me want to relapse every single moment of every day. But I pushed through it and like 4 or 5 months clean I actually started to feel better. My back wasn't as bad as in withdrawal or when I was using. I did fall back into chipping again but I've stayed away from more than a few weeks using at a time and my back has never been better. It actually gets worse when I abuse for more than a few days in a row.

You may have come across the condition known as "Opioid-induced hyperalgesia". Its a rare disorder but it can manifest itself in individuals who use lots of opioids painkillers. Basically the opioids themselves start to make your body MORE sensitive to pain instead of helping alleviate it. I'm not saying you or even I had that condition, but its something to think about for sure. All I know is getting clean of the opioids (that I admittedly didn't really need) improved my pain levels.

One thing I will mention is that the other thing that improved my back more than anything else was changing beds. When I was in the middle of my opioid abuse I was sleeping on a crappy futon that I never bothered to fold out. When I switched to a normal memory foam bed it was only a week or so before my back started to improve. So that's something to think about. People have suggested yoga and other stretching to me but I never did any of it lol.

Anyways I hope that helps in some way. I've lived with back pain for over a decade and I know just how debilitating and demoralizing having constant pain and immobility can be. I hope you can find some relief outside of the painkillers.

Kratom and other opiates.

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- Sat, 22 Feb 2020 17:58:20 EST hSVJXVfO No.613740
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Will taking kratom (around 10 gs) in the morning block any other opiates I plan taking later in the day? Or kill a good amount of the high?
m - Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:15:51 EST vgHBTjMI No.613746 Reply
Generally, yes it most likely will. Everyone is different, but yeah don't mix kratom with other opioids unless the kratom dose is very small (<1-2g) and the non-kratom opioid dose isn't too big. Wait at least 24 hours, or optimally maybe ~36-72 hours, before taking other opioids. If you had only taken like 3-3.5g then maybe 24hr would be fine, but 10g is a large dose.

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