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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

Armchair pharmacokinetics

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- Tue, 03 Sep 2019 05:18:06 EST zaurUfK0 No.610024
File: 1567502286870.jpg -(78797B / 76.95KB, 547x600) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Armchair pharmacokinetics
So I'm bored and high/drunk and thought I'd solicit some ideas. I'm a weekly chipper who prefers poppy seed tea, primarily a mix of morphine and codeine. I'm trying to increase the duration of my experience without necessarily increasing the peak plasma concentrations. I.e. I'm not necessarily looking to improve first pass metabolization (Although I plan to cover the standard cyp enzymes for that). My aim is to slow down the 2nd pass metabolization by UTG enzymes. After a bit of reading I'm pretty certain that UTG2B7 is the specific one I want to inhibit. 1A1 is also involved to an extent but everyting points to 2B7 as being the main culprit for morphine glucuronidation (M3G, M6G).

The only viable OTC inhibitor of 2B7 I have found is an antifungal called Ketoconazole. It has the nice property of becoming concentrated in the liver after administration (Takeda et al. 2006) but unfortunately its mostly in topical applications (except for a fish tablet I found lol). I haven't found any herbal sources although I am investigating a few leads.

So besides any UTG inhibitors (and I would love to know about any), has anyone come up with a reliable way to inhibit second-pass metabolization of morphine to its removal products (besides its demethylation which is P450 related)?

And yeah I realize morphine will still be removed despite inhibition of both CYP and UTG enzymes but any help is fine.
Ian Shittingworth - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 10:24:37 EST cbXJ46oj No.610029 Reply
well in the spirit of the thread title I'm going to be talking out of my ass quite a bit here.
ok, I haven't looked into inhibiting UTG but I feel like that is something of a dead end. If something that was easily accessible and safe could increase morphine duration for "free", it would probably have been found already. There's a chance something slipped through the cracks, but you'd be on the cutting edge of that specific use so no telling about any health effects.

My thought would be to find out why PST lasts so much longer than plain morphine (my guess: all the other alkaloids clog up the works, or it contains a specific compound that increases the duration through some mechanism).
If it's the former, buy some cheap, mildly active (but not bunk) seeds and use those in conjunction with the good ones (experiment; I'd do a few tests doing them simultaneously, dosing the cheap stuff 3 hours in, dosing it 6 hours in, and dosing it 2 hours before, just to get an idea on what effect, if any, it has).
If it's the latter, that method might also work. Of course, if someone got the funding and used meticulous, well documented trials to compare the resulting effects with chemical analysis of the seeds we could actually get somewhere but of course that will never happen.

I will end on the easiest, simplest, possibly only answer: redose.
dr. m - Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:17:13 EST LOk04uH3 No.610056 Reply

Yeah this guy is dead on about combining with other seeds. Find a solid Spanish seed vendor that charges no more than $4/lb, preferably ~$2-2.50/lb. They exist. Then do a first wash ONLY on these seeds, no second wash. Then reuse that first wash as your liquid for doing a first wash on your regular UK seeds. Then use additional water on the side for your regular second wash.

The other alkaloids, even the non-opioid opiates, indeed clog up the works so to speak.

HELP! Taking my prescribed suboxone while on heroin to make my pupils dilate/normal

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- Tue, 03 Sep 2019 13:40:27 EST TMMZRLPd No.610032
File: 1567532427846.jpg -(77939B / 76.11KB, 710x533) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. HELP! Taking my prescribed suboxone while on heroin to make my pupils dilate/normal
My mother can always tell 110% of the time when I'm on any substance. I will see her in a few hours and my pupils are small from opiate, specifically heroin, usage. I am prescribed Suboxone, since Suboxone will cause me to go into withdrawal and I was wondering if that would make my pupils normal? Withdrawing on opiates anyway causes ones pupils to dilate. Will this work? Also any other ideas for making my pupils dilate? Thanks for the help!
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My mom can always tell by my pupils - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 20:05:38 EST TMMZRLPd No.610046 Reply
I rarely take heroin anymore, I take subs everyday. I took dope for 2 days str8 basically, and took the subs. I had minor withdrawal for an hour or so but felt normal after. Granted, if I was deep in heroin, I would never force withdrawals on myself by taking Suboxone, that would feel terrible. It worked in this case since I had always been taking subs so the withdrawal was nonexistent. She knows about the subs as they are prescribed, btw guys everything worked out she didn't know I took anything this morning and the crisis has been averted lmao. Thanks for the suggestions though
Cedric Billyham - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 21:22:40 EST DOtmUPy9 No.610049 Reply
That's really good to hear, I thought you were actually high. Glad to hear everything worked out.

Quick question,

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- Mon, 02 Sep 2019 20:20:02 EST vYqJkZrM No.610007
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How long will heroin stay good for in a syringe?
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P - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 01:45:09 EST DOtmUPy9 No.610022 Reply
Yeah but the amount of sugar in a heroin solution isn't enough to make a brine. For sugar preservation you need 1:3 - 1:1 sugar/water. Sugar content of heroin is 10-30%, and usually a few mls are used. And of course a ml od water is a gram. You have a 200mg dope / 2ml solution, then you have a 1:33 sugar / water ratio aka a 3% solution.

Even a gram of dope at 30% sugar in 1ml of water is still just barely getting there.

So yes, it will serve as food for bacteria.

And the refiltering part has a purpose too. It's not like it's a micron filter, but it will filter a significant amount of bacteria. Not directly, but some will be filtered. It's easy to do and at least won't hurt.

And finally; no, diamorphine in ice will not degrade any appreciable amount. I don't have a study to back this up, but I highly doubt diamorphine degrades in frozen in ice. More importantly, diamorphine degradation is irrelevant in this conversation; at an acidic ph, diamorphine has a half life of 14 days. Considering the vast majority of heroin is acidic, from leftover acetic acid (a product of the anhyrdride of course), then we can be confident degradation is low. And if it is alkaline, then it would definitely make sense for freezing to prevent hydrolysis, considering the enhancement of base hydrolysis by temperature, it's not a stretch to think freezing would significantly slow or stop it.

And regardless, the freezing was more meant to stop bacterial growth.

On the air part, no, this is simply not true. The only danger of ntroducing air is bubbles, not bactera. Bacterial counts in air are relatively low and the freezing will kill them anyways.

And finally, remnant bacteria and bacterial toxins are of little concern. The amount of bacterial toxins will be the same regrdless of freezing or not (unless they let the syringe sit out, which freezing fixes). Bacterial and fungal regrowth is also not a concern, as it will be extremely low, won't have a time to regrow before injection (30 minutes of thawing doesn't matter), and won't be any higher than it was when being frozen. At the very least it will be the same as it was when frozen.

The toilet paper was merely to stop cross contamination with the freezer, which is probably unnecessary.

Note, when I mentioned freezing I was more talking about freezing syringes that have just been made. I misspoke. The only truly safe way of using old syringes is a micron filter.
Fanny Smallville - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 18:25:32 EST rSc1Exc3 No.610043 Reply
Not an expert here, so bear with me.
>get it
>Put in syringe(brand new) asap.
>put in freezer

If the electrons can't move due to the temperature slowing down their speed, It will not degrade or at least will not degrade as fast. Even volatile psychoactive substances are stable for years/decades stored this way. All this talk boils down to the movement of electrons weather in the substance or the bacteria.

What Hillbilly Heroin says is pretty on point, I imagine he has quite a bit more knowledge than I. Albeit the last part, I would ask if stored correctly does de-acetylazation really happen that fast?

Last but not least bacteria is much more cold & heat resistant than most think. You do you.
Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 21:14:47 EST 7Y8izlLY No.610048 Reply
>What Hillbilly Heroin says is pretty on point, I imagine he has quite a bit more knowledge than I. Albeit the last part, I would ask if stored correctly does de-acetylazation really happen that fast?

Short answer: It depends
Long answer: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1357144/

Junkie Jesus is Real

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- Tue, 03 Sep 2019 00:05:05 EST DOtmUPy9 No.610017
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So yesterday I made a post about running out of everything and finding a random sub, and then today I updated about how it didn't work. I made the thread about the sub in a ziploc bag.

I was hopeless and talked about future required hustling.

Well somehow, through some stroke of divine luck, I managed to get 8 sub strips for $40. I have to pay another $120 within a week or two which is fine.

I woke up today with zero dollars to my name, very little hope in being able to make money, and zero sub connections whatsoever (or so I thought).

And now I'm going to sleep today with 8 sub strips and a good (and last) dose of kratom.

I am somewhat busy tomorrow morning and don't wanna dose before my thing, so I'll have to wake in WD and stay in WD until 12am-1. That's a price I'm willing to pay. It'll feel great when I dose and it'll be smooth(er) sailing from there.

Fucking so happy, thank you God or the Universe or whatever. I appreciate it.

If you want the full story let me know. I don't wanna post a long retarded story if no one wants to read it.
Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 00:34:12 EST 7Y8izlLY No.610019 Reply
You know you don't have to make a brand new thread for every new post, right?

Your thread (well one of the few you have made in the last 24 hrs) is even directly below this one and this thread is a direct update to it.

Shitting Fabberdale - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 16:31:38 EST qsHN3Ndz No.610040 Reply
>If you want the full story let me know.

I’ll bite

need help w this detox

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- Mon, 02 Sep 2019 22:40:53 EST wt8RugVD No.610011
File: 1567478453793.jpg -(100479B / 98.12KB, 1031x1024) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. need help w this detox
ok so i've been addicted to fent for a few months now. it's street quality stuff probably hella cut with dormin. my roa mostly has been iv'ing. i normally start experiencing mild w/d symptoms and waited about 16-18 hrs before trying to dose ~2mg generic orange suboxone. the symptoms didn't really fade, nor did they get much worse so i figured i was in the clear of precip. i dosed a couple more times with no avail and also took kratom and loperamide throughout . with 3mg xanax i was able to sleep for a few hours. at around 36 hours, i'd taken about 20mg of the bupe total with symptoms of the w/d not getting any better. i caved and used some fent, didn't get high but felt a little better. i took a nap, woke up feeling normal, then took another 2mg of sub. no precip w/d again, i just feel normal. i know i'm a huge dumb ass but i'm just wondering where to go from here. if anyone has any advice please help. i have approx ~16mg of the subs left (2 orange pills). thank you.

ps i'm also not sure if i'm taking the sub wrong. never been prescribed, i got mine from a friend. i've been breaking pieces off and putting them under my tongue until they dissolve then swallow.
Walter Henkinshaw - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:41:26 EST Gzu85Ki2 No.610012 Reply
*i normally start experiencing mild withdrawals after four hours****
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:58:23 EST OgX3IMCX No.610013 Reply
are you swallowing the pills? If you are don't do that.
other than that i know people on like 24mg sub who use fent and take their bupe everyday and only experience mild wd's for a few hours each day(I know how contested that sounds). If you are taking them properly I'd just say keep at it and expect to only have mild wd symptoms for a short time and stay off the fent
Walter Henkinshaw - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 00:36:10 EST Gzu85Ki2 No.610020 Reply
thanks so much. just gonna keep at it and maybe try and acquire a few more subs for the next few days. w/d isnt that bad. no puking or shitting just very uncomfortable. i've been thru worse so i think i got this

Just found a random sub in ziploc bag. Water damage?

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- Sun, 01 Sep 2019 16:34:17 EST DOtmUPy9 No.609962
File: 1567370057269.jpg -(12343B / 12.05KB, 300x299) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Just found a random sub in ziploc bag. Water damage?
So I'm about to run out of dope, got less than a days worth left, and so I was rummaging around my room, seeing if I had any dope or money hidden away (no on that end). I was feeling pretty hopeless and was about to walk out, but for some reason right before I left I got the urge to rummage through this pile of old clothes I haven't touched in a while. This is a pile of old clothes I don't wear anymore, snd because I'm lazy and gross they've just sat there for months. I almost didn't look, but decided to check the pockets of an old pair of inside-out shorts and what do you know, I found a ziploc bag with a bright orange, yet somewhat crushed pill. Considering I stored my subs in ziploc bags this is pretty much guaranteed to be one. Must be from last Christmas.

Only problem is, my room flooded a couple months ago, and I am positive these shorts got soaked for a couple days. Ziploc bags are waterproof but I'm not sure for how long. So I'm wondering if this pill will even be active or not.

Considering it's still bright orange, and still more or less in the shape of a pill, just crushed at the edges, I assume that means the water didn't touch it too much. If it did then it'd have dissolved or least be a mess of powder residue. The bag was folded over itself multiple times as was which I assume gave it greater resistance to water.

Basically I'm wondering whether I could count on it working tomorrow, or whether I should be trying to get money instead.

I'll take a picture of it in a bit, I'd also appreciate any help determining whether it's a whole pill or just a chunk of one, I've forgotten the size of the orange boxone pills.
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Lillian Dartbanks - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 22:00:00 EST o699qpo4 No.610010 Reply
>Any advice brothers?

You got a gun and a circle k nearby?

Respiratory depression Subutex

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- Sun, 01 Sep 2019 15:38:45 EST DJY96Jzo No.609961
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I did 4 mg buprenorphine with low tolerance, is this danger territory?
I heard bupe is not like full agonists and a respiratory depression is less likely
Ernest Huffinggold - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 19:57:57 EST E/q/eqiZ No.609968 Reply
you will be fine, ventilate urself,drink water, and dont do anymore for at least 12 h
Charlotte Fisslefoot - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 17:17:14 EST 8zBNFcbN No.610003 Reply
it has lower resp depression than other opis, but even then, 4mg isnt much. worst case is maybe nausea and nodding out. its very hard to od on just bupe.

Shooting first time

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- Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:47:30 EST nobweYpQ No.609374
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Just got some 30 gauge syringes and am getting an 8 ball of h on Thursday. I need instructions, this is happening so don't talk me out of it. How do I use filters? How do I dose out my shot? These are two of the main questions. Thanks
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dr. m - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 23:17:19 EST 1qKXc0ke No.609589 Reply

and if it isn't obvious, replace the word circlejerk with r3ddit (3=e)


Methadone Intake

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- Mon, 02 Sep 2019 10:32:28 EST 2hQ1moY2 No.609985
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Hey y'all. Getting on methadone soon, any general tips or advice? I'm most interested in the intake process -- I know they don't like to see people taking any benzos whatsoever.

Are there any other substances I should be worried about? I'm kinda wary about my tramadol use. I take it to potentiate any other opis I can find. Helps me save money and keep my tolerance manageable. Well, it did for 5+ years. Not anymore. Now it's just another drop in the vast ocean of my appetite.

Also, will finagling the doc to immediately put me on 20 mg of methadone prove unwise? I've read most start at that range.
lol - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 12:23:28 EST oaWRMjn3 No.609989 Reply
You actually wanna be clean or are you gaming the system trying to have your cake and eat it too? Take it serious if you do. People out here who treat it that way for the most part end up kicked out or in the dirt. Its not something to be fucked with, consider something more mild like sub if this is your first rodeo. Good luck.

Poppy Seed Tea recipes

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- Tue, 06 Aug 2019 22:08:02 EST nh2AEG+6 No.608917
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Brew it up
Add cream and sugar
Dump a small bottle of marichino cherries syrup and all in there
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Shitting Cossleway - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 19:28:56 EST cbXJ46oj No.609559 Reply
I think opiate addiction in general causes weight loss (spending money on drugs instead of food, forgetting to eat cause the drugs dulled your hunger, forgetting to eat because you passed out for 12 hours straight, ect)
Hugh Hirryfit - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 19:33:40 EST wapk+IGn No.609966 Reply
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Hey I'm new to this whole poppy tea thing. I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction to somewhere that sells unwashed seeds?
I'd really appreciate it

Am I just deluding myself or is the dream attainable for some?

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- Fri, 23 Aug 2019 01:04:49 EST NjmKkIbD No.609759
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Sup /opi/, I'd like y'all degenerate junkies' advice on something. To give a bit of background, I was an IV H addict for about 7 years, and then ended up switching to methadone and doing a slow taper over the course of ~3 years while I severed all my drug connections, got my shit together, and finally got 100% clean back in May. Since then I've been drinking occasionally, and have been dabbling with other shit, but with no problems keeping my use in check. Now I just recently found out my connect for other shit also sells H, so (me being me and enjoying tempting fate) decided to purchase a gram of tar. I've been smoking a little of it on the weekend for the past few weeks but my mind is stressing me out with thoughts of "oh, well I just fucked up years of sobriety from opiates, I'm not gonna be able to handle it and this'll turn into a downward spiral that will ruin my life once again", but at the same time I know I'll never use a needle again and I *know* I'll never use two days in a row again to avoid physical W/Ds. So, is this just my meaningless OCD kicking into gear, or is occasional (weekly or less frequent) use of heroin doable after being an addict for so long? Is it inevitable that my frequency of use will ramp up again, or have any of you successfully set rules that you *know* you can't break in order to live a happy life?
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Hugh Worthingridge - Fri, 30 Aug 2019 17:42:41 EST ESCXnZgl No.609933 Reply
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I don't think we actually know that much about recovery at all, but damned near everything in life is in shades of grey, nothing really is binary. At least in the US, all "recovery programs" are abstinence only programs preaching black and white narrative, and scolding and shaming for a single use, while simultaneously proclaiming the junky is not in control. So which is it? Am I out of control and not responsible for my actions? Or am I goodboi for not using? The mental gymnastics of making that making sense to someone indicates an unhealthy mind.

Those abstinence only programs are full of people who are "sober" but really more of just dried out drunks. Off the sauce, no change in attitude or behavior except for actually picking up the DOC and using. That's just not recovery from mental illness, just a band aid solution. I'd like to back that up by pointing out how in Europe they treat addiction. They start by stabilizing the person from highs and lows with clinics and metered doses of opiates, rehabbing the persons mind, getting them jobs, getting them involved with family and friends and then by the nature of re-integration the people tend to wean off on their own. That's very much mirrored by the success of suboxone clinics in the US. I think the methadone is different due to how its dispensed.

the tldr to what I'm trying to get at is that the metric of sober time is really worthless, and the quality of mental health is the only (subjective) meaningful metric. People that have that down, the mental health part, reintegrated with society, and being productive are people that may [/b] be able to chip successfully. Otherwise no, do not use. Getting high is putting icing on the cake of life. All icing and you're just a fat lonely diabetic.
Hugh Worthingridge - Fri, 30 Aug 2019 17:57:30 EST ESCXnZgl No.609934 Reply
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Nah man I don't think you're the exception rather than the rule, but you ARE the rule, like me. You got mentally healthier and thus succeeded. Every junky I know who's actually gotten well in the head, has often been smarter, and definitely harder working than their peers. You're saying nearly the same thing I did. You have to get your head on straight.

I do think that you're run of the mill of "treatment" does not actually lead to people getting well, but rather just dried out or physically without drugs.


I know I didn't have hangups or anger or anything wrong with my mental state while I was using. I also found out that I was dead wrong after getting better. People use drugs because they feel good. People do things compulsively because something is wrong or upsetting them. Dealing with the compulsive aspect of your personality is how you get right. I really wish someone had told me that before I did the 12 steps 4 times, or went to rehab 3 times, etc, etc
Doris Murddock - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 07:41:55 EST cbXJ46oj No.609942 Reply
what thread are we even in? did you read OPs post and think "yeah, this guy wants to be "clean" (you know what I mean)"? Every time one of these threads comes up, people come out of the woodwork to justify their use. Use, don't use, nobody who doesn't know you personally cares, but telling people that using opiates while trying to stay clean from opiates is anything but a recipe for further addiction is dangerously bad advice.

I didn't mention anything about sober time or anything, you didn't really respond to anything I said or seem to read my post too closely. again, claiming that abstinence only programs only make sense to an unhealthy mind (ps: healthy minds are not usually drug addicts so weird direction to go with that) is the exact black and white mentality that you claim to be against. and again, I don't even like 12 step programs so you're only really arguing against this made up idea of what you think my opinion is.

OP (and 99% of this board) don't live in countries that have sane drug policies and safe access to opiates for cheap, so pointing to that as an excuse to use while pretending you wont end up addicted again doesn't really check out. the realities of opiate addiction are so radically different in somewhere like the US compared with whatever country gives out free morphine to whoever needs it (i forget where).

to sum up my point (if you want to respond to any of this, respond to this): using opiates is the literal only way to end up physically addicted to them. If you decide that being high for a few hours is worth that risk, I have a hard time believing you can handle chipping

Kratom strains

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- Sun, 18 Aug 2019 16:39:52 EST pP9ksngJ No.609612
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I have tried green maeng which is balanced to the side of energizing and motivating while relieving pain and tiny relaxation. But it's not suited for sleeping because it's too stimulating. I haven't tried any other strain like the red ones, do those make you sleepy in low-medium doses or are you able to carry on with normal activities?

Green maeng is very good daytime strain for me but Im looking for a different balanced strain that errs more on the side of relaxing / pain killing side while also being energizing and a sense of well being. What strain could do that? Even a higher dose of maeng doesnt produce results i want just more unwanted stimulation.

Also could you mix strains or does it cause imbalanced effects ? eg. mixing red and green/white

What is your favorite kratom strain?
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Samuel Hashletch - Tue, 27 Aug 2019 08:13:52 EST OHIHxMID No.609855 Reply
It’s going to vary vendor to vendor but I never step out of Red Bali, and Red MD. sometimes I’ll mix in Green MD which seems to give me and energy boost with a bit of calm and relaxation almost like a low dose of a mild benzo.
Molly Smalllock - Fri, 30 Aug 2019 17:13:01 EST cbXJ46oj No.609929 Reply
can you imagine? if people moved from weaker drugs to stronger drugs (in the same class)? like how crazy would that be if people went from popping codeine and hydros to eventually working their way up to street dope? good thing that's total nonsense and not a real life phenomenon or we might have some sort of opiod crisis on our hands!
Molly Smalllock - Fri, 30 Aug 2019 17:24:07 EST cbXJ46oj No.609930 Reply
>That plays on people's minds
man does it ever. so often I'm like, am I sick or wding or just feel weird? sometimes it means I'll waste a dose just cause i'm nervous, sometimes I sort of ignore it and then boom, I'm right in the thick of it and not remotely prepared. and sometimes I get my symptoms in a different order than usual and it makes things more confusing. plus the worst thing out of all of it, the uncertain timeline. If I knew I'd be good in ~5 days it'd be bearable but some people say it took them weeks to get well. fucking weeks! like god damn, that's too much.

that sounds pretty different than my experience with harder opiate withdrawal. whatever mood I start with (usually somewhat optimistic, like hey this isn't too bad yet maybe I tapered enough, maybe it'll be ok this time), I'm in hell by day 2-3 and I'm not getting more than an hour of sleep at a time till day... 6? idk it's been a while thankfully.

I know this assumption can only bite me in the ass but it seems like kratom wds are definitely a more manageable ordeal than normal wds. I think I will try switching off to that when I'm close to jumping off.

HELP - I swallowed Fentanyl

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- Mon, 26 Aug 2019 02:35:30 EST hQSC038r No.609820
File: 1566801330128.jpg -(7781B / 7.60KB, 288x216) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. HELP - I swallowed Fentanyl
I took it impulsively wanting to die.

I made myself throw up some 20 or 30 minutes after ingesting it.

When will I know that I am safe and won't overdose?

I took it roughly an hour ago.

I'm dizzy but it could be because of the panic attack I'm now having.
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hsn - Wed, 28 Aug 2019 11:25:51 EST cA+802PK No.609878 Reply
They don’t actually want to die. It’s a cry for help. Doesn’t detract from their mental state at all but some people are legit just depressed and use a mild suicide attempt to take that step forward. This is more likely with woman statistically. Also you have the fags who do it strictly for attention with a live stream and all.

You’re underplaying it and coming off like a faggot. OP never said he’s suicidal lmao.
Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Fri, 30 Aug 2019 01:26:44 EST 56TOD6Vq No.609914 Reply
>what's the reason in your case man?
Elaborate. What is the reason I am discussing OP benefitting from seeking mental health treatment or is it something else? I give a shit about the well-being of others and believe harm reduction, general safety, and compassion are necessary when discussing comorbid problems such as depression and substance abuse.

But, OP did state, "I took (fentanyl) impulsively wanting to die." Taking a drug with the intent ultimately being death sounds a lot like suicidal behavior.

reclaim h or m?

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- Tue, 27 Aug 2019 11:45:42 EST 9FVBmnW1 No.609857
File: 1566920742864.jpg -(84388B / 82.41KB, 1068x827) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. reclaim h or m?
I reclaim my heroin smoke residue and collect it to save

I'm now wondering if it's converted back to morphine as it turns to vapor and condenses, spending time in a jar
Nigel Harringfoot - Tue, 27 Aug 2019 15:57:25 EST 6Bp/fQkL No.609863 Reply
H breaks down to M over time when suspended in water, can't say the same for if it's just sitting there in an open-air environment

More of OP image?
Clara Drovingstone - Thu, 29 Aug 2019 08:44:44 EST 9FVBmnW1 No.609895 Reply
Sorry thats all i saw, if u can reverse image search it tho

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