/opi/ Opiate Discussion
To give a little background, my father has cancer and is currently taking 100mg of Tramadol every 6 hours everyday. This 400mg per day, which is the maximum dosage (as far as I know).However, on top of that, he's taking 1mg of alprazolam to help him sleep. This is somewhat an old habit of his, maybe for the last ~1 and a half years.Is he in danger? Will these medications interact?I just discovered TODAY that his taking both, and this (tramadol whole day + alprazolam to sleep) has been going for like 2 weeks. Until now he's ok, some difficult to breathe, but that may be the tumor.Also, what could substitute the alprazolam? We live in Brazil and it's really easy to get access to controlled drugs (e.g. he bought the alprazolam just going to the pharmacy lol).
>>603745>>603746>>603748>>603750>>603755>>603758>>603747Thanks for the answers everyone. Now about the tramadol:Here in Brazil "opiates" and "opiods" are words unheard of. The general public isn't aware of this and "heroin" is something that you only see in movies. For moderate to severe pain management, those who are dependent on the universal healthcare system (Sistema Único de Saúde - SUS) only have a few options, which are codeine, morphine and methadone. That's what those who are poor are entitled to when they have a terminal disease that causes severe pain. In the last days of life my grandfather had unbearable pain, but all he could get was morphine. There's also a misconception here that "morphine is the strongest pain medication" and that "there's nothing stronger than morphine". Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>603760That is terrible to hear but at the same time, it does not surprise me to hear. Do u a have a vehcle or a way to transport out of the country? I have heard that it is very easy to get stronger pain meds South American countries like Colombia. Pharmacies there will sell u stronger meds like oxycodone and even hydromorphone. I would see if this is something you could possibly do. If u are able to get the oxycodone. I would also look into getting some valium as well to go with it. This benzo has good muscle relaxing properties as well as anxiety relief making it good for cancer like pain and pairs well with oxycodone or oxicodona as u would call it in SA. If u can find the oxy u will be able to get valium asd well. Look for the drug name "Endocodil" as this is the name of oxy in Colombia. "Biogenfine" or "Analfin" is the name of the morphine or morfina and hidromorfona is "himop" . Doloff is another good pain med and a bit stronger than the tramadol.
>>603762Thanks for the tips. However, I do think we can find oxy here in Brazil. We live in a small city and one of the pharmacies here sell any kind of med without prescription, but they'll hardly have oxycontin. If someday we need it, I'll ask the doctor. If she denies it and morphine becomes weak, then I may consider "alternative" resources.
I know this is technically /deli/ but my question is specifically geared (pun intended) towards our purposes.. Im Rxd 100mg at night in the form of 2x 50mg capsules. Ive always gotten the Sandoz generics, but this time i got pic related. Google tells me they are made by Rising Pharmaceuticals, which i have never heard of despite being a devout pharmaceutical nerd. The capsules look very "cheap" and the powder inside is much fluffier and dry. Heres my real question: I have tried IVing half a cap mixed in shots of H or Subutex. Looks gross AF but definitely adds quite a bit to the rush.Has anyone tried IVing these ones?
>>603714You should know how people who don't iv things act with shit like that man although I agree to a point it's definitely dangerous and I think you're better off with a billion other things for a rush over hydrox
>>603714>>603714I guess they are used despite being dangerous, when there is a risk of anaphlaxic shock or things like wasp sting in the throat, etc, when there's a risk of death in allergic patients. Definitely not for some anxiolisis or sedation.
>>603714While I realize that the tone was a bit condescending, my interest was only in preventing you (and lurkers) from loss of life or limb, as I just so happened to have read some medical literature with that information.
Hey, got my hands on some grey brown chunks, tested clear of fent. I'm fairly new to opiates, low tolerance etc. I'm wondering if it's better (IE stronger, high bioavailability) to snort it or vape it from a glass pipe? I heard smoking off foil can trigger some bizarre brain damage I'd rather not court. Just want the most bang for my buck, no pun intended, without injecting. The price for fent free is ridiculous so I'd like tonstretch this. Help appreciated,Thanks.
put it up your ass
>>603733Either snort it or plug it...
So I bought some bupe that turns out to be 0.2mg pills, whereas when I tried it years ago, I would get great effects from my friend's orange strips. Half of one--meaning 4mg. (once I stupidly took an entire 8mg strip, with no tolerance--sick for about 36 hours). Math says I'd need to take a lot of these to get going, but I hesitate to take 10 of these at once. Should I try boofing a smaller amount to get more bioavailability? Any ideas?
>>603707It's not a good idea and I personally don't know many people that tried this before including myself who didn't end up just getting more dope and not qutting, one aspect is it's incredibly hard to know how much is in every bit you snort even if the amount of powder is the same that doesn't ,mean all the powder is heroin. Also it's pretty fucking hard to quit dope when you have dope in my opinion, stick to the subs man
>>603711Yeah that's a fair point, although my problems all stemmed from fentanyl not so much heroin. I was a successful chipper of heroin for almost a year (using once-twice a month, never faced any withdrawals or cravings) but as soon as I tried fentanyl I was hooked and started using it everyday pretty quickly.If you put aside the potential for a descent back into addiction, is the idea of using an opioid with a shorter half-life to taper off low-dose suboxone a legitimate theory?
>>603712Yeah i would say it's definitely possible, the other concern I have which is another personal one is that a lot of the more traditional opis you could use feel a hell of a lot better than subs do, although if you're using them in taper doses you shouldnt really feel anything to write home about outside the pleasure of not being sick.i actually did something similar a long time ago but I used tramadol when I had no subs and it did work for sometime, tramadol is a horrible choice due to the other side effects it has most opis don't but you get what I mean.
I got some gear from a highly verified/recommended source. Generally when I choose to dabble again I don’t worry as the gear in my locality is trash and I more than likely won’t fall out. However this batch I know to be top quality so I wonder what’s a safe jumping off point?
>>603626Everything you said is generally correc.. however, i can say with confidence that the benefit of micron filtering is greatly overstated by non IV users when it comes to removing bacteria or other non-particulate things. I consider myself pretty cautious about IV practice by street user standards and i have never used a micron filter or disinfected a needle with anything besides isopropyl alcohol, and even thats rare, as i dont share. As for the question of disinfecting a pre mixed solution, ethanol should work, but any sufficient amount will make it harsh as fuck/potentially harmful to IV. My advice would be to do some research on the things people use when making fent nasal sprays as an alternative. I admittedly know nothing about the process but i am pretty sure theres a generally accepted way to keep the sprays from getting bacteria
>>603654yeah thats why I was saying I dont recommend it and that .22 micron is just the average size of bacteria or whatever, thanks for clarifying that though I should've probably elaborated on that a bit more as I'm sure theres people out there who think micron filtering gets rid of all bacteria (or worse off, all potential dangers from IVing).for fent sprays they mostly use bacteriostatic saline and sterile containers from amazon. the problem lies within people mixing these solutions using nonsterile equipment on a nonsterile surface in their kitchen or starting with nonsterile product to begin with. its possible to be 100% sterile but even if you are in control of all the variables, your fentanyl (or street H/fent) may not be as there really is no standard for that unless you're a total chad ordering fentalogues from sigma aldrich for ur """thesis statement""". but also remember that fent sprays are for nasal and you have a bit more leeway with bacteria than using IV as your ROA. I mean its not a great idea to snort old tap water fent solution esp the proximity to the brain but IVing it introduces a whole new later of shit that can go wrong.
>>603654Hey did you see >>603685 cuz you don’t seem like a very smart drug IV user
I bought some stuff off this guy, I always start really slow whenever I try anything new. Well I tried a tiny tiny bump, the size of my pinky nail. And its so strong that I'm still fucked up 10 hours later. But it wasn't really enjoyable like your standard heroin, maybe cause it's so strong and I took too much by accident. What the hell could be so strong that a tiny pinky bump would fuck me up this much? I'm scared to even touch that shit it's so strong I'm worried I will OD just from touching it.
>>603602 pinky nail sized bump is way too much the way """heroin""" is now
u done hit the fentanyl jackpot homie, congrats. now dont ever dose dry """"heroin"""" in the US again. volumetric dosing is your friend.
What fent analog would last 10 fucking hours and where can I get some?
Just thought I'd ask. I know in general, generics are as effective as name brands. So my autism flared a bit yesterday when I checked CVS.com and saw instead of Suboxone my Rx read BUPRENORPNINE-NALOXONE film and sure enough it's generic. A bunch of District of Delaware cases on the exclusive rights of the patented manufacturer to make Suboxone resulted in a favorable ruling for at least one generic company last year. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/dr-reddys-gets-breather-in-suboxone-case-in-us/articleshow/67868613.cms So tldr any issues with the Generic among other Suboxone patients here?Thanks.
original poster here. I don't even think I'll bump this but I did pick up my generic yesterday and in case anyone else is wondering how the generics are, at least this one is very good. Seems just as effective and I was surprised to see little details like the n8 being on the film the same color film basically the same flavor same texture. So I guess the the patents use must be lenient or even expired in terms of whoever the hell originally made it exclusively as Suboxone. Tldr - it works and it's fine but if anyone else has issues please let me know
Are U4770 analogs any fun? Anyone have experience with them? Fent analogs are pretty much illegal now but U4770 analogs should be US legal correct?
>>603595I've heard they're pretty garbage compared to the original U47700
>>603595dog shit, AP-237 is supposed to be quite nice its just extremely short acting. that new U-88XXX whatever is not that great and people have said it gives a dirty high. by dirty they probably mean it in the same way people say lope/certain fentalogs feel dirty.
Just had a convulsion(im 27) a few days ago and i feel like a fucking old man who was stabbed in the back.Been on 40mg (sometimes i like to IV those pills) err day for almost 2 years.Well i was watching some weird YouTube videos i had insomnia for a few days and dehydrated. Next thing i woke up on the floor and my sister and mother are all hysterical n shit. I go to the hospital and by the end of the day i go home. A psychiatrist tells me opiates are fucking toxic and my body and mind are completely fucked that i could end up as a crazy crack head schizo. Well, i wanna ask my junkie kin, is the psychiatrist full of shit?
>>603582uh wtf im very sorry im getting a weird error that says my post isnt going through and my opi page is not updating or displaying my new posts for me. it just adds under the post ive replied to with my green text post number as shown in pic attached. really wasn't trying to be an asshole or really obnoxious
>>603533>Neurotoxic= toxic to the nervous system
>Neurotoxic= toxic to the nervous system
>>603550>How high are the chances that it was some fucked up RC cut and not just ill reactions to shitty cuts?whats the fucking difference
>How high are the chances that it was some fucked up RC cut and not just ill reactions to shitty cuts?
Just got some Sevredol and I have no idea what they're gonna do.(They're 10mg morphine pills basically.)How different is morphine in pill form compared to the injectable? Will +60mg still kill me?
>>603600Oral is 20-40% oral BA. Basically its 1/3 as efficient as IV. 60mg oral would be unlikely to kill you, but that's approaching the minimum dose required for OD for those with 0 tolerance.If it's your first time ever with opioids, take either 2, 2.5, or 3 tablets. 30mg oral morphine hits like 20mg oral oxy but with less euphoria.
>>603608Also if you plug them they're over twice as strong as oral, ~70% BA.
They are IR and can be easily prepared for iv if you want to. Also having more base Ph of your stomach can possibly increase oral BA. There are OTC meds for that.
I recently got my hands on 40x50mg trams. For two weeks I've been using it every 3-4 days. The highest dose I've taken was 300mg. I've successfully tapered to 100 every week, but the confusion, apathy and sensitivity to pain with flu-like symptoms are killing me. Not even alcohol or benzos were that hard to let go off. Being so paranoid of having a withdrawal and a seizure keeps me in it too. I have access to gabapentine and kratom, would tapering down to 50mg and substituting it with one of the two help with the hurting?
I'm thinking about quiting tram as well, been on it for +5yrs, upping the dose and now on 450mg daily. I also take 20mg Valium daily (don't plan on quiting) since forever. For those who quitted, how long does the WD last? Tried tappering slowly but it doesn't work since I dont have schedule for taking then and would end up taking the same. So most likely I'll have to half the dose or just go cold turkey.Besides valium y have: lyrica, gabapentin (not much), clonazepan, probably some prozac (would not use more than a baby dose), lopes are easy to find. Should that be enough?Should be noted that I'm type-2 bipolar (that's why I'm prescribed valium and lyrica), so no stranger to hard depression, even with that high dosage of trams I still feel it.Also, should I take a couple of weeks of work to quit or it's managable.Heard all kinds of horror storys but they never say how long they lastAny advice will be helpful
>>603575I used tram In those doses for 10 years. I still get it I just don’t take it every day. See if you can get some gabapentin. Between that and kratom your WD should be covered. Like 200% so if you take an extra Valium and get some weed the first few days. Night 3 CT usually is the worst but with comfort meds it’s a walk in the park. I start feeling better in regards to my head clearing up around a week after. But the depression lingers a little bit especially when you’ve been on it so long.
EUfag here, i've tried a few opiates Codeine, oxy, heroin and bupe.My tolerance is like a 30mg oxy crushed and swallowed gets me blasted. I pay a fair price like 20-30 for an OC 80 but i got laid off recently so i was looking for cheaper stuffi'd like to know if anyone has any positive experiences with tapentadol or tram whatsoever. Since i can get those for $1 a 100mg pill.Like can you nod off this stuff or is it a total waste. Thanks
I never liked it, tramadol is much better imo if you have a low tolerance
>>603564The thing about tramadol is it's weak and I'd be getting close to the seizure threshold to be able to catch a nod (OP here).
>>603553I like it a lot better than tramadol I think, I only had it on top of morphine and oxy, kid I knew had tons of pills he would sell me dirt cheap and he threw me a few of those when I grabbed a bunch of stuff, it just seems like tramadol if it were more closely related to traditional opiods, people who are green should get a kick out of this and tramadol but I think this nuxynta shit is way better for getting high off of personally, the other opis could of effected it though.
Does anyone else use ROAs besides IV for heroin because they are too scared of fucking it up and missing? I think that I am too much of an incompetent retard for it. And it REALLY FUCKING PISSSES ME OFF because when I did successfully did it twice, that rush was amazing. I wish that I could hire someone to do it for me. I'm such a dishonorable failure, I can't even be a heroin addict the correct way. I hope I overdose at some point, its not like my waifu is going to come to life anyways.
>>603570>snorting drugs is way worse for health than injecting (properly)source? find that a little bit hard to believe, and his is coming from someone who IVs. Don't your sinuses/nasal passages do a hell of a lot better job filtering out whatever couldn't be caught by a filter than your literal veins do?
>snorting drugs is way worse for health than injecting (properly)
I tried heroin once and it feels like any other opioid, with the exception that you can smoke it which gives you a rush. Now the thing is you really get hooked to the ROA thar provides a rush, not to the substance itself. Which is why some dope fiends foil their oxy, because they have a habit of smoking dope off foil.Is there a way to do heroin and not be addicted? Sure, if you do it once or twice and then quit, it's entirely possible. However if you keep coming back to it the odds of you becoming a full time junkie increase.I've been chipping opiates for two years and I had very obvious warning signs that I was becoming physically dependant. I'm already psychologically hooked, there's no escaping that.
>>603576Also as a clarification. You will probably be addicted if you use often, as in psychologically addicted, from there on it's a fine line to becoming a dope fiend. You can be addicted and clean or not using.
How do you guys get back into various hobbies, activities, things you used to enjoy before you started doing opis and then kept doing while high for years once you sober up? Always wondered how people do it. Every time I go on a clean streak I find myself enjoying nothing no matter how much I enjoyed it before I ever touched opis. I feel so used to enjoying these hobbies or activities while basking in opi warmth for years now. Even the simplest shit like watching movies, playing video games, or listening to my favorite music becomes dull and uninteresting and quickly leads to me turning it off because all I can think about is how I associate those things with using opis and how much more I'd be enjoying it if I was high.Does it ever get better? Can't even listen to my favorite songs or boot up my favorite games without getting serious cravings, shit that should be extremely low effort. And that's not even mentioning other hobbies I used to take seriously like working on my project cars and such, both of my cars have been sitting for months now untouched and it feels like I'm just never going to get around to doing anything about them despite the fact that I used to pour hundreds of hours into caring for them.
Personally I want to live with low tolerance on a weak opioid for the rest of my life. I loved US pharmacy tramadol with zero tolerance. I could study like a mofo and no one could tell I was high. I did amazing in my classes despite tramming. Unfortunately the tolerance issue causes problems.
>>602734>I know that was a joke but meth's not really an optionIt wasn't a joke, unfortunately, and it's an option just not a good one. Still off opis but Jesus the tweaker degeneration/deterioration is real. At least when I was nodding I didn't piss away so much money on dumb shit but mostly hookers.ULDN may be helpful, it's hard to say. Also, now I'll never be able to know if the PAWS is from opiates or stimulants! Warning: blog post followsDefinitely getting on to time to sort my fucking life out. I'm way better with women on opiates but not interested in fucking, on meth I want to fuck all the time but am hopeless at talking to women and even more socially awkward than normal.
>I know that was a joke but meth's not really an option
>>603471>Definitely getting on to time to sort my fucking life out. I'm way better with women on opiates but not interested in fucking, on meth I want to fuck all the time but am hopeless at talking to women and even more socially awkward than normal.It's funny how that works. I'm not bad looking at all, always get told that I'm fairly conventionally attractive, but I've never been good with women at all. Too much of an autistic sperg, I can't handle myself normally in conversations and always end up saying the wrong shit or rambling on and on and spooking them off. The few times I did get close I didn't have enough experience to know what kind of move to make so I ended up brushing them off and leaving. One of the reasons I relapsed to opiates was to get over that crippling sense of loneliness I was feeling in my 20s, watching all my friends getting into long term, stable relationships and feeling incredibly left out. After a few months of using again, I met this really cute, innocent girl, around 19 years old, complete biblefag, just the most pure, tender, kind person imaginable. She'd keep coming around, trying to hang out with me, trying to cheer me up and make me feel better, some straight up Misaki NHK type shit. Eventually even ended up confessing that she liked me. Felt too fucking guilty taking things any further because of my opi habit, didn't want to drag her down by getting her tangled up with a degenerate autist like me, and turned her down. Fucked up that the closest I've gotten to being with a woman who actually reciprocated my feelings, who I actually had a ton of fun being around, who I actually felt comfortable being around for the first time and not a complete autistic mess, happened to be during one of the darkest times of my life as a complete and hopeless dope feen. Sorry for rambling, nb. Just needed to get it off my chest. I'm afraid of quitting, I feel like dope is all I have going for my emotional needs, it's going to be hard to find a chance like that and if I quit I'm still going to be single, just sober and even more fucking miserable. This all probably sounds pathetic as fuck but who cares, it's anonymous.
>Definitely getting on to time to sort my fucking life out. I'm way better with women on opiates but not interested in fucking, on meth I want to fuck all the time but am hopeless at talking to women and even more socially awkward than normal.
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