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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

Methadone water

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- Mon, 01 Jul 2019 00:49:40 EST PhhD3Hw0 No.607629
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How much oral Methadone to get high in someone who has never taken opiates before and zero tolerance?
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dr. m - Mon, 01 Jul 2019 23:50:26 EST 1qKXc0ke No.607653 Reply
>>607629

Yeah for real be careful. Go online and figure out what the equivalent dosage of oral methadone is equal to either 10mg oral oxycodone, 15mg oral hydrocodone, or 15-20mg oral morphine.

While those doses might do nothing for some first timers, others might even get too high from just 20mg morphine or 15mg hydrocodone. Everyone is different.

Methadone should be EXTRA CAUTIOUS because once you're high, you're going to be high for at leaast 24hr, possibly longer. It also can take long as fuck to redose, so NEVER EVER REDOSE OR BOOST YOUR DOSE PERIOD END OF STORY.

If you try 5mg or whatever the hell the equation charts say is equal to my suggestions, and you don't get high or not high enough, wait at least a week absolute minimum and try again with a maximum increase of only 50% if you felt some high but nowhere near impaired, or max 100% dosage increase if you didn't even really feel anything.

Ultimately methadone is a HORRIBLE idea for someone who is 0 tolerance. It will wreck your tolerance. Make use of the shit opioids while you can. Use kratom, codeine, or even tramadol first. If you can't get a hold of the pills and refuse to use kratom/kratom is illegal in your state, obtain some suboxone and do a super super low dose (0.5mg sublingual or 0.25mg snorted max for first time).

Using methadone for first time opi experience is almost as dumb as trying high potency GMO PST as your first time opi experience.
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Angus Crobblehood - Tue, 02 Jul 2019 02:41:28 EST PhhD3Hw0 No.607659 Reply
>>607653
Cool, thanks for taking the time to write that. In the end there was only a little left in the bottle I found, I took it and felt nothing.

Tilidine

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- Mon, 01 Jul 2019 13:51:30 EST xx8oB8Ge No.607643
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Anyone else know this opioid? I'm wondering if it's common anywhere else but only a few countries seem to actually prescribe it. I'm on 300mg right now and I'm flying. It's a weird molecule since it's a prodrug.

Making kratom extract/tincture?

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- Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:59:30 EST Ww3OaJwy No.607435
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Is it possible to make a kratom tincture out of vegetable glycerin instead of alcohol? I really hate the taste and smell of alcohol and everything and I just had a CBD oil that was made of vegetable glycerin I had no problem with it. It was the best CBD oil I've ever had and i want to make my own out of that stuff now and I really want to try a kratom tincture like that. Can I put anything in it to mask the taste? Like some orange flavor or lemon or something?

How do I make a kratom extract? I know you just simmer it and strain it two times and let it dry but is there anything good to use extract it? Is acetic the only good and natural stuff? Will it give kratom a nasty ass vinegar smell and taste before? I got kratom extract from a vendor before with my order and it definetely didnt have any vinegar smell or anything to it.
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Nathaniel Ferringpadge - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:33:58 EST iwPQzXLg No.607591 Reply
>>607557
Awyeahnahnahnahnahnahyeahnahnahnahnahnahnahnah, yeah nah.

proglumide

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- Sat, 22 Jun 2019 13:25:59 EST uDzJBNIJ No.607252
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so apparently this stuff reverse opioid tolerance and also increases the analgesia of morphine and other opiates
what is the correct dosage?
this stuff aint super cheap afaik its £50 per 50mg and a few studies had them on 200mg dosage or 5mg dosage per day
was hoping someone else on here knew about this and could provide more info
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dr. m - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 05:22:35 EST 1qKXc0ke No.607584 Reply
>>607581
Yeah it shouldn't be hard for someone to get it scripted under the excuse of alcoholism.

Do you understand how long of a time period 50mg of nltx will last if taken as ULDN?

Realistically, ULDN is taken in doses between ~5-250ug, which might sound way too high in variation, but given that some people have an oral BA that's up to 8x higher than the least-efficient BA, and the it effects everyone differently/we all have different tolerances and dosages, it's not as surprising.

The way I remember it, around ~50ug was the max I could take without any euphoria reduction beyond placebo levels. There was a weird complicated cycle I used to where basically is I used PST say every 5 days, the ULDN dose immediately after PST had worn off was the highest, say 200ug. Then every day I got closer to using again, my ULDN dose dropped. That seemed to work best. What's not so clear is it daily or 2-3x daily dosing, dosing with or 12hr after your opi, dosing before, during, or after your opi, and other differences were better or worse. It's definitely a huge guessing game.

Personally I'd never go above 100ug/day as a daily user. That's roughly ~500 days worth of dosing from a single 50mg tablet.
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Ernest Bremblebadging - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:48:13 EST gymlsOcc No.607588 Reply
>>607584
Well I do have exactly one 50mg pill from a friend so I might read up on this method and give it a try somewhere in the distant future.
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Nathaniel Ferringpadge - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:09:20 EST iwPQzXLg No.607589 Reply
>>607584
The ORP place I went to didn't want to know about ULDN but saying I'd started drinking too much got me a naltrexone script easy as anything.

Opioids after surgery/Formerly addicted

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- Fri, 28 Jun 2019 20:30:26 EST fJEuzsvB No.607575
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Most of the time I spent dealing with my back from pain pills from a pain mangement program, ending up in a methadone clinic because they perscibed
met to the sky. I finally decided to man up and accept surgery.

I noticed that after I came off methadone and got a script for Oxycodone(1.5 months after I was clean) that my pain would increase terribly for 12 - 24hs before returning to baseline. So I stopped

Is this psychosomatic? or is this real?
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Ernest Bremblebadging - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:09:43 EST gymlsOcc No.607582 Reply
>>607575
Do you mean that pain got worse during the time oxy was working? That would be strange and I really can't come up with any reason for such thing. If you mean that it got worse after oxy was out of your body, it can be PAWS. You should try other groups of substances, maybe some combination of meds for your pain. There is a lot of good options that do not include opioids. Also, one of the effects of abusing them for a long time is that you are more sensitive to pain. Not everybody who is/was addicted experiances this, but quite a lot of people do.

heroin vs fentanyl

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- Wed, 19 Jun 2019 18:03:09 EST 4FmZaUI4 No.607121
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Does heroin still exist as it used to? It seems every time you hear about something related to opiates such as overdoses, overdose deaths, and rise of drug use, it's always about fentanyl.
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hsn - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:48:10 EST cA+802PK No.607493 Reply
>>607488
its not propaganda at all, look at DEA stats of the amount adulterated heroin now. mexico is producing TONS of illicit fentanyl which means its finally made its way into BTH like with ECP. I test all my batches and while Florida is extra bad with the fent, every single batch has popped up positive for fent in the last 2 years.

also just because it feels like heroin doesnt mean it isnt cut with fent. when it isnt flooded with mostly fent, even seasoned users cant really tell. there are fentalogs that have legs and actual euphoria so you cant just go off of the typical 'lack of euphoria, heavilty sedating' description anymore. as far as it not killing anyone in prison, I dunno man maybe you just didnt notice or just not enough sample size? dont really have an explanation for that anecdote. but regardless, fent is extremely common in the US and wont be going anywhere anytime soon. majority of dope has it now, its actually insane how hard it is to find fent free heroin in the US.
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Lillian Crungerlock - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 23:20:11 EST iHCcZ0o+ No.607530 Reply
Recently I've been getting some stuff from my guy where its heroin with a small amount of fent in it, which I actually really like because you get the initial heavy rush from the fent but it's also got normal dope in it so it lasts a little bit longer than the pure fent shit, but that's just my opinion I know alot of people don't like anything with fent in it, but at least here in the midwest it seems a lot harder these days to find stuff with no fent in it at all.
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dr. m - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 01:42:01 EST 1qKXc0ke No.607536 Reply
>>607121

It's pretty much indisputable that if its ecp you should expect at least some amount of a fentanyl analogue, with some states worse than others, until proven otherwise. BTH definitely has a substantially less chance of containing fentalogues, but it's still definitely not an uncommon occurrence. In fact it appears the percentage of bth containing fentalogue has undoubted been rapidly increasing over the last few years, which should scare people because logistically bth seems infinitely more likely to contain a hotspot compared to ecp (just my guess).

This is why volumetrically dosing by dissolving at least 3 or so days of product into one larger solution is an absolute must. Just be sure to refrigerate the portion intended for later use to reduce potential bacteria growth.

A while ago Q and I were trying to nail down the rate in which dope reverts back into morphine while dissolved in water. The studies said is was considerably slow, something like only ~3-7%, maybe 10% max, was reverted back into morphine every 24hr. That means losing a measly 1-3% potency per 24hr (morphine is roughly half as potent as heroin via IV) is worth removing hotspots completely.

If your dope is fent laced, the fent portion won't degrade over time in a solution anyways, and if your dope is just fentalogue and filler with zero real dope, you use nothing from using this method.

If people did this one new trick to end the opioid death epidemic (lol), ODs would be much less common.

Kratom and opi tolerance

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- Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:21:48 EST l/QqfqV/ No.607438
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I take suboxone recreationally because it's all I can get for a decent price in my area and I actually enjoy it. I also take red strain kratom when I don't feel like taking a sub for the day.

I know this is a pretty retarded question, but does kratom increase opiate tolerance? I try to keep tolerance fairly low. Will suboxone still work well a couple days after a somewhat large kratom dose? Thanks.
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dr. m - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 02:37:36 EST 1qKXc0ke No.607538 Reply
>>607518

Taking H orally is like taking dilaudid orally. They're both mortal sins.

nb
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hsn - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 03:18:09 EST 1vQIyblU No.607540 Reply
>>607537
>>607537
Do you experience these types of hallucinations frequently? I can’t seem to find these dozens of people. Seems to be just you and OEX since you have static IPs and I’ve been able to track who’s been making a concentrated effort to harass me. Surprise surprise it’s only the same two posters within the last couple months.

Btw saying something over and over doesn’t make it true. You must think we’re all incapable to thinking here.
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Hedda Bamblewill - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 16:04:18 EST iJzLcnXF No.607620 Reply
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>>607540
> hallucinations frequently
>I can’t seem to find these dozens of people
there you go.
youve annoyed away a lot of old posters. you know this. i left this site for over 6 months, cant imagine no one dared to keep you in your place.
if i go back 2 months and find no one else gangstalking you, then ill leave forever, if youre lying, you leave forever.

Cool times things work out

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- Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:03:08 EST SnO3ZRr8 No.606998
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Was out of the hospital, omw home for blocked ureter (it was sat. wanted to admit me until urologist came back to get it out, but theyre gone till Tuesday...lol not sitting in medical jail for 4 days...)

gave me bunk ass tramadol for the pain...and im rising the bus home and see this guy smoking up a tray.

anyways...stories when things work out well I suppose. Like when you scratch a lottery ticket with your last 1.00 and win 40.00 so you can go get a good sack. shit like that.
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citric vs vinegar

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- Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:15:00 EST rcNn0fCv No.607123
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Hey guys,

So I got told that using citric acid can help break down black tar heroin, but I don't have anything that contains citric acid laying around. Can I use vinegar(acetic acid) instead? or will this cause problems.

Thanks!
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hsn - Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:36:08 EST gxxRTIFP No.607471 Reply
OP you do not want to use an acid with bth EVER. It is already in salt form meaning you do not need to make it a citrate or acetate salt to have it be water soluble for IV. Just use like warm water and a bit of heat. You do not want to dissolve random cuts which acids will help do as you are just further damaging your veins for no reason. This is also why you don’t heat it up too much as the more shit that dissolves, the less that gets filtered out pre IV. Tar is already very hard on your circulatory system, do not make it worse.

For prep just use sterile saline, drop tar in saline, heat up slightly when it starts to dissolve into the solution while stirring, let it cool for 60 seconds. Drop your filter or put it on your rig (please use a micron filter with tar, bth can have a lot more bacteria in it than ecp), draw up solution in 1-2 ml of water making sure it isn’t too concentrated as this also can help mitigate damage to veins, and it’s ready to shoot.

Sorry for crappy format but plsssss do not listen to other posters. They might’ve glossed over and asssumed you meant #3 heroin like the EU people get. But in the US you will never need an acid unless its imported from the DNM or your dealer is a fuckin hipster.
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hsn - Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:38:08 EST gxxRTIFP No.607472 Reply
>>607465
Btw you can use diluted vinegar for #3, 3% is more than enough to work. Anything more would burn like a fricker of mothers. Citric acid is always better though as it’s usually safer to IV if it’s food grade. Nb dp

Cleaning

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- Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:22:49 EST OEX7i4FU No.607371
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Use a straw with silicon vape tube on one end
Unlimited reclaim h

IF YOU NO BUMP HSN HE WILL STOP GETTING ATTENTION BUT STILL GET UPSET & PRETEND NOT TO BE. HE READS ALL COMMENTS WHICH GIVE HIM ATTENTION, SO LIMIT IT
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Barnaby Buzzfuck - Wed, 26 Jun 2019 19:01:34 EST OEX7i4FU No.607462 Reply
>>607461
We just have cheap(er) heroin, codeine, oxy n mst n tram

oxycodone vs hydromorph

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- Tue, 25 Jun 2019 20:53:07 EST AezBYvFY No.607399
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Is a hydromorphone high more mellow/slow/spacey then oxy? I dont have much experience with dillys but have found they seem a bit more mellow. even bordering on like a slightly depressed feeling because its so slow and sedating, at least compared to oxy which im used to which is like pure energy/euphoria.
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Oliver Blackbury - Tue, 25 Jun 2019 23:26:16 EST iJzLcnXF No.607401 Reply
>>607399
Sounds about right, my first few hm highs were kind of depressing, while overwhelming euphoria, it wasnt awesome ride. After a few doses it got more recreational. I also had somewhat noob tolerance. oxy will always be much more exciting. You really gotta shoot hm though, so much is wasted otherwise
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hsn - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 05:06:34 EST cA+802PK No.607491 Reply
>>607399
yeah its a totally different feel than oxy. more similar to morphinians obv. its much more sedating and dreamy/spacey. I can understand why someone wouldnt enjoy it as much as oxy though.

Alcohol+Low Dose Opioid

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- Mon, 24 Jun 2019 04:38:30 EST 4tsYqeia No.607295
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Question might sound retarded but does mixing alcohol with opioids make you higher? I know it raises the risk of respiratory failure but I only have a couple oxy 5mg left, not even pharma shitty presses with fent and shit tier oxy, I was wondering if cracking open a few tallboys after snorting them would intensify the high and maybe even get me a nod out of something that would just keep me feeling better than sober on the couch.
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Jack Banningshit - Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:41:07 EST Wxij7OZY No.607304 Reply
>>607295
Yep but you might be dissapointed. Some good beer and morphine/oxy/H is nice. Few shots of harder liquor isn't that much fun, you get drunk quicker and you get more drowsy. Olso hangover is hell even if you are experienced alcoholic like me.
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Nathaniel Greenridge - Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:07:07 EST Vy7QRb4S No.607318 Reply
i prefer the pure high but i can imagine drinking a cold beer once you start to come down
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Sidney Suffingwat - Mon, 24 Jun 2019 15:24:30 EST iJzLcnXF No.607338 Reply
I remember chugging a 5-6 pack after taking an op80 then biking up hills of san francisco so it all hits at once, sometimes. of on mediocre pst would end up drinking couple beers/night, but not with good seeds. Ive never really care for alcohol

'Opium Discussion'

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- Wed, 19 Jun 2019 23:19:32 EST SLq7s3Ap No.607131
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Why is this called opiate discussion and not opioid discussion?
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hsn - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 08:53:22 EST 9UQg7jHh No.607275 Reply
>>607270
Its up for interpretation of the viewer, I view it as the synecdoche New York of 420chan.
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hsn - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 08:57:27 EST 9UQg7jHh No.607276 Reply
>>607270
As for the effeminate retard that would be Nhk ID (same one here in this thread) and unfortunately that’s actually him or his boyfriends pics because they always come up as OC. if U poke him enough times he will have no choice but to post selfies flexing on us niggas.
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Archie Pittham - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 10:36:26 EST Orbbontr No.607278 Reply
>>607276

I actually already postef a timestamp not too long ago but I asked mods to delete it

poppy seed tea

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- Thu, 20 Jun 2019 13:54:12 EST RIetI39t No.607165
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How do I prepare poppy seed tea? How much should I take? Can I combine it with kratom and wild lettuce for the full experience? How do I not OD?
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Fucking Fapperworth - Sat, 22 Jun 2019 18:57:45 EST cbXJ46oj No.607263 Reply
>>607165
>asks how to not OD
>admits to taking wild lettuce
you're too far gone man, get some help
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Shitting Diblingfag - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 05:19:18 EST WPH+dayt No.607271 Reply
>>607165
Just eat as many hundreds of grams of raw seeds as you can and wash down with copious amounts of water.

Thank me later.

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