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A while ago. I'll have to get back to you on that.
Maybe 2 weeks or more?
The 5lb is 5.5/10 but the 1lb was a ~7/10 (another old seedhead had those and rated accordingly. I'd trust it's a 6 or more).
I wouldn't touch WGN with a 10ft poll until at least December if it were me. It's just not worth the risk; I would at least heat the water to 170-180f. There was definitely an e. coli "outbreak" from the WGN for some time. You can't really blame the company because the limits don't have our usage in mind. Let the people on the bottom dollar use up that WGN stock a bit IMO.
I was/am always partial to SN (though tbh never tried about FTL enough as a typical river user, which I heavily regret now because those guys getting 18lb for like $65 were on the real OG budget seed life), but when WGN was more consistent (though still inconsistent) for like 6-9 whole months so obviously I made the switch.
Here's what you do. Things are different now. In the old days getting 1lb bags was insane price wise.
Instead of getting a 5lb and a 1lb bag, pay the extra 3 flipping bucks to get 6 1lb bags. I'm telling you this is the key. The price of just 4oz extra to give you 3x the diversity (6 batches instead of 2). I did not do this and am very lucky I didn't get screwed. And who knows; maybe 4 out of 6 would have been that 7/10. The important thing is it's very unlikely all six, or even more than three will be 3/10 or less. You should always be using a 15% off coupon no matter the time of year. The 15% off is the only thing that makes SN competitive. 6lb is like $63 or $66-67 with the 1lbers.
When the old coupons stop working I have a few one time ones I may post.
You could try the new FTL that came out today, but man this shit is too expensive to gamble on now. You can get a 5% off FTL coupon just for signing up for their newsletter. But again, how can they possibly compete with SN when FTL is $11.50/lb
If you notice, SN is like $13-14 on the river LOL. With the coupon it's like ~9.6
The Euro SR sounds like a crazy weird mixed bag. I've heard all over from fire to shit from reliable people. All they said was it's always better than big 3 Spanish.
I don't know why people are paying $5/lb for big 3 span when there's a few gems that are worth the gamble. I know that one dude was straight pissed that he got 50lb of bunk from WN, but mine were ~1.5-2/10. The 50lb from AS was indeed bunk though. It smelt like straight spicy ass so they rectified it. I wouldn't have used it in cooking seriously. First time I've ever complained; If they had been good smell and color, I wouldn't have even cared if they were bunk. If you're still reading and notice this, here's a ftl five percent coupon. 7db19540-c538-11e7-92f3-e3edfe01e8e2 I called before I even opened the package (AS, but NOT A&S) that's how bad it was. I was considering trying them again later, but in a much smaller quantity. Also make sure that if you ever gamble on WN, use the wholesale site that does NOT have the word retail in the URL. It will cost half as much.
But man, for $2/lb shipped, like what do people expect? If it could be refined in some day, as long as it's 1/5 the strength it's potentially viable.
I'd caution people from buying Aus seeds. Clearly the UK ones are modified Aus, but their thebaine levels aren't massively high (sure moderately high in SN, but notoriously low in WGN) and it's mostly morph. For me, apart from the stimmy oxy type feel when working alongside the morphine (and the obvious/unique thebaine/papaverine OD symptoms), I've found that thebaine heavy seeds tend to peak later than morph-heavy seeds. We're not talking SN-type thebaine but real deal oddball Turkish and the wrong Aus seeds.
Many/most Aus seeds aren't thebaine monsters, but it's not worth the risk. They tend to manufacture thebaine because it's a precursor for many opioids, specifically hydroc, oxyc, and thebaine. For whatever reason, the company in charge of all UK production only uses crazy super-GMO tazzies that have been modified and self selected for several years. The shift is so drastic that no poppies on the planet can compete, including the gold crescent, South America, and golden triangle.
A smart person would keep a small amount (like 1oz) from every 6+/10 batch he or she gets for an entire year. I'm quite mad I didn't do this. While it's not always a direct correlation (9/10 doesn't always mean a future 9/10 plant), I would bet huge money that the illicit growers in the rest of the world could completely change the game if they exclusively sourced these for growing.
The purple and white is indicative of tazzies, but they still look a bit different.
Would be fun to extract from an entire shipment with some commercial tier shit just to see if garbo seed can ring water from what appear to be stones. I'm not convinced it can always be done safely (shit seeds always tend to have a lower morphine:all other opioids ratio than any good seeds apart from arguably SN. This is one reason why 1:1 SN:WGN was my go to when both were about equal. Both have high morphine:other opioids ratios and the 50% WGN mix reduces the impact of SN's thebaine by a large amount (somewhere between 10-45%; can't share the data).
If you have the funds for the risk, definitely pull the plug on WGN before Jan-Feb. This is nothing but my gut, but guys it (it being seeds going to shit for entire month blocks all big 3) happened in 2016 starting in the Spring around March and only got worse through April-May-maybe June. This year demand has only risen, even if the new prices have somewhat reduced demand. As the seed continues to be good and there's less contamination scares, the community's tolerance will likely rise from its current group deficit caused by the seedpocalypse. This likely result, combined with the very clear demand inelasticity of the product, can only make it more likely that there will be market gaps where E seeds just aren't available (if they are, it'll be 3rd party flippers for like $20/lb) after the western Holidays come through. I assume there are quite a lot of cash strapped seed users that are more likely to receive money than spend it on others during the holidays (NEETs, younger people, people without kids or spouses, etc.). It's also a time when river giftcards are often given as gifts. I know anecdotally several people who only tend to impulse buy when they're given said gift cards because "well I can't buy market price booze with it"
Everyone here should be prepared for shortages again. With FTL possibly dropping out of the game for good, it leaves us with the 2+ you know who.
You know who is just selling the best Spanish on the planet at this point. There's no way he's still flipping leftover FTL or something.
If they were from the UK he would say so.
IIRC, when I ordered SN direct, during the purchasing process I recall somehow ending up through a river purchase portal, but it was the direct price. It also came in two days instead of the normal five, which was pretty stellar.