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Opiate/opiod ranking

- Wed, 05 Jun 2019 01:20:02 EST jPNtZ3fl No.606732
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How would you rank the opiates you've done? What are your top 3? Are there any you despise?

Top 3:

Weaker opiates obviously near the bottom, but morphine made me itch in the most annoying way possible. Opiate-induced rage I get from heroin also keeps it a bit below Oxy, personally.
Polly Clunnerway - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 03:27:50 EST TnvyASRf No.606735 Reply
My top 3:

I never liked morphine. Probably it's because I tried oxy first, so I was kinda dissapointed. It has a nice rush but the high lasts so short for me, even after tolerance breaks of few months.
Morphiate !!FINz0LE9 - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 03:47:17 EST zaurUfK0 No.606736 Reply
1) Morphine - Tried IV'ing for a while but I prefer it in the form of poppy tea. When your tolerance gets really high morphine becomes a royal pain in the ass to IV. It has a water solubility of only 60mg/ml which means if you only have 1ml rigs you need to do multiple shots if your tolerance gets too high.

2) Fentanyl - Had a single package of fent patches one time but I will never forget the feeling of smoking them. Holy shit that stuff is intense. It had me feinding for more like 15 minutes after a hit. I went through a month supply in like 3 days lol. No other opiate experience is even remotely like vaped fent. It wasnt very euphoric but the rush is so awesome.

3) Methadone - This might surprise some people but I was prescribed methadone for 6 years and I really came to love it. I was especially fond of it after I took a long tolerance break and came back to it. 5mg was enough to get me extremely comfortable. It feels a little dirty compared to morphine but it has a very intense sedation and body high. Its also the scariest opioid Ive ever had. I've come closer to OD'ing more times with Methadone than any other opiate.

Honorable mentions: Dilaudid is pretty nice. Ive tried it a lot of ways but IV'ing it tended to give me really bad nausea. I've had lots of heroin but I never IV'd it, only smoked and snorted both powder and tar. Smoking was alright, was nice to be able to get a dose quickly. I just never found it to be as enjoyable as a solid dose of morphine. My first ever experience with opioids is also in my top 3 list of best opi highs ive ever had. It was like 150mg of codeine. With no tolerance codeine is pretty nice.

The best opi highs I ever had were the 20-hour long highs I got from drinking poppy pod slurry (powdered poppy pods mixed with water and drank. The unstrained plant matter is slowly broken down for a time release effect). Wish I could get my hands on some pods now but I know I better not lol.
Polly Clunnerway - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 04:07:24 EST TnvyASRf No.606738 Reply
I never understood how people can afford dope for let's say 40$ but can't afford bigger rigs. Nb
Arron Jolly - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 13:23:20 EST SGlSbFjx No.606747 Reply
Yall gonna laugh at me but i actually like the weaker opis like codeine and tramalol, i hate being too ope'd up, it makes me nervous like im fixating on my breathing rate scared of losing consciousness.

So for me it would be
1.Morphine - Only strongest one i've tried and fucking loved it. made me feel human
2.Dihydrocodeine- Codeine but much better
3.Tramadol- This one actually works wonders for me and is the smoothest one to smoke some good green to really hit that spot.
Morphiate !!FINz0LE9 - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 14:58:28 EST zaurUfK0 No.606748 Reply
It was about access, not cost. The only syringes I had access to at the time (locally, couldnt order online) were 1ml syringes. There were 3ml luer-locks I could get but there werent any small points around, just massive gauge stuff for filling instead of shooting (like 20 gauge crap). it was all for the better anyway, that multiple shot experience got me off the needles for good. nb
Dr. Mario - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 15:41:48 EST 1qKXc0ke No.606918 Reply

  1. Snorted hydromorphone IR
  2. Old school fall season 2014, 2015, and 2016 SN PST
  3. Oral oxycodone IR
Jenny Dartville - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:18:03 EST iA00SJKX No.606930 Reply
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1.) Poppy seed tea

2.) Oxycodone

3.) Tapentadol (tapentadol i enjoy the high more than oxycodone, but it takes so long to kick in and onky lasts like 2 or 3 hours for me. Maybe just kindling.

Honorable mention: 2-Methyl-AP-237

Anyone who actually enjoys fentanyl should try 2-Methyl-AP-237. Theres next to no info on it and its very hard to come by (everyone thought it was shit just based on the structure and few people tried it) but i tried a sample and let me tell you that stuff is great. It lasts about as long as fentanyl but it was more euphoric and "dreamy" anyone who likes opium or tapentadol will probably knownwhat i mean. The nods are borderline psychedelic. Audio halucinations with vivid dreams. Thats that shit i do like.

Doses for me were about 5mg id be guessing. Thats with like a solid kratom tolerance. Equal to maybe 40mg oxycodone a day if i had to guess? Kratom hits me stronger than most other people. Ive never tried an opi i didnt like so feel free to call my opinion shit. I just enjoy the opis that give an otherwordly nod.
OpiDaycare - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 21:11:05 EST Zy7RuX8V No.606949 Reply
Several years ago I would have said:

Now though
Heroin... And thats it.

Im on methadone though and its really hard for me to get high. Like I did a shot of 40mg oxy 2 days ago and literally felt NOTHING. Pill came in the original blister pack from UK brand name Renocontin. It was for sure real but I guess methadone just somehow straight up blocks the effect of oxy or something.... In fact whats really weird is that in my last drug test I had to do at the methadone clinic which was the day after I did the pill, they didnt even detect the methadone in my system somehow... Really friggin weird.
Alice Senkindatch - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 16:47:30 EST iJzLcnXF No.606972 Reply
40mg iv of xr oxy is a dose for a newbie. for seasoned methadone wolf its nothing at all. Probably did not get much more than if you ate a 30m ir oxy.
Fucking Dockleham - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 21:48:43 EST iJzLcnXF No.607004 Reply
uhhh good opium

honorable mention: tramadol/odesmethyltramadol
Phyllis Fuckingdock - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 12:36:49 EST pI7AnPpV No.607031 Reply
I know what you mean with opiate induced rage. I get pissed sometimes. Heroin and morphine aren't all that different though. Heroin is metabolized back into morphine in the brain, that's what's attached to the receptor sites anyway. Oxy was my favorite also, for some reason the euphoria from it was always so lovely and great. PST (opium) is an honorable mention because it lasts so long and the nod can hit you nicely. H gave me a headache from time to time, maybe it's just because of how impure black tar was.
Jack Greenson - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 13:51:15 EST IwE7oZzO No.607033 Reply
>Heroin is metabolized back into morphine in the brain, that's what's attached to the receptor sites anyway

False. Morphine is just one active metabolite of heroin, the other is 6-monoacetylmorphine, that is more potent and more euphoric than morphine.

>H gave me a headache from time to time, maybe it's just because of how impure black tar was.

black tar is only heroin in it's name. In fact it's a weekly acetylated unpurified opium extract. it's active ingridient is 6-monoacetylmoprhine, just like the metabolite of heroin.

also, even if morphine would be the only metabolite, it wouldn't be the same. Drug induced effects have kinetics too, that means the feeling depends on how steel is the concentration curve (in the synapse). for morphine it isn't steep because it crosses BBB slowly. for H it's steep because it crosses BBB fast, and that gives the rush
Wesley Pockridge - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:42:53 EST /SaubvvO No.607072 Reply
Do combinations count? For me it would have to be the combination of good dope + hydromorphone. If you include other drugs too then it would be a shot of dope + hydromorph + coke. Hydromorphone on its own fucking sucks though, b/c it is so short i would wake up in the middle of the night shaking from withdrawals.

I never did try oxymorphone though, never got the chance. I tried a shot that combined dope + coke + mdma + meth though, which in retrospect sounds completely fucking insane but it was an interesting experience. I’m out of the opiate game though and couldn’t be happier about being clean... yet, after about 2 years off dope, i do still occasionally feel a craving or think of using. Fortunately i live in a state that only has BTH now, and i despise shooting that shit so that helps me stay off. Anyone out there who is thinking of getting clean — fucking do it, now rather than later. I did a slow taper off of methadone and had minimal withdrawals after years of shooting dope and other drugs. Been a while since I’ve been here, and i wish all of my /opi/bros the best. Good luck boys
Sidney Mammerpug - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:06:07 EST 8N957kdV No.607081 Reply
Some savage combos mentioned there man! However, good on you for kicking the Opi's - I'm on bupe maintenance atm after a stupid relapse from a year and a half clean, but hoping to taper down and out soon! Hope you continue going strong and never look back - so much better stuff to do than be a slave to all this shit
Wesley Pockridge - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:55:30 EST /SaubvvO No.607084 Reply
Good luck man, you can do it for sure. I did a methadone taper very very slowly, which i think is the key. Taper as slowly as you can possibly manage to. Take your time and don't get discouraged. I don’t think the changes we have brought upon ourselves with addiction ever completely go away, but with time i believe the wounds begin to heal. Thinking back on how my life was.... the constant ups and downs, the distrust, conflict, danger, selling dope, shoplifting, all that shit. It feels so far away now. I admit i sometimes miss the excitement, but the key is to not let the lens of nostalgia warp your memory; you have to remember all of the really, really bad days.

You’ll make it bro
Betsy Copperbanks - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:55:41 EST jh/O0r38 No.607087 Reply
  1. oxymorphone
  2. hydromorphone
  3. diacetylmorphine
nz !!vVWR8L52 - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 08:08:13 EST rjdnYvXV No.607099 Reply
Numero uno, aka number 1 aka the top dog: The love of jesus
2. heroin
3. methadone

I've not tried oxymorph nor hydromorph
Esther Hinnerhall - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 12:40:49 EST /SaubvvO No.607107 Reply
Do you think its possible to get a recreational effect from methadone while on maintenance treatment? Ive always wondered this... if a person is on 50mg/day for example, do you think they could nod off of 100-150mgs? When i was on methadone, i occasionally tried doubling my dose but i dont think it did much aside from making me drowsy
Frederick Puffingwug - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:04:45 EST iJzLcnXF No.607113 Reply
Not really. Not really worth it. Heroin or short acting opi would be much better choice
Dextrolord - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 14:20:40 EST k2SY3MKi No.607166 Reply
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  1. Oxymorphone is God tier shit
  2. Hydromorphone
  3. Proposal (best rush EVER)
  4. Morphine
  5. Heroin
  6. Methadone

Best nods of all time were all had with combo dis and opi tho
Cedric Goshtot - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 17:55:14 EST Vy7QRb4S No.607183 Reply

honorable mention: dihydrocodeine since it's what got me into /opi/ and i used to get it OTC back in the day
Dextrolord - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 17:56:35 EST k2SY3MKi No.607184 Reply
Its not? It slapped like one lol I was already on morphine and dilaudid when I got it tho
hsn - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 18:13:27 EST 9UQg7jHh No.607185 Reply
nope, its a weird drug. works on multiple receptors directly and indirectly with the main component being GABAa. its classified as an anesthetic though, its a funky drug.

and after cross referencing I quickly glossed over this
>The currently available preparation is 1% propofol, 10% soybean oil, and 1.2% purified egg phospholipid as an emulsifier, with 2.25% glycerol as a tonicity-adjusting agent, and sodium hydroxide to adjust the pH.

I never knew propofol had all that in the amps. shooting up egg whites and soybeans... I wonder how many vegans have been put under anesthesia without knowing the meds they use are derived from animals (processed egg whites). honestly if someone made a shiddy boomer facebook meme spreading this info around I guarantee it would become a huge fucking deal. anyone well versed in anesthetics can tell me if there are alternatives for these twats?
overgrownpath !3g9OJxiR.6 - Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:54:15 EST DrjAZSCn No.607327 Reply
Hm, surprisingly hard to rank them but I'll try. I'll specify the route of administration too because that's important.

Top 3 (descending order)
>Heroin (IV)
>Methadone (IV)
>Oxycodone (oral)

and here's my list of favourite combos (descending):
>Heroin + oxycodone + midazolam (all IV in the same rig - plain godly)
>Heroin + midazolam + methylphenidate (all IV)
>Heroin + pentobarbital (both IV)

So, yeah, I love H. It's just the most balanced I find. And midazolam is the greatest benzo ever, water soluble and it actually has a rush that synergises perfectly with H or oxycodone.

I'm sure my list may change once I get the chance to IV some oxymorphone. Or hydeomorphone! Either or I'm not fussy!
Scourge of the West - Tue, 25 Jun 2019 11:13:25 EST cfHKBDLt No.607377 Reply
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Expanding on overgrownpath's idea...

>Morphine (I love the histamine burn)

Oral as in got to gramma's pill bottles first after she died

Oral as in the pimp of the whore you just fucked has no idea what he has but every pill's 10 bucks
>Methadone 40
>Roxy 30
>dilaudid 8

Martin Chattingdin - Sun, 14 Jul 2019 22:20:23 EST nuztW1TN No.608117 Reply
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  1. Oxymorohone 40mg g's IV'd. 2. The only good heroin I've every gotten IV'd. 3. Old school OC 80's.
JJzz !8tv9M.5S82 - Wed, 17 Jul 2019 14:52:20 EST LTgweARC No.608211 Reply
  1. Opana
  2. PST
  3. Pre-fent cut Heroin
  4. Tramadol with good metabolism/low tolerance
  5. Bupe with low-moderate tolerance (enough for 1-2mg to be functional but still recreational)
Sidney Cobberstidging - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:50:24 EST srJS2O5Z No.608397 Reply
Okay first off, here are all the opiates I have tried, in the order that I tried them:
Hydrocodone, codeine, kratom, poppy seed tea, pod tea, dihydrocodeine, dextroproproxyphene, hydromorphone, oxycodone

Top 3:
  1. Kratom - not for the high but for the amazingness that this even exists, is cheap, available, and doesn't show up on standard drug tests
  2. Oxycodone
  3. Hydromorphone

Shit teir:
  1. Fentanyl - I know a lot of you seem to like this shit but seriously fuck this fucking scourge
  2. Codeine
  3. Dextroproproxyphene
Sidney Cobberstidging - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:22:53 EST srJS2O5Z No.608400 Reply
I'm 23 and been opioid dependent for 5 years. I've been lucky to move away from the States and get to a central European country where opioids are much less prevalent for the past few years, so I just take kratom.

Recently found a cheap hookup for oxycodone though $0.50/mg

I just plan to chip though
Phineas Chinnerdine - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:59:22 EST cbXJ46oj No.608441 Reply
>I just plan to chip though
great idea, can't see that going terribly wrong almost instantly. obviously I can't talk you out of cheap drugs but nonetheless I've got to try saying something.
I can't stress enough how bad an idea that is if you want to not be opiate dependent, especially because you have a cheap hookup. it is much easier to chip when your hookup is shitty, expensive, and/or unreliable (although it almost always ends the same, just gets there a lot slower).

Not trying to be overly negative, if you're making the choice to chip instead of just going right into the thick of it then that's better than nothing. But, if you're thinking you can chip and still be free of physical dependence, you will be in for a rude awakening.
Beatrice Climmerdin - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:55:54 EST mfgp/GgB No.608458 Reply
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Its been a while since I can remember what each opioids feels like. I had surgery recently and got some dilaudid 4mg.

from my memory tho

Top 3:
Hydrocodone(I remember it always had more nod/ while oxycodone felt more stimulating)
Betsy Suzzlestock - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 16:45:23 EST srJS2O5Z No.608503 Reply
Yeah man the thing is, I'm already opioid dependent. I take kratom around 5 times a day and that is able to maintain my addiction while also keeping me from craving real, stronger opioids. I have a bunch of oxycodone 20mg capsules sitting in my drawer right now which I haven't touched for weeks and when I do break out the stash, its going to be a very conscious choice. So I know it may sound naive, but I'm not worried about it at all.

Now I can say if it weren't for kratom those oxys would already be long gone and I'd have probably gone and copped again. But the kratom really mitigates that for me.
Betsy Suzzlestock - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 16:46:27 EST srJS2O5Z No.608504 Reply
I guess you could say its THE central European country -- Germany, why?
Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:40:23 EST 7Y8izlLY No.608510 Reply
Just wondering. I have worked a lot in Europe and am also talking a trip to central/eastern Europe soon but I haven't spent much time in Germany.
Caroline Gizzlesot - Sun, 28 Jul 2019 19:55:45 EST srJS2O5Z No.608533 Reply
Oh word. Yeah I love it here. Not really too keen on moving back to the States. Living in Europe is just too comfy. I love that I can go to the doctor whenever I want without worrying about going broke. I love that I can afford my rent even working a low wage job. I love that I can drive as fast as I want on the highway/autobahn. And it's so easy/cheap to travel to some really beautiful places. My favorite of the places I have been to thus far is definitely Greece and Croatia. Amazing countries with lovely people, especially Greece.
Shit Crennernork - Mon, 26 Aug 2019 14:11:37 EST JtE3ogVt No.609833 Reply
  1. Sincerely Nuts PST when they were at their peak
  2. Morphine
  3. O-DSMT (don't @ me, I loved the functional high and the low price)

Favourite combo? Adderall and strong PST, clean the whole house.
Nell Hiblingforth - Tue, 27 Aug 2019 01:29:39 EST 6vyTjX1P No.609851 Reply
>Just like the wicked witch of the west


man I miss those days
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Tue, 27 Aug 2019 14:55:56 EST OgX3IMCX No.609861 Reply
3.Good PST

Being on morphine maintenance at my dosage makes taking most opiates that aren't super potent redundant and a waste of money. I find if I keep my use down to once a week and only use methadone that it doesn't have that much of a cross-tolerance and the high lasts 12+ hours. I haven't had proper heroin in like 4 years but it still takes second place. I began my opi use with hydromorph so I have some honeymoon phase memories that remind me of how good it can feel to a person with no tolerance. Fent doesn't place even though I have a history of its use, the street shit here is potent but it fucks my tolerance with just one use and I always experience WD"s the next day unless I slip back to daily use (which is obvs an undesirable outcome) so I reserve it's use for moments of sheer stupidity and judgement lapse.
Molly Smalllock - Fri, 30 Aug 2019 17:08:13 EST cbXJ46oj No.609928 Reply

1- poppies. seeds, latex, pods, what the fuck ever. love that shit
2- hydrocodone. always liked it more than oxy, also was my first so it gets nostalgia points. and extra points for keeping me from becoming addicted by being so fucking expensive
3- methadone. it's cheap, it lasts a long time.... it's cheap. what more do you want?
4- pre-fent dope. gone, but not forgotten.
Eugene Sosslechotch - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 00:27:17 EST DOtmUPy9 No.609953 Reply
How is there so many people on morphine maintenance?
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 17:58:35 EST OgX3IMCX No.609963 Reply
AFAIK I'm the only trip (and afaik the only poster) who is on it.
Henry Brablingstutch - Sun, 01 Sep 2019 19:15:34 EST rpq+52KU No.609965 Reply
  1. Poppy or opium
  2. Morphine
  3. Heroin
overgrownpath !3g9OJxiR.6 - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 07:33:54 EST q4D/HrmN No.609983 Reply
If we're going by using these opis by themselves, well then my top #3 list in descending order (best listed first) looks like this:

Heroin - it's just the best jack-of-all-trades opioid when used intravenously; smooth, euphoric rush that seamlessly transitions into a sedating nod that still retains a certain euphoric buzz instead of just being totally dominated by a really heavy fun-free nod that just makes you go 'duhhhh... *drool*'

Oxycodone - My first true love and experience with a strongly euphoric opioid. If I take enough these days, I can still get back that amazing unique all-encompassing oxycodone warmth that radiates in waves from my solar plexus to every point of my body. Feels great man.

Morphine - Yes, occasionally I do and have used just traditional morphine. And while the histamine release can be a little overwhelming, in the right mood, it can feel really fucking good to get those immense pins and needles as the shot washes over my body. So this is a rare one for me but hey, I still do occasionally get in the mood for some butthole-tingling levels of histamine itches - when that mood hits, I'll always love it for what it can do during the rush that the smoothness of H passes over.

Of course, I'm more of a polydrug user when it comes to my opi use - personal fave will always remain the combination of about 10mg of midazolam (the most euphoric, water-soluble benzo that exists) with a big dose of homebake heroin, and 50mg or so of one of those oxycodone ampoules with the 50mg in 1mL. Now that is my ideal 'downer' combo.
Lillian Horringbene - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 14:30:27 EST 9q/ORqvg No.609994 Reply
  1. Heroin
  2. Codeine
  3. uhhh doesn't like cheese affect opioid receptors? I might actually consider some cheeses more enjoyable than codeine.
Rebecca Wubblebodging - Fri, 06 Sep 2019 20:39:03 EST mtvrtOdO No.610106 Reply
Never had H, it's even frowned upon by crack smokers here, so I can't say, needles are major taboo, even. When I started to inject, rarely, every pharmacy had to have injection kits with stericups, filters, bacteriostatic water, alcohol pads, 27 1/2 G syringes and 3-4 years later it seems the government stopped enforcing those safety laws, only one pharmacy within 15 miles has them now, you need to go through social workers or the triage at the ER. I've shot things..mostly things that make sense to, hydromorphone, morphine, pentazocine, demerol. Never did it with oxy. I almost did with a pure hydrocodone 5mg pill (Hycodan, only in Canadia) but I was dissuaded when it was clear it was almost as dangerous as shooting up codeine.

I'd say
  1. Dilaudid (dat rush) (IV)
  2. Oxycodone (my current paid med, legit generic oxy script)
  3. Morphine, has to be certain IR pills, Statex for example, the 25 and 50mg ones...wooo, damn. Not a ton of crap in them like MS IR's where I only bothered shooting them up with a proper filter, Sterifilt. Equal would be pentazocine IV from ampoules II was able to get online before.

If I ever find H, I'll smoke it, never shooting up again, I only shot stuff when I was forced to, only possible to get dillies, statex morphines, demerol, those pentazocine amps.

But I bet Oxymorphone, if it even existed here, well it does, but it's a custom compound pharmacy med only, not marketed. Apparently the rush is as insane as hydromorph, but it has the legs of morphine / H. They changed the formula for the ER Opanas so often I don't even know how possible it is for you guys, I hear it's easy to do with the Opana IR 10's and proper filters...if I was guaranteed some Opana 10's, I would have a skateboard accident on purpose I think. (not really), but oxymorphone's pharmacokinetics are really yummy looking.
Mew !4OIIV/81vI - Mon, 09 Sep 2019 01:00:09 EST wBsoYfY2 No.610157 Reply
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  1. Oxymorphone
3.Methadone (115mg a day)
overgrownpath !3g9OJxiR.6 - Mon, 09 Sep 2019 12:15:28 EST q4D/HrmN No.610160 Reply
Don't get me wrong - temazepam is definitely a really nice benzo for sure. It's one of the tops when you're eating benzos as one normally does. But you can't compare it to IVing water-soluble midazolam and that unique, refreshing, euphoric rush and sedative feels it has. It also synergises the best with opis out of any other benzo I've combined with gear - and I've tried a lot.
Archie Tootstock - Mon, 09 Sep 2019 16:50:17 EST 85hjUfDy No.610164 Reply

I've tried every opiate except for desomorphine.
Fucking Shakehood - Mon, 09 Sep 2019 17:08:43 EST cbXJ46oj No.610165 Reply
never shoot so I wouldn't know, I'll take your word on it. I've heard ambien is actually nice IV (never cared for it orally, wouldn't really "trip", just get insanely tired and blackout and get super super dumb). as far as mixing with opis, alp and temazepam are my go to but I've never had a bad mix. kpins have been underwhelming occasionally though but hey, at $0.50 an mg they aren't worth complaining about. although I don't mix them a lot or at the doses you guys probably do due to my lack of benzo tolerance and general fear of death.

sorry I got off topic, how is midazolam orally? both with opis and on its own.
temazepam is the only benzo I'd call recreational in its own right (and even then I'd need some weed and a beer or two to kickstart it), usually they're just sleepy pills for me if I'm not throwing half a pharmacy on top of them.
Angus Clommerstone - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 10:20:12 EST mtvrtOdO No.610182 Reply

Pfft, no way you had Levo-Dromoran (levorphanol). It's out there, but so very rarely prescribed. Lasts for a very long time too.
John Bondersted - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 12:10:34 EST 8IB5mKdq No.610186 Reply
Someone explain to me the meme of Dilaudid not having legs.
A friend handed me 16 x 3mg of them for fixing her computer, and I haven't taken them because... Eh.

I'd like to know what that damned meme is first.

And/or how I make them worth taking. (basically no opi tolerance)
Edwin Napperbere - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:59:04 EST OHIHxMID No.610187 Reply
5lb TNT recent was the best but heads up the #2 is a lot weaker than the fives were. The last SN I had was pretty good. Took a ton among other things and caught a good nod. Was prepping for the movies for It Chapter 2 but ended up nodding. Didn’t expect that because it’s been a while since I caught a nod like that. Now I gotta see the movie again heh (but I do remember a fair bit).
Jack Wacklechan - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:49:22 EST L+I0TVqs No.610194 Reply
Never tried it (it isn't even used medically in my country and on dnms it's expensive and somewhat rare) but even looking at info on wikipedia it isn't a meme. It's a fact that hydromorphone doesn't last long, especially when injected. Other ROAs have shitty or mediocre BA so people don't want to waste what they get and many users only shoot them.
Still for a newbie proper dose of any opiate can last for very long, even with shitty bioavabaility you don't have to worry, you won't be dissapointed. As an example, when I had low tolerance, 150mg of codeine had me high as fuck for 6 hours which is much longer than it should have (codeine is notorious for short highs, especially in ezperienced users)
Betsy Padgebury - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:01:00 EST ESCXnZgl No.610199 Reply
OGP I'm surprised you're still alive and well. Were you one of the kiwis making homebake?
Betsy Padgebury - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:09:03 EST ESCXnZgl No.610200 Reply
Back when you could order these clearnet from topchms4meh (they're 3 years defunct)

Acryl Fent - ful lagonist balls deep rush with moderately long high 8 hours

4FiBF - Its second, but I did this every day for 2+ years as maintenance and had it down to a science. Lasts 36-60 hours before any withdrawal symptoms. High has a nice but not the best rush, and has a glowing but functional kinda speedy high for 8+ hours. Used to be 12g for $300 USD, again when it was an unknown RC. 12g would last 3+ months, with me getting as high as I wanted any time. Truly felt free for the first time I'd gone down the opi road. Of course the vendor is defunct sadly. They were the BEST, always cheap, ontime, good comms. 5 days to my door.

Heroin / MAF - yeah, they basically the same effects

CYP2D6 - I'm deficient in this which metabolizes codiene and stuff.
Anything requiring good enzymes is bunk.
Alice Brandlehore - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:17:14 EST hHtEwaKL No.610201 Reply
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Jesus christ heroin and pentobarbital? you preppin for a major surgery?
Phoebe Puggleville - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:02:14 EST cbXJ46oj No.610204 Reply
>Lasts 36-60 hours before any withdrawal symptoms
holy fuck how have I never heard of this before this week?
how long does the actual high last? is it still available clear/grey net? is it available darknet even?

last I checked into opiate RCs it was all u47 whatever, totally impractical fent analogs, and O-DSMT, which was the best of the limited options but for whatever reason (price, availability, quality/security as far as getting what you ordered, I forget why but one of those probably) it wasn't super available for me.
Crackernigger - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 02:02:15 EST BKt3PZpH No.610206 Reply
>>606732 1. gunpowder 2 . Tar 3. White(but now it's dent, and doesn't exist anymore, I want legs!!!) I love Heroin, fuck everything else.
Eugene Pockforth - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 20:27:01 EST ESCXnZgl No.610254 Reply
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I don't think its around anymore. It really was the bees knees though. Its like someone hybridized fent, subs, and methadone. There's actually a ceiling dosing effect where you won't get anymore high, and there's a pretty hard wall on solubility that intersect at about 20mg /mL with 20-30% PG solution mixed. So I could never bang more than 20mg at a time, which limited my tolerance, which was also right near the ceiling dosage.

btw I had a girl I was seeing at the time, parapalegic and on trams for legit pain. She would always run short on her script and would want some of what I had. She would get 20-50mcg per mL nasal sprays and be verrrry good.

There aren't any manufacturers making 4FiBF anymore, and if they are or claim to, its usually junk. The guys in china making good RCs, real biochem engineers, don't need to risk jail with illegal chems. I got some "4FiBF" after my guys stopped, and while I got high, it had solvent res on it, and I have a lot of scarring to show for it. Not krokodil bad, but bad. If it exists at all, its going to be on DW. True 4FiBF is not the HCl salt, the good stuff was Malealate. It kinda looked like a thoroughly powdered and dry fish scale coke. Very light sheen to it, and slight off white powder. Most of the crap the last time I looked was rocked hcl salts that kinda looked like isopropylphenidate

You didn't hear about it because there were better RCs for getting high at the time like Acrylfent, Butryfent, MAF (at the tail end) Acetylfent and variants. Everyone was really in a rush to find a full agonist active in the low milligram dose. This stuff was active, but ceiling limited, in the mid 10-50mcg range (about 1/4 as potent as fent hcl). I think some people caught on towards the end of the RC fent wild west, but it was banned soon after. There are a few le leddit reviews out there. And I was shit posting here about it constantly.

I also traveled internationally through 6 airports with this stuff, got drug scanned with the finger print wipe thing in canada, and made it through OK. Also got me off methadone for good and replaced it. It was in solution tho.

u47 can succ my dicc
Eugene Pockforth - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 20:36:28 EST ESCXnZgl No.610255 Reply
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https://forum (dot) drugs-and-users (dot) org/index.php?topic=3373.0

What I can really say about all the fentalogs is that they are dangerous for common users, dangerous for fakes, and dangerous LE who didn't know wtf they were doing. They were reported as 10,000x as potent as morphine/fent/etc but that was incorrectly quoted. They had 10,000x as potent analgesic effect. Usually a lot less comparable cns depression. And some like 4FiBF had really weird and good effects. Derivatives of it could've been the holy grail of opi replacement therapy, but we'll never know as it was banned.
Martin Worthingson - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 20:59:35 EST cbXJ46oj No.610257 Reply
>10-50mcg range
ok yeah that makes me feel better. I do not fuck with things that active, god damn acid was such a pain in the ass to deal with and at least that wouldn't kill me. still, long duration opiates are my fave so I'm still a bit bummed. and yeah u47 sucks a big one, total waste of time+money.

are methadone RCs a thing? has that ship already sailed too?
Eugene Pockforth - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 21:42:26 EST ESCXnZgl No.610264 Reply
How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? There are a ton of patents out there sitting vaults waiting to be rediscovered. We're only going back to the 60s and 70s so far iirc. hsn and dr m would know better. But, I'm dating a pharm D (doctorate of pharmacy) and she said that we basically wholly understand what shape the mu-opioid receptor is and how its activated. With computer modeling and sim you could pretty much figure close to how any particular molecule will activate the site.

That forum article predicted 12 hours of duration on a previously untested RC. Pretty close. Fentalogs are relatively easy to synthesize from what I understand. Relative to opiates anyways.

I think 1mg or so of the 4FiBF was equal to my 120mg of methadone. I got 12,000mg at a time. I also fucked with carfent in its "raw" form once, and wore and mask etc etc etc and titrated up from 1mcg doses to find out that I was tolerant for the buzz I wanted up to like 500mcg (being equal to 20mg of 4FiBF). My point is that its not impossible to handle fentalogs if careful.
Emma Focklelock - Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:09:03 EST hl7X3FcJ No.610269 Reply

Scrub when it comes to opiates, currently a bar tard but I've done a fair amount.

Top 3:
Raw Opium: At some point, and some how, during high school we got raw ass resin. It wasn't H and we'd sit around taking hits off a smoldering pinhead for hours or load a bowl with some weed. Never nodded out proper on it, could drive on it, but it was the most relaxing despite the wretched taste.

Morphine: IM and booted it was fantastic, but I'd never take it orally again. Popping 2mg Dilaudids until I was 10 in and the next day I was absolutely fucked out of my mind.

Vicodin: Probably my favorite just to get sedated and ride it.

Mind you, I mixed a lot of these with Xanax.
Martin Worthingson - Thu, 12 Sep 2019 08:29:14 EST cbXJ46oj No.610277 Reply
I meant more like anything good in that arena already on the market but really I should be doing my own research. and yeah, of course it's possible, it's also a major pain in the ass with some pretty severe consequences for even minor fuck ups. not to knock you for it obviously but I'm totally uninterested in that sort of thing.
Archie Bluffingfield - Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:00:58 EST dttlF/OR No.610281 Reply
Top 3:
  1. Oxycodone - My main crutch when I used, I think about it daily and it's to the point where I salivate when I think of them vividly enough. (Hi, BILLY MAYS HERE, for OXYclean.)
  2. Dilaudid - Rarely acquired, yet when I did I thought it was one of the best "Fuck-me-ups" IMO. No Legs tho.
  3. BTH before they started cutting it with Fent - The one complaint I had about Heroin was that, compared to Oxy, Heroin made me want to do NOTHING. NOTHING but lay down and be useless all day. Made me a whiny cynical old man.

I despise Tramadol. Everytime I binged on them for a day or whatever the fuck, the only thing I remember is ending the night with a couple throw up sessions after my last cig for the night. Horrible.
I also have a dislike for Vicodin. Hydro is probably one of the more underwelming drugs and even when I initally had tried them, the only good thing about them was that it put me into a nod. Anytime after that I Was sick and that was all I could get? Absolute waste of money. And my time. Sometimes I'd regretted splurging on Vicodin when I could've bought more weed or some Benzos.
Thomas de Queasy - Fri, 13 Sep 2019 03:28:10 EST gXF6L1+J No.610325 Reply
1 - Morphine
2 - Oxycodone (though it's only in second place because I wish it had a bigger IV bang)
3 - Fentanyl
Matilda Diffingkot - Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:49:03 EST 7OW1/2F8 No.610330 Reply
>real heroin, not that fentalogue bill Cosby shit
>power gap
Edward Pevingpatch - Sun, 15 Sep 2019 03:21:59 EST ESCXnZgl No.610381 Reply
Lol not knocking it. I backed myself into a corner with the high ass methadone. If gotten that trip going all around the world planned out a year in advance and then the clinic backed out of a month of take homes 3 weeks before I was scheduled to leave so I had to get something and found the fibf

I'm well past those days.

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