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Fresh Pods

- Thu, 18 Jul 2019 23:24:07 EST Qas/wbXX No.608257
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I took a bunch of pap somni poppy pods, fresh and bleeding latex, from a public park's garden. What should I do with them?
dr. m - Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:17:51 EST 1qKXc0ke No.608272 Reply

You should go back and steal the rest of the plant.

I would say dry them out if you can.
Polly Guckleman - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 00:45:44 EST GQhNIYcs No.608342 Reply
Lol I've been doing the same thing all week. Fresh pods for days. I've just been cutting off the stems and crowns then blending the pods up. Boil up some water then as soon as it starts boiling, take it off the heat and mix your poppy pod mash into it. Stir occasionally let sit in the water at least 15 minutes. Wouldn't hurt to add some lemon juice. This has been working greaaaaaat for me. Nods all week.
Polly Guckleman - Sun, 21 Jul 2019 00:47:02 EST GQhNIYcs No.608343 Reply
use a sieve, cheese cloth or old t-shirt to filter out the "tea" from the poppy mash. Doesn't taste any better or worse than really strong PST.
dr. m - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:29:26 EST 1qKXc0ke No.608386 Reply

The stems are also pretty potent and should be utilized as well. Just know that the thebaine content is supposedly a higher ratio, so it's best to consume pods with an equal number of stems instead of consuming a bunch of stems in a tea by themselves.

Either cut them two inches above the soil line, or pull the entire plant and cut off the last 2-3 inches near the root line. Q used to say a few papers he read about stated that supposedly the roots contained even more thebaine, and that the higher up the stem you go, the lower the thebaine ratio is relative to morphine and codeine.
Jarvis Fazzlehood - Tue, 23 Jul 2019 03:14:11 EST h6qvOPqH No.608391 Reply
What country are you in OP? I'm in AUS ad have noticed that where I dumped a binch of spent PST seeds in my backyard they're sprouting like crazy and I'm hoping they'll grow into a nice patch of poppies. I don't really want to have too many growing in my yard but unfortunately none of the ones I throw out by the side of the road seem to grow so it might be all I get a hold of.
Martin Gannerridge - Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:02:40 EST +QwV12dj No.608421 Reply
how much raw opium you have? you can add vinegar acid and make your own homemade black tar .
Morphiate !!FINz0LE9 - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 00:40:38 EST zaurUfK0 No.608426 Reply
I'm pretty sure that won't work. While pure (~99%), anhydrous acetic acid (aka glacial acetic acid) can partially acetylate morphine to create 6-MAM, it needs a catalyst to do so. You definitely can't just mix vinegar and morphine and expect to get something more powerful.
Phineas Chinnerdine - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:53:53 EST cbXJ46oj No.608429 Reply
are you telling me that there's more to opium refinement than household kitchen supplies? I have it on good authority that all the extra steps the cartels or whatever do when processing opium are in fact unnecessary, put into place by the anti vinegar lobbies back in the 60s to hamstring the booming heroin-based vinegar market.
Phineas Chinnerdine - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:49:38 EST cbXJ46oj No.608434 Reply
I dunno if you glossed over it but you will need GAA at the very least to get anywhere, not just normal kitchen vinegar. additionally, you should probably separate the morphine first (I think, it's been forever).

less sure about how important the second point is (unless you want to shoot, then it becomes VERY important. seriously, do not shoot unrefined opium and vinegar, the codeine will fuck your shit up), 100% sure about the first point. throwing vinegar at your drugs will definitely not make them stronger.
Cedric Coshbanks - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:29:07 EST 2KMSYyHW No.608451 Reply
No, he said GAA would get you some of the way there, but a catalyst was needed.
Caroline Neckleville - Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:35:16 EST ESCXnZgl No.608527 Reply
Isn't it oriental poppy season? Opi poppies should have already been gone and done by now. If its not, I feel bad for neighbors very shortly.
Matilda Worthingwater - Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:47:36 EST H8Mq5/ED No.608775 Reply
What's the difference between orie tal poppies and opi poppies?
What specific strain are the good ones for harvesting?
My local garden store has 4 different varieties and I'm very interested in growing.
Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 00:09:12 EST 7Y8izlLY No.608817 Reply
In a lot of the US poppy "season" is just started/passed if growing from seed though I never have trouble growing year round with the right medium.

I like Black Swan, Peony Double, Hungarian Blue, and Lauren's Grape. These are all P. Som. poppies which is what you want though California Poppies do have some decent, yet much much different and milder psychoactive effects.
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 02:07:46 EST OgX3IMCX No.608821 Reply

I looked up what those look like and I only rarely see ones as extravagant as those
We get these pink ones up north that I think are P.Somms but have less petals than the types you posted. I scout locations every year but last year I was on methadone and had too high of a tolerance. My friends said they liked it. The growing season is so short here the pods never get bigger than a golf ball. I Actually have one I painted gold from last year maybe i'll get around to posting it but i think it was the biggest of the dried stalk I could find.
Molly Gusslemere - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 18:49:01 EST vLgZtuUi No.608854 Reply
This was mentioned in another thread, but what's the issue with thebaine?

Seems like it just is stimmy, can't find anything else that seems negative on the googles...
Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 22:40:41 EST 7Y8izlLY No.608855 Reply
I grow a lot of active plants and like nice varietals/cultivars. I have phalaris grass, harmalas, aptenia, several kinds of poppy, several kinds of brugmansia, M. Hos., a few kinds of Acacia, A. Peregrina, bacopa, morning glory, P. Viridis, B. Caapi, Chaliponga, mapacho, S. Cordifolia, E. Novo, Ephedra, Sal. Div, Voacanga africana, T. Iboga, ashwaganda, Mitragyna Speciosa, hirsuta, and javanica, and a ton of different types of active cacti. That is about all I can think of at the moment.
Morphiate !!FINz0LE9 - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 23:13:23 EST zaurUfK0 No.608858 Reply
Its literally been about a decade now but back in the golden days of ebay poppies I had gotten a batch high in thebaine. It may not have been dangerous but it was very unpleasant. There wasn't an appreciable high but I felt like my heart was going to leap out of my chest after only drinking half the batch.

That's my only experience with what I believe to be high thebaine poppies. Its also worth noting that I'm not really a stim person so some people may have enjoyed those effects. I'd have to do more research on the mechanism of action for its stimulating action to know how dangerous it could be.
Morphiate !!FINz0LE9 - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 23:34:35 EST zaurUfK0 No.608859 Reply
Ok I just did a small cursory glance at a few abstracts and papers and have come up with a couple convincing facts about thebaine and its primary metabolite oripavine.

So first off its important to note that the toxic effects of thebaine and its metabolites are not mediated through opioid receptors:
"The toxicity of oripavine, phi-dihydrothebaine and morphine in the mouse did not appear to be antagonized by pretreatment with 1 mg/kg of naloxone given 10 min prior to the test drug. toxicity does not appear to be mediated at the opiate receptor;"

Secondly, and more important for our specific reasons as drug users, the potency of thebaine and oripavine is far lower than morphine is:
"Oripavine displays moderate potency (30- to 70-fold less than morphine) at the mu-receptor. Thebaine is able to stimulate opioid receptors only at very high concentrations (micromolar range)."

Not only that but the distance between the ED50 and LD50 (therapeutic index) is much smaller than morphine or other common opioids because of its non-opioid-related toxicity. I still havent found any broad receptor affinity characterization for thebaine or oripavine (only seen some for opioid receptors).

So long story short, by the time the opioid effects start to be noticeable for a non-tolerance individual the toxic effects may also be present. I'd love to hear some other analysis of the chemical tho as I'm pretty amateur at this stuff.
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 19:35:47 EST G7bImjNJ No.609070 Reply
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Four medium to large pods and a small premature one. Pic related. Picked them today. Tell me what you think.
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 22:00:33 EST OgX3IMCX No.609080 Reply
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More that I just found. I would say 10 to 15 of those pods are bigger than gold balls and I know where a few hundred more are as well
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 22:02:12 EST OgX3IMCX No.609081 Reply
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Why do you say that?

Also pic related. It's one of the two types of poppy that grow around here
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 22:03:23 EST OgX3IMCX No.609082 Reply
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The previous post is the more common pink variant. This is the harder to find red one.
DTMO - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 06:01:10 EST iwPQzXLg No.609100 Reply
No it's acetic anhydride, not the same as acetic acid contained in vinegar.
dr. m - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 03:59:33 EST lRTMMJYy No.609262 Reply

I'm just totally talking out my ass here, but I know the good UK pods and some of the afghani P. Somni's come in a white-pink or white-purple mix. Red poppies tend to be known as a different species of poppies. That's not to say the red ones can't be opium poppies or that the red ones are guaranteed bunk.

Supposedly the Californian poppy has some weird muscle relaxant/crude benzo gabaergic-like effects anyways, so one or two of those pods mixed in a bunch of others wont hurt. You did grab the entire plants, right? The stalks have loads of morphine in them. Leaving them behind to compost should be a mortal sin. I cant tell from your pics.

Ugh, if only Q were around to answer...I always looked forward to this time of the year when the fresh pod threads would pop up and Q always had so much experience to share about them.
Graham Noblingham - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:55:56 EST 7Y8izlLY No.609310 Reply
Acetic anhydride aka acetic anhydrous aka glacial acetic acid aka acetic acid is all the same thing and the same acid contained in vinegar just in very dilute amounts.
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:24:17 EST OgX3IMCX No.609312 Reply
Did you see the pics I posted above? what do you think about the pink ones? I just grabbed like 20 more golf ball size pods. Something I've learned over the years is to go with the poppies that have 10 or more spikes in the crown. I've seen poppies about half gold ball size with only six points on the crown and I know those ones suck. None of the ones I've picked this year have less than 10 points on the crown. I guess really its just a waiting game to get these puppies dried and see what happens. The ones I collected last year were iffy and I already had a massive tolerance so it didn't do fuck all for me but my intolerant friends said they caught a buzz off it.
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:39:15 EST OgX3IMCX No.609315 Reply
And No I didn't have the opportunity to grab the entire plant. Just the pods and about 4-6 inches of stak attached to it.... A bit of a waste I know..

They are fresh so would it be smarter for me to dry them out first?
hsn - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:27:19 EST cA+802PK No.609330 Reply
its not the same thing da fuck. good luck trying to acetylate heroin with GAA instead of acetic anhydride, come back and tell me they're the same thing when you do so
Simon Sangershit - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:40:38 EST 7Y8izlLY No.609422 Reply

>acetic anhydride
[acetic anhydride]

>the anhydride of acetic acid.


>the compound obtained by removing the elements of water from a particular acid.
William Hickleson - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 23:38:23 EST VItTqjDL No.609424 Reply
yeah but actually making household vinegar anhydrous is very difficult outside of a lab because it is extremely hydroscopic, as in its cheaper to buy anhydrous acetic acid then get the equipment and do it yourself.
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:01:34 EST qCKJ+Vie No.609427 Reply
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Pic related. Light for size reference
DTMO - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 02:32:13 EST iwPQzXLg No.609430 Reply
You're missing the key detail still though, acetic acid undergoing a dehydration reaction to form AA isn't the same as just evaporating off the excess water, which gives Glacial Acetic. It's not like dessicating (dehydrating?) Epsom salts or the like.
hsn - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 11:47:54 EST cA+802PK No.609448 Reply
Bro you will get laughed at by anyone that’s taken any sort of basic o chem course. That is like saying lab grade 99% alcohol is the same thing as your grandmas cheap gin. You can’t achieve anhydrous acetic acid at home by just removing the water via distillation or whatever it is you’re thinking. And any bit of moisture will turn that AA to GAA and render it useless. Just because it is the same compound in a different concentration does NOT make it the same.

Better example would be dilute hydrogen peroxide you use on cuts vs like 50% shit used in semiconductors. One will help stop a wound from bleeding and act as a slight antiseptic and the other can burn your fucking skin off, burn your lungs if inhaled and if you’re super lucky, you will experience a BLEVE if you’re using a strong catalyst or heat and get the FBI on your ass. I worked around 30% hydrogen peroxide doing extracts on organic materials and that shit is no joke. Worked with it haphazardly at first and ended up with serious burns on my hands. Comparing household vinegar to AA is stoopid and pedantic. Might as well say the sun is a giant birthday balloon while we’re at it.
Cedric Dartwell - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 12:33:42 EST RRzRTB4Z No.609451 Reply

Are they best when they are picked still green, a little before they start to get woody, (or maybe earlier?), and then dried, and then made into tea?
Any advice for my next grow?
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 23:51:54 EST OgX3IMCX No.609518 Reply
>Are they best when they are picked still green, a little before they start to get woody, (or maybe earlier?), and then dried, and then made into tea?

Also curious as well. My teas tend to be a combo of both.
dr. m - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 00:19:03 EST 1qKXc0ke No.609519 Reply

My understanding is that the dryer they are the more manageable they are to consume, but I don't know if fresh is actually more potent than dried pods. My biggest piece of advice is go back and take all the stalks if you can.
Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 00:31:33 EST 7Y8izlLY No.609520 Reply
Extract the latex and use that however you'd like
Dry the pods and make PPT (use the stems too)
Take the seeds and make PST if you have enough or reuse them for your next grow.

I don't really understand why so many take beautiful, fresh pods, dry them as is, and then just use that and ignore the latex and its potential.

Years ago people would by dried pods online or at local florists in a similar manner that they now buy seeds because they were used a lot in ornamental arrangements and contained residual latex.

After that was more or less put a stop to podheads switched to PST instead of PPT because unwashed seeds contain residual amounts of latex on the outside of the seed though to a much lesser extent.

Taking the whole, fresh plant and just drying it and making PPT is just asinine to me when can have that and latex and seeds.
dr. m - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 03:08:13 EST 1qKXc0ke No.609532 Reply

Personally, I'd just be most worried about the law....in the US anyways, scoring poppies, whether before or after pulling them out of the ground, but ESPECIALLY before when they're alive, basically proves intent and makes them super illegal. That's why I'm completely in the "consume whole in dried form" camp instead of "woo latex!"
Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 17:51:43 EST OgX3IMCX No.609554 Reply
does the latex not just dry out inside the dried pod? How would there be any less residual opium latex if you forgo the process of lancing the pods.
William Clayshit - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 21:36:44 EST xVR1J3zp No.609571 Reply
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This seems like the place to ask this question.

So I read a post the said that poppy plant roots don;t contain enough opiates to bother using but what about sprouts?

My family has a triple-decker food appliance that we have use to grow broccoli sprouts after hearing of their health benefits. I could use it to grow tons of poppy sprouts and as I already use PST I have no qualms ingesting an entire meal worth of them if it would give me a similar high.

Anyway I'll do my own research about this but if anyone has any info to offer I'd very much appreciate it.
dr. m - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:06:01 EST 1qKXc0ke No.609573 Reply

Absolutely they do. I don't remember the concentration, alkaloid profile, or the minimum/optimal age to harvest them. For some reason the numbers 100-200mg/kg of morphine are coming to mind, but I have no idea what the actual truth is.

By far the most educated guy on the topic is Q, who is no longer alive. The only other poster I'm confident can answer your question accurately is Bombastus, but he doesn't seem to post here anymore.
Thomas Gennerwick - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:07:32 EST 6YEguU42 No.609574 Reply
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Okay so I'm kinda small brain but I found a couple of sources that might help anyone who's interested



From my understanding you only get .002mg of 'total alkaloids' (opuim?) per sprout but 3 weeks later there's 4.38mg and if you wait another 25 days theres 65.32mg.

I've cropped all the tables from the first link together in pic related.

So anyway after 6 week or so maybe you could just blend up plants into a smoothie and get high that way?
dr. m - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:10:48 EST 1qKXc0ke No.609576 Reply

Whatever you do, be sure to use UK seeds ONLY for your personal cultivation of any mature plants or sprouts. They're better genetics than anywhere in the world, including Mexico, Afghanistan, and Thailand/Laos/Myanmar.
Thomas Gennerwick - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:30:41 EST 6YEguU42 No.609578 Reply
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Thanks for the reply, unfortunately I can get UK seeds here but I'd love for someone with assess to do an experiment alongside me. I can get AUS pharma seeds though.

Here a table from the second source I posted

I'm thinking I'll start a new thread to document my experiment and if anyone decides to join me they can post there too.
dr. m - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:35:34 EST 1qKXc0ke No.609580 Reply
If you can get an American or possibly I guess a Canadian friend to reship UK seeds, I can't recommend it enough. Australian seeds are thebaine dominant, and the most likely country of origin to cause various alkaloid "poisonings." Just 1-2lb of seed is enough to to plant an acre's worth of land (no idea how other countries measure land size).
Thomas Gennerwick - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:48:05 EST 6YEguU42 No.609583 Reply
Idk anyone from the states or Canada unfortunately and I feel uneasy about making an internet friend to send them due to the nature of what I'm attempting. But yeah if anyone with UK seeds can try this out that would be awesome!
Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 23:33:12 EST 7Y8izlLY No.609592 Reply
Yes, if you just cut the stem and let it dry out then you get the same amount as doing what I said here: >>609520 (actually you are likely to get a little bit more out of just cutting fresh pods and drying them but only very slightly) but you will only have pods instead of having dried pods, latex, and seeds to either use, grow, or trade for other seeds and things which is what I do with seeds and how I've gotten most of my active plants and prints.

If you are picking poppies from a moderately visible area or something like that then absolutely, yes, that is the best method.

I grow a lot of active plants (some of which are illegal) and fungi as you can see from my post here: >>608855 as well as a large garden and non-active plants and live in the middle of nowhere with a large amount of land so, for me, I'm not really worried about the police as if they show up and are where they can actually see the poppies growing or being prepared I'm already majorly fucked.

I honestly don't think its a ton of risk for home growers whether indoors or out as long as you take proper precautions and I would personally rather have them all separate than just the dried pods/stems/seeds/latex all together.
Hillbilly Heroin !JhIhjqOq5k - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 23:45:48 EST 7Y8izlLY No.609593 Reply
They are easy to find if you have a botanical interest in them. Just make sure you get P. Som. although I grow Cali poppies as well for a couple tinctures. My recommendations are here: >>608817

Also, I am unsure how they will do under what is essential a closed humidity dome. IME growing medium and conditions, especially early on, are quite important.

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