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Harm Reduction Notes for the COVID-19 Pandemic

For homies kickin opiates

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- Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:22:20 EST Fi5FzQls No.613877
File: 1582870940506.jpg -(82278B / 80.35KB, 720x718) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. For homies kickin opiates
Currently kicking an iv heroin habit. Laying in bed chain smoking Newport’s. 4 days since my last shot of dope, and 2 days since my last suboxone. Decided to say fuck the subs and just kick the rest old school. I did eat some cbd gummies (I still don’t think cbd does anything lol but my girl insisted I tried it) and also took 20mg loperamide. So this thread is dedicated to anyone trying to kick their opiate habit, and for the week or so of sleepless nights to come. Cheers from Philly.
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Alice Murdforth - Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:31:38 EST 7Y8izlLY No.613878 Reply
>>613877
>So this thread is dedicated to anyone trying to kick their opiate habit
Thanks. The half dozen or so on the first two pages of the board wasn't nearly enough!
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Priscilla Hundershit - Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:46:46 EST Fi5FzQls No.613880 Reply
>>613878
Ayyyy my first homie reply. I mean, I didn’t see any specifically said that it was meant for detox, just like, people asking questions about lope and stuff. My b big cat>>613878
>>613878
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Hugh Binnernune - Fri, 28 Feb 2020 05:16:37 EST 3DGFbmlb No.613885 Reply
>>613880
You seem really nice. I hope this works out for you my dude. Regardless of it's to lower tolerance or if you're quttin for good, I hope you make it. Love you~
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Priscilla Hundershit - Fri, 28 Feb 2020 05:57:39 EST Fi5FzQls No.613887 Reply
>>613885
Hey man. Appreciate the kind words. No I’m quitting for good. I had a couple years clean in recovery and relapsed a few months ago. Thanks again tho man.
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Priscilla Hundershit - Fri, 28 Feb 2020 05:59:25 EST Fi5FzQls No.613890 Reply
>>613886
I’ve been an on and off iv heroin user for 12 years, with years of clean time mixed in there. As far as 420chan, I used to lurk here a very long time ago, first time posting here in maybe 7 years.
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Molly Boshridge - Fri, 28 Feb 2020 16:39:26 EST Iod+ePNo No.613896 Reply
cheers from europe, hope you make it, brother
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James Bemmershit - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 01:01:48 EST Fi5FzQls No.613906 Reply
>>613896
Hey brotha, thanks so much! I’m still goin strong, except I haven’t slept in almost two full days now hahaha
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Ebenezer Nengershaw - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 04:25:04 EST uEHpumuQ No.613911 Reply
Hope you kick the habit in the asshole and out of your life. I changed from daily weed and alcohol to opiates and codein because of a surgery and hoping to get back on the weed train after the pills run out.

Hang in there, but not from your ceiling
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Clara Brallerstone - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 04:48:30 EST 6q3RPJUZ No.613912 Reply
>>613877
Was just in Philly to see GZA at underground arts
Was too fucked up on percs to get in the venue
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Charles Duckleson - Sun, 01 Mar 2020 02:12:40 EST Fi5FzQls No.613927 Reply
>>613877
The RZA must have been sick. Underground arts is a dope venue too. Update, I’m still going strong, feeling pretty decent all things considered. My sleep is still really shitty. Appreciate all the support though, you guys are homies
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Archie Hannertedge - Sun, 01 Mar 2020 04:59:14 EST JD/7JWNJ No.613928 Reply
>>613877
good luck anons. I was never able to kick outright like that, I just hate withdrawal too fucking much. For me, methadone was the only way. I think there is a lot of bad junkie science that tells people methadone is worse — liquid handcuffs and what not — but that wasn’t my experience at all. If methadone is liquid handcuffs then dope is an injectable jail cell in aqueous solution. If anyone finds it impossible to kick dope, please at least give methadone a shot. Saved my life, not to mention 10’s of thousands of dollars.
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Dr. Katz !KqgSR25gAQ - Sun, 01 Mar 2020 05:02:32 EST KnL4ajYu No.613931 Reply
>>613877
My brother recently relapsed.
If you really want to get clean, well, then start taking the necessary steps forward. Onward and upward as some of the pre-middle aged adults day (i.e. 28 to 30 y/o)
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Martha Pockbury - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 02:29:48 EST LZ2GiWn6 No.613979 Reply
been over 24 hours since my last shot. Been meaning to quit since I relapsed after 1 year clean time. I keep telling myself tomorrow will be my next day. I decided to give it a try since I was broke but its so awful I convinced my girl to take me to cop tomorrow morning. Just 10 more hours till shes off work.
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Reuben Wosslefoot - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 04:03:38 EST Mjy8E5PD No.613980 Reply
>>613931
28 is pre middle aged? Damn I didn't realize I was that close to my midlife crisis
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Beatrice Pinninglock - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 22:54:57 EST Fi5FzQls No.614018 Reply
OP here. I’m still going strong. I got through detox! I’m 11 days clean now. Completely clean. Not even weed or alcohol. I’m back in NA meetings daily. Also back to work full time doing construction. Again, I’ve been an IV heroin user for 12 years. I’ve had periods of clean time, multiple consecutive years. I’m not saying it’s easy, but recovery is possible. Already my life has turned around. Idk if this will give anyone hope, but if this absolute speedball fiend can kick cold turkey, get through detox, and stay clean, so can you. Cheers mates.
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Thomas Trotstock - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 07:56:33 EST OY8VGOLR No.614024 Reply
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>>613877
It's always shitty man but best of luck. I've kicked countless times now and I'll just go back when I'm depressed or something. If you can get pregabalin take like 900mg each day and it makes kicking it so damn easy... almost too easy as now I got an excuse to just use again cos if I want to stop pregabs put it into easy mode.
First time I kicked though was pure hell. Didn't sleep for 4 days with constant restless legs, woulda topped myself if I had the energy. Did it with pregabs and it was just kinda like being in a shitty dream like daze for a couple weeks. But yeah fuck suboxone or methodone or another replacement, they just make it harder.
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lol - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 09:33:51 EST IggaRoSW No.614027 Reply
>>614018
Congrats brother and keep at it, I don't recommend coming here if you'retrying to stay off, if I wasn't on methadone I'm sure I would of lost to temptation by now. I wish I had the will and strength to stay off without methadone but at this point I've been trying most of my life. Maybe one day I can say I'm not dependent on anything that I used to get high on. I can dream
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HP Lovecraft’s Cat - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 10:20:49 EST bu+IVynP No.614028 Reply
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Good luck man and make sure to find something productive to do with all that time you used to spend on the drugs.
For many addicts it isn’t the getting off, but the staying off, that is most hard.
Finding something to effectively fill that void with is to me a major line in the sand between lasting success in sobriety or just being a dry junkie who will likely fall off again when rough times hit.
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m - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 16:34:11 EST vgHBTjMI No.614032 Reply
>>614024
Sometimes I wish I had an idea of how easy it is to CT detox from a moderate or smaller habit, like a few OC80s or bags of real H a day. With stuff like PST/PPT and methadone, suboxone/subutex truly is way way more mild to detox from. It's not really useful/helpful to look down on other addicts, but after experiencing CT detox from as much as 1000-3000mg oral morph/day (~667-2000mg oral oxy IR equiv), it's the only real opi WD I know. Before PPT/PST, I didn't even consider CTing from pills as "detox" because abruptly stopping something as small as 40-50mg hydrocodone or 30-45mg oxycodone just feels like a flu. It's nothing compared to literally not sleeping for 13-15 days, having RLS+RArmS+REverythingS+puking and shutting everywhere.

This one girl was at an NA meeting, and after talking to her she said she was on day 4 CT from 60mg oxy/day, and she frankly was acting like a huge baby and complained she "only" slept 6 hours the last 3 days, whilst talking about how she "might" relapse in a few days after getting paid. Regardless, for people like her, stuff like bupe or methadone is super fucking dumb choice wise. If she thinks 60mg oxy/day CT makes her want to leap off a bridge, she has no fucking idea what CTing 50-150mg methadone/day or 1000mg+ morph XR/day is like. I bet 8mg bupe is even worse, since supposedly 8mg subbed bupe is roughly equal to ~240mg oral morph in potency.

Obviously we're better off supporting each other instead of comparing ourselves so we can step on others for an ego boost, but for some of the cry babies, I really wish they had been exposed to kratom before exchanging 60mg oxy or 2-4 sub-100mg bags of dope/day for like 60mg+ methadone/day or 8mg+ bupe/day and then wondering why the methadone induction dose got them high as a kite, or wondering why missing two done doses feels so bad.
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Wesley Weffingstire - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:01:01 EST r0fk2BET No.614129 Reply
>>614032
A lot of its relative...if kicking 80mg oxy/day is the most intense thing you've experienced, then its the most intense thing you've experienced. Im sure theres some crazy chemists and btc barons taking ridiculous amounts of fent/day that would laugh at kicking a dank seed habit.
Theres also underlying disease that is not treated, many people gravitate to painkillers to kill (psychic or somatic) pain or escape other problems, if those arent fixed or at least identified, then it doesnt matter if you were taking a few 500mg vikes or kilos of morphine, you will have a problem when you're sober.
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Doris Blendlemere - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 21:50:12 EST I9hYAP01 No.614132 Reply
>>614032

Coming from someone who has CT kicked 175mg methadone daily, 1200mg morphine daily, 50mg of 93% purity fent daily on all different occasions, nothing made me actually want to commit Sudoku like the fent. My bones ached down to the very core and I had to sit there and punch my legs until they were all bruised up to get any sort of relief from RLS. It only lasted 6 days, but the 16 days of methadone WD didn't just nearly as fucking bad as the 6 of fent. Luckily I haven't touched an opi since kicking fent. I am never going through that horrible, horrible soul shattering experience again.
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Betsy Nicklefoot - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 02:15:49 EST PZRjwi89 No.614243 Reply
>>613877
i want to get on subs since goodrx shows them as affordable

but would i lose my addie and clonazepam scripts? I would be going to a different doctor but i'm sure they would contact my psychiatrist.. and i think people get caught when they don't
i understand this may be case by case but i'd be curious to hear other people's experiences
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m - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:15:43 EST Giz4cfZQ No.614253 Reply
>>614243
Generally, there's no fucking chance in hell you'll be able to keep your benzo script unless you're an epileptic with documentation that proves that no other medication is effective. It's just not going to happen.

For stimulants, it's on a doctor to doctor basis, but most won't be okay with it IMO. It took over 6 months of getting drug tested anywhere from once weekly to once monthly before my doc even considered scripting me addy/dex.

You'll have to choose between subs and clonazepam. Just figure out what benzos you can possibly take and still pass the doc's specific tests. I'm quite sure that mine doesn't test for etizolam, but definitely does test for clonazepam.

Whatever you do, dont sign up with one of those methadone clinics that also offer suboxone. Find a private practice psychiatrist that's also approved to dispense subs, preferably one that runs their own practice or is generally "in charge" of the practice. Mine won't script benzos, gabapentinoids, or z-drugs long term period, and only gave me like ~20x0.5mg lorazepam one single time.
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Hannah Fillywater - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 21:05:13 EST eF1FDVXL No.614258 Reply
>>614253
thanks m. i'm probably best off just keeping a maintenance level smoking habit, like 2 matchhead smokes a day. one of the most appealing things about dope is just that it helps with hyperhidrosis
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m - Wed, 18 Mar 2020 21:36:29 EST vgHBTjMI No.614275 Reply
>>614258
It is what it is man. You've gotta work with the system the way it's set up. I was patient and played by the rules within reason, not popping hot for cannabis all the damn time and other stupid shit (only happened once early on, and ironically a family member had given me a brownie and didn't tell me until after I ate it that it wasn't just hemp), and now I only get tested once every 3 months, and I know usually over 2 months in advance when my test will be lol.

If I wasn't trying to be in recovery, it would be a goddamn breeze to pass a test four times a year. It's definitely worth the 1000+ 8mg bupe tablets and 2000+ 10mg dex tablets per year as well. Benzos are some of the cheapest drugs in existence, and boy I've got to tell you, having enough bupe stash to last like 5+ years already is quite empowering.

Whatever you decide, I hope you make an actual decision instead of just "letting shit happen" until one day things are a certain way. Staying "sober" from opi full agonists is best for me, and I'm taking a massively needed T break from so much dexedrine every day.
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Thants !IZgeXR9w82 - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 02:01:17 EST MZO/O/UH No.614277 Reply
>>614253
Loads of people on methadone/sub/kadian maintenance at my clinic are prescribed some form of benzo from the same doctor. I for example get Librium, the shittest of all benzos. I know other people who get clonaz or diaz. When I first started on the Kadian program I was on 4mg clonazepam a day that eventually got reduced then switched to Librium so I wouldn't exactly say you're correct in my experience. And no i'm on it for benzo use disorder no other diagnoses
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lol - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 03:32:30 EST oaWRMjn3 No.614280 Reply
>>614277
Yeah same with my clinic , they like to say they can't script you both but it's really up to their discretion, it depends on the clinic, person and their circumstances, first sub doc I had gave me kpins my second appointment no questions asked granted it was a very long time ago now so things are probably a lot harder.
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Caroline Benkinbury - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 06:27:30 EST Mjy8E5PD No.614284 Reply
>>613877
How do people smoke or drink alcohol or eat food or any of that shit while withdrawing? I feel so terrible when withdrawing I can't imagine doing anything but drinking water
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m - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:12:56 EST vgHBTjMI No.614286 Reply
>>614277
I meant in the US, not in a civilized country where they actually give multiple takehomes instead of shutting down clinics entirely due to pandemic risk.

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