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Avoiding opiate addiction

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- Mon, 18 May 2020 10:59:33 EST VOq/TOdp No.615268
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Is there any way to try/use opiates occasionally without getting addicted? I plan not to try out any hard stuff, just codeine, but i've heard that it's very difficult to stop once you try it a few times.
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Fanny Drindlegold - Mon, 18 May 2020 12:55:06 EST klNLZhwY No.615269 Reply
>>615268
Set hard boundaries and don't cross them.

Think back to past occasions when you dealt with serious life stresses. How did you react? Did you shrug it off? Did you think it through and adapt? Or did you shut down and look for an escape? When life goes to shit and you're in the middle of your sober period between doses, do you trust yourself not to reach for the codeine to cope?
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Phoebe Marringcocke - Mon, 18 May 2020 14:17:10 EST VOq/TOdp No.615270 Reply
>>615269
I suppose I could try to do that, maybe by restricting my access to the drug. I deal with stress and problems by withdrawing and finding a way to adapt to them, rather than facing them head on.
>When life goes to shit and you're in the middle of your sober period between doses, do you trust yourself not to reach for the codeine to cope?
I guess so, I know that it wouldn't benefit me for long, especially considering the risk of addiction. I don't know how that would go in practice, right now I'm pretty stable though.
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Thomas Mishworth - Mon, 18 May 2020 14:17:18 EST OjvfybaZ No.615271 Reply
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>>615269
This, its not possible by the way lel, I'll contriboot my case:

>Friends grandma passes away
>Acquire an entire wardrobe of morphines, most boxes were 60 count x 30mg, at least 15 of those.
>Keep up a stable year and a half habit of only consuming weekends
>Eventually that schedule gets stretched from the very moment I leave work fridays to monday night.
>Eventually that stretches into small doses to avoid being absolutely sick by wednesday at work
>Full blown dope feen.

Only after some messed up shit did I start to actually respect that shit, but honestly its still impossible with stuff like oxycodone, you have oxy, you consume the oxy.

In my 3rd year of opes (and I always had a bigass stash at all times) is when things started to really go to shit, but its inevitable, your mind will get twsited beyond reason.
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Phoebe Marringcocke - Mon, 18 May 2020 14:43:57 EST VOq/TOdp No.615272 Reply
>>615271
I won't have access to such a large dose though. Would that change anything?
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Thomas Mishworth - Mon, 18 May 2020 16:23:40 EST OjvfybaZ No.615273 Reply
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>>615272
Probably, but idk, it might just mean that you'll hang around people that might be able to score it more often, this addiction shit is full of variables.

In any case go for it man, codeine feels great as a noob, just try not to glorify it inside your head, eventually you'll come to highly regard it.
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Jack Gammerwell - Mon, 18 May 2020 19:18:53 EST kCjHskME No.615276 Reply
>asking heroin addicts for help with self-control
lmfao wow
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Esther Crogglewater - Tue, 19 May 2020 22:50:58 EST 29QbCoeq No.615289 Reply
>>615276
And why not? Some heroin addicts probably have more self control than anyone else.
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Frederick Mezzledock - Wed, 20 May 2020 13:49:44 EST vBUOIBuR No.615296 Reply
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>>615268
Have you had depression your entire life?
If so, you will be (psychologically) addicted the very first reasonably-sized dose you take.
>pic, me for the last 11 years
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Isabella Brookham - Wed, 20 May 2020 14:04:57 EST OjvfybaZ No.615297 Reply
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>>615296
very wholsome chungus of you to feel identified with meme addict movie #5
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Panda_Five - Wed, 20 May 2020 14:07:31 EST vBUOIBuR No.615298 Reply
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>>615297
kek I actually found that on google images for 'running in poppy field' - I have no idea where thats from.
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Isabella Brookham - Wed, 20 May 2020 14:50:49 EST OjvfybaZ No.615299 Reply
>>615298
from a dicaprio grunge movie, hes basically kurt cocain minus the music, nb
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John Ginningfodge - Wed, 20 May 2020 19:23:38 EST sZkWkO8H No.615300 Reply
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Not really, no.

The only reason I'm not addicted to hard opiates is because I'm addicted to kratom, and only use heroin every few months when I wanna party over the weekend.

If you use opiates with any regularity you're eventually gonna slide down that slippery slope, and one day you'll wake up dope-sick.
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Wesley Davingmine - Thu, 21 May 2020 05:48:51 EST bj8s2ro/ No.615311 Reply
>>615299
He's actually playing the poet Jim Carrol who wrote a book by the same name of the movie and was addicted to heroin for almost his entire life.
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Jarvis Pettingnot - Thu, 21 May 2020 13:51:40 EST OjvfybaZ No.615316 Reply
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>>615311
>James Dennis Carroll was an American author, poet, autobiographer, and punk musician.

He was a 420channer of his time
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Eliza Blatherforth - Thu, 21 May 2020 23:18:44 EST 9YcMjC+e No.615321 Reply
>>615268
I first got addicted to codeine. It’s really fun and after the first 3-5 times I was already hooked. Ended up finding poppy seed tea and then I was addicted to that too. Seems like you’re talking about “chipping” where you use only occasionally and leave long enough breaks between usage to stay unaddicted. Opiate addiction has its problems but at least you can have a lot of fun when you’re high.
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Polly Gibblestut - Thu, 21 May 2020 23:30:49 EST W90qOOis No.615322 Reply
>>615316
Herbie pushed Tony from the Boys' Club roof
Tony thought that his rage was just some goof
But Herbie sure gave Tony some bitchen proof
Hey, Herbie said, Tony, can you fly?
But Tony couldn't fly - Tony died
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Reuben Brallyduck - Sat, 23 May 2020 07:56:36 EST bj8s2ro/ No.615343 Reply
>>615316
can't believe so many people could do opiates and not know this guy, he's up there with lou reed, or burroughs as far as famous junkies go.
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Phineas Gundershit - Sat, 23 May 2020 08:22:58 EST D/iKjtLy No.615344 Reply
>>615268
I'd say yes. I've been doing it for years at this point. But who knows, maybe something will snap and I'll go full tryone biggums, just for opis not crack?
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Doris Lightdale - Sat, 23 May 2020 08:55:44 EST OjvfybaZ No.615346 Reply
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>>615343
WIth all due respect as you can read and watch whatever you want, surely theres something to be taken from such pieces, but some people dislike celebrity culture in general, especially one that romantizes opiate use, I have the feeling those people are the lil peeps of their generation, talking about how shitty their life is and how much of a hedonistic heaven opiates are, its alll very said and done. nb
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Phineas Gozzledet - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:12:52 EST bj8s2ro/ No.615368 Reply
>>615346
I'd say you could make that case for lou reed given he's a musician and a lot of his music was glorifying drug use, but you really can't compare bouroughs or carrol cause most of their work had nothing to do with their drug use and they didn't revel in the sadness of their addiction and lifestyles like someone like peep does. For me personally thats why I like them and dislike people like lil peep, its a reminder that even with addiction or the problems you may have your still a normal person at the end of the day who can contribute great things to the world, not some charicature of a junkie whose only famous for glorifying a lifestyle that is self destructive. But thats just me
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opioid connoisseur - Sun, 24 May 2020 08:18:32 EST IIq5dt3U No.615371 Reply
>>615268
yup. i started using dihydrocodeine 3.5 years ago, then oxy, then heroin. all in moderation and you're fine. i don't get cravings or anything. nowadays i just buy ER oxy because I enjoy nodding for the whole day, but I only do this about once or twice a week.

i don't get cravings or withdrawal, just that typical "well fuck, it's all gone. oh well" and then I wait until it's time for me to start nodding again to go buy more. i've avoided withdrawal this way extremely easily. it takes self control for sure, but it's 100% do-able.
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Beatrice Bizzlenitch - Mon, 25 May 2020 09:43:40 EST Mjy8E5PD No.615387 Reply
>>615268
Not having a local source helps. I finally kicked the worst of addiction by having to order through the darknet. Takes a week to get here, I'm high for two weeks straight and slowly taper near the end, and get a tiny bit sick for a few days. Then I don't buy anymore for maybe 3 weeks or so. Seems to be working fine, at least much better than the daily grind I suffered before.
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Nell Bardlock - Mon, 25 May 2020 14:46:34 EST rjBr5RjS No.615388 Reply
>>615368
Yo peep died at 21, you don't think bouroughs or carrol went through a wild youth stage? Not a fair compare :(
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william maynard garver - Tue, 26 May 2020 21:20:16 EST Ht8q9Aci No.615401 Reply
>>615388
carroll was on junk at like 13 but bill didnt try junk till he was about 30
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Eliza Backletodge - Fri, 05 Jun 2020 23:00:19 EST 0Ulak08t No.615545 Reply
>>615269
>Set hard boundaries and don't cross them.
Bumping this from the ether.
I'm a pain patient and a pain patient who has been on opiates for 5 years now. At the very start I was warned what could happen and it was explained to me so I could research and I did. I looked into WD from opiates and I set hard limits to only using them when I was in pain, only when I absolutely need to.

Now pain increases over the years and although the opiates don't actually kill or remove any of my pain they do provide a distraction but I've always stayed within set limits of the dose I can take and I take not only days but weeks off between when I take them. I'm primarily prescribed both Morphine and Codeine.
If I have a day where I have some relief, something. I have to go three without. I can force myself to go a week, 2 weeks or even a month without pain relief. Am I a total cunt during it? Absolutely, but I've never experienced WD.

The starting tolerance is gone for me, I don't feel like I'm gonna hurl all the time but I've never experienced WD's from opis and as long as I continue I should be safe. Even my primary GP has agreed.
The locum GP who had to fill a script for me after 3.5 months though while my GP was off cause of Rona? She shit herself at prescribing it.

The importance of hard limits cannot be understated, but not everyone can be so strong. If you're doing it for purely recreational issues or have other issues then it's gonna be harder ):
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Doris Bramblebanks - Sat, 06 Jun 2020 00:00:04 EST l/QqfqV/ No.615547 Reply
>>615545

>She shit herself at prescribing it.

Curious if you can expand on this. Is it because its damn near impossible to get anything other than tramadol or Tylenol 3 nowadays? I figure you dont get prescribed morphine or the stronger-than-morphine opioids (hydromorphone, oxymorphone) unless you're literally dying anymore.

I'm curious how one would get prescribed oxycodone on a regular basis. Maybe even hydrocodone. SOMETHING decent. Shit, I'll even take high dose codeine. I got prescribed hydrocodone years ago after getting my wisdom teeth removed, my buddy got ibuprofen when he got his removed a couple years ago, and my other buddy got hydrocodone this year. I guess its hit or miss.

I've been somewhat considering injuring myself to get PKs, honestly. I cant find any fucking heroin in my area and I'm not paying $150 a gram for "pretty decent" H on the DNM
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Eliza Backletodge - Sat, 06 Jun 2020 05:29:32 EST 0Ulak08t No.615552 Reply
>>615547
>Curious if you can expand on this. Is it because its damn near impossible to get anything other than tramadol or Tylenol 3 nowadays? I figure you dont get prescribed morphine or the stronger-than-morphine opioids (hydromorphone, oxymorphone) unless you're literally dying anymore.
I'm still prescribed Morphine but I'm prescribed Morphine on top of Gabapentin & Codeine.
So this whole shit started because I came of Gaba like 9 months ago to try an antidepressant and it didn't work. It was going to clash with it, but yeah. Straight up didn't work and I ended up with EXTRA adrenal issues so my GP moved me back to gaba on top of morphine and codeine.

So the plan was 100mg Gaba up to 900mg per day over the month and it was a steady plan knowing i'd been on it before. Made perfect sense. Only I needed to renew my script at the same time as getting the updated gaba script. So I requested both and the GP rejected it giving ONLY 100mg gaba over 28 days instead of 900mg/28 & codeine & morphine. Despite the fact it'd been 4 months since my last Codeine script and 3 months from my last morphine script. I'm also on beta blockers to control adrenaline.

I had to call the surgery again to double check it and in the end she gave codeine & my real dose of gaba to tide me until my GP came back but still wasn't comfortable on giving out the morphine on top.
So. My dose isn't THAT big to me. I don't think it'll seem that big to junkies either. 30mg x100 every few months, meant to be taken at 60mg a dose with 500/1g paracetamol in tow.
Only somehow my GP read this as a giant dose, ALONG with the morphine I use to travel (on public transport) and gabapentin and assumed I was an abuser for some reason. Started questioning me heavily on the phone. Well we don't usually give out this much, you should go to a pain clinic, I don't think I can give out this much without a pain clinic....pls see an occupational therapist etc etc and asking me about my use.
So despite that weird, weird interaction my actual usage was low, split between my breaks I was consuming a max of 1.25 pills per day (30mg) when even at the calculated redose I'd be on 1.7 per day. Way under what it'd be to be addicted. That's WITH my self imposed gaps. I barely take it but somehow she questioned it. It was so bizarre I had to make an excel sheet calculating my use over the months to find out if I had a problem (I knew I didn't).

I don't know what happened here but it seems she saw this dose on top of my regular morphine as extraordinarily high and straight up refused it outright. Truth is I'm a big guy. I'm 140kg, overweight because I can't get out and my bone and joint pain don't feel the benefits of the poppy. She's reading articles about NSAID's curing EDS and joint pain and here's me a daily 7 or 8 on the mankoski pain scale ready to top myself. She didn't take that into account and refused to prescribe it until the head of the surgery stepped in and prescribed it for me.

All in all a weird time for me because *I* don't think it's that high a dose. I guess she was taking the morphine, gaba AND codeine into account as a regular thing. Given how stressed and overworked they've been during COVID I'd guess this is the case. Especially considering she lied to me over the phone about her past history at the surgery.

b'yeah. It's "easy" for me as a pain patient with the right GP, but a locum shitter who's read an article on opiate abuse will not write a script for you.
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Eliza Backletodge - Sat, 06 Jun 2020 05:31:20 EST 0Ulak08t No.615553 Reply
>>615552
I also want to add that my ACTUAL GP is a complete bro and understands that without pain relief or even a small sense of high that I'd kill myself or worse do harm to myself by hacking off my limbs.

That's how you get prescribed pain meds during these dark times. Not to fake injurys but to be in such a state that 5 years ago you should have been in a wheelchair but you're still tanking along trying your best in pain with a 185bpm heartrate.
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Doris Bramblebanks - Sat, 06 Jun 2020 07:50:10 EST l/QqfqV/ No.615554 Reply
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>>615552

Ah, so you have a legitimate chronic pain issues for the past 5 years. The makes sense, then. My condolences. With the current "opioid epidemic", at least here in the U.S., docs are scared to prescribe anything stronger than absolutely at most best case scenario 10mg hydrocodone.


>>615553

Yeah, not to get all /qq/ here, but I have treatment resistant major depressive disorder, bad general anxiety, etc. I've run the gauntlet of antidepressants for literally 10+ years and nothing has worked. The only thing that makes me feel better, even just "normal, is opioids and "getting high".

I've been tempted to tell my GP or psychiatrist that I will most likely kill myself if i dont use opioids, but I dont have any sort of chronic pain, so I'll probably get labeled a drug seeker and make things worse. Idk. I'm gonna tell my psych opioids are the only thing that makes me feel better next time and see what happens.
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Hannah Sallerditch - Mon, 08 Jun 2020 06:19:03 EST pMLYvCkK No.615589 Reply
>>615552
Are they prescribing you gabapentin for your joint pain or your anxiety?
What is the actual condition that is causing you pain?
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Rebecca Brookstone - Wed, 10 Jun 2020 23:33:26 EST 29QbCoeq No.615623 Reply
>>615553
What type insurance do you have? I used to be at least that crippled. Drs would only give me tramadol or steroids... I only had poor ass obama care tier insurance
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Charles Gottingdire - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:54:18 EST BPlnPlpR No.615688 Reply
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>>615589
>Are they prescribing you gabapentin for your joint pain or your anxiety?
It's prescribed for my nerve damage actually. Ever since my early teens I've had nerve damage in one of my legs where I had a skin graft.
My GP's reason for it is to treat the nerve pain, but also because it's worked well in the past for sedating me and anxiety (though adrenaline is still an issue). We've chosen this over antidepressants because they don't work on me (tried several times) AND the nerve pain becomes an issue. I guess it also works well in combination with morphine/codeine.

>What is the actual condition that is causing you pain?
It's a collection of issues but mainly it's Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome causing joint pain and aches. I dislocate and fracture my joints frequently. My Knee's a giant mess, I've fractured the joints in my hands more than anyone ever should. I generally subluxate and dislocate my fingers every day and my wrist/elbows every other day if not multiple times. Shoulder pops out when I sleep and my left shoulder in particular is bad for dislocating on me and causing me enough pain to not sleep. The hand and knee pain are enough to keep me inactive, I can't do too much for too long without considerable pain.
Consultations from hand surgeons say they could maybe fix my hands in a risky surgery. It has a proposed 50% success rate per digit, won't fix any of the pain I have from my joints but will help stop future dislocations and fix my mobility (no more hyperextensions). Problem is that it's required on every one of my fingers. As a young(er) person that isn't entirely viable or a good solution. The rest of the problems in my arms, wrists etc would still persist on top of the pain.


So all in all my condition is one that requires pain medication to improve my quality of life. For reference my pain daily is at least a 5-6 for 50-75% of the day with bursts of 7-9 based on what I'm doing. Good days I hover on 5-7 and bad days I hover on 8-9.
Even if I don't feel a great deal of pain relief, like I said above it's more of a distraction. I'd kill myself from the pain alone otherwise. My real GP has realised this and even if it's not effective; it's better than the alternative where I'd be cutting my limbs off after a couple of months or drinking myself to death.
Some doctors or practitioners may not agree with the opiates but there really isn't anything else other than NSAIDs or more extreme measures.


>>615623
>What type insurance do you have? I used to be at least that crippled. I only had poor ass obama care tier insurance
I'm British so I'm national health.

>Drs would only give me tramadol or steroids...
it may not help you, but if you are as crippled or in pain you can get the right doctor to prescribe for you. Though not sure if NA docs would. Sorry I can't help more.

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