Currently in rehab. Today is the first day without methadone. Got 1600mg of Gabapentin and 300mg of Pregabalin. Feeling ok.

>>131157
it's been 10 years since I tried elemi but I have not forgotten the taste...

Just took a cap and a half of GHB. BWO ftw

Feeling good as fuck. Trying to murder some burger king but also vibin hard

>>131157
i've read that you need other oils, like cinnamon and chamomile or something, to help activate it

>>131154
Yep, it was better than butalbital and much better than any benzo I've tried. Just the right blend of physical relaxation and goofy euphoria. I felt nice and refreshed the following day too.

Tonight I'm on:

>72mg ephedrine
>300mg theophylline
>24mg phenobarbital
>30mg thenyldiamine
>300mg guaifenesin (lol)

>>130687
I used kanna to help me quit.
It's sort of stimulating. Look into it though don't just take my word for it. I gave a thread about it on here.

>stimulating herbs

Ephedra >be careful
Betel nut >addictive and carcinogenic
That's all I got right now. Good luck. Sunflower seeds and asstons of coffee helped me too.

Yohimbeeee?

>>131170

technically /smoke/

>>131194
woops nevermind, didn't read all of the op

nigga that's a nicotine mint

here's your "shark fin" and the u is an n what stands for nicorette
did you not notice that it smells of mint like that should be the first test of a pill, is this a pill or is it a mint? well it smells minty so gee i don't know

>>131189
Lol. You're the man Albert

>>131188

>>131183

Thats a bar of dove soap.

>>131179
Op here. Got the tianeptine sulfate in yesterday and just dosed 100mg. (I didn't realize they were 25mgs instead of 250) I'll post back here once it wears off to let you know what I think. I used to eat tramadol and percs back when I was living in the sticks, but I haven't had them for a few years. I'm pretty stoked to have something that acts as both an anti-depressant and an opiate!

>>131180
Took the first 100mgs at 5pm, another 100 at 8, and I'm tempted to take another now at 11. If the sulfate is truly an upgrade to the sodium, I can only imagine how short lasting the sodium must be! I've had a few beers and a few rips of the oil rig tonight and they all work well in tandem. Nice and relaxed and as the second 100mgs hit I got some of those classic opiate feelings in my throat and chest.

Overall it's probably not going to be recreational for me in higher doses, but who knows. I don't have enough to cause addiction problems so I'll probably experiment more with higher and lower doses and give it up once I'm out. Honestly seems like phenibut is more of the drug for me!

>>131181
One more update before I give it a few weeks to see how my body responds.

After 300mgs of sulfate dosed 3 hours apart in 3 doses last night, I had some great opiate like effects and today has been a bright and early start and considerable mood lift! I've felt like tackling all of the stuff I've been putting off and just overall content. This wasn't fantastic recreationally, but if the anti-depressant effects can hit me in under 24 hours with a single dose I might have to start using small doses on my phenibut off days!

>>131160
Ya'll fuckers inspired me to try some Tianeptine i had laying around. bumping 50mg of sulfate

>>131184
Wasn’t bad imo. Dropping another 70mg now

>>131145
The point is that it's not remotely enough to knock you out.

>>131149
From the reports though o was expecting something half decent.

Today I recon I took about 1.5 g empty stomach after training and not a single thing was felt

Goin wait until Saturday take maybe 3 g

Another reason why I was expecting some sort of good feels was that an old friend who turned junky got him self on a 20 a day diazpam habit and he told me that when he used to go go through a lot of phenibut and actualy thought it was decent

>>131150
Did you eat it on an empty stomach and wait at least 3 hours before even expecting to feel something? 1.5 is a decent starter dose, but 2g and over is the recreational dose. 1.5 is a general mood lifter and social lubricant. Over that and things start to literally get shaky.

>>131156
Yerp
Only thing I've noticed from it is when I try to wake up from it I feel extremely groggy and keep on dosing off and can't wake properly from it.

Other than that nothing
I even have a deep sleep but because of above feeling when trying to wake it feels as if it's counter acting any goodness from it.

I'll try it one more time at 2.5g in a few more days

Then Try it the next day after taking coke and see if it helps with the anxiety I get from that the next day.

>>131159
It can take up to 5 hours to kick in (not peak) and it lasts for ages. Could well be that you're asleep before it's in full effect.

According to Wikipedia, fish oil, vitamin E, THC, nicotine, and caffeine are all readily-available neuroprotective substances (however THC is only legal in certain states).

I've also personally had experience with the neuroprotective drugs in the *racetam family (most famously, piracetam) which is legal in most places but may be hard to come by. In terms of neurogenerative substances, I've tried bacopa monnieri, Lion's Mane mushroom, and royal jelly but only felt neurogenerative-ish effects from the first two of the three (whereas all of the B vitamins in the royal jelly end up helping keep me energized throughout the day, but not feeling any smarter).

>>130661

>weed

kys
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1666926

DXM bby

>>130681

>rat studies
>1991
>all human knowledge is summed up by one asshole's study

No, you kill yourself.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1471-4159.2003.02327.x

http://www.pnas.org/content/95/14/8268.short

https://nyaspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1749-6632.2000.tb06193.x

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1365-2990.2011.01248.x

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>>130612
math

>>130700
i have hordenine and pea right now but i wanna try it on a day off. pea is pretty fucking strong though. stronger than i expected. i think the hordenine is supposed to lengthen that effect. i dont know about poor mans meth or whatever. i dont do meth but have used adderal/vyvanse/ritalin before and it didnt quite feel like speeding titties to me. maybe the hordenine will change it up.

>>130701
lengthen and strengthen or so I've read.

>>130649

>Dimethyl Ether

I think you mean DiETHYL ether

>>130700
So I tried the hordenine and pea combo. Don't think I timed them right because it didn't work as expected

>>130649
Phenibut - GABAergic. Similar to gabapentin or lyrica
Poppy seed tea - get unwashed poppy seeds, from the right vendor at the right time. Shake in room temperature water for 5-10 min, strain and drink. Gets you lit for like 12 hours.
Nutmeg - already listed, but i just wanna say nutmeg is dank and anyone who disagrees is doing it wrong
2m2b - butyl alcohol. Liquid, sold as a reagent. Like ethanol but a bit more sedating, a little more like a benzo. Many times more potent by volume. Doesn't convert to acetaldehyde in the blood meaning little/no hangover.
Kava - man kava can be serious. You just need to push it a lot. Still, not suitable for long term or heavy use.
Inhalants - don't do these

go to bed

>>131103
OP if you ever had friends who smoked this instead of weed you'd know it's not worth it. It makes you go psycho. I sound like someone from DARE or some shit but its just the truth. Spice is a joke.

>>131054
I smoked plenty of it back in college. Take a small hit to start, just one. Wait a minute or so before gauging whether you need a second hit, I found most types of spice gave a more intense high than weed, but with a much shorter duration. Don't smoke too much at once when you start. The first 15 minutes you'll be high as fuck in a nice meditative trance, it feels euphoric to think about anything. It helps you think about things from different perspectives, and there is often a sense of self learning. Eventually you'll open your eyes and you'll naturally go for the next toke, and keep on that track for a while. Creative thoughts subside after a while and resemble a normal cannabis high. After a long session you'll be burning two or three hits between breaks as the high steadily decreases. At this point you should call it quits, as you'll be wasting your spice for less effect. To get the same intensity of the first hit you have to fall asleep and wake up several hours later.

That's it, oh and don't smoke spice and drive, or go jogging or anything stupid, just veg out and watch movies or listen to music or surf the net

I also have to reiterate that you can't do this everyday or you'll completely lose your mind. Take it from the few of us in this thread who have had friends go off the deep end on it. My buddy was a decently good looking straight edge guy and after smoking synthetics for a few months was dating a 40 year old meth burnout and lost a few of his very long time friends due to silly and dumb fights. It will fuck your life up so you better do it in moderation.

Look up the vice documentary on synthetic weed addicts in great britain. Withdrawals from hell that might kill you.

>>131054
I've been on and off but pretty much abused it for the last 10 years. It's shit these days, the high isn't what it used to be. Modern synthetics not only have a shitty high but are increasingly toxic compared to the first and second generation synthetics. The days of 018 and 2201 are long gone and these new synthetics' effects last so short with a high so low, you'll be redosing, and redosing, and redosing, every 5 to 10 minutes just to gain any recreational value, but then the toxicity becomes apparent. Withdrawal from synthetics is also really shitty. Numb skin, difficulty peeing, difficulty sleeping, cold sweats, no appetite, it's a shitty experience. If you can source real weed, it's a no brainer.

With all that said and done, I'm a fiend for synthetics, especially in pure powder form. I'm still looking for the kind of high stuff like 018 and 2201 had but that's proving ever more impossible these days. Synthetic weed is a completely different animal. Even if it reacts with the same CB receptors in your brain, it feels unlike weed on all levels. Some of the more intense synthetic cannabinoids are closer to psychedelics than weed. The shitty thing about herbal blends is you don't really know what's in the mix and it's different every time.

>>131054

Yo, I used to be pretty addicted to the first generation of Synthetic Canabinoids.
Namely JWH-018 and the later numbers in the series and towards the end with the really strong ones like Zombie Matter Halo (I dont know what was in that brand. If someone knows, I'd like to educate myself so please lemme know).
Lemme tell you, whatever reason you're dicking with this stuff, i don't care.
Everyone has to make their own mistakes and learn the hard way but what I will tell you is that you need to be careful with this stuff. The fact that you didn't post what chemical you are taking in the OP tells me you're probably a little naive to this kind of stuff.

All I'm saying is you need to figure out what chemical you're dealing with before smoking this stuff. As someone else mentioned, you can't smoke this shit everyday like regular weed and expect sanity. It just wont happen and when you start binging on grams a day and smoke like a quarter a week youll see what I mean.

Literally, I am alive today because my mother pulled me off the carpet at 16 when I was convulsing and spewing the nastiest looking vomit ever. I had smoked about 1.5 grams that day. I just remember my vision looking like legos and then I woke up about 5 hrs later to a story I couldnt believe.

BE fucking careful.

That being said, start small and try to keep it small. Don't binge out on this stuff as tolerance tends to build WAY faster than regular weed.
Also don't expect to really enjoy weed for a few years if you delve to deep into this stuff. Once I kicked this shit and I was about 17 - 18, I could smoke WAY more than any of my friends mainly because the canabinoids I was used to were 10x to 100x stronger than the local dank we got back then.
Even now at 24, not touching noids in the better half of a decade, I still only really get STONED after a decent T-Break or when dabbing.

Chloral hydrate isn't really good as recreational. Its fame is being the world's first date rape drug as part of the Mickey Finn, and I'm sure you can find people in unscrupulous countries where it's still common who use it for such purposes today, or for the organ trade.

I mean, I'd just toss it unless I had someone I hated. From all the reports I've read coming down involves a killer fucking headache and it's bad for the liver too because it serves as a prodrug for a form of ethanol.

I have a good deal of experience with Chlorobutanol (essentially more potent hydrate). There is no real recreational value, it's almost like the tiredness you get when you're really sick. Just drained and hard to stay awake, not unpleasant, but not fun. I've heard it can be very physically addicting, but it is so boring I'd find it hard to do consistently. I guess if someone used it as a sleep aid regularly they could get into trouble.

One thing I have found it excellent for though is aborting trips or getting sleep after a rough experience. Only used it a few times for this purpose but was very glad I had it on hand (Fucking DOC is a demon drug).

I don't think it's going to help with the booze though, since it really is not 'fun' at all. I would recommend phenibut for taking an alcohol break. Legal, fairly safe, and really pleasant. Very similar feeling to alcohol (Both act on GABA receptors), but also pretty addictive in it's own way.

>>131077
Man, the Mickey Finn wiki had a few gems in the pop culture box.

>""In the 1976 Columbo episode 'A Matter Of Honor' (episode 35), Columbo says, on examining a drugs cabinet: "Chloral Hydrate? I'll tell you I don't know much about drugs but that's the stuff they put in a Mickey Finn. That's an American expression; Knockout drops." (end of the 56th minute)""

>""In an episode of I Love Lucy Fred recommends Ricky "slip [Lucy] a Mickey" as he does to Ethel when she's bothering him.""

>""In the seventh episode of the second season of Seinfeld, (The Revenge), George Costanza tries to 'slip a Mickey' in the drink of his former boss.""

I can almost guarantee that if video was as prevalent in the 60s and 70s as it is now, there's be a ton of Cosby videos where he talks about serving up Mickey Finns. I also noticed ethylene and antimony potassium tartrate as old school date rape/robbery drugs. To go even farther back, there's mention of "pre-war knockout drops" that the Mickey Finn was replacing in modern times. (Well, 1890s to 1910s)

The whole article is pretty neat and puts date rape drugs in human chronological perspective. The fact that there was also an underground antimony potassium tartrate manufacturer that sold bags of the stuff for 20 cents goes to show that there will always be a black market for any sort of drug. Way to find an old novel drug OP. 10/10 for making me feel like an archaeologist!

>>131137

>""In an episode of I Love Lucy Fred recommends Ricky "slip [Lucy] a Mickey" as he does to Ethel when she's bothering him.""
>just fucking sedate your wife when she's bothering you

Brilliant. I miss the 50s.

>>131136

I've wanted to order phenibut or F-phenibut before but forgot about it, thanks for the reminder.
Didn't get the chance to try the chloral yet because of alcohol, getting the shakes and really bad cravings in the morning now. I just mix ethanol with tap water to be able to use my pipette without fucking up.

is there any better or more proven combo than a smoke and a cup of coffee? or something that compares to it? i feel compelled to say "fuck these circlejerk stacks" and chalk it all up to some big ass marketing thing.

i tried l-theanine and caffeine as a newbie starter. theres no effect from it great enough for me to distinguish. and then i go and read about some redditor having a blast thru his own head as he accesses memories and i wonder, what the fuck am i missing out on? can i seriously buy any vaguely nootropic powder and dose that shit out and i'll finally see enlightenment?

>>130895
Theanine just helps lessen the side effects of caffeine- jitters, heart racing. It's not necessarily a "nootropic" thing but theanine is a great medicine for a number of ailments, side effects, withdrawals, etc.

>>130895

Not really a nootropic but a 200mg of phenylethylamine downed after you let a cup of strong coffee sit in your stomach for a bit while chain smoking gave me a very short (15-20 minute with the peak at about 10 minutes) MDA-like high. I've heard its pretty intense if you mix it with an actual MAOI but I'd rather just stick to MDMA.

I made an observation about phenibut in another thread. Seems to be very limited in its uses as a noot.
>>131023

>>131024
I found it improved my multitasking and speed when working in a kitchen. That was in combination with caffeine and obviously at higher doses you're too retarded to work properly.