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Harm Reduction Notes for the COVID-19 Pandemic

Weird anti-depressant side effects

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- Mon, 19 Aug 2019 14:12:14 EST WnoKTsVE No.132619
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So there was this girl at the psychiatry and she was given an anti-depressant she has never taken before (I forgot the name of drug, I know it wasn't). The thing is she started hallucinating like seeing things flow together and away. The effects only persisted for an evening. I'm really intriqued by this. Did this happen to anyone else? What anti-depressants have a larger chance of causing this?
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John Morringdag - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 03:56:23 EST UzDAggtB No.132688 Reply
wellbutrin made me feel weird and foggy the entire time i was on it. i would regularly do it for about 5 days and then stop for 2 days, because the 2 days i would stop taking it i would feel like i was fuckin zooming and super euphoric and happy. idk, i had a weird reaction to it
Lydia Blatherwell - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 06:36:09 EST qIrfrJZG No.132689 Reply
Yeah I've been on it plus Lamictal for BD after getting put on Lexapro brought out said BD and then I had a brief period of time where I could reliably abuse Sertraline to get manic if I took enough, which went about how you'd expect.

Wellbutrin was really great for me from the get go with motivation, appetite, and anhedonia and even the tougher symptoms like suicidal ideation but after a month or two I plateaued and they raised it from 150 to 300 and I started getting all these terrible side-effects. After doing any amount of physical effort at all I get beet red, feel like running a 105 degree fever, and start pouring sweat. When it happens I also get this really hard to describe sensation that I get on stimulants sometime if I take too much where I get really itchy and when I move my arms it gets worse and I feel pins and needles. I wonder what that is? Oh, also I haven't slept more than a few hours every other night for the past couple weeks now and it's really starting to take its toll. Took my last dose yesterday, going to call them when they open today.

They gave me Ambien but it did nothing to help me sleep and I got very trippy side-effects even on 20mg. I think this all points to me coming up on a manic episode but I'm just gonna be honest I'm not going on an antipsychotic and I'm not going on an SSRI/SNRI again. I don't know what my options would be at that point though.
Ebenezer Gazzlefield - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 14:06:54 EST UzDAggtB No.132694 Reply
Normally stimulants (wellbutrin is a substituted cathinone, making it one) cause vasoconstriction, but if you are turning beet red and feel like you're running a fever, chances are that's from vasodilation. The vasodilation, if in part it's caused at least in part by histamine release, can cause itching.

The pins and needles, if I had to guess, given the vasodilation and the fact this happens in your arms, is actually a result of your enlarged veins exerting more pressure on the carpal tunnel nerve that runs between the wrist bone(s) and maybe the median nerve that it connects to and runs up the length of the arm. These are sandwiched between veins and bones, making the carpal tunnel nerve in particular easy to pinch because of inflammation or and vasodilation. Pinched nerves, of course, cause a feeling of pins and needles.


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- Thu, 29 Aug 2019 00:13:00 EST G2VzOFbi No.132664
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Been prescribed zoloft 50mg and have never done any other drugs before except for ket a couple times.

Kinda scared tbh, what should I expect? I've had a bit of schizophrenia and hallucinations and paranoia a few years ago that was untreated but didn't think to mention it to the doctor. The doc said that my seratonin levels and dopamine levels are so ridiculously low from a decade of suicidal depression that the first couple weeks are going to be utter hell. What are the possible long term side effects and withdrawals like? I'm a bit of a pussy when it comes to physical pain and I'm afraid of being fucked up long term over this shit. The whole ordeal kinda weirded me out a bit since I was there all of 5 minutes and was given drugs without even really saying much other than some general anxiety and long term depression.

The doc guy kept saying how rough the first few weeks were going to be but to power through unless I'm about to kill myself. ngl, kinda freaked out a bit at all of it.

Don't even know if this is the right board or not. Thought about posting it on /benz//spoiler]
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Caroline Hegglestit - Thu, 29 Aug 2019 03:07:16 EST qIrfrJZG No.132670 Reply
Well like I mean sertraline fucking sucks in general for me, but apparently it must work for people otherwise they wouldn't still prescribe it. IDK why they don't at least give you Lexapro or a newer SSRI with fewer side-effects

It makes no fucking sense to me at all that sertraline is still used, it's ridiculous to me
Ernest Dazzlewere - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 02:42:31 EST G2VzOFbi No.132692 Reply
Week in, me bird don't rise and shine no more and it's making me sleep like 30 minutes then wake up, then sleep 30 minutes and wake up over and over. Aside from that no effects whatsoever.
Ebenezer Gazzlefield - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 13:57:36 EST UzDAggtB No.132693 Reply
I'm not opposed to using SSRIs and SNRIs, they do at the very least seem to help treat Generalized Anxiety Disorder and are potentially capable of helping some people at least get suicidal depression under control, giving them a chance to work on improve things in their life, attitudes, and outlooks, but they do virtually nothing in the way of actually treating depression outright.

Side-effects are typically limited to having trouble concentrating at first, yawning a lot (and it feels weird to yawn), paradoxically having trouble sleeping sometimes, having trouble waking up after getting to sleep, have sexual dysfunction. Withdrawal can make getting off of them a bit of a challenge because it starts to cause rebound depression, anhedonia, bouts of vertigo, brain zaps, etc.

Really, I wouldn't start taking them unless it's as a last resort or unless you have a significant anxiety problem coupled with your depression. Clinical depression is hypothesized to be the result of an imbalance of key neurotransmitters (what your doctor was referring to by saying you have low dopamine and serotonin levels), but there is virtually no evidence suggesting this to actually be the case and there's actually quite a bit that suggests the hypothesis is without basis and possibly totally bunk. It's what's taught, so it's understandable your doctor mentioned it to you, but I'm a bit irked at them specifically telling you that you have low dopamine and serotonin levels. The only way to test for that is to check your piss for levels of certain metabolites that indicate a possible lower or higher level of dopamine and serotonin. It's not actually a given/a fact that you have lower serotonin and dopamine levels--the doctor is literally talking out of their ass when they say that.

That said, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy will likely have better results for you, even if in combination with an SSRI, at treating your depression than the SSRI will. The SSRI just seems unnecessary unless you've got your back to the wall and need to just try anything as a last resort. Most studies on clinical depression now suggest a causal link to elevated stress levels and the patient's brain's poor ability to cope with stress in relation to depression. Substances that improve the brain's ability to deal with stress (both physical and mental) seem to have higher success treating depression, even ones that act, in contrast to the chemical imbalance hypothesis (and that it's low serotonin in particular), as Selective Serotonin Reuptake Enhancers rather than inhibitors, reducing levels of brain serotonin. Developing mental resiliency, developing stress coping techniques and skills, and being prescribed medications that improve the brain's ability to mitigate stress and anxiety seem to have a much greater chance of success than simply prescribing and SSRI because that's the only real treatment we have at the moment.

You see, the reasoning behind the chemical imbalance hypothesis is totally fallacious. You can look it up on google if you want, but it's hunches and assumptions based on more hunches and assumptions. Improvement or deterioration in mental state was observed under certain circumstances and it was just assumed that it was for greater levels of serotonin and norepinephrine (dopamine too, but less so) or lower levels respectively, but it was never investigated further. There were no further experiments with controls designed to actually determine what was actually leading to the improvements or deteriorations, they just ran with something and pharmaceutical companies wound up making enough profit from it that it's gotten a good foothold on the market and consensus in the medical community.

Kava Kava Reduction?

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- Thu, 22 Aug 2019 09:14:16 EST DR3JYvdv No.132629
File: 1566479656359.jpg -(54013B / 52.75KB, 400x403) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Kava Kava Reduction?
Alright, so, I've been drinking Kava off and on for a while now and I'm still not the biggest fan of the taste. Currently my work around has been rather than making a drink with it just slam the cup like a shot.

This leads me to the the title in question: do you think you could reduce your Kava tea over a stove top to create some sort of concentrate?

I was doing some reading regarding cooking with Kava and found that the lactones start to die off at around 140 degrees F. Low and slow reduction maybe? Anybody mess around with this before? Kava drink recipes welcome as well!
Barnaby Dillywet - Tue, 03 Sep 2019 01:47:02 EST vt4QPiI4 No.132691 Reply
in Fiji they eat sweets after they drink it

Pain relief substances

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- Wed, 07 Aug 2019 21:24:48 EST 39+if3d5 No.132567
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So far kratom works great for pain relief, what more natural substances are good for pain? Kratom does other things more than pain relief and supresses some things ,... is there any other miracle drug out there like this
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John Morringdag - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 03:53:32 EST UzDAggtB No.132686 Reply
recreational doses of tianeptine. tianeptine sodium if you want a more hardcore hour and a half long opi high, or tianeptine acid or tianeptine sulfate for a somewhat less intense 2 and a half hour opi buzz. great to supplement with kratom.
John Morringdag - Mon, 02 Sep 2019 03:54:06 EST UzDAggtB No.132687 Reply
also combine this with a decent dose of phenibut and you'll be totally legally faded as fuck

Axe Chill Body Spray

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- Wed, 28 Aug 2019 20:56:09 EST v6hsejpE No.132659
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So I've been seeing ads for this stuff lately, claiming it lowers your body temperature when you apply it, turns out it's because it's mostly denatured alcohol and the alcohol evaporation is what does the cooling

I know you can already huff axe, and you can already get drunk off alcohol in stuff like hand sanitizers, but have they really combined these two great highs so they can get you high together? Can you drink this shit?
If you huff it, would it be any different from normal axe?
Angus Bledgechetch - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 17:39:55 EST eXEuLGR4 No.132683 Reply
Why not just drink cheap vodka and huff butane? Not that butane isn't extremely unhealthy, but you might as well huff additive free butane rather than huffing the butane + denatured alcohol + other shit from that deodorant

CBD crystals

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- Fri, 16 Aug 2019 01:26:09 EST GtgQLuIr No.132604
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experiences with this? how are the "effects" compared to cbd oil? is it effective if you just swallow it also
Ian Ciddlesane - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:15:56 EST dOI6WXu1 No.132605 Reply
From what I hear it just makes you a little sleepy. Not even in a knockout way, but it is good for its uses
Jack Feffingstone - Tue, 27 Aug 2019 12:59:13 EST NjBK1E9R No.132654 Reply
It's just the refined CBD that the wholesalers dilute into oil and then markup to absurd heights. 1/2 gram cbd + oil = $400 worth of product for about $25 (including cost of oil, labeling, bottles, and cbd.) for the retailers.


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- Mon, 20 May 2019 23:59:49 EST 3mgJ7ePw No.132263
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Wondering who else is taking Phenibut here. Just started on 250-500mg and noticing some sedating and relaxing effects. Wondering what therapeutic effects might be possible past the 250-500mg dosage range.
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Emma Blonkinnitch - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:52:49 EST FRl0pfhw No.132610 Reply
literally came to this board to ask about phenibut
stuff is great, it makes me love being alive, more confident, more motivation, zero anxiety, better sleep, etc etc etc
however i was wondering if anyone has a relatively tried&true method of dosing. i was taking 2000-3000mg every other day but tolerance builds up fast and coming off it is painful. is it better to take it a few days in a row then take a while off, or to just dose once or twice a week?
Fanny Cabberdock - Thu, 22 Aug 2019 00:47:24 EST bKrF08Uj No.132628 Reply
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anyone here dose f-phenibut? it's good shit that kicks in fast, and is awesome for social stuff, but i often get aching joints, or random other pains. what gives?

can't do it any more than twice a week max though, but with phenibut i guess that's to be expected. i learned the hard way because i thought cycling my downers would prevent addiction to any one thing (wrong, you get addicted to all of them).

i still take it every once in a while, but only once a month, if that.
James Hemmlemeg - Fri, 23 Aug 2019 01:05:37 EST yfecLod+ No.132632 Reply
For expanding your social circle/working on treating anxiety, use it at low doses continually for a single month while undergoing cognitive behavioral therapy and then immediately discontinue using it. This is how the drug is used in the former USSR where it is prescribed for anxiety. Tolerance takes some time to dissipate. Since you already have something of a tolerance and usage pattern, if you wanted to do this you would probably need to take a few weeks/months off.
For recreational use, take your dose once a week MAX, but it's much better if you wait 2 weeks+. Treat it sort of like you might treat ecstasy (the after effects can sometimes be like the Tuesday blues,) except know that you're not waiting for a biochemical to build up in your system but instead you're waiting to prevent yourself from becoming addicted.


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- Sat, 17 Aug 2019 15:18:50 EST qIrfrJZG No.132608
File: 1566069530436.jpg -(72686B / 70.98KB, 335x335) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. WHAT ARE THOOOSE
the rc site i use, in addition to having dozens and dozens of popular NPS's, also has some interesting ones, I'm trying to find out what the fuck some of these are that google turns up nothing for

>ethyl 3-[[(4-chlorophenyl)methyl-[(5-nitrothiophen-2-yl)methyl]amino]methyl]pyrrolidine-1-carboxylate
>(17a,20E)-17,20-[(1-Methoxyethylidene)bis(oxy)]-3-oxo-19-norpregna- 4,20-diene-21-carboxylic Acid Methyl Ester
Hedda Blerryshaw - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 07:00:08 EST Nzxu2iUg No.132609 Reply
  1. 3,4-Ethyl,Chloro-PNP (similar too α-PVT/α-PVP etc. line of chemicals.)
  2. Cocaine analogue (Similar too RTI-177 & HPBE (hydroxypropylbenzoylecgonine)
  3. Likely a decent too very potent opioid. Seems to based on Thebaine.
  4. Integrated Stress Response Inhibitor - A Nootropic it seems.

Please take this with a huge grain of salt. This was basically a jigsaw puzzle with my limited chemistry knowledge.


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- Wed, 03 Apr 2019 23:14:28 EST AwQXoj6O No.132177
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I recently got a lot of ambien from a Dr. I trying to figure out what the right dose is for me to trip. I am currently on 20mg. I feel very inebriated, not much trippy effects though. Words seem to come off the screen as a type them but that's about it.

Any advice with this drug? Past experiences?
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Emma Brundlespear - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:37:25 EST b4w/3EI+ No.132592 Reply
I was on that shit for ten years. More ambien won't give you more effects, it will just knock you out and make you lose your memory. You have to potentiate it.
Clara Bingerwater - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:21:13 EST Q5+MfNZE No.132597 Reply
Yeah, Zopiclone is one of the very few "recreational" drugs that my doc is happy to prescribe. He claims it is his "favourite sleeping pill" also while ignoring the fact that it gets you high as fuck.
It's been a while since I've been on it, and also I've never done Ambien so I can't really compare.
What I'm trying to say is that it should be easy enough to get a script for it, if you're interested, the doc refuses to prescribe benzos due to the nasty addiction and side effects they cause, which Zopiclone apparently lacks.
Augustus Brezzlewill - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 05:57:27 EST OYMYMhXy No.132599 Reply
Try mirtazapine. Is good for racing thoughts and will usually be sleeping in ten minutes. As a benefit it is an anti-depressant, that is kinder than z-drugs.
Which sleep can be simply 8 hours like clockwork. Of if needed 5 hours of sleep and have to wake up, you are usually able to wake up and drowsyness may be gone in 20 minutes with a lot of energy at that.

Psoriasis is pretty bad

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- Sun, 28 Jul 2019 04:06:57 EST 6j5w3stg No.132527
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I was on a regime of Clobetasol Shampoo day one. Ketoconazole shampoo day two. Selenium Sulfide day three. And repeat. Due to how my dandruff is psoriasis and stress related. I had to begin adding a warm bath with diluted vinegar on the fourth day with just a simple wash (I used to do a cap of bleach diluted in the warm water, but I began to get irritation from it since it was too strong). I added Sacylic Acid shampoo to the mix. So I have an extra day to not agitate my more delicate than fine china skin with the vinegar water since I began to suffer some rashes akin bleach baths. My insurance also began to be fickle refusing to pay for my clobetasol shampoo. Anyone know an alternative I could bring up with my health care provider or maybe a place I can find it for cheap without the prescription since I look like a post apolayptic lizard man if I even break my regime once. Pic not related, I just really like Scathach from FGO.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Emma Brundlespear - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:38:06 EST b4w/3EI+ No.132593 Reply
Try reducing stress.


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- Fri, 25 May 2018 09:34:52 EST cD/wLyAg No.131340
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What is a good, healthy alternative to Benzos? I need something against anxiety.
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CrazyFolksTribe !owU3wSU682 - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 20:07:57 EST UXcGUJYj No.132577 Reply
Valerian root is the only one I've found that actually works and doesn't feel unhealthy or addictive.
Cedric Bammlebeck - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:01:22 EST qIrfrJZG No.132579 Reply
Valerian root is probably the single best thing I've found that you can buy almost anywhere in a pinch if you have literally nothing else for a comedown and you don't want to drink for whatever reason. Antihistamines suck for this and usually just make things worse.
Thomas Buckleridge - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:30:09 EST R8Aznk4+ No.132590 Reply
Seconding this, mulungu is wonderful and doesn't seem addictive at all ime. Gets active around 1-2 grams


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- Wed, 20 Feb 2019 20:56:33 EST DKd1uvgz No.132093
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Seeing as we've been rolled back to December, we may as well start new discussions again. So cacao. Discuss.
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Phineas Faffingfield - Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:31:21 EST FBK+VtEx No.132536 Reply
Also, with cacao nibs you don't get the sugar and sugar blunts most of the potential heath benefits. Dark chocolate is borderline scammy in that way, pushed as a health food when it's loaded with refined sugar even in the high cacao %s.
Jarvis Mommersone - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:41:47 EST JdIZIlZN No.132582 Reply
Lindt 90% has 14g carbs, I looked at two cacao nibs products where one had 9g carbs and the other had 58g, very strange, I can't account for the difference. And I just checked two more, 30g and 1g. Very weird. I'm doing keto though personally, I don't think the 14g carbs from the Lindt would make much of a difference to anything.

Serious thread

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- Mon, 05 Aug 2019 19:48:02 EST k5R9wsjY No.132559
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Nothing and no-one can stop me from killing myself, I'm going to do it. What I need help with is what I can do to kill myself in my house but not spend money on anything.
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Arron Jolly - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 10:12:29 EST wD5pWP52 No.132562 Reply
Either do or don't op this board is to discuss drugs that don't fit into any other category not a platform for your cries for help.
Edward Turveycocke - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 10:23:40 EST UhfLhRYL No.132563 Reply
Do not be an idiot OP. Drugs and other things can not help you make you feel better. Only when you accept what is in front of you, your past and what has happened can you face the future and move forward.
Son House - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 19:07:42 EST XvAVxf3D No.132566 Reply
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Can I explain something to you
If you are deemed a threat to your self or others
Under the law you can and will be placed on involuntary
stay at a MENTAL INSTITUTION. They will jam you up
in a torture chamber for WEEKS ON END

Dr Nutt's "Alcosynth"

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- Mon, 05 Aug 2019 10:42:38 EST wD5pWP52 No.132557
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Ok i was not sure whether to post this on hooch or other but for a while i have been thinking about how awesome it would be if this "hang over free" alternative to alcohol will actually ever be available to buy,

I feel like Dr David Nutt is trolling us someway but i'm kinda sold to his promising invention. what do you guys think, could he pull this off and become rich as fuck
Cedric Clottingham - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 13:57:21 EST Nw0/vlhI No.132565 Reply
Based on a cursory google search. Also, Dr. Nutt is describing a GABAergic drug that is potent at lower doses than alcohol which doesn't cause hangovers. If I didn't know better, I would think he was describing GBH. It sounds potentially legit though, nothing that he claimed seems out of proportion to what other GABAergic drugs can do.
>no hangovers
>fewer calories
>possibly less organ damage
>plateau'ing effects leading to greater safety margin
>unclear as to how close the feeling will be to alcohol
>unsure as to whether it can still produce memory lapses
>still a GABAergic drug and WILL cause problems during withdrawal
>easier to take too much of unless all doses come pre-measured
>potential interactions with other CNS depressants will make it easy for media to vilify it after some high profile polydrug use deaths
>might get lambasted in media as rape drug, or worse, actually used as one because of high potency relative to mass unless it has a very distinctive taste
>not enough research to demonstrate long-term effects on the body yet

I wish him the best but it looks like this stuff has a pretty steep hill to climb.

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