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- Fri, 25 May 2018 09:34:52 EST cD/wLyAg No.131340
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What is a good, healthy alternative to Benzos? I need something against anxiety.
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James Sabberkadging - Fri, 25 May 2018 10:01:06 EST F0n3Ihbz No.131341 Reply
gabapentin has worked tremendously for my anxiety, it's similar to pregabalin or phenibut but it's less addictive and less bad withdrawals. youll only really need to take 300-600mg and youre set
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Martin Chonkinlere - Sun, 27 May 2018 02:30:39 EST kjwa3j85 No.131348 Reply
>>131341
seconding gabapentin. your tolerance will go through the roof really fuckin quick though
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Fucking Pellyhood - Sun, 27 May 2018 08:37:20 EST F0n3Ihbz No.131351 Reply
>>131349
if you go the antihistamine route hydroxyzine is probably better it'll give you less alzheimers
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ShamanMD - Sun, 27 May 2018 15:10:31 EST bTYqIQuy No.131353 Reply
>>131340
Natural anxiolytics include rosmarinic acid (from lemon balm), baicalin, wogonin and baicalein (from skullcaps) and kava kava with its kavalactones. You can find them online, either pure or as extracts from the plants and they're quite efficient at stopping anxiety. They're no fun at all compared to benzos, you can't get high on them, not even on Kava Kava, no matter what some say and no matter how much you take (especially if you have a tolerance to benzos) but they're also Not addictive. I personally really like 'em, I have anxiety and they make feel much better in any context.
There's also passion flower which contain MAOI betacarbolines that do wonders for me personally even though ironically enough they are antagonists at GABA receptors. I don't take passion flower often though because, while it works during the day, it won't let me sleep at night.
Other natural substances with anxiolytic properties are L-theanine and 5-HTP.
Have fun trying any of these or a combination of them and see what works best for you.
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Emma Bimblestire - Mon, 28 May 2018 14:28:09 EST wlHokRrb No.131362 Reply
>>131341
Great if you can get ahold of it.
>>131348
Holy fucking shit seconding this. You'll go from being off your ass from 600-900 to plowing down 4k in like a week just to get somewhere.
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Matilda Worthinglock - Thu, 31 May 2018 11:52:28 EST ZKcu5nWa No.131370 Reply
Thanks for the recommendations so far.
I even found some Gabapentin at home. I will give it a try soon.

>>131353
Do you also have experience with CBD oil?
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Henry Gemmleforth - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 02:19:52 EST TgYrC4Fg No.131372 Reply
>>131370
I was at a festival this last weekend and they had a 13 year professional masseuse doing CBD massages
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Betsy Hablingfuck - Sat, 02 Jun 2018 03:03:10 EST Fjmr4iH6 No.131374 Reply
I ordered these 3 myself. Apparently, they are great at reversing damage done to the GABA receptors.

Taurine
Fasoracetam
Beta-Alanine
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Walter Sallerpock - Sat, 02 Jun 2018 20:54:31 EST Xq6cows/ No.131378 Reply
>>131370
I've tried CBD oil. It is effective for anxiety but it doesn't last long, meaning you can't use it for many days in a row before it stops doing what it does. CBD is the one that made be myself the most in a social context when I initially used it. I can't tell you which is more efficient, it's up to you to try and see what works best for you. You can also alternate them, use one thing on monday, another thing on tuesday and so on.
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Fucking Cevingstot - Sun, 03 Jun 2018 19:43:10 EST ogGxK1cD No.131384 Reply
Cannabis, psychedelics, low doses of MDMA (very low, when you need them), arguably the gabapentinoids gabapentin and pregabalin when you need them, SSRIs, beta-blockers, and antipsychotics could also help.

I suggest you talk to your doctor, they could prescribe a multitude of substances that don't have the addictive potential and/or such a severe withdrawal syndrome. Even still, if medically supervised I image even tapering off benzodiazepines could be managed with little discomfort.
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Ernest Cludgewill - Sat, 09 Jun 2018 00:44:21 EST /cOolO7d No.131408 Reply
Kava
Blue or pink lotus tea
Valerian root
All contain gabanergic alkaloids
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Priscilla Snodshit - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 04:15:57 EST sebWXH0l No.131429 Reply
>>131384
All horrific choices for anxiety, wew lad. Are you trying to make it worse for OP?
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Ebenezer Croblingstidge - Thu, 21 Jun 2018 01:17:50 EST MdwRl4Ae No.131454 Reply
>>131429
>>131453
OP could also take a dose of psychotherapy

I'm talking microdoses,
And yes,
These substances can help with anxiety,
Used in the right way.

I have heard of patients prescribed antipsychotics for anxiety.

Go outside. Read a book. There's a whole world out there.
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Charlotte Pickway - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 18:14:55 EST Cv4iEdzf No.131458 Reply
>>131454
fuckin around low doses of MDMA is just as bad as medicating yourself on your own with SSRIs
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Caroline Findermat - Sat, 23 Jun 2018 19:03:18 EST ezjO+nbk No.131459 Reply
Weed and gabapentin are the only other things that help my anxiety. Some people get heightened anxiety off weed, but even a strong sativa is better for calming me down from a panic attack than benzos. Gabapentin is great, but like others said, it loses its effectiveness very quickly. Opiates help too, but getting addicted to opiates is a horrible fucking idea for any reason except chronic pain. CBD is pretty much just a meme. It sort of helps, but it's so mild that if you're getting substantial relief from it you probably don't need drugs to keep it in check
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Samuel Drurringville - Sun, 24 Jun 2018 12:16:46 EST sebWXH0l No.131462 Reply
>>131454
>microdose meme!
Absolutely 100% unsubstantiated by any research. You are relying on case reports from Twitter and Redshit users.
>I have heard of patients prescribed antipsychotics for anxiety.
I've heard of patients being prescribed antibiotics for anxiety too, that doesn't make it a good idea. Just because a doctor signed a note doesn't mean it's the right prescription choice. Antipsychotics are meant for the psychotic. Don't fuck with dopamine unless you enjoy the side effects of fucking with dopamine, that is to say, Parkinsonism.
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Fucking Tillingridge - Thu, 28 Jun 2018 03:34:23 EST p5UbAL7i No.131472 Reply
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>>131378
I decided to start mixing cbd weed into my weed I pack for work. My anxiety is getting too much, I start work again Saturday.. we will see how it goes
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Betsy Cozzlebury - Fri, 29 Jun 2018 02:37:48 EST H/K6LCQk No.131473 Reply
>>131340
>I need a healthy alternative to anxiety.
moving of the body in ways that please you.
Or exercise.
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Archie Sushstene - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 19:37:23 EST Fa+Ff5fp No.131486 Reply
>>131472
Youre gonna want as little THC as possible, preferably none

also, if you smoke your weed, try vaping it instead. 100% of the time, vaping gives me less anxiety, maybe because of the diminished symptoms on the throat and lungs and the fact the smell dissipates quicker

Remember though, there's no proper substitute for practicing mindfulness, only worrying about what is directly in front of you and one thing at a time, and proper breathing techniques.

I've also used DPH for anxiety and while it works decent, it's probably too toxic to be worthwhile and can make you drowsy and long term DPH use ruins a man

Check out your local pharmacy as well, I've found benzedrex inhalers (used normally, not eaten) are soothing and relaxing, and in the past when I took less drugs with potential interactions, St John's wort , OR 5HTP ( don't take both) are decent anxiolytic antidepressants for some people.

Above all, make sure you are getting enough sleep, more importantly keep your sleep schedule consistent, staying hydrated, eating enough, do some light excercise twice a week.

Don't ever do benzos, especially not recreationally. If you've used them in the past stay strong and away from them. They're too strong and don't allow you to correct what's causing your anxiety. They should really only be used in panic attack situations, such as for a phobia of flight if you need to fly
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Archie Sushstene - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 19:40:03 EST Fa+Ff5fp No.131487 Reply
Just want to add that CBD does work very well for anxiety but "CBD products" in the US at least are unregulated and probably 99% bunk quality.

I've always wondered, if you do have a strain with high CBD content and low THC content, what edibles with that strain would be like. Itd be like a super concentrated anxiolytic that lasts longer than smoking. Might be worth looking into if you have a source for such a strain
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Ernest Blevingbedge - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:05:56 EST d0nKgrG2 No.131549 Reply
>>131548
Like most pharmacologically active plants, st johns wort does a lot of things synergistically. This means the potential for aid is increased, since the chances you'll hit something wrong with you are too, but also the side effect profile.
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Polly Handerwill - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:41:56 EST oEuvVMCt No.131550 Reply
Look into Lions mane. It permanently reduces anxiety and hones your focus. I've heard a bit that it may reduce libido, I only used it for two weeks and I didn't notice it doing that. The Lions mane from nootropric Depot is good stuff
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Charles Favingbanks - Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:36:20 EST NOGDG9CA No.131560 Reply
>>131351
This. Too much DPH can mess up your brain.

I believe that this is caused by the antichloronigic effects of DPH. It functions as an 'anti-nootropic' drug of sorts because it is an acetylcholine receptor antagonist.
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Alice Pedgeridge - Thu, 09 Aug 2018 02:17:25 EST pkBts8lV No.131669 Reply
>>131560
I've personally found a little success with treating my DPH-induced mental deficiencies with piracetam and choline. I haven't found that Lion's Mane did anything other than make my scalp tingle.
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Hannah Soffingwill - Thu, 09 Aug 2018 10:54:40 EST u5RahwyF No.131670 Reply
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Buspirone works fantastically for my GAD. It could work for you, or it might do nothing.
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Hannah Heggleshaw - Wed, 15 Aug 2018 00:30:01 EST oXzWrX9x No.131681 Reply
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honestly I've tried a lot of things but after like 30 years of trying out different shit I'm pretty sure the best thing is good old fashioned psychiatrist-prescribed SNRIs. or SSRIs, whichever either one works. try effexor.
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Walter Hopperham - Thu, 16 Aug 2018 22:34:40 EST rqo5+LCv No.131700 Reply
>>131681
Effexor was nice, but I couldn't feel my cock after a week of taking it, and I couldn't orgasm.
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Sidney Dartville - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 08:04:00 EST Iu+LVeUi No.131713 Reply
>>131340
The only thing that comes close won't even work until you get past wds. But if you're willing to try, then mix exercise with healthy diet, hobbies, close friends, plenty of cash, and some heroin
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Cornelius Ponderfuck - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 06:09:15 EST C8DDHneC No.131726 Reply
>>131340

Fasoracetam, or CBD oil,. Maybe Shrooms/LSD microdose. GHB/GBL (tolerance tho). Theanine (lol).
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Eugene Cushson - Tue, 28 Aug 2018 13:41:19 EST F0nOePe9 No.131766 Reply
>>131670
I've been considering a script. Can you tell more?

>>131349
>>131351
How would you rank these?
>Cetirizine
>Levocabastine
>Ebastine
They're all mentioned to be low potential drowzee. Should I try all at once? The levocabastine comes in nasal drops 😌
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Thomas Tillingville - Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:19:57 EST F0nOePe9 No.131767 Reply
>>131766
Ok trying levocabastine nasal spray.

This is actually awesome, boosts my benzo, tickles my nose, oxy doesn't even compare dayummm

inb4 I get /del/ and restless legs like I did when abusing cyclizine
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Thomas Tillingville - Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:34:08 EST F0nOePe9 No.131768 Reply
>>131767
RASH RULES EVERYTHING AROUND ME
GETTIN DROWSY
BENA BENA DRYL YAAALLL
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Beatrice Pitthood - Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:30:25 EST cah0O6wm No.131769 Reply
>>131726
This.

Emoxypine, Tianeptine or red vein kratom (when used responsibly), phenibut or f-phenibut also show potential health benefits while also being anxiolytic. More studies need to be done on some of these though.
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Polly Drablingwitch - Tue, 11 Sep 2018 15:13:09 EST rqo5+LCv No.131788 Reply
Question for people who've tried both Wellbutrin and Gabapentin or Buspirone. Were Gabapentin and Buspirone better than Wellbutrin, or what?
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Polly Drablingwitch - Tue, 11 Sep 2018 15:17:26 EST rqo5+LCv No.131789 Reply
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>>131700
I was just gonna reply with "are you me?" and then I realized that this comment was made by me. I'm losing it.
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Cedric Sucklenudge - Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:15:44 EST KwLO74Zn No.131790 Reply
Tyrosin and 5-HTP
These two amino acids are basically dopamine and serotonin supplements that you can buy from any health store.
Been taking them for about a week now and there is a noticeable difference in how I experience anxiety and how I can manage my emotions and thoughts in general.
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Eugene Munkinman - Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:34:03 EST 26I97TZE No.131791 Reply
>>131788
A few years ago I got wellbutrin to help me quit smoking. I've had depression and anxiety for years but the first antidepressant I tried was the wellbutrin for the smoking. It made me feel like my brain was trying to be depressed but it just couldn't. It was slightly frustrating. That's all I got.
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Ebenezer Chacklehood - Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:28:29 EST zLLvvaE8 No.131795 Reply
>>131788
ime,

buspirone: nothing. took like 4 of them once - felt really weird
gabapentin: good stuff. blocks ltp though, right? fun, but you know. tolerance.
welbutrin: can be IV'd for a nice rush. also helps to quit smoking.

sorry what was the original question?
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John Brodgenatch - Sat, 15 Sep 2018 02:57:19 EST ehez/kVm No.131796 Reply
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>>131340
Anxiety. Anxiety is good.

Let's you know you're still fucking up in life as planned and you just need to formulate a plan for your future self so you can be calmed in the present.
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Betsy Dugglestare - Wed, 19 Sep 2018 23:34:21 EST +YalczZS No.131806 Reply
>>131341
Does gabapentin work instantly or do you have to wait for it to build up? Just got prescribed today and I'm supposed to start tapering up to 1800mg a day starting tomorrow.
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Angus Fublingbury - Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:07:10 EST N9tdpjBZ No.131813 Reply
>>131806
it works pretty instantly. take it with some fatty food to increase absorption. its weird in the sense that it's bioavailability decreases the more you take, so if you really wanna get wavy off it you gotta stagger the doses. but honestly just take it as prescribed and it'll be enough to do quite a fucking lot for your anxiety
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Doris Nanningneg - Fri, 28 Sep 2018 19:53:44 EST VbImtdJo No.131836 Reply
>>131340
If you can get it prescribed to you try propranolol. It doesn't do jack for the mental part of anxiety but it helps with the physical part.
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Phoebe Feckleridge - Sat, 29 Sep 2018 12:16:20 EST iOyrILoY No.131837 Reply
>>131560
This is true, DPH is the only drug I have ever used that made my brain feel "fried" for a long while afterwards.

>>131669
The DPH brain fog had been clearing up, but still I got some piracetam, and have been taking it occasionally. I feel fine now thankfully.
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Nicholas Cammerridge - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 01:02:15 EST 7TBO9xpz No.131914 Reply
Mindfullness meditation practice, unironically
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Emma Winkinsatch - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 13:00:57 EST 24u+2S9D No.131916 Reply
>>131806
1800mg sounds alot tbh. Isn't 1800mg of gabapentin equivalent to like 600mg of pregabalin? I can't imagine taking more than 150mg of pregabalin daily. Even that much is barely a "healthy alternative to benzos".

Maybe it's fine if you don't take any other GABAnergics like alcohol. But consider >>131796 . Anxiety is a healthy response to crap as long as it's not interfering with your social life. You want to keep any medical tricks as effective as possible when you need them.
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Sooup 3 - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 22:02:28 EST w0fkdWLG No.131924 Reply
Jogging and blowing drag queens, it works every time. Just go to the gym.
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Jenny Bittinghall - Fri, 24 May 2019 06:31:35 EST s4NdK0xi No.132275 Reply
>>131340
>gabapentin
>kava
>ssris

people forget there's drugs outside the U.S, order some try them out, some are dirt cheap, gabaergic, and non habit-forming.

etifoxine (not that strong but it takes the edge off)
picamilon (non addictive, weaker phenibut)
pactogen (less addictive gabapentin/phenibut)
valerian root
chamomile tea
lemon balm

supplement magnesium, not the oxide trash, do a 3-week course of mexidol.

consider those last two things first, your anxiety will get better, OP.

start exposing yourself to triggers, caffeine even, racetams, good exercise.
quit worrying about whatever guilt or cringe that haunts your thoughts, you'll learn from your mistakes and eventually grow a harder shell.

embrace it, anxiety is part of growth.
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Jarvis Smallbury - Fri, 24 May 2019 08:54:53 EST a+vm9yPj No.132277 Reply
>>131374
Fasoracetam was really hit or miss for me. On the days where it worked, it was fucking fantastic. On the days where it didn't, I felt even more anxious while simultaneously having some mild intoxication where I was constantly bumping into stuff. That might be a dosing issue, (oral vs. intranasal through a spray bottle,) though. It seems to work pretty well for controlling phenibut tolerance.

Also, I completely agree with >>131713.
I went from panic attacks so bad that I couldn't go outside to occasionally being mildly anxious in a very roundabout way because of that. I lucked out though and wouldn't recommend it. It's more a function of the lifestyle than the substance itself.
Along the same note near death experiences can be great for that too.
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A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Mon, 27 May 2019 11:38:11 EST ZN11u+84 No.132285 Reply
>>132277
Yeah, faso can be like the comeup on lsd if you have too much or the setting is weird. It's good if you're in a situation with one objective and few distractions and you need to focus. It's honestly the last racetam I would suggest for anxiety. It has a better track record for adhd. Aniracetam does a better job for anxiety issues, but it also runs into tolerance problems. PRL-8-53 is good for WOMEN with anxiety in an as-needed basis.
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Martha Dettingstock - Mon, 27 May 2019 18:20:52 EST Tjo04Rj8 No.132286 Reply
>>132285
I would definitely agree with that on aniracetam for anxiety although I wish the duration was longer and that it was water soluble.
I've never heard of PRL-8-53 and it'd be useless for me in that regard but goddamn if that isn't fascinating. Do you have any sources where I could read more about it?
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A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Thu, 30 May 2019 12:13:59 EST ZN11u+84 No.132300 Reply
>>132286
>aniracetam
Ha, those are my same complaints. I also have a general distrust of the fat soluble racetams vs the water soluble ones. They just don't feel like they're processed out right. I suspect there's some sort of metabolite that builds up in the body if you use them regularly.
>prl
It's a really odd one. I'll ask my wife if she remembers the sources, it's ben too long sice I went digging into it. Though, on an unrelated note, I think it might be useful in MDMA therapy sessions. It would knock out some of the weirder emotional reactions. I also think humans involved it to give women a mental edge when trying to take care of a baby, as it has both anti anxiety and nootropic/focus enhancing effects, though it's associated with the lactation pr esses.
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Jenny Badgewater - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 10:23:15 EST HtmGM/Wl No.132318 Reply
>>131340
Try kava. I'm still skeptical about it being completely safe and healthy, especially if you take other drugs, but it does help with anxiety and it's sure as fuck healthier and more sustainable long-term than benzos lol. Maybe be cautious if you have a history with drugs that act on your serotonin receptors and make sue you replenish vitamins and minerals in your diet
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Molly Sullerstadge - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 15:04:27 EST LD2bnOSz No.132366 Reply
Gabapentin or pregabalin are my choices. I use pregabalin to get high though so I have to set some aside for anxiety uses.
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Doris Deblingwill - Thu, 25 Jul 2019 03:33:46 EST JdIZIlZN No.132517 Reply
There used to be a really interesting, amazing really thread on Longecity entitled something like "TREATING ANXIETY SAFELY AND EFFECTIVELY". It looks like you need to login and/or pay for registration now to see it. One of the key points was generally speaking never to use anything that downregulates gaba receptors. I thought it was pretty convincing.
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Ian Brungerwot - Fri, 26 Jul 2019 21:10:01 EST ESclbhMk No.132523 Reply
>>131340
phenibut, unregulated, easily acquired, and is an anxiolytic class of drugs with a specific focus for anxiety reduction. Higher doses feel quite nice too.
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Caroline Subberfield - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 21:44:59 EST UmWIzJTp No.132550 Reply
>>132523
Is it healthier though? Phenibut withdrawals are pretty hellish.
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Charles Hettingdone - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 01:19:59 EST +nilZdEC No.132569 Reply
>>131340
I used to drink chamomile tea by the litres when I was younger.
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Hitler - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 16:53:33 EST 39+if3d5 No.132571 Reply
L-THEANIN or Ashwaganda. both legal supplements that act on GABA receptors, very effective in killing anxiety n causing relaxation. probably can get "high" with very high doses
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Sophie Crammlefield - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 02:42:49 EST Jd8oW93w No.132575 Reply
>>132571
What dose do you take for ashwagandha for anxiety? I've used some before but it never seems to make me less anxious, just way more horny. On the bright side, I've found some use for it as a boner pill.
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CrazyFolksTribe !owU3wSU682 - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 20:07:57 EST UXcGUJYj No.132577 Reply
Valerian root is the only one I've found that actually works and doesn't feel unhealthy or addictive.
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Cedric Bammlebeck - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 22:01:22 EST qIrfrJZG No.132579 Reply
>>132577
Valerian root is probably the single best thing I've found that you can buy almost anywhere in a pinch if you have literally nothing else for a comedown and you don't want to drink for whatever reason. Antihistamines suck for this and usually just make things worse.
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Thomas Buckleridge - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:30:09 EST R8Aznk4+ No.132590 Reply
>>132426
Seconding this, mulungu is wonderful and doesn't seem addictive at all ime. Gets active around 1-2 grams

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