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- Mon, 20 May 2019 23:59:49 EST 3mgJ7ePw No.132263
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Wondering who else is taking Phenibut here. Just started on 250-500mg and noticing some sedating and relaxing effects. Wondering what therapeutic effects might be possible past the 250-500mg dosage range.
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George Foddlebanks - Tue, 21 May 2019 01:53:38 EST 6LA5Bjw9 No.132264 Reply
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>>132263

phenibut is good shit nigga
good shit nigga
good
shit
niggaaaaaa
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Ernest Hennerfuck - Tue, 21 May 2019 22:06:49 EST vL1PWjSY No.132265 Reply
>>132263
I'm interested in trying it, but I hear the withdrawals are terrible and I don't trust myself to not take it every day if I enjoy it. Anyone have long term experience with it?
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Hugh Brezzlenore - Wed, 22 May 2019 21:19:52 EST 0MX4GsOO No.132271 Reply
Are the withdrawals really much worse than lyrica/gabapentin withdrawals? I abuse my scripts and always end up in terrible withdrawal but it's still manageable. I was thinking about copping some of this shit to keep me functional 2 weeks out of every month.
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Augustus Trotwill - Mon, 27 May 2019 21:41:39 EST lHfLGhQX No.132288 Reply
>>132270>>132271
The only sources I can find online suggest that phenibut withdrawals don't become bad until you're doing 50+ grams daily. No idea how they compare to lyrica or gabapentin.
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Fucking Nankinville - Tue, 28 May 2019 22:58:12 EST xrL77j4Q No.132295 Reply
>>132288
oh drug dealers lie and do unethical things to make money?
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Caroline Papperdale - Wed, 29 May 2019 13:50:37 EST 2rUeTNLo No.132296 Reply
>>132295
Those were from circlejerk posts, presumably from users. Based on user reports from low dosage addictions, the withdrawals only seem as bad as very light /opi/ withdrawals.
I do agree that the phenibut marketing is highly unethical though. If phenibut ever became a popular street drug in the USA you can bet your ass that a shitload of the companies that sell it would be facing the same kind of backlash as Purdue, if not worse.
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James Gindleman - Mon, 03 Jun 2019 01:49:28 EST k8EtU9XN No.132317 Reply
>>132314
On the primary websites that have quality shit that everybody buys from? Nothing. But there are some shadier websites that:
>advise beginning users to start with ridiculously high dosages, for a drug that already builds tolerance obscenely fast
>purposefully use nomenclature of phenibut that is difficult to search for online without decent knowledge of chemistry
>don't list dosages if contained in a blend of other substances
>state that phenibut is not at all addictive or has no side effects

It's only a few bad apples, but if phenibut ever took off on the streets they'd be the first ones to go down and would make the whole industry look shittier by association.
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Cornelius Huvingbury - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 08:17:32 EST Nj3/DtP1 No.132322 Reply
I don't recommend it. I used it for a semester of university years ago. I don't recall my doses, but I found that a low dose would make me feel great (not intoxicated). More sociable with a floaty feeling and generally positive disposition. A higher dose was quite different, with a strong body and a pleasant blurry feeling kind of like anesthesia after effects or the come up on Z drugs, but it would stay in the early phase and never get more intense. Made me need to lie down eventually. After a month or so of using quite regularly though not every day I ran out and didn't think much of it. Didn't have the desire to order any more. Within 48 hours I jjust felt miserable. For me it was exactly like major depression. I have also had relatively minor opiate withdrawal and while phenibut has no physical symptoms of withdrawal, the psychological dampening effect was worse than with opiates.

Not worth it, imo. I can see why someone might an hero after ending a more substantial habit.
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Rebecca Bimmleman - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 01:15:32 EST wbMbUAhB No.132328 Reply
>>132322
The rebound anxiety is surprisingly brutal, especially compared to opiates and it's part of the reason I try to dose it like ecstasy now: once or twice a month, with plenty of time to recover afterwards.
I don't know if it'd work for you, but for me the difference between that early phase and being knocked on my ass was exercise. Also it's pretty nice because if I get the compulsion to redose I can just replace it with more exercise to re-potentiate.
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Ian Turveyfield - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:20:48 EST /rk1TVdE No.132330 Reply
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>>132263
man I'm officially addicted to phenibut
at least 2 grams a day
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Hannah Himmerwill - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 16:21:04 EST 5CKx5nt/ No.132336 Reply
>>132263
Is there anyway in the USA, to find Phenibut already prepared in pill form? Or do you need a milligram scale?
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Edward Sonningfork - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 02:16:45 EST wkgOCiAq No.132340 Reply
>>132336
Pre-weighed capsules are found pretty easily online. If you mean pressed pills, I have no idea.
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Fucking Claffinglet - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 07:08:44 EST qIrfrJZG No.132376 Reply
>>132336
it's completely legal here idk what you mean dude just order it online

no sourcing but all that but if you google "buy phenibut" literally the first one that comes up is a reputable site with decent prices, they also sell adrafinil which is very cash but really hard on your liver I've heard, I still like it, adrafinil+phenibut is genuinely a good time and is a real tangible buzz bordering on what some might call a high if you take 3-5g of phenibut, which I know is kind of a lot but it really does change your head space

You can seriously over do it with phenibut though, as in really bizarre hallucinations, including weird sensory ones like a pins and needles sensation in the extremities and brain zaps, bizarre very realistic hallucinations like frames of a dream superimposed on your vision, lots of spontaneous images in your minds eye

Now that I think of it I wonder what causes that, the only thing I can think of is its antagonism of voltage-dependent calcium channels, and I recall having a similar experience on an exceptionally high dose of gabapentin which also does that so maybe that's it?
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Nell Shittingfoot - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 22:09:31 EST NczqR6Gb No.132394 Reply
>>132376
Is that 3-5gs relative to a beginner? If not what kind of tolerance do you have?
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Molly Drippershit - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 02:23:34 EST qIrfrJZG No.132396 Reply
>>132394
Relative to a beginner. I don't have a particularly high tolerance because I don't do it very often.
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Molly Drippershit - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 02:24:35 EST qIrfrJZG No.132397 Reply
>>132396
The weird side-effects I was talking about have only really come from 7g+, which is just retarded to do to begin with but probably not lethal
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Matilda Nunningkut - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 07:14:46 EST Nj3/DtP1 No.132400 Reply
>>132328
I would not be averse to this. Like I said I haven't tried phenibut since this experience but I wouldn't say it is worthless or should never be touched. I think every fortnight is to often to take MDMA, but it might be alright for phenibut; your idea is correct. But with that kind of game plan you basically accept that the drug is purely recreational. Unless you have something specific which only happens every two weeks that you need to be calm and serene for, all you're getting is a high and nothing of therapeutic. That's fine though. Maybe I will try phenibut again if I am bored and want to chill for a day. But I had my bad experience and the high wasn't that great so I am kind of turned off.
>>132376
I never had anything like these hallucinations. I don't remember my doses, but I definitely tried quite a bit one time, maybe not 7 grams though.
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David Sinkintere - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 14:50:44 EST hQBr7n0L No.132404 Reply
>>132263
I’ve bought two tubs of it one from that company and I forgot where else and it did t do a thing
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Oliver Worthingshit - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 12:41:45 EST SZEZEwto No.132406 Reply
>>132404
What dosage were you taking and what were you doing on it? Even on massive doses I can barely feel it at all if I'm just sitting on my couch watching tv, but it hits me like a truck when I'm exercising.
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Graham Paddlesurk - Sun, 23 Jun 2019 22:21:40 EST OlvypmiH No.132416 Reply
>>132263
I bought 500mg capsules to see if they'd help for anxiety attacks and maybe if they had recreational potential. I've never had them, but I'm looking forward to maybe trying Rx benzos.

I get a really bad anxiety attack about once or twice a week when feeling lonely, thinking about cringey moments in the past, or how I've wasted my life / never had a life in the first place.
When that happens I take one-two(500mg/1g) caps depending on severity and I never exceed 3 caps a day. I also never try to use phenibut two days in a row. No matter how bad I feel I just grin and bear it. Maybe do some sober escapist shit instead; switch up my routine.

The most I've ever taken is 4 at once(2g) and I just felt really groggy. Like I'd taken 100mg of DPH, except the body-load was like a quarter of how DPH feels. Almost no hangover in the morning after I woke up, unlike DPH.

I found almost zero recreational potential in that dose and I'm hesitant to go over that, even if it has a high safety profile, simply because of the lack of documentation and what I see as an extremely small sample of recreational users giving solid advice.
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Barnaby Cabbleridge - Wed, 26 Jun 2019 00:45:59 EST 3mgJ7ePw No.132418 Reply
>>132416
>I get a really bad anxiety attack
> I'm looking forward to maybe trying Rx benzos.

You should talk to a GP and get some benzos. Maybe sublingual lorazepam for the more severe anxiety attacks (they kick in quickly).
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Jenny Chossleville - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:13:01 EST TTHfJt3B No.132421 Reply
>>132418
They really dont like perscribe them and legit anyone could just walk in and say yeah I have anxiety
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Dextrolord - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:06:02 EST uEBYJC3K No.132427 Reply
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>>132421
I called a psych and said I wanted to stop self medicating. 3 days later I walked out of her office with a fat 90mg/month African script.

Her exact words were, "I'll give u anything besides Xanax" lol
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Nigel Bibbledale - Sat, 29 Jun 2019 00:01:20 EST qIrfrJZG No.132430 Reply
>>132421
nah they're really easy to get unless you have drug abuse on your record, in which case not a chance

I went in one day because I hadn't slept for 3 days because I was in a manic episode, I told them that and that I had GAD and they gave me 60 2mg Klonopin and 60 200mg Seroquel

then i went and fucked it up and went on a bender and wound up in hospital and now i'll never get anything fun again
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Jack Funkinstock - Tue, 09 Jul 2019 00:04:27 EST 3mgJ7ePw No.132452 Reply
>>132430
>went on a bender and wound up in hospital
>60 2mg Klonopin and 60 200mg Seroquel

how the hell do you go on a bender with an antipsychotic and benzodiazepines in your system? i'd be asleep especially if it was seroquel i was taking, that shit turns you into a zombie
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Sidney Demmerbury - Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:32:22 EST qIrfrJZG No.132459 Reply
>>132452
I dunno, I barely remember what happened, I had been up for a few days and I took a few kpins and a few seroquels and I think that the seroquel cancelled out some of the euphoria of the kpins and also didn't really any do anything to bring me down so I just kept taking kpins to get that feeling and blacked out and 72 hours later I ended up in a psych ward, apparently I was hallucinating and hearing voices, apparently I slept intermittently, I wish I knew more about what happened maybe I just lost some of the pills
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Archie Chidgeforth - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 08:54:41 EST k7vPYz9o No.132461 Reply
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This shit is really really good, but as others have said, the withdrawals can be somewhat severe. I've gone through it probably 3-4 times.

The first time is the worst, easily, because it's significantly worse than you expect it to be.

>>132322 was correct in describing cold turkey cessation as "feeling like a major depressive episode". Very easy to imagine someone who isn't used to feeling that way doing something rash in the thick of it.

I've found that I can dose (recreationally) at approximately 1500-2000mg 2-3 times per week, without noticing a significant buildup in tolerance, or withdrawal effects, while retaining some of the anxiolytic effects for ~1.5-2 days after each dose. If I push it to 2500-3000, I start nodding like a motherfuck, but without the pleasant body load/euphoria of an opiate, followed by the best sleep of my life.

The time of onset is a few hours, depending on how full your stomach is/its contents and all that. I find the peak is somewhere around 5-7 hours after ingestion, but it lingers for quite some time, if I recall correctly the half-life of it is longer than average/longer than you'd expect.

>pic related, my last order got turned away at the border :(
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Hannah Bradgehall - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:50:55 EST ZDdsZZ1W No.132463 Reply
>>132461
How much did you order? On ND it says that anything over a 90d supplement will most likely get turned back, and I've ordered the 180ct capsules just fine.
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Archie Chidgeforth - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:54:42 EST k7vPYz9o No.132464 Reply
>>132463
It was two 90s. This is the only time across dozens of identical/larger orders that this has happened, it's not a real problem I don't think, unless things are changing.

Got a stern nanny state letter from Health Canada talking about the dangers of unregulated substances ordered from the internet, and telling me not to do it again.
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Hannah Bradgehall - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:00:55 EST ZDdsZZ1W No.132465 Reply
>>132464
Well shit, I just ordered a 180ct last week and I'm currently waiting for it to get here from the US. Will report back if I get anything similar. Sucks if they're cracking down on it because phen can be a real lifesaver when used responsibly.
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Cedric Drullyford - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 00:55:53 EST 3mgJ7ePw No.132466 Reply
>>132465

I just ordered 180ct from Nootropics Depot and had no issues. Same thing with another order back in April-May. They may hold the order for inspection.
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Edwin Bringerfack - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:10:37 EST qIrfrJZG No.132467 Reply
>>132328
>tfw when you've been doing it every day for 2 weeks now

Should I plan the rest of my doses out for a really slow taper or just stop?
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Simon Puzzlesture - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 14:33:02 EST +xsqEY+9 No.132468 Reply
>>132467
I wouldn't think you'd need to taper unless you've experienced withdrawals before or you've been dosing hard for months now. Stopping and then proceeding with caution afterwards would be a good idea though, regardless of how you do it.
Also the rebound anxiety I was talking about wasn't even from withdrawals - I just snap back HARD after it leaves my system.
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John Peckledale - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 14:43:54 EST k7vPYz9o No.132469 Reply
>>132467
Yeah, two weeks isn't that bad. What kind of dosage?

When I've tapered back from, like... 9 months (?) of daily 3000+ doses (Don't go that far, it sucks) I did it over a couple weeks, edging back by 500 every few days. That seemed sufficient to ameliorate most of the withdrawal symptoms.

What the other guy was talking about was more like, if you're taking Phenibut to help with anxiety, and it's helping, the anxiety usually feels much worse by way of comparison when it comes back. You might feel kinda shitty emotionally for a day or two, but you're probably fine.

The only other concern is probably minor insomnia.
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Phyllis Dommlefield - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 21:15:54 EST qIrfrJZG No.132470 Reply
>>132469
>the anxiety usually feels much worse by way of comparison when it comes back

Weeell fuck, lol

That's exactly what I was doing, and I've been enjoying not hating myself for these past couple weeks, which is why I figured I should taper

Well, I'm starting to get bad side effects like the twitching and sleep paralysis so I figure I'm gonna stop and switch to booze for a week or two to come down slower
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Martin Memmerpadge - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 21:49:33 EST k7vPYz9o No.132471 Reply
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>>132470
>sleep paralysis
Oh man, I'm sorry to hear that. Hate that shit, started getting it when I discontinued SSRIs. Godspeed dude, hope that passes quickly.
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Phyllis Dommlefield - Sat, 13 Jul 2019 19:48:17 EST qIrfrJZG No.132472 Reply
>>132471
welp I just ran out, taken 4g so far today over the course of a few hours, along with an extra Wellbutrin 300mg cause why not. Gonna take my last .75 in a few hours, this is gonna be fun...

To top it all off, one of my friends is about to kill herself and I can't do anything about because I'm not living where she does. Sent me a picture of a noose. I can't convince her to call Samaritans. I basically just have to talk to her constantly about random things to take her mind off of what's going on in her head. Every time I try to convince her to go to A&E or at the very least call a suicide hotline she shuts it down. Says there's no reason for her to live so she doesn't want to inconvenience people by getting help.

I know this is /qq/ but I'm really fucked up and the posts really about Phenibut so fuck it
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Archie Bungerhire - Sun, 14 Jul 2019 00:29:43 EST qIrfrJZG No.132477 Reply
>>132475
>>132476
ok well i just finished the last of the phenibut just now, hopefully it'll give how I'm feeling (i mean physically, not feel too great generally lol) a little boost, done talking about this now, this is quickly becoming not /other/

but i will say that she seems to be ok for right now and getting some sleep, she sent me this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9grE_VaPcAw and said "not tonight at least" and then went offline
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Shit Clicklehood - Sun, 14 Jul 2019 23:21:12 EST Jh95Id2k No.132481 Reply
>>132461
>major depressive episode withdrawal
Sounds basically identical to the withdrawal I go through every month from gabapentin abuse minus the fever, severe nerve pain, itching and nausea. I'm probably gonna buy some of this shit because it sounds like it'll fix the crippling depression that takes up nearly half of my life. I get really severe physical symptoms too depending on how long I binge on gabapentinoids, but the crippling depression I get coming off gaba/pregabalin seriously is fucking my life up. It'd be really nice to have something to fall back on to help me function when I don't have scripts or indian pills. Currently I need alcohol and opiates or weed when I don't have gabas or lyrica, and being on probation and poor as fuck I've been ruining all of my personal relationships because of the lethargic crippling depression. As long as the withdrawal isn't any worse than a high dose lyrica habit, I'm gonna go for it even if I can't expect to actually feel fucked up from it.
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John Perringhood - Wed, 17 Jul 2019 19:01:32 EST 9BhCZzQJ No.132503 Reply
>>132427
my GP would only give me xan, says it's the most effective. the short duration does make it more ideal for panic and less for just chilling all day
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Graham Supperspear - Fri, 19 Jul 2019 21:06:36 EST JdIZIlZN No.132507 Reply
The withdrawals I've had from Pregabalin have been horrible. These are NOT drugs to be taken lightly. Really I would be concerned if one used them more than even once a week.
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Hedda Ballylock - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:10:36 EST APF404Lj No.132533 Reply
Does anybody have a good cure for the liquid torrent of shit that accompanies phenibut use? Loperamide isn't doing enough and I'm not going full /opi/ for this. I just want to be able to use it without needing to stay parked next to the bathroom for the first few hours.
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Molly Gaffingshaw - Mon, 29 Jul 2019 23:31:57 EST 3mgJ7ePw No.132534 Reply
>>132533

Maybe try not to use as much of it. I use no more than a gram at a time and I never get the shits.
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Molly Conninghall - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 23:44:35 EST fKh5JmnD No.132546 Reply
do you need to stagger phenibut like with gabapentin?
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Betsy Crondlepud - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 03:02:21 EST bllqgfeB No.132555 Reply
>>132322
Phenibut withdrawals will send your blood pressure to the roof. It is very physical, ever tried to take your blood pressure, while withdrawing? Glad I dumped it and never looked back. Horrible stuff.
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Ebenezer Bammlefield - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 10:34:30 EST /3clD0uF No.132573 Reply
>>132555
Isn't it good for withdrawing off of GHB though? I've been on this stuff for a month straight at high doses and I'm afraid to miss a dose because I legitimately had heart attack pains once trying to go as long as I could without a dose.
I'm trying to taper down now, but I don't know when to lower my dose and I really just want to be off completely.
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Sophie Crammlefield - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 02:41:03 EST Jd8oW93w No.132574 Reply
>>132573
Seems like it would be, if for no other reason than your ability to dose more precisely.
/r/quittingphenibut/ has this posted on its front page, but it's circlejerk so ymmv.

>Warning: Withdrawal symptoms may not be experienced for up to 72 hours after going cold turkey or drastically decreasing your dose. Always assume you need to taper after daily use. >Experiencing severe withdrawal symptoms may affect your rational judgement.

>Slow taper: decreasing 0-50 mg per day

>Normal taper: decreasing 50-100 mg per day

>Fast taper: decreasing 100+ mg per day

>Fast tapering should usually be avoided, especially if you experience panic attacks, seizures, severe agitation, delusions, hallucinations, psychosis, insomnia, severe lethargy, depression, muscle jerking, tachycardia or hyperthermia.
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Walter Feffingfield - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 04:58:48 EST aGMMnimT No.132576 Reply
>>132574
Plus the slow comedown sounds like it would be better for your body getting used to it.
How long of use does it take with GHB/Phenibut before you really need to start worrying about withdrawals? I've been on it for only about a month but I have a very high tolerance right now. And how long do I have to wait before I will see the absolute worst of it? I'm thinking it might be good to just space out doses as much as possible to see first if I can quit cold turkey and second if it helps lower my tolerance on the way by taking breaks.
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Cornelius Fuckinghood - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 01:55:51 EST SwE5PlKF No.132583 Reply
>>132263
I'm just going to say that myself and at least two other friends who got into phenibut two years ago have all had at least one grand mal seizure after quitting and I've personally had 3. Never an issue until we decided to go on in a big powder order and split it. We were taking reasonable doses using no less than a gram a day, but did it for about half a year.

Anyway, be easy with this stuff. Sometimes I still miss how well it helped me communicate and feel like I was on top of my game, but it isn't worth the side effects that quitting comes with.
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Polly Fenderbury - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 00:56:28 EST aGMMnimT No.132598 Reply
Well I got my phenibut in today. I'd like to start using it to combat the WDs, in conjunction with pregabalin. But I don't want to just switch addictions. I'm not sure what I should do.
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Nathaniel Sammermedging - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:47:42 EST Ql4ydwsP No.132602 Reply
Honestly can't imagine how phenibut withdrawals could be worse than GHB withdrawals. Taking one major dose of phenibut after the glutamate excitotoxicity of GHB made it so I couldn't even taper without being ridiculously miserable, I don't see how it could be worse.
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Emma Blonkinnitch - Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:52:49 EST FRl0pfhw No.132610 Reply
>>132263
literally came to this board to ask about phenibut
stuff is great, it makes me love being alive, more confident, more motivation, zero anxiety, better sleep, etc etc etc
however i was wondering if anyone has a relatively tried&true method of dosing. i was taking 2000-3000mg every other day but tolerance builds up fast and coming off it is painful. is it better to take it a few days in a row then take a while off, or to just dose once or twice a week?
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