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Income inequality by Eliza Fuckingman - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:08:15 EST ID:RGr+LXAE No.396127 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm a white male and I work at a cannery driving a forklift and I came to a realization last night.

There is a hispanic woman in the same area doing the same exact job working the same exact hours, making the same exact wage. The main difference between the two of us is that she has much more seniority in the plant as she's been working there for 20+ years (to my 4) and hence she will always get called first for overtime or asked first to stay over to make extra money.

Here's the thing: she hasn't worked any overtime since the start of the season and I have worked maybe 30 hours of OT cumulatively, ($1,000 worth of work) because she has turned it all down.

Since these are all unscheduled hours entirely dependent on her willingness to work, is it possible something like this could at least partially account for the income disparity we see in the US?

May or may not be related: I'm almost certain she goes on unemployment during the off season as 90% of the senior employees here do so they can clear $10k year from this place.
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Fucking Cecklestone - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:34:33 EST ID:NU4kDAu+ No.396131 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I'm a secretary at a college, there's a black woman whose our only person who collects tuition, a position that 2 years ago almost fucked up the whole school cause the guy who had just stopped doing for months. We make the same amount.

>>396128
Actually it's totally real, tons of studies illustrate it and address the common redpill nonsense goal post moving. Basically woman make 75 cents per dollar across the board, and 95 cents per dollar when compared only directly to men who hold the same job, education and experience.

Feel free to read these instead of spouting off nonsense.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/12/11/on-pay-gap-millennial-women-near-parity-for-now/
https://www.stanford.edu/group/scspi/_media/pdf/key_issues/gender_research.pdf
http://www.aauw.org/files/2013/03/The-Simple-Truth-Fall-2013.pdf
http://www.esa.doc.gov/sites/default/files/reports/documents/womeninstemagaptoinnovation8311.pdf
http://www.jec.senate.gov/public/?a=Files.Serve&File_id=9118a9ef-0771-4777-9c1f-8232fe70a45c
http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/myth-ideal-worker-does-doing-all-right-things-really-get-women-ahead
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Beatrice Sicklehut - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:39:07 EST ID:xZBQkkEm No.396132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>396127
Wow. A woman of color. Maybe if she works at that job for another 20 years, she might get paid more than a white man with no tenure.
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Eliza Fuckingman - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:50:51 EST ID:RGr+LXAE No.396133 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396130
That's the thing. It's an out and out shit place to work overall. I've heard you get as low as 700 per month for retirement. That's pathetic.

So to have worked here for as long as she has it almost seems like she's accepted her wage as static.

How could we possibly pay her an increasing amount as she ages while she does the same exact thing?

The primary reason I have worked here 4 years is because the money is good for a 20 something kid working over the summer, not someone with a family trying to pay off their mortgage.
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Angus Bunshaw - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:55:46 EST ID:6POwg5Ik No.396134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396133
> the money is good for a 20 something kid working over the summer, not someone with a family trying to pay off their mortgage.

You're comparing apples to oranges. You dont know what this person had to go through. Maybe she had a sick family member and had no find work, or she had a child, and had to quit college, some people are just plain fuck ups. You're looking at the wrong picture my man. Not everyone has it fine and dandy and life is hard for some. Someone out there always needs to do the shitty jobs.
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Shit Blackfoot - Wed, 23 Aug 2017 01:27:19 EST ID:ytE8o4BC No.396136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396127
Everywhere I have worked I've noticed 2 things.

>1. Entering into the position is going to get you better pay than working there forever. I've worked jobs where I came in making 11/h but there were people working there for 3-4 years making 10/h. They also had more responsibility and workplace certifications to do more shit. These low rent jobs also don't offer benefits.

>2. The more ethnic/special/whatever groups always start more shit than anyone else. White males just bow their head and work half-assed with maybe some errant bitching. Black males do the same with 1-2 who cause a scene. Women, especially black women and also foreigners cause the biggest amount of bullshit and workplace drama. 2 people in a 200 person workforce could absolutely ruin the productivity of not only the people around them but management as well.

If I were running a business I would only hire Mexicans. They are the only group of people white or black that are okay with shitty wages and won't run their mouth, start shit, break shit out of malice, etc.

>White people won't work.
>Black people run their mouth. And often won't work.
>Asians aren't personable enough to do anything other than factory/assembly work.
>Women get pissy attitudes about everything. Of any race.
>Foreigners are just all the bad elements combined.
>Mexicans/Illegals/Central Americans work hard, take low wages gladly, but the infighting amongst them can grate on HR's nerves. They still work like motherfuckers but they'll be threatening each other and shit while working. Hispanic men just give you weird looks and eat smelly food, that is the worst I can think of.
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RADICAL CENTRISM NOW by Isabella Podgefock - Sun, 13 Aug 2017 18:23:56 EST ID:9QtGH0F5 No.395594 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Both sides came looking for a fight, but as far as I can tell Antifa actually initiated the violence AS PER USUAL.

Reactionaries don't exist in a vacuum. Look at the damn word.

I've been trying to tell you all for years. The left has grown increasingly authoritarian and turned on legitimate liberal values, and now in response we have actual bonafide continental collectivist neo-nazis marching in large numbers.

If you failed to call out the black supremacists inside BLM but are now shocked about what is happening in Virginia, YOU are part of the problem. If you failed to call out people like Linda Sarsour for using feminism as a cover to call for Sharia law, YOU are part of the problem. You guys were way too hyper-focused on a boogieman that did not exist until NOW, because you would not acknowledge the cancer in our own ranks. You could have prevented the next civil war by keeping tyranny of all stripes in check instead of perfering left or right. They are both dangerous and both will turn on you once you are no longer useful. I am so sick of this. The problem is collectivism. The problem is authoritarianism.

We are now in a situation that resembles something like Europe before both worlds wars. The radical authoritarian left starts pushing so hard that the radical authoritarian right starts over-reacting to it.

Fuck authoritarians. Fuck racial supremacists. Fuck white and black nationalists. Fuck intersectionalists and internationalists. You either stand by individual liberty or you don't.

Trump and his ilk are not to blame for this. He came out an condemned violence on ALL sides. At the very most his election should have been seen as a symptom or a warning shot.

It is time for a new radical center. Libertarians and Classical Liberals who are willing to fight and die for individualism and dignity for all men and women. Authoritarians are the problem. Not the left, not the right. The totalitarians. They are the children who are preventing the adults on both sides from having a civil discussion. Now both kids are slinging shit and the ceiling fans and the only thing we can do to keep this from getting so far out of hand that we ALL regret it is to spank both of them and put them in the corner.
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Edwin Gooddale - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:49:59 EST ID:rSCOCuPW No.396122 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396121
what's so funny?
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Rebecca Brookshit - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:00:51 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.396124 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>396122
"hitler did nothing wrong" is an old meme.
I found it a funny way to reference a poster who was advocating nazi bullshit.
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Graham Sabbleforth - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:03:25 EST ID:8b+KEEa8 No.396125 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396119
Dude, shut the fuck up, you fucking idiot. It is very important to read the replies. It's half the fun of seeing a tard get btfo'd.
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Martha Chonkinford - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:12:24 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.396126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396119
nah, fuck that. i love seeing those white orphan reply tags. it's especially satisfying when like 3 or 4 people tell them to eat shit and then you realize via the white appendices that the mods made him eat shit.

besides, the people replying don't deserve to have their posts deleted, and often contain content that's irrelevent to the post their replying to. you can make out what they were saying anyways through context. and what if others replied to that reply? more orphaned tags. i don't think you thought this through all to well.

are you just triggered at the nuking?
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Alice Pockville - Wed, 23 Aug 2017 01:14:46 EST ID:+NSAEK8g No.396135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396124
Man, I miss the days of "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" flavor Mountain Dew.


/rwg/ - Right-Wing General by Albert Nickleway - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:55:53 EST ID:EuF9q028 No.394415 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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General thread for right-wingers

Current events
>Commies throwing a destructive riot outside G20 and getting BTFO by police
>Trump's 30 minute meeting with Putin going well past 2 hours
>Dems/Libs continue to demand WAR with Russia, citing their "election hacking" as an act of war
>John Podesta (Hillary's campaign manager and employee at WaPo) had a breakdown on Twitter due to a recent Trump tweet
>North Korea moving closer to starting a war with the US
>Another ceasefire in Syria infuriating all NeoCons and Liberals
>Liberals upset that a white man is not going to jail for killing a black man who was attempting to drown two children
>CNN still in damage control mode over their blackmailing of a circlejerk user; according to various tweets, pointing out that the majority of CNN employees are Jewish was the real catalyst for doxxing him, not the wrestling meme
>MSM suddenly pushing the Russian narrative again, now that Trump met with Putin. Most have yet to apologize for lying about the "17 intel agencies" that turned out to be 3.
>Comrade Bernie Sanders is now the frontrunner for 2020 according to some news outlets, which would more than confirm a second term for Trump
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Nicholas Bimmerfoot - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:51:10 EST ID:mFhoZrWt No.395728 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395727
Why wait? Do it your fucking self.
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Cedric Gickleham - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:58:34 EST ID:TdA02XNY No.395733 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395730
It's really hard to tell with you where the trolling ends and where the fetal alcohol syndrome begins
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Ernest Ponkinwedge - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:06:18 EST ID:LRcBRT+U No.395790 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>394415
Question: why can't right-wingers into torches?
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Priscilla Sunnerledge - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:09:33 EST ID:6POwg5Ik No.396118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395790
Because this isn't the middle ages.
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Phoebe Granddock - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 20:29:10 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.396120 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396118
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Torches


Running Scared by Walter Sabberstone - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:08:26 EST ID:FZwyp5B6 No.395791 Report Reply Quick Reply
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After the events in Virginia, many of the "alt-right" are now trying to distance themselves from the brand, claiming yet another rebranding called "New Right". Make no mistake, these cowards are the same people that stood with Richard Spencer and the other neonazi "alt-right" filth, parroted the same sentiments and hold the same ultimate beliefs. The only difference? They are terrified, and rightly so, that there will be repercussions and retribution for standing with Klansmen and other fascists in Charlottesville.

They claim they want to “wear MAGA hats, create memes & have fun.” and are "totally not racist you guys." One such individual is Jack Posobiec, who espouses conspiracy theories of "white genocide" and how BLM is a black separatist group. He claims that he's never been buddy-buddy with people like Richard Spencer and claimed that he was scum. This tweet says otherwise; https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/876564807142572032

Keep a close eye on this, don't be suckered in to believing these people had a change of heart.
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Ian Sorrylock - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:30:21 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.396053 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396052
This.
Ironically, a lot of the Oathkeepers tend to fade away when it comes to issues involving minorities and their rights. And not a few tend to have this idea that the only reason minorities are poor is because they "weren't raised right," etc. It is sort of a simmering, low level of racism as opposed to Cantwell's style of "kill all da nee-grows."
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Simon Bunnerchere - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:44:42 EST ID:XqOr0TAj No.396057 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396038
I abbreviated National Policy Institute, aka Richard Spencer's 'just because we're genocidal white supremacists doesn't mean we're Nazis' think tank, but the rest you really should know unless you're living under a rock. You can punch any of them into google and it will be the first result.

Also,
> GOP
> Dumbfucks with nothing to do
lol
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Molly Chankinsore - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 13:11:26 EST ID:UivMW5B+ No.396089 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396057
I live under a rock. Politics are gay. I just randomly check this board to see if WW3 is about to happen.
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Nicholas Bardstone - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:04:42 EST ID:/qTCc9gT No.396098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395938

He already said he's just putting up an act when he was in court and it looked like his former wife might take the kids. His fans ignored it though.
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Esther Haffingmock - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 01:25:43 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.396101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396098
That and he appeared to have hired an actor in Seattle to throw coffee on him...which is quite "theatrical."


Ruminations of toppling statues by Augustus Sossledale - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 11:24:44 EST ID:JS2STE3y No.395747 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So the anti-protestors at Charlottesville, NC tore down a statue that depicts a confederate soldier, with the engraving "In memory of the boys who wore gray" and it got me thinking about the meaning of statues and what they represent. As well as the tendency of people to assign the motive of a movement to all of the people who are involved in it.

To the anti-protestors the statue obviously represents oppression, slavery and all of that. Or maybe the statue was just a casualty of passions running high during the day, and they didn't really care about what the statue represents beyond that fact that it was associated with the confederacy.

I digress, the statue to me, does not really seem to be representing any kind of political ideas. It seems more like a memorial for all of the soldiers who were killed on the confederate side. The engraving also makes reference to "boys" there were many many young boys who died in the civil, young people who did not have a real understanding of why the war was being fought, people who still had potential to go on and do any amount of good with their lives. I have to wonder about how "boys in grey" died who thought slavery was wrong, or didn't really care about.

Being included in that army was more a function of where you were born than any kind of political ideology, but such is the case with most conflicts.

I've always held a reverance for the people who die in war that are conscripted. It makes me thankful that I live in a time where the local authority isn't coming to my house telling me I have to go fight and die for whatever reason. I don't think many of the soldiers in the civil war gave a shit about high-minded political ideology, most people just had a gun put in their hand and got told the otherside is evil. Just like in WWII, just like in Vietnam, just like in so many conflicts.

Maybe I'm off base, maybe I'm missing the point. IDK, seeing that just didn't sit well with me. I doubt that any of the protestors on either side we're really thinking about what that statue is supposed to represent.
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Clara Findlebanks - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:32:02 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.396064 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396046
History is after all written by the victors.
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Oliver Billinghall - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:54:26 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.396066 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396063
>Would we give these same rights to Wahabists?

States like Kansas have passed "anti-shari law measures," while simultaneously trying to cram the Evangelical church into government....

So...no.
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Clara Findlebanks - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:31:16 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.396074 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396066
I used that as an example of whether or not the alt-right white supremacists should be considered a protected group.
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Oliver Billinghall - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 01:00:59 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.396076 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396074
They are already a protected group...
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Clara Findlebanks - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 11:28:12 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.396086 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396076
Yes, I know. My question is should they remain one in the current climate. Has a line been crossed and whatnot.


The Problem With The Libertarian Party by Ian Sorrylock - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:55:57 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.396058 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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This may be the first in a series of threads questioning the health of the various political parties. Feel free to start your own for other parties...

So, in an attempt to understand the "alt-right," I subbed myself to an AR FB group that just shy of 600 members.

Today I was kicked off for simply saying that the Holocaust actually happened.

So, I start mulling over what I had learned from it all. The biggest lesson I got was this -

The Alt-Right love to hide behind the title "Libertarian."

It sort of seems to catch a lot of them. They declare themselves "Libertarians," and then go into all sorts of weird contortions to justify alt-right bullshit.

This lead me to realize that the Libertarians, as a party, are pretty fucked up right now. Besides this infiltration of alt-right types, they are also known for shit like this...which got a ton of press...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7g0O0Bp6pA
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Oliver Billinghall - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:16:29 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.396071 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396070
Libertarians who are against gay marriage are my favorites. And yes, they exist.
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Frederick Disslegold - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 22:32:25 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.396072 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>396070
Right-libertarians don't want to shrink the entire government, they want protection of private property expanded.
The just want to shrink public education, welfare, progressive taxation, industrial regulation, enforcement of civil rights, and other things fascists also happen to be against.
The main difference is that libertarians believe this will result in greater freedom, whereas fascists see all these things as helping minorities at their own expense.

Since the latter is not something one articulates in polite companies, most fascists just say it's about freedom.

Every presidential election, the Libertarian primary debate has a question to the effect of "Should businesses be forced to serve niggers", and any candidate who argues yes gets attacked by the audience and other candidates.
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Oliver Billinghall - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 23:24:27 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.396073 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396072
Yeah, I remember Rand Paul getting shit for that stance. Then I started seeing the alt-right kinda co-opt it. The idea is an old one though. That somehow being a total dick to an entire segment of the population en masse is "freedom."
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Augustus Billingstock - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 01:08:07 EST ID:+NSAEK8g No.396077 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396068
Great post.

Honestly, left-libertarianism or liberaltarianism seem like a more pure version of what libertarianism should be.
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Graham Suppertitch - Mon, 21 Aug 2017 09:55:19 EST ID:HsGDoYnF No.396085 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In America Libertarian is short hand for states rights, which is short hand lets let the red states commit genocide or reenact slavery, please.

These people don't want gay marriage, or gun rights, or free flowing cheeba. They want the states to make the call instead of the feds. But at the end of the day, they just want to repeal civil rights in the states they actually live in.

Be a socialist instead.


Communism by Hedda Driddleman - Sun, 13 Aug 2017 11:36:11 EST ID:Ky7aDHwU No.395584 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I might be being ignorant here but I think I agree with most of what communism offers as long as someone found a way to implement it without corruption and it was more strictly following Marx's ideas instead of the imitation communism we've seen from Russia.

Someone explain to me the bad side of this please cause all I hear is hate without explanation when i raise the topic.
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Simon Bunnerchere - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 23:01:58 EST ID:XqOr0TAj No.396035 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395911
Capitalism's profit driven markets have the same failure to distribute goods to those in need on more consistent and much larger scale.

Where as communism's problem with distribution is purely logistical and can be solved by better technology, capitalism's failure is so inherent to its nature that its not considered a problem.
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Simon Weckletog - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 16:20:12 EST ID:PIa6yiXY No.396051 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396035
>Where as communism's problem with distribution is purely logistical and can be solved by better technology

The problem is when distribution is in the hands of the state, it can easily be used as a weapon for social control, loyal places get double, disloyal (or rival racial/religious/social) areas get less or nothing (Like what happened in Ukraine and the Holodomor)
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Charlotte Crimblewidge - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 17:47:36 EST ID:nppI2w1T No.396054 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>396051
>The problem is when distribution is in the hands of the state, it can easily be used as a weapon for social control, loyal places get double, disloyal (or rival racial/religious/social) areas get less or nothing
It was not uncommon for farmers to be left to starve while the landowners sold their crops for profit on massive scales before capitalism was restrained.
Measures to alleviate famines in India and Ireland in the 19th and 20th centuries were blocked as the famines weakened the power of the proletariat against the landowners.

There was also a philosophy of the time that the poor were immoral and lazy, therefore famines made for a more moral society.
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Simon Weckletog - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:12:11 EST ID:PIa6yiXY No.396055 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396054
Thats very true. Which is why I feel both unrestrained Capitalism, and full state control Communism will only lead to suffering for the masses. Tightly regulations, and extremely strict anti-corruption laws would allow the best of both worlds, imo.

The Free Market and Socialism are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I'd argue that the Free Market is an enemy of unrestrained capitalism, because the worst examples of it have always been the marriage of Government and Corporate power.
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Simon Bunnerchere - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 19:05:16 EST ID:XqOr0TAj No.396059 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>396055
Socialism and Communism isn't full, soviet style, state control of the economy (but it is a valid form). The most ideal forms have industrial control held at the local level. The key to socialism is that those industries must be democratically controlled by the people. The main fear of socialism is if the control is consolidated but no longer democratic then it's just pure authoritarianism.

Tight regulations have severe drawbacks and limitations when the base model is capitalism. You will forever being playing a game of cat and mouse were the state bans some heinous capitalist grift but they keep finding a way around it again and again.

You really must understand that the base model of capitalism is not unnatural and is impossible to impose upon a population without state power. The key point here is the system of private property. Not the very idea of property - personal property is natural and been around forever - but private property, the system were one can legally own a thing despite having no other connection to it. Rent, evictions, absentee management, wage theft, repossession, all of these things are impossible to maintain without a violent state to enforce it. (inb4 hippy bullshit NAP)


for fellow comrades by Nicholas Fushbanks - Sun, 20 Aug 2017 10:49:40 EST ID:OMfzYUQp No.396045 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I recently picked up a copy of Naomi Klein's new book "No is not enough", I leafed through it to get the main points but didnt buy it.
>If you spend your days glued to your phone and have 30 political tabs open on your browser, much of the material in No Is Not Enough will be familiar. The book’s chief value lies in synthesis.
Its about Trump. Here's an article about it: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jun/22/no-is-not-enough-naomi-klein-donald-trump

For those not familiar she wrote 'No Logo' in the nineties which is about the power of branding and "The shock doctrine" later:
>This centers on the exploitation of national crises to push through controversial policies while citizens are too emotionally and physically distracted by disasters or upheavals to mount an effective resistance
Her new book is a kind of blend of those two topics. She writes about how Trump won the election by effective branding, basically making his name synonymous with wealth and success. Although many of us know that Trump is nowhere near very successful with money, the power of branding is creating a fact-free or even counter-factual reality. She also goes on to say that his election is basically a corporate take over of government. Later on she warns of the shock 'therapy' - using crisis like war or economic crash to push through new legislation pushing the US further towards authoritarianism.

Although I found her now and have found her in the past to be a bit alarmist, she does have a point, considering Trump's recent remarks on Korea, tension in the country and basically everything Trump does. At the end she discusses tactics ordinary people can use to prepare for the shock therapy, however her message basically can be summarised as unite all the different voices on the left - she falls in Bernie Sanders camp rather than Clinton's.

So... Are you prepared for the shock? what are you doing?
Or if you've read the book or are familiar with Klein what do you think?


How do we fix America? by Isabella Billingfield - Fri, 28 Jul 2017 12:37:00 EST ID:IDbG1sVj No.395193 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why not value education, logic, truth, and reason the same way that people do in Northern Europe or East Asia? Why is it people in the US seem proud of the fact they've never read a book they weren't forced to read and vote for people based on how that person looks or how they make them feel? Why is completely acceptable for people to deny basic facts and be given a platform as if it's ok to take sides in matters of objective truth? Imagine if we took the "there's two sides to every issue, let's talk about it and meet in the middle" attitude with something like the Holocaust? It's JUST as ridiculous to do that with evolution, climate change, etc.

People who should never have been given a voice or a platform to spew their shit have been given a direct line to the president and hold sway over the loudest 35% of our country.

Where did everything go so wrong and how can we fix it?
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Edward Clingerworth - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 22:00:41 EST ID:+1QvBxzk No.395941 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395928
your big problem here is assuming this obsession with "identity politics" is new or at least more pronounced than usual. it's not. the terms used change constantly, but people have been bitching about what amounts to identity politics as long as identities have existed. identifying this solves nothing that we haven't already.

sorry dude, this just isn't as insightful as you seem to think it is. identity politics always was and always will be part of the discussion. it's not going away and trying to make it go away is futile, sincde "identities" are an inherent way we perceive ourselves.
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Nathaniel Smallbury - Fri, 18 Aug 2017 23:13:24 EST ID:LdbqqAMo No.395942 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395933
What the FUCK are you talking about. Get outta here with that bull SHIT
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Sidney Wudgetatch - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 03:32:39 EST ID:UlVY+x+6 No.395983 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Aesthetics is the language of control, by denouncing logic, critical reason and dialectics and embracing nietzschean/sentimentalist approach to culture americans are bred and trained to be gullible, which is necessary for the stability of oligarchic "democracy". Voting based on feelings that are implanted and artificial allows for authoritarian rule by appearing as democracy.
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Sidney Wudgetatch - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 03:39:16 EST ID:UlVY+x+6 No.395985 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395941
>"identities" are an inherent way we perceive ourselves.
do you have a proof or do you merely lack imagination
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Nathaniel Monningsotch - Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:06:23 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.396006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395985
jesus christ, what a retarded reply. it is literally, from a psychological perspective, how we conceive of our own being.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-concept


Trump: the do nothing president by David Fuckingfoot - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:21:13 EST ID:8b+KEEa8 No.395801 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Because of the things he says because of the lack of seriousness in his approach to lead, it is hard to imagine how he can effectively govern for the next 3 and half years.

What he will not come out and say makes it impossible for him to put any pressure on even his own party to push policies through.
Any poli sci majors have a take on this? He continues to fail in this area and now is unimaginable that he will be able to negotiate even among the GOP.

I feel like I am being ultra realistic on this point. Simply his race relations could perhaps be the worst since reconstruction era.
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Thomas Bongerfuck - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 22:39:14 EST ID:IIsxRMZh No.395821 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395815
>Idk how he can brag about how he created 70 bazillion jobs and unemployment is the lowest it's been since 2001...

In cased you missed it, the guy is a pathological liar....
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Eliza Cledgetork - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:27:31 EST ID:+NSAEK8g No.395884 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>mfw I just saw CNN run a pro-Trump ad crying about "the alt-right"

I have no idea how that got aired unless this was some Mad Headroom hacking PBS tier hijacking
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Eliza Cledgetork - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:27:55 EST ID:+NSAEK8g No.395885 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395884
meant to type "the alt-left"

NB
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Priscilla Woddledat - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:33:46 EST ID:FZfHNqfu No.395886 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>395885
They do that to give them fair airtime. I've seen a few ads there from Trump and his cronies. It also gives Fox news less opportunity to point and shriek at CNN.
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Eliza Cledgetork - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 21:36:15 EST ID:+NSAEK8g No.395887 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395886
I see.

Anyhow, this is another reason why I get so pissed off at the whole "liberal media" meme because if the media really was so "LIBERAL", that ad wouldn't have ran at all.

Besides, CNN is pretty much centrist with slight center of left (and occasional center of right) elements sprinkled throughout.


Hyper-Polarization by Wesley Brabblehick - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 22:32:25 EST ID:JS2STE3y No.395820 Locked Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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With everyone hopping on the anger-masturbation band-wagon this week, I want to talk about why the word "Nazi" has lost any meaning as a word.

Calling someone a "nazi", "SJW" or a "facist" is now just a replacemnet for someone I disagree with and really don't like, but I can't coherently articulate why I don't like them so I'm just going scream that you're a "nazi-facist","SJW" until I'm blue in the face.

People are only saying "Nazi" because of it's connotation as a psuedo-swear word to label anyone you don't agree with as someone who's political opinions are completely undefensible. The bar for what constitutes someone with a completely undefensible political opinion is now so low according to the prevailing zeitgeist on the left that anyone with even a shade right-leaning sensibilities can be called a "Nazi".

Calling someone a Nazi in the pejorative sense only proves that you're being completely hyperbolic and hysterical. The actual Nazis put people into concentration camps and wore stylish uniforms. Alt-right holds tiki-torches and is a bunch of fat-neckbeards. Hitler had millions and millions of people killed and had an entire nation bent to his will.Trump sends mean tweets and can't get a bill through congress.

Forgive me if I don't see the comparison.

People just keep widening the nets for what kind of person constitites these meaningless buzzwords. I'm tired of hearing these meaningless words. Nazi means nothing, alt-right means nothing, SJW means nothing. Its all just a replacement for people who are stupid and I don't like them.
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Reason: waaah stop calling me nazi it hurts my precious feelings im not a nazi because i use the nazi flag and seig heil and hate other races and am a white nationalist stop it :(
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Isabella Sennerford - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 00:22:26 EST ID:MyuDzBUL No.395830 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You sound like another scummy Centrist.
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Shit Dinkinhodging - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 00:37:28 EST ID:1zAIlCk1 No.395831 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>395820
> actual Nazis put people into concentration camps and wore stylish uniforms.
>stylish uniforms.
thats what its all about, isn't it?
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Edward Drumbleham - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 05:37:27 EST ID:LcXYpdK4 No.395837 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395820
>The actual Nazis put people into concentration camps and wore stylish uniforms. Alt-right holds tiki-torches and is a bunch of fat-neckbeards.

Which doesn't exclude them from wanting to genocide people. Those "fat neckbeards", for the most part, love Hitler. This isn't even a fucking secret if you've browsed *chan boards for any moderate amount of time.

>Hitler had millions and millions of people killed and had an entire nation bent to his will.Trump sends mean tweets and can't get a bill through congress.

And what did Hitler do before he was in power? Spread racist propaganda, cultivated a persecution complex for ethnic majorities, and organized violent rallies. The same shit the alt-right is doing today.

I don't think Trump is a Nazi, but it's clear a significant chunk of his followers are, and he shares enough opinions with them to be appealing.

>Hell, not even all white nationalists can rightfully be called Nazi's, a Nazi is someone who believes in National Socialism or Strasserism, not just far right/ethno-nationalism.

"White nationalism" is literally just a rebranding of white supremacist and nazi-inspired ideas to make it more palatable to the public. Spend any time on Stormfront and see how moderate some of these "white nationalists" are when it comes to shitting on minorities, homosexuals and basically every other group the Nazis hated. Almost nobody except white supremacists care about this distinction because the overlap is almost 100%. There is only a tiny, tiny jump between "muh white, nondemocratic ethnostate" and wanting to genocide minorities in said ethnostate.
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Wesley Cinkinbanks - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 06:19:07 EST ID:Er4LORL+ No.395839 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>395824
Dang, you beat me to it. If they're siege-heiling and wearing fascist symbols, or when asked on camera if they're a national-socialist and they say yes, there's no doubt.

>>395826 Yeah, learn all the specific terms people, sheesh.
Honestly Sommlepat, when someone says nazi i think they mean fascist. The most famous fascist party.

Yeah, what they said: >>395837
>>395823 Unfortunately true somewhat. Doesn't it depend on the sources researched? Irrelevant perhaps, and even smart opinions. What good are words if they don't lead to and come from actions.
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Fucking Sattingfotch - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 08:24:38 EST ID:zA8Zcg02 No.395842 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395820
>People are only saying "Nazi" because of ...
>Calling someone a Nazi in the pejorative sense only proves that you're being completely hyperbolic and hysterical
lol. people are saying "nazi" because the alt right (and other white supremacists) literally uses the nazi salute, nazi propaganda (in German, no less!) and other nazi symbols. They are white supremacist, which is the central policy to the nazis... it's not even hyperbolic, considering there are a handful of these white supremacists advising our president.

>People just keep widening the nets for what kind of person constitites these meaningless buzzwords. I'm tired of hearing these meaningless words. Nazi means nothing, alt-right means nothing
No, dude. If you're marching for white supremacy, alongside the KK FUCKING K, you're an alt-right white supremacist.

>The word is being indiscriminately applied to anyone right of center now
No, it's being applied solely to white supremacists - the KKK, the alt-right, etc. Shit, most democrats are right of center these days. Has anyone called John McCain a nazi? Has anyone called Lisa Murkowski a nazi? No. Why? It's very simple: these people aren't marching to save symbols of white supremacy.


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Continued from
http://boards.420chan.org/b/res/4592976.php#4594603

>If capitalism ceases to exist whenever a state gets involved in the economy, then capitalism has never existed, period.
Well that case could be argued. Hence, anarcho-capitalist ideology.

But I'm not going to. Things are much too complex for us to hash out in detail here.
When I use marxism I mean (like most people who look at the insitutions I mentioned, media, universities, corporate PR) much more the cultural ideological very wide spectrum of ideas, like political correctness, infringing freedom of speech, denying scientific fact, denying the existence of human racial differences, equality of outcome before equality of opportunity, anti-meritocracy, assigning privilege points (somehow not racist) not so much the bulletpoints of the economic theory.

Denying science is a tried and true method of the left, look up communist science and how retarded they were.
Other leftists too like the nazis to some extent were talking about strange pagan earth forces and taking it seriously.
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Cedric Gickleham - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:05:57 EST ID:TdA02XNY No.395775 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395774
So you accept the counter evidence as true but refuse to reconsider your presumptions or change your mind, just because you don't wanna?

Why even bother debating? Might as well just yell at the wall.
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Shitting Cruckleteg - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:21:31 EST ID:bVbFLcM9 No.395776 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395775
Present day liberals are all about sumptuary laws the way Helen Lovejoy types were in my childhood. All of those criticism still apply no matter how easy they are to form. You resemble the echo chamber in the memo- unable to see outside your "red as a good steak" monoculture.
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Barnaby Moddledock - Tue, 15 Aug 2017 19:59:44 EST ID:tKL1VXn4 No.395785 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395699
If you let millions of people starve because one powerful guy doesn't believe in the third Agricural revolution You might not be that good at doing science as a whole.

I'm sure their scientists were fucking great, until they were imprisoned and executed for going against the grain.
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Ernest Ponkinwedge - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:31:16 EST ID:LRcBRT+U No.395787 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395785
Agricultural policy is not a science you moron
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Cyril Fublingworth - Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:40:07 EST ID:Sp4C6LHH No.395788 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>395774
REGULATING TRANS FAT IS AN IMPENDIMENT TO OUR FREEDUMB

STOP BIG GUBBERMENT


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