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CIA & Vault 7 by Simon Gendlewill - Thu, 09 Mar 2017 16:03:21 EST ID:YRrchvuw No.389035 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Suprised there's no thread about this.

>http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/wikileaks-cia-vault-7-julian-assange-year-zero-documents-download-spying-secrets-a7616031.html
>https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

What has suprised me more than the shocking contents of the above are how many fellow liberals are shrugging their shoulders and/or making excuses for the CIA.

When did we start siding with the deep state? How have so many left-wingers forgotten about the last 60 years of CIA horrors?
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Alice Drebblelet - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:50:15 EST ID:1ZzCKZyo No.389671 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389663
Lol calm down. You're acting exactly like some 4skin Trumptard, from your word choice down to your general over-reaction.
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Caroline Chandlebanks - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 03:47:35 EST ID:KVQJ8U2S No.389712 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389663
Dude, anyone capable of passing high school physics can conceptually design a rudimentary yet functional nuclear device. Good luck acquiring the material and industrial capacity to refine U-235 or synthesize Pu-239 (or even the conventional explosives needed to attain prompt criticality) without anyone catching on. This is meant to elucidate that knowing how to do something =/= being realistically capable of carrying it out.

Seeing as how anyone who can't figure it out off the top of their head can currently find all they need to know about this particular subject using little more than google (which you've pointed out), I fail to see how these instructions being (re)released via wiki leaks would do anything significant to the status quo. So I'll let you go ahead and explain how that is a relevant issue and not blatant fear mongering, since you're the one who brought it up to begin with in that context.

In contrast, exploiting political scandals, exposing cover-ups, revealing military plans, etc. through this medium would stand to have a far greater impact on the world at large. Wiki leaks functions as a powerful social engineering tool, and is much more likely to make waves through that avenue than any nonsense about spreading the "secret" of how to build an atomic bomb.

How dare you insinuate my high-quality custom OC made specifically for that reply™ came from elsewhere, though I'm flattered you think it deserves memetic status after being seen by all of 3 people. Nice completely original frog comic that only comes up 4 times in the first line of google image search results.
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Martha Clundlestun - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 03:54:51 EST ID:uR9+BrFh No.389713 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389712
This. You just need two seperate isotopes and some TNT, there you got your nuclear bomb. I remember my elementary school science teacher explaining how you could build a nuclear bomb the size of backpack. I'm not saying creating nuclear arms is easy, I'm just sayin' the same as Caroline.
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Simon Dragglebork - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 05:43:30 EST ID:ZL/M6cbo No.389714 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389713
yeah some tnt is total capable of delivering enough energy to produce a sustained reaction in a small enough package
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Caroline Chandlebanks - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 07:52:23 EST ID:KVQJ8U2S No.389715 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389714
If you've got a good enough neutron reflector (all about dat beryllium), and tritium/deuterium for even more neutrons, then yes.

Pic related is the carrying case of a W54 nuclear warhead (launched by the Davy Crockett) converted in to what essentially amounts to a ridiculously oversized satchel charge. While never actually used in combat, the Special Atomic Demolition Munition serves as proof of concept that - if you can lift 50kg - it is possible to have a "backpack nuke." Though it won't be the Tsar Bomba, I certainly wouldn't want it in my living room.

As for the power of the TNT (or any conventional explosive), consider that supercriticality has been caused by combining sufficient masses of plutonium by hand. The material will readily react; it's just a matter of keeping it together in prompt criticality for a long enough instant before it blows itself apart. A more crude design might be less efficient, but keep in mind a bomb in which <1/64th of the uranium underwent fission was still enough to destroy Hiroshima.

That being said, it would still be an incredibly onerous process to produce one independently at this time. People used to go to the electric chair for disseminating this information - now the order of the world is such that governments can give less than a rat's ass that it is readily available on a public educational database. It's just too much of a technically challenging, dangerous, and resource-intensive endeavor to pull off without attracting the attention of those who have a means to put a stop to it. They are that confident.

All in all, wiki leaks exerts its influence through how it affects the hearts and minds of the people, which can't be countered through the same measures. Telling someone how to do a task they won't feasibly have the means to accomplish is not going to achieve much in reality, no matter what it is. Hence the publication of [readily available] source material on how to build a nuclear device largely falls outside the focus of why wiki leaks is relevant in the world today, and could be expected to have a negligible impact were it to occur.

TL;DR - how I learned to stop worrying and love …
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Ivanka to be molested in West Wing by Basil Bunhood - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:16:57 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.389669 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So, Trumpy has moved his daughter, and favorite fuck toy, into a WH office. Even though she has no job or position. With it comes security clearance.

WTF is this about? Is he lining up his kids to take over when he steps down/leaves/dies?

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/21/520965076/ivanka-trumps-move-to-the-white-house-raises-questions-about-ethics
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Esther Sengerpad - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:28:09 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.389706 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389703
The party loyalty is what worries me. Would they torpedo this shit if the, more and more likely, conclusion is that Trump colluded with the Russians?

How much are they willing to let him destroy?
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Wesley Pullernidging - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:31:28 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389708 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389706
They don't care if the country is in the pocket of Russian conservatives and gangsters, all they care about is money and making sure that it ends up in their pockets. Simple as that. They don't care about America, never have, it's always been about money for them.
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Molly Smallbury - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:50:58 EST ID:+NSAEK8g No.389709 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389703
Can't wait for the sane parts of the GOP to go "fuck party loyalty" and rightfully end this nightmare of an administration.

No transfer of power to Pence or ANY of the cabinet. We need to press the reset button with a completely new white house team altogether.
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Simon Dragglebork - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 02:31:01 EST ID:ZL/M6cbo No.389710 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389709
lol
those stubborn old farts would sooner see the country in ashes and rubble than admit they were wrong
....pretty fucking hilarious for people who put so little thought in to begin with
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Simon Dragglebork - Thu, 23 Mar 2017 02:32:58 EST ID:ZL/M6cbo No.389711 Ignore Report Quick Reply
so concerned with looking week that all effort goes into the appearance rather than you know ensuring that they are not actually acting week


How Obama Will Get Imprisoned by Hedda Bunman - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 16:18:41 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.388993 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Been looking at the news regarding Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower, and noticed something disturbing.

The GOP....all of them apparently, are willing to investigate this matter. Yet, they have repeatedly shown little to no interest in regards to Russian meddling in the election and Jeff Sessions' blatant perjury.

Theory - The GOP will use the claims of wiretapping to create a "Super-Benghazi" style investigation. The goal will be to simply distract from the shit show that is the GOP right now. The investigation will reach "Ken Starr," levels of investigation. Meaning they will just keep the investigation going and switch focus in an attempt to come up with SOME dirt on Obama that they can make an issue out of. At some point, they will be forced to charge Obama with what will most certainly be either a false-charge, or something unrelated to the actual issue (like Clinton got caught on.) With the majority being the judge and jury in this case, Obama will most likely go to prison. You can also replace HRC with Obama, although they seem to have cooled on her for now.

tl;dr - Trump will lock Obama up over nothing so his shenanigans go unnoticed.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:49:59 EST ID:2TfYxlWB No.389694 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389690

Also, the important thing is the "unmasking". The NSA collects a shitload of conversations in bulk in case it's evidence of something, in that way it's incidental. Then agencies can ask to access those collections based on one of the participants (i.e. using a warrant/order). If the guy you're investigating has a conversation with someone you don't know and you consider them of interest you can ask for that persons identity to be unmasked and then search for all conversations that person has had with others, conversations that were just collected incidentally.

The incidental word they're trying to use as a diversion, the really important word is unmask. If they did that to collect information about Trump or his team they're fucked. They did it this way because it gives plausible deniability if they can dream up a reason why they are a person of interest.
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Soviet Psychonaut - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:51:09 EST ID:2TfYxlWB No.389695 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389691
You're right, but perhaps it can also indicate that the committee is compromised? That's the only rationale I can see from the other side.
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Simon Dragglebork - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:53:17 EST ID:ZL/M6cbo No.389696 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389692
classic trumpeter
cant tell if your being intentionally deceitful or you really are that stupid and illiterate
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William Sennerdock - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:09:55 EST ID:0RBOKMWd No.389704 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't know it they bugged his phone, but if they did they were right to monitor him.

He's a known criminal, he's a threat to law and order, and it's pretty obvious he has sympathies toward the Russians and their allies. This is exactly what we have this surveillance authority for... to protect this country and it's citizens. Martin Luther King Jr. must be stopped.
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Esther Sengerpad - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:29:42 EST ID:1qezcbq/ No.389707 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389692
How is Russia, or Iran, or any of those fuckers "political opposition?"

Da fuck?


Just a reminder by Hedda Dasslewirk - Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:14:35 EST ID:FZwyp5B6 No.389297 Report Reply Quick Reply
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That illegals aren't "stealing" jobs. Employers are willingly hiring them for cheap labor and exploiting these people.

So cannot steal that which was freely and willingly given to you.
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Shit Nickleforth - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:58:26 EST ID:Ta8rvEqQ No.389662 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389659
>islam
> to create the perfect army
no that's just abrahamic religion in general. the original name of god literally meant "he who musters armies".

also you're right about older males not adapting, but every year the younger middle easterners get more secular and westernized. the retard fundies will go on screaming and have increasingly less power, and their grandchildren will be eating from a tub of bacon watching reruns of seinfeld. today you see a woman shamed by the entire muslim community for twerking on video, in twenty years hijab use will be seen as prudish bullshit.

and for the record, mexicans in america are largely americanized. so many of my friends aren't planning to teach spanish to their children, or don't feel confident enough to teach them. it happened to the irish and italians, it'll happen to YOU.
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Frederick Nurrymitch - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 12:34:47 EST ID:zA8Zcg02 No.389664 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389662
fundamentalist christians are demonstrably more of a threat to our freedom than fundamentalist muslims anyway.

christians fought & won the right to deny women certain legal health treatments & procedures & some couples the right to get married.

no one has, nor is it possible to "enact sharia law" in the US.
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Nicholas Snodbanks - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:37:07 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389665 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389655
>Regardless of whether it 'hurts' the nation or not, illegal immigration is currently illegal and thus, is enforced.

Then why don't we see ICE going after the other 30% of illegals? That's still a sizable chunk of illegal immigrants.

Why should you admit the obvious? Because you have to be dishonest to think that this isn't born from racist motives from a portion of those that want Mexicans out. This anger generated through a demagogue going after the lowest denominators, while ignoring the real issues in our government. We worry about Mexicans and Muslims as Republicans redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich among other things such as dismantling the federal government.

And to be clear, I am not suggesting all dissenters have racist motives, only that it is definitely framed this way. We know this because of how Trump framed Mexicans as wild animals destroying our culture. In reality, we have been deporting illegals that commit serious crimes (I don't consider being illegal a serious crime) for years. Obama deported 3 million of them.

There are more Mexicans leaving than coming in.

> Neither you nor I have any idea how people would react to Canadians illegally crossing the border and living in the states.

I am 100% certain that it would be framed far differently and stick less seriously among the population, especially the racist citizens. I can take that to the bank.
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Jarvis Cusslehall - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:02:16 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.389666 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389655
>>Regardless of whether it 'hurts' the nation or not, illegal immigration is currently illegal and thus, is enforced.
>>Argument from legalism
While I won't question that it IS enforced, I would question whether it ought to be enforced along this line of reasoning: was it morally justified to oppose the laws maintaining slavery while they were still on the books? If a law is unethical or unconstitutional, the citizens have a responsibility to protest it and urge their representatives about it, the enforcement branch has a responsibility to minimize enforcement and agitate for change within their command structure, the courts have the responsibility to challenge and overturn aspects of the supporting law, and the lawmakers have the responsibility to change the law. If any part of that mechanism doesn't play ball, the rest have to push on it.

That something is a law is not a sufficient justification for its existence in a constitutional republic.
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Nicholas Snodbanks - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:15:13 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389668 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389666
Better articulation than my reply.


Nobody is wrong by Nigel Dazzleham - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:55:26 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389467 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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You can no longer turn around and blame people, even if they voted against their self-interests and expect to win elections.
Nobody is at fault because they voted for Trump.

It is Trump's fault and it is our elected officials, fault for everything they choose to do in this country. As citizens, we only vote for them.


Voting is our only obligation so then we must ask ourselves why do people vote for things that harm them? Also, why would we support a party that is either too smart or too incompetent to convince people NOT to vote against their own self-interests.

Do we want to support a government that cannot communicate complex ideas simply enough for white working class men to understand?

We only vote, our responsibility ends there. I am not responsible for poor people giving their money away to the ultra-rich. I am not responsible for failing to communicate to poor people the complexities of health care and insurance in a way that can be understood without having a degree in political science.

I am not responsible for failing to communicate my idea effectively enough so that they can't be twisted and turned to scare poor people into voting for the other party.
I am not responsible for one party speaking stupidly enough and lying in order to win over votes.

All I am responsible for is how I vote. The parties are responsible for everything else.
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Jarvis Wommlehark - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:32:52 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.389622 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>OP-desu!
>Our only responsibility is to vote!
>Literally everything else is the government's fault!
And that is why you and your cronies will never be a big help in altering how this country works for the better. Just like the anarcho-whatever movements who are demanding an entirely different voting structure but can't find a single way of actually trying to make that happen.
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Betsy Buttingped - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:50:40 EST ID:b2+Yo/sQ No.389648 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389622
I was being facetious you stupid, ugly, worthless piece of human garbage :-)
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Eugene Brovingstone - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 01:14:10 EST ID:VLZSAHSu No.389654 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389622
They're working towards that now with neighborhood based groups and annual spokescouncils, sorta the dual power strategy. Its intentionally including people of all stripes instead of secret club anarcho-whatevers only. We'll see how effective (or not) it is in a good while.
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Barnaby Hishson - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:07:02 EST ID:X8esPtoC No.389660 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389648
Oh. Well, fuck.
Is it weird I imagined Asuka saying your statement?

>>389654
I'm familiar with what you speak, and I actually totally support it. See, I check out so many groups of people, and I've seen the two sides of the anarchy movements; anarchists repairing their towns and protecting their communities, and anarchists destroying property and banks and inciting violence against Trump supporters and such.

There's always 2 sides to a movement. More than 2, really. Like, look at BLM. On one hand you've got black people trying to make the world a better place for other black people, while on the other hand you've got black people trying to make the world a worse place for white people, one of them even going so far as to shoot like a dozen cops from a rooftop.

Activism is so retarded. On one hand, it's about helping. Yet, on the other hand, it's about being angry and violent. And sadly, it seems as though the latter has become more of a norm, especially seeing as most activists these days seem to have almost no stake in what they're being an activist for. I have a staunch belief that if you aren't directly involved in what's going on, don't become an activist about it because you're definitely going to do something wrong and not realize it since you're so far removed from the reality of the situation you can't form a real, objective opinion.
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Thomas Sollerstock - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:58:08 EST ID:Tcte88KQ No.389672 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389660
>I have a staunch belief that if you aren't directly involved in what's going on...
That is such a flawed way of thinking.


Honestly wondering by Jenny Horringwut - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:39:02 EST ID:zFzMSPLC No.389599 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How is Trump racist? Why is he that bad?
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Hugh Sebbleridge - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:34:57 EST ID:3RUZOfcK No.389624 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389601

He has also regularly implied that every single African American neighborhood is a crime infested shithole, which is patently offensive to the African American middle and upper class.
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Ernest Sinningstark - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 12:17:47 EST ID:9k6SLa8o No.389628 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389620
>But is there any definitive proof Trump is racist?
>Pft no. None at all.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/27/hillary-clinton/true-hillary-clinton-says-federal-government-sued-/
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Oliver Gillystuck - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:32:27 EST ID:Vwoc9qnJ No.389639 Ignore Report Quick Reply
not gonna bother. we did this a bazillion times during the election with the same result everytime. anti-trump side provides a bunch of damning cases illustrating this, pro-trump side just says, "that's not enough," no matter how damning the evidence.

>>389605
>big deal
>sarcasm, deflection, misderection, and outright denial
case in point.
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Sidney Nenningpore - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:13:51 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389641 Ignore Report Quick Reply
From Mafia Don: Donald Trumps 40 years of Mob Ties (Wriiten a year before election).

"The case of the undocumented immigrant workers
For example, Mr. Trump recently took issue with one of the other Republican
candidates who brought up that Trump had hired illegal immigrants to work on the
Trump Tower project. The incident happened in 1980 when Trump was demol-
ishing the Bonwit Teller building to make way for Trump Tower. Eventually Trump
was found guilty and made to pay four million dollars over it. Mr. Trump’s rebuttal

to this in the debate was that “things were different then” and “it all worked out
fine.” (Meaning he got his project built cheaper because of being able to pay the
illegal immigrant laborers less.)
Maybe he’s right about things being different then, but they couldn’t have been
that different if he was found guilty and made to pay such a stiff fine.
In any event, let’s allow that almost every builder in New York at the time would
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Edward Pickstock - Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:51:06 EST ID:nSpV6TpJ No.389658 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Zam8cqth8


Big troll thread by Sophie Fusslestirk - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 15:32:07 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389496 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How do you reconcile your political beliefs (left-wing nanny-state or right-wing puritanical state) with your political actions (i.e, candidates you support)? I'm guessing most of the people in the USA here voted for Trump or Hillary or whomever, but that candidate - at least on the surface - takes a staunch "anti-drug" stance.

Shouldn't we be more vocal about making candidates support decriminalization and legalization of drugs, on all areas of the spectrum? It seems on both sides the "leaders" of the left and right both agree on being against this, which is a huge problem for progress.

All too often I hear some right winger railing about how "bleeding heart liberals are ruining dope" while simultaneously sucking the cock of Hitler who would ultimately consider them a weed-smoking/dope-slamming degenerate. An act of profound stupidity.

Similarly, the lefties don't acknowledge the invasive piss-test rehab that we put drug offenders through nor the center-left's ardent support of the "drug war" (at least in the USA) and the horrors it has inflicted.


I'm tired of hypocrisy from everybody and political people trying to claim drug use as their particular political belief's chic.

I personally believe we should immediately free all non-violent drug offenders, reinstate their voting rights, legalize weed at least and decriminalize all drugs, and offer state-run rehab programs for those who want out and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

Where are the candidates that support decriminalization and legalization? (not limited to the USA)

How can we mobilize together, centrists, lefties and righties, to achieve the goals of decriminalization, clemency, normalization and legalization?
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Samuel Sellyhood - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 03:14:27 EST ID:VLZSAHSu No.389572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389544
> I'm proposing what would be considered in parliamentary terms a "coalition,"
Maybe if there were more than two major parties in the US or if the smaller third parties had significant presence in state and federal congresses, then a coalition of parties may work. Even then, as in Europe, there is still a disparity of influence over policy-making, albeit a more representative one.

Mandated representatives might help, if they say they'll support a certain policy when running, such as drug decriminalization, then they have to support the policy when they're in office. Perhaps also intentional voting blocs that coalesce around specific issues. For example telling each candidate if they don't support this issue they wont be voted for. If multiple candidates support the same issue then I guess a different issue would determine who'd be voted for.
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Shit Gippermet - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:25:03 EST ID:WGJCZiJE No.389584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389572
This guy is actually very correct. U.S. politics is fucked. The GOP and the DNC are both already coalitions of very different interests. The two party system is fucked, because it weakens the abilities of coalitions to form across party lines.
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David Sinnerwell - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:02:37 EST ID:deLgIbRQ No.389596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389496
>with your political actions (i.e, candidates you support)

That's the problem with the USA now. The extent of 99% of people's political actions is candidates they support or maybe $5/month to the Sierra Club.

Change will only occur when people are willing to do more, by taking consistant, strategic actions against things they feel need to change, be stopped, or be altered. Politicians are ignorant ("the internet is a series of tubes!") and represent themselves and the wealty, not the greater nation. Action must be taken and communities must be built by people of large scales that are strategic and can stand against that which is causing such widespread poverty and destruction of the environment.

Also, social media is shit and a cancer on us all
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Samuel Sellyhood - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:20:38 EST ID:VLZSAHSu No.389597 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389584
True that. Although there are exceptions to partisanship, like the blue dogs, conservative Democrats who occasionally break with the party-line to vote in favor of a Republican bill. Been plenty of ideological shifts within both major parties as well, pic related.

>>389596
>Action must be taken and communities must be built by people on large scales
Yes! This is the next movement (i hope), connecting existing organizations and networks and building new ones based in neighborhoods. i.e. the Neighborhood Action Councils: https://portlandassembly.com/wp-content/uploads/NAC-GUIDE.pdf

>Politicians [..] represent themselves and the wealthy, not the greater nation.
Definitely an important elaboration, see Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens: https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

Someone posted a good counter to the above essay awhile back, calling into question the accuracy of the data, because reasons. Anyone know what that was?
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Nicholas Ducklebanks - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:41:02 EST ID:NY3ouz89 No.389629 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389584
I agree completely. We are going up against the two-party system and a hidden coalition within them (the "drug-free/drug-war" coalition) which is what makes these goals so difficult.
>>389572
Getting to the point where it's possible to support decriminalization or mandate your candidate supports it without being investigated by the FBI for drug trafficking seems key.

>>389597
The so-called "blue dogs" and other socially conservative democrats could be seen as just a big an obstacle as the Republican base.

There are libertarian-leaning republicans out there who might support clemency, decriminalization, and legalization but few have the balls to speak out about it.


We need socialists who practice what they preach! by Lydia Bimblefoot - Wed, 15 Mar 2017 15:39:30 EST ID:Yiq0urtO No.389339 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Goddamn, I can't believe it. Even Drumpf pays more tax than Bernie, who was my choice.

We need real liberals, not these sacks of shit.
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Graham Billinghood - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:24:31 EST ID:cBPyNYtq No.389456 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389366
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Graham Billinghood - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:27:34 EST ID:cBPyNYtq No.389457 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389405
guess who took office in 09 and had all those bail outs.
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David Sinnerwell - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:43:47 EST ID:deLgIbRQ No.389594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>389339

>We need real liberals

Liberals suck just as much as the right wing politicians. We need self governing communities and bio-regions that are smaller and more centered on the resources they are able to sustainably produce and grow, instead of hyper-globalization and politicians.

Death to politicians!
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David Sinnerwell - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:45:52 EST ID:deLgIbRQ No.389595 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389594
Also, OP seems like bait, trying to incite rage from the right
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Jenny Horringwut - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:24:53 EST ID:zFzMSPLC No.389598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389360
severely underrated post


Google starts flagging offensive content in search results by Phyllis Shittingford - Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:31:17 EST ID:bVaUMN7o No.389500 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>With growing criticism over misinformation in search results, Google is taking a harder look at potentially "upsetting" or "offensive" content, tapping humans to aid its computer algorithms to deliver more factually accurate and less inflammatory results.
>The humans are Google's 10,000 independent contractors who work as what Google calls quality raters. They are given searches based on real queries to score the results, and they operate based on guidelines provided by Google.
>On Tuesday they were handed a new one: to hunt for "Upsetting-Offensive" content such as hate or violence against a group of people, racial slurs or offensive terminology, graphic violence including animal cruelty or child abuse or explicit information about harmful activities such as human trafficking, according to guidelines posted by Google.
>The goal: to steer people with queries such as "did the Holocaust happen" to trustworthy websites and not to websites that engage in falsehoods or hate speech.

Archive link is messy:
https://archive.fo/CJF3H

Alternatives to Google
https://startpage.com/
https://ixquick.eu
https://searx.me/

Alternative to Youtube:
https://vid.me
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Nell Billingshit - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 11:54:28 EST ID:U19RSd5a No.389587 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389583
Yeah, and Kirt can delete every board except /cd/ and /jenk/. Just because somebody can do something doesn't mean you shouldn't oppose it.

Google is the biggest search engine in the world, it's how most people find shit. Propagandizing it isn't okay with me and I don't care if it's a private company or not.
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Edwin Fuckingshit - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:56:06 EST ID:8Jh2i/ky No.389589 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389587
It's also prohibited to post blatant racism, other hatespeech and dox here and mods will delete it. (Not if they are anything but lax on enforcing it though).
That is basically what google is doing.

They don't want their search results to be astroturfed by fucking NAZIS, get a hold of yourself. And if they hire a bunch of people from Bangladesh or let an algorithm delete them, the end result is the same.
The only difference is the irrational fear of AI coming from crank sites. The solution: stop reading crank.
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Archie Fallerdock - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:08:42 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.389591 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389587

'If You're Not Paying, You're The Product"

Zuckerberg covered this as well when he said as much: if you don't like the way we run Facebook, don't use it.

Now, since Google is a Publicly Traded company, you can become a shareholder and make your feelings heard at the shareholder meetings. Other than that, stop using Gmail or any Google services.
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Oliver Blonderbury - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:11:27 EST ID:WQQ+NOb5 No.389592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389587
but this is /pol/ not /privateenterprise/

also, you oppose google by using duck duck go. their shareholders won't give a rat's ass until the bottomline starts dwindling.
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Frederick Bunstone - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:18:34 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.389593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389592
>>Thinks when he doesn't search on google it affects their bottom line
>>Is giving advice on 'private enterprise'
O-kay.


Drain that Swamp! by Charles Sizzlebot - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:08:19 EST ID:D3IZqUk/ No.389458 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I seriously can't believe that idiots thought he would drain the swamp. They trusted him to betray his own social group, ie rich fucks, in favor of poor people he obviously views as inferior to himself. As the rest of us expected, he's installed industry shills in every important part of the government. This is a golden age for the exploiters.

>Other expressions of relief came from investors and executives in the pharmaceutical industry. They see Gottlieb as one of their own, with good reason. He has served on advisory boards or held directorships at six drug manufacturing companies at least, and received substantial stipends from many more.

>From 2013 through 2015 — the extent of a database maintained by the Department of Health and Human Services — Gottlieb received some $413,700 received from drug companies for consulting, speaking or other services. In 2015 alone, he collected $199,951 from eight drug companies, including GlaxoSmithKline, Squibb, Pfizer and Valeant. All are likely to have regulatory business with the FDA in coming years.

>Gottlieb also is a venture partner at the investment firm New Enterprise Associates, which claims current investments in 50 biopharma firms, 29 medical device firms and 21 healthcare services firms.

>So it shouldn’t come as a surprise that Big Pharma will be happy to have Gottlieb on board. “Thank God it's Gottlieb," investment analyst Brian Skorney of Robert W. Baird & Co. told clients in a research note quoted by Reuters. "We view this as a favorable development for the sector."

>http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-gottlieb-fda-20170315-story.html
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Clara Blazzlestone - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:44:50 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389465 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389463
You have a point. It's just frustration. People in my own family straight face support him and never admit he's fucking up.

Some people aren't reachable. The best thing we can do is call our reps and tell them that gerrymandering is very important to us. This is partly why we have the system that we have. It's what allowed Repubs to take so much power and what allowed Repubs to bulwark Obama so much.

Other than getting out there and protesting and reaching those that can be reached, theres nothing much to do other than to inform ourselves and complain. It what prevents me from losing my marbles or becoming apathetic to the insanity.

What else can be done? We can hope to regain seats in 2018. We can possibly apply pressure with this Russia connection and false allegation thing of Trump on wiretapping, but then if he's impeached AND kicked out, we still get Pence who is Saudi Arabia lite. And after that, we have Ryan.
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Clara Blazzlestone - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:53:41 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389466 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389465
Also, there are some Repubs with some sense, but most are using Trump to further their ends. This is too good of an opportunity for them. The silver lining in this is that this presidency may wake many up to how fucked up the Repub party is to the point of such public outrage that repubs will fall in line just to ensure they stay in congress. Less and less want to get involved with this new budget and healthcare. It most likely wont pass because no one with a brain wants to put their signature on these bills.

My hope is that Trumps run is so horrendous and the disenfranchised wakes up and picks someone like Bernie to be their leader and learns their lesson like you say.
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Sidney Pickham - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:18:53 EST ID:HpJPm84P No.389582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389463
>the white working class felt so disenfranchised that this time they voted against their own self-interests.
i think there's a flaw in your logic. you fail to consider that the white working class is interested in racism & bigotry, even at a financial cost to them.
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Nell Billingshit - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 11:58:57 EST ID:U19RSd5a No.389588 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389582
>why arent you considering this thing that's based on nothing, your logic is flawed because you're focusing on reality

nb because goddamn i cant believe you honestly think thats a reasonable stance to hold
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Nicholas Wicklebere - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:56:07 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.389590 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389582
The south has a record of having such an interest (see Goldwater, Wallace), but the working class's racism is just a function of another race being scapegoated as their enemy.
They hate the people who are responsible for their personal financial situation, which they've been told are Mexicans stealing jobs and Blacks driving tax-payer funded Cadillacs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rvoS0qE0oA
This is what we are dealing with,
People who don't believe in global warming because they've been told that such a belief will take away their jobs.
People who voted for Trump because they've been told that he'll give them jobs, but depend on Obamacare afford healthcare


Trump's Budget Proposal by Wesley Granddock - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:09:09 EST ID:I3FnSNZB No.389407 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So Trump's budget is come out. Pretty standard Republican budget of cut everything that helps poor/working poor, pump the military etc.

It doesn't got after Medicare/Medicaid or Social Security which is usually part of their play. Trump did promise to keep these intact during his campaign.

Most likely this thing is DOA even with a Republican Congress because too many of the people hurt will be poor, rural whites (aka Trump voters). It also just offsets spending not really cuts the overall budget.

Biggest cuts is EPA (-31%), State Department (-29%) Department of Labor and the Department of Agriculture (-21% each).

Defense gets a +10% ($53 billion) and homeland security gets $2.8 billion.

Full list here:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/15/us/politics/trump-budget-proposal.html
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William Cacklesen - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:09:57 EST ID:h19uLDR2 No.389566 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389565

>peak oil is a scam

You're right, we'll continue to discover new oil reservoirs forever, because oil is an infinite resource.
Are you daft?
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Augustus Hammlechug - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:17:43 EST ID:N7VKcDhz No.389567 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389566
Nla6yjir is a troll and says ridiculous shit on purpose. search his code. i had to have it pointed out to me as well in the gerrymandering thread.
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Martha Babbleridge - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 04:30:27 EST ID:cBPyNYtq No.389574 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389566
it's not as if the process of making oil can't be replicated artificially.
Diamonds are pretty similar. Carbon, pressure, heat.
Oil. dead fucking animals, pressure, heat.

It would be pretty fucking metal if our dead were used to fuel our fiery engines of death. Soilent 1 motor oil.
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Sophie Turveyhall - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 07:23:56 EST ID:sUBj56yv No.389577 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389574
That'd be a MASSIVELY energy negative thing to do.
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Nicholas Wicklebere - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 07:47:03 EST ID:0B9qh6RW No.389578 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>389574
>Oil. dead fucking animals, pressure, heat.
Oil gets its energy from all that heat and pressure.
Burning a dead body produces as much energy as converting it to oil and then burning it would, assuming literally everything is at 100% efficiency.

If we are only going to be getting the energy you've put into synthesizing the fuel back, we'll probably use hydrogen, a simple hydrocarbon, ethanol, or a battery.


Democrats Pick Perez, Set To Lose On Purpose All Over Again by Hannah Gizzlelock - Sun, 26 Feb 2017 12:40:16 EST ID:i1eo8CqX No.388457 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Establishment-Pick-Tom-Perez-Elected-DNC-Chair-20170225-0006.html
>Former Labor Secretary Tom Perez was elected as the chair of the Democratic National Committee, DNC, on Saturday, defeating Rep. Keith Ellison.
>The son of Dominican immigrants is seen by many as an establishment pick. Receiving support from former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, Perez supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership, TPP, and believes the 2016 Democratic Primary was not rigged against Sen. Bernie Sanders.
>Perez, who was born and raised in Buffalo, New York, was seen as the preferred choice for Obama and former Democratic Party presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
>Ellison, the first Muslim elected to the U.S. Congress, was backed by progressives within the party, including Sanders and Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren.
>Prior to Perez's election, members voted to reject a measure that would have restored a ban on corporate lobbyists donating to the party. A number of speakers were present at the vote, urging the party to unify.

So after suffering the biggest and most embarrassing electoral defeat in American history - specifically because they spat all over their progressive wing to embrace the establishment in an anti-establishment election - the Democrats once again choose the corporate establishment over the rank-and-file. Just as it looked like the Sanders candidate would rise on an unexpected tide of enthusiasm, the Clinton candidate slides in at the last moment to snatch everything away, this times with the help of the Israel hasbara squad.

Make no mistake: the Clinton wing of the party would rather lose forever than let this country shift even a little bit to the right. They are losing on purpose, and it is getting obscene.
https://newrepublic.com/article/140847/case-tom-perez-makes-no-sense
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Hannah Sumblebury - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:04:16 EST ID:ocfgTAf6 No.389434 Ignore Report Quick Reply
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-popular-politician-in-the-us-bernie-sanders-fox-news-poll-2017-3

Meanwhile in reality, multiple polls showed Hillary with only a 3 point lead give or take 3 given margin of error. With that in mind, the polls accurately predicted exactly what happened in the election. Over to Bernie, most polls gave him a 10-15 point lead against Trump. Trump and Bernie both campaigned against the TPP, so it's hard to see Bernie losing in the Rust Belt like Hillary did. This was about the anti-establishment and who was the most anti-establishment. Trump was a poser, or the Regressive Populist, while Bernie was the true progressive populist. It was easy for Trump to out establishment Hillary, but very hard against Bernie as America favors Bernie's policies overwhelmingly. Bernie is the face of American ideals that even Republicans agree with him.

Bernie is an old fellow so maybe Tulsi Gabbard will be his protege.
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Edwin Turveyshit - Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:07:18 EST ID:sMjBd+5i No.389435 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389433
>When 'grab her by the pussy' came out he wouldn't have spent weeks talking about how misogynistic Trump is, he would've talked about putting Americans back to work.
As evidenced by the fact that he did just that at that point in time.

It should also be noted that many of the "wrong" polls were still within the +/- margin of error.
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Martha Billerkedge - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 15:26:57 EST ID:DLnSfaoh No.389551 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389435
Which ones?
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Isabella Ceblinghall - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:11:41 EST ID:Kt73vXZm No.389563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>388515
If they mobilize black communities in the South and actually help them get registered and to the polls in real numbers, they could really chip away in certain parts of the South.

Not to take for granted, of course, but black voters are reliably Democrat in most cases, and the South has the largest portion share of black voters as part of the total state population of any part of the country.

A lot of time it's a matter of logistical (Working multiple jobs so no time to vote/Family only has one car to go anywhere so they can't make it to the polls) issues or lack of voter education (Not registered, don't know their precinct, etc.)
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Frederick Bunstone - Mon, 20 Mar 2017 02:30:56 EST ID:wCbmVqz0 No.389571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>389563
Unfortunately, there's more to it than that especially in the South. Black people are quite mobilized and naturally have a much stronger racial consciousness than in other parts of the US, but have virtually no representation on state legislatures. Thus they will always be gerrymandered into oblivion. Honestly I don't see the political situation in the South changing for at least several more decades, it may be irredeemable into perpetuity. Source: from the shithole in question


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