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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated March 22)
LUA by Nathaniel Creffingfetch - Mon, 07 Nov 2016 19:02:44 EST ID:imZrmU2Q No.36284 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How do I trigger a script by pressing 2 buttons at the same time?

function OnEvent(event, arg)
if IsMouseButtonPressed(4) then
repeat

until not IsMouseButtonPressed(4)
end
end

is what i have now but I would like to be able to have the script trigger when I press mousebutton 1 + mousebutton 3
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Angus Greendock - Wed, 09 Nov 2016 20:45:19 EST ID:imZrmU2Q No.36292 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36291

its for a g502 mouse the game i am using it in cannot detect these scripts nor would they even bother trying to.
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Reuben Dissleson - Fri, 11 Nov 2016 08:30:38 EST ID:8AGoqQnQ No.36295 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36292
i've never used lua, but, wouldn't this be as simple as
if isMouseButtonPressed(1) and isMouseButtonPressed(2)
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Simon Bennermig - Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:51:25 EST ID:uJY5Antv No.36300 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Who is that cute girl?


Connect me to the IoT by Eliza Tillingdock - Thu, 29 Sep 2016 04:30:17 EST ID:kp+BhG+A No.36205 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey /prog/,
In the Internet of Things, how do people get all these devices connected to their internet? Do the devices need a keyboard interface of some sort so users can enter their wifi info? I just don't understand how you can achieve connectivity without having some local relay that handles the internet part for you - which seems ridiculous...
I'm just trying to get a nightlight connected and it seems ludicrous to have to program a display and pushbuttons just for password entry. I hope I'm missing something
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Shitting Blythecocke - Thu, 29 Sep 2016 18:01:57 EST ID:cyPUa9oe No.36211 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36209
I don't even know where to start with you. Everything about this is retarded. Buy a kit from Sparkfun and follow some tutorials or something. That sounds like more your speed.
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Sophie Gunkinbury - Sat, 01 Oct 2016 20:02:10 EST ID:WLOo3E7i No.36216 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36209
>comes here looking for an actual technical solution to something
Try /tech/
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Reuben Dissleson - Fri, 11 Nov 2016 08:28:34 EST ID:8AGoqQnQ No.36294 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP, one way to do it would be to have your device connect to your phone via bluetooth, then do the wifi setup for your device from your phone. You could make a simple app for this, or you could just use a pre made app to send information across bluetooth.


Excel and Java by Cornelius Gandlewill - Mon, 31 Oct 2016 23:05:50 EST ID:AuWKAElz No.36269 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I work as an administrative assistant for a life insurance agent so I need to make calls to clients and keep a somewhat detailed record (in the form of an excel file such as pic related). Is there a way I can create a program, preferably in java, which extrapolates data from the individual sheets into a single cohesive database which I can make a GUI for to search for specific phone number, name, etc. and see the results associated with it? My Java skills are basic to moderate but if you point me in the right direction, I'll probably get how to do it. thanks y'all
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Nell Bollerhitch - Thu, 03 Nov 2016 13:56:07 EST ID:AuWKAElz No.36278 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36275
I'm going to look into your second suggestion and probably just write and read the files in excel. What I wanted to do though is read the information from the files into a map or list of 'client'-data type objects that have their first and last name as well as the date and time called and also the results of that call. That way I can make a program through which I search a client's name and it uses the name as a key for the map and returns the associated information, you feel?
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Nell Bollerhitch - Thu, 03 Nov 2016 13:56:43 EST ID:AuWKAElz No.36279 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36275
I mostly just want to do it for a fun project because I'm taking an intro java course at my cc right now
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Ebenezer Mavingshit - Thu, 03 Nov 2016 15:11:53 EST ID:gEtE4wNA No.36280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36278
Sure, go wild with it, making something practical is a great way to learn. Just start with figuring out how to read excel files in Java and go from there. Then you can dive into the world of relational databases, so you can run SQL queries on your data, maybe you wanna do different queries, like look for a client by phone number, or find all the appointments for next thursday, or whatever.
SQLite is a great starting point, single file database so you won't have to worry about setting up a server and all that stuff, just focus on learning SQL.


Python, Celery and threading/async by Phineas Pattingfun - Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:36:00 EST ID:gEtE4wNA No.36274 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey
What is a good proper way to asynchronously run multiple http requests from within a celery task?
Some background; I am coding a web API with Flask, when the API receives a request it spins up a celery task in the background.
The celery task itself needs to run several (>100) outbound web requests, and the problem is, the whole process is too slow. But since most of the waiting time is just waiting for web requests to return, what I want to do is run some of those requests in parallel to speed things up.

I know how to use multiprocessing.ThreadPool and whatnot, but how would this work if I have a bunch of celery workers spawning multiple threads at the same time? I don't wanna kill the server if I get a spike in traffic, and I assume if I throw some of those requests over to one of the other celery workers (nest the tasks) I'll end up with a deadlock.
Can I have something like a shared threadpool across all celery workers, or what is the proper way to handle this?

Thanks
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Jack Mungergold - Wed, 02 Nov 2016 23:10:00 EST ID:2i397rxA No.36276 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If you're asking a question like this, I would tell you to stay away from the multiprocessing module. Eventlets are probably what you want. If you're worried about the thread count or network resources, mock it up and try to run the server into the ground before you over engineer anything. The more realistic concern is probably rate limiting with third party services. I'll bet you can do that more confidently with Redis than what Celery gives you out of the box.
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Ebenezer Mavingshit - Thu, 03 Nov 2016 08:59:50 EST ID:gEtE4wNA No.36277 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36276
The main reason I'm using celery is because the requests are gonna be coming in through a mobile app from users who are potentially on shoddy connections, so requiring to keep an open http request for >30 seconds doesn't seem very reliable. So once I get the request, I just send it off to celery and respond right back with a task ID and the app polls for the result every x seconds.

I'm looking into gevent and eventlet right now, sounds like it's what I need. Should give me some concurrency, without out the complications of spawning multiple threads on each celery worker. Then if I can speed things up enough, I might not even need celery at all.


its not about the language, just the logic by Lydia Pevingridge - Mon, 24 Oct 2016 08:33:25 EST ID:CRO9Njb3 No.36253 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Fuck moving shit from one language to another.

building a universal translator for this shit.
so im going to pass everything to, lets say a .txt file since it's universal as shit.

what's a comparable attempt at this? I need to see where they stopped on the path of it being a truely universal translation.
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Phoebe Sammerstone - Mon, 24 Oct 2016 17:10:28 EST ID:xLz8+Ihk No.36259 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36253
I used to work for a modernization/migration company.
We would take your existing source code, parse it into a language agnostic model, then convert it to a language specific model, then generate into the new language. For example we'd parse COBOL, put it in a transitional model, then translate that model to any other language you wanted, i.e. C++. The process seems like voodoo, and it basically fits your idea of a universal language. Trans-piling is something different.
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Hannah Denkinfeck - Tue, 25 Oct 2016 21:12:18 EST ID:fI0+sbkd No.36260 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36253
You do realize that all programs ultimately run on one of three(-ish) instruction sets, right? And that all three of those could be mapped to a turing machine?

What problem are you trying to solve?
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Basil Blollypadging - Fri, 28 Oct 2016 22:41:35 EST ID:gA3E5l0l No.36268 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I am inclined to say that this is impossible. First of all, some languages have referential transparency while some do not, so any universal translator will need to "understand" what it's translating in a relatively deep way. For anything that touches memory directly you have not one model of computation but many depending on what type of machine the program is being run on and what state it's in. For purely functional languages you could spew out an equivalent program in a different purely functional language, but that program might not have anywhere near the same meaning to a human programmer, since in general there are many sources that compute the same function.

Actually, this might just reduce to the halting problem. If I had a universal program translator then it would send source code for a program that does not halt to source code for another (equivalent) program that does not halt. However, we know by the halting problem that there is no finite-length program which can make this determination in a finite amount of time, so the universal translator cannot exist.


Could i be a proffessional programmer? by Martha Cribberpit - Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:47:22 EST ID:smMtB5CL No.36249 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I work in a McJob. I had to control key lends of a building and send email when the badge arrives.
I made a program in Java, that reads the excel file .xlsx with the key numbers and name and put it on a sqlite3 db.
I don't have access to the enterprise database, so II use a webscrapping lib to get the name of the employee by the internal id.
It was possible to play with sql and get some usefull stuff as search for people or keys. All employee was registered with date/hour that got the key, when got it and when delivered.

About the badge, I made a program that reads the input of a badge reader, that I found on reception deskt. Remember I used a web scrapping lib? I got the number of the badge, figure out how to get the registry by the badge number, search the website of intranet got the name and email. Put the email on a sender list and set the program to open a new email, openniing the default email program, calling all to get the new badge with a default message. Much less painful than typing all emails.


I think that my MVC wasn't very good, but it worked like a charm.
The ugliest code was on webscrapping because it was try and error, since the site didn't named any tags!

Do you think I could work coding? I'm I good programmer? I do it just for fun and hobby.
I don't know how professional programmers job is.
In level of difficulty, what my program is?
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Charlotte Dishkud - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 03:27:30 EST ID:27ni4VQG No.36261 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> I think that my MVC wasn't very good
Does your program have a UI? Did you even try to separate the UI into a logical model, presentation and user interaction components?

If not, you're not doing MVC. That's not necessarily bad, if you don't have a UI, you don't need it anyway. Don't be a framework fanboy that has to tick off all the buzzwords on every project.

It sounds like you could work as a coder. I've worked with people who couldn't do as much on their own. Why not apply for a job as a junior/trainee programmer? You'll get trained much quicker in the trenches than experimenting on your own.
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Hedda Snodhood - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 07:18:49 EST ID:xLz8+Ihk No.36262 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36261
Probably means MVP


Facebook by St - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:49:39 EST ID:ntxuGVLh No.36263 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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How can I get someone to unblock me on Facebook.
The girl took my virginity I need to talk to her
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Basil Bobbermotch - Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:09:01 EST ID:rBqpmoLn No.36264 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You've never had sex don't fucking lie to us OP
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Beatrice Buzzdock - Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:49:24 EST ID:CUa5MQaI No.36265 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36263
>The girl took my virginity I need to talk to her

Why, do you need her to give it back?
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Nell Sablinghall - Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:35:16 EST ID:xLz8+Ihk No.36266 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36263
Wow, you must have been a shit lay.



python noob by Alice Shakeforth - Mon, 22 Aug 2016 04:28:41 EST ID:w6YT+uIi No.36039 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Give me a good noob programmers book to programming in Python 3

im rusty since i havent programmed since highschool

a link to a torrent or a link to an online site would be appreciated
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Archie Bosslewell - Tue, 18 Oct 2016 02:50:22 EST ID:fdIwp4pX No.36247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Python is an awesome language, however I would not wish it on my worst enemy as a first language. Yes, it's easy to understand and the syntax is logical. Yes, many things are vastly simplified by how easy they are to implement with just a few lines of code. However:

The community sucks, the tutorials suck, and the flexibility sucks.

Everybody wants to force on you their way of doing things but they never explain their reasoning(which is usually wrong or just a preference anyway).

Tutorials are bad for this reason also, and there's a very limited selection of them.

There's not much you can do on a learner's level besides print Fibonacci

Want to make a game? Learn new syntax using shit libraries
Want to make a gui? Learn new syntax using shit libraries.
Portability and multiple platforms? Nightmare.
Multiple "official" python versions = Libraries incompatible, tutorials inconsistent
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Esther Dipperhane - Tue, 18 Oct 2016 08:08:09 EST ID:9QSfnS0r No.36248 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36247
Python just isn't a language that is widely used for game development.

In scientific computing and somewhat in the web backend development things look quite different. For web development you can pretty much choose any language that is widely used enough.

Python is the best tool if you want to write your own command line utility and to generate and manipulate data that is stored to be used by another program.
Want to calculate a lookup table for rgb LEDs based on spectrometer images?
Want to parse a logfile for certain error messages?
Call a web API or scrape some data?
Need to generate some proprietary XML like file format?

All things python is simply the best tool.


If you want to use python in game development properly you can, using ctypes and C/C++. Write the game logic in python and the engine and game loop in C/C++.
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Graham Hecklebury - Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:31:07 EST ID:CUa5MQaI No.36250 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>36039

Invent Computer Games With Python is a pretty good book for beginners, and you can read it all online for free on their website (https://inventwithpython.com/chapters/). It's focused on writing simple games, but the stuff you learn can be applied to anything else, and writing games is a very rewarding way to learn programming IMO.

Now I'll start unnecessarily editorializing: Python is decent as an introductory language, just to learn the very basics of programming like conditional statements and loops and arrays, but if you already know that stuff (and it seems like you do) you should just jump right into something like C++ or Java because there's vital stuff you need to learn there that you won't learn with Python; dealing with static typing, memory management, optimization, etc. And as much as it tries not to be, Python is pretty lenient and lets you get away with doing a lot of stuff you shouldn't do and you'll end up having to get out of a lot of bad habits. Same thing happened to me when I first started programming in BASIC (I'm old) - when I moved on to Pascal and C++ I had to unlearn all the stupid things BASIC let me do.


Learning HTML/CSS/JS for UX/UI Design? by Polly Garrywire - Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:17:39 EST ID:Wfn6QLML No.36212 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Is it worth it to learn HTML/CSS/JS/jQ if i wanted to design user interfaces and do human-computer interaction shit as a career? Or could I get away with just Adobe Creative Suite and mockup tools like Balsamiq or Axure?
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Emma Sottingpure - Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:34:53 EST ID:cyPUa9oe No.36213 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In addition to being the lingua franca of structured design, you really don't want to lock yourself into a bunch of proprietary shit.
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Molly Pecklefudge - Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:44:53 EST ID:bQyU08lo No.36244 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36213
> you really don't want to lock yourself into a bunch of proprietary shit

considering proprietary shit is the only thing used in industry, there's not really an issue with locking yourself in
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Fucking Gockledirk - Mon, 17 Oct 2016 18:52:12 EST ID:l4yKp8I5 No.36245 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36244
I wasn't aware UX was an industry unto itself.


D is cool by Nell Sidgelan - Mon, 10 Oct 2016 19:38:59 EST ID:CUa5MQaI No.36241 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I started messing around with D recently and I have to say, I really like it. I tried Go before this and it's pretty awful, it's like a dumbed down, verbose version of C for the retarded web 2.0 cloud computing generation. But D seems like it could be a worthy contender to C++ if people were interested enough in it (but unfortunately they're not and never will be)
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Fucking Shakewell - Mon, 10 Oct 2016 20:07:48 EST ID:WegIBFzD No.36242 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I don't think anything will unseat C++ as the de facto systems-application language, but I have hopes for Rust. D doesn't look attractive to me.
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Augustus Honeystone - Wed, 12 Oct 2016 17:55:44 EST ID:CUa5MQaI No.36243 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36242

I would like Rust more if it didn't have weird syntax


Imperative was a mistake, OOP was a mistake by Simon Nassleshit - Sat, 05 Dec 2015 21:40:59 EST ID:RGQiywhV No.34856 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Haskell paves the way to the future, though cabal is shit. Something like backpack, which aims at a versioning system which accounts for library functionality rather than human hur-de-dur-I'll-just-increment-this-position versioning is the future. Stack is okay but curating is not good enough unless you have massive involvement.
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Charles Worthingham - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 22:57:24 EST ID:RPCblsN0 No.36166 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36165
No. I'm not going to let you force that shitty meme.
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Cornelius Hallybot - Sun, 09 Oct 2016 12:15:47 EST ID:X7pjqB4m No.36239 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>34969
https://github.com/ghc/ghc/search?q=malloc
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Nell Sidgelan - Mon, 10 Oct 2016 19:10:42 EST ID:CUa5MQaI No.36240 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Haskell is for autistic manbabies


Imageboard by Anon - Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:29:38 EST ID:caKG/2O4 No.36196 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I am looking to learn how to program an imageboard, I would love some help
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Simon Sengerbury - Wed, 28 Sep 2016 13:01:29 EST ID:KqbzNpbE No.36202 Ignore Report Quick Reply
https://www.codecademy.com/learn/php
Pretty sure this is what you want
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Frederick Clayson - Wed, 28 Sep 2016 15:32:41 EST ID:xLz8+Ihk No.36204 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36196
If you're taking input from users and putting it in a database you should bear this in mind;
the user cannot be trusted
the user is an enemy
the user wants to kill you, your family, your database and your webhost
the user wants to spread malware and cp
the user wants to spam their retarded message everywhere
Only when you truly see the user as your mortal foe will you know the user.
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Nathaniel Pedgechadging - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 14:14:02 EST ID:4AC8OQBZ No.36238 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36204
What is this, ReBoot?


Object serialization in C++ by Shitting Bapperhine - Sun, 02 Oct 2016 00:42:54 EST ID:CUa5MQaI No.36217 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I'm writing a tile-based platformer game with SDL. I just wrote a level editor, but the only thing missing is save functionality. I'm pretty new to serialization, the only time I've done it in the past was in a roguelike game I wrote in Python ages ago that used a YAML serialization library, and I've never done it in C++. Everyone says to use Boost, but I'm running Codeblocks on Windows and trying to compile it for that has been nothing but trouble, and all the information I've found on how to do it is out of date. Is there another decent library for serialization, preferably one that has pre-compiled builds available?
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Angus Hiblingstone - Mon, 03 Oct 2016 11:40:38 EST ID:9QSfnS0r No.36224 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Don't use codeblocks, if you want a decent open source c++ IDE get
qt creator
You don't have to use qt with it and are perfectly fine if you're just using SDL.

But honestly if you don't own a premium IDE package doing a full project in C++ is a pain. Why not make the game loop/engine in C++ and use Ctypes and python for the high level stuff. Even more so persisting and serializing data would make much more sense to be done in python.
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Nathaniel Pedgechadging - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 04:11:24 EST ID:4AC8OQBZ No.36236 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36217
OP you should use Visual Studio now that you can get a free version of it that doesn't have all of the features stripped out. It's what most other people use to build large projects on Windows.
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Shitting Bidgeridge - Sat, 08 Oct 2016 07:42:00 EST ID:OheqWBBY No.36237 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Absolutely.

Oh, and don't forget to setup a CI environment, because that's also a must in large projects.


Xamarin app design by Hannah Dogglebed - Tue, 04 Oct 2016 17:38:21 EST ID:ZvbVja19 No.36226 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hello, I've got a project as a paid job. It is basic Android app. I do it in Xamarin. I have no experience with Xamarin whatsoever, but I really need money so I take any jobs. Can you, guys, please help me out with some advice before I start doing it more deeply?

What's it used for?
10+- people in clubs scanning QR codes, that are uploaded to some internet storage in real time under their ID. Purpose is to determine how many QR codes were scanned in each club during the night.

-QR code scanes
code is compared to the list of possible codes and list of existing codes. Which means, code must match the list of possible codes and cannot be scanned more than once.
-code is then sent to some internet storage under curren ID

This is it. Of course I downloaded components for scanning QR codes, some uploader etc.. But I would like to ask some questions on best design possible used for this app.

Log in - Since there is only a certain number of accounts and we don't need any high security. (I higly doubt that some club bouncer would disassemble the app to do some scam) Is it enough and even the best way to authenticate via local database of users? Even so local that the login-password combos would be stored in code?

Now user is logged in and can start scanning.
Scan is successful -
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Basil Honeyham - Wed, 05 Oct 2016 14:10:35 EST ID:9QSfnS0r No.36227 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Hello, I've got a project as a paid job. It is basic Android app. I do it in Xamarin. I have no experience with Xamarin whatsoever,

lol

Also the whole point of qr codes is to just have a short string of numbers, you "upload" the strings using a simple http request and the string url encoded to some endpoint. You store the string using SQL(ite).
The backend then replies with a 201 (created) message if you got an empty result to a simple query and a 409 (conflict) if it's already there.


Again, I'm baffled how you managed to convince somebody to pay you with that little knowledge.
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Basil Honeyham - Wed, 05 Oct 2016 14:29:46 EST ID:9QSfnS0r No.36228 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Also storing anything local doesn't make sense, you have to connect to a sort of service either way to know if the code has been scanned.

Codes can be just a random number stored in a table, but it might turn out that doing it the right way is just as easy (or easier) using
json web tokens
for instance.

I still can't fathom how somebody would pay somebody that clueless for an app that would basically replace 4-6 people's labor, worth 5 figures in reality.
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George Nickleworth - Fri, 07 Oct 2016 15:39:03 EST ID:xLz8+Ihk No.36235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>36226
And I wonder why there is so much shit software around...


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