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why is this graph?

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- Tue, 07 Apr 2020 07:01:42 EST fGHDtkRk No.210034
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I saw this on Wikipedia just now. It's being used to exppain an incredibly simple concept. It's comparing inferior goods (for which the demand goes down as income goes up) with normal goods (for which the demand goes up as income goes up).

That's it.

What purpose does something like this serve then? Anyone who could make sense of this graph could easily grasp something so simple without any illustration at all. It seems far more obfuscatory than anything.
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Archie Pickleway - Sun, 21 Jun 2020 03:40:50 EST dh/GbIQI No.210182 Reply
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I'm farting too loudly while intoxicated. I think you got it.

There's HSN scams on contemporary coins, but there's a way you run a catalog. It comes down to what people are willing to accept. Customers with this stuff had fun, and they started having a lot of fun in 2007 when limited varieties came out.

The way it worked out was that districts were supposed to continue using it, and the gov't was supposed to run taxes on it so that the taxpayer doesn't get scammed.

There's a way you give constructive criticism, and I am insecure about things that I outright refuse to do. I am not going to construct grammatical structures that aren't redistributed. I see what you mean and I will work on the vaugeness.

It seems like the economist brain has trouble with "you" instead of "the customer" and these "x is good hooray hooray" styles of speech.

I'm really unnerved by pretty much everything that you bring up. Replace psychiatric medication with a personal loan on car insurance, help someone by "being good" if you are going to help someone You can have my sorry sorry..
Cornelius Dollykeck - Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:29:12 EST dh/GbIQI No.210210 Reply
markoff chain what like a self perpetuating joke before looking it up who is this markoff chaney guy what is this hey if these 12 different locations that systematically got raided at the same time had anyone waving a metal detector god forbid a paperclip having gotten jammed in the carpet hey i am really pissed off
Shitting Packleham - Sun, 05 Jul 2020 22:41:48 EST dh/GbIQI No.210211 Reply
hey what do you mean by this markoff chaney guy are you saying that you are a fuckward?

How to Abolish the Police: Lessons from Rojava

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- Wed, 03 Jun 2020 11:47:57 EST jgrixynN No.210150
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>The possibilities of establishing hierarchies of power and authority are significantly reduced in this alternative method. The people are the protectors of the people, those that they live with and interact with daily. The proximity of the ‘security forces’ to the community, being drawn from their own neighborhood ensures that violations do not occur. Where they do occur community mechanisms of justice, honor and restoration are immediately activated through the neighborhood communes. Monopoly of this process is further prevented by encouraging everyone to participate through a roster system. Anyone can volunteer. This includes the elderly, particularly women as sources of civil protection. There is nothing empowering, nothing restores the soul of a traumatized, war-torn community than seeing the matriarchs of your neighborhood confidently at street corners wielding ak-47s for the protection of the people. Unlike the terrifying images of police brutality in the US, these images do not inspire fear and terror. They inspire communal confidence, pride, self respect and belonging. Of course, in Rojava the elderly do have to take on more responsibility due to the fact that most of the young men and women have been fighting at the front lines in the war against ISIS terrorists.

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Edward Dingershaw - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 19:12:28 EST 83sd4yiJ No.210196 Reply
shove it up your ass stormfag
Hedda Sonderbark - Sat, 04 Jul 2020 10:40:35 EST wkablpIZ No.210208 Reply
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So the Rojava Information Center recently released what looks to be the most detailed report on the HPC as of yet. The part about drugs can seem weird, but remember that they are in the middle of a civil war and that these things are often connected to literally ISIS or other jihadist groups. I have a friend from Kobane (city in Rojava), who has told me about growing and smoking dude weed and it not being a problem.
>ZE: Now, our members total between 13,000-15,000. The HPC have a presence in all cities and in almost all of the villages in the Jazira region. We work via the communes in the civil society.
>SM: We want to help those women who are being oppressed and who are experiencing difficulties to improve their quality of life. As HPC-Jin we have the right to get involved in anything that concerns women. For example, if a women is being beaten or mistreated by her husband, or if she is being oppressed, we have a right to step in to end the mistreatment of the woman. We also go visit people in civil society and listen to what they have to say and they can tell us what they are struggling with.
>We also give seminars on women’s rights. For example we don’t accept for a man to marry two women, or for underage girls to get married. Usually when a man marries a girl so young they end up divorcing them one or two years later which causes the girl a lot of pain. So this is where we put our foot down. Our duty is to protect the society.

The Mona Lisa is burning.

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- Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:25:24 EST FW4N5vW2 No.209956
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Listen, you can hear it.


Do not look away.

For the Devil knows your fears.
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William Derringbury - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:35:45 EST fGHDtkRk No.210206 Reply
yeah it must be very frustrating to have your most famous work of art be one step above a doodle to you
Nell Berringhall - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:43:53 EST dh/GbIQI No.210207 Reply
yeah if you fuck up your background then you paint over it

it was a practice painting. i'm sorry folks, show's over. stay home.

Looking for abscure symbol

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- Mon, 08 Jun 2020 16:06:38 EST gO6vZ8SZ No.210155
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Im trying to find out what is this grey on white logo in the picture.
Its from a political meme, so I guessed some of you guys might know.

Thank you in advance for your time.

wittgenstein and gender

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- Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:06:55 EST fGHDtkRk No.210192
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Something I'm currently working on, posting for critique. This is a rough draft of only one part of it. I've compiled a dozen or so sources for the claims here but have yet to go through and specifically cite everything and make corrections where necessary.

I rarely see it used this way, but I think the philosophy of Ludwig Wittgenstein is actually very powerful against biological essentialism if you can get someone to accept his premises before relating them to gender. This is particularly useful for convincing people who (pretend to) come from a purely secular background and are claiming to argue against the validity of trans gender identities from a "scientific" point of view.

Rather than arguing from the point of view of later continental philosophers like Derrida and Foucault, who these people ironically have no problem rejecting outright based on what they've heard about them without so much as even listening to what they have to say, arguing from the point of view of the founder (and arguably the most orthodox member) of the positivist, analytic tradition at the very least makes these faux-secularist arguments look as subjective and irrational as they truly are by stripping away the veneer of logic and reason.

[Introduce his philosophy with his "beetle in a box metaphor"]

As paraphrased in a film based on his life: "When you want to know the meaning of a word, don't look inside yourself, look at the uses of the word in our way of life. Look at how we behave". Wittgenstein suggests the only meaning which can be extracted from words is that which can be inferred from how they are used in a given language and that no single comprehensive definition exists for any word. In terms of human experience, this means no concrete "thing" can be said to exist which "causes" anything with-in the realm of internal experience, be it pain, emotions, religious experiences, or gender. "That whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must remain silent (Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus)".

His famous example is the word "game", for which no single definition can be given in the English language (or any language that isn't logically perfect). Instead, he argues, the definitions of words lie in what he calls "families of resemblance". In essence, a word cannot be comprehensively defined such that the definition is true in all instances. The best we can do to define a word is give a list of common traits and say "and that sort of thing" (Philosophical Investigations).

The example that many people might be familiar with from philosophy or psychology class is when it comes to the definition of the word "dog". When asked what a dog is, you might say it's a creature with fur, four legs, two ears, which barks, has a tail, and loves meat, but a dog could just as easily be hairless, three-legged, one-eared, mute, tail-less, or hate meat and still be a dog. Conversely, such a creature could also be a wolf, a coyote, or a fox. [I can explain why "mammal" doesn't work as a universal identifier to anyone here who would bring it up but anyone reading this for my class will already know why it doesn't]

With-in the realm of trans denialism, a very common and nonsensical argument you see is people pointing to a stereotypically masculine trans woman and saying "just look at them!", pointing to specific secondary sex characteristics like broader shoulders, larger hands, laryngeal prominence, etc. and saying "women don't look like that!" when in reality no single one of those traits is necessarily unique to cis men and trans women. Conversely, a cis man could have a smaller frame, smoother skin, no Adam's apple, a higher voice, etc. and still be a cis man.

When people bring up chromosomes one of my favorite things to ask is "what do chromosomes do?" because they almost never have an explanation. Chromosomes contain genetic code which tells cells how they should reproduce, but one of the biggest single things affecting human mortality is the fact that the cells very often mishear or don't listen at all. One example of many is the case of an embryo with XY chromosomes that has total androgen insensitivity, which means that it has cells that do not respond to the male sex hormones at all, but respond to female sex hormones normally, which causes the fetus …
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Lillian Clarringcocke - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 22:20:43 EST fGHDtkRk No.210197 Reply
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I mean I'm not writing to fascists here, what a frightful waste of time.

I'm writing to people who are neutral or already accept the basic premise that there is a difference between sex and gender. People who aren't fascists but still don't understand or contest it. This presupposes that the person who reads it is reading it in good faith. Every fascist is transphobic obviously, but the majority of transphobes are not fascists, they're just regular people who haven't had the opportunity, either through circumstance or their own will, to learn the reality of the situation. "Fascist" is a term people on all sides throw around waaaaay too willingly. It is a specific thing and overusing the term cheapens it.

I think this could also challenge people who aren't necessarily trying to have a good faith debate but are the kind who have an interest in philosophy but no formal training or the equivalent time and effort put into self-teaching and just invoke random quotes by random philosophers to stitch together a defense of the worldview they already had. Think of Jordan Peterson acolytes. Debate with them isn't really for their benefit, because no matter what they say they're almost as dug in as people who openly say they have no interest in changing their opinion. Rather I think it's for the benefit of a neutral audience.

You definitely can change peoples minds with rhetoric though, it's not remotely impossible, and writing people off in a lot of instances does more harm than good. Every single person is flawed, even Wittgenstein, who was notorious for beating his students sometimes to the point of unconsciousness, and every single other philosopher, Heidegger was a member of the NSDAP, Hegel was ravenously misogynist, Marx was deeply antisemetic and misogynist, Schopenhauer was an inceI, and so on. It's dangerous to assume personal perfection is a prerequisite for being able to agree with and propagate someone's specific ideas because it follows that you believe the people whose beliefs you DO adhere to are infallible, and it leads people to put their portraits or insignia on a flag and kill tens of millions who disagree with them underneath it.
Jarvis Sinnerfuck - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 09:20:47 EST p+7ufF1/ No.210199 Reply
Even when you write to neutrals you need to keep it concise. I mean I am sort of aware of the semantics versus implications side of things and all that and I am not reading that.

I was raised to believe that girls can do what they want and be girls, if they want to wear trousers and be a CEO and fuck women up the arse, fine they're still girls, so gender had to be down to the genitals you have or feel you should have. But then other people came along and said that actually it's not to do with the body or the one they feel they should have but their identity. And for a while I thought that meant I opposed them but then I realised we both agreed that your genitals should not dictate who you are and what we do and that the rest was labels. But even that isn't going to win over any raving fascists. Just people who already believe in values like letting stuff which doesn't hurt anyone (or they're okay with or into that) be.

If you want to change minds you need to listen to and understand their argument, recognise the bits that make sense and make them ask the questions about the bits which don't. Easier said than done though. I don't think it involves philisophers though.
Nathaniel Drendlestag - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:02:25 EST fGHDtkRk No.210200 Reply
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Thank you, again I should've been clearer that the primary intention of the paper of which this is only one section is to introduce and defend Wittgenstein's philosophy, I related it to gender in this section simply because I've never really seen it done and I wanted to perhaps kill two birds with one stone.

I'm not particularly good with the rhetoric side of things. I can write something like this to an audience I know is almost guaranteed to agree with me on the basic premise, but going back to square one with someone who says "sex and gender are the same, you can't change your gender, gender is stored in the chromosomes, etc." I turn into a sputtering idiot. I don't really think that I'm smarter than anyone else or that people who disagree with me are dumb, and I'm not trying to talk over anyone, rather I think it's a personal failing that I struggle to be both precise and concise at the same time. In the tiny little bubble I live in, it's not really put me at a disadvantage. It's just the language of my milieu. I see it almost like a dialect. When I'm not trying to make a point or explain concepts I can code-switch pretty well and I have friends of all walks of life, but I struggle to strip things down, because then I feel like I'm not properly expressing what I'm thinking. I'm distinctly in the wrong though and I hold it up more as a flaw than anything else.

I'm making my way through this to learn to be better about it, but clearly it's not really taking lol


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- Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:48:12 EST D27gVweR No.208297
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Why is there so much more visceral hatred of trans people than gay or bi people? I've noticed this for a while but comment sections of recent news articles really brought it to light. I keep seeing over and over again people saying stuff like "I don't mind gays but trans people are mentally ill blahblah SJWs something something free speech" and people making a million "logical" excuses as to why trans people shouldn't have certain rights that don't really make sense and do nothing to really hide their irrational contempt but why is that really? Is it just because trans people are more noticeable? Less physically appealing generally to most people? "Icky"? I feel like anti-SJW crusaders have made this the hill they want to die on and it doesn't make a lot of sense considering the amount of trans people in their own community is vastly higher than average.

Also while I don't think it matters to save us some posts on this incredibly slow board I'm neither trans nor gay and I don't really get on the liberal outrage train very often I'm just a mostly neutral, vaguely left-leaning party.
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Betsy Checklebanks - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 19:57:54 EST fGHDtkRk No.210187 Reply
>It's impossible to change your gender.


not a single human being but them thinks they're "on the left", it'd be like if the actual stormfront had a communism board
Lillian Clarringcocke - Sun, 28 Jun 2020 07:05:26 EST fGHDtkRk No.210198 Reply
I want to thank you again for helping me gain some perspective. Since our initial exchange, I've thought really hard about my rhetorical style and I'm making a serious effort to de-snark it when I'm dealing with anyone who shows a genuine interest in having an honest discussion and isn't just a fascist. Not only because it doesn't win people over, but also out of a concern for people who I don't think deserve to be the target of that kind of viciousness. It's very embarrassing to read that now and I'm glad that you were more reasonable than I was so that I could learn something from it.

Henry Duckhall - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 20:19:55 EST ZEniLw6A No.210202 Reply
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That's what philosophy does friend I'm glad I helped.

Near-term Extinction

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- Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:01:29 EST ywHNbnM1 No.209806
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*Global warming
*Nuclear war
*Collapse of the ecosystem
*Dependence on finite resources
*Designer pathogens
*Resource wars
*Political polarization leading to massive civil unrest

The Great Filter cometh.

We're not going to be able to think our way out of the hole we've dug for ourselves. Humanity is facing near-term extinction and there's nothing we can do about it.
So how are you dealing with this (asuming you believe it)? Personally I take the George Carlin stance, I no longer have any investment into humanity. I have totally disconnected myself from this world and am totally indifferent to the fate of mankind. I had hopes and dreams for our species, but they were all a pipe dream.
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Cedric Pumblewutch - Mon, 01 Jun 2020 18:44:18 EST 9tK6Y3mk No.210148 Reply
Fuck, my thread just keeps getting more and more relevant in 2020.
borgia@/ 92 - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:41:58 EST 0oNhfLGW No.210174 Reply
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>hopes and dreams for our species, but they were all a pipe dream.
you wonna place the collection in some malfortune?
a pipe dream? like your feeding some furball a bad idea to not cry about?
> but they were all a pipe dream.
> do you bleive in minasota?

If Muslims were White

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- Tue, 04 Apr 2017 09:40:56 EST 54PBc7Id No.207974
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100% serious question, this is about how society responds to race.

How would the conversation about Muslims change if they weren't mostly brown, but instead mostly white?
Like, what if the 9/11 guys were white, and all these people fighting in the ME were white, all the people bombing India and Malaysia were white, all the people who were banned by Trump were white? What if the people wearing Burqas that were being banned were all white?
How would people react? What would they say?
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Ebenezer Sumbleway - Sun, 03 May 2020 04:21:17 EST ahN/G+D7 No.210062 Reply
9/11 was, in large part, a reaction to American imperialism. Bin Laden said as much. Definitely not a justified, or just, reaction, but a reaction nonetheless. That imperialism was justified, sometimes subtly, sometimes overtly, by depicting Muslims as a lesser race.

The definition of "whiteness" has always been flexible, and mostly based on what's convenient for the imperial powers at the time. Remember how the Irish used to be considered non-white? That's because the British needed a justification to subjugate them.

So it depends on what you mean by "if Muslims were white". If you mean they had white skin, they would probably still be treated like a racial other, and it wouldn't really change that much, apart from aesthetics. If you mean they were considered white by the imperial powers, then that would probably mean they were an imperial power, which means no subjugation, which means there probably wouldn't be a 9/11.

That's my take, anyway.
John Gellywell - Fri, 15 May 2020 05:36:30 EST UcZcOgV6 No.210102 Reply
You do realize Muslims are religious followers of Allah, not a race of people?

It wouldn't make much difference because people have and will continue to fight over what god to worship.
Shitting Handlesug - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:30:58 EST PjzV5gHZ No.210169 Reply
They wouldn't be a protected class in the west and would be treated like Nazis.
User is currently banned from all boards

Curated Society

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- Wed, 14 Feb 2018 03:50:57 EST 39IBXNMV No.208728
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>Essentially the Authoritarian Left-Libertarian paradise everyone wants to live in:

Religion is banned outside of a personal philosophical context.
Essentially meaning religion as an oranized entity and force is illegal. However religious texts,images and iconography would still be available for individual study via an internet 3.0, libraries, museums and distributed archives. Some religious architecture of significance would obviously have to be preserved.

As for the rest of society I'm making the assumption that humaniry is going to likely destroy itself and be replaced by machines. However being in North America I would advoacte the cessation of poor land use and misuse of resources.

Personally I like a lot of the benefits of the American Way of Life. But unfrotunately it's going to go away forever if we dont invest ourselves intellectually,financially, societally and physically. As for the rest of the world I dont really give a shit about them. Being a Canadien or a US Citizen is a real priviledge, despite one's heritage.
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- Tue, 09 Jul 2019 21:53:47 EST G9E83KJu No.209719
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Where will social media and the internet be in 10 -20 years?
My guess is we will all be wired into the net, where we cannot tell between online and the real world - constant virtual reality.
We will adapt a hive mind and all consciousness will become one
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Shit Murddock - Tue, 12 May 2020 04:17:33 EST AOuUNGAb No.210093 Reply
Here's a related quote from an anon on another website:

"Electrons take up physical space. Network infrastructure such as servers, cables and shelter for all that are all physically the Internet. You have no fucking idea how the Internet actually works. The Internet is just a digitized, more complex postal service that is instant. I was just like you in 2015, when I thought YouTube videos would last forever. UH OH!!! THEY NEED MORE SPACE ON THEIR DISC!!! They begin deleting your inactive gaming channel, and websites from back in the day are completely gone, because SURPRISE, no-one is going to manage that shit. All the books throughout history, all the music, all the epic stories, GONE. You think your contributions to the world are any different, and that's cute. In fact, they're more vulnerable, a private entity owns all these servers."

"Back to the original point. There is certainly a maximum load the Internet can handle. It cannot be scaled up once you hit the wall with Moore's Law, which we will soon. You'll run out of bits. Most, if not all current systems run a 64-bit operating system. Soon, there will be so much bullshit to process due to the Internet of Things and possible transhumanist trends in this decade that 64-bit addresses on a 2ghz processor is NOT ENOUGH. If we keep our current network infrastructure, and overpopulation and saturation of these fields will guarantee the benefits to the innovation of these technologies will not be rewarded, the Internet WILL overload its self. There are only 4 million IPv4 addresses, IPv6 had to be invented to fix that. All your archaic servers from before 2010 are already becoming obsolete for IPv6 users. Paper lasts forever, digits do not, mostly because formats GO OBSOLETE and overpopulation will affect that greatly."
Sidney Druzzleway - Wed, 13 May 2020 03:07:15 EST hcOExBer No.210096 Reply
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This calls for a steady refreshing of knowledge, harkening back to the days of spoken word before print. In a way going obsolete is a reoccurence, such as the busy zine culture of the 80s-90s. Or old music records in an old music shop's basement that a lucky DJ may pilfer from the forgotten.

What of state surveillance and datamining to collect and sell information, does that record media on teh web?

Keep in mind the inverse of servers being taken down because of their monetary value or something is people running their own servers to preserve something intrinsically valuable to them? Of course that may be more impermanent than an institution maintaining a server, I mean this point in relation to mesh networks as a libertarian alternative to authoritarian control over the internet.
Martha Docklechune - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 07:34:40 EST pr6GSYq8 No.210160 Reply
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I don't know man, whenever I look at the history of the 20th century I realize that I have no idea how shit is going to evolve. Everyone is most likely wrong about everything either way.

I do think distributed systems are the way to go in a lot of use-cases, but at the moment that's more of a dream i guess.

Meh, That's if shit keeps going as it does now. Although i do agree and I hope selfhosting will become more popular, the current state of internet is pretty messy and plain bad. It's kubernetes on shitty cheap servers all the way down.

What are some books/work that I can read about Socrates?

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- Fri, 15 May 2020 05:09:48 EST UcZcOgV6 No.210100
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I know plato and aristotle wrote lots about him, but where should I start?
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Wesley Seblingshit - Fri, 29 May 2020 13:00:54 EST lHZUQ9Rd No.210142 Reply
There is really no wrong place to start aside from those of the period that wrote about him. Xenophon and Plato are going to be where one starts I suppose. There's really no wrong order to read the texts in per se but if you wish to get a sense of Socrates the man as well as the philosopher I would suggest looking into his personal history, his relationship with the thirty tyrants for instance and its impact on him etc.

Apologetics are more associated with the defense of something. Not literally being remorseful or, more broadly, "sorry" about something.
Archie Sunnerwater - Sat, 30 May 2020 13:25:25 EST T6S+/CNJ No.210143 Reply
Look into the etymology and the clear relation of the word Apology with Apollo.
Emma Hurrydock - Wed, 10 Jun 2020 12:50:13 EST Agzxsfmm No.210157 Reply
is there absolute truth in some one who never wrote on a pad with a pen.

hunka hoga

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- Sun, 24 May 2020 13:04:37 EST WrtAkYkv No.210135
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There is no objective meaning of life if you don't believe in intelligent design.
You can fabricate one and argue that it's just as valid, and it very well may be, but it's still a subjective meaning you fabricated. And everyone's differs, making it non-inherent and not the same thing.

I know I'm not breaking new ground here, just wanted to see what you guys thought about realistic nihilism (yes I cringe at the term nihilism too)
Hamilton Dammlebury - Mon, 25 May 2020 15:30:21 EST UcZcOgV6 No.210140 Reply
What the fuck is that image and what is it related to this?

Anyway, meaning of life lives in your mind it's simply what you make of it you are describing existentialism.

Nihilism is based off people who have given up on trying to find meaning or trying to make meaning. They believe meaning of life doesn't exist much like Camus and his book on absurdism, except camus believes if you accept the world has no meaning you will be happy and enjoy your life living on earth.
Edward Choffingfield - Thu, 28 May 2020 10:10:45 EST p+7ufF1/ No.210141 Reply
Yeah existentialism is less edgy than nihilism and less cool and ironic than absurdism and ironically became a concrete school of thought later than the other two despite likely existing in some fashion for much longer.

Much like OP i worked out what I believed and that others must have come to the same conclusions long before I identified those people from among the nihilists.

I see it this way, intelligent design isn't needed for objective meaning but there needs to be some sort of conscious creator entity. And even then it's only objective within the scope of what it created. What created that entity? If it lacks objective meaning how can it impart it to us?

Subjective meaning is what we have. We take limited sensory inputs and reality as we know it is built out of those. It's not the objective truth of what's there but an interpretation. One created within our brains limits to try to best suit our needs. Anyway my point is that we might be as close to god as it gets. I'm okay with a subjective meaning because it no objective meaning means no objective "wrong".

Where others figure into this is a bit more complex. I would bear in mind that most of us possess empathy allowing us to benefit from others wellbeing, and further incentivising mutually beneficial activities while making net negative sum decisions and hurting others a bit less appealing. If you don't life is both simpler and less rewarding.

The means of travel influences perspectives

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- Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:26:46 EST blmfRlfa No.208711
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What do ya think? I think the kinds of transportation people use highly influences their perspectives of the world they live in and their relationship with it.

There's a certain malaise to skating through the city, an art to performing tricks. I'm not saying all skaters have the same perspective, that'd be ridiculous to say, there are other experiences that influenced whom that individual is and is becoming.

Drivers see a fast-moving world and only brief impressions of what's going on around them. The Situationists of pre-motorvehicle times surmised the concept of a "derive" as a "rapid passage through varried ambiences" and a kind of drift through their environment, perhaps with a destination in mind, but allowing their selves to be deviated or "drawn by the attractions of the terrain and the encounters they find there."

The Situationists believed their was a psychogeography to our environment, subtle and not-so-subtle influences through sensations (from without) and our feelings and thoughts (from within), and their interrelation. Unlike the idea of drifting, it seems like most drivers travel from point A to point B. They see people also driving in their hunks of metal and/or plastic asides them as obstacles, as annoyances, and yeah occasionally pleasant too. Nonetheless the overarching behaviors and feelings from their interactions within traffic are negative and may transfer over to the times they aren't driving.

I think the Situationists were wrong to say a derive is or has to be rapid. Walking and going on bicycle rides allow for alot more deviation from routine than a car does. (Albeit I'm forgetting the car adventures people can go on, its alot easier to get out of the city with a car than by any other means, and in rural areas you pretty much need a vehicle to get around.) Being a bicyclist as a part of traffic the bicyclist seems to take on a similar mindset as the driver. Though there's a big difference between a "joy-rider" and a "regular commuter".

A major difference between a car and a bicycle is that the driver of a car is surrounded by a ton of steel or whatever, with a motor powered by gas, and the bicyclist maybe wears a helmet and pedals everywhere. Even a seemingly coy person can be aggressive behind the wheel of a vehicle. I think a point of consternation between the avid driver and.bicyclist ra-ra-raing schism is the outspoken and sometimes reckless spirit of bicyclists on the road versus vehicles being potential death-bringers and that there's a lopsided infrastructure that favors vehicles. Perhaps the outspokenness of some bicyclists is to make up for their vulnerability. In a way the bicyclists behavior is a softer variant of how motorcycle gangs sometimes have small ball-bearings hanging from the sides of their handlebars -- to smash a drivers window. Around motorcycles there's a veneer of a wild spirit and something else, (a laughing in the face of death?). Since alot of the early motorcyclists were military veterans from World War II.

Walking in comparison to 20+ MPH is a slugs pace. In a way there is so much more going on in the world to a walker because of the amount of exposure to details going on and a deeper interrelation with what's going on. By taking the bus and light rail a public-transiter is around other people way more. Their still enclosed in a hunk of metal and plastic, but sharing that space with a bunch of other people, with a bus driver sort of regulating what's going on on their bus. On public transit there's still a certain etiquette of interaction socially. With light-rail there's a sorta more of a free-for-all with the operator a buttons' push away! That seems to go well, most of the time...
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Hugh Worthingshit - Thu, 31 May 2018 16:23:41 EST uhpIZv0K No.209256 Reply
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I definitely agree. Real estate developers lately have been big on the “psychology of placemaking” and studies are showing that walkable places are better for people’s mental health, particularly older people.

There’s a big aspect of how we see space and its possibilities in modern development. I don’t think people are happy sitting alone in their cars for hours a day and you get something out of going into public and seeing your neighbor.
Shitting Gassledeg - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 12:11:20 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209259 Reply
My only comment on this topic is that for most of human history the means of transportation directly created the global psychology because it was the speed at which thought itself moved -- when horses were the fastest means of travel, an idea could cross the globe no faster than a horse. Thus the explosion of advancement in speed of transportation technology went along with an explosion in the low latency of the global consciousness.

That is until we get to the age of telecommunication, when our thoughts were enabled to travel faster than we ever physically could. At that point transportation stopped being the primary influencer on psychology, as most mental 'travels' people went on became increasingly through media and not through physical travel. Thus I would suggest looking at how the internet distorts psychology through its role as a 'tele-travel' system, and how such imaginary travels now have a much larger mind-share than their physical journeys, at least for most people. Could this be a source of the modern malaise; we think in fantasy because all we perceive is fantasy and thus we end up becoming imaginary even to ourselves, as we are subconsciously aware that the adventures which influenced our perspectives are themselves false?
Fanny Crimmlefetch - Tue, 19 May 2020 15:30:13 EST hcOExBer No.210124 Reply
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That's really interesting to see that explored through commodity of place.

Deep. Reminds me of how Ottoman Empire developed postal system of waypoints which a rider on a horse would deliver letters to a waypoint from which another rider would run from. This allowed fast communication (for the times) throughout the empire and a certain cohesiveness and probably easier central control.

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