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12 rules for life by Esther Ficklelit - Mon, 15 Oct 2018 01:34:22 EST ID:kbqhsVlv No.209498 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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what a joke. How the fuck does this guy get a way with it? Somehow he got smilies, litteral colon-close-bracket's - :) - past the editor and in the forward he is cited as "one of the world's most influential public thinkers". A housemate happened to leave this book lying around so I started reading it but fuck me it's trash. The first chapter which goes on at waffling lengths about lobsters and other animals can be summarised as "don't let people fuck you over".
Is there something i'm missing here?
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Fanny Sizzletock - Wed, 17 Oct 2018 03:03:22 EST ID:VhdWon+z No.209503 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209498

My impression of Peterson is 2 fold maybe...

  1. His philosophy is basically common sense or, if speaking "philosophically," so boring as to be self evident. I'm not accusing him of tautology. But nonetheless alot of what he says is very obvious.

2. His popularity is, in large part, related to larger trend relating to... I suppose one could say... "single male internet types" and the original youtube video
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Edwin Hedgegold - Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:59:18 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209504 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209503
>>But nonetheless alot of what he says is very obvious.
Honestly I feel like this applies to most people going off 'philosophically' nowadays. Being a philosopher no longer has anything to do with studying the history of philosophical debate and learning rigorous logic, but just mouthing off on naive realism and culturally relativistic concepts and calling themselves 'logical' for it.

>>2nd point
I think this is the thing people should really understand about him. He's really just your garden variety kinda dumb academic with his head up his ass, which are a dime a dozen. The only reason anyone cares about what he thinks is because he provides ideological cover to MRA-types...but to real academics or philosophers, his ideas have no weight at all. It's kinda like how if you want to be a famous climate scientist, just say you disagree with all climate science, and people who have a vested interest in denying climate science will suddenly hail you as one of the greatest minds of your generation...
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Hamilton Bardforth - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:07:32 EST ID:VhdWon+z No.209509 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209504
Insofar as Philosophy "as a study" is concerned yea that's true- I would say though that that's related moreso to how certain sciences don't require the kind of, as it were, a priori or axiomatic considerations that are the common conclusions of these kinds of thinkers.

Your comment relating to MRA things notwithstanding, I consider MRA "asks" to be legal and not social considerations, more to the point, the deal is that while I said his stuff is mostly common sensical, and that remains unchanged, that doesn't mean everything he says is therefore not to be considered.

His sentiments relating to hierarchy and so on are useful in and of themselves only to a point. Then other considerations of whatever topic is being discussed can being.
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Jack Pockdale - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 23:18:12 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209510 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209509
Well, I think in general one has to evaluate statements by themselves. Merely because he provides ideological cover (and that's the primary reason he's famous) for a particular group doesn't make what he says good or bad, true or false, in and of itself. But, in the full analysis, he mostly combines truisms, simple scientific facts anyone with a proper general education should know, along with subtle sophistry to spin out a much larger ideology. If there were good ideas in there (that genuinely belonged to him) I would credit him as such, but from what I've seen, it's rotten top to bottom.
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Hamilton Bardforth - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 23:51:04 EST ID:VhdWon+z No.209511 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209510
Rotten may be a bit harsh as a castigation goes. Might I suggest "obvious" or "overly simplistic"

Insofar as the principle that he provides ideological cover, and it being the reason for his fame, i honestly couldn't say. there isn't anything, in my own view, that could be considered on it's own and by itself to be "extreme" in one direction or another. though that could be my own problem since I try to separate the "thinker" in this case peterson, from those who 'support' him nominally. It's the same kind of "filter" as it were that I have now come to be familiar with in dealing with young atheists who are quite happy to play with their new found toy right to your face.


You ever feel like society is the problem? by Thomas Pisslewell - Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:04:23 EST ID:pdpqZQMH No.209470 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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not some aspect of it, but civilization itself? Has anything since prior to the advent of agriculture had a net positive effect on society? agriculture lead to division of labor, class, and status. People were happier when they were still nomadic.

I know we can't go back, because we are addicted now, but can we at least admit civilization was a mistake?
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Alice Smallforth - Sun, 14 Oct 2018 16:59:14 EST ID:LdHLS4vG No.209496 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209470
The triumph of civilisation lacks nothing. Neither political terror nor affective poverty. Nor universal sterility. The desert cannot grow anymore: it is everywhere. But it can still deepen.
As for the reigning order, everyone knows what it consists in: that a dying social system has no other justification to its arbitrary nature but its absurd determination – its senile determination – to simply linger on; that the police, global or national, have got a free hand to get rid of those who do not toe the line; that civilisation, wounded in its heart, no longer encounters anything but its own limits in the endless war it has begun; that this headlong flight, already almost a century old, produces nothing but a series of increasingly frequent disasters; that the mass of humans deal with this order of things by means of lies, cynicism, brutalisation or medication
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Alice Smallforth - Sun, 14 Oct 2018 17:04:51 EST ID:LdHLS4vG No.209497 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209496
Nothing in this shocks us; nothing catches us unawares or radically alters our feeling towards life. We were born inside the catastrophe and with it we have drawn up a strange and peaceable relation of habit. Almost an intimacy. For as long as we can remember we have received no news other than that of
the world civil war. We have been raised as survivors, as surviving machines. We have been raised with the idea that life consisted in walking; walking until you collapse among other bodies that walk identically, stumble, and then collapse in turn in indifference. Ultimately the only novelty of the present times is that none of this can be hidden anymore, that in a sense everyone knows it. Hence the most recent hardening of the system: its inner workings are plain, it would be useless to try and conjure them away. Many wonder how no part of the left or far-left, that none of the known political forces, is capable of opposing this course of events. “But we live in a democracy, right?” They can go on wondering as long as they like: nothing that is expressed in the framework of politics will ever be able to limit the advance of the desert, because politics is part of the desert.
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Thomas Nanningway - Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:00:26 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209500 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209497
Power is inexorable. 'Might makes right' isn't so much an ethical stance as an observation of reality. The power exists to create this existential desert, and there is a benefit to some to do so (and failing to do so is no guarantee that you will not be subject to someone else doing the same to you) so the desert will exist and grow -- it's just the tragedy of the commons writ large.

Power, in itself, is amoral. Selfishness and short-sightedness, in combination with power, inevitably lead to this kind of disintegration. Yet, the only thing that could counter it would be a force of equal or greater power, the participation in which naturally extended that power to others -- in essence, if the means to power was intrinsically altruistic and long-term. Power, in modern times, is the abstractified means of production coalesced into social systems of management. A superior means of production could provide this alternate form of power, which would make the earlier form both obsolete and actively undo its damage. Such a thing is possible, and it is not a political concept or require subscription to an ideology (other than that this could work); it is an engineering problem, the only kind of problem humans seem to have any aptitude for.

So yes, the desert grows inexorably in relation to the power of any individual. But we are actively creating it -- it does not exist without us. The second planting trees makes you stronger and more powerful than those who spread sand, the desert will disappear.
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Reuben Brookforth - Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:24:59 EST ID:LdHLS4vG No.209505 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209500
Have you read the pamphlet before? It's called "Appel" or Call in English

To any moral preoccupation, to any concern for purity, we substitute the collective working out of a strategy. Only that which impedes the increase of our strength is bad. It follows from this resolution that economics and politics are no longer to be distinguished. We are not afraid of forming gangs; and can only laugh at those who will decry us as a mafia.
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Jack Pockdale - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:12:37 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209508 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209505
Yeah I recognized the quote, was just trying to amplify what it suggests, it's even truer now, and we are on the brink of being able to accomplish this thing. The far left has always theoretically known there would be a period of gap as technology caught up to enable the implementation of its philosophy -- they just never imagined it would be so hard to convince people that it was a worthwhile goal in the interim. We are just finally at the cusp of that level, at which point convincing will be irrelevant -- the truth will be self-evident.


transphobia by Isabella Danningstick - Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:48:12 EST ID:D27gVweR No.208297 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why is there so much more visceral hatred of trans people than gay or bi people? I've noticed this for a while but comment sections of recent news articles really brought it to light. I keep seeing over and over again people saying stuff like "I don't mind gays but trans people are mentally ill blahblah SJWs something something free speech" and people making a million "logical" excuses as to why trans people shouldn't have certain rights that don't really make sense and do nothing to really hide their irrational contempt but why is that really? Is it just because trans people are more noticeable? Less physically appealing generally to most people? "Icky"? I feel like anti-SJW crusaders have made this the hill they want to die on and it doesn't make a lot of sense considering the amount of trans people in their own community is vastly higher than average.

Also while I don't think it matters to save us some posts on this incredibly slow board I'm neither trans nor gay and I don't really get on the liberal outrage train very often I'm just a mostly neutral, vaguely left-leaning party.
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Phyllis Wurryfot - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 13:58:47 EST ID:tnwvVuEo No.209482 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Okay there's a lot of very long wordy posts in this thread and I'm not going to read any of them before giving my point of view, just in case what I say has been covered already.

I think there's definitely a point in trans people being more 'visible'. It's a lot easier to tell if someone is trans than to tell if someone is gay most of the time. So that makes it easier for bigoted people to target them.

But there's another side of it too. If someone is gay, there's no ideology that comes along with that necessarily. Everyone knows men are attracted to women. It's not exactly hard to expand on that idea to say that some men are attracted to men, or some women to women or some people to both. With trans people though, there's usually some ideology that comes along with it. A lot of the time it's the idea that gender is a social construct, and that there is a new system of gender now ready to supplant the previous one. The problem is, if gender is a social construct, isn't it equally as valid to call an MtF male as it is to call them female? There's an authoritarian, dogmatic vibe to this stuff. You have to believe in this new subjective model of gender or you're 'transphobic', even if you don't hate trans people, even if you want them to be accepted by society and treated fairly. A lot of the time, people crying transphobia aren't doing it because someone instinctively hates their guts for being a tranny, they're doing it because someone just doesn't buy into their gender dogma.

I think ultimately the issue is with how the current zeitgeist is attempting to integrate trans people into society without pushing them to the fringes or treating them like second class citizens. It's a good thing to try to do this. Society should work for everyone, even the minorities. It's absolutely not a good idea to go back in the other direction and have them be seen as weird deviant outcasts simply because of the way they are, they're not hurting anyone afterall. The problem is though, the method that's been chosen to do this is far too heavy handed and in dire need of some sober realism. You can't force people to view you a…
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Emma Chombleset - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 15:49:57 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209483 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209482
>> if gender is a social construct, isn't it equally as valid to call an MtF male as it is to call them female
If that were so, then it would be equally valid to call a cis man a woman. It's just a construct, so why should you care? If you do care, then that means you recognize that constructs can have real, tangible effects on the lives of people. It's all nice and rosy to say that people who don't believe gender is a construct should be allowed to do so, and I would agree IF those people weren't the very ones who are trying to control and suppress the expression of trans people.

You can't have it both ways; if transgender philosophy is a loaded political ideology, then denying transgender philosophy (or rather, asserting gender naivety as realism) is also a loaded political ideology. If the other side were all about live and let live, and this was a purely philosophical discussion, no one would even care. But the fact is that along with that philosophical belief comes practical politics. I don't have a problem with people who have simplistic ideas of gender; except that they try to force those simplistic ideas on me and use them to tell me how to live my life.

So; since we live in a democracy, where people's beliefs directly go to manifesting the power of the state against those who those beliefs target, it *is* incumbent upon me for me to try to convince you of this philosophy; for my own safety.

Essentially, we can't claim that the philosophical discussion and political ramifications are disconnected. They are one in the same, and both occur in service of the other, for both sides.
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David Greengold - Fri, 12 Oct 2018 01:25:08 EST ID:VhdWon+z No.209492 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209482

A concern I would have with that position is that trans people are already "integrated" into society in and of themselves. My contention would be that it is not proper to draw a box around a group of people either legally or socially then try to reintegrate the group.

What is worth fighting, it seems to me, if peoples biases when they are unfounded.

If a person is attacking a trans person it doesn't matter to me who is what in that situation. The first condition of harming a fellow human being is met without any consideration to the superficial features of the participants.
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Nigel Drullydock - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:23:26 EST ID:0HtbXfvm No.209506 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209483
>> if gender is a social construct, isn't it equally as valid to call an MtF male as it is to call them female
>If that were so, then it would be equally valid to call a cis man a woman. It's just a construct, so why should you care?

But cis men don't claim to believe that gender is a construct: transgender people do. So it follows logically that them being the ones claiming to consider it nothing more than a social construct, they shouldn't care about being called male or female. Cis people on the other hand don't have that view, so it follows logically that they care about being called he or she.

And yet transgender people care very much about their pronouns, thus betraying that they don't really believe gender is just a social construct, just like cis people don't believe it.
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Betsy Corrybury - Thu, 18 Oct 2018 19:50:05 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209507 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209506

>>But cis men don't claim to believe that gender is a construct
I'm not a cis man, but speak for yourself. I know this will leave you salty, but its just science, and also, incidental to the actual purpose of the board -- which, believe it or not, is not to constantly argue over the existence of trannies -- is good philosophy, based on the current state of debate at the cutting edge of philosophical inquiry. Gender is indeed a construct, and we can demonstrate that scientifically or logically, and the simple fact is more people accept that idea than don't, while most people are so ignorant of philosophical discourse that the 'construct-hood' of gender doesn't even enter into their thinking on why trans people should be accepted or not (if they have any ideas on the matter at all.)

>> they shouldn't care about being called male or female
Did you read past my first sentence?
>> If you do care, then that means you recognize that constructs can have real, tangible effects on the lives of people.

>> thus betraying that they don't really believe gender is just a social construct
Ok I'm entirely convinced at this point that you don't even know what a construct in the general sense is. Can you tell me what a construct is, and why gender isn't one? You're the one making that claim, supply the proof.


Youtube Philosophy by Phoebe Chicklehod - Sun, 30 Sep 2018 22:33:32 EST ID:zh7QJYof No.209476 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Lately I've been looking at video essays on youtube. It's a pretty fun genre and it's useful for taking a break from reading all the time. Have you got any interesting youtube channels about philosophy? I would rather that it wasn't divulgation (like Kant's philosophy in 3 minutes or something like that) but rather something original, though soundly philosophically grounded.

Contrapoints - Marxist trans girl, who's sort of anti-rationalist. She studied philosophy and neurosciences. Pretty fun stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ContraPoints

Zero Books - Publisher of Mark Fisher, among others. Really critical of Peterson, and really into Vaporwave. Lots of popular cultural critique.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyoQK-mZXr2ws4C0nXGCH1w

stallion Philosophy - Still has really few videos, but they are fun and well researched. Cultural critique and capitalist realism. Their last video on World music is really good.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSkzHxIcfoEr69MWBdo0ppg/videos
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Thomas Gangerworth - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:05:35 EST ID:kbqhsVlv No.209488 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209476
not necessarily video essays but if you like the above three you'll probably like this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6dZvcECIrk Sissyphus Redeemed. He doesn't seem to post videos anymore but the channel is still there and he is a very smart guy -and not in that joe rogan sophist way.

there's also Destiny https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC554eY5jNUfDq3yDOJYirOQ who unlike SR^ is a complete layman but very aware of it and admits it often, nonetheless he is also a smart guy. Again it's not essays so much, just debates, talking to retarded alt-right.

Three Arrows https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions/UCCT8a7d6S6RJUivBgNRsiYg and Shaun https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions/UCJ6o36XL0CpYb6U5dNBiXHQ are both more proper essay style youtubers but are more about politics than philosophy. Still worth looking at tho. Also HBomberguy https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions/UClt01z1wHHT7c5lKcU8pxRQ which is more focussed on gaming but very entertaining and also responds to the alt right.

thats pretty much all i got
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Hedda Goodfuck - Tue, 16 Oct 2018 22:57:21 EST ID:ehCGSF3V No.209502 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Angie Speaks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qkU-evkvMo&t=0s
Peter Coffin is really good too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT2iU9pAI_Y&t=1300s
stallion Philosophy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJfurfb5_kw&t=0s


Meditation by Phoebe Goodforth - Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:45:31 EST ID:/XQxUE3u No.204775 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys I'm just starting to learn how to meditate. So far I can go up to 3 minutes and after that I can't focus any longer. But, I'd say I'm starting off good.

How many of you here meditate on a daily basis? In what way does it help you? What is your favorite type of meditation?

I'm learning sleep meditation and zen. I want to broaden my horizons and love myself again. With this meditation I hope to achieve a higher level of being and be able to like myself and have a positive outlook on life.
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Fanny Blanningtut - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 09:55:25 EST ID:NZFKQ1By No.209431 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Started meditating yesterday. I feel a bit better. Going to commit to this and do it everyday, twice a day. When I was disciplined and constantly meditating it did something to my mind and I became very happy and positive and it is the greatest way to positively cope. That's why i did it and now doing it again.
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Sophie Sarryway - Wed, 12 Sep 2018 11:02:49 EST ID:w+O1EhEW No.209446 Ignore Report Quick Reply
If anyone can answer this question for me I would greatly appreciate it.

Everytime I try to meditate I start itching which prevents me from meditating. It's been happening for the past 2 days. It's really starting to piss me off. Maybe it's all psychological? Maybe it's not?

Any insight on this that anyone can enlighten me with I would deeply appreciate it.
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Lillian Woffingbeck - Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:44:54 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209447 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209446
Various physical phenomena in the body naturally occur when you meditate. They have to do with the random chatter of your brain quieting down (which is what itches are in the first place, 'noise' in your tactile sensory network) so essentially it is a trick your mind does on yourself to get you back into doing things. Ignore it, it is definitely psychological if it only occurs when meditating and you don't always meditate in some special environment.
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Thomas Dunderlotch - Sat, 15 Sep 2018 01:28:53 EST ID:w+O1EhEW No.209448 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209447
Thank you for your input. I never thought of it like that. I'll take note of that.
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Martin Hovingputch - Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:32:32 EST ID:P0o8ahaw No.209493 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Anyone here meditate?


Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck by Polly Pockson - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 00:29:08 EST ID:4G6UWnoK No.209484 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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>Brother has personality disorder
>Diagnosed bipolar but it's definitely antisocial (sociopath), and probably narcissistic too.
>He's owed me money for like four years now. Spends every extra cent he gets on super strong weed and video games.
>Excuse is he's so depressed. He convinced his doctor to give him a high dose of antidepressants which make his manic symptoms worse and more frequent.
>Anytime an issue is brought up he'll go to any lengths to justify his position on the matter. He'll stand there and talk at full volume at you, for hours of you let him, until you admit defeat or do something to piss him off enough for him to leave you alone. He doesn't take advice from anyone. Weed, depending on the strain, just makes him more excited/agitated.
>He just came home raving about his newest idea he won't go through with, acting like he's on meth.

He's only gotten worse over the years. I know the solution is to move away (but I'd feel a little bad because I'm pretty much his only friend). I'm mostly just venting here. I guess if anyone else has any ideas that would be cool.
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Polly Pockson - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 00:31:55 EST ID:4G6UWnoK No.209485 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Goddamnit. Meant for qq. Can somebody move it or delete and I'll repost?
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Polly Pockson - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 00:33:51 EST ID:4G6UWnoK No.209486 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'll just repost it there now. My bad.
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Reuben Blackfuck - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:39:50 EST ID:q1Lk95x+ No.209489 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Dude, fallout 3 is way better than nen vegas. New Vegas has better replayability, granted, but fallout 3 revived fallout itself and even though there's basically not that much of a faction choice, the choices you make matters more in the game in terms of experience and immersion.
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Reuben Blackfuck - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:40:27 EST ID:q1Lk95x+ No.209490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209489

Oh shit wrong board and thread, my bad.
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Martha Pipperhure - Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:38:47 EST ID:lLl+DTfn No.209491 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209484 sounds more like borderline personality to me


Free College In The USA by Isabella Foggleford - Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:28:10 EST ID:qum7+esS No.209429 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What if you could make college free and then make admission to colleges be based purely on merit, but with a twist: you are compared only to the others at your own school to determine if you qualify for admission to a college rather than comparing you to the whole nation. Say you get the top scores and grades on your tests in your high school, but for national averages, your test scores/grades would still be too low to get into the top schools traditionally, under the new system, you would get admission because compared to your peers you did the best and therefore deserve to be in a top school. If one school has bad teachers or not enough funding, why should the students suffer? They should be judged against those who had an equal playing field, ie those in their own school rather than those who may have gone to some fancy private school with personal tutors and lots of fancy programs and who had advantages they couldn't access.

Now imagine what would happen if you did this. Suddenly all the schools packed with great students would empty out as the parents took their kids to poorly performing schools so they had a better chance at college admission. People act like segregation and school integration is an issue America dealt with in the past, but we didn't really deal with it at all. We did a little, got things moving in the right direction, then basically stopped trying and claimed we fixed the problem while the communities we live in remain highly segregated which keeps racial minorities trapped in poverty as wealthy whites never interact with them and therefore never hire them to do anything for them and spend money at their businesses. Furthermore, people can gain a bunch of value simply by having the value of their house go up because their neighborhood improves. They sit there and do nothing, but other people move into the neighborhood and start fixing pot holes and weeding the sidewalks and mowing the lawns and painting stuff and hiring security and installing floodlights, and suddenly they have more money because the value of their houses goes up.

In my mind this is an elegant solution to many of the social issues plaguing America. It would get around the affirmative action boogeyman an…
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Hugh Girringhall - Mon, 27 Aug 2018 19:55:51 EST ID:tvXthEG2 No.209433 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209429
Wealthy people live in areas near their job. They don't want to move because they can't get paid 100k a yr in the podunk working as a walmart greeter.

Also, this is silly because a lot of colleges in the US are very small. If college was based on 'pure merit' but only based on relative merit, then if they only accept 4k students a year and there are 50k schools in the nation, you're back to where we started.

Putting that aside. IMO two things will happen.
  1. people retire early (ya rite...)
  2. People just find loopholes in your plans, described below

They will simply invent a new school to put their kids in. This can be a private school (probably the easiest to do) or a public one (much harder, but possible) to lower the pool and backdoor around your social engineering plans. This would encourage a lot of balkanization of school systems around wealthy parts of the country, increasing costs.
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Thomas Pisslewell - Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:27:41 EST ID:pdpqZQMH No.209472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
but then you wouldn't be accepting the best qualified students.
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Hannah Goodford - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 01:48:35 EST ID:VhdWon+z No.209487 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>admission to colleges be based purely on merit, but with a twist: you are compared only to the others at your own school to determine if you qualify for admission to a college rather than comparing you to the whole nation.

Why not just drop the requirement in general and go off the GPA requirements of the school you are applying to. Why should they give a shit about what you "are" in comparison to the rest of your "group."

>your test scores/grades would still be too low to get into the top schools traditionally, under the new system, you would get admission because compared to your peers you did the best and therefore deserve to be in a top school.

The quality of schools is different, not only from state to state but from school to school. The furthest it seems you could push this would be some kind of standardized grading system for the nation. That is to say, you cannot keep adding artificial shit.

> If one school has bad teachers or not enough funding, why should the students suffer? They should be judged against those who had an equal playing field, ie those in their own school rather than those who may have gone to some fancy private school with personal tutors and lots of fancy programs and who had advantages they couldn't access.

The shouldn't suffer the consequences that is true. But that doesn't mean that those that do have the resources should suffer a loss either. Life isn't fair and the best we can do is continue to eliminate those gaps in offerings, textbooks, desks, teachers etc. That's more of a funding thing however.

>Your second paragraph.

It seems to me that you want to create an incentive to get people to relocate in order to get their kids into terrible schools so that they can stand out more and get better chances of getting into school? That's rather strange I think. Would that just make the kids who don't stand out have less chance to succeed? Or learn?
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/pss/ing away the days by Polly Segglepudge - Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:05:45 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209417 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Why is it that the only two modes on /pss/ are:
>>Being blown out the ass by endless streams of tranny and helicopter ride baiting

or

>>Dead fucking silence

Are ennui and schadenfreude of such outsized value in our decadent collapsing imagewest that the only reason we can be arsed to slap our keyboards is if it hurts another miserable inhabitard? feelslikebatmantheanimatedseries
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John Webblestone - Thu, 26 Jul 2018 15:35:12 EST ID:yG540JtQ No.209419 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209417 Well, for me its time, again. I don't have the time (most of the time) to write deeply.

Looking at the first page most of the recent threads don't fit the above mold anyway.
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Charlotte Demmlehork - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:58:18 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209428 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209419
>>don't fit the above mold anyway.
Do you agree with me now that this post is first of only three posts in the past 14 days?
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Barnaby Murdbanks - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 05:53:45 EST ID:KGYHppHw No.209440 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209428 Okay, well, yeah. For now...

muwhahahaha.
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Rebecca Tootfuck - Tue, 25 Sep 2018 02:20:07 EST ID:VhdWon+z No.209459 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209417

because the people that were here 7 years ago who were solid for discussions not about someones most favvy recent political bullshittery are gone now and aren't going to come back.

i miss the proper philosophy on this board versus the posturing...
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Samuel Fancocke - Tue, 25 Sep 2018 16:39:11 EST ID:gE6qChct No.209462 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This is an imageboard for junkies. When people are high, they make some pretty far-fetched and random connections among their everyday thoughts, and probably go on long rants. Problem is, these connections remain even when their high is gone.

If they get high often (they do), then their worldview eventually becomes more and more similar to such far-fetched random connections. Proper students of philosophy don't think that way, they are usually either more analytical, or pull way more things together to form those connections. Neither of them finds any meaningful discussion with junkies who have far-fetched random connections, so eventually they stop posting, or leave the board entirely. We are left with the junkies who have 10+ boards they find themselves more comfortable on than this one. /ph/ gets renamed to /pss/. /ph/ dies.


Abstract discussion thread by Fuck Drollerlick - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 02:01:21 EST ID:QfvuJGLY No.209398 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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My brain is the same as your brain except for the fact that your brain functions entirely unlike mine even though assuming we both fit the parameters for having a "normally" formed brain and posses a healthy neural structure that is supposed to control certain aspects of our psychology and physiology in the same matter.
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Phyllis Covingbod - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:33:22 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209402 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Two oaks have completely different limb configurations yet are both healthy oaks. Two snowflakes are utterly unalike yet created by the exact same forces.
The categories the mind imposes on the world are a blanket fort against unvarnished chaos.
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Ernest Pongerson - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:45:45 EST ID:ogjfl7YN No.209404 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>assuming we both fit the parameters for having a "normally" formed brain

You know what they say about assumptions.
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Clara Gecklegold - Mon, 03 Sep 2018 01:27:32 EST ID:4y8q/jLM No.209437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Neurons form and bridge different connections in arrangements based on your experiences. No brain is ever the same as any other brain because Neuron development is completely unique.
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Fucking Webbersat - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 04:56:59 EST ID:gwPZwf6j No.209454 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's about inhibition and stimulation of neurons firing. Long term potentiation, different neurotransmitters and what have you. I've only got a schoolboy understanding of it.

>>209402
I think thinking in categories is useful, I'm not sure what alternatives there are to that.... like a thought resembling a hypercomplex geometry (if that's what it can be called) because it never has context or appropriation to anything else, just summarily everything in such a way that there is never intersection between anything and no parallels because new things that are analogous to (but always changeable whenever an issue of context or relation to anything else arises, such as) matrix dimensions, number theories and logic/non-logic maxims are created to avoid any kind of abstraction, inductions, deductions or ordinate comparisons to take place.
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William Fendlemore - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:35:19 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209455 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209454
>>I'm not sure what alternatives there are to that
Of course, because your mind operates using the concept of categories, the fish cannot see the water. It may be unavoidable for human minds, or it may be unavoidable for minds in general, to utilize categories. Really, they are an expansion of the concept of sets. But what is dangerous is assuming that the categories are real or are things in and of themselves. Almost all of the debates of early philosophy can be stemmed to a confusion about whether or not the categories exist or are real in themselves.

But in the same way that set theory demonstrates no set of axioms can completely describe itself, when we realize the categories are sets, we realize they can't actually be the thing they themselves purport to be; the defining rule encompassing all types of a thing. They are the mirages of the mental landscape, and I think society would be better off if we learned to treat them as such.


Stirner on labor by Hamilton Grandway - Wed, 02 May 2018 09:41:48 EST ID:EQAAY6X6 No.209163 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Stirner knows literally nothing about labor or laborers. His ideas are juvenile. He thinks laborers are more powerful than businessmen/entrepreneurs. He’s wrong. The two are essentially equal in power, because the one cannot exist without the other. People like Stirner grossly under-estimate the intelligence of the entrepreneur and grossly over-estimate the simplicity of the laborer. I been in labor my entire life; seen tons of guys spend even 25 years straight happily laboring for good pay, because they’re simple and conservative and are much more focused on getting paid and going home to their families than becoming some sort of businessman or critical-thinker. These conservative family-oriented laborers are literally our backbone, and they always require leaders to guide them.
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Caroline Breshhood - Thu, 05 Jul 2018 13:33:44 EST ID:yG540JtQ No.209336 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209333
Well said Donningfuck. Its difficult to be involved in these projects with little time on one's hands. I noticed with Free Hot Soup, which is composed of different coordinating groups that serve food three days a week, and occasionally elsewhere, alot of the volunteers have time to participate because either their retired, get social security, or work part-time and are able to meet their needs by living low-cost.

It doesn't help that cost of living has been increasing ridiculously high. For houseless folks one alternative has been self-governing camps, but most of those have been short-lived after being forcefully dispersed by law enforcement.

The support offered by libertarian institutions and networks would have to be accessible, and in some cases it is, if the person knows about it anyway. With the Free Store for example, a big one goes on each month at a church, but people can access the stuff there each week as well. When someone has material needs the networks and institutions are already in place to provide. Maybe the individual barely getting-by can't give their time to volunteer but they can at least utilize the resources.

>I think one of the ideals of anarchism should always be to let people be autonomous materially, that is something capitalist states cannot tolerate.
Totally. That's why there are incidents of law enforcement arresting people for serving free food, dispersing houseless camps, or raiding squats, among other examples.

You'd probably find the history of the 1980s Autonomen movement in Germany, who built social centers and squatted entire neighborhoods, really interesting. Now that the innercity is hip to live in again squatting really isn't a viable option for low-cost living, at least for many people. I'm not sure what territory so-to-speak could be won to make participation in these networks and institutions more viable. There are organizations pushing for higher wages, unionizing in specific businesses, rights to camp in certain areas, and rent caps, so that people in general are better off and not struggling to survive as bad as many are now. I really think people's belief and awareness in the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of the "ghost state" is a primary obstacle.

Fire and Flames: History of the German Autonomist Movement
https://libcom.org/files/Fire_and_Flames.pdf
"THE SUBVERSION OF POLITICS:
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Hedda Pittway - Thu, 26 Jul 2018 00:13:35 EST ID:RidPP7/o No.209418 Ignore Report Quick Reply
In my experience managers, employers, and entrepreneurs are the most deluded dumb ass children I've ever met. They consistently have no knowledge of the systems they own and profit from and so can only reason why they are on top is due to some nebulous character trait that often correlates with their childish nature.

My last CEO got in front of the entire company and literally congratulated himself for "having his head in the clouds". A friend's ex-employer asked if a 2 foot hole in a load bearing wall of a cooler holding product could be "painted over". These were both very successful businesses that were out competing and acquiring other companies despite their owners ignorance. Most if not all privately held companies would operate better if owners heads were removed.

Employers do nothing but demand a meter of how much profit they are making and cry when it's not high enough; leaving employees to figure out how to actually make that happen. When profit is high they feed their delusion lest they realize they injustice of their position.
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Hedda Middlestone - Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:49:56 EST ID:HEpzpYWB No.209430 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209163
Rofl, slaves cant exist without their masters, sick observation op.
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Cornelius Blackville - Mon, 17 Sep 2018 13:53:39 EST ID:P7YKYyI5 No.209452 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Stirner is bad, Anarchy is bad, read Bordiga you leftoid peasants.
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Beatrice Gavingdadge - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 01:35:06 EST ID:KGYHppHw No.209453 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>209452 What's bad about Stirner and while you're at it (please), what's so special about Bordiga eh?


business discussion by Sophie Giddlehall - Sat, 30 Jun 2018 23:49:10 EST ID:Wdy2/dMQ No.209301 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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hey guys me and a few friends from uni investment class have created an anonchat group to discuss capitalism, investing and business in general where we share knowledge amonst ourselves.

if you are a serious capitalist and can repay the insights you get, you will be welcome. no idiots allowed though.

we are more interested in value investing and real business stuff, plebs who like technical analysis, derivative blockchain shit and dropshipping will be mocked.

it's in #biz at http://getanonchat.com
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Oliver Drivingdale - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 22:18:51 EST ID:wAsGqCt+ No.209395 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Behold
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Edwin Beppercocke - Wed, 08 Aug 2018 07:32:19 EST ID:iifXBMLG No.209427 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thank christ? Getting sick of all these crypto socialists dominating the internet like a bad tumour
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Clara Gecklegold - Mon, 03 Sep 2018 01:24:54 EST ID:4y8q/jLM No.209436 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209427

Don't mind me, just dropped in to see how you exploitative class traitors where doing before reporting back to my comrades.
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Eugene Brubbernane - Tue, 04 Sep 2018 11:36:04 EST ID:2LwLwSlz No.209438 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>209427
>>One guy samefagging is proof of my group's dominance
Achievable goals, fam.
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Cyril Crivingkut - Tue, 11 Sep 2018 08:27:54 EST ID:VE5AX/Yi No.209444 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Get an ad samefag.
nb



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