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public (pseudo)intellectuals

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- Sat, 01 Jun 2019 00:07:37 EST I6irGQRy No.209678
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anyone else really fucking hate this guy? also what is it with 3rd rate psychologists suddenly becoming revered as these gurus because they tell basement dwellers basic fucking common sense wrapped up in these political messages that are exactly what they want to hear?
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Edwin Worthinggold - Sun, 26 Jan 2020 11:38:21 EST ZfpvGvy/ No.209935 Reply
>>209919
Well I don't know what they did with the boston thing but leddit is complete and total shite. I get that the defense is, "Well it depends on which subcirclejerks you use." but that places is just utter shit. You're punished for not going along with the groupthink, nobody reads whatever is posted it is just whatever the headline says, and it is an unrelenting massive congregation of children, foreigners, and bots trying to push political narratives on the US. None of which groups should have any influence on US legal systems.

I went to that shithole for a brief period of time just because everywhere else on the net has become so unbearably awful now that we're in Net 3.0 or whatever but I just couldn't take the extreme level of children and whiny foreigners and bots stirring shit up. The handful of adults that do use the site are so brainwashed to one political spectrum or another you can't have a logical conversation with them without it turning into dogma and rhetoric bullet points. I'm honestly flabbergasted that circlejerk is seen as the intellectual's website nowadays. The entire system is set up for brigading and censoring and flogging people who step out of line. Just fucking awful.
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Nathaniel Smallhall - Sun, 26 Jan 2020 20:00:48 EST fGHDtkRk No.209936 Reply
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>>209923
It's never been about algorithms, it's always been about collaborations between content creators leading people to more and more extremist content and deliberate misinformation campaigns via advertising, at least on YouTube

I watch a lot of news and educational videos among a lot of other things and on the rare occasion i use the app or some other platform without adblocking I get ads relevant to my interests/demographic info along with a SHITTON of ads from PragerU, WeTheInternet, Daily Wire, Jordan Peterson, etc. despite never watching ANYTHING that would indicate I lean towards that direction and despite checking them as "irrelevant" every single time I see them.

And the same fucking platform that runs those "not true btw" banners on videos about stuff like climate change, vaccines, and the Holocaust to """combat"""" fake news PROMOTES this bullshit because they get money from them.

YouTube is such a fucking clusterfuck of misinformation and every empty gesture they make to do something about it just lets the bullshit peddlers play the victim. They make everyone angry by doing dumb shit like demonetizing EVERYONE instead of just deplatforming people who violate the TOS, and then when they do finally ban people they usually renege and unban them, giving them a shitton of publicity and making things even worse.

More and more uninformed parties start with a vague mistrust of authority, see stuff like this and are driven into the arms of actual authoritarians that tell them YouTube/Twitter/Facebook are run by a far-Left SJW Stasi trying to censor the truth, when in reality they only ever started doing anything at all because a few advertisers didn't like having their ads run before videos about the Jewish Question.

Then they see the same people coming for their freeze peach are also telling them "hey climate change is real, the moon landing and the holocaust happened, and maybe you shouldn't go out and curbstomp trans people" and then because their worlds are so black and white and can only comprehend two diametrically opposed sides existing, they go from PewDiePie to JRE to JPB to Stefan Molyneux to Richard Spenser. I mean obviously most people dont go past the first 2 because at the end of the day most people dont give a shit about politics, but this kind of progression is among a certain demographic of underachieving, mostly straight, mostly white, mostly male. 20-somethings is a very well-documented phenomenon

They made it so much worse than if they just did nothing.

Commercial internet was a mistake
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Sidney Bedgechack - Tue, 28 Jan 2020 11:53:26 EST te/QDo9y No.209937 Reply
>>209934
Key word there is functionally, since a fascist sympathizer supports, amplifies, and gives space to fascism. Except its important to make distinctions with subtly in mind and not paint with too large brush strokes. Particularly if one can drive a wedge between the two.

transphobia

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- Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:48:12 EST D27gVweR No.208297
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Why is there so much more visceral hatred of trans people than gay or bi people? I've noticed this for a while but comment sections of recent news articles really brought it to light. I keep seeing over and over again people saying stuff like "I don't mind gays but trans people are mentally ill blahblah SJWs something something free speech" and people making a million "logical" excuses as to why trans people shouldn't have certain rights that don't really make sense and do nothing to really hide their irrational contempt but why is that really? Is it just because trans people are more noticeable? Less physically appealing generally to most people? "Icky"? I feel like anti-SJW crusaders have made this the hill they want to die on and it doesn't make a lot of sense considering the amount of trans people in their own community is vastly higher than average.

Also while I don't think it matters to save us some posts on this incredibly slow board I'm neither trans nor gay and I don't really get on the liberal outrage train very often I'm just a mostly neutral, vaguely left-leaning party.
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Frederick Callybanks - Sun, 29 Dec 2019 13:02:07 EST +41UFqoX No.209894 Reply
>>208297
Well speaking from experience. People might accept gays but they sure as fuck don't mean they like them. Also gays hate lesbians and lesbians hate gays. And bisexuals are hated by everyone. Being bi is the absolute worst one aside from trans.

At least from my real world experience. Being black and gay or trans is probably the worst of the worst. Black folks are really against homo stuff.
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Cyril Gurryforth - Sun, 19 Jan 2020 17:48:15 EST fGHDtkRk No.209932 Reply
>>209894
>At least from my real world experience.

pfffffft tell me all about the "real world" you stunted futurechan spergburglar

maybe among the miscreants you hang out with, normal, well-adjusted people don't think that way, you just assume all your prejudices are universal and all decent people are just lying or "virtue signaling" because the idea of tolerance is so inconceivable to you because youre a garbage person that society is leaving behind

tell me more about how you can magically read the minds of people you pass by in gamestop

Gen Z and the future of social liberties

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- Sun, 29 Dec 2019 20:33:43 EST fGHDtkRk No.209898
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https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/01/17/generation-z-looks-a-lot-like-millennials-on-key-social-and-political-issues/

I just thought this was interesting and completely contradicts the prevailing notion I see in some places that our generation is somehow more "right-leaning" or "conservative" than millenials. I think there is this weird tiny but vocal clique among extremely online Gen-Zers (which is a relatively small clique in and of itself) that are people at various stages of falling down the alt-right pipeline. Call it the "PewDiePipeline" if you really want to piss these people off, because he's a spotless victim of the ebil newspapers that have the audacity to report the things he says and does

But mentioning that, it is a little concerning that one of the most popular personalities on one of the most popular platforms among generation Z is a guy that keeps coming closer and closer to flirting with outright, unironic, fascism. That said, I don't think most of his kid fan base gives a shit, they just want to see the funny screaming swedish man, but they might internalize enough of what he says that they start to believe the garbage he peddles. He unironically told his 50 million subscribers to read 12 Rules for Life lmao, oh and there's the whole wearing an iron cross on a video where you announce you're rescinding a donation to an anti-hate organization, and the whole "death to all Jews" but it's actually a really funny joke xd, and following people like Stefan Molyneux and Millenial Woes on Twitter, and defending Jon Tron, and a bunch of other gaffs).

But I mean, his fans and YouTube reply guys in general are let's say not the most socially successful among us. So I really don't know how much influence the things they believe has on the real world.

And at the same time, more liberal personalities are coming to the forefront on a website that has historically had an undeniably reactionary user base. And despite the inherent contradictions of it, most of the "right-wing" Gen-zers still don't give a shit about race, gender or gender identity, sexuality, because they were brought up in a way where none of these things were even presented as contentious issues, shitty attack helicopter jokes not withstanding

So, are the kids alright?

Being 22 I am one, albeit on the older end that mostly rejects the title (personally I love my generation, and identify far more with them than millenials) but i have a very carefully selected social circle so i can't possibly have an unbiased opinion, most of the people I know are on the far Left, I just encircled myself with like-minded people because there's no reason not to in this day and age, but I try to get a feel for what people think as a whole, because that ultimately affects my human rights as a (currently) protected minority
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Jenny Worthingforth - Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:45:16 EST fGHDtkRk No.209929 Reply
>>209928
I mean you're right all forms of materialism are bullshit I was mostly taking the piss but I think it's more true than you're giving it credit for, as in, in this time and place I think it makes sense to view our situation through that lens, which is why I would say that I'm a post-leftist, as unhelpful of a term as that is
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Clara Gipperway - Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:25:41 EST hcOExBer No.209930 Reply
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>>209928
Seems the government system and economic system are inextricably tied, hence lobbyists, subsidies, trade agreements, tariffs, institutions that push bills like the American Legislative Exchange Council, or different cities' respective Business Alliances, or global economic institutions which dictate policy such as the World Trade Organization, the International Monetary Fund, and the World Bank.

The profit motive is a huge motivator for decision-making in businesses and government, often at the detriment of the well-being of life. For example planned obsolescence is more profitable than producing good quality objects because people have to repeatedly purchase something after it breaks. The stock market investors demand from the companies they have stocks in to maximize profit, but they ignore long-term effects, which is what a long-lasting and healthy economy would focus on. So companies make destructive choices for short-term profit which push enormous costs down the road.

Concerning alienation or isolation, since the existence of the commons pre-capitalist economy, publicly held and shared things and places where people originally gathered and worked together on, have been partitioned and privatized by government for businesses. There's not many public places where people gather anymore, and often public gatherings are discouraged through bureaucratic permitting processes or even threatened by law enforcement. Its a contestation of acceptable use of public (and private) space. With private space only the private-owners, which could be an abstract entity, dictate correct use, even choosing to exclude a huge swath of the population in favor of a minuscule wealthy elite that has exclusive access.

Further, take a look at the suburbs, which have no public gathering places, but only dispersed homes, and intermittent shopping centers. Even innercity has increasing limitations of places to gather and things to do together with others. Through the internet and mass communication people can interact quicker and easier, but the interactions occur with a separation of placetime. Sure people interact along cultural lines such as common hobbies they do together, or at old institutions such as church and school, but access to these institutions still largely depend on wealth, to pay for school, to afford to live in the area of the school or church, to afford to travel wherever.

For the hella poor, living on the streets, the city spends alot of money to force them from place to place with law enforcement, and if they gather somewhere to establish a self-governing encampment of sorts (because its easier to survive that way), then they are dispersed by law enforcement at the urging of the local business alliance. That's why the business alliances try to pass laws like the Sit/Lie ordinance which makes it illegal for the hella poor to be on sidewalks near businesses. Sidewalks are public spaces mind you. From where I'm at the local judicial deemed the Sit/Lie Ordinance illegal, but similar variations are pushed by the wealthy elite against the hella poor.

I'm curious to hear your responses. Thanks for reading this.
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Nigel Dreblingbut - Sun, 19 Jan 2020 12:06:05 EST p+7ufF1/ No.209931 Reply
>>209928
Economics is allocation of resources. The truth is you can't just disentangle economics from politics.

They are on the same team but not in some ideological "evil vs good" way but rather the politicians help the rich get rich and get media support and consultancy jobs when they're done. I'm in a country where the PM didn't even do anything, the media fought the election for him and won.

Winning an election requires resources, sending the new national leader on an expensive holiday resources, you need a return on your investment. The economy is a system for allocating resources. Tax breaks is an economic decision because it affects resources. They can be political decisions too but the two aren't mutually exclusive. Politics and economic decisions (not the science, but how people actually decide how to allocate resources) are inextricably linked, economic action is a core subset of political ideology. They are not mutually exclusive and often are the same thing.

Meditation

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- Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:45:31 EST /XQxUE3u No.204775
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Hey guys I'm just starting to learn how to meditate. So far I can go up to 3 minutes and after that I can't focus any longer. But, I'd say I'm starting off good.

How many of you here meditate on a daily basis? In what way does it help you? What is your favorite type of meditation?

I'm learning sleep meditation and zen. I want to broaden my horizons and love myself again. With this meditation I hope to achieve a higher level of being and be able to like myself and have a positive outlook on life.
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Nicholas Nellybag - Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:40:37 EST ByHBrPh1 No.209907 Reply
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I guess I'll pitch in my two cents. In my opinion, there's not a lot of progress you can make in meditation without studying Dharma teachings between sessions.

Essentially, happiness is only a thought away. We don't need anything externally to be happy. We can literally think ourselves to happiness. For example, if you think you've won a million dollars, you might become very happy. And if you think you've suddenly become a million dollars in debt, you might become very sad. It's simply the *belief* that makes us happy. Not the actual money.

With enough training, you no longer need external influences to achieve such a state. You're able to create peace internally. A master guru can maintain this despite their life circumstances. Everything we need for happiness is within.

Meditation gives you a space to find some peace and calm. Typically we do this in a nice quiet setting. But by meditating, you learn to take that calm outside of meditation and carry it with you. And when your life is chaos, you can learn to control yourself and bring yourself back to that peace of meditaiton. Mindfulness has helped me live in the present moment and live each moment of my life more fully.

There's a classic story that was described by Thich Nhat Hanh. A farmer loses all his cows and is saddened by the loss. A few monks comment that they're happy that they don't have any cows to lose in the first place. This is why attachment leads to suffering.

Anyways, meditation has helped me let go of things. But it's also allowed me to appreciate things more when they're in front of me, because I know it's all temporary. There is only the present. Meditation has kept me from being so caught up in the future that I can't enjoy my life as it is.
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UnamusementPark !ikwaNLFmBo - Mon, 06 Jan 2020 16:27:58 EST BvX5CZvf No.209908 Reply
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>>209810
#Legend of Zelda 2 shotposing
>197624425
That was Hugh Hef., not I. But please, speed past the point and cause a circuit blowout, you fool!
User is currently banned from all boards
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Ian Honkinridge - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 01:21:07 EST zc6SoWDP No.209921 Reply
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>>209907
> Meditation has kept me from being so caught up in the future that I can't enjoy my life as it is.

Meditation does this for me. Meditation also helps me from being so caught up in the past that I can't enjoy my life as it is.

Sometimes I will have a memory of a really embarrassing time in my life, or a time someone betrayed me, or a time I was suffering in some other way. Sometimes I dwell on those memories for hours or days. Sometimes when I am alone I have really positive memories of times I was with friends or family surrounded by love and I feel happiness because I remember their love but I also feel sad because I am not near those people.

Sometimes when I think about the future I have fantasies about how my life may be better. The difference between my fantasy and my real life brings suffering. Sometimes I have great anxieties about things such as social events, job deadlines, or death.

All of my thoughts about the future or the past bring suffering. Meditation is an important tool to learn how to be in the moment.

On Good and Evil

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- Thu, 09 Jan 2020 12:22:07 EST 65NWSo4c No.209912
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Do "evil" people think they are evil, or that they are doing good? Seems to me you'd find more good people calling themselves evil than evil people calling themselves evil. This is assuming good and evil could even be "objective" states in the first place.

Idk, thread about Good and Evil I guess.
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Cornelius Blackfoot - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 12:33:17 EST p+7ufF1/ No.209915 Reply
>>209913
People can't even agree on alignments in D&D. I always felt it was selfish versus unselfish for good/evil and because of how stupid classic law and chaos ended up being it's become more about being more relativistic versus having a hard code. That way lawful characters have a code of honour or rules, and chaotic do what they want. Not because lawful is following laws but rather it's drawing hard lines deciding certain acts are always bad or will so rarely come out well they don't work while chaos is assessing everything based on expected consequence. As with good and evil most people exist somewhere between two points with differing stances in different issues and positions.

Anyway good in real life? In the end we do what makes us feel good or makes us suffer less so it's about what how willing we are to make others suffer or how much we get out of helping them to that end. People who take great joy in helping others and are willing to sacrifice a lot are more good. Good people will do unselfish acts and be happier, or less miserable than if they hadn't, they will find a little self sacrifice is worth the cost and be more willing to take pride in leaving the world a better place and taking the path with better consequences for others. People who aren't bothered by or enjoy people and so consequently are willing to hurt people for small personal gains (or even so hurting them is the gain. though that's usually pretty extreme evil) are evil.

As I said it varies. It doesn't make you not good if you're willing to inconvenience someone to prevent massive personal injury or harm. It doesn't make you not evil if you're happy to risk injury to save a life as you may know you'll be heralded a hero and receive credit and social standing.

It's very hard to draw a line, but some people or actions obviously fall one way or another. Also some people are really ignorant to the effect of their actions on others or can talk themselves into believing that the consequences of their actions were inevitable and didn't do it. I think a lot of politicians do stuff that kills lots of people but are able to rationalise how their policies and choices leading to needless deaths actually weren't the cause and it'd have happened another way or it couldn't be avoided. few people think of themselves as evil and I suspect the most good people don't think of themselves as good but merely trying to do what's right.

Neutral though? What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
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Phineas Gumblesidging - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:31:49 EST 0E11N9qB No.209916 Reply
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Good is relativ, Bad is relativ. If you Look it Like that, nothing is Bad and nothing is good.
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Cedric Gammleket - Sun, 12 Jan 2020 02:28:36 EST Pr3KJWoH No.209917 Reply
>>209915

>What makes a man turn neutral?

>actually, I'm a centrist

Am I racist?

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- Sun, 27 Oct 2019 02:43:08 EST cze3kJZ7 No.209815
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>I do not go out at night because i am afraid of being murdered by black guys.
>I do not go out at the day time because i am afraid of being murdered by white guys
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Frederick Callybanks - Sun, 29 Dec 2019 13:22:02 EST +41UFqoX No.209897 Reply
In the words of the great late Patrice O'Neal. You're not racist, you're racial.
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Albert Fipperfoot - Thu, 09 Jan 2020 02:43:48 EST 5i0oN1r1 No.209911 Reply
blacks are camouflaged in the darkness and whites are camouflaged in the light? why not just go to asia or south america then?

Schools turned into psychic-wards

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- Fri, 28 Jul 2017 05:24:38 EST wN9L5jv0 No.208300
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What the fuck is wrong with children at schools nowadays?!

It turned really to the worse!

Learned it the hard way during an internship:

Children don't learn any essential behavioral patterns anymore. 90% are getting their educational input by some arsehole youtuber and the parents just don't care.

So the teacher has too often the role of educating these hellspawns in basic social-skills!

Too often I hear stupid parents say shit like "we were bad in school too! We did also pull pranks and were disrespectfull" (best if done in hearing-range of their hellspawn!)

but I dare you to visit a regular school or Campus these days: There is a difference between smoking in secret at the restrooms or attacking teachers with scissors (and beeing a disrespectful cunt in general)
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Frederick Callybanks - Sun, 29 Dec 2019 13:20:00 EST +41UFqoX No.209896 Reply
>>209861
>le dead chan may may


>>208613
I know a teacher who says you're not allowed to require homework anymore nor give grades for it and all other grading is done on a 1-2-3 scale instead of number or letter grades. Literally not even writing your name on a test gets you a 1. Passing is a 2 or 3. Granted this is k-5. They still use number grades around here in 6-12.

Near-term Extinction

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- Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:01:29 EST ywHNbnM1 No.209806
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*Global warming
*Nuclear war
*Collapse of the ecosystem
*Dependence on finite resources
*Designer pathogens
*Resource wars
*Political polarization leading to massive civil unrest
*AI

The Great Filter cometh.

We're not going to be able to think our way out of the hole we've dug for ourselves. Humanity is facing near-term extinction and there's nothing we can do about it.
So how are you dealing with this (asuming you believe it)? Personally I take the George Carlin stance, I no longer have any investment into humanity. I have totally disconnected myself from this world and am totally indifferent to the fate of mankind. I had hopes and dreams for our species, but they were all a pipe dream.
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Augustus Nucklebidge - Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:02:47 EST gWRZ+vin No.209877 Reply
>>209876
We will have to solve new problems then. Maybe not having an industrial revolution is good because we'll be forced to find new ways to achieve old effects or which things we have to let go of entirely. Maybe without those one use resources we'll need something sustainable from the outset and maybe that's good. Maybe we will be forced to use the resources we gave in increasingly clever ways. We will still have a better understanding of science and medicine and those will help us.

The knowledge won't vanish so as long as people start looking to find sustainable options immediately the knowledge we have won't all be gone. We can use it for a leg up.

Knowing we had things and could do things will help. It's easier to dream up technology when there is something you're trying to achieve. We probably can't come back but we need to take a different path anyway. If there is an endpoint where we can live in the comfort we have now with sustainable technology then its only an issue if there is no possible intermediate path that doesn't rely on those resources. Maybe there isn't but we won't know until it becomes the easiest or only route. If such a state cannot exist then we will eventually collapse anyway.

Not industrial is a big movement of the goalposts from "Go extinct" a medieval society can still dominate the world.
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Walter Findersine - Fri, 27 Dec 2019 22:34:36 EST yhtu+z4u No.209891 Reply
>>209876

Dude the coal might be gone, but the metal at least is already out of the ground, legit sitting there, no-slag. Like, we already mined the metal, and it's all over the place you would just have to walk up and grab it. Like there are cars and other metal objects all over the place just sitting there
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John Gebblestone - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 19:40:27 EST JyDTI0YA No.209925 Reply
>>209876
Mines don't necessarily close because they've 'been used up'. They close because of economic factors. The cost of governmental regulatory bodies, the cost of labor, the price of various commodities floated on the global market. A pre-industrial level society doesn't have to worry about any of those factors during the road to industrialization, they only have to worry about those factors in the post-industrial stage of development.

Having children because they'll take care of you when youre old

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- Sun, 01 Dec 2019 18:13:19 EST +n0riTme No.209855
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Whoever brought kids because they think they’ll get taken care of when they’re old can go fuck themselves.

Anyone whose retirement plan is for their children to become full time CNA's is going to be fucked when their children say no.
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Edward Bittingwurk - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 23:22:21 EST AwFARtk4 No.209860 Reply
>>209855
OP it sounds like your perspective stems from a personal connection to the issue, maybe not your own parents or family members, but someone you are close to.

most people dont PLAN for that to be the case it just ends up being a convenient way for younger people without any solid direction in life to make money doing something they would be doing even without pay
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Cornelius Trotdale - Thu, 05 Dec 2019 05:08:58 EST F2yFh27a No.209863 Reply
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>>209856
what a asshole bitch.

"hey mom, I know you can't consent because you are senile,
but let me post your face all over the internet and tell strangers you play with your own poop!"

>>209855
I remember vividly how the parents of my ex-gf tried to peer-pressure her and me into having kids. They used the same argument of course.
Right at the start of our relationship. wtf.
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Isabella Congernetch - Tue, 24 Dec 2019 05:17:18 EST eLEHh0uv No.209885 Reply
I've vaguely considered the possibility that when I have kids they may be able to provide for me.

Specifically it's because I had a shitty upbringing myself (no guidance from parents, put into shitty school), and to the best of my ability I want to get a good job and secure a good future for my children. I want to homeschool them and teach them maths, biology etc at an early age. Partly because its a good idea in and of itself but also because I could secure their futures/help them to become employable as adults.

But mostly I don't expect anything (also I will marry my daughters off).

people with "magic thinking"

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- Mon, 02 Sep 2019 11:20:45 EST U+CRTLPX No.209767
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Ages ago I heard about a study or book about a large part of the population who have a somewhat "magical" way of thinking and how those are the people most likely to support dogmas and refuse to educate themselves on things. Anybody can help me out with that?
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Edwin Greenstone - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 03:25:20 EST hcOExBer No.209853 Reply
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Comparable to people thinking that Planet X or Nibiru was going to collide with Earth in 2012. A la Terrence Moonseed of Rap News. Tho that's just a certain sector of the population... Believing conspiracy theories fits this thinking, but subscribing a different explanation besides magic or god(s), a conspiratorial alibi and projection to define something which is far too complex for simple explanations like an elite cabal of people ruling the world or a secret society of lizard people infiltrating humanity. Though tinfoil thought does have valid underpinnings of wanting to understand societal developments and meaning.

( Rap News 30 - NWO https://youtu.be/W4nSjPdT788 )

Beyond tinfoil there is the symbolic representation of magical and religious thinking about objects or rituals or events and the question of how important it is to signify what's occurred (or what will or should occur) and memorializing it. I wonder about the importance of faith in believing something will occur -- and by extension the power of the mind(?), on having an effect physically and/or psychologically to aid recovery from an illness.

This reminds me of the metal music by YOB and their most recent album Our Raw Heart which is a story of one member overcoming "extremely painful and potentially fatal intestinal disease", and in the song Screen: the lyrics screaming rhythmically:

"Ancient poison
Out
Out
Out"

Often there is a call for more focus on coming of age rituals to signify the progression from youth into adulthood.

Anyways, more info about what y'all are talking about would be cool and I will keep my ears open.
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Shit Honeyway - Sat, 21 Dec 2019 22:40:25 EST gkGQRl44 No.209880 Reply
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I think there are two questions implicit then in that. I will say what they are then qualify them.

  1. To what extent do people require "knowledge" about the things they do in terms of actions they carry out?

Example: To what extent do I need to know "how" something works versus simply knowing "that" something works.

2. To what extent should you trust experts?

In the medicine instance you stated, my knee-jerk reaction is that, generally, we expect those in a position to know and have an incentive to provide truthful information to be truthful when they tell you that something is wrong with you and you need this pill etc.
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Beatrice Blathershaw - Sun, 22 Dec 2019 07:18:55 EST xEzpk0dP No.209881 Reply
>>209880
This is a good question with no easy answer. We have a limited amount of knowledge we can fit into our brains so some "magic" is required to get through the day, however we should acknowledge that we are ignorant to it and the limitations that our non knowledge brings. This means in terms of the opinions we form and also that just because we don't understand it, it doesn't mean someone else won't.

I posted about fiat money in another thread. Economics is not magic to me. I'm not a real expert but I have a degree in the subject so my knowledge even with the rust and shittiness of my degree is well above average. Most people don't even know what an economy is and will vote based on the economy all the same.

Which bridges to experts. The same extent we should trust their motives and their expert status. Experts aren't always right but they are right a lot more than other people. In the absence of strong evidence counter to their position these are the people who know the subject. Coming back to economics, I'm more inclined to trust academics because they don't have a vested interest. When a big business leader says something I trust their knowledge, I just don't trust their motives and that their advice or proclamation is for the good of the effectiveness of the economy rather than just maximising their slice. Medicine is another good one. Doctors are sometimes wrong, but often the issue is that they are only experts in certain areas. My girlfriend has a rare immune disorder and a lot of doctors have never encountered it so she knows more. In this case she was originally diagnosed by a doctor but a lot of the time she's the expert in the room, at least until the doctors read up and apply their knowledge. I suppose that opens a second can of worms "who are the experts?". I feel even if you're an expert in a subject you will have blind spots and when those come up you're not an expert in those.

I think a lot of issues with experts arise from them not being experts during a given disagreement or issue or people who aren't experts insisting on overriding them on purely idealistic reasons. Usually political ones. The war on drugs is of course a top example of this AND also that there are "experts" giving advice which is sound for their specific agenda and not the nation (and nations pursuing a similar policy) on the whole.


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- Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:12:32 EST qeOwblsq No.209869
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not really sure how basing and debasement of the gold standard in response to the real uncontrolled gold prices (they tried to control it) during a recession is not literally the same exact monetary tool as the ones supposedly made available by fiat currency but ok?

not really sure how mandating all payments to the average joe to be made in something that will never lose value is not the best social welfare program to end all social welfare programs but ok?

meanwhile i hear that CPI has been smudged and fiddled by those clever accountants to not include the inflating prices of goods consumers actually buy ie gas and education? so actually the decline of the us dollar and great depression we are currently in is kind of worse than in the datasets?

>value judgements

may you 20-somethings out there forgo the latest gimped out desktop of an iphone in order to follow up on a physical investment with the purchasing of drastically inflated land, dog bles
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Sophie Duckdock - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 13:07:55 EST CPrPDQWq No.209873 Reply
>>209869
For a long time I wondered if I was too stupid to get these arguments but I'm starting to think they just don't make sense.

Gold goes up and down in value, everything does because there is no such thing as absolute value. It's arbitrary. If the products the average Joe needs to buy go up in price even with gold standard he gets poorer. Inflation has always happened. Since my country dumped its gold it has not risen. In fact it has fallen though actually that has nothing to do with gold and everything to do with the central bank.

In the even the promissary note stops working your society has collapsed and gold falls in value too. What do people need gold for in such circumstances? The value of everything else, especially say shotguns and canned food goes up.

I agree that CPI is a shady measure. those items are included though, just under weighted. I'm not sure it's clever accountants fudging figures though, the politicians just elect to choose the more optimistic way of defining figures and their statisticians/economists do what they're told. They're subtle enough to use methods that stand up to casual scrutiny and are plausibly deniable.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the flaws of fiat currency. Money is a measure of value, medium of trade and potentially store of value, but it just represents and entirely arbitrary amount of resources. I'm not sure what you're actually getting at. I think you're one of those people who's hung up on the gold standard. Or maybe this is where I am missing the obvious. How will it translate into.. something good?

You ever feel like society is the problem?

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- Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:04:23 EST pdpqZQMH No.209470
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not some aspect of it, but civilization itself? Has anything since prior to the advent of agriculture had a net positive effect on society? agriculture lead to division of labor, class, and status. People were happier when they were still nomadic.

I know we can't go back, because we are addicted now, but can we at least admit civilization was a mistake?
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Henry Blondlelot - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:39:08 EST SRkzta0t No.209826 Reply
>>209824
Yes, absolutely. It's either nature or nurture. There's no such thing as complexity or depth.
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Charles Perringfoot - Tue, 12 Nov 2019 00:49:35 EST FX34H2LL No.209832 Reply
>>209826
This isn't a Nature/Nature thing, mah dude.

This thread, is about "society," see OP, more specifically it's about the nature of civilization and how people interact with it. Implicitly it's a political question of how you set of a society/civilization. What I'm talking about with "Human Nature" is an inherently political notion of how groups of individuals act in relation to each other in a civilization.

Nature v Nuture, is not that, it's a genes/environment notion. Which is more apt for a thread related specifically to that dichotomy. I mean, no offense, but either have an argument or not man, up to you. Also, and this is a minor thing, something can be "simple" to conceptualize, but be "complex" in operation/any subsequent analysis. So don't fall into that silliness.

nb
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Graham Gezzlepark - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:21:30 EST hcOExBer No.209844 Reply
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Different societies interact differently depending on the structure of the society and the ways of life -- however promoted and encouraged, by how people organize themselves (relate to each other) and how decisions are made. So there isn't one answer to the question of "how civilization functions and why" because there's a plurality of means practiced by humanity.

<<< Please cast your eyes to Exhibit A, a diagram of Kowloon Walled City in Hong Kong. It was bull dozed by the government in 1993.

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- Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:04:22 EST XAhNojmD No.209841
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0 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

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