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You ever feel like society is the problem?

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- Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:04:23 EST pdpqZQMH No.209470
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not some aspect of it, but civilization itself? Has anything since prior to the advent of agriculture had a net positive effect on society? agriculture lead to division of labor, class, and status. People were happier when they were still nomadic.

I know we can't go back, because we are addicted now, but can we at least admit civilization was a mistake?
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Henry Blondlelot - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:39:08 EST SRkzta0t No.209826 Reply
Yes, absolutely. It's either nature or nurture. There's no such thing as complexity or depth.
Charles Perringfoot - Tue, 12 Nov 2019 00:49:35 EST FX34H2LL No.209832 Reply
This isn't a Nature/Nature thing, mah dude.

This thread, is about "society," see OP, more specifically it's about the nature of civilization and how people interact with it. Implicitly it's a political question of how you set of a society/civilization. What I'm talking about with "Human Nature" is an inherently political notion of how groups of individuals act in relation to each other in a civilization.

Nature v Nuture, is not that, it's a genes/environment notion. Which is more apt for a thread related specifically to that dichotomy. I mean, no offense, but either have an argument or not man, up to you. Also, and this is a minor thing, something can be "simple" to conceptualize, but be "complex" in operation/any subsequent analysis. So don't fall into that silliness.

Graham Gezzlepark - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:21:30 EST hcOExBer No.209844 Reply
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Different societies interact differently depending on the structure of the society and the ways of life -- however promoted and encouraged, by how people organize themselves (relate to each other) and how decisions are made. So there isn't one answer to the question of "how civilization functions and why" because there's a plurality of means practiced by humanity.

<<< Please cast your eyes to Exhibit A, a diagram of Kowloon Walled City in Hong Kong. It was bull dozed by the government in 1993.

Am I racist?

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- Sun, 27 Oct 2019 02:43:08 EST cze3kJZ7 No.209815
File: 1572158588896.jpg -(252850B / 246.92KB, 1400x787) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Am I racist?
>I do not go out at night because i am afraid of being murdered by black guys.
>I do not go out at the day time because i am afraid of being murdered by white guys
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Jarvis Nendlefoot - Wed, 13 Nov 2019 08:21:07 EST C9ihKqVY No.209837 Reply
Extremists are not victims of society. Society is the victim.
Ian Subbermock - Wed, 13 Nov 2019 12:47:58 EST p+7ufF1/ No.209839 Reply
Yes but also that it's not as simple as "they're morons". Plenty of equally awful morons do well. Look at pretty any current world leader and 75% they're an absolute fuckwit.

I think just saying it's all their fault is stupid. They definitely make a lot of bad decisions but everyone does and they just happened to be in a situation where it put them into a very large group. And from that large group a small ish number have the values and beliefs to become some sort of extremist. Plenty of people with those beliefs don't end up like that and plenty of people like that don't go Xtreme.

It's not simple. But if we really want to stop extremism we can't just play whack a mole with dangerous causes, there will always be more. We need to address the society that makes these people and give them less raw material to work with as well. We will save a lot of people who wouldn't be extremists as a result of that.

So to put it in your terms. That's a long way of saying:

>The best way to reducw extremism would be the side effect of a more humane society with which more people feel more engaged.
Graham Gezzlepark - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:11:00 EST hcOExBer No.209843 Reply
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Interesting points y'all.

I've seen studies pointing to gateway to fascist way of thinking was by male dissatisfaction and grievances against ladies. Later turning to racist and xenophobic beliefs.

>>209833 I think that's exactly it, by belonging to these social media platforms, and enjoying the sense of connection with others, but to buy-in is to believe messed up shit too.

>>209839 So then it follows that the solution is greater interconnection and engagement with all.

Ecopsychology suggests therapy groups as one solution.


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- Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:04:22 EST XAhNojmD No.209841
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0 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

people with "magic thinking"

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- Mon, 02 Sep 2019 11:20:45 EST U+CRTLPX No.209767
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Ages ago I heard about a study or book about a large part of the population who have a somewhat "magical" way of thinking and how those are the people most likely to support dogmas and refuse to educate themselves on things. Anybody can help me out with that?
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Charles Perringfoot - Tue, 12 Nov 2019 01:18:35 EST FX34H2LL No.209834 Reply
This isn't what he's talking about you new age little Wiccan. He wasn't talking about the literal efficacy of spells and symbols and other stupid crap like the grimoires of solomon, etc.

He's talking about people being, for lack of an even more broad term, superstitious.

I recommend OP look for something about the psychology of superstition that underpins various religious. I would, as a layman, say that it's related to making casual cultural inferences about the nature of reality.
Betsy Shittinglock - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 08:21:59 EST qxACLxYD No.209840 Reply
People who are really in command of their beliefs don't carry reference lists.
Cedric Saddlenot - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 13:17:15 EST p+7ufF1/ No.209842 Reply
Yes. This.

I think superstition isn't the whole story though. I guess I always thought of magical thinking as people don't understand things, they just do. If these things happen this does. No understanding of the mechanisms behind it. Everything is basically magic, like a wizard casting a spell. You fill out that spreadsheet by putting the exact numbers you're told to in and it pulls out results, you think of facebook as a place rather than a front end that drags up sorted data, you take medicine without knowing the difference between symptomatic relief and attacking bacteria and so on. I think that's magical thinking too. If you think like that then you will be dogmatic and superstitious and if you are happy to think like that you're probably magical. To some degree everyone simplifies things but if plenty of people refuse to understand anything on even a broad allegorical level.

I approve and smirked like the smug butthole that I am.

Near-term Extinction

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- Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:01:29 EST ywHNbnM1 No.209806
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*Global warming
*Nuclear war
*Collapse of the ecosystem
*Dependence on finite resources
*Designer pathogens
*Resource wars
*Political polarization leading to massive civil unrest

The Great Filter cometh.

We're not going to be able to think our way out of the hole we've dug for ourselves. Humanity is facing near-term extinction and there's nothing we can do about it.
So how are you dealing with this (asuming you believe it)? Personally I take the George Carlin stance, I no longer have any investment into humanity. I have totally disconnected myself from this world and am totally indifferent to the fate of mankind. I had hopes and dreams for our species, but they were all a pipe dream.
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Thomas Blimmleway - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 02:47:03 EST hcOExBer No.209816 Reply
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How does believing this make someone easier to control?

If we're talking this soft and hard subjugation, or the carrott and the stick, are ongoing and effective means to maintain control as is. On top of (/ a part of) counterinsurgency stuff.
Emma Pisslekud - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 08:47:07 EST SRkzta0t No.209821 Reply
Any time you're trying to convince people of something that isn't evident, your motives are in question. Why do you want people to believe this? I think it's control. In the absence of any explanation to the contrary and the cartoonishly loud protest you seem to be giving in response to the accusation, I'm pretty confident in my position.
Wesley Sundlechore - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:50:21 EST te/QDo9y No.209822 Reply
What? I don't think you're understanding. You're going to have to elaborate about why.


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- Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:45:31 EST /XQxUE3u No.204775
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Hey guys I'm just starting to learn how to meditate. So far I can go up to 3 minutes and after that I can't focus any longer. But, I'd say I'm starting off good.

How many of you here meditate on a daily basis? In what way does it help you? What is your favorite type of meditation?

I'm learning sleep meditation and zen. I want to broaden my horizons and love myself again. With this meditation I hope to achieve a higher level of being and be able to like myself and have a positive outlook on life.
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Simon Fuffinghall - Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:39:19 EST HeAoXRT7 No.209758 Reply
Meditating for 2 days. I feel more grounded and I don't let things get to me like I use to let it. My minds getting clear and clearer.

Been able to visualize already and it's of my physique and also at a park that I love to go. Some.girl in a bikini was walking towards me when I visualized being at the park. Crazy stuff.

The more I do the better the benefits.
Phineas Bashstock - Sat, 26 Oct 2019 12:01:40 EST bTkVZ0na No.209810 Reply
It doesn't take much to start or keep going. And you get benefits from mediation no matter how long you do it, where you do it, or how you do it.

Personally I like Zen because you can keep your eyes open. There's even moving meditation in Zen where you focus on your movement or that of something else, and I think there's a lot of variety.
Thomas Blimmleway - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 02:41:14 EST hcOExBer No.209814 Reply
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Standing meditation too: exercise, breathing, and meditation with your eyes open, atuned to outward senses and inner going-ons. Y'know? Qui-Gong has a bunch of exercises and different levels of intensity reccomended for different times of the day. Routine really is important here, a personal challenge myself.

public (pseudo)intellectuals

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- Sat, 01 Jun 2019 00:07:37 EST I6irGQRy No.209678
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anyone else really fucking hate this guy? also what is it with 3rd rate psychologists suddenly becoming revered as these gurus because they tell basement dwellers basic fucking common sense wrapped up in these political messages that are exactly what they want to hear?
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Nathaniel Brookwell - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 02:46:50 EST vI2KG7aE No.209764 Reply
more of a scientism absolutist. I'd take Feyerabend over him anyday, and I'm far from an anarchist.
Emma Hingerchork - Tue, 22 Oct 2019 03:08:25 EST y/Mvju/Q No.209804 Reply
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I realized this after I listening to my 27th or so Jordan Peterson podcast or one of his numerous 'destroys' videos on YouTube, then I went back to Terence McKenna and Alan Watts and found they were saying basically the opposite, but I felt like I agreed with all of them. That's because most of what they're saying is nothing.

All those guys, including Alex Jones and Joe Rogan are just like 80% ASMR and 20% actual information. At least McKenna was a proponent of going your own way. A lot of the 'spoken word' and podcasting world is just white noise to put on in the background while you play video games or wash dishes.
Angus Saddlefoot - Wed, 23 Oct 2019 00:39:51 EST gL2K3GAz No.209805 Reply
I'm just interjecting here- but I have to say that Mr. Peterson for all his hilarity never got to my g-spot as it were. Maybe I'm too inundated with Mr. Hitches so I have that kind of shield. But Peterson often makes statement so banal that it's boring.

Favorite Philosophers?

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- Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:52:39 EST KGYHppHw No.209613
File: 1551469959744.jpg -(288762B / 281.99KB, 1600x1067) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Favorite Philosophers?
Tough question i suppose.

Don't have a favorite myself, but i really like Max Cafard and his expansion of the Situationist's concept of psychological exploration called a Derive, into Surregional Exploration. His other essays skirting many philosophers and critiquing them was a nice introduction to all of these concepts I was ignorant of at the time.

Anyways, what's your favorite philosophy or philosopher?
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Barnaby Blunnershaw - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 21:54:15 EST DK1GZlb6 No.209717 Reply
Camus all the way bitch.
Archie Gockleford - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 06:43:52 EST 5y5Cpc7D No.209732 Reply
Ken Wilbur, among others. He's not a great philosopher, but his concepts gave me somewhere to go from bleak existentialism. I felt like I knew a little more about the shape of the world; it gave me some meaning to work with.
Barnaby Wiblingfark - Tue, 22 Oct 2019 02:16:35 EST hcOExBer No.209803 Reply
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Considering all the answers here, how does anyone distinguish between these philosophers. Like some metric to meaningfully compare and contrast by?


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- Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:14:35 EST 2HazwbDc No.209524
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When you think of infinity do you think of a loop, or do you think of an endless unbounded happening, like pi, for example.
If things are, as they seem, infinite(i suppose thats an assumption) do you think it loops back into itself or stretches on forever.

Pic unrelated, but we should probably start a revolution pretty soon.
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Jack Wepperson - Wed, 01 May 2019 04:02:47 EST agUXn1jU No.209666 Reply
An endless unbound happening caught in loop within a loop of itslelf cancelling saod loop but creating a mirrored loop of itself bound by time. ie infinite symbol
Barnaby Wiblingfark - Tue, 22 Oct 2019 02:09:22 EST hcOExBer No.209802 Reply
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Infinity could be thought of as cycles rather than on repeat, mayhaps.

Questions involving time get confusing. I enjoyed the sci-fi rendition in Last Legends of Earth as a way of imagining how time works. And the other iterations.

deep philosophical post

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- Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:08:12 EST qeOwblsq No.209749
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What is our purpose?
Where do we come from?
Where are we going?
What is truth?
What is free will?
Is there life after death?
Are we alone in the universe?
Is there a god watching us or do we watch ourselves?
What's keeping us alive?
The will to create?
The inspiration to build?
To teach your son right from wrong?

Introducing the Honda Ferrari only from Ford.
This has been a fucking car advertisement the entire time.
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Nicholas Surringtotch - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 22:33:03 EST 8gq7GAVV No.209783 Reply
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>What is our purpose?
Quit that shit, you fucking dumb cunt.

Purpose doesn't exist and purpose is idiotic.

The universe IS. That's all. Deal with it.
Betsy Lightson - Sun, 06 Oct 2019 04:01:02 EST hcOExBer No.209791 Reply
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From a social, where/how do i relate to people, society, the world, and the cosmos, there's a symbolic importance.

Stirner on labor

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- Wed, 02 May 2018 09:41:48 EST EQAAY6X6 No.209163
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Stirner knows literally nothing about labor or laborers. His ideas are juvenile. He thinks laborers are more powerful than businessmen/entrepreneurs. He’s wrong. The two are essentially equal in power, because the one cannot exist without the other. People like Stirner grossly under-estimate the intelligence of the entrepreneur and grossly over-estimate the simplicity of the laborer. I been in labor my entire life; seen tons of guys spend even 25 years straight happily laboring for good pay, because they’re simple and conservative and are much more focused on getting paid and going home to their families than becoming some sort of businessman or critical-thinker. These conservative family-oriented laborers are literally our backbone, and they always require leaders to guide them.
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Angus Hazzlewill - Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:31:07 EST nh1fspOE No.209785 Reply
Fuck off. I'm a laborer because it's the work I have available to me, with an able body and no tertiary education. But you're a fucking bullshitter if you think of us as some otherized "simple folk". Fucking get the fuck out of here. What the fuck gives you the authority to lord over us anyway, other than an economic and political system built on privilege and injustice? Where a man can build ten houses for richer people yet not afford to buy his own? Where rich kids afford to send their kids off to rich schools to get rich jobs and inherit rich money, while we start from dirt each generation?
Angus Hazzlewill - Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:39:03 EST nh1fspOE No.209786 Reply
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Wait a second, fuck, I'm drunkenly yelling at ghosts. These posts I'm replying to are all over a year old. What the fuck I come back after ten years and 420chan is.. dead?
Rebecca Semmerstock - Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:16:24 EST hcOExBer No.209787 Reply
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Nah, just some of these academic boards move real slow now. Your posts are interesting though so thanks for 2cents. I wholeheartedly agree from theory and experience. Especially when a new boss is hired from outside and they don't know anything. Or how bosses just stand around and talk to each other while us laborers are working hard and their making way more money then we are even though we're the ones doing all the work. OP was probably just trolling anyways.


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- Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:48:12 EST D27gVweR No.208297
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Why is there so much more visceral hatred of trans people than gay or bi people? I've noticed this for a while but comment sections of recent news articles really brought it to light. I keep seeing over and over again people saying stuff like "I don't mind gays but trans people are mentally ill blahblah SJWs something something free speech" and people making a million "logical" excuses as to why trans people shouldn't have certain rights that don't really make sense and do nothing to really hide their irrational contempt but why is that really? Is it just because trans people are more noticeable? Less physically appealing generally to most people? "Icky"? I feel like anti-SJW crusaders have made this the hill they want to die on and it doesn't make a lot of sense considering the amount of trans people in their own community is vastly higher than average.

Also while I don't think it matters to save us some posts on this incredibly slow board I'm neither trans nor gay and I don't really get on the liberal outrage train very often I'm just a mostly neutral, vaguely left-leaning party.
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Graham Pockspear - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 01:21:26 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209538 Reply
>>No, that's what some genderfluid people do.
No, that's an oversimplification and a false dichotomy. Genderfluidity is encompassed under the heading of transgenderism.

>>Transgender people usually stick to one gender and want to be treated as one gender, which was my point.
People have gotten pretty loosy goosy with the definitions in the past couple of years, but technically, that's a transsexual person, not a transgender person (the former being a subset of the latter.)

>> even invent something completely new using the pieces of the ruin that once was this thing called gender, you haven't transcended it
But, again, this is what transgender people (using the big tent definition) do. Ever heard of two-spirits? Ever heard of third gender? How about ever read any actual transgender theory by transgender authors expanding on the ways gender non-conformity disrupts the general concept of gender roles? You have an extremely narrow perspective on the situation, and are then surprised that the people you are dealing with have a narrow view. No, you actually aren't interacting with the other perspective at all, you just have no idea what they actually think, and are arguing with a strawman constructed of your own limited experience.

More to the point, things that are constructs have real effect. That's why it's important to utilize constructs, even if you'd rather not -- deliberate refusal to even be aware of their consequences is potentially fatal, in a literal sense in this case. It's all well and good to say 'I'm a third gender that transcends all definitions and categorizations!' but at the end of the day, there are two bathroom stalls to choose from, and two sections in the clothing store. The construct does not cease to exist by your recognition of it as a construct, and thus you must continue to interact with it, although hopefully with a deeper understanding.

Just like, again, you can be totally over the concept of your nation's power and authority being absolute, and that won't in any way prevent them from exerting that power over you if you attempt to ignore it.

>>People believing these constructs are real have tangible effects
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people!" Man you sure showed me... (I know what I just said was way too subtle, so please, misconstrue it and I will belabor the point for you.)

>>and then blaming the concepts.
I'm not blaming concepts, I'm establishing a causal connection. Without the concept, the people wouldn't take the action.

Look man, as your post goes on and on it becomes increasingly clear you're just shadow boxing with yourself. What the hell are you even saying man? If you knew what transgender people were actually like rather than what you imagined based on reading internet propaganda, you would recognize that your 'great insight' that you seem to think smashes the whole concept is actually the very first point within queer gender theory. And its true that most transgender people don't have a strong grasp of the theoretical underpinnings of the concept, but you're trying to pull back the curtain on the wizard, so this is what you get. Consciously or not, the act of being transgender (in any of its varieties) is disruptive to gender as a binary, static construct, and recodifies it in a more abstract way. This is a transitional period itself to a point where the construct will vanish more or less into a very vestigial state. Just because people cannot instantly remove the construct doesn't mean it's not a construct.

Finally, you seem to misunderstand the concept of transcendence. Transcendence does not necessarily imply that you no longer participate in a thing, just that it no longer dominates you. People who do not believe gender is a construct but an absolute external reality are dominated by it. People who participate in the construct only under their own terms still participate in it, but aren't dominated by it.

Getting right down to the hard tack of it, your whole argument seems to be that these imaginary cuties you're arguing with have a different definition of transcendence than you. Have you considered, maybe, that definitions are also bullshit human constructs?

I feel like I'm talking in circles because your basic argument is so non-sensical there's no logical…
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- Sat, 30 Jun 2018 23:49:10 EST Wdy2/dMQ No.209301
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hey guys me and a few friends from uni investment class have created an anonchat group to discuss capitalism, investing and business in general where we share knowledge amonst ourselves.

if you are a serious capitalist and can repay the insights you get, you will be welcome. no idiots allowed though.

we are more interested in value investing and real business stuff, plebs who like technical analysis, derivative blockchain shit and dropshipping will be mocked.

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Eugene Brubbernane - Tue, 04 Sep 2018 11:36:04 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209438 Reply
>>One guy samefagging is proof of my group's dominance
Achievable goals, fam.
Nathaniel Choddleworth - Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:07:09 EST Mo4+Pk2G No.209776 Reply
Investing in (real) silver coins is almost always profitable.
Fortune 500 companies as business partners 12 years down the line.

Americans hate everything besides cars

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- Mon, 28 May 2018 13:04:17 EST AwbVlekG No.209223
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Why are Americans so convinced that mass transit is a conspiracy?
If anything, there’s a pretty plain conspiracy to fund cars over every other mode of transportation.
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A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Sat, 07 Sep 2019 02:11:19 EST /G/Hwlm8 No.209770 Reply
No. States without insane restrictive building regulations, don't have that problem.
Nathaniel Choddleworth - Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:01:57 EST Mo4+Pk2G No.209775 Reply

Maybe because train cars were used as extermination cars in Nazi Germany?

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