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Philosophical anime by Simon Blackshaw - Mon, 14 Mar 2016 14:44:49 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.205314 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anybody got any philosophically deep anime recommendations?
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Phyllis Wullygold - Mon, 02 Jan 2017 20:07:43 EST ID:IgqkEVvR No.207535 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Barnaby Billingshaw - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 21:08:35 EST ID:rxoy98SS No.207585 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Just to add something:
Blame! (manga)

It doesn't really hold deep dialogues, but the world it proposes is really interesting (Automic building machines have been constructing a planet non-stop for millions of years after the death of mankind)

Also I've read somewhere that Akira was a metaphor for puberty. I should watch it again. Also, talking about Akira, Tetsuo the Iron Man is a good japanese film, with philosophical content.
Matilda Nobberpig - Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:44:18 EST ID:yxtVm4L5 No.207618 Ignore Report Quick Reply
FMA? it indulged my wiki browsing tendencies
Esther Bammerway - Fri, 20 Jan 2017 09:51:04 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207620 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I doubt anything Shonen really can be thrown into the Philosophical anime category. Like someone once said 'Naruto' is philosophical, and they tried to break it down for us, but at the end of the day shows like Naruto only champion entirely unrealistic and childish philosophies, like nobody has to die and friends can accomplish anything, and then the rest of the show is just unwitty quips being thrown around while people perform their special moves that for some reason only they know, kind of like super heroes who have a singular power.

The last philosophical anime I watched a few weeks ago was Tokyo Godfathers. It's not the dialogue so much that's philosophical, but it's the plot of the movie that is. It's both highly absurd, like clearly grasping Absurdism, while also clearly theological, like the movie's really about Christ using a baby to save three people down on their luck.
David Dringersot - Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:10:35 EST ID:cIoDz7iD No.207621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
well there's hunter x hunter for shonen. that's about it. it's pretty much the opposite of everything you just complained about in naruto.

Racism by Rebecca Greenwill - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:52:29 EST ID:RJGzRrNh No.207576 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Posting here because social sciences.

What really determines if someone is racist?
Earlier today i was walking to collect my mail and throw my rubbish in the bin when i passed some black kids a boy and a girl, we smiled and nodded at each other but about half way to the letterbox i felt an unease and immeditly thought that these kids were going to rob me, they didnt, but i cant ignore that thought. Am i racist? would i have thought that if they were white, maybe if they were tatted up white kids who seemed like they had a drug problem.

So what is racism? Was i being a racist?
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Sophie Hemmleked - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 11:13:30 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Running in circles and rationalizing an argument are two entirely separate things.

When one man has paragraphs to say about a subject, while his opponent has nothing to say except for a single-sentence joke to try and make the opponents argument seem laughable, I can't help but think that the person making the joke literally can't comprehend the things their opponent is saying and can't reply to it so they hide behind humor, much like Trevor Noah on the Daily Show. When Tomi was hitting Trevor with facts and rationality, all Trevor could do was reply with single-sentence quips, never actually discussing anything Tomi said.

Hannah Brozzlefit - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 20:54:31 EST ID:iAquTtgI No.207614 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He repeats the same shit over and over again, and it all boils down to "white people can't be racist cause some of them did a a nice thing once" it's not worth addressing with anything but a joke.
Edwin Hobblestock - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:32:10 EST ID:EKE5J6vY No.207615 Ignore Report Quick Reply

so u says all white ppl ar racis, and he says all white ppl not racis

so who racis?

wut a cownunderum
Shit Denkinnad - Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:19:05 EST ID:Y58cJ9N+ No.207617 Ignore Report Quick Reply
serious answer in disregard of the _S H I T S T O R M_ that the rest of this thread constitutes:

Racial prejudice determines whether you are racist. However you can then persue the question of where this prejudice comes from. Is it innate in you? is it something produced by your experiences and immediate environment - ie you dont live close to people of different races? is it something that has been produced in you through the media? Is it something that has been produced in you through social institutions such as school, police etc. and/or racial-social conditions (ie. black people are generally less wealthy than white people)

In other words there are many factors that can determine whether you as an individual are racist or not. Some of these factors are reified and others are malleable. Simply deciding that you are a racist (or not) based on one or a few pronouncements/conscious thoughts is a very small part of what you can look into - and you and people around you shouldn't put too much importance upon them. Racism, philosophically speaking, belongs to the virtual world and is not limited to your individual existence and is laid out in such a way as that you have a choice whether to take part in it or not, but there is also potential for subversion and escape.
Esther Drindlebanks - Fri, 20 Jan 2017 00:17:44 EST ID:NsFksadU No.207619 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>would i have thought that if they were white,

I would have thought that, because teenagers of any breed are usually troublemakers. It's a matter of statistics, not racism.

What do you think of a real life vigilante? by Polly Bundock - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:50:01 EST ID:MTaj+oHu No.207586 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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First of all this vigilante would have 100% evidence proving the person he killed was a horrible person. Like pimps taking advantage of children, gang members who's destroying youth and robberies, large drug dealers(not weed), rapists, serious frauds who ruined lives...

Basically anyone with lack of respect for life.

This vigilante would not be one of those "I believe this guy is guilty so I'm going to kill him" vigilantes, but one that abides by facts and evidence. Or let's say there's 100% evidence of a murder or rape but ended up walking free and plans on killing/raping again?

Now don't get me wrong I'm against murder, but sometimes there must be an exception.

Would vigilante justice be justified?

Share your thoughts.
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Eugene Drecklesane - Sun, 15 Jan 2017 01:56:21 EST ID:iAquTtgI No.207598 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It's impossible to engage in law enforcement apolitically.

Your stance on drugs, theft, even murder are based in your political view point. And I would imagine how you think those things should be punished are also rooted in your politics.

You mentioned rape, there are people who don't believe a man can rape his wife. There are people who will blame women for their own rapes, if it's date rape she had to of lead him on, taken advantage of while drunk then she shouldn't of been drunk, even if she's raped in an ally by a stranger (which is near non-existent compared to date rape) what was she thinking doing there, what was she wearing that caused the attack?
Walter Clenkinspear - Sun, 15 Jan 2017 04:00:24 EST ID:yeARW8t0 No.207600 Ignore Report Quick Reply

If a man can't rape his wife, shes not his wife.
Martha Fummerditch - Sun, 15 Jan 2017 07:02:42 EST ID:xA39R98b No.207601 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>You mentioned rape, there are people who don't believe a man can rape his wife. There are people who will blame women for their own rapes, if it's date rape she had to of lead him on, taken advantage of while drunk then she shouldn't of been drunk, even if she's raped in an ally by a stranger (which is near non-existent compared to date rape) what was she thinking doing there, what was she wearing that caused the attack?

Here's the thing the way I see it when it comes to rape - rape is an act of severe physical violence. I don't know much about raping but I know about physical violence. So whoever asks a woman what was she thinking of doing there, what was she wearing that caused the attack etc I'll ask them: you get beat up in an ally, wake up in your spill of blood, whole body is numb and the bone pain hits you so you know the jaws are probably broken and half your memory of it ereased - What were you thinking of doing there? What were you wearing that caused the attack?
I'm sure the response will be "Yeah that was kinda justified I should've not been there wearing my outfit." Or maybe that "It's a free country so I should be able to be where I want wearing what I like"

At this day and age rape has become a bit confusing topic due to abuse and misuse of the term, being taken advantage of by some females trying to regain their dignity after getting their pussy eaten out on a street at a saturday night. The term is thrown around too often at whatever case it could be remotely related so it lost it's meaning to an extent.
However the real rape situation itself as serious violence issue as it can get and when it's being blamed on the woman it's either 1) the person doesn't know much about the situation and is detached from physical violence in general; has a "sugar coated" vision of it in his mind (which is I believe is the most common, as the poster above me) 2) has self-serving and power greedy views with heavy psychopathic tendencies 3) is just plain confused in life in general and says anything for a bit of attention.
Martha Serringbod - Sun, 15 Jan 2017 08:03:27 EST ID:uTCRwoZc No.207602 Ignore Report Quick Reply
people lying about rape or trying to redefine it isn't nearly as big a problem as you think it is. it's just that the more controversial stories tend to be what get big in the news. obvious black and white open and shut cases don't get people riled up, they need something to argue about on facebook. "toxoplasma of rage" and all that.
Sophie Hemmleked - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 09:42:25 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207612 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>people lying about rape or trying to redefine it isn't nearly as big a problem as you think it is.
Even though, according to the 'new' definition of rape, every one of us (men) who have sex with a drunk woman are committing rape. Not to mention, now that rape has been watered down so much, when a woman says she's been raped, every guy stops and thinks, 'OK, so when she says she's been raped, does she mean that a man touched her innapropriately and she's one of those nut jobs who calls that rape, or like did she get ridiculously drunk and have sex and then regret it the next day (the most common form, I've found, when I was in college) or like did someone literally hold her down and force-fuck her? (the least common form, I've found)'.

Meditation by Phoebe Goodforth - Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:45:31 EST ID:/XQxUE3u No.204775 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys I'm just starting to learn how to meditate. So far I can go up to 3 minutes and after that I can't focus any longer. But, I'd say I'm starting off good.

How many of you here meditate on a daily basis? In what way does it help you? What is your favorite type of meditation?

I'm learning sleep meditation and zen. I want to broaden my horizons and love myself again. With this meditation I hope to achieve a higher level of being and be able to like myself and have a positive outlook on life.
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Matilda Trotforth - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:47:07 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207580 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Random and pointless.
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:24:47 EST ID:vano1wpA No.207582 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This book awoke me from my positivistic slumber, I can recommend if you've not already read it.
Hugh Pockbanks - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:32:40 EST ID:gXJXBtKQ No.207583 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Thanks op I'm going to start meditating again today. It helps me keep focus during other things, i find exercise way more effective for things like anxiety and depression. I like mantras because it gives me something to focus on rather than clear my head. Sometimes if i can keep up a good jog my mantra is simply breathe in and breathe out because I need to use all my focus to keep breathing otherwise I will stop running. Exercise while meditating is pretty fucking great afterward.
Reuben Gidgelutch - Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:07:36 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207606 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Sure, I'll take a look. Thank you. I appreciate recommendations. I know I said I don't just take philosophers at their word, but if there's concrete logic within this book then I'm sure it'll help me revise my own philosophy. That's how I operate; I'm constantly looking for concrete contradiction so that I may expel it from my philosophy. But if a subject has no contradiction but a lot of proof in it's favor, then I usually uphold it as most likely to be true, until a contradiction comes along.
Reuben Gidgelutch - Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:44:09 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207609 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So I haven't checked out Ludwig yet, I plan to, but first I wanted to ask you, are you arguing that we should be positivist or not positivist? Because I checked out Positivism and it seems very easily contradictable. Positivism claims that our external senses gather information with which we create positive facts from, yet when I studied Absurdism I'll never forget their stance on the senses; that the senses are unreliable. Descartes talks about how, in a dream he can feel the heat of fire, but he knows in reality he cannot feel the heat of the fire, his brain is merely being tricked. Knowing that the mind can be tricked into believing something unreal is real and vice versa, this leaves us realizing that senses are flawed and therefore cannot be our concrete grounding in philosophy even though, de facto, IRL, we live via Empricism, even though it's fundamentally wrong. It just so happens that it works out well for us. For all we know, though, really everything we know could be false, including the entirety of our own existence. We could be a brain in a vat being fed sensation, as they say.

Callout Culture by Basil Crindersun - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:44:07 EST ID:oDJItcGo No.207590 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Have y'all ever had the pleasure of being called out? I know the supposed purpose is this is to warn others about "dangerous" people but in practice I don't think I've ever seen it used like that. It's all nothing more than insecure people trying to outshame each other, usually hypocritically. Most fandom drama I've seen is played out exactly like that.

I'd put it on kids being immature, but grown adults do this sort of thing all the time. I think part of it is because people are jealous of other people's talents, so they target creators whose abilities they covert and hide behind the excuse of them drawing porn of children's cartoons of something.

I just wonder what motivates people to get so angry at cartoon drawings they have to attempt to destroy a person's life.
Nicholas Snodworth - Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:46:15 EST ID:FSAozKjO No.207592 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Is this a new maymay or something?

I don't know what you mean by called out in this context
Eugene Drecklesane - Sat, 14 Jan 2017 21:35:15 EST ID:iAquTtgI No.207594 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Did you mean shout out culture? Like when your on TV or the radio and you shout out your friends?
Isabella Crinnersag - Sat, 14 Jan 2017 23:43:17 EST ID:EVQrAmbi No.207596 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I took it as OP talking about "See something, say something"
Martha Fashford - Sun, 15 Jan 2017 12:34:25 EST ID:HLvcVSLF No.207603 Ignore Report Quick Reply
forgive me, I'm in my late 20s.

what the fuck is callout culture?
Nathaniel Hacklenurk - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:58:46 EST ID:Am93n9Du No.207616 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I've personally never been a part of an incident, but will try to represent my understanding of what calling someone out would be. It could be someone in a circle of friends, an organization, or a part of a broad movement, where their wrongdoing is made public. For example some dude has a pattern of molestation after getting drunk together, so one of the victims puts them on blast in that circle. Others in the circle speak up about similar experiences in the past. Drama ensues, maybe some sort of restitution process so the dude may make amends, but generally after being burned like that they aren't allowed at certain spaces and events, so they move elsewhere, no longer seen again.

Basically ostracized for doing something messed up.

I think it has its merits if used right, but it really has to be justified in a way that if their misdeeds weren't made public then the same thing could happen to others. Being called out for cartoon drawings really doesn't cut it because the drawings don't involve anyone else besides the artist. Being shamed in private for grotesque or lewd drawings is different than being publicly called out.

Skimmed a few articles and there seems to be contradictions about its meaning. Callout culture as I understand it was formed and practiced within radical circles, some of those networks were destroyed by successive call-outs, leaving a sense of distrust and vehemence. Alot of these articles discussing being called out for their words or beliefs rather than their actions are misplaced. It should involve in real life interactions, not discussions on the internet. There seems to be a push for a new accountability process, to not air dirty laundry, except in extreme cases, and resolve rather than ostracize.

Here's some interesting articles mostly in opposition, the latter link has a list of eight: https://sarahditum.com/2014/02/23/bad-faith-justice-ethics-of-the-call-out/

In one "The Problem with Callout Culture" the author gives an example:
>In my own industry, adult film, callout tactics were employed by a group of ins…
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Zoroastrianism by Hannah Haddlestone - Sun, 15 Jan 2017 03:26:24 EST ID:Vz5f1vq5 No.207599 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Yo /pss/,

What do you recommend I read if I want to know more about Zoroastrianism? Specifically orthodox but I'm open to any good material on the subject. My limitedresearch so far keeps telling me that the original holy texts are all written in a language that doesn't really translate well, so unlike other religions I can't just go and read their holy book because I've had trouble understanding which texts are the equivalent of canon. I want to get a deeper understanding than just what's in the wikipedia article, Help a dude out?

The Decline of The West by Edward Ducklecocke - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:21:07 EST ID:fk7xMmwU No.207331 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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I'm in the process of reading pic related and I've been interested in the idea that the West is in terminal decline and will soon collapse for a while now and I'm fairly convinced that The West is basically done. What do you guys think?
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Lillian Sessleridge - Sat, 10 Dec 2016 03:10:02 EST ID:2IPvcf8v No.207437 Ignore Report Quick Reply
As long as the economic collapse isn't insanely fast, then there should be enough time that it gives me people time to start advancing technology. Considering the way that labs can run on deficits and grants from governments that don't really have the money, things aren't going collapse as far as progress goes too easily. What I'm saying is baring some sort of catastrophic full scale meltdown? The people who make technology and can help mitigate some of the major long term problems will have a very good chance of being able to put their solutions in place.

This is one of those areas where money has its benefits. And with enough desperation science is way more likely to find solutions to whatever problems will come with people continuing to live on the planet. The problem? It'll be prohibitively expensive, this means that you could be looking at if the earth gets bad enough? A future where only those who are deemed to be worth living. And that is living like those at the top of society.

How will those at the top of society differ? They'll be augmented, and in the event of a biological collapse that means that they'll be able to withstand a toxic enviroment. Normal pathetic humans dying out, while our augmented "worthy" betters live on. This is where I see western civilization ending up with enough time op. Humanity, western civilization aren't going to go completely out. But there's only going to be a place for those that can survive the toxic planet, those who can survive the post collapse world. What will live on? A class of nano augmented "betters". I can see it all clearly.
Lillian Chaggledure - Sun, 11 Dec 2016 08:09:05 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>And that is living like those at the top of society.

And that's a problem too.

See my post here.
Any major loss of genetic info from the human genepool could have far reaching effects on mankind in the future, especially if for some reason we stop researching (human) genetic engineering.

You can imagine a future, where mankind survives with a mad gamble of keeping only the "elite" alive with technology, only to have them slowly go extinct over a couple thousand years of horrible diseases killing off the left overs due to an genetically eroded human genome.
John Naffingbury - Mon, 12 Dec 2016 10:25:55 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207448 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Or, you know, in a thousand years things like disease won't exist because humans will have finally/completely converted themselves into machines and our current genetics won't mean anything significant.

It won't be the elites staying alive through technology. In case you didn't know, everything the elites have trickles down to the common man in a matter of a decade or two, aside from their mansions and jets. One decade we'll have all the elite becoming partially cybernetic, then the next decade or two everyone in the First World will be becoming partially cybernetic, and then like 100 years after that humanity will have very few reasons to stay human at all.
Augustus Seblingpodging - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:36:21 EST ID:yeARW8t0 No.207588 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Tvrkroach mad he cant ever be trubyzantine detected.
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Sat, 14 Jan 2017 19:52:56 EST ID:vano1wpA No.207593 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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ITT delirious technocrats delude themselves into believing nanobots will save us.

Existential dread by Polly Pishbanks - Sat, 31 Dec 2016 11:50:50 EST ID:fxoRXnTe No.207530 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey /pss/, sorry for not being more philosophical, but I would like to get some advice from you all. It'll be hard to present my problem in a way that will yield the best results, so bear with me.
My friend has been struggling with finding a meaning to life. He's very intellectual, so he has done a lot of his own research by way of philosophy, and I'm pretty sure he considers himself an Absurdist. But he's not comfortable with the fact that nothing has meaning. Now I've read some Camus and I do agree that there is some quelling of these anxieties in the fact that at least Nothing is real, but this isn't enough for my friend. I've tried to get him to explain his feelings a bit more but I don't want to act like I'm analyzing him by writing things down as he explains. So again, I apologize if none of this is very clear.

That being said, I'll share some of the things I can recall him saying. He says he's bored with everything, and a lot of things that once gave him joy fail to excite him any longer. Some of these things are simple, such as video games, and he says he dislikes activities like this because they're not beneficial over time. So I ask why he doesn't do something that is beneficial, such as reading a book or learning something new. He does a lot of reading and learning, but again argues that even all this knowledge he acquires has no benefit because it will all die with him. Another thing I noticed when he talks about this is that he often says 'nothing matters on a cosmic level'. I tried saying that everything serves a purpose, using the example I read on here how a table is more than the sum of its parts, it serves a purpose for us to use it to rest things on. He then said that everything is nothing but atoms, and atoms have no purpose and that they simply exist.

I don't know. He finds no purpose in anything. I want to help him find a purpose for at least some things. Science can't really prove that there is a meaning for things, so I'm at a loss for what to tell him.
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Phoebe Berrypag - Thu, 05 Jan 2017 03:31:32 EST ID:M2a7S9cl No.207548 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207547 (continued)
However the examination of the question and of the negation has given us all that it can. We have been referred by it to empirical freedom as the nihilation of man in the heart of temporality and as the necessary condition for the transcending apprehension of negatites. It remains to found this empirical freedom. It can not be both the original nihilation and the ground of all nihilation. Actually it contributes to constituting transcendences in immanence which condition all negative transcendences. But the very fact that the transcendences of empirical freedom are constituted in immanence as transcendence shows us that we are dealing with secondary nihilations which suppose the existence of an original nothingness. They are only a stage in the analytical regression which leads us from the examples of transcendence called "negatites" to the being which is its own nothingness. Evidently it is necessary to find the foundation of all negation in a nihilation which is exercised in the very heart of immanence; in absolute immanence, in the pure subjectivity of the instantaneous cogito we must discover the original act by which man is to himself his own nothingness. What must be the nature of consciousness in order that man in consciousness and in terms of consciousness should arise in the world as the being who is his own nothingness and by whom nothingness comes into the world?

We seem to lack here the instrument to permit us to resolve this new problem; negation directly engages only freedom. We must find in freedom itself the conduct which will permit us to push further. Now this conduct, which will lead us to the threshold of immanence and which remains still sufficiently objective so that we can objectively disengage its conditions of possibility--this we have already encountered. Have we not remarked earlier that in bad faith, we are-anguish-in-order-to-flee-anguish within the unity of a single consciousness? If bad faith is to be possible, we should be able within the same consciousness to meet with the unity of being and non-being--the being-in-order-not-to-be. Bad faith is going to be the next object of our investigation. For man to be able to question, he must be ca…
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rip my nigga schopenhauer - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 02:41:59 EST ID:0vuN1kCU No.207567 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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The sole driving force behind all life, the will to be, is a blind urge that cannot, and will never be fulfilled. All the contents of the average human life is a salad bowl of circumstantial, transitory desires that do more to obliterate one's connection to their will to live than to advance any endeavor they may want to undertake before death.

Suicide isn't an option because you're just removing yourself from the flow of suffering that is wringing the life out of those who still live. Nothing static is solved by voluntary death.

So what we have left is the waiting period between life and death. Reaching towards significance through art and science allows us to contemplate the greater workings of our existence, which in turn temporarily alleviates existential dread.

The catch is art and science are bound by distraction and boredom, which is what the quantifiable majority of human life is made up of. This results in the feeling of emptiness most people carry around, which causes some to think life is meaningless, driving some to seek meaning as a permanent resolution to their mortal discomforts, and driving others to opt out of the squirming altogether.
the flicker !FwnV7hV52I - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 03:32:51 EST ID:vano1wpA No.207570 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>All the contents of the average human life is a salad bowl of circumstantial, transitory desires that do more to obliterate one's connection to their will to live than to advance any endeavor they may want to undertake before death.
Gotta be honest, this is a pretty bad sentence homie.
Molly Farrystone - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 19:07:26 EST ID:0vuN1kCU No.207571 Ignore Report Quick Reply
thanks for the heads up you fuckin nerd
Reuben Wirrystock - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:49:47 EST ID:Kyyd6tev No.207581 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>one grammatical error
>pretty bad
fo you i fix
>All the contents of the average human life are a salad bowl of circumstantial, transitory desires that do more to wear down their will to live than to advance any endeavor that one may want to undertake in life.

Ancient Chinese story by Sidney Pezzlekere - Thu, 15 Dec 2016 16:46:46 EST ID:0bScNOuz No.207458 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey /pss/. I don't really venture into the social sciences too much so I'm not sure if this would be better suited for /his/ or not. In any case, a friend of mine who was a student of Eastern philosophy recently died. I have since then been trying to tack down a story he once told me. It was about an ancient philosopher who I think was Chinese. The story had the philosopher lying in a ditch when a person comes along and offers to help him. The philosopher made some clever remark and refused the man's help. I believe he said something about no one being able to help him but himself, or maybe he just liked the ditch or some other nonsense.

Does anyone on /pss/ know a possible source for this story or the name of the philosopher? I have tried multiple search engines and quieries to no avail.
Shitting Gadgefoot - Sun, 18 Dec 2016 04:37:44 EST ID:j9/Y0UW9 No.207472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Isn't this just another version of the "No thank you, I am a holy man, God will save me" story/joke? A man in trouble refuses the help of men coming to his aid saying that God will save him because he is a faithful man and believes in God, and eventually the man dies and when he gets to heaven he asks God why he didn't save him and God's like well I sent three guys to help you out dude!
Thomas Pockstock - Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:43:02 EST ID:iAquTtgI No.207473 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's one about two monks who help a lady across a river and the lady doesn't say thank you, so later that day the young monk is like fuck that bitch and the old monk says "I carried her across the river, you've been carrying her all day."
Hannah Feblingfit - Mon, 19 Dec 2016 16:58:22 EST ID:rKFvzvQa No.207490 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It may be a variation on one of those common stories. I was just wondering since I'm sure my friend said a particular name when he told it and I wanted to be able to look up the original text it came from. Thanks for taking a look at this.
Eugene Pendlemut - Thu, 12 Jan 2017 06:05:50 EST ID:Jv6wkL6u No.207573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
pretty sure that the story OP is talking about is a zen koan, though I can't remember the specific koan in question.

Google "The Gateless Gate" and "Shobogenzo" and get reading, it'll be floating around somewhere on the internet.

We have to talk about louie ck by Beatrice Cloffingman - Mon, 26 Dec 2016 00:52:00 EST ID:ZQywfuGk No.207508 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Now louie is alright but there is something that he said which got me thinking like a dog stuck in the dog door. You see that guy was on a interview and he comes up with this way of looking where "a little white girl doesn't get to complain". He continues on about how when his kid was sick and he got her flavored medicine which she didn't want. "what do you mean no? People are starving to death and you say no!? You don't get to!"

And it hit me, okay she is not starving and that's better than the alternative but in a way, she resembles what society has sacrificed inorder to not starve. That little girl sick but she still thinking about petty shit like the flavor of her medicine, she forever in this headspace where things like that matter. The sacrifice is a clear mind replaced by that of something like a consumer.
Phoebe Semmlestog - Mon, 26 Dec 2016 22:57:20 EST ID:DLzNkYBL No.207511 Ignore Report Quick Reply
So it sounds to me like Lou is pretty much on point with this observation. But I don't know if he's getting at that is creating a consumerist mentality, it's really just a re-telling of the 'first world problems' meme.
Ernest Godgestare - Thu, 29 Dec 2016 16:46:25 EST ID:2IPvcf8v No.207522 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well its not really a new point or anything. But consumerism sure has turned around and created a strange culture. And its made some hellish kids thats for sure. Don't think that there was a time prior to industrialization that average people could afford to lavish their child with all sorts of things at a whim.

Consumer culture creates a lot of crying. A lot of give me. Buy me this. I need that. I mean obviously first world problems, but hey there sure isn't any going back on it. Most People would never get up comfort to get away from that. Can only imagine how poorly behaved kids are gonna be in a 100 years.
Rebecca Huzzleshaw - Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:25:03 EST ID:yJ+BqvQx No.207572 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Consumerism is also the root of Lifestylism, like Trans Culture.
That there's a culture with a lifestyle including body modification and tribal code words and the whole nine yards. It's just breathtaking, the way Consumerism makes people feel so incomplete, and the fact it can even turn a concept like incomplete into a positive or negative thing, the spook of a requirement for completion, a requirement to get at something that can't be got.
That's the mental illness aspect-- that people are killing themselves to get at shit that doesn't exist, or isn't this thing that they think it is.

If the Bible is the word of God by Nigel Gerryshit - Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:43:35 EST ID:oxJMfop8 No.201897 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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why the fuck doesn't it have anything in it like

  1. Genetics and how all that shit works

2. The laws of physics

3. How to build an environmentally friendly engine

4. How to cure cancer

5. How to prevent the bubonic plague?

I'm serious.

Why didn't God just include all that stuff?
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Angus Billingstone - Fri, 06 Jan 2017 19:59:48 EST ID:5FY/Jbq3 No.207553 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The more genuine a board proposes to be, the worse it is. /pss/ is about high intellectual discussion, so in fact it's dickwaving and shitposting. /qq/ is about venting and support, so it's cannibalistic.

/b/ is about trolling and shitposting, so instead it's philosophy, people seeking kind words, and anime.
Emma Cesslehit - Mon, 09 Jan 2017 01:14:16 EST ID:NsFksadU No.207565 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Hey man this was a good thread, it deserves posterity. I don't know why you're complaining anyway.

You want perspective, you got a shit load of perspectives here.
Thomas Blackway - Mon, 09 Jan 2017 19:49:13 EST ID:Z08uqMmD No.207566 Ignore Report Quick Reply
OP, your post reminds me of when I first questioned Christianity as the belief system I was raised in.

Here's a conclusion to your inevitably long line of questioning:

Religion is a fiction people tell themselves to cope with the fact that they will eventually die. When you die, you enter a black void of nothingness, and you will not even know that you passed through that void because you will simply not exist. Nothing you do in this life matters because regardless of any lasting impact you may have on society, it will eventually crumble into ultimate entropy.

You should feel liberated; this means you have the freedom to pursue anything you wish. Though I have to admit, even though I believe all this, I find myself still getting caught up in the daily grind; planning for a future that ultimately means nothing, caught in endless loops of behavior.

I say YOLOSWAG it. Even though I don't follow this ideology, this is how we should live our lives. The only thing really worth doing is enjoying yourself and helping others through this mess of life.
Lydia Nucklefield - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:38:47 EST ID:xA39R98b No.207568 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You know why I'm complaining because at best this thread is "lets try and have some jokes on this overlayered topic again". Shit's overplayed and boring, barely has any substance in it.

Why didn't people in year 300 didn't have today's view of the world? Might as well keep this line of questioning and ponder on why did men dress like faggots during reneissance?

Basically every thread on christianity / islam / religion is a bait thread since the dotcom bubble and STILL everyone catches the bait, feels like they've got something to add and tries to convert someone.
Yeah the fucker thinks a superpower is or isn't seeing him. Nothing new here and nothing's gonna change except an even bigger gap of trust between groups people.

Btw sometimes I'm also inclined to reply and be like "tell ya what" but I've learned it's less frustrating avoid it and say fuck it. Nobody's reading your counter-argument with "oh you've got a good point there." Except rare cases, everybody's reading it with only a counter-attack in mind. And that's an infinite loop of silly smart-assing. You won't counter-rationalize someone's years' train of thought and insist yours is better because x and y and people around you agree. Both sides got it the same way with different details.

kind words is a bit of exaggeration of perspective
John Willerpure - Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:57:24 EST ID:NsFksadU No.207569 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Well I don't think it's a good thing for this forum as a whole to shy away from a subject such as religion just because you don't like it. The opening question might have been moronic on the surface, but it's the contribution of everyone that adds value to the discussion.

Yes people take different sides, but it's important for everyone to keep an open mind and at least try to see how the other person thinks.

Yes people make jokes on the subject, but as they say, humor is the health of the soul. You've got to look past the smart-assing and see the true soulful message within. Don't act like people can never change their opinion on something, it happens every day.

NDE by Graham Docklewill - Wed, 04 Jan 2017 15:30:31 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207543 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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So I've had a few NDE's, one of which was ongoing for months and months while the others were instantaneous. It was really the one that went on for months that had the most drastic impact by far.

But anyway, I noticed that I actually line up with all of these symptoms of NDE.
Anyone else here a fellow NDE'er?
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Ebenezer Bloshworth - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 08:05:39 EST ID:xA39R98b No.207560 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I connect with the statement he made and see it this way:

Our consciousness is predisposed one way or another to not let it's full range be seen / known to us at our current stage of evolution. It's basic desire / goal is to experience and learn and it has realized down the line the experiencing and learning would become limited if we know and see everything in full range already. It's like opening up GTA San Andreas the first time and you've got 100% saved game with 98m. Now you don't even care about killing ballas anymore, you think you're just so far ahead. Or imagine living like the movie Limitless portrays. If everybody saw so far ahead, that there would be little to no chance for a downfall, the possibilities for deep-rooted lessons would become very limited. Eventually, I assume, people would be living their bliss with no burning desire (and I mean BURNING something like the desire to become wealthy that being all-out broke with a dream gives) to do anything, except longetivity. The huge unknown that's in front of our lives simply gives us all the possibilities and probabilities and is a tool of discovery.

Your consciousness wants to learn about self, so it wants to know and see how will you act and come along if X is Y, then Z happens. I believe there's a certain hierarchy of intelligence in play when it comes to our lives, minds and bodies, and I think we're somewhere at the mid-point or below the centerline. Basically I think we're noobs in the game of universe.
Ebenezer Bloshworth - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 08:10:57 EST ID:xA39R98b No.207561 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh and free will. The unknown gives us or expands our free will.
Charlotte Bluddlegold - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:48:51 EST ID:BKJX7E+7 No.207562 Ignore Report Quick Reply

>If consciousness is infinite and immortal, it is in your body's best interest, and is an emergent evolutionary phenomenon, for you to have no knowledge of this.

Yet there's plenty of religions that argue that we indeed have an immortal consciousness in the form of a soul. Believers "know" this to be true, and indeed act like it as well.

So there'd be a real issue here with your argument if we're gonna take the evolution of mind into context here.

My argument was that NDEs exist as a behavioral strategy to survive in the event that your old behaviors leads to your near-death. Sure, not a strong point and I can think of many counter-arguments, both evolutionary and philosophical, against it.

But yours is that the body itself has some mechanisms to prevent us from realizing our supposed immortal nature. This is in my view even worse, for example wouldn't our bodies prevent the development of spiritual religion as a consequence?
Cornelius Gottingridge - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 17:49:58 EST ID:2GsJcMxc No.207563 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No, there are evolutionary benefits to believing in spiritual things without knowing them in the same way we know the feeling of gravity pushing our bodies down. it can help reduce anxiety and fear, and give one a sense of purpose to believe in spiritual things.

It's just like temperature. If we get too hot, we die, but with no heat we also die. There is an ideal amount of heat.

In the same way, there is an ideal amount of spiritual knowledge - a vague intuition, backed by belief. If the body allowed us to have too much spiritual knowledge it would threaten the body's survival, and if it allowed none, not even an unformed intuition of meaning, then its survival would also be threatened by nihilism which would lead to suicide of excessive risk-taking.

In fact, because religion and spirituality have evolved, we could say that it's in the body's interest to allow us to have partial, vague, obfuscated intuitions of immortality, while restricting clear knowledge of it.

I'm in a rush and I'm not alone right now, so this might not be as well formulated as it could have been.
Jarvis Greencocke - Sat, 07 Jan 2017 21:57:39 EST ID:Z08uqMmD No.207564 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I'm a little drunk so I couldn't read the whole thing, but I've almost died several times; not from physiological trauma, but from a more instantaneous variety.

I show alot of the outcomes, including a lack of fear of death, although a healty fear of dying stays with me; I don't think dying will be pleasant though the aftermath will be fine.

The most pronounced NDE that I had involved rolling in a car. I was uninjured, but was able to see my relative importance in this world. Watching the traffic on the highway pass by my totalled car, it showed me how insignificant I am to this world. The world just kept on moving past my world changing event. It made me cry at first, huddled up in a blanket I scavenged from my trunk, on the side of the highway. I'm not sure why I cried, maybe just coming to terms with how insignificant I am.

Well that's what I took from it.

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