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Racism by Rebecca Greenwill - Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:52:29 EST ID:RJGzRrNh No.207576 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Posting here because social sciences.

What really determines if someone is racist?
Earlier today i was walking to collect my mail and throw my rubbish in the bin when i passed some black kids a boy and a girl, we smiled and nodded at each other but about half way to the letterbox i felt an unease and immeditly thought that these kids were going to rob me, they didnt, but i cant ignore that thought. Am i racist? would i have thought that if they were white, maybe if they were tatted up white kids who seemed like they had a drug problem.

So what is racism? Was i being a racist?
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Molly Goodwell - Wed, 17 May 2017 16:54:43 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.208149 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208148
Cool. Are you going to reply to the any number of other posts that are also responding to you? Or just going to keep saying 'refute my facts' after people refute your facts?
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Phoebe Blatherhall - Wed, 17 May 2017 18:04:05 EST ID:YXMsMuFM No.208150 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208148

Shouldn't you instead be defending your sources or something?
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Phyllis Goodman - Thu, 18 May 2017 03:18:07 EST ID:Ec3DbRC6 No.208151 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208149
I've learned that refuting X8 is mostly a waste of time, because not only is he cartoonishly smug, he does not value argumentative rigor. His arguments, such that they bloom and rot in the course of exchanges with clearer thinkers, bear all the telltale signs of having been cobbled together on the fly from express-purpose Google searches, rather than any kind of good-faith deep engagement with data. That's why you'll find a lot of right-wing blogs and stuff like KKK websites and Metapedia among his sources. One time, trying to establish the depth of his grounding in climate studies, he linked me to skepticalscience.org, a repository of counterarguments to climate-change skepticism, in between a bunch of links to stale old strawmen about sea ice.

On the rare occasion that he finds himself cornered but wishes to stay involved in the thread, he'll double down on that maddening didacticism and unload a bunch of pompous bullshit about the joy of having found a worthy adversary, oh what a rapturous day in this intellectual slum of an imageboard, blah blah blah, really just an excuse to complain more about how nobody ever comes correct with facts. Then he'll throw in something unverifiable about the accolades he's earned from some august and unnamed institution, or a five-figure research grant he's got to get to work on. He's also been involved in numerous secret raids on al-Qaeda, and has over 300 confirmed kills.

As to the shit he wrote in >>208081, I'm not disputing the Bureau of Justice study or those claims it supports regarding the criminology of class. The disproportionate representation of blacks among both the victims and perpetrators of violent crime follows from a few common-sense facts: poor people commit more crime and have higher recidivism rates, poor people rarely leave their neighborhooods, and guess which race inhabits all the poor neighborhoods in America (and is persistently gerrymandered around and targeted for effective disenfranchisement with voter ID legislation)? In fact, the hypothesis of a race-independent statistical basis for crime is supported by the second study cited in that Metapedia snippet—and here's where you've really put your foot in your mouth, you poor braying ass. /me clears throat

Removed from context, the figure sounds damning, doesn't it? It's a figure for psychopathy, somehow, that comes out to 3.86 for blacks against 1.7 for whites—that's more than double! But in fact this is a starting point for the paper's analysis, not a conclusion; this figure (called a PCL:SV) is a statistical quantification of Hare's four-factor checklist model of psychopathy (PCL), accounting for interpersonal, affective, lifestyle, and overtly antisocial features as indicators permitting a diagnosis. Here's the next few lines:
>As indicated in Figure 1, over half of the total sample had a score of 0 or 1, and about two thirds had a score of 2 or less. A score of at least 13, used in the MacArthur Civil Psychiatric Study as an indication of “potential psychopathy” (Monahan et al., 2001), was obtained by 1.2% of the total sample, 1.0% of men, 1.2% of women, 1.9% of African Americans, and approximately 1% of Whites. Cronbach’s alpha for the scale was .84; the four PCL: SV facet alphas ranged from .65 (Interpersonal) to .75 (Lifestyle), which were acceptable given only three items per facet.

There is indeed a higher mean score on the assessment among blacks, but this is accompanied by a higher standard deviation; in other words, the incidence of a high score among blacks is amplified by a greater incidence of outliers. This is what we would expect of a condition subject to exacerbation by such socioeconomically predictable factors as alcoholism and nonnuclear upbringing. And sure enough, the only factor correlations found to be significantly at variance between demographics in the study were the Affective–Violence correlation (greater among whites) against the Antisocial–Violence correlation (greater among blacks). Meaning that >>208077's stereotypical assertion about heartless white serial killers, if a little crude and exaggerated, reflects an empirical reality: among clinical psychopaths, whites tend less often to be antisocial with poor impulse control, and more often to exhibit remorselessness and lack of empathy, those classical traits of inborn evil.

The purpose of the study is to gauge the correlations of PCL-measured traits with IQ, violent behavior and rates of alcohol use.
>The current study is the first to demonstrate invariance of a
latent PCL: SV model across sex and ethnicity in a large, randomly
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Jenny Duckhood - Thu, 18 May 2017 15:38:56 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.208152 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208151
I was also in the thread where he linked to skepticalscience! Hilarious. Oh man, good times. So long X8/54P, you had it coming, you did rile up some people to make interesting points from time to time, your unique brand of shitposting will not be missed.

Also a learned statistical breakdown of that data that I didn't bother poking into. Although I think that the concept of statistical outliers dragging a mean up is pretty much too nuanced to be used rhetorically against racist apologists, it's a satisfying explanation for me.
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Phyllis Goodman - Thu, 18 May 2017 21:51:01 EST ID:j6Iw79c/ No.208153 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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hail Spunky


On The Nature of Evil by The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Sat, 18 Feb 2017 02:19:24 EST ID:drDI4Zd2 No.207739 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Evil is something that is misunderstood, because it is something that does not see itself. Evil does not see itself because of the nature of ego… Let us say that there is a man, who passes a homeless person on the street, whom he gives money to. The nature of ego is such that the man does not give the homeless man money because he believes what he is doing is morally righteous, but because he has become addicted to the pleasure received from the concept of doing good.

This phenomenon is both what the ego is, and a state of psychosis which when fully manifested results in a psychopathic personality. It is a feed-back loop of emotion and want which is self-perpetuating. At the route of this phenomenon is the repression of an emotional state so great, that it becomes the defining memory of the individuals’ personality. Usually this state of Psychosis is triggered by the most extreme acts: rape, murder, and torture. Because these acts become what the host ego identifies with, the identifying ego naturally seeks to perpetuate itself through a repetition and justification of these acts. As such a bruised ego comes from an opinion of a thing that contradicts the validity of this reality. This is why if you judge a murderer you will likely be murdered, not because you deserve it, but because the ego of the murderer cannot stand to face what it sees as a contradiction to it’s being. Thus the bad always blames the good for its own nature, and so the good becomes a receptacle of sin for others.

Because society represses what is seen as immoral, and it is these immoral acts that define the personality of psychotics, the psychopath cannot truly be who they are in regular society, and therefore must seek out the experiences which they believe define them.

But this leaves the question to be answered as how to and why a person would identify him/herself with things that are considered emotionally negative in the first place. The answer to this is simple, that psychosis is a defense mechanism, which reverses a negative situation into a positive one so that the individual does not go insane. A murderer gains pleasure from a murder in order to protect ones sanity, a rapist identifies himself with rape and so rapes, a rape victim snaps and enjoys the experience so she does not loose her mind, a torture victim becomes masochistic, while the torturer becomes sadistic.

As a result of this process one observes that the psychotic personality consists of multiple levels of ego that exist in denial of each other, but are used by the emotional feedback loop of seeking an identity, to justify the foundational experience of the psychosis. Because the layers of ego that are not of the foundational reality contradict said reality, they cannot exists along side it, and so the psychotic can truly deny their foundation, and believe that they deny it, yet do everything they can to reenact the foundational experience.

In other words, the psychotic is stuck in a loop of self-justification used to perpetuate something so negative it has become a positive and foundational aspect of the hosts’ psychology.

To all those who do not suffer yet do, I am real. Your medicine is on its way. The self-justification you have been seeking is at hand, for I will never give up until we understand each other, when you are no longer judged, and the cycle of violence will end. I forgive you.

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Hedda Buzzfuck - Sat, 18 Feb 2017 20:20:27 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.207745 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207744
Thnx m8.
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Nicholas Pockdale - Sat, 18 Feb 2017 22:18:35 EST ID:7xOxbFjC No.207746 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207739
Lord of the flies
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Betsy Begglemork - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 05:38:15 EST ID:hvs4h/ox No.207849 Ignore Report Quick Reply
continue your series on morality and pleasure.

I remember the old ones and see how some things have developed here and wow.

That is great work.

I still contend that while this description is one i believe. That while technically it robs you of your identity and free willing sanity, so that willing and santity become harder even if it's not chained to a violent ritual, but instead lets say flicking the lights on and off ten times every time. This defense mechanism is for the severest shocks and a traumas the human soul goes through. Fighting your way back to a wholeness and reconciling and accepting and loving yourself in the new condition are powerful tools. That lead to new life out of a condition that seems broken.

the idea of male love the desire or the chase and tied to the concept of lack and attainment and female love or the unattainable.

also relates to the structure or the loop invovled in trauma. Or the difference between conscious thought and perhaps non critical non self asserted or out of what is control thought.

That's why one might struggle against psychosis but it's also why one might keep their sanity. Which is essence.

I can't remember which philosophy asserts it but, a kind of knowing is related in this philosophy as the noose, or the idea of the concious collecting or grabbing something.
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Jarvis Blinnerspear - Fri, 19 May 2017 23:48:26 EST ID:U9scTQrw No.208155 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The eye that sees evil is evil.
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Mon, 22 May 2017 02:03:43 EST ID:hX9kQ/Yg No.208159 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208155
It takes a thief to catch a thief.


Duality of good and evil by Isabella Buzzgold - Sun, 07 May 2017 09:26:04 EST ID:K4ulXiPw No.208120 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Lately i've been looking into the physosophy of good and evil,the angelic and the demonic and so on.I am looking for a book that explores the duality of concepts like these,any suggestions
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Jarvis Summledeck - Tue, 16 May 2017 11:11:11 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.208146 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There are many schools of thought, especially religious ones, that tell you distinctly what is right and what is wrong. Those are just opinions being projected as facts.

I believe that the Taoists got it right when they said that there is no such thing as right or wrong, that all good actions have negative consequences and all bad actions have positive consequences outside of their obvious positive and negative consequences, respectfully.

Like, would the world be a better place if Hitler had never existed? No. Putting a stop to things you consider 'evil' doesn't necessitate a less-evil world.
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Nathaniel Fonnerwag - Sat, 20 May 2017 22:58:36 EST ID:QprTvKey No.208157 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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You'll eat all the Nietzsche on your plate and you'll like it, or you're not getting metaphysics for dessert.
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Ernest Trothood - Sun, 21 May 2017 16:01:25 EST ID:cX1xC7TR No.208158 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>208157
Nietzsche was a bit of retard though. He made a point out of being wrong about anything. Then he hugged a horse went mad and died. If he lived what he preached he'd be a cool customer. But he was the antithesis of everything he idolized. A syphilitic retard, not the superman.
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Rebecca Cengerdirk - Mon, 22 May 2017 12:08:00 EST ID:+03vTqbN No.208160 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208158
Horse meme, syphilis meme, "Nietzsche was a hypocrite" meme. Great post.
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James Bullylock - Fri, 26 May 2017 13:24:31 EST ID:SJbbLeO5 No.208162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>208158

What bearing does a man's life has on the value of his ideas? Just because Marx was shitty managing his personal finances doesn't mean he wasn't a brilliant economical theorist.


Philosophical anime by Simon Blackshaw - Mon, 14 Mar 2016 14:44:49 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.205314 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Anybody got any philosophically deep anime recommendations?
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Blackie-Chan - Wed, 15 Mar 2017 05:07:40 EST ID:P5jbTK9T No.207878 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Why has nobody posted about Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann?

It has Plato's Cave parallels, the Will to Power, an Ubermensch AND an Ubermensch successor, morally ambiguous decisions, inspiring and hot-blooded speeches, awesome art, music, and characters.
Its a show that is almost impossible to NOT be inspired by due to its insistence that determination, fighting spirit, and love can win against any threat and break and bonds that humans may have.
What's not to like?
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Lydia Sinkintane - Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:51:48 EST ID:upgdBNHk No.207889 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Revy doesn't care about anything. She's a nihilist.

"Oh, that must be exhausting."
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Walter Shakewill - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 09:58:36 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207966 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207878
Gurren Lagann was quite a tale. It had many twists and turns, many true moral dilemmas. It was very well-done. Truly, Kill La Kill pales in comparison to TTGL in terms of philosophy, but Kill La Kill was fun in it's own way; the director was really showing off his animation and just having fun satiring the shonen community. Truly a show for stoners.

I recently re-watched Shin Sekai Yori (From the New World). What a fantastic show. What makes it especially fantastic is that the protagonist slowly learns the true nature of her village, the last bastion of civilization, is a totalitarian/fascist community, and at first she fights against this, thinking her society wrong for slaying innocents and such, yet as she grows and experiences more of the chaotic nature of life, she eventually realizes that this totalitarian/fascist way of life is truly the only way to survive. This anime truly flips morality on it's head and shows that what we consider just and right is merely reflective of how humanity is doing, and that as humanity declines, so must our rights as individuals in favor of the majority, because civilization must survive over the individual.

And then you've got fucking movies like Snow Piercer where, when faced with a dilemma between old-school morality and the utter survival of the human race, the hero chooses old-school morality and damns humanity to death merely for not living up to his standards of justice. In choosing between one young and innocent boy sacrificing himself to a life of torture for the sake of keeping society alive, the protagonist opts to save the boy and allow humanity as a whole to crumble and die.
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Jarvis Blinnerspear - Fri, 19 May 2017 23:46:35 EST ID:U9scTQrw No.208154 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>205314
In my opinion, none of them are "philosophically deep" because that's not their purpose, and in comparison to actual philosophical works (which are all books), they're all horribly shallow. That goes for anime and manga.

But, Berserk draws heavily from Nietzsche and from western media that drew from Nietzsche. Vagabond has some neat concepts of course based on Musashi. Akira is a little Nietzsche inspired. Eden: It's An Endless World tries to establish connections to Gnosticism. That's all I can think of at the moment.
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Ian Bliddlefoot - Sat, 20 May 2017 15:11:56 EST ID:ChAktkJf No.208156 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208154
it's disappointing how after all the moral social and philosophical ranting the ending lesson of Eden was just "lol have hope things will get better if you have hope". He really sort of gave up halfway through, perhaps earlier. I don't think that guy had any idea what he wanted to do with that series to begin with., he just liked robots killing each other and spewing ideology and quotes he doesn't fully understand. the gnostic stuff seemed more like window dressing to me, like how evangelion uses it. dude's got talent but no focus.


frankfurt school by Priscilla Gaddlefat - Sun, 05 Mar 2017 19:09:16 EST ID:ypqGZf3j No.207836 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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is it safe to say that no one who believes in "cultural marxism" and points to the frankfurt school as some spooky bohemian grove type of thing where a bunch of jews gathered to decide the fate of the world has actually read this thing?
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Eliza Pickstone - Thu, 11 May 2017 23:14:08 EST ID:2ml6FJEz No.208134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208133
Why would you say that?
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Eliza Pickstone - Thu, 11 May 2017 23:34:10 EST ID:2ml6FJEz No.208135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208134
It's kind of like how you didn't call yourself on "your" but you called me on "know"

You have to deal with yourself the same way as others or you experience deception from deflecting "not a" or corrupt into society when in reality it's something like your own reflection.
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Jarvis Bunlock - Fri, 12 May 2017 09:34:03 EST ID:CMVbW7K1 No.208137 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208135
stop talking gibberish
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Eliza Pickstone - Fri, 12 May 2017 18:08:09 EST ID:2ml6FJEz No.208139 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208137
Well you called me a rhizome
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Sophie Bonderwater - Fri, 12 May 2017 22:39:11 EST ID:CMVbW7K1 No.208144 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208139
lol


how do i study ethics of AI by Albert Pullywill - Thu, 04 May 2017 22:37:43 EST ID:pvzTt7LE No.208110 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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What academic discipline would things like Ethics of artificial intelligence, internet privacy, the implications and possibly negative societal consequences of having free, uncontrolled information via the internet fall under?

I've been reading about the history of the internet, books on psychology and internet addiction and how people are getting fucked up in the head from too much twitter and 4chinz. It's super fascinating, especially with everyone shitting their pants about "fake news", but i have no direction with how to formally study this shit.

Public Policy? Grad school for philosophy? Law? how do i study tech ethics in school
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Hedda Lighthall - Fri, 05 May 2017 23:07:36 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.208118 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The Ethics of Emerging Technologies is a highly specialized field within philosophy (and often abuts other, often unrelated disciplines) so you would have to go to a school that actually has a program in the matter if you really want to study that. From my perspective, the leader in this field is Nick Bostrom, who runs the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford.
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Doris Donningkick - Fri, 12 May 2017 20:09:08 EST ID:YJnEert2 No.208140 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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This whole site discusses a lot of these subjects. A lot of smart cookies here.

Also link on the study on the future?
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Doris Donningkick - Fri, 12 May 2017 20:09:45 EST ID:YJnEert2 No.208141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208140
Study on the future I meant, not future
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Doris Donningkick - Fri, 12 May 2017 20:10:27 EST ID:YJnEert2 No.208142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208141
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Doris Drumblechid - Fri, 12 May 2017 22:30:49 EST ID:2q4ig4PV No.208143 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Here's a good resource for casual study and this essay seems legit: https://www.academia.edu/2473509/Crucial_Considerations_Essays_on_the_Ethics_of_Emerging_Technologies


Concision by Penis Flappingsack - Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:40:11 EST ID:Sc8Oin8v No.208079 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Following the Anger Masturbation thread's theme of examining how to have better discussions, I'd like to discuss, or at least mention, concision. Often the most thoughtful posts on /pss/ are also some of the longest. I suspect that less people read them because of their length, and I imagine that this issue is worse yet when people are trying to read through a full back-and-forth in a thread. For the vast majority of you who concern yourselves with effective communication, I remind you to edit your posts down for concision when able.
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Albert Blytheshaw - Wed, 03 May 2017 16:02:10 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.208098 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208094
Ok, I recognize that going through a language barrier is going to be difficult for you. But did you consider that maybe what you think says nothing at all actually communicates a lot, because of nuances of English that you may not be familiar with?

I know that with the foreign languages I'm familiar with, when I'm looking at a block of text and I can pick out words and general structure and get a gist of what is being talked about, I know I'm missing a tremendous amount of meaning simply because I don't have a native level understanding of the text. I don't go on from that to assume that my simplified understanding of it is actually all it's saying.

In short, you're making an assumption about the motives of people when they expand their ideas into longer form. You assume it is pointless, but maybe there is a point and it is just inaccessible from your way of analyzing their language?
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Phyllis Blibberbanks - Thu, 04 May 2017 15:09:01 EST ID:c8ZteX1C No.208108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208094
That is unfair but until I learn a new language I won't yet understand all the universals you may as readily let's say
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Doris Drollergold - Tue, 09 May 2017 21:09:21 EST ID:7F/kYpEe No.208130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208094
"Our conversation always gets dragged down to the lowest common denominator."

That's called progress, and is why it's so hard to make. That's why smaller specialized units are formed and limit access of outsiders, so they can actually get shit done. Yet problems arise due to stagnation and inaccuracy when they cut themselves off too much.
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Martha Forringhood - Thu, 11 May 2017 10:09:46 EST ID:qmIpAjjo No.208132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
schools (in the us and canada at least) unintentionally train kids to inflate their wordcount so they can get essays done easier. Often times the only grading metric is proper grammar/spelling, and word/letter count. I bet that's part of why you get posts like this.
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John Snodshaw - Thu, 11 May 2017 23:59:42 EST ID:8ZoPLUhY No.208136 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208132
That's a good point. Rhetoric training should focus more on sentence structure and critical thinking. Grammar should be subject to clarity of ideas expressed.


If Muslims were White by Charles Hoffingshaw - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 09:40:56 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207974 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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100% serious question, this is about how society responds to race.

How would the conversation about Muslims change if they weren't mostly brown, but instead mostly white?
Like, what if the 9/11 guys were white, and all these people fighting in the ME were white, all the people bombing India and Malaysia were white, all the people who were banned by Trump were white? What if the people wearing Burqas that were being banned were all white?
How would people react? What would they say?
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Doris Channerkut - Tue, 02 May 2017 05:22:12 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.208083 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208080
Fuck off back to circlejerk you fucking stormfront immigrant. Fuck off, your kind is not wanted here.
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Lillian Susslestone - Wed, 03 May 2017 12:01:14 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.208095 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208083
Reported.
Your kind is not wanted here.
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Graham Crarryworth - Wed, 03 May 2017 12:10:09 EST ID:BlTpIi6J No.208096 Report Quick Reply
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>>207974
I'd say suck my MOAB, bitches!
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Syn !ryBONGJej. - Wed, 03 May 2017 12:11:28 EST ID:BlTpIi6J No.208097 Report Quick Reply
>>208095
>>208083
Both of you stop fighting.
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Jenny Dungerspear - Mon, 08 May 2017 08:32:51 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.208126 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>208097
So kind of you, Syn, to tell both of us to stop fighting when this jagoff just came up to me austistically screeching while I was actively discussion philosophy.
Just lump me, the one philosophizing, in with the "GO BACK TO 4SKIN" thread derailers.


Game of Thrones by Walter Shakewill - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:02:01 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207967 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Let's talk about a subject everyone can understand; Game of Thrones.
Who your favorite GoT characters are, in my opinion, says a lot about who you are as a person.

Of course, my favorite character by far is Cersei Lannister. She truly deserves the Iron Throne. I originally loved Robert Baratheon, Ed Stark and Drogo, but they all died on me very quickly. Now, after all 6 seasons, I have to say that Cersei is truly an amazing character. I also loved Ramsay Bolton very much, as he was the sort of Hannibal Lecter of Westeros. His antics often ended with me proclaiming aloud, 'Oh Ramsay.'
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Walter Shakewill - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:05:26 EST ID:54PBc7Id No.207968 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To tackle this subject from a philosophical point of view, I guess it's just impressive to see how much willpower Cersei has. Cersei is definitely a fearless hedonist with more emotional strength than any of the other characters. She never makes half-hearted moves, and she never tells the truth. Truly, she is a warrior woman like Robert Barathion, only Robert was a warrior on the battlefield while Cersei is a warrior at politics, a titan behind closed-doors.
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Walter Donningforth - Mon, 10 Apr 2017 18:38:31 EST ID:KvXjjDsO No.208006 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My favorite philosophical meaning is between Ned stark and vaerys before ned stark's eventual beheading. Where vaerys tries to explain his understanding of this as preternaturally related to his time in a theatrical troupe. And how he understands power and the realm the same way.
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Ian Blythestock - Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:42:27 EST ID:Z08uqMmD No.208011 Ignore Report Quick Reply
My favorite character is Tyrion. I guess I find him relateable since I'm more of a behind the scenes type of leader, but he's pragmatic, a tactician, and takes the lead when he has to make difficult decisions for what he believes is the correct reasons.

Cersei is definitely a boss and a half and I have alot of respect for her "no half-measures" approach.

I liked Jon Snow alot in the books, but I feel like he's not been done justice in the show. He's a warrior baptized in fire, never groomed for leadership but assumed it because he was needed, rejecting tradition in favor of survival.

I guess that's what truly connects all of them for me, they were unassuming, thrust into great trials that challenged their lives, and rose above the adversity more powerful and defiant in the face of death.

They are all true survivors.

Danaerys is too emotional for me with her decision making. Which contradicts me support of Jon Snow since he ruined his well entrenched position vs the Bolton's to save his brother, but it's his brother ya know? I mean, I can let that slide. It'd be hard to watch a little sibling be massacred in front of you and doing nothing about it.


Meditation by Phoebe Goodforth - Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:45:31 EST ID:/XQxUE3u No.204775 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Hey guys I'm just starting to learn how to meditate. So far I can go up to 3 minutes and after that I can't focus any longer. But, I'd say I'm starting off good.

How many of you here meditate on a daily basis? In what way does it help you? What is your favorite type of meditation?

I'm learning sleep meditation and zen. I want to broaden my horizons and love myself again. With this meditation I hope to achieve a higher level of being and be able to like myself and have a positive outlook on life.
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Cornelius Fugglewill - Sun, 26 Mar 2017 16:00:40 EST ID:pQdbKKB2 No.207946 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Have any of you ever been to a Buddhist temple to learn the true art of meditation and Buddhism? I've been thinking about going and staying there for as long as I possibly can and learn a lot of philosophical teachings. For those who have done it, what's your experience?
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Matilda Brasslemotch - Sun, 26 Mar 2017 19:09:09 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.207947 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207946
Well, it depends on what you mean by "Buddhist temple." If you mean any of the number of Buddhist centers throughout the world that exist specifically for outreach and to act as community centers, these are probably great places for you to go and learn, although in a lot of cases you cannot stay there.

If you're thinking of going to the Himalayas to bug native monks to unscramble your western psyche with months of vigorous mental discipline,Karate Kid style...either be prepared to be seen right through, or pay through the nose for someone to ignore how they see right through.
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William Grandcocke - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 00:42:01 EST ID:TZEgBuHq No.207948 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207946

I haven't done it myself, but I would say that you should meditate and try to find a place locally and talk to them and learn with them and practice with them if you're interested in such things. I think reading the sutras has value too but that might not do much for you if you aren't approaching it from within the tradition. This is assuming you haven't done this already. If you have, then you should know someone who you can talk to about these things who would be more equipped to talk about these things.
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Cyril Lightdock - Mon, 10 Apr 2017 02:11:10 EST ID:A8KcvEdU No.208002 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Not Buddhism but I visited the local mosque for the second time ever. Theres something about praying to Allah, with a group of other gentlemen, that set it apart from meditating alone
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Jack Trotfield - Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:51:11 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.208005 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Anger masturbation by Ebenezer Hendlekig - Sun, 19 Mar 2017 00:56:11 EST ID:9xHHmrI5 No.207907 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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It seems like most people these days aren't looking to engage in what is classically considered a "discussion" or even a "debate". People have become so entrenched ideologically that it makes discussion and exchange of ideas all but impossible.

I don't think it's nostalgic to say that the rhetoric of this period is more polarized than it was a 5 years or even a decade ago at least in the context of American politics. When people have a difference of opinion there is no discussion there is only the reinforcement of preconceived notions and the stroking of the anger boner. People have come to enjoy the righteous anger they feel when their lighting up someone who has the "wrong" political opinion.

This sort of thing happened in the past but it was mint everyone doing it to each other all the time. Everything has devolved to the point where it's a nonstop rage masturbation fest on both sides. No one wants to learn, no one wants to admit that they might be wrong, no one wants to actually solve any problems. They just want to be right and someone else be wrong, we've all become addicted to the feeling of being righteously angry at the people we believe are "wrong".
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Alice Duckdock - Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:08:55 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.207980 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207975
>>So that makes him alt-right?
I'll say it again more clearly so you can understand: I am not making a claim about Peterson's subscription to alt-right beliefs. I am making the claim that alt-right adherents subscribe to Peterson's views because they are ideologically sympathetic. Do you get now how those are two different things? He no like alt-right, alt-right like him. Like how not all web feet are duck, but all duck are web feet. Got it?

>>explain how it is a mis-framing
Debates about whether or not certain kinds of speech ought to have legal ramifications are frequently drowned out by cries of censorship, which is basically Peterson's tactic, he's just more long-winded about it. They all rest on this idea that one should be allowed to say anything, even if saying that thing has disastrous consequences, because the converse, to compel someone to say or not say something, is a more disastrous consequence ethically.

For one this conflates the concepts of belief and speech. We already regulate and compel behavior, and speech is just one kind of behavior, and can influence behavior much more strongly than mere actions can. For the same reason there are certain places and times it is both inappropriate and illegal to shout 'fire!' because that 'speech' directly results in a behavior that harms other people in a legally answerable way, so too are there many other kinds of speech that have direct consequences which someone ought to be legally liable for.

The thought is not being censored or controlled, the idea is not being suppressed from being communicated, it's being suppressed in context where it generates a behavior that ultimately leads to a criminal or civil violation. This is kind of a common sense fact about every day life, that you can't just go around saying whatever and expect there to be no consequences from it, but it's so subtle and nuanced that academics like Peterson or people in general with an agenda against PC attitudes can just stomp all over the nuance by just harping about free speech. It's a bit of a childish tactic because Peterson is well-read enough to know that the debate is more complex than th…
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Basil Clemmleshaw - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 15:24:05 EST ID:jYcEvk8u No.207988 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207980

Okay, well that's essentially a pointless thing to say, and it doesn't answer the question you were responding to. It didn't explain what he does, nor did it explain the majority of his supporters who have nothing to do with the alt-right at all, as much as some may want to plug their ears and go "la la la" and pretend that only people they can label as bigots support him. I'm sure Bernie Sanders got some support from Communists and the like, should we go after him for that or is that something only a dipshit on Fox News would do? You can probably find shitty people of one form or another who will attach themselves to just about anything. It means nothing.

>They all rest on this idea that one should be allowed to say anything, even if saying that thing has disastrous consequences, because the converse, to compel someone to say or not say something, is a more disastrous consequence ethically.

Anything? No, I've never seen any evidence that he has any issue with the already existing limitations, such as incitements to violence or genocide or saying something in a theater that will cause a stampede. Most people who support free speech generally feel the same way I imagine. The important thing is that if you ARE going to infringe on free speech, it should be for an extremely good reason, and certainly not for the sake of enforcing some sort of political agenda.

>For one this conflates the concepts of belief and speech. We already regulate and compel behavior, and speech is just one kind of behavior

It isn't just one kind of behavior at all. Freedom of speech is the cornerstone of western civilization and liberal democracy. Without it everything else collapses, because we use our freedom of speech to talk things through and search for truth and the best course of action. If you're no longer allowed to hash something out because the state has said something is verbotton, you're fucked. And the state itself won't even be operating as well as it could because it isn't taking into consideration any disagreements or issues that may exist surrounding the fundamental presuppositions that they've decided to restrict speech about (such as the faulty assumptions built into Bill C-16).

>For the same reason there are certain places and times it is both inappropriate and illegal to shout 'fire!' because that 'speech' directly results in a behavior that harms other people in a legally answerable way, so too are there many other kinds of speech that have direct consequences which someone ought to be legally liable for.

>it's being suppressed in context where it generates a behavior that ultimately leads to a criminal or civil violation.
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Henry Hannerhall - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 16:03:40 EST ID:Ya59RsKY No.207991 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207988
>>it doesn't answer the question you were responding to
I was answering a question about 'the motivations of him and his ilk.' I offered my opinion on the latter and directly stated I have no knowledge of the former, but you just then decided to tear into me about what HE believed. Did you maybe just realize you thought you were arguing about something that no one was actually arguing with you about? I also never made the case that everyone who supports his ideas was alt-right, I just mentioned them as a large group of his followers, but apparently you took my mere mentioning of them (when their endorsement of him, FOR WHAT LITTLE IT MATTERS, is a recorded fact) as a call to crusade.

To make this even clearer for you, I'm not saying it's good or bad that he has any connection to the alt-right, whatsoever. That's just fine, and my opinion on him does not rest on who else agrees with him or supports him -- those were just surrounding facts about his case. I disagree with his thinking based on it's own merits, irrespective of what other people think about his thinking.

>>never seen any evidence that he has any issue with the already existing limitations, such as incitements to violence or genocide
>>If you're no longer allowed to hash something out because the state has said something is verbotton, you're fucked
What if the political agenda you want to hash out is an incitement to genocide? We've already reached the contradiction point of this argument right there.
If it's true that there are consequences for the things you say, and some of those things lead to violence or genocide, and those things are illegal, then the state has already said hashing out certain things is verboten. So are we fucked? No.

>> he takes issue with Bill C-16. But you don't even begin to broach that subject
I wasn't even trying to get into that with you, but since you insist, Peterson's objection to C-16 is either an accidental or deliberate misunderstanding of the law. He claims that not using people's preferred pronouns would make him a hate criminal, but that's nowhere within the C-16 law, and legal experts who have been asked about it have explicitly stated that he is mis-characterizing both the intent and the actual policy established by the law.
Most of his complaints stem from the fact that he is an employee of the government, dispensing government-funded education. In that sense his speech is very much not free -- it must be within the guidelines established for him as an employee by his employer. So much of his argument is chafing against that, and would not apply to a non-government employee or non-educator.
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Martin Brissleman - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:16:59 EST ID:CMVbW7K1 No.207995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207976
hey, here's a tip: http://www.stephenhicks.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/hicks-ep-full.pdf As I said, it's where Peterson gets all his ideas about postmodernism from. It's also a work of propaganda in my eyes.

Marx was a very important figure for almost all of philosophy to follow, as important as Kant, Nietzsche, Freud who were also important to postmodernists. However Marxism is a Modernist ideology, postmodernism is a departure from modernism and thus also from marxism. Again, you would know this if you had the faintest clue about what youre talking about.

There are two main components of an ideology:
>Goals: how society should work
>Methods: the most appropriate ways to achieve the ideal arrangement
Postmodernists prescribe neither. Described in the article as an 'ideological mood' it is cynical and skeptical towards any kind of total theory of society, it is fragmented, decentered and by no means coherent enough to constitute an ideology.

> If you don't see the connections you simply aren't looking hard enough.
This is a game you are playing, you are trying to construct a picture of postmodernism. Now matter how hard you or Peterson or any other reactionary zealot tries you will not convince me of your picture. And I can do the same right back at you
>If you dont see the connections between Peterson (biological essentialism, traditionalism, phobic attitude to socialism, reactionary ideals) and FASCISM well then you just arent looking hard enough.

easy, isnt it?
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Martha Sombledid - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 16:06:51 EST ID:d4DXKOh3 No.207999 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207995
>Marx was a very important figure for almost all of philosophy to follow, as important as Kant, Nietzsche, Freud who were also important to postmodernists. However Marxism is a Modernist ideology, postmodernism is a departure from modernism and thus also from marxism.

This. You'd think those retarded alt-right the future immigrant faggots would understand the basic fact that post-modern philosophy by nature is philosophically opposed to any and all modernist schools of thinking.


Zoroastrianism by Hannah Haddlestone - Sun, 15 Jan 2017 03:26:24 EST ID:Vz5f1vq5 No.207599 Ignore Report Reply Quick Reply
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Yo /pss/,

What do you recommend I read if I want to know more about Zoroastrianism? Specifically orthodox but I'm open to any good material on the subject. My limitedresearch so far keeps telling me that the original holy texts are all written in a language that doesn't really translate well, so unlike other religions I can't just go and read their holy book because I've had trouble understanding which texts are the equivalent of canon. I want to get a deeper understanding than just what's in the wikipedia article, Help a dude out?
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Ghengis Dong - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 10:53:26 EST ID:taL6BOqF No.207949 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>207922
>would you mind giving us a brief history of that outline?
I can try, but be warned, I'm no historian.

As far as I can tell, there isn't an authoritative dating for their first appearances, but historians in antiquity usually attributed the first written gathas to around 1000BC to the prophet Zartosht (Zoroaster).

According the the scriptures, Zoroaster presented his writings to his patron Vishtaspa around 1000BC, the teachings were put in to practice there and the writings preserved until the conquest of Alexander the Great when the religion was suppressed and its texts looted/burned. However portions of the texts appear in Greek-made translations at this time (around 4-3rd Century BC) and there was a great diffusion of these writings throughout the Hellenic world.

After this period, there was a revivalist movement beginning under King Valaxš of Arsacid Persia, and the old-Avesta, as historians call it, was completed under Shapur II during the Sasanian Empire, around the 4th century.

Zoroastrianism was the state-religion of the Sasanian Empire so this is where the teachings acquired their orthodoxy. The accounts of the scholars of this period on the origins of the texts are unreliable and based on legend. The only dating of the gathas is done by linguistic analysis, so it's extremely unclear. According to the article I posted: "Until the advent of the Sasanians, and even under their regime, Iran was a country in which written documents were conspicuously rare... It is clear that the writers of the Pahlavi books shared our ignorance of the prehistory of the Avesta. However, we can concede that it does preserve the memory (though in legendary form) of a real break in the religious tradition, or of its splitting into sects, as a result of the absence of a unifying political power after the Greek conquest"

After the Sasanian empire until the rise of Islam not a lot is known:

"Of the history of the Avestan texts from the collapse of the Sasanian empire and the oldest manuscripts in our possession little is known. We know that the Muslim conquest and the dispersal of the Mazdean communities caused a weakening of the religious tradition and a decline of the liturgical elocution, which caused damage to the written transmission of the Avesta. Also, examination of the manuscripts reveals mistakes which prove that all of them derive from a single common ancestor, which K. Hoffmann (Aufsätze II, p. 515) calls the “base manuscript” and places in the ninth to tenth century A.D."
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Simon Dreddletirk - Tue, 28 Mar 2017 05:26:09 EST ID:GoJD6tHg No.207950 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207949
Please do. Did you get all that info from the site you linked?
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Ghengis Dong - Wed, 29 Mar 2017 00:20:08 EST ID:mQSzo9rp No.207952 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Did you get all that info from the site you linked?

Yup. But when I read over my post, I notice a couple necessary revisions and poorly worded parts which irk the shit out of me:

"Old Avesta" is not a historical term, but commonly refers to the original Gathas.

Our oldest manuscripts that reference them come from Hellenic Era scholars.

During the Arsacid, Seleucid ,and Parthian Empires (reign varied throughout the region, but roughly 3rd century BC to 3rd century AD), long periods of foreign rule and strife led to movements which attempted to reclaim/revive the heritage of the Achaemenid Empire (pre-Hellenic Persia) and its holy texts (the gathas).

The Sasanian Empire rising in the 3rd century AD would enforce a strict codified form of the religion which venerated these texts, the gathas, still preserved in archaic old -Persian from centuries prior (sometimes referred to itself as the old-Avesta).

In addition they would compile the bulk of the "Yasna", hymns and rituals deemed canon, which includes practices developed in the later Parthian period (hence why it differs linguistically and has been informally referred to as the "young-avesta")
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Ghengis Dong - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 14:46:48 EST ID:taL6BOqF No.207969 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Kay I'll begin with an examination of the original gathas:

In these verses Zoroaster gives devotion to Ahura-Mazda. The supreme being. http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/ahura-mazda

"Some of the words spoken of Ahura Mazdā (aka: Ohrmuzd) in the Avesta have echoes in Vedic celebrations of Mitra and Varuṇa. In one evidently archaic verse (Y. 41.3) his worshippers say to him, “We establish Thee as the god possessing good supernatural power (maya-), zealous, accompanied by aša,” while in the Gāthās Zoroaster hails him as “all-seeing” (Y. 45.4) and “seeing afar” (Y. 33.13), the one “whom none deceives” (Y. 43.6). The prophet also speaks of him as “clad in hardest stone” i.e. the sky (Y. 30.5), although he also uses terms which suggest an anthropomorphic concept, in keeping with general Indo-Iranian religious tradition, e.g. “the tongue of Thy mouth” (Y. 31.3, cf. Y. 28.11), “the hand with which Thou holdest. . .” (Y. 43.4). Zoroaster gave a wholly new dimension to his worship, however, by hailing him as the one uncreated God (Y. 30.3, 45.2), wholly wise, benevolent and good, Creator as well as upholder of aša

aša is Truth and is the highest virtue. It is counterposed by "drug" (sometimes "druj") the Lie. All evil stems from deception. Just as Mazda is the uncreated manifestation of truth and virtue he has an uncreated counterpart or 'twin' in the form of Angra Mainyu (aka: Ahriman).

"This is the Hostile Spirit, Angra Mainyu. Zoroastrian tradition (e.g., Bundahišn 1.3) states plainly what is adumbrated in the Gāthās, that Ahura Mazdā became the Creator (Av. Dadvah, Dātār, Pahl. Dādār)—this being his constant appellation—to destroy Angra Mainyu, and so to achieve a universe that was wholly good. In one Gathic verse he is said to have achieved creation by his “thought” (Y. 31.11), but elsewhere his instrument is said to have been his Holy or Bounteous Spirit, Spənta Mainyu"

The first of Ahura Mazdā’s creative acts was to emanate the six great Beings known from the tradition as the Aməša Spəntas ("ahuras" or Spirits in the original gathas). These along with Spənta Mainyu make 7 divine entities but it's not strictly speaking polytheistic

"The relationship of Ahura Mazdā to the six Aməša Spəntas is again a subtle one, and its closeness is expressed metaphorically by the prophet when he calls Ahura Mazdā the father of Aša and of Vohu Manah... but it is conveyed even more vividly by his addressing Ahura Mazdā now [sic] as “Thou,” now (when he conceives of him together with one or more of the Aməša Spəntas)
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Ghengis Dong - Mon, 03 Apr 2017 17:04:31 EST ID:taL6BOqF No.207971 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>207969
sorry for so many problems with the characters/accents. When the thread is expanded it reads as normal.

nb


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