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transphobia

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- Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:48:12 EST D27gVweR No.208297
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Why is there so much more visceral hatred of trans people than gay or bi people? I've noticed this for a while but comment sections of recent news articles really brought it to light. I keep seeing over and over again people saying stuff like "I don't mind gays but trans people are mentally ill blahblah SJWs something something free speech" and people making a million "logical" excuses as to why trans people shouldn't have certain rights that don't really make sense and do nothing to really hide their irrational contempt but why is that really? Is it just because trans people are more noticeable? Less physically appealing generally to most people? "Icky"? I feel like anti-SJW crusaders have made this the hill they want to die on and it doesn't make a lot of sense considering the amount of trans people in their own community is vastly higher than average.

Also while I don't think it matters to save us some posts on this incredibly slow board I'm neither trans nor gay and I don't really get on the liberal outrage train very often I'm just a mostly neutral, vaguely left-leaning party.
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Basil Pickfield - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 00:24:54 EST JyDTI0YA No.209858 Reply
COINTELPRO. Trans- and homo- phobia creates divisions within the LGBT community itself, preventing them from unifying as a bloc and marching for political change. Prior to the early 2000s the state targeted homosexuals because they were the bigger slice of the pie. You still see the results today with all the 'alt-right' gays on the future who think being straight-acting and sneering at pride parades will save them from the noose. As is such for trans communities as well with the 'truscum'. The shift from homophobia to transphobia is simply a result of the right's failure to turn back or preempt gay political gains. When the battle was lost on one end, they shifted to the other end.

The religious right loves it because it funds conversion camps and churches that offer pray the gay away services. The libertarian right loves it because it gives them freedom to hate and encourage the rollback of state policies that advantage minorities (whilst keeping the state policies that advantage them intact - freedom for me but not for thee). The fascistic right loves it because they gain loyal followers who they can turn on when the time is right.
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Clara Diblingchitch - Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:53:06 EST kW/lNQ5e No.209865 Reply
>>209850
>Prejudice towards AMAB sexual and romantic minorities is 100% a result of patriarchy and I think a lot of the visceral disgust is from the fact that trans women/trans femme NB people/effeminate homosexuals/etc. are seen as engaging in a sort of sexual self-degradation which is seen as deviant by a lot of people.

Also see: alt-righters using stallion as a slur. As if no one on the planet could possibly enjoy stallionholding as a consensual sexual practice. They just can't imagine that something so humiliating for them wouldn't be an issue for someone else. It's a failure in empathy: when they meet another human being too different from them, they think they're lying about themselves. It's like using Belieber as a slur.

But I don't believe only males can fail at empathy and be subjected to this phenomenon. If there was a matriarchy, maybe they'd outlaw something like manspreading, because they can't imagine a human being so radically different from them having different needs, and so they would end up not believing them, and think they're lying about themselves to annoy them or something. A draconian matriarchal society would take centuries to consider the existence of the prostate, just like our patriarchy largely ignored female sexuality for centuries.

It's the same mistake over and over, if you're too different from me you don't exist, and you're trying to fool me. It's not an issue of toxic masculinity, it's an issue of bad faith. And this generation seems to be riddled with it.

Near-term Extinction

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- Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:01:29 EST ywHNbnM1 No.209806
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*Global warming
*Nuclear war
*Collapse of the ecosystem
*Dependence on finite resources
*Designer pathogens
*Resource wars
*Political polarization leading to massive civil unrest
*AI

The Great Filter cometh.

We're not going to be able to think our way out of the hole we've dug for ourselves. Humanity is facing near-term extinction and there's nothing we can do about it.
So how are you dealing with this (asuming you believe it)? Personally I take the George Carlin stance, I no longer have any investment into humanity. I have totally disconnected myself from this world and am totally indifferent to the fate of mankind. I had hopes and dreams for our species, but they were all a pipe dream.
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Emma Pisslekud - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 08:47:07 EST SRkzta0t No.209821 Reply
>>209816
Any time you're trying to convince people of something that isn't evident, your motives are in question. Why do you want people to believe this? I think it's control. In the absence of any explanation to the contrary and the cartoonishly loud protest you seem to be giving in response to the accusation, I'm pretty confident in my position.
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Wesley Sundlechore - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 14:50:21 EST te/QDo9y No.209822 Reply
>>209821
What? I don't think you're understanding. You're going to have to elaborate about why.
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Polly Gorringpock - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 13:51:12 EST p+7ufF1/ No.209864 Reply
>>209816
I'm not sure he's right about your motives but if people aren't invested in the future of mankind and other people then there's no point in fixing or changing anything. It's all fucked tomorrow so might as well continue short termism. Just happens to suit the old men in charge, and when their middle aged descendents are old and in charge it will suit them. They will always be fine most of them are already prepping for this scenario and will be fine. They can ride it out and then live a short while despite the collapse of the world. If we change that order they might loose everything.

You are advocating complacency.

I try to find a compromise. You're probably right but to live is to struggle.

Having children because they'll take care of you when youre old

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- Sun, 01 Dec 2019 18:13:19 EST +n0riTme No.209855
File: 1575241999378.jpg -(34806B / 33.99KB, 630x420) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Having children because they'll take care of you when youre old
Whoever brought kids because they think they’ll get taken care of when they’re old can go fuck themselves.

Anyone whose retirement plan is for their children to become full time CNA's is going to be fucked when their children say no.
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Edward Bittingwurk - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 23:22:21 EST AwFARtk4 No.209860 Reply
>>209855
OP it sounds like your perspective stems from a personal connection to the issue, maybe not your own parents or family members, but someone you are close to.

most people dont PLAN for that to be the case it just ends up being a convenient way for younger people without any solid direction in life to make money doing something they would be doing even without pay
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Cornelius Trotdale - Thu, 05 Dec 2019 05:08:58 EST F2yFh27a No.209863 Reply
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>>209856
what a asshole bitch.

"hey mom, I know you can't consent because you are senile,
but let me post your face all over the internet and tell strangers you play with your own poop!"

>>209855
I remember vividly how the parents of my ex-gf tried to peer-pressure her and me into having kids. They used the same argument of course.
Right at the start of our relationship. wtf.

Schools turned into psychic-wards

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- Fri, 28 Jul 2017 05:24:38 EST wN9L5jv0 No.208300
File: 1501233878679.jpg -(20439B / 19.96KB, 590x350) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Schools turned into psychic-wards
What the fuck is wrong with children at schools nowadays?!

It turned really to the worse!

Learned it the hard way during an internship:

Children don't learn any essential behavioral patterns anymore. 90% are getting their educational input by some arsehole youtuber and the parents just don't care.

So the teacher has too often the role of educating these hellspawns in basic social-skills!

Too often I hear stupid parents say shit like "we were bad in school too! We did also pull pranks and were disrespectfull" (best if done in hearing-range of their hellspawn!)

but I dare you to visit a regular school or Campus these days: There is a difference between smoking in secret at the restrooms or attacking teachers with scissors (and beeing a disrespectful cunt in general)
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Caroline Grimman - Sun, 01 Dec 2019 18:04:34 EST +n0riTme No.209854 Reply
>>208613
wtf.
I can only imagine how what nightmare these lessons must be.

people with "magic thinking"

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- Mon, 02 Sep 2019 11:20:45 EST U+CRTLPX No.209767
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Ages ago I heard about a study or book about a large part of the population who have a somewhat "magical" way of thinking and how those are the people most likely to support dogmas and refuse to educate themselves on things. Anybody can help me out with that?
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Cedric Saddlenot - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 13:17:15 EST p+7ufF1/ No.209842 Reply
>>209834
Yes. This.

I think superstition isn't the whole story though. I guess I always thought of magical thinking as people don't understand things, they just do. If these things happen this does. No understanding of the mechanisms behind it. Everything is basically magic, like a wizard casting a spell. You fill out that spreadsheet by putting the exact numbers you're told to in and it pulls out results, you think of facebook as a place rather than a front end that drags up sorted data, you take medicine without knowing the difference between symptomatic relief and attacking bacteria and so on. I think that's magical thinking too. If you think like that then you will be dogmatic and superstitious and if you are happy to think like that you're probably magical. To some degree everyone simplifies things but if plenty of people refuse to understand anything on even a broad allegorical level.

>>209840
I approve and smirked like the smug butthole that I am.
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Caroline Hushhet - Fri, 29 Nov 2019 07:55:11 EST zKKlrNHg No.209852 Reply
>>209842
Yes, thank you very much. That pretty much sums up what I meant. Now where do I get more information about that?
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Edwin Greenstone - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 03:25:20 EST hcOExBer No.209853 Reply
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Comparable to people thinking that Planet X or Nibiru was going to collide with Earth in 2012. A la Terrence Moonseed of Rap News. Tho that's just a certain sector of the population... Believing conspiracy theories fits this thinking, but subscribing a different explanation besides magic or god(s), a conspiratorial alibi and projection to define something which is far too complex for simple explanations like an elite cabal of people ruling the world or a secret society of lizard people infiltrating humanity. Though tinfoil thought does have valid underpinnings of wanting to understand societal developments and meaning.

( Rap News 30 - NWO https://youtu.be/W4nSjPdT788 )

Beyond tinfoil there is the symbolic representation of magical and religious thinking about objects or rituals or events and the question of how important it is to signify what's occurred (or what will or should occur) and memorializing it. I wonder about the importance of faith in believing something will occur -- and by extension the power of the mind(?), on having an effect physically and/or psychologically to aid recovery from an illness.

This reminds me of the metal music by YOB and their most recent album Our Raw Heart which is a story of one member overcoming "extremely painful and potentially fatal intestinal disease", and in the song Screen: the lyrics screaming rhythmically:

"Ancient poison
Out
Out
Out"

Often there is a call for more focus on coming of age rituals to signify the progression from youth into adulthood.

Anyways, more info about what y'all are talking about would be cool and I will keep my ears open.

Am I racist?

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- Sun, 27 Oct 2019 02:43:08 EST cze3kJZ7 No.209815
File: 1572158588896.jpg -(252850B / 246.92KB, 1400x787) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Am I racist?
>I do not go out at night because i am afraid of being murdered by black guys.
>I do not go out at the day time because i am afraid of being murdered by white guys
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Shitting Bindlestock - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 05:50:26 EST cUbk/tCb No.209846 Reply
>>209815

Racism is anything based on race, so yes, you are racist because your fears are based on race. Go outside and make some objective observations op. Nb
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Jack Suttingdock - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:30:44 EST te/QDo9y No.209847 Reply
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>>209846
Thinking about stuff centered around different ethincities is racial. Being discriminatory and derogatory of someone because of their ethincity is racist. Just those racial and racism terms are off to begin with because we're all homo sapiens. It'd be different if like cromagnums were still around.
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Barnaby Nadgedin - Mon, 25 Nov 2019 09:07:25 EST 9ECWW3rb No.209849 Reply
>>209847
Having this extended discussion about terms is what they do. Don't engage in this discussion with them. If someone is making comments against another person for these reasons, reasons outside of their control or ability to change or influence, then just disregard that person. Don't worry about what's racial or racist or whatever.

You ever feel like society is the problem?

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- Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:04:23 EST pdpqZQMH No.209470
File: 1538089463189.jpg -(282780B / 276.15KB, 2000x1125) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. You ever feel like society is the problem?
not some aspect of it, but civilization itself? Has anything since prior to the advent of agriculture had a net positive effect on society? agriculture lead to division of labor, class, and status. People were happier when they were still nomadic.

I know we can't go back, because we are addicted now, but can we at least admit civilization was a mistake?
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Henry Blondlelot - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:39:08 EST SRkzta0t No.209826 Reply
>>209824
Yes, absolutely. It's either nature or nurture. There's no such thing as complexity or depth.
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Charles Perringfoot - Tue, 12 Nov 2019 00:49:35 EST FX34H2LL No.209832 Reply
>>209826
This isn't a Nature/Nature thing, mah dude.

This thread, is about "society," see OP, more specifically it's about the nature of civilization and how people interact with it. Implicitly it's a political question of how you set of a society/civilization. What I'm talking about with "Human Nature" is an inherently political notion of how groups of individuals act in relation to each other in a civilization.

Nature v Nuture, is not that, it's a genes/environment notion. Which is more apt for a thread related specifically to that dichotomy. I mean, no offense, but either have an argument or not man, up to you. Also, and this is a minor thing, something can be "simple" to conceptualize, but be "complex" in operation/any subsequent analysis. So don't fall into that silliness.

nb
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Graham Gezzlepark - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:21:30 EST hcOExBer No.209844 Reply
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>>209832
Different societies interact differently depending on the structure of the society and the ways of life -- however promoted and encouraged, by how people organize themselves (relate to each other) and how decisions are made. So there isn't one answer to the question of "how civilization functions and why" because there's a plurality of means practiced by humanity.

<<< Please cast your eyes to Exhibit A, a diagram of Kowloon Walled City in Hong Kong. It was bull dozed by the government in 1993.

12:10

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- Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:04:22 EST XAhNojmD No.209841
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0 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

Meditation

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- Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:45:31 EST /XQxUE3u No.204775
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Hey guys I'm just starting to learn how to meditate. So far I can go up to 3 minutes and after that I can't focus any longer. But, I'd say I'm starting off good.

How many of you here meditate on a daily basis? In what way does it help you? What is your favorite type of meditation?

I'm learning sleep meditation and zen. I want to broaden my horizons and love myself again. With this meditation I hope to achieve a higher level of being and be able to like myself and have a positive outlook on life.
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Simon Fuffinghall - Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:39:19 EST HeAoXRT7 No.209758 Reply
Meditating for 2 days. I feel more grounded and I don't let things get to me like I use to let it. My minds getting clear and clearer.

Been able to visualize already and it's of my physique and also at a park that I love to go. Some.girl in a bikini was walking towards me when I visualized being at the park. Crazy stuff.

The more I do the better the benefits.
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Phineas Bashstock - Sat, 26 Oct 2019 12:01:40 EST bTkVZ0na No.209810 Reply
>>209758
It doesn't take much to start or keep going. And you get benefits from mediation no matter how long you do it, where you do it, or how you do it.

Personally I like Zen because you can keep your eyes open. There's even moving meditation in Zen where you focus on your movement or that of something else, and I think there's a lot of variety.
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Thomas Blimmleway - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 02:41:14 EST hcOExBer No.209814 Reply
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>>209757


>>209810
Standing meditation too: exercise, breathing, and meditation with your eyes open, atuned to outward senses and inner going-ons. Y'know? Qui-Gong has a bunch of exercises and different levels of intensity reccomended for different times of the day. Routine really is important here, a personal challenge myself.

public (pseudo)intellectuals

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- Sat, 01 Jun 2019 00:07:37 EST I6irGQRy No.209678
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anyone else really fucking hate this guy? also what is it with 3rd rate psychologists suddenly becoming revered as these gurus because they tell basement dwellers basic fucking common sense wrapped up in these political messages that are exactly what they want to hear?
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Nathaniel Brookwell - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 02:46:50 EST vI2KG7aE No.209764 Reply
>>209762
more of a scientism absolutist. I'd take Feyerabend over him anyday, and I'm far from an anarchist.
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Emma Hingerchork - Tue, 22 Oct 2019 03:08:25 EST y/Mvju/Q No.209804 Reply
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>>209712
I realized this after I listening to my 27th or so Jordan Peterson podcast or one of his numerous 'destroys' videos on YouTube, then I went back to Terence McKenna and Alan Watts and found they were saying basically the opposite, but I felt like I agreed with all of them. That's because most of what they're saying is nothing.

All those guys, including Alex Jones and Joe Rogan are just like 80% ASMR and 20% actual information. At least McKenna was a proponent of going your own way. A lot of the 'spoken word' and podcasting world is just white noise to put on in the background while you play video games or wash dishes.
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Angus Saddlefoot - Wed, 23 Oct 2019 00:39:51 EST gL2K3GAz No.209805 Reply
>>209804
I'm just interjecting here- but I have to say that Mr. Peterson for all his hilarity never got to my g-spot as it were. Maybe I'm too inundated with Mr. Hitches so I have that kind of shield. But Peterson often makes statement so banal that it's boring.

Favorite Philosophers?

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- Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:52:39 EST KGYHppHw No.209613
File: 1551469959744.jpg -(288762B / 281.99KB, 1600x1067) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Favorite Philosophers?
Tough question i suppose.

Don't have a favorite myself, but i really like Max Cafard and his expansion of the Situationist's concept of psychological exploration called a Derive, into Surregional Exploration. His other essays skirting many philosophers and critiquing them was a nice introduction to all of these concepts I was ignorant of at the time.

Anyways, what's your favorite philosophy or philosopher?
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Barnaby Blunnershaw - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 21:54:15 EST DK1GZlb6 No.209717 Reply
Camus all the way bitch.
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Archie Gockleford - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 06:43:52 EST 5y5Cpc7D No.209732 Reply
>>209613
Ken Wilbur, among others. He's not a great philosopher, but his concepts gave me somewhere to go from bleak existentialism. I felt like I knew a little more about the shape of the world; it gave me some meaning to work with.
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Barnaby Wiblingfark - Tue, 22 Oct 2019 02:16:35 EST hcOExBer No.209803 Reply
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Considering all the answers here, how does anyone distinguish between these philosophers. Like some metric to meaningfully compare and contrast by?

Infinity

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- Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:14:35 EST 2HazwbDc No.209524
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When you think of infinity do you think of a loop, or do you think of an endless unbounded happening, like pi, for example.
If things are, as they seem, infinite(i suppose thats an assumption) do you think it loops back into itself or stretches on forever.

Pic unrelated, but we should probably start a revolution pretty soon.
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Jack Wepperson - Wed, 01 May 2019 04:02:47 EST agUXn1jU No.209666 Reply
>>209524
An endless unbound happening caught in loop within a loop of itslelf cancelling saod loop but creating a mirrored loop of itself bound by time. ie infinite symbol
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Barnaby Wiblingfark - Tue, 22 Oct 2019 02:09:22 EST hcOExBer No.209802 Reply
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>>209524
Infinity could be thought of as cycles rather than on repeat, mayhaps.

Questions involving time get confusing. I enjoyed the sci-fi rendition in Last Legends of Earth as a way of imagining how time works. And the other iterations.

deep philosophical post

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- Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:08:12 EST qeOwblsq No.209749
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What is our purpose?
Where do we come from?
Where are we going?
What is truth?
What is free will?
Is there life after death?
Are we alone in the universe?
Is there a god watching us or do we watch ourselves?
What's keeping us alive?
The will to create?
The inspiration to build?
To teach your son right from wrong?

Introducing the Honda Ferrari only from Ford.
This has been a fucking car advertisement the entire time.
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Nicholas Surringtotch - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 22:33:03 EST 8gq7GAVV No.209783 Reply
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>What is our purpose?
Quit that shit, you fucking dumb cunt.

Purpose doesn't exist and purpose is idiotic.

The universe IS. That's all. Deal with it.
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Betsy Lightson - Sun, 06 Oct 2019 04:01:02 EST hcOExBer No.209791 Reply
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>>209783
From a social, where/how do i relate to people, society, the world, and the cosmos, there's a symbolic importance.

Stirner on labor

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- Wed, 02 May 2018 09:41:48 EST EQAAY6X6 No.209163
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Stirner knows literally nothing about labor or laborers. His ideas are juvenile. He thinks laborers are more powerful than businessmen/entrepreneurs. He’s wrong. The two are essentially equal in power, because the one cannot exist without the other. People like Stirner grossly under-estimate the intelligence of the entrepreneur and grossly over-estimate the simplicity of the laborer. I been in labor my entire life; seen tons of guys spend even 25 years straight happily laboring for good pay, because they’re simple and conservative and are much more focused on getting paid and going home to their families than becoming some sort of businessman or critical-thinker. These conservative family-oriented laborers are literally our backbone, and they always require leaders to guide them.
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Angus Hazzlewill - Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:31:07 EST nh1fspOE No.209785 Reply
>>209176
Fuck off. I'm a laborer because it's the work I have available to me, with an able body and no tertiary education. But you're a fucking bullshitter if you think of us as some otherized "simple folk". Fucking get the fuck out of here. What the fuck gives you the authority to lord over us anyway, other than an economic and political system built on privilege and injustice? Where a man can build ten houses for richer people yet not afford to buy his own? Where rich kids afford to send their kids off to rich schools to get rich jobs and inherit rich money, while we start from dirt each generation?
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Angus Hazzlewill - Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:39:03 EST nh1fspOE No.209786 Reply
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Wait a second, fuck, I'm drunkenly yelling at ghosts. These posts I'm replying to are all over a year old. What the fuck I come back after ten years and 420chan is.. dead?
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Rebecca Semmerstock - Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:16:24 EST hcOExBer No.209787 Reply
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>>209786
Nah, just some of these academic boards move real slow now. Your posts are interesting though so thanks for 2cents. I wholeheartedly agree from theory and experience. Especially when a new boss is hired from outside and they don't know anything. Or how bosses just stand around and talk to each other while us laborers are working hard and their making way more money then we are even though we're the ones doing all the work. OP was probably just trolling anyways.

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