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>>No, that's what some genderfluid people do.No, that's an oversimplification and a false dichotomy. Genderfluidity is encompassed under the heading of transgenderism.
>>Transgender people usually stick to one gender and want to be treated as one gender, which was my point.People have gotten pretty loosy goosy with the definitions in the past couple of years, but technically, that's a transsexual person, not a transgender person (the former being a subset of the latter.)
>> even invent something completely new using the pieces of the ruin that once was this thing called gender, you haven't transcended itBut, again, this is what transgender people (using the big tent definition) do. Ever heard of two-spirits? Ever heard of third gender? How about ever read any actual transgender theory by transgender authors expanding on the ways gender non-conformity disrupts the general concept of gender roles? You have an extremely narrow perspective on the situation, and are then surprised that the people you are dealing with have a narrow view. No, you actually aren't interacting with the other perspective at all, you just have no idea what they actually think, and are arguing with a strawman constructed of your own limited experience.
More to the point, things that are constructs have real effect. That's why it's important to utilize constructs, even if you'd rather not -- deliberate refusal to even be aware of their consequences is potentially fatal, in a literal sense in this case. It's all well and good to say 'I'm a third gender that transcends all definitions and categorizations!' but at the end of the day, there are two bathroom stalls to choose from, and two sections in the clothing store. The construct does not cease to exist by your recognition of it as a construct, and thus you must continue to interact with it, although hopefully with a deeper understanding.
Just like, again, you can be totally over the concept of your nation's power and authority being absolute, and that won't in any way prevent them from exerting that power over you if you attempt to ignore it.
>>People believing these constructs are real have tangible effects"Guns don't kill people, people kill people!" Man you sure showed me... (I know what I just said was way too subtle, so please, misconstrue it and I will belabor the point for you.)
>>and then blaming the concepts. I'm not blaming concepts, I'm establishing a causal connection. Without the concept, the people wouldn't take the action.
Look man, as your post goes on and on it becomes increasingly clear you're just shadow boxing with yourself. What the hell are you even saying man? If you knew what transgender people were actually like rather than what you imagined based on reading internet propaganda, you would recognize that your 'great insight' that you seem to think smashes the whole concept is actually the very first point within queer gender theory. And its true that most transgender people don't have a strong grasp of the theoretical underpinnings of the concept, but you're trying to pull back the curtain on the wizard, so this is what you get. Consciously or not, the act of being transgender (in any of its varieties) is disruptive to gender as a binary, static construct, and recodifies it in a more abstract way. This is a transitional period itself to a point where the construct will vanish more or less into a very vestigial state. Just because people cannot instantly remove the construct doesn't mean it's not a construct.
Finally, you seem to misunderstand the concept of transcendence. Transcendence does not necessarily imply that you no longer participate in a thing, just that it no longer dominates you. People who do not believe gender is a construct but an absolute external reality are dominated by it. People who participate in the construct only under their own terms still participate in it, but aren't dominated by it.
Getting right down to the hard tack of it, your whole argument seems to be that these imaginary trans you're arguing with have a different definition of transcendence than you. Have you considered, maybe, that definitions are also bullshit human constructs?
I feel like I'm talking in circles because your basic argument is so non-sensical there's no logical …
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