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On Good and Evil

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- Thu, 09 Jan 2020 12:22:07 EST 65NWSo4c No.209912
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Do "evil" people think they are evil, or that they are doing good? Seems to me you'd find more good people calling themselves evil than evil people calling themselves evil. This is assuming good and evil could even be "objective" states in the first place.

Idk, thread about Good and Evil I guess.
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Charles Humblehatch - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:24:09 EST hcOExBer No.209951 Reply
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But isn't there a near-universal line to cross which defaults as bad no matter what? Is it possible for an action to be objectively bad despite an individual's subjectivity?
Edwin Dinnerwat - Wed, 12 Feb 2020 02:39:34 EST cUbk/tCb No.209954 Reply
This is a stupid question and you're wasting your time. Try to find new ways of thinking this one's a dead end.

You ever feel like society is the problem?

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- Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:04:23 EST pdpqZQMH No.209470
File: 1538089463189.jpg -(282780B / 276.15KB, 2000x1125) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. You ever feel like society is the problem?
not some aspect of it, but civilization itself? Has anything since prior to the advent of agriculture had a net positive effect on society? agriculture lead to division of labor, class, and status. People were happier when they were still nomadic.

I know we can't go back, because we are addicted now, but can we at least admit civilization was a mistake?
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Charles Perringfoot - Tue, 12 Nov 2019 00:49:35 EST FX34H2LL No.209832 Reply
This isn't a Nature/Nature thing, mah dude.

This thread, is about "society," see OP, more specifically it's about the nature of civilization and how people interact with it. Implicitly it's a political question of how you set of a society/civilization. What I'm talking about with "Human Nature" is an inherently political notion of how groups of individuals act in relation to each other in a civilization.

Nature v Nuture, is not that, it's a genes/environment notion. Which is more apt for a thread related specifically to that dichotomy. I mean, no offense, but either have an argument or not man, up to you. Also, and this is a minor thing, something can be "simple" to conceptualize, but be "complex" in operation/any subsequent analysis. So don't fall into that silliness.

Graham Gezzlepark - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:21:30 EST hcOExBer No.209844 Reply
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Different societies interact differently depending on the structure of the society and the ways of life -- however promoted and encouraged, by how people organize themselves (relate to each other) and how decisions are made. So there isn't one answer to the question of "how civilization functions and why" because there's a plurality of means practiced by humanity.

<<< Please cast your eyes to Exhibit A, a diagram of Kowloon Walled City in Hong Kong. It was bull dozed by the government in 1993.
Thomas Blackham - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 19:44:26 EST xShoB9+Q No.209950 Reply

What makes you think some particular ape creatures experiencing some particular sentiment at some particular time is, in itself, the measure of the good?

If you have creatures that are pleased by participation in forms that bring greater potency, naturally they will predominate over other creatures whose modes of thought are less fitted with such.

public (pseudo)intellectuals

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- Sat, 01 Jun 2019 00:07:37 EST I6irGQRy No.209678
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anyone else really fucking hate this guy? also what is it with 3rd rate psychologists suddenly becoming revered as these gurus because they tell basement dwellers basic fucking common sense wrapped up in these political messages that are exactly what they want to hear?
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Hedda Gocklespear - Sun, 02 Feb 2020 22:46:16 EST okIBfjTP No.209940 Reply
Interesting to update this thread. Since the start:
  1. Peterson came out that he was in Klonopin hole for most of his rise to fame.
  2. Rogan interviewed Yang and Sanders then refused to interview anyone else and endorsed Sanders.
  3. Jeffery Epstein was murdered.
Thomas Chammerchone - Sun, 02 Feb 2020 23:17:30 EST fGHDtkRk No.209941 Reply
Jeffery Epstein's body double was murdered you mean to say. The real Epstein is living large in South America

Near-term Extinction

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- Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:01:29 EST ywHNbnM1 No.209806
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*Global warming
*Nuclear war
*Collapse of the ecosystem
*Dependence on finite resources
*Designer pathogens
*Resource wars
*Political polarization leading to massive civil unrest

The Great Filter cometh.

We're not going to be able to think our way out of the hole we've dug for ourselves. Humanity is facing near-term extinction and there's nothing we can do about it.
So how are you dealing with this (asuming you believe it)? Personally I take the George Carlin stance, I no longer have any investment into humanity. I have totally disconnected myself from this world and am totally indifferent to the fate of mankind. I had hopes and dreams for our species, but they were all a pipe dream.
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Phineas Bunfield - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 16:52:16 EST 5dmw7PwC No.209952 Reply
i do admit to being off by around a magnitude of 1 or 2, what would that be called, a billenia, a trillenia?


there have been tons more mass extinction events than one, for example the one that caused the extinction of various large mammoths roughly 13,000 years ago. scientists don't seem to have reached any consensus as to why, but there is a recurring period of maximum glaciation that occurs roughly every 92,000 years. i was watching a video about a climatologist who claimed that the recurrence in his findings was closer to every ~15,000 years, but now i can't find the shit.

obviously a meteor hitting the planet is a vastly more massive extinction event, but as social creatures who rely on agriculture to propagate, an extreme drop in crop output is most likely enough to destroy civilization as we know it, or at least force us to effectively restart from the beginning


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- Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:45:31 EST /XQxUE3u No.204775
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Hey guys I'm just starting to learn how to meditate. So far I can go up to 3 minutes and after that I can't focus any longer. But, I'd say I'm starting off good.

How many of you here meditate on a daily basis? In what way does it help you? What is your favorite type of meditation?

I'm learning sleep meditation and zen. I want to broaden my horizons and love myself again. With this meditation I hope to achieve a higher level of being and be able to like myself and have a positive outlook on life.
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Nicholas Nellybag - Mon, 06 Jan 2020 05:40:37 EST ByHBrPh1 No.209907 Reply
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I guess I'll pitch in my two cents. In my opinion, there's not a lot of progress you can make in meditation without studying Dharma teachings between sessions.

Essentially, happiness is only a thought away. We don't need anything externally to be happy. We can literally think ourselves to happiness. For example, if you think you've won a million dollars, you might become very happy. And if you think you've suddenly become a million dollars in debt, you might become very sad. It's simply the *belief* that makes us happy. Not the actual money.

With enough training, you no longer need external influences to achieve such a state. You're able to create peace internally. A master guru can maintain this despite their life circumstances. Everything we need for happiness is within.

Meditation gives you a space to find some peace and calm. Typically we do this in a nice quiet setting. But by meditating, you learn to take that calm outside of meditation and carry it with you. And when your life is chaos, you can learn to control yourself and bring yourself back to that peace of meditaiton. Mindfulness has helped me live in the present moment and live each moment of my life more fully.

There's a classic story that was described by Thich Nhat Hanh. A farmer loses all his cows and is saddened by the loss. A few monks comment that they're happy that they don't have any cows to lose in the first place. This is why attachment leads to suffering.

Anyways, meditation has helped me let go of things. But it's also allowed me to appreciate things more when they're in front of me, because I know it's all temporary. There is only the present. Meditation has kept me from being so caught up in the future that I can't enjoy my life as it is.
UnamusementPark !ikwaNLFmBo - Mon, 06 Jan 2020 16:27:58 EST BvX5CZvf No.209908 Reply
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#Legend of Zelda 2 shotposing
That was Hugh Hef., not I. But please, speed past the point and cause a circuit blowout, you fool!
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Ian Honkinridge - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 01:21:07 EST zc6SoWDP No.209921 Reply
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> Meditation has kept me from being so caught up in the future that I can't enjoy my life as it is.

Meditation does this for me. Meditation also helps me from being so caught up in the past that I can't enjoy my life as it is.

Sometimes I will have a memory of a really embarrassing time in my life, or a time someone betrayed me, or a time I was suffering in some other way. Sometimes I dwell on those memories for hours or days. Sometimes when I am alone I have really positive memories of times I was with friends or family surrounded by love and I feel happiness because I remember their love but I also feel sad because I am not near those people.

Sometimes when I think about the future I have fantasies about how my life may be better. The difference between my fantasy and my real life brings suffering. Sometimes I have great anxieties about things such as social events, job deadlines, or death.

All of my thoughts about the future or the past bring suffering. Meditation is an important tool to learn how to be in the moment.

Schools turned into psychic-wards

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- Fri, 28 Jul 2017 05:24:38 EST wN9L5jv0 No.208300
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What the fuck is wrong with children at schools nowadays?!

It turned really to the worse!

Learned it the hard way during an internship:

Children don't learn any essential behavioral patterns anymore. 90% are getting their educational input by some arsehole youtuber and the parents just don't care.

So the teacher has too often the role of educating these hellspawns in basic social-skills!

Too often I hear stupid parents say shit like "we were bad in school too! We did also pull pranks and were disrespectfull" (best if done in hearing-range of their hellspawn!)

but I dare you to visit a regular school or Campus these days: There is a difference between smoking in secret at the restrooms or attacking teachers with scissors (and beeing a disrespectful cunt in general)
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Frederick Callybanks - Sun, 29 Dec 2019 13:20:00 EST +41UFqoX No.209896 Reply
>le dead chan may may

I know a teacher who says you're not allowed to require homework anymore nor give grades for it and all other grading is done on a 1-2-3 scale instead of number or letter grades. Literally not even writing your name on a test gets you a 1. Passing is a 2 or 3. Granted this is k-5. They still use number grades around here in 6-12.

Having children because they'll take care of you when youre old

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- Sun, 01 Dec 2019 18:13:19 EST +n0riTme No.209855
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Whoever brought kids because they think they’ll get taken care of when they’re old can go fuck themselves.

Anyone whose retirement plan is for their children to become full time CNA's is going to be fucked when their children say no.
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Edward Bittingwurk - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 23:22:21 EST AwFARtk4 No.209860 Reply
OP it sounds like your perspective stems from a personal connection to the issue, maybe not your own parents or family members, but someone you are close to.

most people dont PLAN for that to be the case it just ends up being a convenient way for younger people without any solid direction in life to make money doing something they would be doing even without pay
Cornelius Trotdale - Thu, 05 Dec 2019 05:08:58 EST F2yFh27a No.209863 Reply
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what a asshole bitch.

"hey mom, I know you can't consent because you are senile,
but let me post your face all over the internet and tell strangers you play with your own poop!"

I remember vividly how the parents of my ex-gf tried to peer-pressure her and me into having kids. They used the same argument of course.
Right at the start of our relationship. wtf.
Isabella Congernetch - Tue, 24 Dec 2019 05:17:18 EST eLEHh0uv No.209885 Reply
I've vaguely considered the possibility that when I have kids they may be able to provide for me.

Specifically it's because I had a shitty upbringing myself (no guidance from parents, put into shitty school), and to the best of my ability I want to get a good job and secure a good future for my children. I want to homeschool them and teach them maths, biology etc at an early age. Partly because its a good idea in and of itself but also because I could secure their futures/help them to become employable as adults.

But mostly I don't expect anything (also I will marry my daughters off).

people with "magic thinking"

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- Mon, 02 Sep 2019 11:20:45 EST U+CRTLPX No.209767
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Ages ago I heard about a study or book about a large part of the population who have a somewhat "magical" way of thinking and how those are the people most likely to support dogmas and refuse to educate themselves on things. Anybody can help me out with that?
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Edwin Greenstone - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 03:25:20 EST hcOExBer No.209853 Reply
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Comparable to people thinking that Planet X or Nibiru was going to collide with Earth in 2012. A la Terrence Moonseed of Rap News. Tho that's just a certain sector of the population... Believing conspiracy theories fits this thinking, but subscribing a different explanation besides magic or god(s), a conspiratorial alibi and projection to define something which is far too complex for simple explanations like an elite cabal of people ruling the world or a secret society of lizard people infiltrating humanity. Though tinfoil thought does have valid underpinnings of wanting to understand societal developments and meaning.

( Rap News 30 - NWO https://youtu.be/W4nSjPdT788 )

Beyond tinfoil there is the symbolic representation of magical and religious thinking about objects or rituals or events and the question of how important it is to signify what's occurred (or what will or should occur) and memorializing it. I wonder about the importance of faith in believing something will occur -- and by extension the power of the mind(?), on having an effect physically and/or psychologically to aid recovery from an illness.

This reminds me of the metal music by YOB and their most recent album Our Raw Heart which is a story of one member overcoming "extremely painful and potentially fatal intestinal disease", and in the song Screen: the lyrics screaming rhythmically:

"Ancient poison

Often there is a call for more focus on coming of age rituals to signify the progression from youth into adulthood.

Anyways, more info about what y'all are talking about would be cool and I will keep my ears open.
Shit Honeyway - Sat, 21 Dec 2019 22:40:25 EST gkGQRl44 No.209880 Reply
I think there are two questions implicit then in that. I will say what they are then qualify them.

  1. To what extent do people require "knowledge" about the things they do in terms of actions they carry out?

Example: To what extent do I need to know "how" something works versus simply knowing "that" something works.

2. To what extent should you trust experts?

In the medicine instance you stated, my knee-jerk reaction is that, generally, we expect those in a position to know and have an incentive to provide truthful information to be truthful when they tell you that something is wrong with you and you need this pill etc.
Beatrice Blathershaw - Sun, 22 Dec 2019 07:18:55 EST xEzpk0dP No.209881 Reply
This is a good question with no easy answer. We have a limited amount of knowledge we can fit into our brains so some "magic" is required to get through the day, however we should acknowledge that we are ignorant to it and the limitations that our non knowledge brings. This means in terms of the opinions we form and also that just because we don't understand it, it doesn't mean someone else won't.

I posted about fiat money in another thread. Economics is not magic to me. I'm not a real expert but I have a degree in the subject so my knowledge even with the rust and shittiness of my degree is well above average. Most people don't even know what an economy is and will vote based on the economy all the same.

Which bridges to experts. The same extent we should trust their motives and their expert status. Experts aren't always right but they are right a lot more than other people. In the absence of strong evidence counter to their position these are the people who know the subject. Coming back to economics, I'm more inclined to trust academics because they don't have a vested interest. When a big business leader says something I trust their knowledge, I just don't trust their motives and that their advice or proclamation is for the good of the effectiveness of the economy rather than just maximising their slice. Medicine is another good one. Doctors are sometimes wrong, but often the issue is that they are only experts in certain areas. My girlfriend has a rare immune disorder and a lot of doctors have never encountered it so she knows more. In this case she was originally diagnosed by a doctor but a lot of the time she's the expert in the room, at least until the doctors read up and apply their knowledge. I suppose that opens a second can of worms "who are the experts?". I feel even if you're an expert in a subject you will have blind spots and when those come up you're not an expert in those.

I think a lot of issues with experts arise from them not being experts during a given disagreement or issue or people who aren't experts insisting on overriding them on purely idealistic reasons. Usually political ones. The war on drugs is of course a top example of this AND also that there are "experts" giving advice which is sound for their specific agenda and not the nation (and nations pursuing a similar policy) on the whole.

fiat currency

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- Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:12:32 EST qeOwblsq No.209869
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not really sure how basing and debasement of the gold standard in response to the real uncontrolled gold prices (they tried to control it) during a recession is not literally the same exact monetary tool as the ones supposedly made available by fiat currency but ok?

not really sure how mandating all payments to the average joe to be made in something that will never lose value is not the best social welfare program to end all social welfare programs but ok?

meanwhile i hear that CPI has been smudged and fiddled by those clever accountants to not include the inflating prices of goods consumers actually buy ie gas and education? so actually the decline of the us dollar and great depression we are currently in is kind of worse than in the datasets?

>value judgements

may you 20-somethings out there forgo the latest gimped out desktop of an iphone in order to follow up on a physical investment with the purchasing of drastically inflated land, dog bles
Sophie Duckdock - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 13:07:55 EST CPrPDQWq No.209873 Reply
For a long time I wondered if I was too stupid to get these arguments but I'm starting to think they just don't make sense.

Gold goes up and down in value, everything does because there is no such thing as absolute value. It's arbitrary. If the products the average Joe needs to buy go up in price even with gold standard he gets poorer. Inflation has always happened. Since my country dumped its gold it has not risen. In fact it has fallen though actually that has nothing to do with gold and everything to do with the central bank.

In the even the promissary note stops working your society has collapsed and gold falls in value too. What do people need gold for in such circumstances? The value of everything else, especially say shotguns and canned food goes up.

I agree that CPI is a shady measure. those items are included though, just under weighted. I'm not sure it's clever accountants fudging figures though, the politicians just elect to choose the more optimistic way of defining figures and their statisticians/economists do what they're told. They're subtle enough to use methods that stand up to casual scrutiny and are plausibly deniable.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the flaws of fiat currency. Money is a measure of value, medium of trade and potentially store of value, but it just represents and entirely arbitrary amount of resources. I'm not sure what you're actually getting at. I think you're one of those people who's hung up on the gold standard. Or maybe this is where I am missing the obvious. How will it translate into.. something good?


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- Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:04:22 EST XAhNojmD No.209841
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0 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

Favorite Philosophers?

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- Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:52:39 EST KGYHppHw No.209613
File: 1551469959744.jpg -(288762B / 281.99KB, 1600x1067) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Favorite Philosophers?
Tough question i suppose.

Don't have a favorite myself, but i really like Max Cafard and his expansion of the Situationist's concept of psychological exploration called a Derive, into Surregional Exploration. His other essays skirting many philosophers and critiquing them was a nice introduction to all of these concepts I was ignorant of at the time.

Anyways, what's your favorite philosophy or philosopher?
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Barnaby Blunnershaw - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 21:54:15 EST DK1GZlb6 No.209717 Reply
Camus all the way bitch.
Archie Gockleford - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 06:43:52 EST 5y5Cpc7D No.209732 Reply
Ken Wilbur, among others. He's not a great philosopher, but his concepts gave me somewhere to go from bleak existentialism. I felt like I knew a little more about the shape of the world; it gave me some meaning to work with.
Barnaby Wiblingfark - Tue, 22 Oct 2019 02:16:35 EST hcOExBer No.209803 Reply
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Considering all the answers here, how does anyone distinguish between these philosophers. Like some metric to meaningfully compare and contrast by?


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- Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:14:35 EST 2HazwbDc No.209524
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When you think of infinity do you think of a loop, or do you think of an endless unbounded happening, like pi, for example.
If things are, as they seem, infinite(i suppose thats an assumption) do you think it loops back into itself or stretches on forever.

Pic unrelated, but we should probably start a revolution pretty soon.
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Jack Wepperson - Wed, 01 May 2019 04:02:47 EST agUXn1jU No.209666 Reply
An endless unbound happening caught in loop within a loop of itslelf cancelling saod loop but creating a mirrored loop of itself bound by time. ie infinite symbol
Barnaby Wiblingfark - Tue, 22 Oct 2019 02:09:22 EST hcOExBer No.209802 Reply
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Infinity could be thought of as cycles rather than on repeat, mayhaps.

Questions involving time get confusing. I enjoyed the sci-fi rendition in Last Legends of Earth as a way of imagining how time works. And the other iterations.

deep philosophical post

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- Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:08:12 EST qeOwblsq No.209749
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What is our purpose?
Where do we come from?
Where are we going?
What is truth?
What is free will?
Is there life after death?
Are we alone in the universe?
Is there a god watching us or do we watch ourselves?
What's keeping us alive?
The will to create?
The inspiration to build?
To teach your son right from wrong?

Introducing the Honda Ferrari only from Ford.
This has been a fucking car advertisement the entire time.
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Nicholas Surringtotch - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 22:33:03 EST 8gq7GAVV No.209783 Reply
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>What is our purpose?
Quit that shit, you fucking dumb cunt.

Purpose doesn't exist and purpose is idiotic.

The universe IS. That's all. Deal with it.
Betsy Lightson - Sun, 06 Oct 2019 04:01:02 EST hcOExBer No.209791 Reply
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From a social, where/how do i relate to people, society, the world, and the cosmos, there's a symbolic importance.

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