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people with "magic thinking"

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- Mon, 02 Sep 2019 11:20:45 EST U+CRTLPX No.209767
File: 1567437645997.gif -(3837933B / 3.66MB, 202x360) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. people with "magic thinking"
Ages ago I heard about a study or book about a large part of the population who have a somewhat "magical" way of thinking and how those are the people most likely to support dogmas and refuse to educate themselves on things. Anybody can help me out with that?
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Edwin Greenstone - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 03:25:20 EST hcOExBer No.209853 Reply
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Comparable to people thinking that Planet X or Nibiru was going to collide with Earth in 2012. A la Terrence Moonseed of Rap News. Tho that's just a certain sector of the population... Believing conspiracy theories fits this thinking, but subscribing a different explanation besides magic or god(s), a conspiratorial alibi and projection to define something which is far too complex for simple explanations like an elite cabal of people ruling the world or a secret society of lizard people infiltrating humanity. Though tinfoil thought does have valid underpinnings of wanting to understand societal developments and meaning.

( Rap News 30 - NWO https://youtu.be/W4nSjPdT788 )

Beyond tinfoil there is the symbolic representation of magical and religious thinking about objects or rituals or events and the question of how important it is to signify what's occurred (or what will or should occur) and memorializing it. I wonder about the importance of faith in believing something will occur -- and by extension the power of the mind(?), on having an effect physically and/or psychologically to aid recovery from an illness.

This reminds me of the metal music by YOB and their most recent album Our Raw Heart which is a story of one member overcoming "extremely painful and potentially fatal intestinal disease", and in the song Screen: the lyrics screaming rhythmically:

"Ancient poison
Out
Out
Out"

Often there is a call for more focus on coming of age rituals to signify the progression from youth into adulthood.

Anyways, more info about what y'all are talking about would be cool and I will keep my ears open.
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Shit Honeyway - Sat, 21 Dec 2019 22:40:25 EST gkGQRl44 No.209880 Reply
>>209842
>>209852
I think there are two questions implicit then in that. I will say what they are then qualify them.

  1. To what extent do people require "knowledge" about the things they do in terms of actions they carry out?

Example: To what extent do I need to know "how" something works versus simply knowing "that" something works.

2. To what extent should you trust experts?

In the medicine instance you stated, my knee-jerk reaction is that, generally, we expect those in a position to know and have an incentive to provide truthful information to be truthful when they tell you that something is wrong with you and you need this pill etc.
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Beatrice Blathershaw - Sun, 22 Dec 2019 07:18:55 EST xEzpk0dP No.209881 Reply
>>209880
This is a good question with no easy answer. We have a limited amount of knowledge we can fit into our brains so some "magic" is required to get through the day, however we should acknowledge that we are ignorant to it and the limitations that our non knowledge brings. This means in terms of the opinions we form and also that just because we don't understand it, it doesn't mean someone else won't.

I posted about fiat money in another thread. Economics is not magic to me. I'm not a real expert but I have a degree in the subject so my knowledge even with the rust and shittiness of my degree is well above average. Most people don't even know what an economy is and will vote based on the economy all the same.

Which bridges to experts. The same extent we should trust their motives and their expert status. Experts aren't always right but they are right a lot more than other people. In the absence of strong evidence counter to their position these are the people who know the subject. Coming back to economics, I'm more inclined to trust academics because they don't have a vested interest. When a big business leader says something I trust their knowledge, I just don't trust their motives and that their advice or proclamation is for the good of the effectiveness of the economy rather than just maximising their slice. Medicine is another good one. Doctors are sometimes wrong, but often the issue is that they are only experts in certain areas. My girlfriend has a rare immune disorder and a lot of doctors have never encountered it so she knows more. In this case she was originally diagnosed by a doctor but a lot of the time she's the expert in the room, at least until the doctors read up and apply their knowledge. I suppose that opens a second can of worms "who are the experts?". I feel even if you're an expert in a subject you will have blind spots and when those come up you're not an expert in those.

I think a lot of issues with experts arise from them not being experts during a given disagreement or issue or people who aren't experts insisting on overriding them on purely idealistic reasons. Usually political ones. The war on drugs is of course a top example of this AND also that there are "experts" giving advice which is sound for their specific agenda and not the nation (and nations pursuing a similar policy) on the whole.


fiat currency

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- Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:12:32 EST qeOwblsq No.209869
File: 1576181552978.jpg -(1160465B / 1.11MB, 2668x1768) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. fiat currency
not really sure how basing and debasement of the gold standard in response to the real uncontrolled gold prices (they tried to control it) during a recession is not literally the same exact monetary tool as the ones supposedly made available by fiat currency but ok?

not really sure how mandating all payments to the average joe to be made in something that will never lose value is not the best social welfare program to end all social welfare programs but ok?

meanwhile i hear that CPI has been smudged and fiddled by those clever accountants to not include the inflating prices of goods consumers actually buy ie gas and education? so actually the decline of the us dollar and great depression we are currently in is kind of worse than in the datasets?

>value judgements

may you 20-somethings out there forgo the latest gimped out desktop of an iphone in order to follow up on a physical investment with the purchasing of drastically inflated land, dog bles
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Sophie Duckdock - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 13:07:55 EST CPrPDQWq No.209873 Reply
>>209869
For a long time I wondered if I was too stupid to get these arguments but I'm starting to think they just don't make sense.

Gold goes up and down in value, everything does because there is no such thing as absolute value. It's arbitrary. If the products the average Joe needs to buy go up in price even with gold standard he gets poorer. Inflation has always happened. Since my country dumped its gold it has not risen. In fact it has fallen though actually that has nothing to do with gold and everything to do with the central bank.

In the even the promissary note stops working your society has collapsed and gold falls in value too. What do people need gold for in such circumstances? The value of everything else, especially say shotguns and canned food goes up.

I agree that CPI is a shady measure. those items are included though, just under weighted. I'm not sure it's clever accountants fudging figures though, the politicians just elect to choose the more optimistic way of defining figures and their statisticians/economists do what they're told. They're subtle enough to use methods that stand up to casual scrutiny and are plausibly deniable.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the flaws of fiat currency. Money is a measure of value, medium of trade and potentially store of value, but it just represents and entirely arbitrary amount of resources. I'm not sure what you're actually getting at. I think you're one of those people who's hung up on the gold standard. Or maybe this is where I am missing the obvious. How will it translate into.. something good?

12:10

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- Tue, 19 Nov 2019 23:04:22 EST XAhNojmD No.209841
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0 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

Favorite Philosophers?

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- Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:52:39 EST KGYHppHw No.209613
File: 1551469959744.jpg -(288762B / 281.99KB, 1600x1067) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Favorite Philosophers?
Tough question i suppose.

Don't have a favorite myself, but i really like Max Cafard and his expansion of the Situationist's concept of psychological exploration called a Derive, into Surregional Exploration. His other essays skirting many philosophers and critiquing them was a nice introduction to all of these concepts I was ignorant of at the time.

Anyways, what's your favorite philosophy or philosopher?
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Barnaby Blunnershaw - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 21:54:15 EST DK1GZlb6 No.209717 Reply
Camus all the way bitch.
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Archie Gockleford - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 06:43:52 EST 5y5Cpc7D No.209732 Reply
>>209613
Ken Wilbur, among others. He's not a great philosopher, but his concepts gave me somewhere to go from bleak existentialism. I felt like I knew a little more about the shape of the world; it gave me some meaning to work with.
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Barnaby Wiblingfark - Tue, 22 Oct 2019 02:16:35 EST hcOExBer No.209803 Reply
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Considering all the answers here, how does anyone distinguish between these philosophers. Like some metric to meaningfully compare and contrast by?

Infinity

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- Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:14:35 EST 2HazwbDc No.209524
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When you think of infinity do you think of a loop, or do you think of an endless unbounded happening, like pi, for example.
If things are, as they seem, infinite(i suppose thats an assumption) do you think it loops back into itself or stretches on forever.

Pic unrelated, but we should probably start a revolution pretty soon.
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Jack Wepperson - Wed, 01 May 2019 04:02:47 EST agUXn1jU No.209666 Reply
>>209524
An endless unbound happening caught in loop within a loop of itslelf cancelling saod loop but creating a mirrored loop of itself bound by time. ie infinite symbol
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Barnaby Wiblingfark - Tue, 22 Oct 2019 02:09:22 EST hcOExBer No.209802 Reply
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>>209524
Infinity could be thought of as cycles rather than on repeat, mayhaps.

Questions involving time get confusing. I enjoyed the sci-fi rendition in Last Legends of Earth as a way of imagining how time works. And the other iterations.

deep philosophical post

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- Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:08:12 EST qeOwblsq No.209749
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What is our purpose?
Where do we come from?
Where are we going?
What is truth?
What is free will?
Is there life after death?
Are we alone in the universe?
Is there a god watching us or do we watch ourselves?
What's keeping us alive?
The will to create?
The inspiration to build?
To teach your son right from wrong?

Introducing the Honda Ferrari only from Ford.
This has been a fucking car advertisement the entire time.
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Nicholas Surringtotch - Sat, 28 Sep 2019 22:33:03 EST 8gq7GAVV No.209783 Reply
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>What is our purpose?
Quit that shit, you fucking dumb cunt.

Purpose doesn't exist and purpose is idiotic.

The universe IS. That's all. Deal with it.
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Betsy Lightson - Sun, 06 Oct 2019 04:01:02 EST hcOExBer No.209791 Reply
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>>209783
From a social, where/how do i relate to people, society, the world, and the cosmos, there's a symbolic importance.

Stirner on labor

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- Wed, 02 May 2018 09:41:48 EST EQAAY6X6 No.209163
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Stirner knows literally nothing about labor or laborers. His ideas are juvenile. He thinks laborers are more powerful than businessmen/entrepreneurs. He’s wrong. The two are essentially equal in power, because the one cannot exist without the other. People like Stirner grossly under-estimate the intelligence of the entrepreneur and grossly over-estimate the simplicity of the laborer. I been in labor my entire life; seen tons of guys spend even 25 years straight happily laboring for good pay, because they’re simple and conservative and are much more focused on getting paid and going home to their families than becoming some sort of businessman or critical-thinker. These conservative family-oriented laborers are literally our backbone, and they always require leaders to guide them.
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Angus Hazzlewill - Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:31:07 EST nh1fspOE No.209785 Reply
>>209176
Fuck off. I'm a laborer because it's the work I have available to me, with an able body and no tertiary education. But you're a fucking bullshitter if you think of us as some otherized "simple folk". Fucking get the fuck out of here. What the fuck gives you the authority to lord over us anyway, other than an economic and political system built on privilege and injustice? Where a man can build ten houses for richer people yet not afford to buy his own? Where rich kids afford to send their kids off to rich schools to get rich jobs and inherit rich money, while we start from dirt each generation?
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Angus Hazzlewill - Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:39:03 EST nh1fspOE No.209786 Reply
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Wait a second, fuck, I'm drunkenly yelling at ghosts. These posts I'm replying to are all over a year old. What the fuck I come back after ten years and 420chan is.. dead?
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Rebecca Semmerstock - Mon, 30 Sep 2019 18:16:24 EST hcOExBer No.209787 Reply
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>>209786
Nah, just some of these academic boards move real slow now. Your posts are interesting though so thanks for 2cents. I wholeheartedly agree from theory and experience. Especially when a new boss is hired from outside and they don't know anything. Or how bosses just stand around and talk to each other while us laborers are working hard and their making way more money then we are even though we're the ones doing all the work. OP was probably just trolling anyways.

business discussion

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- Sat, 30 Jun 2018 23:49:10 EST Wdy2/dMQ No.209301
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hey guys me and a few friends from uni investment class have created an anonchat group to discuss capitalism, investing and business in general where we share knowledge amonst ourselves.

if you are a serious capitalist and can repay the insights you get, you will be welcome. no idiots allowed though.

we are more interested in value investing and real business stuff, plebs who like technical analysis, derivative blockchain shit and dropshipping will be mocked.



This post was edited by amaretti on 18-09-2019 20:41:44
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Eugene Brubbernane - Tue, 04 Sep 2018 11:36:04 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209438 Reply
>>209427
>>One guy samefagging is proof of my group's dominance
Achievable goals, fam.
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Nathaniel Choddleworth - Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:07:09 EST Mo4+Pk2G No.209776 Reply
>>209301
Investing in (real) silver coins is almost always profitable.
Fortune 500 companies as business partners 12 years down the line.

Americans hate everything besides cars

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- Mon, 28 May 2018 13:04:17 EST AwbVlekG No.209223
File: 1527527057350.jpg -(100681B / 98.32KB, 648x920) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Americans hate everything besides cars
Why are Americans so convinced that mass transit is a conspiracy?
If anything, there’s a pretty plain conspiracy to fund cars over every other mode of transportation.
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A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Sat, 07 Sep 2019 02:11:19 EST /G/Hwlm8 No.209770 Reply
>>209769
No. States without insane restrictive building regulations, don't have that problem.
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Nathaniel Choddleworth - Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:01:57 EST Mo4+Pk2G No.209775 Reply
>>209223

Maybe because train cars were used as extermination cars in Nazi Germany?

Need help finding a philosophy quote / author.

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- Fri, 16 Aug 2019 17:10:24 EST t7Sn0YSu No.209747
File: 1565989824747.jpg -(56572B / 55.25KB, 425x450) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Need help finding a philosophy quote / author.
Hello /pss/,

It's been a while since I've posed here, but I really need help tracking down a quote and author. It's such a poignant quote which is quite relevant in our current political climate.

Unfortunately, I don't remember the exact text or the author, but here is a paraphrase of the quote:

"The surest way to rally people around some noble cause is the promise of being able to mistreat someone without consequences - the most satisfying of sadistic delights."

I've been tearing my hair out trying to nail down the real quote but I just can't find it. Anyone know what I'm talking about here?
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Isabella Ponkinterk - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 22:10:55 EST 7hg9eMBL No.209751 Reply
>>209747
I've heard similar quotes before, although I can't remember the specific author. That one though is relatively recent, and was said by a guy named Oliver Cemblewell.
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Polly Wannerfen - Fri, 30 Aug 2019 00:09:23 EST NAcNncXr No.209763 Reply
>>209751
>>209747
Sounds a lot like an Orwell, likely an anti-fascist/anti-communist from the earlier part of the twentieth century. Hannah Arendt wrote a decent scholarly work on the matter called Origins of Totalitarianism.
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Barnaby Siblingforth - Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:06:11 EST fGw07qTD No.209766 Reply
Hannah was a jew and involved with a known Nazi, Heidegger. seems like even if she hated totalitarianism she sure loved fucking totalitarians. Orwell was a hypocrite too.

Abstract discussion thread

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- Thu, 12 Jul 2018 02:01:21 EST QfvuJGLY No.209398
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My brain is the same as your brain except for the fact that your brain functions entirely unlike mine even though assuming we both fit the parameters for having a "normally" formed brain and posses a healthy neural structure that is supposed to control certain aspects of our psychology and physiology in the same matter.
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Fucking Webbersat - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 04:56:59 EST gwPZwf6j No.209454 Reply
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It's about inhibition and stimulation of neurons firing. Long term potentiation, different neurotransmitters and what have you. I've only got a schoolboy understanding of it.

>>209402
I think thinking in categories is useful, I'm not sure what alternatives there are to that.... like a thought resembling a hypercomplex geometry (if that's what it can be called) because it never has context or appropriation to anything else, just summarily everything in such a way that there is never intersection between anything and no parallels because new things that are analogous to (but always changeable whenever an issue of context or relation to anything else arises, such as) matrix dimensions, number theories and logic/non-logic maxims are created to avoid any kind of abstraction, inductions, deductions or ordinate comparisons to take place.
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William Fendlemore - Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:35:19 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209455 Reply
>>209454
>>I'm not sure what alternatives there are to that
Of course, because your mind operates using the concept of categories, the fish cannot see the water. It may be unavoidable for human minds, or it may be unavoidable for minds in general, to utilize categories. Really, they are an expansion of the concept of sets. But what is dangerous is assuming that the categories are real or are things in and of themselves. Almost all of the debates of early philosophy can be stemmed to a confusion about whether or not the categories exist or are real in themselves.

But in the same way that set theory demonstrates no set of axioms can completely describe itself, when we realize the categories are sets, we realize they can't actually be the thing they themselves purport to be; the defining rule encompassing all types of a thing. They are the mirages of the mental landscape, and I think society would be better off if we learned to treat them as such.

Internet

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- Tue, 09 Jul 2019 21:53:47 EST G9E83KJu No.209719
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Where will social media and the internet be in 10 -20 years?
My guess is we will all be wired into the net, where we cannot tell between online and the real world - constant virtual reality.
We will adapt a hive mind and all consciousness will become one
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George Cobberwater - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:02:29 EST 8aXtgW/P No.209746 Reply
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Lol I forgot the pic cause I'm high and drunk at the same time
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Graham Blythespear - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 20:41:32 EST nQTynWUg No.209748 Reply
>>209719

We can't really tell the difference between the online world and real live already.

The fusion of it and VR/Augmented reality or even worse direct to brain interface will be a social catastrophe. You heard it here first folks.

historical accuracy of Foucault

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- Tue, 11 Jun 2019 23:38:07 EST u+iaeV9p No.209689
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There is absolutely no historical evidence for what he's saying in this book and the overwhelming consensus of historians is the exact opposite of what he proposes. What am I missing here? Discipline and Punish and the History of Sexuality are relatively sound both philosophically and historically and the underlying arguments he's making in this book are reasonable. Where did he get his understanding of history for this? Did he just not really care and that's the point or what?
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Matilda Ginderpadging - Wed, 17 Jul 2019 09:44:50 EST LwxsxyPf No.209723 Reply
>>209689
>What am I missing here?
it's about the development of institutions which confine the 'other' and seperate him from the rest of society. The importance of Foucaults work is more in the methodology. Just google it I guess.
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Augustus Blythelock - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 02:04:35 EST vI2KG7aE No.209743 Reply
>>209689
Foucault was right about mental illness but was a giant fedora tipper

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