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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

"Nothing can be changed except ourselves"

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- Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:01:29 EST LdHLS4vG No.209555
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As someone who's wanted to change the world, let's talk about the subject. Is it a valid statement? Why or why not?
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Matilda Sinkinwell - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 05:04:32 EST VBH3q3ZR No.209574 Reply
You can change both yourself and society. Do you not have a brain, arms, legs, mouth, and hands?. Who/what do you want to change and why? To achieve this does this require you to change yourself first, or to change society first, or only one of these? These tidy little motivational quotes annoy the fuck out of me and require specific context to have any use whatsoever.

What is your fucking goal? What are the steps required to get there? Mystics like to turn common sense into fucking rocket science.

I would generally agree however that most people who want to change the world are not remotely ready to make a difference until they evolve as people. You must empower yourself before you can have the power to change things, and you must fully recognize what it is that you want to change.
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Sophie Crorrywell - Mon, 19 Nov 2018 03:30:23 EST XqsBUz5h No.209584 Reply
The world will change only if you change yourself.
Just take it easy and accept that shit is as it is, and you won't chanve the world, however by changing yourself the world will change around you.
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Sophie Crorrywell - Mon, 19 Nov 2018 03:36:58 EST XqsBUz5h No.209585 Reply
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>>209572
I think a lot of us here are in that boat mate, but don't forget that people felt lije that before with probably better reasons. Shit might get wild for a while but you shouldn't give in to the darkness. Be carefull with media, they show the world in a very negative state and are thus co-responsible for feeding anger and despair into the hearts and minds of the people. My guess is to try and educate people and to have open and calm conversations, but i'm saying this who has become quite the social hermit lately.

YOU AND ME BABY WE'RE NOTHING BUT MAMMALS SO LETS DO IT LIKE THEY DO ON THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL[%/]

Psychology

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- Fri, 16 Nov 2018 08:38:44 EST pMfGENvq No.209575
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Hey! Could anyone take this 5-10 minute survey to aid me with research for my thesis? It’s quite interesting, easy to complete and completely anonymous! I will be posting results when I have all of the participants that I need! All nationalities welcome! Thanks in advance!

https://docs.google.com/forms/u/1/d/1ml9H-dmG4jOI31EOEIPBH5b00PLxAgvXKP5iJXyR-TM
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Matilda Sinkinwell - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 11:00:17 EST VBH3q3ZR No.209578 Reply
Also good job posting your survey to sites full of trolls such as forchan genius
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Matilda Sinkinwell - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 11:33:53 EST VBH3q3ZR No.209579 Reply
Lol. I started to fill in the craziest answers possible and I realized this thing is literally trying to label me a school shooter. I didn't submit
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Graham Honkintirk - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 15:15:11 EST ZGNH5R/T No.209580 Reply
>>209575
1701 year old Denobulan Trisexual cogenitor gender reporting in. I just drew Guitar Hero charts for my answers.

Youtube Philosophy

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- Sun, 30 Sep 2018 22:33:32 EST zh7QJYof No.209476
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Lately I've been looking at video essays on youtube. It's a pretty fun genre and it's useful for taking a break from reading all the time. Have you got any interesting youtube channels about philosophy? I would rather that it wasn't divulgation (like Kant's philosophy in 3 minutes or something like that) but rather something original, though soundly philosophically grounded.

Contrapoints - Marxist trans girl, who's sort of anti-rationalist. She studied philosophy and neurosciences. Pretty fun stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ContraPoints

Zero Books - Publisher of Mark Fisher, among others. Really critical of Peterson, and really into Vaporwave. Lots of popular cultural critique.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyoQK-mZXr2ws4C0nXGCH1w

stallion Philosophy - Still has really few videos, but they are fun and well researched. Cultural critique and capitalist realism. Their last video on World music is really good.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSkzHxIcfoEr69MWBdo0ppg/videos
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Thomas Gangerworth - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:05:35 EST kbqhsVlv No.209488 Reply
>>209476
not necessarily video essays but if you like the above three you'll probably like this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6dZvcECIrk Sissyphus Redeemed. He doesn't seem to post videos anymore but the channel is still there and he is a very smart guy -and not in that joe rogan sophist way.

there's also Destiny https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC554eY5jNUfDq3yDOJYirOQ who unlike SR^ is a complete layman but very aware of it and admits it often, nonetheless he is also a smart guy. Again it's not essays so much, just debates, talking to retarded alt-right.

Three Arrows https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions/UCCT8a7d6S6RJUivBgNRsiYg and Shaun https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions/UCJ6o36XL0CpYb6U5dNBiXHQ are both more proper essay style youtubers but are more about politics than philosophy. Still worth looking at tho. Also HBomberguy https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions/UClt01z1wHHT7c5lKcU8pxRQ which is more focussed on gaming but very entertaining and also responds to the alt right.

thats pretty much all i got

Free College In The USA

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- Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:28:10 EST qum7+esS No.209429
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What if you could make college free and then make admission to colleges be based purely on merit, but with a twist: you are compared only to the others at your own school to determine if you qualify for admission to a college rather than comparing you to the whole nation. Say you get the top scores and grades on your tests in your high school, but for national averages, your test scores/grades would still be too low to get into the top schools traditionally, under the new system, you would get admission because compared to your peers you did the best and therefore deserve to be in a top school. If one school has bad teachers or not enough funding, why should the students suffer? They should be judged against those who had an equal playing field, ie those in their own school rather than those who may have gone to some fancy private school with personal tutors and lots of fancy programs and who had advantages they couldn't access.

Now imagine what would happen if you did this. Suddenly all the schools packed with great students would empty out as the parents took their kids to poorly performing schools so they had a better chance at college admission. People act like segregation and school integration is an issue America dealt with in the past, but we didn't really deal with it at all. We did a little, got things moving in the right direction, then basically stopped trying and claimed we fixed the problem while the communities we live in remain highly segregated which keeps racial minorities trapped in poverty as wealthy whites never interact with them and therefore never hire them to do anything for them and spend money at their businesses. Furthermore, people can gain a bunch of value simply by having the value of their house go up because their neighborhood improves. They sit there and do nothing, but other people move into the neighborhood and start fixing pot holes and weeding the sidewalks and mowing the lawns and painting stuff and hiring security and installing floodlights, and suddenly they have more money because the value of their houses goes up.

In my mind this is an elegant solution to many of the social issues plaguing America. It would get around the affirmative action boogeyman and install a system that people can understand as being fair while having the effect of making it easier for people in underfunded and underperforming districts to get into the top schools and incentivize parents to move from over-performing school districts to underperforming districts which could help reverse the negative effects of white flight on inner city minority communities.
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Hugh Girringhall - Mon, 27 Aug 2018 19:55:51 EST tvXthEG2 No.209433 Reply
>>209429
Wealthy people live in areas near their job. They don't want to move because they can't get paid 100k a yr in the podunk working as a walmart greeter.

Also, this is silly because a lot of colleges in the US are very small. If college was based on 'pure merit' but only based on relative merit, then if they only accept 4k students a year and there are 50k schools in the nation, you're back to where we started.

Putting that aside. IMO two things will happen.
  1. people retire early (ya rite...)
  2. People just find loopholes in your plans, described below

They will simply invent a new school to put their kids in. This can be a private school (probably the easiest to do) or a public one (much harder, but possible) to lower the pool and backdoor around your social engineering plans. This would encourage a lot of balkanization of school systems around wealthy parts of the country, increasing costs.
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Thomas Pisslewell - Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:27:41 EST pdpqZQMH No.209472 Reply
but then you wouldn't be accepting the best qualified students.
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Hannah Goodford - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 01:48:35 EST VhdWon+z No.209487 Reply
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>admission to colleges be based purely on merit, but with a twist: you are compared only to the others at your own school to determine if you qualify for admission to a college rather than comparing you to the whole nation.

Why not just drop the requirement in general and go off the GPA requirements of the school you are applying to. Why should they give a shit about what you "are" in comparison to the rest of your "group."

>your test scores/grades would still be too low to get into the top schools traditionally, under the new system, you would get admission because compared to your peers you did the best and therefore deserve to be in a top school.

The quality of schools is different, not only from state to state but from school to school. The furthest it seems you could push this would be some kind of standardized grading system for the nation. That is to say, you cannot keep adding artificial shit.

> If one school has bad teachers or not enough funding, why should the students suffer? They should be judged against those who had an equal playing field, ie those in their own school rather than those who may have gone to some fancy private school with personal tutors and lots of fancy programs and who had advantages they couldn't access.

The shouldn't suffer the consequences that is true. But that doesn't mean that those that do have the resources should suffer a loss either. Life isn't fair and the best we can do is continue to eliminate those gaps in offerings, textbooks, desks, teachers etc. That's more of a funding thing however.

>Your second paragraph.

It seems to me that you want to create an incentive to get people to relocate in order to get their kids into terrible schools so that they can stand out more and get better chances of getting into school? That's rather strange I think. Would that just make the kids who don't stand out have less chance to succeed? Or learn?

In addition, I don't know why you feel that race is a component of this? There are a great many poor white schools that wouldn't be anymore "integrated" if rich affluent white people took their kids there.

With respect to the perceived economic advantages 1. I don't think your system provides enough incentive to physically relocate. 2. I think that the advantages would be short term assuming that the parents of these students leave once the student has completed their studies to X level.

>In my mind this is an elegant solution to many of the social issues plaguing America. It would get around the affirmative action boogeyman and install a system that people can understand as being fair while having the effect of making it easier for people in underfunded and underperforming districts to get into the top schools and incentivize parents to move from over-performing school districts to underperforming districts which could help reverse the negative effects of white flight on inner city minority communities.

I'm not compelled by your sentiments thus far. Affirmative Action can have it's drawbacks for students, that's true, but otherwise it's a policy matter, not some social battleground, at least as far as I'm concerned.

IF you want to take about an alternative take on education I think we need to completely overhaul how- basically- knowledge is disseminated in society. I don't mean to sound highfalutin but I think that the available options for learning should grow in proportion to the amount of mediums available to spread it.

Peace Man

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- Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:41:08 EST +6idXd9K No.209421
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Why do people hate pot heads? They aren't bad people?
Are people easily brainwashed?
Are people jealous they can't get the good good?
wat is it?
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Fucking Gorringhudge - Wed, 08 Aug 2018 00:38:02 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209426 Reply
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>>209425
>>Weed isnt a lifestyle it shoulf be treated like having a beer.
Yeah people never treat bent out of shape over beer.
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Clara Gecklegold - Mon, 03 Sep 2018 01:19:22 EST 4y8q/jLM No.209435 Reply
>>209426
He's still right.

Junkie level potheads are the equivalent of alcoholics and should be looked at as such. I cant stand people who spend every second of life chasing the next hit, just fucking obsessing over their weed like its the only thing in life that fucking matters.
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Eugene Brubbernane - Tue, 04 Sep 2018 11:39:59 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209439 Reply
>>209435
Notice how Charles put the category of 'chill and friendly' stoners as 'them' and 'enthusiastic unemployed gamers that get stoned way too much' as 'us.' This is what makes me think Charles is mostly talking to himself and that his projection about adopting the 'attitude' of beer drinkers shows he doesn't know beer drinkers in the same way he thinks he knows 'all stoners' (i.e. his personal clique of buddies and whoever he goes and finds to interact with on the internet...probably places that in some way or another specifically attract 'ausitic' individuals like himself.)

skepnihilosopy

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- Sun, 29 Jul 2018 16:02:30 EST m46LHA5y No.209420
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what is value? what the fuck is value? Define value? what the fuck is it? intrisic, extrinsic, objective, subjective allll tauntologies... I did see anybody define value?
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Oliver Clayway - Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:51:42 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209422 Reply
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Everything is subjective and tautological, if you have a problem with that then philosophy is not for you. All knowledge can only be known from a perspective (and thus is subjective, no matter what anyone else may try to tell you) and it is tautological, because all knowledge or even all definition is interdependent on all other knowledge and definition and has no actual base. The human mind is pic related.

So, with that in mind, what the fuck 'value' is is exactly what it appears to be; a quantitative or qualitative representation of the worth or content of something. This duality comes from the fact that the english word value covers a couple of different meanings: to have a certain quality or worth, or to have an associated mathematical quantity. Both are abstractifications of the concept of worth or contents, but those concepts themselves, like all others, are ultimately subjective tautologies.

On the subject of a diety, some nice writing

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- Sat, 14 Jul 2018 19:53:25 EST QsklVX/N No.209407
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At any rate, I found this "message" in a relatively archaic databank and thought some of you might find it of interest. Then again, I'm often either bemused or startled at the items you find interesting. ....................

It's an article about a believable God

http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal
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mika sha - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 14:57:19 EST vEnuppAu No.209414 Reply
>>209409
He didn't say only violent predators are capable of intelligence, he said they die out before reaching the next "stage| of global consciousness as a race
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Hugh Toothood - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 19:25:29 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209415 Reply
>>209414
No, that's the opposite of what is said. I think you need to read it a little more closely.
>>Without exception, intelligent species who gain dominance over their planet do so by becoming the most efficient predators.
>>Unlike the adaptors, who learn the point of cooperation fairly early on, manipulators battle on. And, once all lesser species have been overcome, they are so competitive and predatory that they are compelled to turn in on themselves....r this competition is vital to promote the leap from biological to technological evolution.

You need an arms race in order to make progress.

Your desire to dominate fuels a search for knowledge which the adaptors never acquire.
>>And although your initial desire for knowledge is selfish and destructive, it begins the development of an intellectual self awareness, a form of higher consciousness, which never emerges in any other species.
>> Not even while they are experiencing it, for example, can the intelligent adaptors - your dolphins - express the concepts of Love or Time.
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Hugh Toothood - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 19:26:49 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209416 Reply
>>209415
That said, I think your misunderstanding is much closer to the truth than what this article suggests, which may be why you assumed that is what was meant. Violent competition is important for the success of our species, but cooperation is much more vital and more unique to intelligent life.

Uniqueness & Alienation

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- Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:14:32 EST yG540JtQ No.209363
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"You -- unique! What thought content is here, what sentence content? None! Whoever wants to deduce a precise thought-content of the Unique as if it were a concept, whoever thinks that with "unique" one has said about you what you are, would show that they believe in phrases, because they don't recognize phrases as phrases, and would also show that they seek specific content in phrases.

You, inconceivable and inexpressible, are the phrase content, the phrase owner, the phrase embodied; you are the who, the one of the phrase. In the unique, science can dissolve into life, in which your this becomes who and this who no longer seeks itself in the word, in the Logos, in the attribute.

The unique in Heaven, which Feuerbach places beside the unique on earth, is the phrase without a phrase-owner. The unique considered here is God. This is the thing that guaranteed that religion would last, that it had the unique at least in thought and as a phrase, that it saw it in Heaven. But the heavenly unique is only a unique in which no one has an interest, whereas Feuerbach instead, whether he likes it or not, is interested in Stirner's unique, because he would have to treat it oddly, if he wanted to chase his own unique from his head. If the heavenly unique were one that existed in its own head rather than in Feuerbach's, it would be difficult to chase this unique from its head."

Feuerbach would separate theology from speculative philosophy, finding in it the key to understanding man's uniqueness from nature even though man is a part of nature, anthropology. For "consciousness is given only in the case of a being to whom his species, his mode of being, is necessarily linked with knowledge. This makes consciousness again into something specifically human, because the animal is not capable of knowing. In being conscious, man knows himself as this conscious being: He is to himself an object of thought. But a being who is an object of his thought; a self-knowing being is also an other-knowing being. Because of this span, knowledge has the character of science: 'Science is the consciousness of species.' "

From the introduction of Fiery Brook, Zawar Hanfi distinguishes animal consciousness from human consciousness: "A caterpillar is confined to the world of a caterpillar; it is a limited being, because given its biological constitution, its instinctual pattern, it cannot transcend the boundaries of its limited world. It cannot make objects foreign to its own world -- and its world is its manifest being -- as the objects of its life-activity. There is no such limitation imposed upon the being of man. The self-expression of his being is neither limited to a particular segment, nor to a particular quality of nature."

"The anthropology of Feuerbach posits a correlation between a being and its object. [...] In this sense, the object is expressive of what a being essentially is; the object to which a subject essentially and necessarily relates himself is nothing except the subject's own, but objective being."

Or as Feuerbach puts it: "man's self-consciousness is his consciousness of the object. One knows the man by the object which reflects his being; the object lets his being appear to you; the object is his manifest being, his true, objective ego. This is true not only of intellectual but also of sensuous [material] objects."
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Barnaby Heshfare - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:20:21 EST yG540JtQ No.209397 Reply
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Of the post linked to, in >>209396 about ecopsychology, the quote:
>"To make contact with present reality, however, is also to confront the painful feelings that are masked or numbed-out by our technological mode of living. So learning to collectively bear, find meaning in, and move through the suffering we inevitably uncover in the course of counterpractise is essential."
is supposed to have an endquote " at the end of the second sentence there.

And
>That could be group therapy, carthatic events like shows or protests, to take action, to attend carefully to relationships, symbolic rites of passage through different stages of our lives, and honor the growth or sacred unfolding of things, reconnecting with nature outside (the world) and inside (our self), whatever works and seems right.
is my attempt to summarize suggestions from a few pages with my own skew, which both miss plenty of unknown alternatives, to overcome society's overarching apathetic malaise.
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Phyllis Covingbod - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:17:47 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209401 Reply
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>>209396
>>Are you suggesting biological evolution and/or a technologically augmented human?
Definitely a both/and scenario. Although once we start changing our own genome Darwinian forces will act on us on a higher order, I think ultimately we will become more, rather than less, responsive to it. I think human evolution will definitely eventually go the way of merger with the machine, but one not necessarily need think that to believe that as we evolve we will have to become more integrated with our environment, whether as organic, synthetic, or hybrid beings.

>> many of those societies don't view the world as something to control with the right to subjugate it.
Agreed, however, I think we can also see from the history of interaction between peoples at different modes of production (i.e. between hunter-gatherers and agriculturalists, agriculurtalists and industrialists, etc.) that there is a convergent trend in human societies to an 'othering' mode of consciousness, primarily because of the uni-directional nature of technological progress. Even as pre-linguistic hunter gatherers, we might not have had the idea that we had unlimited right to use the land, but for example we believed often that our use of fire was endorsed divinely, and so spread a technology that (minutely by today's standards, but still measurably) set our species on a collision course with environmental calamity (agriculture and the fertility gods of the fertile crescent and its subsequent collapse being another good example.)

However, clearly some myths are better than other to inculcate positive values. Nature abhors a vacuum, and in a valueless system people will cling to the things that provide the cheapest return on their value reward system. It's the responsibility of people who can see the danger in this to instill a positive value system -- even if it means broaching the icky topic of instilling myths (in the ideological, rather than conspiratorial, sense.)

But definitely not exclusively a western phenomena, agreed. The modern west is just the most egregious example in the most advanced stage of a civilization undergoing this process, which is most likely universal.

>> I've gotten that impression during hallucinogenic experiences
FWIW, (and having had the same myself) people have had similar impressions without the aid of hallucinogens, so hopefully there is some truth to it.

>>Wont there always be a divide of self though? The physical separation of our skin from the environment and nothing more...
For human (as in h. sapiens) consciousness, probably yes, definitely. The experience of separation is intrinsic to the perception of the ego, and is a physical structure of the brain that is always there to eventually bring it back, unless it is somehow permanently destroyed (there are interesting head trauma cases related to this.) However I don't think it is an essential condition of consciousness as such, so I think it is not a universal condition. The fact that you can subdue the awareness of this through phenomena like meditation, or hallucinogens, or head trauma, suggest to me that the perception of the distinct self, while undeniably useful in many circumstances, is just another mental program our brains evolved as a survival mechanism, and that often we are at our best when we can turn that perception off and see our connection with the greater whole.

Nowadays, the best ways of accomplishing that are either societal engineering like you're suggesting, which is always difficult because you're trying to induce a new state of consciousness in society while the old one is still in effect, or are methods only useful briefly and are dangerous or difficult, like drugs or mental techniques. In a future where one can program one's own brain state, through nanomachines or advanced drugs or genetic engineering or whatever, one could still be 'human', and yet have absolute control over that sense of self, rather than being beholden to it more or less as we are in our present state. This will naturally facilitate other improvements (although it carries its own dangers, like everything.)

Still, your general point absolutely stands. Without some kind of intervention, human society will always be subject to the divide of self.

>> carthatic events like shows or protests, to take action, [etc]
I think this will be a key part of the revival of …
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Cyril Wipperfield - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 04:31:20 EST yG540JtQ No.209406 Reply
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>>209401
>Even as pre-linguistic hunter gatherers, we might not have had the idea that we had unlimited right to use the land, but for example we believed often that our use of fire was endorsed divinely, and so spread a technology that (minutely by today's standards, but still measurably) set our species on a collision course with environmental calamity (agriculture and the fertility gods of the fertile crescent and its subsequent collapse being another good example.)
First Nations people used controlled fires to clear brush for growing crops in the wild. Even with technologically limited human people (by our present day standards) specialized and knew how to utilize their environment with the tools available to them, yet had a harmonious understanding of how and why to live as a part of nature.

Collapse is a great book studying past civilizations' factors that led to their calamity. Often it is from a sudden lack unsustaining of a concentration of people. Throughout history civilizations have risen and fallen and within the gaps of knowledge as to why, are many potential reasons. Perhaps revolt, or starvation, and/or migration, certainly a severing of trade (or transportation) of one's necessities.

I'll have to mull over other points, but:
>Nowadays, the best ways of accomplishing that are either societal engineering like you're suggesting, which is always difficult because you're trying to induce a new state of consciousness in society while the old one is still in effect, or are methods only useful briefly and are dangerous or difficult, like drugs or mental techniques.
I think of a heightened state of awareness and altered mode of perspective, or whatever, (sober) in relation to our way of life and other ways of life, is an individual path people choose to follow. Not something you can engineer in people, as if we're not unique with our own realized and unknown self right now. I don't think technology can reveal this awareness or perspective, the same way thinking will.

trans

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- Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:12:24 EST VGeeHEV+ No.209399
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i posted this on /b/ earlier but the thread got locked after a few minutes so i'm coming here

basically i just spent most of yesterday reading articles about transgenderism as a whole

i had a negative perception of the whole thing before but i now realize that the fact that this mess has been allowed to attain the least bit of mainstrean acceptance and credibility is a downright travesty
this is not a medical mistake at the magnitude of lobotomy
it's way worse and if we don't stop this soon thousands of insecure and mentally ill youth will experience a horrible death at the hand of themselves, helped by the legions of psychologists and surgeons who are willing to ignore studies on the subject that very clearly paints a picture of transpeople as having severe psychological problems that will persist even after SRS

before today I thought that it was ok to call transpeople "freaks" and ridicule them
not anymore as i realize doing so would only fuel their movement which i now know has to be stopped at all costs

SRS needs to be banned asap as does transgenderism being classified as anything but the mental illness gender dysphoria

these people (most of whom grow out of this as long as they aren't encouraged to destroy their own bodies) are in dire need of psychiatric help
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Phyllis Covingbod - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:42:25 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209403 Reply
>>209399
Dear low quality troll, you have just demonstrated to yourself how easy it is to radicalize yourself reading propaganda that is designed specifically to radicalize you. This is apparently what you are railing against in others...even though you are admitting it is what you just did to yourself.

>>severe psychological problems that will persist even after SRS
people who have open heart surgery still have severe cardiac problems that persist after surgery. Where do you get this idea that a therapy for a problem removes a problem completely?

>>are in dire need of psychiatric help
As a rule, those who make it to SRS have already received hundreds if not thousands of hours of psychiatric help. They're the ones who recommend the procedure. Maybe you should do some research not from totally biased sources so you can at least know what the fuck you're talking about before you declare your little jihad?

It's a good thing society doesn't turn on your little imaginary crusades, because nothing is going to reverse the state of medical care for trans people, and even political attempts to stall progress are faltering in the 'last, best hope' for close-minded reactionaries, 'Murkur, where shadows fall...
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Cyril Wipperfield - Fri, 13 Jul 2018 03:57:56 EST yG540JtQ No.209405 Reply
>>209399 My sole thought is of all there is to focus on in the world, why this?
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Sophie Beshbedging - Sat, 21 Jul 2018 07:44:15 EST 4+oWREai No.209413 Reply
>>209399
You're stupid. That's the only reply that you deserve. Get lost.

Rape is an equivalent crime to adultery

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- Mon, 02 Jul 2018 20:02:42 EST jcTfBHx5 No.209306
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On a primal psychological and biological level, rape takes away a woman's right to choose the genes of her mate while adultery takes away a man's right to choose who he provides resources for. Most women (and men for that matter) consider raping a woman to be a crime more heinous than murder. Most men consider getting stallioned as their biggest fear. In both cases, these are crimes of an evolutionary nature. It explains why women get so traumatized when they're raped, while it's just standard operating procedure for men in prison. It also explains why men typically seem to care far more about their woman cheating than vice-versa.

Rape has the added element of verbal or physical coercion, that's true. But we already have laws for that: assault and battery. We don't have a separate law for, say, coercing someone to eat a bunch of eggs. The only case in which we do this is when physical threats/violence are used to gain access to a woman's holes because deep down, we all know that is their most valuable possession. Moreover, for all intents and purposes (and in some countries in the actual letter of the law) rape is a crime that can only be perpetrated on women.

Yet look at how adultery is treated in America. It's legal in all 50 states, while rape carries not just legal punishments, but can effectively destroy your entire life if you so much as get accused of this. Consider if the roles were reverse. How would you feel if women got imprisoned for committing rape while a guy who sleeps around just has slightly more streamlined divorce proceedings? Seems silly right?

I'm not saying rape is in any way a good thing. But we need to either bring back the criminal penalties for divorce or remove the penalties for rape (while solidifying the penalties for coercion) because the way it is now simply isn't just.
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Albert Nicklebanks - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 21:30:27 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209360 Reply
>>209359
Essentially, are the majority of rapes rape for it's own ends, or rape for the purpose of inflicting trauma?

I'd be inclined to think the former, as people are more likely to be merely greedy and careless about the boundaries of others than truly sociopathic. But there's probably some concrete data on this.
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Thomas Hammerwater - Sun, 08 Jul 2018 23:28:44 EST ogjfl7YN No.209361 Reply
>>209360
>Essentially, are the majority of rapes rape for it's own ends, or rape for the purpose of inflicting trauma?

Well that's one set of questions, but the other is whether trauma itself is what makes rape difficult to report and get justice for.

I heard the point from Zizek that we authenticate guilt by detail, but we authenticate trauma by lack of detail. Ie, if someone calmly walks through the technical description of what happened to them, we emotionally distrust that narrative. However, if they are so overwhelmed by the experience that they can't even say what happened, there is less evidence to go on.
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Albert Nicklebanks - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 00:33:41 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209362 Reply
>>209361
>>whether trauma itself is what makes rape difficult to report and get justice for.
Possibly, and quite probably, but I'm not sure it would be the biggest contributor to the underreporting -- I imagine that would be shame, and fear that one would not be taken seriously (thus sociological rather than psychological reasons.)

Consider for how much of human history (i.e. to this day in parts of the world) the victim of rape is murdered or otherwise ostracized, and even in the west, how quickly (frequently male) police will go to the 'well what were you wearing? did you lead him on? How many drinks did you have?' angle. Women in particular are socialized to minimize the discomfort of others by taking up as little space as possible, which also certainly contributes both to their lack of being taken seriously and the belief that they won't be taken seriously, a vicious cycle.

It would probably take a very carefully designed and complex study to suss out exactly how much of the underreporting each of these factors contributes to, though.

COLLEGE

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- Fri, 13 Apr 2018 16:34:14 EST YBVc1XtN No.209081
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The US is fucking its economy by putting students in debt to get useless educations.

I don't believe college is worthless, and I even think there's value in the arts and humanities. HOWEVER, at least 3/4 of the colleges in the US are bad or in low standing, so if you get anything other than a technical degree from those schools, it's literally useless.

For example, 8/24 colleges in Colorado have degrees of any value, and 20/84 colleges in Massachusetts are worthwhile.

The United States should only keep open the quarter of its schools that provide valuable degrees in the arts or humanities. The other 3/4 should be shut down, or converted to either technical or trade schools.
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Edward Mollytedge - Thu, 03 May 2018 09:55:24 EST MdrXzUYs No.209170 Reply
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The pursuit of knowledge for the sake of knowledge is a noble cause.

That said we have a serious problem in America where most jobs require a college degree and still don't pay a living wage. Even in the stem field there are plenty of shit pay jobs. And if everyone just switched over to a stem major tomorrow all that would do is run down the wages of stem jobs. That's why silicon valley is pushing coding education so hard, because once everyone learns the basics of coding in middle school, suddenly it's not that unique of a skill.

Education should be free, anyone who works a full week should earn a living wage and rent should be illegal.
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Clara Turveywater - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 19:47:47 EST t87tpTXY No.209288 Reply
>>209170
>Education should be free
>Anyone who works a full week should earn a living wage
>Rent should be illegal

While we're at it...

>Access to medical treatment should be free - US healthcare is double what most other developed countries pay, and yet all other developed countries provide healthcare as a human right
>Loans should be regulated and required by law to be interest-free, as Lybia had made things before we destroyed their country
>Universal Basic Income - all the money goes to the rich, and the wealth gap continues to widen - redistribute the money to the poor masses

And to the prototypical conservative or neoliberal, who would ask, "where is the money going to come from?"...

The DoD's own investigative branch found that $24,000,000,000,000 (trillion) went missing from the US in 2015, enough money to provide all of the shit outlined above for over a decade. Add to that that most of our tax dollars go to crooked subsidies (corn, sugar, oil) and war companies, who encourage genocide in countries like Yemen, and it's clear that the money is available.
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Basil Dennerfoot - Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:11:15 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209291 Reply
>>209288
Add to that the fact that money is a made up human contrivance for coordinating behavior and it's clear. We throw away more food than needed by people starving. We have more unsold houses than homeless people. If we don't even have the capability to feed, clothe, and shelter ourselves, then what is the point of all this excess? The illusory promises of capitalism are slowly killing the planet.

Are we at a turning point?

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- Sun, 29 Apr 2018 17:50:52 EST 4YtPS+TM No.209151
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxv-W4r91LQ&t
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Phineas Wittingfuck - Wed, 09 May 2018 15:47:58 EST Irsa/pK4 No.209190 Reply
>>209186
yeah dude, and if kids have more time to run around in general then they will definitely stil be able to find and meet other kids and form friendships.

when kids are herded together, it reduces the incentive to be sociable, hence technology addiction and all thr stupid habits that go with it.

A number of the coolest motherfuckers in history were home schooled. Kierkegaard for example grew up learning from his dad just looking and walking around Copenhagen.
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Betsy Chankinhood - Sat, 12 May 2018 22:32:55 EST 9Tl5h2ty No.209210 Reply
>>209190
Also the worst of the inept assholes tend to be homeschooled. If your parents are cool and they homeschool you, then fine, but if they are assholes and homeschool you, you dont get the chance of being that one kid in the family who left the westboro baptist church.

Compassion

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- Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:54:41 EST f7VKYGuq No.208552
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Rejecting any and all forms of transgenderism is an act of compassion.

If a person announces they are going to kill themselves, the compassionate action is NOT to allow them to continue. The compassionate action is to prevent them and help them no longer humor that idea. The same for trans individuals. Hormones are a direct assault on one's genetics. That is a slow form a suicide.
Mental illness is to be treated and compassionately guided.
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Molly Drusslechare - Fri, 18 May 2018 11:27:35 EST V8N/5kWg No.209216 Reply
>>209215
>Fucking closet fags. The whole lotta those alt-right neonazi wankers.
Yeah it's no secret anymore just how much of the far right mindset is motivated by sexual pathology.

cuties, gays, stallionoldry, interracial sex, BBC, pimps, MGTOW, PUAs, alpha/beta mentality, obsessing over testosterone levels, fear that soybeans will steal your masculinity, arguing about the age of consent, obsessing over little anime girls, pedo pizza party conspiracies...

It sure is ""suspicious"" how so much of the political animus of these people seems to always come back to weird sexual hangups.
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William Donderkidge - Sat, 26 May 2018 01:33:52 EST ogjfl7YN No.209222 Reply
>>209216
Well, how else would you be able to recruit horny teenage retards who can't get laid?
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Eliza Mirringshit - Mon, 04 Jun 2018 18:27:06 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209280 Reply
>>209275
Hey man, as if it weren't obvious enough that you are trying to troll every thread in this board like the immigrant 4skin scum you are, did you really have to post a variation of the same pic in every one?

It's low energy and depressingly pathetic. Are you low t? I assume so because otherwise your smooth brain would realize that saying "X Ys are Xs now" (femi nazis are nazis now) is so circular it's tautological. Maybe if you weren't such a beta you could see how weak your reasoning is. Plz stay out of the way of the chads actually running the world k thnx bye.

The means of travel influences perspectives

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- Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:26:46 EST blmfRlfa No.208711
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What do ya think? I think the kinds of transportation people use highly influences their perspectives of the world they live in and their relationship with it.

There's a certain malaise to skating through the city, an art to performing tricks. I'm not saying all skaters have the same perspective, that'd be ridiculous to say, there are other experiences that influenced whom that individual is and is becoming.

Drivers see a fast-moving world and only brief impressions of what's going on around them. The Situationists of pre-motorvehicle times surmised the concept of a "derive" as a "rapid passage through varried ambiences" and a kind of drift through their environment, perhaps with a destination in mind, but allowing their selves to be deviated or "drawn by the attractions of the terrain and the encounters they find there."

The Situationists believed their was a psychogeography to our environment, subtle and not-so-subtle influences through sensations (from without) and our feelings and thoughts (from within), and their interrelation. Unlike the idea of drifting, it seems like most drivers travel from point A to point B. They see people also driving in their hunks of metal and/or plastic asides them as obstacles, as annoyances, and yeah occasionally pleasant too. Nonetheless the overarching behaviors and feelings from their interactions within traffic are negative and may transfer over to the times they aren't driving.

I think the Situationists were wrong to say a derive is or has to be rapid. Walking and going on bicycle rides allow for alot more deviation from routine than a car does. (Albeit I'm forgetting the car adventures people can go on, its alot easier to get out of the city with a car than by any other means, and in rural areas you pretty much need a vehicle to get around.) Being a bicyclist as a part of traffic the bicyclist seems to take on a similar mindset as the driver. Though there's a big difference between a "joy-rider" and a "regular commuter".

A major difference between a car and a bicycle is that the driver of a car is surrounded by a ton of steel or whatever, with a motor powered by gas, and the bicyclist maybe wears a helmet and pedals everywhere. Even a seemingly coy person can be aggressive behind the wheel of a vehicle. I think a point of consternation between the avid driver and.bicyclist ra-ra-raing schism is the outspoken and sometimes reckless spirit of bicyclists on the road versus vehicles being potential death-bringers and that there's a lopsided infrastructure that favors vehicles. Perhaps the outspokenness of some bicyclists is to make up for their vulnerability. In a way the bicyclists behavior is a softer variant of how motorcycle gangs sometimes have small ball-bearings hanging from the sides of their handlebars -- to smash a drivers window. Around motorcycles there's a veneer of a wild spirit and something else, (a laughing in the face of death?). Since alot of the early motorcyclists were military veterans from World War II.

Walking in comparison to 20+ MPH is a slugs pace. In a way there is so much more going on in the world to a walker because of the amount of exposure to details going on and a deeper interrelation with what's going on. By taking the bus and light rail a public-transiter is around other people way more. Their still enclosed in a hunk of metal and plastic, but sharing that space with a bunch of other people, with a bus driver sort of regulating what's going on on their bus. On public transit there's still a certain etiquette of interaction socially. With light-rail there's a sorta more of a free-for-all with the operator a buttons' push away! That seems to go well, most of the time...
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Eliza Drogglelare - Thu, 31 May 2018 12:22:27 EST /tjfruPD No.209248 Reply
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Below are some video examples of psychoregional exploration:

London Psychogeography [Euston to Waterloo] https://youtu.be/0WGbOCtns8Y
Derive Final Project [Brazil] https://youtu.be/Bseqv3Y-xQk
Psychogeography (Alfama, Castelo, Mouraria) PARATÍSSIMA LISBOA https://youtu.be/urCTtTySHtw
ESMEGMA JAZZ | Karma coupons for a demanding liver https://youtu.be/-ivnPLVxXTk
From Hill To Sea - Dispatches from the Fife Psychogeographical Collective - 2010-14 https://youtu.be/KozGcZqLo4U
Psychogeography https://youtu.be/CpnG6PLtMME
Cape Town a Psychogeography https://youtu.be/q_Z8abdLPmQ
Alsace. Psychogeography. Wandering through Alsation Space https://youtu.be/l474lVuENyM
Psychogeography Project - MEDS1101 https://youtu.be/xIKe-4AcuzA
Psychogeography [Edmonton] https://youtu.be/h85HdKYby-8
DERIVE 東京 × Tokyo #1 https://youtu.be/4BSdwtoDrOc
Derive Project [Denver, CO] https://youtu.be/W2EV0xCbHSY
Million Mask Psychogeography [London] https://youtu.be/lFEV8UMTHgQ

Group 5 Video essay (Psychogeography and Drifting) https://youtu.be/wU-6N6l0Cn0
Situationism (psychology) - music improvisation https://youtu.be/EPVWCe7fXBU

Moby - Go https://youtu.be/p7Sl0wMz95w
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Hugh Worthingshit - Thu, 31 May 2018 16:23:41 EST uhpIZv0K No.209256 Reply
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I definitely agree. Real estate developers lately have been big on the “psychology of placemaking” and studies are showing that walkable places are better for people’s mental health, particularly older people.

There’s a big aspect of how we see space and its possibilities in modern development. I don’t think people are happy sitting alone in their cars for hours a day and you get something out of going into public and seeing your neighbor.
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Shitting Gassledeg - Fri, 01 Jun 2018 12:11:20 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209259 Reply
My only comment on this topic is that for most of human history the means of transportation directly created the global psychology because it was the speed at which thought itself moved -- when horses were the fastest means of travel, an idea could cross the globe no faster than a horse. Thus the explosion of advancement in speed of transportation technology went along with an explosion in the low latency of the global consciousness.

That is until we get to the age of telecommunication, when our thoughts were enabled to travel faster than we ever physically could. At that point transportation stopped being the primary influencer on psychology, as most mental 'travels' people went on became increasingly through media and not through physical travel. Thus I would suggest looking at how the internet distorts psychology through its role as a 'tele-travel' system, and how such imaginary travels now have a much larger mind-share than their physical journeys, at least for most people. Could this be a source of the modern malaise; we think in fantasy because all we perceive is fantasy and thus we end up becoming imaginary even to ourselves, as we are subconsciously aware that the adventures which influenced our perspectives are themselves false?

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