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The Decline of The West

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- Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:21:07 EST fk7xMmwU No.207331
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I'm in the process of reading pic related and I've been interested in the idea that the West is in terminal decline and will soon collapse for a while now and I'm fairly convinced that The West is basically done. What do you guys think?
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Frederick Nickleridge - Sun, 05 Apr 2020 05:59:15 EST I6irGQRy No.210032 Reply
>>210024
What science ought to be and what it actually is are two very different things though. I think you're right that ideally we would all recognize that the understanding of the world which we can gain through scientific inquiry is inherently limited, but many people don't because the fallibility of science isn't touched on nearly as often as how much better it makes us as a people now that we do science instead of praying and how much smarter we are than all those idiots who lived before us and/or not in the west.

I think the point they're trying to make is that in modernity science has largely taken the place of religion, but it's not equipped to do so. Science concerns questions of the finite whereas faith concerns questions of the infinite, and their methods of inquiry are not fundamentally compatible. So, for instance, instead of looking at statistics merely as a way to inform our decision making, some implicitly see it as a form of divination. They take comfort in the idea one can predict the future, in the exact same way one would from consulting an oracle. They know that doing the latter would be "ignorant" and "superstitious" but still they long for the comfort of certainty and so whether they realise it or not they're projecting this desire into their understanding of the limits of science.
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Frederick Nickleridge - Sun, 05 Apr 2020 06:15:03 EST I6irGQRy No.210033 Reply
>>210025
> All I find from "science is religion" types are attempts to insert batshit crazy shit in as a substitute

I think there's clearly a distinct difference between saying "science is a religion, therefore my religious beliefs are just as objective" and saying "science is a religion, therefore could be just as wrong as any other religion (in some areas) and we should be wary of that as we move forward with it as still basically the best way we know for gaining certain types of knowledge"
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Clara Faddleway - Thu, 07 May 2020 22:44:16 EST AOuUNGAb No.210070 Reply
>>207331
The decline of western civilization is a just a meme.
Why do you give it so much power?
It seems like you want it desperately to be true.
You know no other way to express your imagination.
So that is what you'll get.
Your tunnel vision dooms you.

school

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- Sat, 14 Mar 2020 05:37:08 EST 0E4NAkki No.210015
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The American school system is set up to create mindless worker bees. Modern schooling as we know it started in about 1860 with the start of the industrial revolution in America. At that time a lot of people where moving from rural areas of the USA to urban centers to work in factories. Our schooling was based on the PSchooln style of public education. What was the PSchooln style of public education set up to do? Create soldiers, obedient people who could follow directions. Horace mann, the person responsible for bring this school system to America once famously said “the state is the father of children” The main purpose of any form of public education is to create some social concision between people to have better functioning society. This is fine and dandy but it all went tits up over time. The public schools where set up to train you to wake up go to a building and work. That's it. Your entire scholastic achievements are based on how good you are at working, Working. Working, and working some more. It also served the adults by giving them time away from children so that THEY could work in factories. There are no rewords for not conforming unless of course your not conforming happens to serve the end goal of making workers better. It is easy to think that this was done to be evil or to keep a dumb and complacent populace on its knees. But for the most part this is not the case. It was done out of compassion and incrementally. To spare there children and prepare them for whats to come. A job pushing paper or stacking shit, and to have better social order.

This has had the unfortunate consequence of creating a sheep like group of people that need to wait for permission to say or think ANYTHING, they even need permission to wait. It starts with conforming to the rules of school the bells, the formality's the bureaucratic posses, and formal punishments and rewards. This continues unto college; college is estenatly a totally masochistic exprance. You pay for the privilege to pay some more, Yet you have no say in how you or it is run. You may have not EVEN considered that you SHOULD have a say. Instead You have the “privilege” to pay out the nose for the a institution that doesn't serve you no matter how much the say they do. Your a dollar bill, you are a box stacker, a cog in a greater machine that can not be allowed to chose its own classes, or determine its own conditions of success. they know better trust them.

Who is “they” by they way? Well in this situation they are a bureaucratic mess of professional educators who are over feed idolized dweebs. Who know advanced mathematics or perhaps something less practical and more pompous like political science. But don't know shit about the common porr mans experience which they champion. They are a pretentious cult of nerds who think way to highly of themselves because they have never had there shit pushed in. While the best among them (and this isn't saying much) may be able to intellectually realize and admit these facts. They still lack the clarity and true knowing that comes with having your shit pushed in, by the horrific daily occurrences that happen to the working class. with very few exceptions this is the case in every university in the western world; and the fact of the matter is THEY DO NOT KNOW BETTER, and deep down they know they don't.
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Nathaniel Brepperfuck - Sat, 14 Mar 2020 05:38:39 EST 0E4NAkki No.210016 Reply
When we are young we are privileged by living in comfortable ignorance. We believe are parents truly know everything. That are teachers and elected officials know better then us. We always assume they know what they are doing. At some point during adulthood (hopefully) we realize that this is not the case, and that adults are essetaly grown up children flying by the seat of there pants. In every middle and upper level management office, and on every teachers night stand, in America there are stacks and stacks of books written on how to be a good boss filled with the same hack truisms. It is a 800 million dollar industry that preys on the sinking feeling every non psychotic leader has ever had. The feeling that says “holy fuck I don't have a goddamn clue what the fuck im doing, and I responsible for these kids/Employees?”

So in conclusion is it any wonder why these institutions produce some of the most repugnant socially conservative “liberal” 20 yearolds on earth? Of course these faggots love socialism, of course they are the ones who think the government can take care of them. THEY are the ones who bought into the established system the most! They did there homework, they followed the rules and order for over a decade, during there most formative years. THAT IS WHY THEY SUCCSIDED IN COLLEGE. Where as the actual working class losers and degenerate fucked ups couldn't conform, and thus ended up with a mindset that confuses these rich kids still to this day. Its a complete fucking mystery to them how a poor person could ever vote for trump. So they go with the most simple answer. that they are just dumb rubes who don't know any better. They are left thinking 'Don t they know that “they” know better? Haven't they been sufficiently programmed? Have they not learned to love the structure and order of office life? ' In reality the poor they see themselves championing see them as a adult child normie cog filling his roll in the established order of things. while the poor guy just wants to not pay 1/4 of his money to the government and be left alone. they wont leave him alone, they want all his money because daddy government knows better, and will fix everything. Never stopping to consider all the social structures originally set up to serve industry and the bourgeoisie itself that created your moronic mindset. COMMUNISM IS NOT THE NATRUAL RESULT OF CAPITALISM ITS THE RESULT OF INDUSTRILAZATION. You have been taught all your life to be incompetent, and irresponsible, to rely on those above you for things that are “not your responsibility.” communism is the logical end goal of a industrialized society trained to value production over people. So Its not a surprise at all that this obsession over industry and creating workers would eventually lead to communism. Because the idea of you being anything other then a worker unit, would become less likely with each passing generation of highly specialized workers. That's why they are so disgusted by the idea of the individual, they where sufficiently convinced that it shouldn't exist. Its also worth noting that, before this inevitable and unnatural result of industrialization the idea of communism could of never been considered as anything other then robbery by every other civilization before that. The necessary social training was not put in place. It also strikes me to think that Karl Marx himself was probably among the first victims of the PSchooln style public schooling system, that eventually lead to his deranged philosophy. But bare in mind, once the comie revolution really starts to kick off. It wont be funny anymore, because the truth of what your saying as they sit at there coffee shops sucking down 12 dollar cups of joe, is a lot of death. What will they do with all the people who disagree with them I wonder? Government is government and all government is force, its never going to be the solution. So learn to love liberty, individual sovereignty and realize that if the government is fucked its NOT the Jews, its NOT the rich, its YOU! this is a democracy and you have to be a player. Otherwise people will play for you, and communism is disgusting willful capitulation to the fact, that you'd much rather be told and tell others what they can an cannot do. But the sad result is really the end result is Instead of getting stomped on by companies you will be getting stomped on by a unified infinitely more powerful force. The government.
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Ebenezer Sumbleway - Sun, 03 May 2020 04:08:38 EST ahN/G+D7 No.210061 Reply
>>210015
>understands that the education system is designed to produce complacent workers
>still thinks that sOcIAlIsm bAd GubMEnt
lmao

This t-shirt Ad uses Nazi Swastikas to share Peace, Love and Freedom

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- Sat, 15 Jul 2017 12:32:42 EST 7Y5vwbb4 No.208275
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This video advertises a clothing line which uses redesigned Swastikas as the main theme. Apparently the aim of this Ad is to destroy the stigmatization of the Nazi Swastika connecting the symbol to new meanings: Peace, Love and Freedom. Very interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V0hVmi0C40
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Esther Claystock - Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:00:06 EST 4ququq39 No.210055 Reply
>>208287
pepe was never a hate speech or alt-right symbol though, leftists just associated that symbol with them and, to make leftists angry, they simply started spamming pepe everywhere in extremely offensive contexts. obviously the left sperged out and "officially" recognized it as a hate symbol. the left let the right manipulate them into getting offended and angry. let that sink in. in reality pepe is an innocent symbol, originally not associated with anything, and it was a really popular meme back in the day
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Thomas Giffingshit - Thu, 30 Apr 2020 01:26:52 EST VgefRj+N No.210058 Reply
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>>210055
That's some ridiculous revisionism, pepes fine whatever I don't give a shit, feels good man is from this site anyway, but objectively stealing pepe wasn't an op, you guys were making nazi pepes anyway and then were shocked when people took issue with it, because you're so fucking out of touch that you can't even comprehend why making memes where pepe gasses jews would put people off, you guys think that somehow posting 10 hours a day makes up for the fact most people despise you and that your little moment you guys have had over the past few years is already basically over

who even am I

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- Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:28:27 EST Q9kaYENz No.208281
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I had an interaction with my daughter just now and it spiraled into some sort of existential terror

My son and daughter were in their room supposed to be going to sleep, but I heard her come out of her room and was just coming out to give me a hug.

I didn't react negatively to this - I don't want to say because I'm a nice person - but just because I am the way that I am. You might wonder, why would anyone react negatively to something like that? I don't know. But there are people in the world that would have.

They would have screamed at her for coming out of her room when she's supposed to be in bed, and she would have gone back to bed heartbroken when all she wanted was a hug. And thus the relationship between her and her parent would have been damaged (even further than it probably already would have been).

And when thinking this through, I thought "Well, I sure am glad that I'm not that way." But isn't that strange? I didn't get to decide or choose to be the way that I am. Or at the very least, I didn't choose to be the type of person that chooses to be the way that I am. I just randomly rolled these "stats".

It's horrifying to imagine everything that I could have been.
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Matilda Dirryhall - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 03:59:49 EST HNJfvXnY No.208437 Reply
>>208433

The distinction I think is between a lack of knowledge concerning the mechanics of a physical-causal system and the impossibility of their being a complete physical-causal model of certain systems. I'm not an expert on this though, that's why I say to investigate bell's theorems. The words of the physicist can aid the philosopher in mentally organizing his ontology.
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Barnaby Cungerbudge - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 01:35:49 EST XypP1lD0 No.208445 Reply
>>208406
Oh well it looks like I'm a hard determinist then lol. I don't think I was making a case for free will from an "objective" perspective. But nonetheless I think that thus objective free will is distinct from a subjective one precisely because of our finite nature. That is, we can know objectively or logically that our free will is an illusion but we can never subjectively know that. Does that make sense at all?
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Esther Claystock - Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:02:29 EST 4ququq39 No.210056 Reply
it all really depends on your experiences, and whether you decide to heal whatever trauma you've experienced or not.

The Existence of Whiteness and White People

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- Sat, 19 Aug 2017 01:46:29 EST UIYk/9cB No.208391
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It should be obvious here that this is relevant to the events that occurred in Charlottesville, VA. I'm also assuming that the majority of people here consider themselves white, so it's also relevant in that regard. Also, it might be obvious that I'm not writing from the perspective of a white person. But I think it's worth asking anyway.

My questions are thus: in what way(s) do white people exist? And why does an ethnonationalist project (like the Nazi's, KKK, perhaps the alt-right) depend on a white identity?

Is white a race? An ethnicity? A skin tone? A set of cultural acts?

It seems to me that white people don't really exist for three reasons. One, you can easily substitute a "white" identity with an ethnic one. That is, you can identify yourself as Irish, Scandinavian, German, etc. I think that here, to identify yourself as white is a category mistake.

Second reason is a pragmatic one. Why should we insist on a white identity when so many other identities are better? Why can't you identify as a Starcraft 2 player, a metalhead, a juggalo, a frequent masturbator, etc.? I imagine that telling people that you're white has no reflection as to what you actually do or are. There's no need to hold on to a white identity when there are plenty that more accurately describe your being or group (and ethnicity is included here). Whiteness, in other words, is just an empty signifier.

The third reason is political and relates to the point about whiteness being an empty signifier. I think that it's because whiteness is an empty signifier that groups like the Nazis or the KKK are able to utilize and capitalize on it. Because it is an empty signifier, you can use it to mean whatever you want to mean. You can use the concept of "whiteness" against certain minorities (like the Jews in the case of Nazi Germany, like Mexicans in contemporary US).

This is why, I think, the left and the liberals failed horribly in the last election. The emphasis on the tolerance of minority groups and the fact that there is white privilege and therefore white people need to atone for their sin of being white has produced a political climate where people who identify as white become more radical and more extremist.

Hence it's no wonder that there was the rise of the alt-right and Donald Trump who were able to appeal to those who identified as white, since it was liberals are quick to demand that white people repent for their whiteness. Whiteness here is a trap that you can't get out of, because there's literally nothing you can do about being white except be guilty about it. And those who don't want to feel guilty about it are going to find ways to redeem that identity, such as the case in the alt-right. Now I'm not saying that a project toward greater equality should be abandoned, but I think that in order to get out of the liberal guilt trap of being white, it would be necessary to abandon a white identity.

tl;dr white people don't really exist and reinforcing this identity will only garner more extremist groups like the alt-right
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Archie Gurrystare - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 03:41:57 EST cUbk/tCb No.210012 Reply
>>210011
Johann Friedrich Blumenbach published his classification of races in 1779. So yeah, that's about 200 years and change. Closer to 250. Nowhere in the classical texts does anyone say "there are 5 races. White is one of them, and white is the best because whites come from adam and eve who were space aliens that lived in the caucus mountains."
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Rebecca Beshridge - Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:26:51 EST p+7ufF1/ No.210014 Reply
>>210011
The problem with racial identity isn't that it exists but that people ascribe values to it that they shouldn't. They treat individuals with the generalisations that work on groups and they don't look for the root cause of group trends when they can simply blame race.

That said actualy physical race isn't quite as simple as you think. There are a few traits but no specific genes that make someone a race. Race itself is a generalisation, so in that sense it's subjective. A lot of people are clear cut but it can get murky around the edges. Race as a concept is pretty common but then we've had all sorts of obsolete ideas which have become irrelevant as we have advanced.

Also.

>your mind, body, and spirit will always tied directly to your genes
Making it obvious that racism is a form of woo then? Your mind is the sum of your genes, memes and environmental/circumstantial/historical physical factors, your body is that but without the memes. Take two twins, bash one so hard they're a human vegetable. Their mind is now different, their body will change over time as it gets different nutrition, exercise and exposure to other things as the body can no longer move itself.

What even is spirit?
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Basil Trotforth - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 02:39:57 EST fGHDtkRk No.210019 Reply
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>>210014
it took me way too long to realize you were replying to that other dude through me because his posts were deleted lmao

Which is good, because like I said in my other post, this isn't an "open market place of ideas" here

nb

Gen Z and the future of social liberties

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- Sun, 29 Dec 2019 20:33:43 EST fGHDtkRk No.209898
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https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/01/17/generation-z-looks-a-lot-like-millennials-on-key-social-and-political-issues/

I just thought this was interesting and completely contradicts the prevailing notion I see in some places that our generation is somehow more "right-leaning" or "conservative" than millenials. I think there is this weird tiny but vocal clique among extremely online Gen-Zers (which is a relatively small clique in and of itself) that are people at various stages of falling down the alt-right pipeline. Call it the "PewDiePipeline" if you really want to piss these people off, because he's a spotless victim of the ebil newspapers that have the audacity to report the things he says and does

But mentioning that, it is a little concerning that one of the most popular personalities on one of the most popular platforms among generation Z is a guy that keeps coming closer and closer to flirting with outright, unironic, fascism. That said, I don't think most of his kid fan base gives a shit, they just want to see the funny screaming swedish man, but they might internalize enough of what he says that they start to believe the garbage he peddles. He unironically told his 50 million subscribers to read 12 Rules for Life lmao, oh and there's the whole wearing an iron cross on a video where you announce you're rescinding a donation to an anti-hate organization, and the whole "death to all Jews" but it's actually a really funny joke xd, and following people like Stefan Molyneux and Millenial Woes on Twitter, and defending Jon Tron, and a bunch of other gaffs).

But I mean, his fans and YouTube reply guys in general are let's say not the most socially successful among us. So I really don't know how much influence the things they believe has on the real world.

And at the same time, more liberal personalities are coming to the forefront on a website that has historically had an undeniably reactionary user base. And despite the inherent contradictions of it, most of the "right-wing" Gen-zers still don't give a shit about race, gender or gender identity, sexuality, because they were brought up in a way where none of these things were even presented as contentious issues, shitty attack helicopter jokes not withstanding

So, are the kids alright?

Being 22 I am one, albeit on the older end that mostly rejects the title (personally I love my generation, and identify far more with them than millenials) but i have a very carefully selected social circle so i can't possibly have an unbiased opinion, most of the people I know are on the far Left, I just encircled myself with like-minded people because there's no reason not to in this day and age, but I try to get a feel for what people think as a whole, because that ultimately affects my human rights as a (currently) protected minority
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Edwin Trotdock - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 19:01:29 EST fGHDtkRk No.209977 Reply
>>209972
the trajectory indicated by the study I posted and almost all other public opinion survey's would seem to imply the opposite, even if some of the respondents are only saying what they know they're "supposed to", think about that for a second, how powerful of an impulse that is that people feel compelled to lie on anonymous surveys, there is no way not to internalize that to some extent, and the kids being brought up today are being brought up in such a way that this isn't seen as a contentious issue, there is no alternative narrative, you're seen as standing in opposition to objective reality, which you are

people are waking up alright, be honest with yourself, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows :)
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Sidney Dronkinham - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:22:11 EST 8gq7GAVV No.209986 Reply
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>>209972
You need to fuck off back to 4chan, cocksucking faggot.
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Albert Blatherbury - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 03:22:33 EST fGHDtkRk No.210010 Reply
>>210006
>it's not too late for you

You're right it's not, it is for you though fortunately

Family

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- Wed, 08 Mar 2017 10:30:15 EST 54PBc7Id No.207850
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What's up with family? What's up with heritage?
These things mean literally nothing to me, yet I notice so many people championing these things. Why do they do this?
Family is a group of people you share genetics with, who you have no choice of selecting, and heritage is people/events that have happened long in the past that you may be connected to genetically.
I don't understand the point in being proud of your heritage; you had nothing to do with it. I don't understand the point of being proud of your family; they're not you, nor are they people you've chosen to have in your life. And I don't understand the point of loving people simply because you share a genetic bond; there's nothing special about my genetics or anyone's genetics, really.

So what's up with this stuff? Why is it so significant to people?
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John Bardstock - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:15:33 EST fGHDtkRk No.210002 Reply
>>210001
>because it helps us to know the history of a place and the people who live there

why does that matter though?
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Fanny Blytheford - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 05:45:48 EST IkYNq9wW No.210003 Reply
>>210002
There is the property thing which I mentioned earlier. In many parts of the world, property is inherited, passed on from elders to their descendents. On a more personal level, understanding the family tree can also provide insights into our immediate family members and ourselves. My grandmother is a refugee of the Korean war, and is very clearly living with some extreme PTSD leftover from surviving that situation. She passed on a lot of that trauma to my father by abusing him psychologically, gaslighting, abandoning, etc. Now he's bringing that into my life, and I am trying to end the cycle. Basically the present situation is far easier for me to navigate, since I know who my mum and dad's parents are, as such gives me insights into their unresolved childhood traumas.

As for my ancestors further back, they are the world to me. Literally. When the body breaks down, it doesnt just evaporate out of existence, it gets carried off into the air land and sea by natural forces. I hear them in the roaring waves, the sound of lightning. Death is just a parlor trick. We are always connected.
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Graham Snodforth - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 14:20:26 EST p+7ufF1/ No.210004 Reply
>>210003
>property is inherited, passed on from elders to their descendents
There's people who think that people having a huge advantage in life because hundreds of years ago someone said "this is mine" or killed some people to get shit while in your country people can't afford food and shelter while working full time is a bad thing though.

Taking credit or pride in things you didn't do is dumb. Family does give you a nice sense of history, how you ended up here I agree. But nationalism is stupid. Once it was tribes, then city states. But the truth is when you get past cultural baggage we're all pretty similar. National history is rarely complete and what we get is actually often incomplete to the point it's misleading. Even in the US where it's pretty short and relatively recent and well recorded you don't get the whole story. And then you either cover a poorly recorded history of the Americans or Europeans history which is a mess of different things going on.

Knowing a story about how my country suddenly an empire somehow lots of resources slaves and the industrial revolution happened first is nice but it doesn't actually affect the reality of what so many people did. If we just say "it's the stories that matter" we erase the actions of people. But yet everyone has contributed, even if it's just by being there and doing their thing and thus allowing something else to happen, society has always been a complicated system made of more parts than we can comprehend. Our continuum isn't history, it's the results of our actions. When I die I would like to be remembered, but I'd like to think I had a net positive effect on the world and that reverberated, even if subtle tiny ways for years. And a lot of people did that for us but they were nobody the seamstress and no one the factory worker or they were MP on some constituency no one remembers but voted to change the law along with a bunch of others or they died stalling fascism for a good 70 years ish.

postmodernism / post structuralism

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- Sun, 23 Feb 2020 18:13:38 EST 3DvIxtfG No.209965
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hello. I am mostly a theology and aesthetics person but I am getting deeper into modern philosophy and have a few questions.

A) why are most (all?) of the post modern and post structuralist philosophers I'm looking into viewed as marxist or as part of the larger domain of Marxism? I can't really make the connection between their ideas and Marx.

B) if I was interested in the connection between post-modernism / post structuralism and theology or aesthetics (obviously different fields), is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

I'd appreciate any insight here a ton. honestly any youtube stuff would be great because i can watch or listen to videos while working but have to cram in reading which gets difficult.
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Sidney Dronkinham - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:24:13 EST 8gq7GAVV No.209988 Reply
Marxism is the core of any contemporary philosophy, since even anti-marxist philosophy is shaped in such an extreme degree by marxist philosophy, it ends up a part of it.

Basically, Marx is so good at his job, EVERY contemporary philosophy has to run by him. Like Plato for antiquity philosophy.
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Edwin Trotdock - Sun, 01 Mar 2020 00:14:47 EST fGHDtkRk No.209992 Reply
>>209988
post-modernism largely rejects dialectical materialism, it's as influenced by Marx as it is by Plato, that is to say, clearly to some extent, but by no means is it a continuation of Marxism

With anti black racism on the rise in europe

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- Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:59:35 EST S2IQKx6v No.209948
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What's next?
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James Tootman - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 18:54:29 EST fGHDtkRk No.209976 Reply
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>>209974
how does it feel to know that no matter how mad you get online nothing will change this trajectory and that in 100 years people like you will be a bad memory?
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Esther Chonderwell - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:20:26 EST kBvj4hT4 No.209984 Reply
>>209981
Racists, uncle thomas. Racists.
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Edwin Trotdock - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 23:57:49 EST fGHDtkRk No.209990 Reply
>>209981
>racist, transphobic homosexual with a thing for people of color

milo is that you

Free College In The USA

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- Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:28:10 EST qum7+esS No.209429
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What if you could make college free and then make admission to colleges be based purely on merit, but with a twist: you are compared only to the others at your own school to determine if you qualify for admission to a college rather than comparing you to the whole nation. Say you get the top scores and grades on your tests in your high school, but for national averages, your test scores/grades would still be too low to get into the top schools traditionally, under the new system, you would get admission because compared to your peers you did the best and therefore deserve to be in a top school. If one school has bad teachers or not enough funding, why should the students suffer? They should be judged against those who had an equal playing field, ie those in their own school rather than those who may have gone to some fancy private school with personal tutors and lots of fancy programs and who had advantages they couldn't access.

Now imagine what would happen if you did this. Suddenly all the schools packed with great students would empty out as the parents took their kids to poorly performing schools so they had a better chance at college admission. People act like segregation and school integration is an issue America dealt with in the past, but we didn't really deal with it at all. We did a little, got things moving in the right direction, then basically stopped trying and claimed we fixed the problem while the communities we live in remain highly segregated which keeps racial minorities trapped in poverty as wealthy whites never interact with them and therefore never hire them to do anything for them and spend money at their businesses. Furthermore, people can gain a bunch of value simply by having the value of their house go up because their neighborhood improves. They sit there and do nothing, but other people move into the neighborhood and start fixing pot holes and weeding the sidewalks and mowing the lawns and painting stuff and hiring security and installing floodlights, and suddenly they have more money because the value of their houses goes up.

In my mind this is an elegant solution to many of the social issues plaguing America. It would get around the affirmative action boogeyman and install a system that people can understand as being fair while having the effect of making it easier for people in underfunded and underperforming districts to get into the top schools and incentivize parents to move from over-performing school districts to underperforming districts which could help reverse the negative effects of white flight on inner city minority communities.
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Betsy Blovingstodging - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 22:28:44 EST 6EHvdHby No.209960 Reply
>>209429
>Now imagine what would happen if you did this

mismatch would happen to an even greater scale then what we're already seeing with affirmative action. students will continue to drop out do to mismatch. minorities will suffer even worse than they already under well meaning but flawed affirmative action.

the problem isn't access to elite universities, there are plenty of great affordable universities out there.
minorities don't need 'compete' with yuppies whoes grades are more dependant on their parents donations than academic performance.

the mindset that these universities are somehow better because spoiled yuppies attend is the problem.

do you know Ivy status is sports characterization not an academic one?

furthur more it's not just attendance of overpriced yuppie universites thats the problem but the college system in general. if you really want change we need to go back to when it was perfectly reasonable to get a job/apprenticeship right out of highschool learn by doing not by sitting in some classroom.
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George Peshbire - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 12:53:31 EST 97spaKrr No.209962 Reply
>>209960
>whoes grades are more dependant on their parents donations than academic performance.
Things like diet and environment can affect grades too.

I mean I get OP here it's better than affirmative action in a lot of ways but really you want to cure the problem instead of just putting hacks in to conceal it. Why should some schools be that much worse? That's not something you can easily fix and it'll take time but it's also the REAL solution.
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Edwin Trotdock - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 19:04:11 EST fGHDtkRk No.209978 Reply
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>>209973
>You can literally just read books

why don't you practice what you preach?

On Good and Evil

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- Thu, 09 Jan 2020 12:22:07 EST 65NWSo4c No.209912
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Do "evil" people think they are evil, or that they are doing good? Seems to me you'd find more good people calling themselves evil than evil people calling themselves evil. This is assuming good and evil could even be "objective" states in the first place.

Idk, thread about Good and Evil I guess.
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Charles Humblehatch - Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:24:09 EST hcOExBer No.209951 Reply
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>>209949
But isn't there a near-universal line to cross which defaults as bad no matter what? Is it possible for an action to be objectively bad despite an individual's subjectivity?
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Edwin Dinnerwat - Wed, 12 Feb 2020 02:39:34 EST cUbk/tCb No.209954 Reply
>>209951
This is a stupid question and you're wasting your time. Try to find new ways of thinking this one's a dead end.

You ever feel like society is the problem?

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- Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:04:23 EST pdpqZQMH No.209470
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not some aspect of it, but civilization itself? Has anything since prior to the advent of agriculture had a net positive effect on society? agriculture lead to division of labor, class, and status. People were happier when they were still nomadic.

I know we can't go back, because we are addicted now, but can we at least admit civilization was a mistake?
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Charles Perringfoot - Tue, 12 Nov 2019 00:49:35 EST FX34H2LL No.209832 Reply
>>209826
This isn't a Nature/Nature thing, mah dude.

This thread, is about "society," see OP, more specifically it's about the nature of civilization and how people interact with it. Implicitly it's a political question of how you set of a society/civilization. What I'm talking about with "Human Nature" is an inherently political notion of how groups of individuals act in relation to each other in a civilization.

Nature v Nuture, is not that, it's a genes/environment notion. Which is more apt for a thread related specifically to that dichotomy. I mean, no offense, but either have an argument or not man, up to you. Also, and this is a minor thing, something can be "simple" to conceptualize, but be "complex" in operation/any subsequent analysis. So don't fall into that silliness.

nb
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Graham Gezzlepark - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:21:30 EST hcOExBer No.209844 Reply
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Different societies interact differently depending on the structure of the society and the ways of life -- however promoted and encouraged, by how people organize themselves (relate to each other) and how decisions are made. So there isn't one answer to the question of "how civilization functions and why" because there's a plurality of means practiced by humanity.

<<< Please cast your eyes to Exhibit A, a diagram of Kowloon Walled City in Hong Kong. It was bull dozed by the government in 1993.
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Thomas Blackham - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 19:44:26 EST xShoB9+Q No.209950 Reply
>>209470


What makes you think some particular ape creatures experiencing some particular sentiment at some particular time is, in itself, the measure of the good?

If you have creatures that are pleased by participation in forms that bring greater potency, naturally they will predominate over other creatures whose modes of thought are less fitted with such.

public (pseudo)intellectuals

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- Sat, 01 Jun 2019 00:07:37 EST I6irGQRy No.209678
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anyone else really fucking hate this guy? also what is it with 3rd rate psychologists suddenly becoming revered as these gurus because they tell basement dwellers basic fucking common sense wrapped up in these political messages that are exactly what they want to hear?
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Hedda Gocklespear - Sun, 02 Feb 2020 22:46:16 EST okIBfjTP No.209940 Reply
Interesting to update this thread. Since the start:
  1. Peterson came out that he was in Klonopin hole for most of his rise to fame.
  2. Rogan interviewed Yang and Sanders then refused to interview anyone else and endorsed Sanders.
  3. Jeffery Epstein was murdered.
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Thomas Chammerchone - Sun, 02 Feb 2020 23:17:30 EST fGHDtkRk No.209941 Reply
>>209940
Jeffery Epstein's body double was murdered you mean to say. The real Epstein is living large in South America

Schools turned into psychic-wards

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- Fri, 28 Jul 2017 05:24:38 EST wN9L5jv0 No.208300
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What the fuck is wrong with children at schools nowadays?!

It turned really to the worse!

Learned it the hard way during an internship:

Children don't learn any essential behavioral patterns anymore. 90% are getting their educational input by some arsehole youtuber and the parents just don't care.

So the teacher has too often the role of educating these hellspawns in basic social-skills!

Too often I hear stupid parents say shit like "we were bad in school too! We did also pull pranks and were disrespectfull" (best if done in hearing-range of their hellspawn!)

but I dare you to visit a regular school or Campus these days: There is a difference between smoking in secret at the restrooms or attacking teachers with scissors (and beeing a disrespectful cunt in general)
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Frederick Callybanks - Sun, 29 Dec 2019 13:20:00 EST +41UFqoX No.209896 Reply
>>209861
>le dead chan may may


>>208613
I know a teacher who says you're not allowed to require homework anymore nor give grades for it and all other grading is done on a 1-2-3 scale instead of number or letter grades. Literally not even writing your name on a test gets you a 1. Passing is a 2 or 3. Granted this is k-5. They still use number grades around here in 6-12.

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