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- Mon, 04 May 2020 20:27:01 EST UL375cts No.210067
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all of reality is a prison. the question is, whats outside this prison? the thing that made it is something way beyond us.
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Ebenezer Brendlebanks - Sun, 17 May 2020 15:03:24 EST UcZcOgV6 No.210117 Reply
>>210109
I never did fully understand that puppet show's point or how that could relate to modern times
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Polly Toothall - Sun, 17 May 2020 18:43:17 EST p+7ufF1/ No.210118 Reply
>>210117
Now that we know how our sense and mind work it actually sense in a different more literal context.

A cloud of particles resists me being pulled through it by gravity. I feel that resistance and my eyes, 2 little points receive some photons. I see a chair. I don't see the particles. I see a solid object. That's fine for my purposes but it's just a simplified shadow. We build the entire universe up out of a tiny window of perception using a mix of the stuff built into our brain and the stuff we learned through the tiny window. We see a tiny bit of the electro magnetic spectrum and hear a few frequences. There are things too big and too small for us to process with our sensory apparatus properly. Distances and speeds both too big and too small.
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Graham Chuddlefock - Mon, 18 May 2020 05:39:53 EST hcOExBer No.210120 Reply
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>>210118
Wow, that's a pretty nice and informative summation. The bounds of our perception are not only limiting by what we sense (or don't), our body and dna, but also by our interpretations informing by our identities, experiences, cultures, and what-have-you. Our journey as I expect all life is is approaching an ever-receding horizon.

Imagine the gulf between human interpretation and all other animals on earth, similarly in comparison to plant-life, to bacteria, and imagine the gulf humans must have with perhaps other "higher" life-forms.

Still, despite our bodily limitations there's plenty of different interpretations which constantly inform us reciprocally. Hence ancient teachings around martial arts or shamanism or metaphysical understandings or spirituality and faith. Science has not yet approached explanations for magic or extraordinary feats, nor understood the inner workings of the brain and the powers of belief.

am I a naturalist

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- Thu, 12 Mar 2020 23:17:05 EST xomjeV0u No.210013
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I don't think the modern world is natural since we've been detrimental to nature through drowning it in plastics, 5g causing cancer, animals going extinct every day etc. does that make me a hardcore naturalist?
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Clara Faddleway - Thu, 07 May 2020 22:47:22 EST AOuUNGAb No.210071 Reply
>>210013
Nature existed before man.
Then man arrived on the scene.
In our mind we divided nature into that which is natural and that which is unnatural.
Two opposites that describe the same thing.
A tree is of nature, so everything it does is natural.
But a man is for some reason not invited to this group?
If man is from nature, then the actions of man are natural.
Yet the actions of man seem unnatural.
Is man from nature?
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Clara Faddleway - Thu, 07 May 2020 22:50:51 EST AOuUNGAb No.210072 Reply
>>210013
Leave a slug and a potato to do their thing and they won't be able to extract oil from the earth, then refine it and recombine its components into polystyrene. If somehow plastic occurred without the intervention of man, we wouldn't be bothered.
But because man is for some reason separate from nature, any action we do is unnatural. The plastic we made by combining resources that God has provided are somehow evil because it required intricate observation and logic and precision chemistry to create?
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Clara Faddleway - Thu, 07 May 2020 22:54:09 EST AOuUNGAb No.210073 Reply
>>210013
The physical body, given to man from nature, is limited and stupid, like the rest of nature. No wonder the human body tissues cannot tolerate concentrated 6Ghz - 100Ghz radio waves without becoming cancerous. Stupid limited flesh in need of the improvement of man. Once again, man must do everything for nature.

The Decline of The West

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- Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:21:07 EST fk7xMmwU No.207331
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I'm in the process of reading pic related and I've been interested in the idea that the West is in terminal decline and will soon collapse for a while now and I'm fairly convinced that The West is basically done. What do you guys think?
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Frederick Nickleridge - Sun, 05 Apr 2020 05:59:15 EST I6irGQRy No.210032 Reply
>>210024
What science ought to be and what it actually is are two very different things though. I think you're right that ideally we would all recognize that the understanding of the world which we can gain through scientific inquiry is inherently limited, but many people don't because the fallibility of science isn't touched on nearly as often as how much better it makes us as a people now that we do science instead of praying and how much smarter we are than all those idiots who lived before us and/or not in the west.

I think the point they're trying to make is that in modernity science has largely taken the place of religion, but it's not equipped to do so. Science concerns questions of the finite whereas faith concerns questions of the infinite, and their methods of inquiry are not fundamentally compatible. So, for instance, instead of looking at statistics merely as a way to inform our decision making, some implicitly see it as a form of divination. They take comfort in the idea one can predict the future, in the exact same way one would from consulting an oracle. They know that doing the latter would be "ignorant" and "superstitious" but still they long for the comfort of certainty and so whether they realise it or not they're projecting this desire into their understanding of the limits of science.
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Frederick Nickleridge - Sun, 05 Apr 2020 06:15:03 EST I6irGQRy No.210033 Reply
>>210025
> All I find from "science is religion" types are attempts to insert batshit crazy shit in as a substitute

I think there's clearly a distinct difference between saying "science is a religion, therefore my religious beliefs are just as objective" and saying "science is a religion, therefore could be just as wrong as any other religion (in some areas) and we should be wary of that as we move forward with it as still basically the best way we know for gaining certain types of knowledge"
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Clara Faddleway - Thu, 07 May 2020 22:44:16 EST AOuUNGAb No.210070 Reply
>>207331
The decline of western civilization is a just a meme.
Why do you give it so much power?
It seems like you want it desperately to be true.
You know no other way to express your imagination.
So that is what you'll get.
Your tunnel vision dooms you.

school

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- Sat, 14 Mar 2020 05:37:08 EST 0E4NAkki No.210015
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The American school system is set up to create mindless worker bees. Modern schooling as we know it started in about 1860 with the start of the industrial revolution in America. At that time a lot of people where moving from rural areas of the USA to urban centers to work in factories. Our schooling was based on the Prussian style of public education. What was the Prussian style of public education set up to do? Create soldiers, obedient people who could follow directions. Horace mann, the person responsible for bring this school system to America once famously said “the state is the father of children” The main purpose of any form of public education is to create some social concision between people to have better functioning society. This is fine and dandy but it all went tits up over time. The public schools where set up to train you to wake up go to a building and work. That's it. Your entire scholastic achievements are based on how good you are at working, Working. Working, and working some more. It also served the adults by giving them time away from children so that THEY could work in factories. There are no rewords for not conforming unless of course your not conforming happens to serve the end goal of making workers better. It is easy to think that this was done to be evil or to keep a dumb and complacent populace on its knees. But for the most part this is not the case. It was done out of compassion and incrementally. To spare there children and prepare them for whats to come. A job pushing paper or stacking shit, and to have better social order.

This has had the unfortunate consequence of creating a sheep like group of people that need to wait for permission to say or think ANYTHING, they even need permission to wait. It starts with conforming to the rules of school the bells, the formality's the bureaucratic posses, and formal punishments and rewards. This continues unto college; college is estenatly a totally masochistic exprance. You pay for the privilege to pay some more, Yet you have no say in how you or it is run. You may have not EVEN considered that you SHOULD have a say. Instead You have the “privilege” to pay out the nose for the a institution that doesn't serve you no matter how much the say they do. Your a dollar bill, you are a box stacker, a cog in a greater machine that can not be allowed to chose its own classes, or determine its own conditions of success. they know better trust them.

Who is “they” by they way? Well in this situation they are a bureaucratic mess of professional educators who are over feed idolized dweebs. Who know advanced mathematics or perhaps something less practical and more pompous like political science. But don't know shit about the common porr mans experience which they champion. They are a pretentious cult of nerds who think way to highly of themselves because they have never had there shit pushed in. While the best among them (and this isn't saying much) may be able to intellectually realize and admit these facts. They still lack the clarity and true knowing that comes with having your shit pushed in, by the horrific daily occurrences that happen to the working class. with very few exceptions this is the case in every university in the western world; and the fact of the matter is THEY DO NOT KNOW BETTER, and deep down they know they don't.
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Nathaniel Brepperfuck - Sat, 14 Mar 2020 05:38:39 EST 0E4NAkki No.210016 Reply
When we are young we are privileged by living in comfortable ignorance. We believe are parents truly know everything. That are teachers and elected officials know better then us. We always assume they know what they are doing. At some point during adulthood (hopefully) we realize that this is not the case, and that adults are essetaly grown up children flying by the seat of there pants. In every middle and upper level management office, and on every teachers night stand, in America there are stacks and stacks of books written on how to be a good boss filled with the same hack truisms. It is a 800 million dollar industry that preys on the sinking feeling every non psychotic leader has ever had. The feeling that says “holy fuck I don't have a goddamn clue what the fuck im doing, and I responsible for these kids/Employees?”

So in conclusion is it any wonder why these institutions produce some of the most repugnant socially conservative “liberal” 20 yearolds on earth? Of course these faggots love socialism, of course they are the ones who think the government can take care of them. THEY are the ones who bought into the established system the most! They did there homework, they followed the rules and order for over a decade, during there most formative years. THAT IS WHY THEY SUCCSIDED IN COLLEGE. Where as the actual working class losers and degenerate fucked ups couldn't conform, and thus ended up with a mindset that confuses these rich kids still to this day. Its a complete fucking mystery to them how a poor person could ever vote for trump. So they go with the most simple answer. that they are just dumb rubes who don't know any better. They are left thinking 'Don t they know that “they” know better? Haven't they been sufficiently programmed? Have they not learned to love the structure and order of office life? ' In reality the poor they see themselves championing see them as a adult child normie cog filling his roll in the established order of things. while the poor guy just wants to not pay 1/4 of his money to the government and be left alone. they wont leave him alone, they want all his money because daddy government knows better, and will fix everything. Never stopping to consider all the social structures originally set up to serve industry and the bourgeoisie itself that created your moronic mindset. COMMUNISM IS NOT THE NATRUAL RESULT OF CAPITALISM ITS THE RESULT OF INDUSTRILAZATION. You have been taught all your life to be incompetent, and irresponsible, to rely on those above you for things that are “not your responsibility.” communism is the logical end goal of a industrialized society trained to value production over people. So Its not a surprise at all that this obsession over industry and creating workers would eventually lead to communism. Because the idea of you being anything other then a worker unit, would become less likely with each passing generation of highly specialized workers. That's why they are so disgusted by the idea of the individual, they where sufficiently convinced that it shouldn't exist. Its also worth noting that, before this inevitable and unnatural result of industrialization the idea of communism could of never been considered as anything other then robbery by every other civilization before that. The necessary social training was not put in place. It also strikes me to think that Karl Marx himself was probably among the first victims of the Prussian style public schooling system, that eventually lead to his deranged philosophy. But bare in mind, once the comie revolution really starts to kick off. It wont be funny anymore, because the truth of what your saying as they sit at there coffee shops sucking down 12 dollar cups of joe, is a lot of death. What will they do with all the people who disagree with them I wonder? Government is government and all government is force, its never going to be the solution. So learn to love liberty, individual sovereignty and realize that if the government is fucked its NOT the Jews, its NOT the rich, its YOU! this is a democracy and you have to be a player. Otherwise people will play for you, and communism is disgusting willful capitulation to the fact, that you'd much rather be told and tell others what they can an cannot do. But the sad result is really the end result is Instead of getting stomped on by companies you will be getting stomped on by a unified infinitely more powerful force. The government.


“when fascism comes to America it will not be in brown and black shirts, it will not be in jack boots. It will be in Nike sneakers and smiley shirts.”

your social justice and “progressive” policies are the new way the powerful get more power, when burger king, and every late night millionaire starts making subtle nods to your ideas its time to start asking yourself some serious questions.
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Ebenezer Sumbleway - Sun, 03 May 2020 04:08:38 EST ahN/G+D7 No.210061 Reply
>>210015
>understands that the education system is designed to produce complacent workers
>still thinks that sOcIAlIsm bAd GubMEnt
lmao

who even am I

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- Tue, 18 Jul 2017 22:28:27 EST Q9kaYENz No.208281
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I had an interaction with my daughter just now and it spiraled into some sort of existential terror

My son and daughter were in their room supposed to be going to sleep, but I heard her come out of her room and was just coming out to give me a hug.

I didn't react negatively to this - I don't want to say because I'm a nice person - but just because I am the way that I am. You might wonder, why would anyone react negatively to something like that? I don't know. But there are people in the world that would have.

They would have screamed at her for coming out of her room when she's supposed to be in bed, and she would have gone back to bed heartbroken when all she wanted was a hug. And thus the relationship between her and her parent would have been damaged (even further than it probably already would have been).

And when thinking this through, I thought "Well, I sure am glad that I'm not that way." But isn't that strange? I didn't get to decide or choose to be the way that I am. Or at the very least, I didn't choose to be the type of person that chooses to be the way that I am. I just randomly rolled these "stats".

It's horrifying to imagine everything that I could have been.
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Matilda Dirryhall - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 03:59:49 EST HNJfvXnY No.208437 Reply
>>208433

The distinction I think is between a lack of knowledge concerning the mechanics of a physical-causal system and the impossibility of their being a complete physical-causal model of certain systems. I'm not an expert on this though, that's why I say to investigate bell's theorems. The words of the physicist can aid the philosopher in mentally organizing his ontology.
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Barnaby Cungerbudge - Fri, 29 Sep 2017 01:35:49 EST XypP1lD0 No.208445 Reply
>>208406
Oh well it looks like I'm a hard determinist then lol. I don't think I was making a case for free will from an "objective" perspective. But nonetheless I think that thus objective free will is distinct from a subjective one precisely because of our finite nature. That is, we can know objectively or logically that our free will is an illusion but we can never subjectively know that. Does that make sense at all?
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Esther Claystock - Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:02:29 EST 4ququq39 No.210056 Reply
it all really depends on your experiences, and whether you decide to heal whatever trauma you've experienced or not.

Family

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- Wed, 08 Mar 2017 10:30:15 EST 54PBc7Id No.207850
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What's up with family? What's up with heritage?
These things mean literally nothing to me, yet I notice so many people championing these things. Why do they do this?
Family is a group of people you share genetics with, who you have no choice of selecting, and heritage is people/events that have happened long in the past that you may be connected to genetically.
I don't understand the point in being proud of your heritage; you had nothing to do with it. I don't understand the point of being proud of your family; they're not you, nor are they people you've chosen to have in your life. And I don't understand the point of loving people simply because you share a genetic bond; there's nothing special about my genetics or anyone's genetics, really.

So what's up with this stuff? Why is it so significant to people?
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John Bardstock - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:15:33 EST fGHDtkRk No.210002 Reply
>>210001
>because it helps us to know the history of a place and the people who live there

why does that matter though?
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Fanny Blytheford - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 05:45:48 EST IkYNq9wW No.210003 Reply
>>210002
There is the property thing which I mentioned earlier. In many parts of the world, property is inherited, passed on from elders to their descendents. On a more personal level, understanding the family tree can also provide insights into our immediate family members and ourselves. My grandmother is a refugee of the Korean war, and is very clearly living with some extreme PTSD leftover from surviving that situation. She passed on a lot of that trauma to my father by abusing him psychologically, gaslighting, abandoning, etc. Now he's bringing that into my life, and I am trying to end the cycle. Basically the present situation is far easier for me to navigate, since I know who my mum and dad's parents are, as such gives me insights into their unresolved childhood traumas.

As for my ancestors further back, they are the world to me. Literally. When the body breaks down, it doesnt just evaporate out of existence, it gets carried off into the air land and sea by natural forces. I hear them in the roaring waves, the sound of lightning. Death is just a parlor trick. We are always connected.
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Graham Snodforth - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 14:20:26 EST p+7ufF1/ No.210004 Reply
>>210003
>property is inherited, passed on from elders to their descendents
There's people who think that people having a huge advantage in life because hundreds of years ago someone said "this is mine" or killed some people to get shit while in your country people can't afford food and shelter while working full time is a bad thing though.

Taking credit or pride in things you didn't do is dumb. Family does give you a nice sense of history, how you ended up here I agree. But nationalism is stupid. Once it was tribes, then city states. But the truth is when you get past cultural baggage we're all pretty similar. National history is rarely complete and what we get is actually often incomplete to the point it's misleading. Even in the US where it's pretty short and relatively recent and well recorded you don't get the whole story. And then you either cover a poorly recorded history of the Americans or Europeans history which is a mess of different things going on.

Knowing a story about how my country suddenly an empire somehow lots of resources slaves and the industrial revolution happened first is nice but it doesn't actually affect the reality of what so many people did. If we just say "it's the stories that matter" we erase the actions of people. But yet everyone has contributed, even if it's just by being there and doing their thing and thus allowing something else to happen, society has always been a complicated system made of more parts than we can comprehend. Our continuum isn't history, it's the results of our actions. When I die I would like to be remembered, but I'd like to think I had a net positive effect on the world and that reverberated, even if subtle tiny ways for years. And a lot of people did that for us but they were nobody the seamstress and no one the factory worker or they were MP on some constituency no one remembers but voted to change the law along with a bunch of others or they died stalling fascism for a good 70 years ish.

With anti black racism on the rise in europe

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- Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:59:35 EST S2IQKx6v No.209948
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What's next?
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James Tootman - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 18:54:29 EST fGHDtkRk No.209976 Reply
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>>209974
how does it feel to know that no matter how mad you get online nothing will change this trajectory and that in 100 years people like you will be a bad memory?
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Esther Chonderwell - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 22:20:26 EST kBvj4hT4 No.209984 Reply
>>209981
Racists, uncle thomas. Racists.
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Edwin Trotdock - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 23:57:49 EST fGHDtkRk No.209990 Reply
>>209981
>racist, transphobic homosexual with a thing for people of color

milo is that you

Free College In The USA

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- Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:28:10 EST qum7+esS No.209429
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What if you could make college free and then make admission to colleges be based purely on merit, but with a twist: you are compared only to the others at your own school to determine if you qualify for admission to a college rather than comparing you to the whole nation. Say you get the top scores and grades on your tests in your high school, but for national averages, your test scores/grades would still be too low to get into the top schools traditionally, under the new system, you would get admission because compared to your peers you did the best and therefore deserve to be in a top school. If one school has bad teachers or not enough funding, why should the students suffer? They should be judged against those who had an equal playing field, ie those in their own school rather than those who may have gone to some fancy private school with personal tutors and lots of fancy programs and who had advantages they couldn't access.

Now imagine what would happen if you did this. Suddenly all the schools packed with great students would empty out as the parents took their kids to poorly performing schools so they had a better chance at college admission. People act like segregation and school integration is an issue America dealt with in the past, but we didn't really deal with it at all. We did a little, got things moving in the right direction, then basically stopped trying and claimed we fixed the problem while the communities we live in remain highly segregated which keeps racial minorities trapped in poverty as wealthy whites never interact with them and therefore never hire them to do anything for them and spend money at their businesses. Furthermore, people can gain a bunch of value simply by having the value of their house go up because their neighborhood improves. They sit there and do nothing, but other people move into the neighborhood and start fixing pot holes and weeding the sidewalks and mowing the lawns and painting stuff and hiring security and installing floodlights, and suddenly they have more money because the value of their houses goes up.

In my mind this is an elegant solution to many of the social issues plaguing America. It would get around the affirmative action boogeyman and install a system that people can understand as being fair while having the effect of making it easier for people in underfunded and underperforming districts to get into the top schools and incentivize parents to move from over-performing school districts to underperforming districts which could help reverse the negative effects of white flight on inner city minority communities.
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Betsy Blovingstodging - Wed, 19 Feb 2020 22:28:44 EST 6EHvdHby No.209960 Reply
>>209429
>Now imagine what would happen if you did this

mismatch would happen to an even greater scale then what we're already seeing with affirmative action. students will continue to drop out do to mismatch. minorities will suffer even worse than they already under well meaning but flawed affirmative action.

the problem isn't access to elite universities, there are plenty of great affordable universities out there.
minorities don't need 'compete' with yuppies whoes grades are more dependant on their parents donations than academic performance.

the mindset that these universities are somehow better because spoiled yuppies attend is the problem.

do you know Ivy status is sports characterization not an academic one?

furthur more it's not just attendance of overpriced yuppie universites thats the problem but the college system in general. if you really want change we need to go back to when it was perfectly reasonable to get a job/apprenticeship right out of highschool learn by doing not by sitting in some classroom.
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George Peshbire - Thu, 20 Feb 2020 12:53:31 EST 97spaKrr No.209962 Reply
>>209960
>whoes grades are more dependant on their parents donations than academic performance.
Things like diet and environment can affect grades too.

I mean I get OP here it's better than affirmative action in a lot of ways but really you want to cure the problem instead of just putting hacks in to conceal it. Why should some schools be that much worse? That's not something you can easily fix and it'll take time but it's also the REAL solution.
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Edwin Trotdock - Sat, 29 Feb 2020 19:04:11 EST fGHDtkRk No.209978 Reply
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>>209973
>You can literally just read books

why don't you practice what you preach?

You ever feel like society is the problem?

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- Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:04:23 EST pdpqZQMH No.209470
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not some aspect of it, but civilization itself? Has anything since prior to the advent of agriculture had a net positive effect on society? agriculture lead to division of labor, class, and status. People were happier when they were still nomadic.

I know we can't go back, because we are addicted now, but can we at least admit civilization was a mistake?
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Charles Perringfoot - Tue, 12 Nov 2019 00:49:35 EST FX34H2LL No.209832 Reply
>>209826
This isn't a Nature/Nature thing, mah dude.

This thread, is about "society," see OP, more specifically it's about the nature of civilization and how people interact with it. Implicitly it's a political question of how you set of a society/civilization. What I'm talking about with "Human Nature" is an inherently political notion of how groups of individuals act in relation to each other in a civilization.

Nature v Nuture, is not that, it's a genes/environment notion. Which is more apt for a thread related specifically to that dichotomy. I mean, no offense, but either have an argument or not man, up to you. Also, and this is a minor thing, something can be "simple" to conceptualize, but be "complex" in operation/any subsequent analysis. So don't fall into that silliness.

nb
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Graham Gezzlepark - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:21:30 EST hcOExBer No.209844 Reply
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>>209832
Different societies interact differently depending on the structure of the society and the ways of life -- however promoted and encouraged, by how people organize themselves (relate to each other) and how decisions are made. So there isn't one answer to the question of "how civilization functions and why" because there's a plurality of means practiced by humanity.

<<< Please cast your eyes to Exhibit A, a diagram of Kowloon Walled City in Hong Kong. It was bull dozed by the government in 1993.
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Thomas Blackham - Sun, 09 Feb 2020 19:44:26 EST xShoB9+Q No.209950 Reply
>>209470


What makes you think some particular ape creatures experiencing some particular sentiment at some particular time is, in itself, the measure of the good?

If you have creatures that are pleased by participation in forms that bring greater potency, naturally they will predominate over other creatures whose modes of thought are less fitted with such.

public (pseudo)intellectuals

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- Sat, 01 Jun 2019 00:07:37 EST I6irGQRy No.209678
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anyone else really fucking hate this guy? also what is it with 3rd rate psychologists suddenly becoming revered as these gurus because they tell basement dwellers basic fucking common sense wrapped up in these political messages that are exactly what they want to hear?
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Hedda Gocklespear - Sun, 02 Feb 2020 22:46:16 EST okIBfjTP No.209940 Reply
Interesting to update this thread. Since the start:
  1. Peterson came out that he was in Klonopin hole for most of his rise to fame.
  2. Rogan interviewed Yang and Sanders then refused to interview anyone else and endorsed Sanders.
  3. Jeffery Epstein was murdered.
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Thomas Chammerchone - Sun, 02 Feb 2020 23:17:30 EST fGHDtkRk No.209941 Reply
>>209940
Jeffery Epstein's body double was murdered you mean to say. The real Epstein is living large in South America

Having children because they'll take care of you when youre old

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- Sun, 01 Dec 2019 18:13:19 EST +n0riTme No.209855
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Whoever brought kids because they think they’ll get taken care of when they’re old can go fuck themselves.

Anyone whose retirement plan is for their children to become full time CNA's is going to be fucked when their children say no.
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Edward Bittingwurk - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 23:22:21 EST AwFARtk4 No.209860 Reply
>>209855
OP it sounds like your perspective stems from a personal connection to the issue, maybe not your own parents or family members, but someone you are close to.

most people dont PLAN for that to be the case it just ends up being a convenient way for younger people without any solid direction in life to make money doing something they would be doing even without pay
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Cornelius Trotdale - Thu, 05 Dec 2019 05:08:58 EST F2yFh27a No.209863 Reply
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>>209856
what a asshole bitch.

"hey mom, I know you can't consent because you are senile,
but let me post your face all over the internet and tell strangers you play with your own poop!"

>>209855
I remember vividly how the parents of my ex-gf tried to peer-pressure her and me into having kids. They used the same argument of course.
Right at the start of our relationship. wtf.
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Isabella Congernetch - Tue, 24 Dec 2019 05:17:18 EST eLEHh0uv No.209885 Reply
I've vaguely considered the possibility that when I have kids they may be able to provide for me.

Specifically it's because I had a shitty upbringing myself (no guidance from parents, put into shitty school), and to the best of my ability I want to get a good job and secure a good future for my children. I want to homeschool them and teach them maths, biology etc at an early age. Partly because its a good idea in and of itself but also because I could secure their futures/help them to become employable as adults.

But mostly I don't expect anything (also I will marry my daughters off).

people with "magic thinking"

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- Mon, 02 Sep 2019 11:20:45 EST U+CRTLPX No.209767
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Ages ago I heard about a study or book about a large part of the population who have a somewhat "magical" way of thinking and how those are the people most likely to support dogmas and refuse to educate themselves on things. Anybody can help me out with that?
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Edwin Greenstone - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 03:25:20 EST hcOExBer No.209853 Reply
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Comparable to people thinking that Planet X or Nibiru was going to collide with Earth in 2012. A la Terrence Moonseed of Rap News. Tho that's just a certain sector of the population... Believing conspiracy theories fits this thinking, but subscribing a different explanation besides magic or god(s), a conspiratorial alibi and projection to define something which is far too complex for simple explanations like an elite cabal of people ruling the world or a secret society of lizard people infiltrating humanity. Though tinfoil thought does have valid underpinnings of wanting to understand societal developments and meaning.

( Rap News 30 - NWO https://youtu.be/W4nSjPdT788 )

Beyond tinfoil there is the symbolic representation of magical and religious thinking about objects or rituals or events and the question of how important it is to signify what's occurred (or what will or should occur) and memorializing it. I wonder about the importance of faith in believing something will occur -- and by extension the power of the mind(?), on having an effect physically and/or psychologically to aid recovery from an illness.

This reminds me of the metal music by YOB and their most recent album Our Raw Heart which is a story of one member overcoming "extremely painful and potentially fatal intestinal disease", and in the song Screen: the lyrics screaming rhythmically:

"Ancient poison
Out
Out
Out"

Often there is a call for more focus on coming of age rituals to signify the progression from youth into adulthood.

Anyways, more info about what y'all are talking about would be cool and I will keep my ears open.
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Shit Honeyway - Sat, 21 Dec 2019 22:40:25 EST gkGQRl44 No.209880 Reply
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>>209852
I think there are two questions implicit then in that. I will say what they are then qualify them.

  1. To what extent do people require "knowledge" about the things they do in terms of actions they carry out?

Example: To what extent do I need to know "how" something works versus simply knowing "that" something works.

2. To what extent should you trust experts?

In the medicine instance you stated, my knee-jerk reaction is that, generally, we expect those in a position to know and have an incentive to provide truthful information to be truthful when they tell you that something is wrong with you and you need this pill etc.
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Beatrice Blathershaw - Sun, 22 Dec 2019 07:18:55 EST xEzpk0dP No.209881 Reply
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This is a good question with no easy answer. We have a limited amount of knowledge we can fit into our brains so some "magic" is required to get through the day, however we should acknowledge that we are ignorant to it and the limitations that our non knowledge brings. This means in terms of the opinions we form and also that just because we don't understand it, it doesn't mean someone else won't.

I posted about fiat money in another thread. Economics is not magic to me. I'm not a real expert but I have a degree in the subject so my knowledge even with the rust and shittiness of my degree is well above average. Most people don't even know what an economy is and will vote based on the economy all the same.

Which bridges to experts. The same extent we should trust their motives and their expert status. Experts aren't always right but they are right a lot more than other people. In the absence of strong evidence counter to their position these are the people who know the subject. Coming back to economics, I'm more inclined to trust academics because they don't have a vested interest. When a big business leader says something I trust their knowledge, I just don't trust their motives and that their advice or proclamation is for the good of the effectiveness of the economy rather than just maximising their slice. Medicine is another good one. Doctors are sometimes wrong, but often the issue is that they are only experts in certain areas. My girlfriend has a rare immune disorder and a lot of doctors have never encountered it so she knows more. In this case she was originally diagnosed by a doctor but a lot of the time she's the expert in the room, at least until the doctors read up and apply their knowledge. I suppose that opens a second can of worms "who are the experts?". I feel even if you're an expert in a subject you will have blind spots and when those come up you're not an expert in those.

I think a lot of issues with experts arise from them not being experts during a given disagreement or issue or people who aren't experts insisting on overriding them on purely idealistic reasons. Usually political ones. The war on drugs is of course a top example of this AND also that there are "experts" giving advice which is sound for their specific agenda and not the nation (and nations pursuing a similar policy) on the whole.


fiat currency

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- Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:12:32 EST qeOwblsq No.209869
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not really sure how basing and debasement of the gold standard in response to the real uncontrolled gold prices (they tried to control it) during a recession is not literally the same exact monetary tool as the ones supposedly made available by fiat currency but ok?

not really sure how mandating all payments to the average joe to be made in something that will never lose value is not the best social welfare program to end all social welfare programs but ok?

meanwhile i hear that CPI has been smudged and fiddled by those clever accountants to not include the inflating prices of goods consumers actually buy ie gas and education? so actually the decline of the us dollar and great depression we are currently in is kind of worse than in the datasets?

>value judgements

may you 20-somethings out there forgo the latest gimped out desktop of an iphone in order to follow up on a physical investment with the purchasing of drastically inflated land, dog bles
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Sophie Duckdock - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 13:07:55 EST CPrPDQWq No.209873 Reply
>>209869
For a long time I wondered if I was too stupid to get these arguments but I'm starting to think they just don't make sense.

Gold goes up and down in value, everything does because there is no such thing as absolute value. It's arbitrary. If the products the average Joe needs to buy go up in price even with gold standard he gets poorer. Inflation has always happened. Since my country dumped its gold it has not risen. In fact it has fallen though actually that has nothing to do with gold and everything to do with the central bank.

In the even the promissary note stops working your society has collapsed and gold falls in value too. What do people need gold for in such circumstances? The value of everything else, especially say shotguns and canned food goes up.

I agree that CPI is a shady measure. those items are included though, just under weighted. I'm not sure it's clever accountants fudging figures though, the politicians just elect to choose the more optimistic way of defining figures and their statisticians/economists do what they're told. They're subtle enough to use methods that stand up to casual scrutiny and are plausibly deniable.

I'm not sure what this has to do with the flaws of fiat currency. Money is a measure of value, medium of trade and potentially store of value, but it just represents and entirely arbitrary amount of resources. I'm not sure what you're actually getting at. I think you're one of those people who's hung up on the gold standard. Or maybe this is where I am missing the obvious. How will it translate into.. something good?

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