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What is even evil?

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- Wed, 27 Sep 2017 17:54:17 EST YXMsMuFM No.208438
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So there's this discussion I've been having on /b/ about belief, and it naturally evolved to banter about the nature of evil.

So I'm pretty much a relativist, because firstly I think humanity embodies both sides of the dichotomy as a fact of nature i.e. how we're made and how we perceive the world, and secondly because I believe there's no meaning beyond what humans the ones humans apply to the universe.

Yet I do find myself agreeing to being on the "good" side.

Why is this?
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Martin Clagglebury - Sun, 19 Nov 2017 15:04:56 EST /iCKvJxT No.208541 Reply
>>208438
First, establish what is commonly accepted as "good" and "evil".
The most popular human forms of evil have been established throughout the ages.
Murder, rape, thievery, lying, wrath, and hatred.
The most popular forms of good have also been established.
Charity, honor, truth, kindness, modesty and love.
These are highly prototypical expressions of what "good" and "evil" are.
Now the question, why do you believe yourself to be on the "good side"?
Is good and evil something we are born with? Something inherent in a soul? If a soul is a real thing?
Or are we products of environment? Would you be the same person if you were born and raised in a slum like downtown detroit? Would you be the same if you were raised by only one of your parents?
If an african american man was born in a nice suburb, would he still sell crack? #roasted
And how much does culture affect? Do the movies and stories you were told as a child and even now affect your perception, affect your morals? And when you finally do realize that your set of beliefs are manufactured by external stimuli, you will see yourself as nothing more than a collection of experiences and impulse responses, knee jerks that tweak your perceptions and affect how you understand and respond to future experiences. Seeing beyond the veil of subjectivity you discover that no objective truth is observable and that you are the ultimate judge of reality.
Enter the wild, wild, west. A cowboy riding a horse, a gun on his hip. He has written and signed his own constitution, of what is just, just for him. What is right and what is wrong when he stick his gun in your mouth? Will you die for a philosophy? As far as the cowboy sees its survival of the quickest..
So why are you "good"? Because life has been good to you? Because your life has shown you goodness so it exists within you? You obviously didn't make the choice to be good on a basis of logical axioms or you wouldn't asking why your good..And when you see through your own bullshit perhaps then you will discover what you really are. Nosce te ipsum.
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Cedric Beggleshit - Fri, 08 Dec 2017 21:15:18 EST NMygqr00 No.208561 Reply
>>208438
Hard relativism assumes that all moral values are relative... you answered your own question
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Betsy Brookbury - Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:24:39 EST Sm7nPCsL No.208562 Reply
>>208561

Is then the notion that morals should be relative, is that notion relative? Is absolute morality permissible in relative morality?

Should i feel guilty for hating homophobes?

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- Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:26:05 EST qJ30WOYM No.208540
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I live in Australia and we found out on wednesday that Homophobes are now in the minority in Australia. Should i feel guilty for hating them? because they are a minority i am legitimately confused on how i should feel toward them.
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Reuben Dibblechere - Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:11:41 EST z/FiZpQC No.208549 Reply
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>>208540
Hate is too much. There is no need to hate them.

But there is no need to sympathize with them, either. Fuck em.
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Basil Pittbury - Mon, 27 Nov 2017 15:03:29 EST 1kfT+DW9 No.208550 Reply
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I've been struggling with where the line is drawn, I use to believe that people are fundamentally good and society has a place for everyone.

This last year + has really changed how I view my fellow man. I was a pacifist for well over a decade and now I see that as completely naive.

If you're a bigot or anti-worker the least I can do is hate you.
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Martha Ponkinfitch - Tue, 28 Nov 2017 18:24:12 EST YXMsMuFM No.208551 Reply
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>>208550

>If you're a bigot or anti-worker the least I can do is hate you.

Dude just chill. We're all imperfect humans.

Hate is such a powerful thing. Disagree, deny, resist or revolt sure. Hate though, nah dude that is for lesser men.

>This last year + has really changed how I view my fellow man. I was a pacifist for well over a decade and now I see that as completely naive.

Take care not to flip entirely. A lot of people with strong opinions tend to do this, maybe because having strong opinions is more integral to them than having the "correct" opinions.
Just chill, remember this Earth is at first man vs man, not idea vs. idea.
If you don't accept the world as-is, a complicated mess of a place hell even in your personal life, you gonna have a hard and bad time.

Do you think important people of the past, who weren't important in their time

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- Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:31:33 EST tKRmy9hF No.208470
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ever thought themselves fools for writing it all down?

I mean we have all these books, written long before the telegraph or even the printing press. We have records, documents, journals, short stories tales and fables. Do you think the people writing these seemingly frivolous and pointless logs containing their dreams hopes opinions plans debts and whimsies, ever thought to themselves the way we today do, "What's the point of writing a book? What's the point of keeping a journal? I'm a nobody. It doesn't matter. I'll never be famous. I'm going to play videogames/watch tv/movies/jerk off/do yard work/eat food.". Except minus the modern stuff they obviously didn't have, replace with old timey equivalents.

My point is, i've been mulling it over and I don't think they thought in those terms. They didn't have kardasians, they didn't have instant porn on tap. When they got bored, they contemplated life, they wrote things down. Not in aetherial online forums. They wrote them down in a way that they would be kept and organized. Not lost and scattered to the winds of the internet. They probably didn't expect anyone to read their crap (i'm talking about normal people who later became known through their journals and works, not people who were doing multigenerational work at the time and expected their shit to be read down the line.) and didn't care either. It was for them.

What I'm also getting at is that we're rarely doing it "for me" anymore. Like everyone I know is doing things so they can...SHOW it to the world. So they can, get some kind of sliver of fame. I don't understand it. Fame is stupid. Self fulfilment is what matters, you'll find that out after you get fans. It even will grate on you, because you will hate them for loving you, because you don't love yourself...it angers you that they see something that you don't consider to exist. It bothers you that they get to love you, but you don't get to love yourself.

Idk. I think tech is fucking us up badly. Socially. It's getting fucking creepy. Like really, really fucking creepy. Kids have their faces in their phones all the time now and I always thought it was bullshit when adults would say that growing up but now...it's creepy, like I said. I'm only 27. And shit is getting fucking weird

Was just thinking all this while journaling for the first time in years. I've been putting my phone in a drawer recently...idk why. It creeps me the fuck out. When I can visually see it, it grips me. I can't explain it and it just creeps me out badly. When it's not physically on me, or visible, I feel differently. My anxiety goes the fuck away. I have had crippling anxiety for the last 4 fucking years (when I got my first smartphone...) and have had no idea why, or what changed me. These shit's are fucking creepy. I pretty much use my pc again when needed now. Feels much more normal. I don't even use it often. Mostly for movies/tv, but I only watch maybe a few shows a day, whereas with the phone, I was watching dozens of yt videos and random distracting horse shit. Something about the touchscreen...it grabs your monkey brain harder. Another note, I can't use pc on acid or shrooms, but I can use a touchscreen fine. It's fucking bizarre.

Anyway, this turned into kind of a rant/ramble but it started as a simple thought. I was wondering what the differences were between us and them after having the initial contemplation on what their intention was for their personal journalings. As a form of personal entertainment and remembrance at a later date, or as a means to be "remembered in history somehow" as I personally have fantasies about as a "modern man".

TL;DR
An open discussion about humanity pre and post technological revolution.

Posted in /b/ but here might be better. Also, why the fuck do we not have a Philosophy board?
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Matilda Clucklestone - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 03:08:15 EST Iw2FXFb1 No.208533 Reply
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>>208476
For example China had ten ages in their mythology that spans back beyond what is known. Of what little history remains the dating is dramatically inaccurate. Anyways, the reason that is is because all the sages were killed and the books chronologing those eras were burned.

If you go back farther, history was remembered through storytellers, poets, and bards or whatever. The stories were fluid, altered over time, and varied per teller, until they were written. The story of Beowulf being the most obvious example. That tale was told countless times taking on different meanings while the core premise probably remained. Its continuous development occurring in spoken form becomes stunted in writing. From the novel a movie, diluted for the worse, to inspired variations like the 13th Warrior, its re-presented in another medium. Scroll credits.

The storytellers of the distant past who kept humanity's lessons and history alive across many generations are unknown. Certainly there is power in being the keeper of culture, its flame, but it was about what they told, not who they were. A select few people can make movies, many can write, everyone can tell stories.
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Fuck Diffingridge - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:15:20 EST oX3f4KlI No.208534 Reply
The internet as a historical document will outlast every notebook journal diary or folio in existence.
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Eliza Gemmerwell - Sat, 18 Nov 2017 06:57:53 EST qJ30WOYM No.208539 Reply
>>208534

and yet finding anything of worth is like finding a certain needle in a pile of needles.

Atavism?

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- Tue, 06 Dec 2016 15:26:13 EST Y5UP2WQL No.207410
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Does anyone else have a bad reaction to the mentally handicapped? Am I literally hitler?
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Samuel Shittinglock - Mon, 06 Nov 2017 15:19:22 EST nX761Sq0 No.208503 Reply
>>208500
>all animals took their rights, or they didn't get them.
No, animals operated without rights. A lion catching a gazelle isn't the lion taking a right. Rights are societal constructs. They exist only as much as a society is willing to uphold them.

>There isn't a legal system in place to stop you from being killed
Just because I can't stop a murderer with an explanation of my rights doesn't mean that they don't exist. The capacity for a right to be violated doesn't prove its nonexistence.
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Priscilla Pennernerk - Tue, 07 Nov 2017 14:30:14 EST wRqF/W2w No.208504 Reply
ITT: People conflate arguing about semantics with ethical debate.

Spoiler: The fuck does it matter how we describe these things? Isn't what really matters (and the point of the thread) what we should or shouldn't do viz. other people (i.e. ethical debate) rather than what we do or don't call our ideas about what to do? Rights, capacities, justification...all just human meat-sounds to cover up our incomprehension of how we ought to behave or what even reality is...mistaking semantics for epistemology or ethics, a very primitive kind of misunderstanding...
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Fuck Diffingridge - Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:24:27 EST oX3f4KlI No.208537 Reply
>>208503
Belief in biological rights is a sure sign of a social darwinist.

Political Science

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- Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:37:19 EST vmu9ElA5 No.208397
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Any Political Science majors?
Why is there so much theory in the course? Does it have any relevance in real life, or is it just academics being academics?
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Dr. M !gWLn19/oKs - Fri, 01 Sep 2017 21:54:41 EST mXz0pukj No.208414 Reply
>>208397
Yes, my undergrad was PoliSci.

You need the theory to genuinely understand political concepts.

No disrespect, but clearly you're the quantitative type. That's great and all, but what knowledge base will you draw on that's not a machine?

Understanding the theories and concepts about why things are structured and occur the way they do help with intuitive thought process and making estimated guesses.

The vast knowledge accumulated from, say, Poli Sci (we take IR as well)+History minor+ Religious studies minor is amazing. You really understand how politics works from a ridiculous amount of perspectives and vantage points.

But I'm a bias academic so. The way I see it is, if you took my approach + maintained the quantitative, you're somebody who actually understands them, yet is able to transform that into quantitative data and legitimize Political Science as a "science".
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Edwin Gacklewell - Tue, 05 Sep 2017 21:19:32 EST cmOR3FR3 No.208417 Reply
I knew two guys with polisci degrees. One got a really good D.C. Job with the republicans then his mental illness made him just check out and his parents basically pay for him to be a homebody.

The other guy worked a low level job at google until some think tank hired him.

So the "usefulness" of the degree,like many others, is determined by how well you network.
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Phineas Winkindale - Sun, 24 Sep 2017 02:21:57 EST XypP1lD0 No.208436 Reply
>>208399
Ehh I am inclined to disagree with that. I'm not sure what you mean by studies, but I'm taking it to mean political studies? Theory as done in modern academic settings does move. pretty slowly due to what you mentioned, but I'm not sure how it would restrict anything.

Like a lot of ideas established in the US Constitution owe a lot to the works of John Locke. I don't think it would be restrictive to read his theories. For a more modern and influential political scientist, John Rawls' A Theory of Justice was inspired by Hume's skepticism and Kant's deonotlogical ethics.

As far as data goes, I'm finding it hard to understand why you think that an interpretation of data is distinct from theory. Isn't theory just another way of saying interpretation?

On Psychedelics

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!oj3475yHBQ - Sat, 12 Aug 2017 20:31:38 EST hX9kQ/Yg No.208372
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Mental disorders ultimately take the form of repression reinforced by the ego, manifesting in the minor form as anxiety/depression and in the major as harmful abnormal behavior mounting in insanity. This is something already well known to modern psychology, but the approach of many is to judge which repressions are good verses those that are bad, and so the patient also judges which aspect of his/her repression is good/bad. This process “works” but is inefficient and ultimately only serves to reinforce the cause of the repression in the first-place, the ego.

The quickest, most human way of destroying repression and healing the psyche is to destroy the ego, this is because once the ego is destroyed one can face the complete form of emotion being repressed within the individual without said individuals' ego getting in the way... but as it turns out the medicine is also the poison. We face ego-death everyday, but only those who really face themselves know what ego-death is. Ego-death occurs when we give ourselves up to something completely, the two most common forms being produced from love and sex... anyone who has experienced ego death in these contexts know they've experienced something more than what is considered normal, a mind which is shared by all humanity that evokes both spiritual and religious awe and is ultimately analogous with love. The choices we face also force ego-death upon us, but in a lesser form, and it is how we face these choices, which either promote health and dissolve the ego, or repress our emotions and cause the ego to grow.

When ego-death is faced this causes a surge of emotion that produces anxiety in an individual that can either be acted on by fleeing from it, which builds the ego and causes repression, or by accepting it, which produces positive emotions. When someone acts by fleeing there is positive emotion only after the action chosen changes the situation, and so the ego becomes convinced that it made the "right" choice in context of a "wrong" one. However because the ego gets in the way of one resolving the full emotional content of which the anxiety has been generated from, the feelings and significance of the event which caused the anxiety is repressed, only to surface the next time another situation arises which causes anxiety. When an individual who has accepted their emotions act, they do so not from fleeing from discomfort, but because reason demands it, and with the full knowledge of how they feel, which is already resolved.

Our entire society is structured on this unhealthy egotistic justification, a good example being someone I know whose go-to example of what caused him to be successful is that of running from his fear of failure in university. Fear can be a powerful motivator, but should be faced, not to be let in as a driving force in ones life. Because his model for doing what needed to be done was running from anxiety and fear, all of his actions were seen as justified because they all revolved around the positive reinforcement of his escape.

The primitive state of "Eden" is a description of a society which knew this, where individuals "grew up" so to speak by way of shamanic initiation into the adulthood of human mind experienced upon accepting ego-death, but somewhere along the line people stopped basing their decisions on what they felt, and starting acting on what they thought they felt was right or wrong, which only caused us to fall into the trap of the self-perpetuating machine of ego forced upon mankind by the rules handed down within cult-ture.

Now we get into the real matter here, because true ego death is actually readily available in the form of psychedelics like MDMA, Psilocybin, LSD and DMT. But humanity is still collectively working through what it means to have access to these drugs, and frankly many individuals have become so infatuated with their ego that they could do themselves serious harm by taking them, yet the honest truth is that many major celebrities, politicians, businessmen, probably even your parents have done psychedelics and experienced ego death. These people know the validity of the experience, and they know that this state of mind is comparable with what they feel off the drugs, within moments that they truly sacrifice themselves for the thing they love.

How drugs are viewed by culture is symptomatic of humanities collective anxiety and repression of itself. Think of …
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The Fool !oj3475yHBQ - Sun, 13 Aug 2017 17:49:49 EST hX9kQ/Yg No.208380 Reply
>>208379
Random thought, I would be really interested to see what Camus' reaction to LSD would have been.
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Reuben Gorrywill - Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:48:23 EST +oDzYIVl No.208386 Reply
>>208379
Well being able to acquire them some day would be nice it especially helps with philosophy and learning difficulties.
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Shit Trothall - Tue, 22 Aug 2017 08:18:34 EST 8gq7GAVV No.208396 Reply
>>208372
>Mental disorders ultimately take the form of repression reinforced by the ego, manifesting in the minor form as anxiety/depression and in the major as harmful abnormal behavior mounting in insanity.

What the fuck? Mental disorders are abnormal thoughts, brought about by chemical inbalances or radically disturbing events unfolding around the unfortunate sufferer.

There's nothing about fucking egos. What the fuck you on about nigga.

the why of progress

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- Fri, 23 Jun 2017 19:16:36 EST jDHD98qF No.208255
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Also following the Anger Masturbations post about having a civil coversation, I'm going to ask a relatively simple question.

And it's this; we can all agree the state of the world is pretty chaotic, at least for a lot of people relative to five or ten years ago. This is clearly reflected in the politics of our times. No matter how bad things get and no matter how many people in response stop and say 'okay now is the time to really get serious and fix things, before there's no going back', things keep moving forward. The question I have is why. Why is it that the idea that things are wrong right now, and they were right in the past-- so universal, while any proposals to change things back are always controversial?

My biggest suspicion is the loud minority that destroys most civil conversations and keeps progress from being made. But surely if enough of the majority were trying they're best to do it, they should be able to carry on a conversation even despite a bit of trolling going on. So it also can be that people just aren't trying they're best, that they don't really care and they're distracted enough by the stresses of their lives to try to fix the world. Or maybe even the majority doesn't really care.

Or maybe, and this is the most interesting to me, this is all just an inevitability. There are technological revolutions going on that act on the human race as almost a sort of 'puberty', and it's insane to thing humans _would_ be able to keep on top of this. If this were the case, then what's going on sucks but it's fine, because people will learn to live with one another and things will even out.

Of course there's also the view that a certain portion of the population have just been so screwed over that they don't just not give a shit, they wanna burn everything down. They may not cognizantly be planning the end of the world, but they go 'eh fuck it maybe I will vote for X extreme referendum, one the one hand it might end well but even better it might end in the end of the world'. I've met a few people like that.

Maybe it's everyone? But the world is always complicated. Or maybe it's no one.. and this is the way it's always been. I dunno. I bet there isn't any real single answer for us to figure out.. but I wanna know what you guys think.
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Fanny Gandershit - Wed, 09 Aug 2017 11:41:48 EST +oDzYIVl No.208355 Reply
>>208351
it's often just as much code for "i did have to work back then" and "they don't have to work now"
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Samuel Bunham - Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:02:01 EST +oDzYIVl No.208362 Reply
>>208358
it's depressing but important. Because it's harmful rhetoric sometimes it's the beginning of people giving back to society. The past and memory is as much a mystery and at times even harder to take emotionally as/than the mysteries of space and time. It's the beginning of a human trial that can lead you into what you would call and elder in society. Dealing with the feelings of change flux and even angst and alienation can just lead you into an appreciation of the different generations as an discomfort.

Trans and Homophobia in Black Culture

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- Wed, 02 Aug 2017 11:24:03 EST KAjNPewV No.208321
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia_in_ethnic_minority_communities

Recently, a black comedian made public statements claiming he would physically assault a woman if he "found out it was a guy". An article was posted in a FB group about the incident, so I asked if he had tried to use his blackness as an excuse for his transphobia. I caught lots of shit for being a racist but it's a known fact that homophobia and transphobia are prevalent in ethnic minority cultures, even in the U.S. Why is it okay for minorities to be homophobic and why can't anyone call attention to this problem without being called racist?
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Angus Wizzlemidge - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 14:11:39 EST CQFMNQ4/ No.208324 Reply
/pss/ is turning into /pol/.

I also don't think black people are afraid of gays or cuties so phobia doesn't make sense.

Additionally, I think there is a higher prevalence in black for homosexuality. I could be wrong on that but I think there are studies claiming somewhere around 7-10% of black males exhibiting homosexual traits or at the least bisexual tendencies. Again, I don't have that(those) study though. There is also a significantly higher likelihood for American blacks to be impoverished and or poor. Poverty is well known to be linked to herd mentality and bigoted tendencies. Along with hyperbolic ideas on what people should or shouldn't be. It doesn't take long to be around poor people to see that they all think people should be this or that and that they are very opinionated. Poor males will almost always think in terms of masculinity and other such shit. Being gay is for weak faggots etc. So homosexuality is persecuted in poor, black, males. Just as homosexuality is downtrodden by poor, white, males. The key here being poor and male obviously.


>Speaking from personal experience, there seem to be more gay black males but only slightly and don't even make gay jokes around black men who are from the ghetto or very poor. They get up in arms over anything homosex for whatever reason. "Thou Doth Protest Too Much" perhaps?

I guess it is a generalization or stereotype but poor people seem to have the biggest issue with homosexuality, just like poor people are more likely to be stupid, have a ton of kids, commit crimes, end up in prison, do drugs, be an addict, and be religious. I'm sure that will piss plenty of people off. Who are likely poor. Race doesn't really seem to matter as much aside from perhaps a potential higher rate of homosexuality in blacks.
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Angus Wizzlemidge - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 14:21:28 EST CQFMNQ4/ No.208325 Reply
Double post, kill me now amirite?

I dunno about where you live but if black people say faggot or chastise gays, they get the same level of punishment as white people or anyone else. At least in places where it matters. I don't rail on any comedian for anything unless they are unfunny. No jokes should be barred. It is comedy, I don't take anything a comedian says as rule of law or seriously. They are just trying to make you laugh. People who get pissed over a joke or a comedian are not people I associate with regardless.

Among friends, informal situation, etc nobody gets "punished" for homosexual slurs or "hate speech." Even if it gets posted online, only high profile people get shat on. Regular 9-5 black people, white people, etc aren't going to get punished by society for saying faggot or whatever. In the workplace, it is the same story for everyone, termination. In school it is the same story for everyone, expulsion. In public office, it is the same story for everyone, removed.

This whole double standard shit is retarded. Nobody gets preferential treatment anymore unless you have an army of lawyers to cover your ass. A rich black person can call white people the devil and his army of lawyers will cover him. A rich white person can scream jolly african-americans into a megaphone from a skyscraper and his army of lawyers will cover him. This is all such a joke and bread and circus for stupid people. The US and the world have much greater issues than the current level of racism/hatespeech/whatever we have. The (bigotry issues) has been quelled enough now that other fires need to be put out.

>But retards love an Us vs. Them riot.
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Matilda Senderhutch - Mon, 07 Aug 2017 08:24:59 EST 8gq7GAVV No.208345 Reply
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Black people tend to be kneedeep in the retarded Jesus Christ desert demon worshipping death cult bullshit. You know, that idiotic religion imported from Judea.

Religion ruins everything. Save the planet. Kill Christians. 666 speed metal for lyfe /thread

Racism

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- Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:52:29 EST RJGzRrNh No.207576
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Posting here because social sciences.

What really determines if someone is racist?
Earlier today i was walking to collect my mail and throw my rubbish in the bin when i passed some black kids a boy and a girl, we smiled and nodded at each other but about half way to the letterbox i felt an unease and immeditly thought that these kids were going to rob me, they didnt, but i cant ignore that thought. Am i racist? would i have thought that if they were white, maybe if they were tatted up white kids who seemed like they had a drug problem.

So what is racism? Was i being a racist?
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Hugh Denningpotch - Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:05:08 EST 0mGiprQj No.208280 Reply
>>208260
Let me say this to you, Flicker. If you've got what it takes to discuss race without throwing insults, I'll happily discuss it with you. We can discuss the definitions of the words, the way society feels about these words, genetics, memetics, whatever. I'd like that.
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Cedric Clorringspear - Thu, 03 Aug 2017 17:35:56 EST cc26aplb No.208327 Reply
>>207579
Wouldn't it just be easier to say that everyone is racist?
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Wesley Guddlesure - Sun, 06 Aug 2017 04:55:32 EST 4FAq+MEK No.208342 Reply
>>208327

But then how can he fool himself into thinking he's not as censorious and intolerant as the people he's attacking?

jolly african-american

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- Sun, 02 Jul 2017 17:29:16 EST 9uFbRE+4 No.208264
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when will it be socially acceptable for a white person to say jolly african-american? And why is it THAT offensive to begin with? We give the power to words. I get that nowadays we're still relatively fresh out of Jim Crowe and things race relations are still kind of tense but surely eventually there will come a time somewhere down the line where we finally have perfect equality, will the word still be offensive? What about when we all look about the same a thousand years from now, will it still be offensive THEN?

I'm not trying to be edgy here, even though I personally think it's stupid to let sound waves cause so much trauma, I don't say the word around people I know it will offend (at this point mostly everyone). I'm just really curious when it will stop.

Also do you think we'll keep inventing new words to be offended by or will we finally get passed this?
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Sophie Banderway - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 05:37:58 EST 9MuVP7BI No.208319 Reply
This is my opinion.

Western society should not tolerate or permit reactionary violence.

If you call someone a name and he lays you out he accepts the consequences this might bring. BUT IT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY as an individual to own up for his actions and therefore he should be at fault for not showing the restrain that an Asian person would show.

If you called an Asian person a name and he lashed out at you, you would probably tell him to calm down, and if he attacked you, that's the action he decided to take as an individual.

It's so bad because black people are conditioned socially and white civilization is too often in agreement. If a black person is called a word, he MUST use violence, and well, the other guy deserves it.

I understand the history of the word, that's not an excuse for violence, which should be viewed as a disproportionate reaction that has no place in a civilized society.

Have the strength to call him a pussy white boy with a small dick & walk away and if he continues to challenge you, beat him until he learns what respect it - that is proportional, and it's what real men do.
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Angus Wizzlemidge - Wed, 02 Aug 2017 09:01:20 EST CQFMNQ4/ No.208320 Reply
I think it is childish to get pissed off over a word and intent is everything.

To me, jolly african-american is basically comparable as big stinky doo-doo head. It is just a word and I'm not going to get pissed off over it. Now if someone is shouting racial slurs and acting they are going to fight then it is a threat. But just using the word isn't bad. I also hate how people are so uptight about racial slurs. It seems to me that they are always quick to say motherfucker, cunt, cock etc without a mere flinch and that isn't "polite" either. So it doesn't make any sense, so humans.

It may be condescending but only little and insecure people get their panties in a bunch over a sound you make with your vocal chords. Pens and swords do a million times more damage.
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Augustus Blackdock - Sat, 20 Jan 2018 16:10:50 EST RH79YvEw No.208617 Reply
>>208320
What intent could you possibly have using the word that isn't racist, aside from the obvious examples (quotes or song lyrics). White people who just really wanna use the word without being vindicated, probably don't have very real problems. Notice how they trivialize the meanings of words in attempt to downplay the seriousness of real life, where racism is much more than a word

how do i study ethics of AI

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- Thu, 04 May 2017 22:37:43 EST pvzTt7LE No.208110
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What academic discipline would things like Ethics of artificial intelligence, internet privacy, the implications and possibly negative societal consequences of having free, uncontrolled information via the internet fall under?

I've been reading about the history of the internet, books on psychology and internet addiction and how people are getting fucked up in the head from too much twitter and 4chinz. It's super fascinating, especially with everyone shitting their pants about "fake news", but i have no direction with how to formally study this shit.

Public Policy? Grad school for philosophy? Law? how do i study tech ethics in school
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I smell chaos all over the damn place

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- Sat, 17 Jun 2017 08:59:34 EST Sm7nPCsL No.208243
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What would happen if the world changes faster than people, and can that happen indefinitely?

In the Nordic countries, the amount of children going through a sex change is increasing every year. This is all good or not depending on what you think but the undeniable thing is that this is a big change taking place. Maybe just one of many examples of big change. What i fear is that the current social order and history has lead humanity to a certain point, it's a world where culture can't keep up with all the changes yet at the same time there is no alternative to this obsolete culture.

It's like because our reality is different, we become different but we don't even have time to adjust.
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Augustus Monnerhat - Tue, 25 Jul 2017 08:06:14 EST Sm7nPCsL No.208294 Reply
>>208292

The irony is that i simply mentioned ts children, proves how sensitive the issue is.
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Isabella Sonningfuck - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:44:22 EST 8gq7GAVV No.208295 Reply
>>208290
>You two need to calm down.

Says the fag crying about shit no one cares.
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James Crappersutch - Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:52:00 EST Sm7nPCsL No.208296 Reply
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>>208295

I don't know seems like some people had a lot to say in this thread, maybe they can read what it's actually about. So yeah, calm down and suck on a pacifier.

Anger masturbation

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- Sun, 19 Mar 2017 00:56:11 EST 9xHHmrI5 No.207907
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It seems like most people these days aren't looking to engage in what is classically considered a "discussion" or even a "debate". People have become so entrenched ideologically that it makes discussion and exchange of ideas all but impossible.

I don't think it's nostalgic to say that the rhetoric of this period is more polarized than it was a 5 years or even a decade ago at least in the context of American politics. When people have a difference of opinion there is no discussion there is only the reinforcement of preconceived notions and the stroking of the anger boner. People have come to enjoy the righteous anger they feel when their lighting up someone who has the "wrong" political opinion.

This sort of thing happened in the past but it was mint everyone doing it to each other all the time. Everything has devolved to the point where it's a nonstop rage masturbation fest on both sides. No one wants to learn, no one wants to admit that they might be wrong, no one wants to actually solve any problems. They just want to be right and someone else be wrong, we've all become addicted to the feeling of being righteously angry at the people we believe are "wrong".
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Nigel Gepperpad - Sat, 10 Jun 2017 04:19:16 EST TXzq2wrO No.208228 Reply
>>208227
Exactly.

Human ideas and inventions are just like evolutionary features. Doesn't matter which animal evolves the features, they'll show up eventually. And they will keep showing up among multiple species throughout time.

Reality as is enforces that certain thoughts are constructed, and certain inventions are made.
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Shit Carryfield - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:52:41 EST jDHD98qF No.208254 Reply
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>>207915
>we don't have records of the kind of awful shit people might shout at you in the street in ancient Athens
Just an interesting note; we kind of do have this. Or more accurately, we have some graffiti from Ancient Rome, and it's actually pretty similar to modern day bullshit. Like one example says 'Theophilus, don’t perform oral sex on girls against the city wall like a dog' and If anyone sits here, let him read this first of all: if anyone wants a screw, he should look for Attice; she costs 4 sestertii'. So perhaps you are right, at least in your idea that people then and people now are basically the same then and now.



I wrote an essay a while back saying something similar, in fact. That rather than the tail end of human existence, this is just a new stage of humanity. We're just getting the truth faster and harder than people ever have before. And yes, that sudden new burst of stimuli kinda fucks with your ability to function. We need to get used to dealing with all this new information, learn how to exist with it. Most of human behavior is learned, in fact some very credible scientists think that even emotions may be learned(not that they don't exist, but happy/sad/angry/etc are made up ways to represent thousands of brain states that could be classified differently). It's sorta like we hit (another) puberty as an entire race. Now's that awkward period where we're insufferably and maybe even a bit self-harming as we learn to deal with these new ways of thinking, feeling, and acting.

I mean people thought New York City was coming to an end a while ago. The Economist Thomas Malthus predicted that it'd be buried in horse shit. Because you know, when the main mode of transportation for a major city shits multiple times a day it's only a matter of time before it all builds up. And apparently it was believable because the streets really were filling up with horse shit. But then someone came up with the car, and those worries disappeared. Ingenuity saved the day then, and I don't see any reason why human ingenuity won't likely save the day now. Whether it's in the form of some ridiculously awesome invention, or just people learning to live with one another.

And learning to live with one another is the main thing. I see all sorts of people throwing around all sorts of phrases. Alt-rightism, post-modernism, ancapism, libertarianism, etc etc etc but it's all bullshit. We have two hundred posts of that here but all it ended up as an academic exercise that amounts to the debate version of ping pong. And that's what happens every time.


If you really wanna solve anything you have to ask why that is. Why can't we all sit down and have a discussion as humans about connectedness and humanity? Are we too jaded as a culture to have a sincere discussion about love without nullifying it every five minutes? Is it just too boring, would we rather entertain ourselves arguing about subjects where we can yell about Postmodernism and namedrop Hegel and Nietzsche?

I know that sounds stupid and lame and whatever, but I know it works from personal experience. I won't give too many details to prevent another flame war, but I'm part of a minority group and I'm part of organizations that ally with other groups, minority and otherwise, to work together and affect positive change. Even though there's a lot more talk of caring about one another than political theory, we've gotten some pretty big changes in police departments and the way they handle mental illness, in affordable housing, and in other stuff. All that to say, I'm beginning to doubt that acting like you know better than everyone else is REALLY the best way to improve things. Don't get me wrong, I grew up on the internet so that stuff comes second nature to me as much as anyone else here. But I'm finding that making real change is a lot more lame and less-impassioned than a philosophical debate on post-structuralism.
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James Finnerwater - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:47:08 EST 3LVcJZJN No.208257 Reply
>>208254
Doesn't it fellate the anger that the demand stays in place while the means falls apart.

Lacan and the Otaku Culture

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- Sun, 02 Apr 2017 05:39:00 EST 1EiSvWRE No.207959
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Greetings /pss/

I've got an upcoming thesis that requires a Lacanian psychoanals on the Otaku culture, to be specific on the emerging of Online Mobile Games (Mobage) trends. How could they become popular, how could the users willing to spend thousands of kachings on it, and how it become a subculture not only in Japan but also in other countries.

I'm still a noob in Lacan, while I'm also learning it myself, can you help me on where to start or a good route to understand it enough to use it as an analysis tool?

Thanks inb4
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Walter Clezzledudge - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:54:09 EST UgAS1X+C No.208251 Reply
Lacan proposes that the mirror phase creates an illusion of independence. In freud and even some modern psychology, and even modern views found here and on the news. The it isn't an illusion it is the standard we should judge ourselves by and we are as sufficiently infantile as the imposition of that distorted super ego critique suggests. And our failures to live up to it, our neurosis's are still charted along that development to live up to it. Suggesting the adult world impressed in that distortion of a super imago as existing as it restricts us then.

Lacan suggested that the mirror phase both biologically and linguistically as understood in humans is more like a misunderstanding. You can't see the supporting frames and buttresses that still hold up that independent image from the other side of the mirror, much like you can't see the strings and supports that hold up a puppet or a piece of architecture succesfully couched in space.

this is because of the depths of reflection that give possibilities in self reflection both physical and mental, but the lack of human understanding(crossing over into philosophy) about the "behind-ness" or "underneathness" of human perception or what it takes to authentically be couched in physical space.

lacan is basically propositioning that as humans we are afraid of dependence, so we don't see how dependence and support is neccessary in the self. In the light of the mirror image we think is favored by society.
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Walter Clezzledudge - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:15:16 EST UgAS1X+C No.208252 Reply
>>208251

It about the inability to see that the statement and the self reflection exist in and out of the same state that occurs in an image in film or theatre. When we approach it without suspension we fall prey to anxietys produced by ads and movies and society itself because we don't embrace self reflexive or going into how that is working.

On the otherside we don't realize reality without it, because it's distinct from "the real" because of the idea that to make something "more real" in our concious beliefs about reality we hide our manipulation and editing of it we don't reach reality by caving into the real either.

Embracing how it's being made and the production of what's happening within that construction is like seeing the net and seeing the weaving. essentially ignoring the man behind the curtain, or the very real existence of our heart, intellect, and courage as symbol/ic we don't have reality.
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Walter Clezzledudge - Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:30:21 EST UgAS1X+C No.208253 Reply
>>208252
For the otaku part you might want to fucus on the collection of symbols, in an order with improvisation and contextual logic related to gathering of symbols. These games suggest skill and a pop up wind out, interlocking finding or achievement of symbols. In a ground, as expressed in the actual puzzle board, that is chaotic or in flux in it's logic and constancy. Impulse is attracted and seems to have a part to play on the road to skill, but suffers a critique in the reason it is present in the games. Or in order to get you to pay more money.

It's game is chaotic or flux in it's logic and justification. Suggesting unfairness and pay barriers and traps for a person. But impulse is also achieving justification and making perspective. More literally how you play it will determine interaction.

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