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- Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:21:03 EST 54PBc7Id No.207325
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Let's wax philosophical about Fidel Castro. The guy just died, but he was a living legend. Many loved him, many hated him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro

I think it would be awesome if we could discuss something like this in-depth. Like, if any of you are familiar with Castro, you should tell us how you feel about Castro and why. I don't want people coming in and being like, 'Oh he was just a cunt dictator' or 'Oh he was a hero', I want you guys to actually reference things Castro has done when you mention your opinion of him. Like, I think it'd be great if we could talk about the specifics of his presidency and rebellion.
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Shitting Foddlechine - Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:32:27 EST 54PBc7Id No.207326 Reply
Personally, I'm a fan of Castro thus far. I've heard some pretty fucked up things about him, of course, who hasn't, but at the same time I highly revere him for his leadership.

Before his rebellion, the USA was using Cuba as their own personal shitting ground. US gangs owned Cuban cocaine plantations and US corporations own Cuban sugar plantations, and the USA was using Havana as their off-the-records drug-smuggling hub via the CIA (this was eventually proven). Not only that, but the USA had elected Batista into the presidency of Cuba, and Batista quickly deemed himself official Dictator of Cuba and then started mercilessly persecuting Cubans whenever he wanted. The guy would behead dozens of people publicly in a day over nothing.

So Fidel and Raul Castro start a revolution for the people by the people and then enlist the help of South American/African warlord Che Guevara and then they successfully uninstall Batista and replace him with a man who actually loved his people (Fidel) but then Cuba was quickly invaded by the USA, indirectly. The USA funded and weaponized Batista supporters in Cuba and initiated the Bay of Pigs, which failed, thankfully. So with Fidel in power, Cuba became nationalized and all foreign-owned goods were seized by the Cuban government and gangsters and CIA members were all thrown out of Havana. I think this was all very heroic on Fidel and Raul's part.

However, as you all know, things got very ugly after that. Cuba ordered a shipment of weaponry to defend themselves from the USA, only for the entire shipment to be blown up out at sea. Most of the world blamed the USA for this, all through no one was proven guilty of this. So then Russia gets in the mix and offers Castro nuclear missiles to defend himself (and Russia) from the USA, sort of like how the USA installed nuclear missiles in Turkey incase of a Russian problem. But as you know, those missiles never got the Cuba thanks to the USA yet again. After that, though, the USA gave up on Cuba. Fidel Castro won against the USA and the CIA, however, the USA in turn isolated Cuba from the global economy, which I think is the main cause of Cuba's current lack of success even outside their socialism.

If you read into Fidel's character, you'll notice he was a brilliant tactician even outside of war. He had brains and he had balls. Sure, he persecuted people, but I don't hold it against him in the same way I don't hold it against people like Saddam, because they live in a different climate than we do. We don't have to worry about violent rebellions in the USA, but in third-worlds like Cuba and Iraq you have to forcibly deal with violent rebel groups via violence. I think people look at places like Cuba with too much of a first-world POV.

Well, that's my stance on Fidel. I'd love to hear your side of the story.
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Phoebe Conderpick - Mon, 28 Nov 2016 20:16:45 EST vs7quCaP No.207328 Reply
>>207326
That's the best defense of Justin Trudeau's dad, that I've ever heard.
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Shitting Ducklock - Tue, 29 Nov 2016 04:38:01 EST IrZRf8kt No.207329 Reply
he was a cunt dictator and a hero. he was also cuban and had a beard.
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Ernest Brablinghuck - Tue, 06 Dec 2016 08:48:17 EST hvrM9XMO No.207405 Reply
Actually Castro didn't have much to do with Cuban domestic affairs as much as people say. Cuba does have an democratic domestic government that's mostly based on small local governments. Its not some absolute dictatorship like best korea. Castro's job is basically keep the fascists/capitalists/CIA out of Cuba and that's it. He killed many people to do this but so does every state frankly. To top that off he's killed far less than Batista or the CIAs +600 assassination attempts.

Also every town gets a road, clinic, school, and utilities. Even the remote hill regions. You can't say that about american Appalachia.

And then there is Cuba's army of doctors. They don't have the best medical equipment in Cuba (because embargo) but they do have the best doctors in the world and their number 1 export is doctors, which they more or less give away for free. They have more doctors volunteering in africa than any other nation. Then there was that time when Castrwio offered doctors to help with Katrina but Bush wouldn't let that happen.

But those nice things aren't really because of Castro but because of the people of Cuba getting their poop in a group which Castro gave them the opportunity to do.
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Nell Duckleforth - Tue, 06 Dec 2016 11:18:34 EST 54PBc7Id No.207406 Reply
>>207405
I'd love to see some sources on that. I want some verification of these solid deeds.
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Polly Debberwater - Tue, 06 Dec 2016 19:43:16 EST hvrM9XMO No.207416 Reply
>>207405
Which points would you like verified?

Here's the Katrina one:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9311876/ns/us_news-katrina_the_long_road_back/t/katrina-aid-cuba-no-thanks-says-us/
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/09/05/katrina.cuba/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina
> Cuba: One of the first countries to offer aid, Cuba offered to send 1,586 doctors and 26 tons of medicine. This aid was rejected by the State Department.[18] Also, before the 2006 World Baseball Classic, Cuba said they would donate their share of the winnings to Katrina victims to ensure the United States embargo against Cuba was not violated. However, after the tournament, the U.S. government refused to allow the donation.
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James Goodspear - Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:33:47 EST d4DXKOh3 No.207450 Reply
A guy on Belgian TV had a very nuanced look on Castro.

The guy was a dictator and has done some really fucked up shit. Cuba is also in pretty bad shape.

But compared to other countries in Latin-America, he did pretty well - I mean they're better off than Haiti, and he wasn't fucking absolute evil, like Pinochet and his cronies.
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the flicker (Seinesgleichen geschieht) !FwnV7hV52I - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 01:18:50 EST DDgF44Bp No.207506 Reply
>>207450
>Pinochet
That's the crux of the whole thing, isn't it? Pinochet assumed power in a US-backed coup. For more than a century, the US did things like occupy Latin American countries, back right-wing death squads, oust democratically elected socialist leaders, and alone, Castro's Cuba successfully resisted. The amount of resources that the CIA invested in toppling the government of a tiny, irrelevant nation is almost as mind-boggling as the fact that they failed. Castro held onto power despite the ruinous economic damage of US sanctions and hundreds of coup and assassination plots. For that I must admire him.
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John Fanson - Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:12:40 EST vzTBl2h4 No.207507 Reply
>>207325
He was just a cunt dictator, but I can't deny that he was also a hero.
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Charles Pibberhedge - Fri, 30 Dec 2016 11:05:50 EST 54PBc7Id No.207525 Reply
I read some clickbait article today, '15 reasons why Che Guevara wasn't a hero.'
I thought it was hilarious. Just goes to show how fucking ridiculous people are.

I call them ridiculous because they considered Che a hero to begin with. Why would anyone consider a South American/African Communist warlord a hero? Oh, that's right, because his face is on a fucking t-shirt and he was an enemy of the USA.

These same retards think Fidel wasn't the hero. Why don't people know anything about history? Is history class in school pointless?

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