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Yes, the Occupy movement pretty much immediately derailed itself, mostly because it was run by mental children and the dispossessed, rather than genuine revolutionaries. Obama pardoning execs was unfortunate, but I honestly don't believe that any president would have done differently. For reference, I'm an utopian socialist who believes that genuine socialism is currently impossible technologically and that capitalism is the only viable tool to bridge the gap and so must be utilized even when icky.
I would have no problem with policing if policing were perfect. In my ideal world, all cops are robots, and you can be sure they are applying justice evenly because you can analyze their program. In reality there will always be problems with policing as long as it is carried out by humans, because humans are stupid and flawed.
I believe the laws against all kinds of consensual behavior are immoral, so not just weed, but all drugs, also prostitution, gambling, and euthanasia ought to be legal, and I even feel some current firearm restrictions go too far.
So no, I don't want cops stopping random people who happen to choose to use heroin, or happen to feel the need to carry a gun to defend themself, because I feel like every human has the 'right' (to spill this shit across two threads) to do that. Especially since I know they aren't going to be stopping Jimbob in the wife-beater with a bag of ice and a .45 in his britches but Leeroy sagging with the crack-pipe and glock, because I mean, wouldn't you? And it's wrong, it's not just wrong in a 'oh my heart is bleeding too much' sense, it's wrong in a statistical, empirical, data analytical kind of way.
And I mean I agree that Chicago in particular has a serious problem, but violence isn't the answer to combat violence. Massive amounts of money need to be spent on social programs tailored to their situation, and also the city government and police force probably need a complete change-out with fresh, non-corrupt blood. Honestly putting money into actual community initiatives would cost a tithe of 'sending in the Feds' and actually have a chance of working. If you get hard, they get harder. The way to counter force is not always more force, but sometimes simply re-direction.
So, in my ideal society, I would be okay and in fact very in favor of a strong police force, it the police force were only tasked with stopping and investigating murders, assaults and rapes, protecting legitimate private property with carefully appropriate force, enforcing restraining orders and child safety laws, and keeping the roadways safe. All other police activities I see as really being illegal attempts to turn the police into a para-military societal control force, which is what leads to such abuse and disrespect of what should be a noble, peacekeeping role.
To your more abstract question of when is it alright to infringe the freedom of the individual for the benefit of society, my response is that because the individual is a member of society is is never in society's genuine interest to harm itself, and so the seeming benefit of doing such a thing is a kind of intellectual mirage. 'I'm society and my members hurt me so I'm going to hurt them back' is the same logic as the criminal's 'I'm a member of society and society hurt me so I'm going to hurt it back' and would lead us to exactly the kind of blind, toothless world the 'eye for an eye' guy warned us about.
It is a false dichotomy and we are only trapped in it if we put ourselves in it mentally. Again, the answer is not to counter force with force, but with re-direction. If an individual is trying to harm the system directly or indirectly, and they are a part of that system, then it is self-harm resulting from a flaw in either the system or the individual which we can logically determine and rationally work to correct. Creating these absolute categories and insisting on putting everything in one or the other, society vs the individual, criminals vs the just, ascribes too much reality to our mental models, and if we adopt that kind of thinking blindly we walk straight into an echo chamber that can easily become a gas chamber. Just food for thought!