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- Fri, 13 Jan 2017 23:44:07 EST oDJItcGo No.207590
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Have y'all ever had the pleasure of being called out? I know the supposed purpose is this is to warn others about "dangerous" people but in practice I don't think I've ever seen it used like that. It's all nothing more than insecure people trying to outshame each other, usually hypocritically. Most fandom drama I've seen is played out exactly like that.

I'd put it on kids being immature, but grown adults do this sort of thing all the time. I think part of it is because people are jealous of other people's talents, so they target creators whose abilities they covert and hide behind the excuse of them drawing porn of children's cartoons of something.

I just wonder what motivates people to get so angry at cartoon drawings they have to attempt to destroy a person's life.
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Nicholas Snodworth - Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:46:15 EST FSAozKjO No.207592 Reply
Is this a new maymay or something?

I don't know what you mean by called out in this context
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Eugene Drecklesane - Sat, 14 Jan 2017 21:35:15 EST iAquTtgI No.207594 Reply
Did you mean shout out culture? Like when your on TV or the radio and you shout out your friends?
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Isabella Crinnersag - Sat, 14 Jan 2017 23:43:17 EST EVQrAmbi No.207596 Reply
>>207590
I took it as OP talking about "See something, say something"
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Martha Fashford - Sun, 15 Jan 2017 12:34:25 EST HLvcVSLF No.207603 Reply
forgive me, I'm in my late 20s.

what the fuck is callout culture?
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Nathaniel Hacklenurk - Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:58:46 EST Am93n9Du No.207616 Reply
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>>207603
I've personally never been a part of an incident, but will try to represent my understanding of what calling someone out would be. It could be someone in a circle of friends, an organization, or a part of a broad movement, where their wrongdoing is made public. For example some dude has a pattern of molestation after getting drunk together, so one of the victims puts them on blast in that circle. Others in the circle speak up about similar experiences in the past. Drama ensues, maybe some sort of restitution process so the dude may make amends, but generally after being burned like that they aren't allowed at certain spaces and events, so they move elsewhere, no longer seen again.

Basically ostracized for doing something messed up.

I think it has its merits if used right, but it really has to be justified in a way that if their misdeeds weren't made public then the same thing could happen to others. Being called out for cartoon drawings really doesn't cut it because the drawings don't involve anyone else besides the artist. Being shamed in private for grotesque or lewd drawings is different than being publicly called out.

Skimmed a few articles and there seems to be contradictions about its meaning. Callout culture as I understand it was formed and practiced within radical circles, some of those networks were destroyed by successive call-outs, leaving a sense of distrust and vehemence. Alot of these articles discussing being called out for their words or beliefs rather than their actions are misplaced. It should involve in real life interactions, not discussions on the internet. There seems to be a push for a new accountability process, to not air dirty laundry, except in extreme cases, and resolve rather than ostracize.

Here's some interesting articles mostly in opposition, the latter link has a list of eight: https://sarahditum.com/2014/02/23/bad-faith-justice-ethics-of-the-call-out/
http://www.guerrillafeminism.org/guerrilla-feminist-digital-activist-resource-center/call-out-in-culture/

In one "The Problem with Callout Culture" the author gives an example:
>In my own industry, adult film, callout tactics were employed by a group of insiders in the case of James Deen, an actor who had long been accused of violent behaviour. This led several companies to take action and drop Deen from their roster. Callouts can be a way for victims and their allies to put their foot down and say, “No. This thing is not acceptable.” Thanks to the power of social media, such actions can leverage the power of networks to quickly create awareness and bring change.
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Edward Bardhall - Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:13:29 EST gsKdDIcO No.207626 Reply
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OP I'm calling you out for being a total poser BITCH.

You didn't even activate your augmentations you laughable pathetic fool, here is the true hacking master gif
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Priscilla Bruvingbidge - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:19:35 EST sfkigPxv No.207629 Reply
>>207590

Public shaming can be an effective tool for correcting errant behavior however it tends to cut both ways. Also there's the question of legitimacy; is the person being called out actually guilty?
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Jarvis Greenforth - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 09:46:59 EST 54PBc7Id No.207632 Reply
>>207629
Very true.

Vigilantiism is soooo fucking popular right now. 'What do you mean you won't punch a fucking Nazi!? You must be a Nazi!'
'Love Trumps Hate. Let's assault every person in a Trump pin for the protection of our minority friends.'
Sure, these are extreme cases that aren't at all normal, but the mentality, the ideology, the willingness to be OK with seeing people commit acts of violence against 'Nazis' has become so rampant that you could probably kill an innocent person so long as they're publicly branded 'a Nazi' and like everybody would just be cool with you, or maybe even love you for being the person actually fighting for 'the cause', 'the cause' being a complete annihilation of free thought that is too far-right.

>>207626
Best fucking gif ever.
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Fuck Sungerkire - Tue, 24 Jan 2017 19:15:01 EST 58c+uNGL No.207634 Reply
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>>207616
Okay. I'm really going to try to sound coherent here.

This is the stupidest fucking thing I've read today..... And I've been on circlejerks political boards.... And to be clear I understand that you're just sharing your understanding of this so I am by no means accusing you of intellectual woo.

I'm not the person you responded to for the record. But I'm also in my "late" 20s.... I'm 26 soon to be 27 for transparency sake..

A question and observations to follow.

First the question.

Why would you conflate actual criminal behavior with the social concept of the "scarlet letter?"

Observations:

If a person, to use your example, has a pattern of sexual assault in some way when they are drunk. That's what police are for! That's a crime. That is not morally or "criminally" equivalent of just being an asshole, e.g, adultery, random racism, etc...

When a person commits a crime, it seems to me, that is criminal and more specifically violent in nature that requires something, how should i say it, more severe. Perhaps I'm old fashioned.

If a person is JUST a dickhole and needs to be make to be publicly available accusation okay... but being a fuck-head ultimately isn't a crime...

If what James Deen was accused of was true then simply "shaming" them is absolutely NOT the way to deal with offenders...


What the hell happened to reason...
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Edwin Hickleket - Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:19:46 EST /8HhZCXH No.207642 Reply
In all honesty I've only given a cursory glance at what you've posted because I don't have a whole lot of time but I'd like to give my likely misinformed opinion.

I don't know if I've heard of this but I don't think that this kind of social shaming is really very effective at correcting behavior nor does it ultimately HAVE to have an impact on the person being shamed. If someones social group just decides to ostracize them for something they've done I don't think they had a very strong connection to begin with. If the people you associate with don't fully embrace who you are to the point nothing could cause them to act like this then it might be a useful wake-up call to the person being shamed. We live in a big world where lots of people like lots of things that could be considered "deviant" by the majority of people. I'd think it's ultimately healthier to find a peer group that's open and accepting, even if it's for the most part via the Internet, than try to hide something. Whether the explanation is "I draw cartoon porn for the money" or "I draw cartoon porn because I get off on it" I can guarantee there are enough people who have absolutely no problem with that that anyone could still find meaningful relationships. It's harder sure, but impossible. When I took up drugs I had a few friends who were accepting of it (mostly because they did/wanted to do it with me) but most of my friends wouldn't have been if they had known. I cut those people out gradually without causing them any distress or giving them a "this is who I am take it or leave it" kind of thing because I knew they would leave it. I started slowly surrounding myself with different people and I feel as though after just two short years these relationships are as strong as the ones I had with my lifelong former friends. It's really difficult to "shame" someone in an age when almost everything is OK with at least some group of people. Even if it means being cut off completely from your family of origin, there will always be other people out there.
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Sidney Brullerchat - Fri, 27 Jan 2017 01:47:22 EST hvs4h/ox No.207643 Reply
the philosophy of why it and how it happened to then.

Often when we can't find the resolution to that and we find each other in that engagement and the supposed reason for such activity in disrepair we are stuck in an infinite loop of what it means to have been called out on a thing.

Some people continue to do it because it happened to then.

Like how a person may treat you with a certain regard because that is how they were treated.

It all has to do with standards and supposed keeping and perception of them and reasons for them.

You could also be drawn into the middle by the need for your own personal standard and the keeping of it in a time of crisis.

How often do a random sampling of posters on pss answer a thread even though they may feel the topic is insincere out of the process of keeping a standard in philosophy about what it can do.

This allows us to go for hours in debate with a hollocaust denier on the basis that at one point in time we may have had the argument about historicity being devalued in philosophy.

When in most obvious and apparent categories the poster has not drawn or asserted any of these arguments but has instead put something that would seem to be a troll on pol.

Because we have unfinished business with such things in the past we are tireless in that pursuit.

Leading for determination but also explanations for why so many people when hearing of a cause against a cartoonist for plagiarism or religious events; get sucked into weighing in even if there intiial concern isn't tied to the argument they become involved in over the course of the social course of the issue.

Or mistaken identity. Looking like a sympathizer for a cause, and the ensuing conflict because you may feel sympathy for those sympathizers. And so on.
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Cyril Blytheshit - Fri, 27 Jan 2017 23:47:05 EST Am93n9Du No.207644 Reply
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>>207634
The radical circles that popularized call-outs were also opposed to law enforcement and the legal system. They were trying to develop means to deal with offenses on their own without involving the law. Unfortunately there aren't viable alternatives to law enforcement right now when it comes to severe wrongdoing.

In the yellow-text example i'm not sure why the police weren't involved, maybe the victims didn't want to go that far, but still wanted to protect other fellow pornstar coworkers from harm.

True this is more pol than pss, if that's what you mean Sidney .
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George Dummledale - Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:42:12 EST 54PBc7Id No.207653 Reply
>>207644
So true and wise.

They reject the police because they're being lied to. They think the police are some sort of gang, like in Mexico. They say things like, 'You'll think differently when the police shoot your son!'
Americans are wrapped in paranoia, especially surrounding the police. Literally every encounter I've had with the police, while breaking a law or not, have been very cool and chill, and the police clearly just cared about making sure everything was safe. Except for this one time a cop tried to fight me when I was 17 and bike riding in the Jersey Shore. I'm sad I didn't call the police to file an official complaint about that 20-something steroided-up little fucker.
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Cedric Dommlestone - Tue, 31 Jan 2017 00:01:11 EST 58c+uNGL No.207658 Reply
>>207644
I don't mean to challenge you sir. Because I am absolutely fascinated by what you've said. Could you name any of these "radical circles" by name or are you just generally associating that with the anti-authoritarian left?
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Molly Subberfield - Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:55:39 EST Am93n9Du No.207668 Reply
>>207658
Please, challenge all you like. Yeah I was speaking in general regarding the anti-authoritarian left. Sometimes drama would bubble-up on the internet. Though no specific examples come to mind.
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Rebecca Bozzleway - Fri, 03 Feb 2017 05:14:04 EST YONArVoZ No.207684 Reply
Now I remember why I don't come here, /pss/ is the most enthusiasmal board on the site.

nb

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