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- Wed, 08 Mar 2017 10:30:15 EST 54PBc7Id No.207850
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What's up with family? What's up with heritage?
These things mean literally nothing to me, yet I notice so many people championing these things. Why do they do this?
Family is a group of people you share genetics with, who you have no choice of selecting, and heritage is people/events that have happened long in the past that you may be connected to genetically.
I don't understand the point in being proud of your heritage; you had nothing to do with it. I don't understand the point of being proud of your family; they're not you, nor are they people you've chosen to have in your life. And I don't understand the point of loving people simply because you share a genetic bond; there's nothing special about my genetics or anyone's genetics, really.

So what's up with this stuff? Why is it so significant to people?
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Jarvis Wosslegold - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 13:32:45 EST d4DXKOh3 No.207851 Reply
People are retarded. People are weak.

People want to feel proud without accomplishing anything.

That's all there is to it really.
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Caroline Nossleshaw - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 15:13:03 EST 54PBc7Id No.207852 Reply
>>207851
LOL I totally agree. But I mean I still wanted to ask.
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Nathaniel Bardfuck - Thu, 09 Mar 2017 01:35:00 EST Am93n9Du No.207854 Reply
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>>207850
Maybe initially for survival and comradery. Because of the bonds between infant and parents made at birth. Perpetuation of that specific genome, somewhat. For inheritance of things and titles, of labor, skills, and culture. Something to belong to? An informal support network. And because holidays.

Any of that hogwash reason to love, nah, ya either do or ya don't.
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Fucking Dendlepork - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 09:03:38 EST yejEFop0 No.207860 Reply
>>207850
I don't really care about my own family, but that's because they treated me like shit and abused me. Family, in practice, should be the people you can trust the most, but we all know that it doesn't always work out like that.

It is really hard to find your own identity though. Certainly not impossible, but hard. It's one of the reasons you have people pining for those mother/father relationships they never had, and they end up being exploited. Would life be better if I had a better male role model. Certainly, but the same can be said about a lot of things I didn't have. It's irritating to hear people who were raised in single parent homes are doomed. They definitely have a harder time, but it by no means that their fate is sealed. Maybe that's something people tell themselves because it makes them not challenge themselves. Like defeatism.

I don't know what can be done about this thing. People come and go all the time. Even family.
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Reuben Daffinglock - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:52:08 EST Ya59RsKY No.207866 Reply
People are always looking for things to believe in and connect to. Which is what everyone else is saying, but I think also a big part of the reason it's so huge for so many people is that for a large part of human history there really wasn't anything else to do but hang out with people related to you. Nowadays, you can identify with and spend your time on pretty much anything under the sun, because you have the ability to find out about anything under the sun, but for 99% of human history all you could ever even know about or experience was all the other shlubs who happen to live in the same crappy place you do. So you wouldn't even have anything else to get excited about or build up significance into.

That's my take on it anyway, I was raised in a generally backwater place where people put an outsized importance on family, and I came to feel like it wasn't that they were choosing to be so fixated on it, but just out of the limited field of their experience there wasn't anything else worth fixating on. From here we could take a look at how the fact that industriality generates new options for spending time is what creates the opportunity for the erosion of the social fabric, but I'll let someone else take up that charge if wanted
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Emma Bunridge - Fri, 10 Mar 2017 18:07:11 EST jDHD98qF No.207868 Reply
>>207850
Generally these are the people you can rely on the most. That varies from culture to culture, though. Some cultures are more collectivist, and there it makes more sense, and others are individualistic and it almost doesn't make sense because everyone's in it for themselves anyways. Not saying either one is necessarily better. It just makes sense, though. When everyone is willing to play by the rules of sacrificing for your family and people, everyone benefits. When they don't, well then everyone's in it for themselves. That's okay though, capitalism says competition and selfishness is good for innovation so we're going to have the very best security systems to keep everyone else out.
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Cyril Hirringlodge - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:04:34 EST UJnj5mgn No.207924 Reply
these things are vehicles by which the ever insatiable ego can puff itself up even further

>not only am I amazing, but so is my entire ancestral line, because i come from the best land of all lands, ha ha i am best!
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Frederick Driblingtack - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:32:06 EST TZEgBuHq No.207927 Reply
>What's up with family?

Without your family you wouldn't exist or you'd be dead, assuming you weren't rescued by some third party

>What's up with heritage?

Your culture is what your ancestors have been building for years and years, and there's a lot of value that comes with the cultures we're lucky enough to inherit. You're basically asking what the value of culture is. Heritage is accumulated culture across time and generations.

>These things mean literally nothing to me, yet I notice so many people championing these things. Why do they do this?

Because they know that without the human beings in their inner circle, which in most cases has the family at the center, and their culture, they would be swimming in an ocean of chaos and death that they wouldn't be able to deal with at all. The alternative is being born in the wilderness alone and freezing to death immediately or being eaten by something.

>I don't understand the point in being proud of your heritage

Your ancestors produced societies (and survived successfully pre-agriculture, which is in some ways even more remarkable) that allowed their genes to propagate over hundreds of years, which is pretty much a miracle in its unlikelihood, not to mention all the benefits of culture that you benefit from. Without these things you wouldn't have a history, which would mean you wouldn't have any foundation to build the future on, you wouldn't have art, you wouldn't be able to read these words or have any conception of what words are, etc.

>you had nothing to do with it.

Well yes, I don't think anyone should take personal pride in things they really had nothing to do with, but the generations whose shoulders we stand on deserve some credit for all the things they managed to do, even without science. It really is miraculous what they managed to build over centuries through trial and error and ingenuity and through the process of natural selection.

>And I don't understand the point of loving people simply because you share a genetic bond

Well, you don't really have a choice. It's kind of the default unless you're fundamentally broken, or they betray you in such a horrible way that it destroys that relationship.

>there's nothing special about my genetics or anyone's genetics, really.

That isn't true at all. You are the product of thousands of years of natural selection. All of your ancestors managed to survive and propagate in a world that was trying to kill them, and in the context of competition with other people too. Lots of people didn't manage to pass on their genes, or just died. Should I say miracle again?

I say all this as someone who frankly doesn't like most of their family.
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Sidney Bimmlestitch - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:49:00 EST p5PWfvYz No.207931 Reply
>>207927
>you are the product of thousands of years of natural selection.
Natural selection isn't a process . Its closer to the lack of a process. Its fairer to say "you are whats left over after thousands of years of natural selection."
Not trying to be a dick just enthusiasm
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Frederick Driblingtack - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 15:57:38 EST TZEgBuHq No.207932 Reply
>>207931

I see what you're saying I think. Basically life just threw a bunch of shit at the wall and we're what stuck because it worked well enough.
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David Pickdock - Tue, 21 Mar 2017 16:04:27 EST Ya59RsKY No.207933 Reply
>>207931
It's still a process. Process doesn't necessarily imply intention or thought. The reactions of chemistry are described as processes, and occur as an entropic breakdown in the same way that evolution does, yet are still fantastically complex and multi-staged enough to be described as 'processes.'

Not trying to be a dick but just enthusiasming harder.
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Isabella Brucklespear - Wed, 29 Mar 2017 17:00:54 EST uRNFOzYS No.207954 Reply
>>207931
I disagree with you too, but not for David's reasons. I think that natural selection can seem like "a lack of a process" in that randomness has a huge effect on it, however on an evolutionary scale, myriad traits have substantial effects on the results of selection. Not trying to be a dick just aiming for max autis
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Eugene Bublingbanks - Mon, 02 Mar 2020 18:17:10 EST fGHDtkRk No.209999 Reply
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>>209983
>Your heritage is where you have been and without it you wouldn't even exist

if that's all you have you're a pathetic waster, the person who came in your mom and the geographic location in which your mother shat you out is absolutely objectively meaningless

>What you choose on the other hand is pretty random and meaningless

So the things which you DO have personal agency over are random and meaningless, but the things that you don't somehow aren't? How the fuck does this even make sense? How are you this retarded and still capable of using a god damn computer?
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Oliver Feddletore - Mon, 02 Mar 2020 23:23:26 EST uIQOafKw No.210000 Reply
>>209999
>So the things which you DO have personal agency over are random and meaningless, but the things that you don't somehow aren't? How the fuck does this even make sense? How are you this retarded and still capable of using a god damn computer?

Its incredibly telling when theyre stupid enough to lay it bare like this, they managed to fuck their lives up even playing on easy mode and the only thing they can take solace in is an accident of their birth, so of couse they think this way. The way normal people feel about graduating college or landing their dream job or finding a partner they want to spend the rest of their life with these people feel about their complexion, because by and large they'll never experience these things because they're anhedonic toads whose only joy in life comes from the hollow satisfaction they feel when they've made other people online who they'll never even know mad for a moment

Their ideology loses all its power when you realize just how pathetic these people really are
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Henry Ferrystock - Tue, 03 Mar 2020 14:46:34 EST kBvj4hT4 No.210001 Reply
>>210000
>>209999
Genealogy is important information, not for any purpose of status, but because it helps us to know the history of a place and the people who live there. A genealogy is a historical document. Such can also be used a legal affidavit in proving rights to inheritances. That last point is why colonialists seek to disrupt families, because it makes it easier for them to rewrite history and steal things.
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John Bardstock - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:15:33 EST fGHDtkRk No.210002 Reply
>>210001
>because it helps us to know the history of a place and the people who live there

why does that matter though?
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Fanny Blytheford - Wed, 04 Mar 2020 05:45:48 EST IkYNq9wW No.210003 Reply
>>210002
There is the property thing which I mentioned earlier. In many parts of the world, property is inherited, passed on from elders to their descendents. On a more personal level, understanding the family tree can also provide insights into our immediate family members and ourselves. My grandmother is a refugee of the Korean war, and is very clearly living with some extreme PTSD leftover from surviving that situation. She passed on a lot of that trauma to my father by abusing him psychologically, gaslighting, abandoning, etc. Now he's bringing that into my life, and I am trying to end the cycle. Basically the present situation is far easier for me to navigate, since I know who my mum and dad's parents are, as such gives me insights into their unresolved childhood traumas.

As for my ancestors further back, they are the world to me. Literally. When the body breaks down, it doesnt just evaporate out of existence, it gets carried off into the air land and sea by natural forces. I hear them in the roaring waves, the sound of lightning. Death is just a parlor trick. We are always connected.
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Graham Snodforth - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 14:20:26 EST p+7ufF1/ No.210004 Reply
>>210003
>property is inherited, passed on from elders to their descendents
There's people who think that people having a huge advantage in life because hundreds of years ago someone said "this is mine" or killed some people to get shit while in your country people can't afford food and shelter while working full time is a bad thing though.

Taking credit or pride in things you didn't do is dumb. Family does give you a nice sense of history, how you ended up here I agree. But nationalism is stupid. Once it was tribes, then city states. But the truth is when you get past cultural baggage we're all pretty similar. National history is rarely complete and what we get is actually often incomplete to the point it's misleading. Even in the US where it's pretty short and relatively recent and well recorded you don't get the whole story. And then you either cover a poorly recorded history of the Americans or Europeans history which is a mess of different things going on.

Knowing a story about how my country suddenly an empire somehow lots of resources slaves and the industrial revolution happened first is nice but it doesn't actually affect the reality of what so many people did. If we just say "it's the stories that matter" we erase the actions of people. But yet everyone has contributed, even if it's just by being there and doing their thing and thus allowing something else to happen, society has always been a complicated system made of more parts than we can comprehend. Our continuum isn't history, it's the results of our actions. When I die I would like to be remembered, but I'd like to think I had a net positive effect on the world and that reverberated, even if subtle tiny ways for years. And a lot of people did that for us but they were nobody the seamstress and no one the factory worker or they were MP on some constituency no one remembers but voted to change the law along with a bunch of others or they died stalling fascism for a good 70 years ish.

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