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- Tue, 08 May 2018 21:23:25 EST Irsa/pK4 No.209180
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Its evident that anyone who initiates themselves into contemporary United States politics will effectively have no self-agency at all. Notice how Bernard Sanders was brought down and how the obstensively bright Elizabeth Warren is simply ignored and it goes without saying the Republican party is a perverse cabal.

So how can anyone be expected to have confidence in new leadership branded by either group when these impressionable, and desperate, folks must submit to party lines without deviation?

There remains nothing inspiring at all to be witnessed in contemporary United States politics. I have the impression whatever faceless dipshits either party would round up for the next cycle effectively have zero testicles.

My point is, they’re coming for us again, so what exactly gives them any credit whatsoever c o m p a r e d t o a new party, possibly a coalition of defectors, who would be capable of ushering in some delicious innovation?

I presume its been attempted before, even so given the current state of things, they have simply not done it right.
Edwin Fuckingwill - Wed, 09 May 2018 01:05:40 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209183 Reply
Yes, US politics is corrupt. Yes, western democracy is mostly a puppet show. Yes, we theoretically could start some 'new' party but no one would be able to agree on it should be, the old prejudices would re-emerge, and the powers that be would stamp it down before it got anywhere. This happens regularly every handful of years.
Welcome to the world if this is new information for you. Once you get your driver's license and are allowed to drink, you'll realize how painfully obvious this information is, and that if you want to actually contribute you need to come up with a more detailed and specific solution than merely parroting 'wake up sheeple!'
Phineas Wittingfuck - Wed, 09 May 2018 01:42:28 EST Irsa/pK4 No.209184 Reply
Yeah duh, the sheeple are real too and fucking suck.

few people voted, and for idiotic reasons, and in particularly high numbers among the youth. that disappointed me alot. jill stein would have crushed trump and clinton outright on debate. she did it before against mitt romney flat out. but that is a secret.

the green party is for many things that will emancipate young people from the baby boomers. fuck them for trying to control us anymore than what is barely essential. their special dead daddies who fought WWII were men who could fight and win. then usa lost vietnam. victory goes to the communists. nobody likes capitalism, and the youth have nothing to lose from becoming a generation that pushes it aside like it were distracting them from their videogames. but that’s another thing, what about structural shit like energy, infrastructure, communication, and international relations? the youth need the elder generations for that. knowledge .

the whole non-chalant “ politics in the united states is doomed ” act has got to stop. that is what makes you sheeple. and the thing is, the youth have the numbers, literally. they blew a chance to vote for cancellation of all student loan debt. just imagine how much that would liberate. thing is, the commonality of sheeple mentality has prompted people to be idiotic and give up. why? its a matter of telling the youth to pay attention for just a minute and use some fucking brain, fuck what their parents or their bosses say.
Edwin Fuckingwill - Wed, 09 May 2018 15:25:10 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209187 Reply
>>its a matter of telling the youth to pay attention for just a minute and use some fucking brain
But here's the problem, friend. A lot of the youth today *are* using their brains, or at least alleging to, and lo and behold, about 50% of them are trending toward progressive socialism, and about 50% of them are trending toward reactionary fascism. Which means that the same old biological forces that originally drove the population to be about 50/50 liberal/conservative are still very much in play. Nothing has changed about human nature; only the situation on the planet has gotten much more severe.

Championing the green party or any of the other minor parties is a non-starter for US politics. You are ignoring too much of the reality of the situation. I'm not saying to give up, I'm saying that's a fruitless avenue to attack it. As soon as you set up some outside force and say to two entrenched powers 'we're coming to take you over!' then even those two opposing forces have every incentive to do everything it takes to crush you.

From a realpolitik perspective, my suggestion to accomplish the aims you're looking for is to try to infiltrate and shift the tone of the existing parties. Don't tell them their Overton window is stupid, slowly shift it, that's the only way you won't get stamped out by the powers-that-be. Additionally, technology is a much huger force in shaping society and politics than most people realize, because they are like fish in water, blind to it. The whole reason the past few election cycles have been so unusual is because of the influence of technology, not any real societal or intellectual shift. If you build the technology that makes their old system useless and obsolete then it will naturally collapse. The problem is all current ideologies of this flavor want us to jump out of a sinking boat without building another boat for us to get into first. Even someone on a sinking ship can recognize that is foolhardy, and without an alternative will stick to bailing out water.
Phineas Wittingfuck - Wed, 09 May 2018 15:39:56 EST Irsa/pK4 No.209188 Reply
I agree with you. Always figured it would be hilarious if someone fed the USA populace nonsense rhetoric based on religion and being a tough guy that they eat the fuck up, but in actuality apply little by little communist policies and call it by a different “All-American!” name just so for once the entire mass of retards won’t have to struggle with comprehending words like communism, or any fucking “-ism” for that matter, so that focus is shifted onto meaningful projects to improve the objective state of life and civilization.
Edwin Fuckingwill - Wed, 09 May 2018 15:47:28 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209189 Reply
Here, here. This is happening in a major way for 2020. Muricans balked at UBI when it was marketed as UBI, but now one candidate is championing 'flat cash payments' while others are championing 'guaranteed work' and, somehow, people don't realize it's the same thing and are more open to it. It makes me feel bad about the intellectual level of my countrymen, but at least it seems to work.
Phineas Wittingfuck - Wed, 09 May 2018 15:58:57 EST Irsa/pK4 No.209191 Reply
yeah its a shame. people would accept applying plain logic to alleviate social issues, except that natural fear, sexual attraction, etc... are illogical. And their idiotic fathers, realizing this, exert control on the youth via that avenue.

Ideally the illogical aspects of humans would be sublimated into magnificent art, or benign spirituality, and basic sports. The passions of a human are strongest. But logic is to be applied in matters of theory. I think politics is an ongoing theory on helping people get along and especially to create a world where our girlfriends wont have to scream and bitch about retarded shit like their piles of crap and stuff ofno intrinsic value like money.
Fanny Nubbleham - Wed, 09 May 2018 18:44:57 EST 8gq7GAVV No.209192 Reply
Kill the Republican party, and the Democratic party will collapse in warring sub-factions not too dissimilar to the parties you'd find in most West-European countries.

The solution is ready, all you need is to wait for the bullet to hit the skull of the beast.
Jarvis Grimshit - Thu, 10 May 2018 00:56:43 EST Irsa/pK4 No.209193 Reply
If so its absolutely necessary to re-integrate their voting base. These folks have resentments against the left and anything different from themselves in general. We have to recognize the essential integrity of the agrarians across the nation. Much love to the man who raises his own food and ours aswell. It is within our common understanding that a dignified representative who feels the hearts and minds and sufferings of the North American who craves to regain an authentic confidence in themselves as citizens.
Fucking Barringsedging - Thu, 10 May 2018 15:04:46 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209198 Reply
The base will never re-integrate with the center and will continue to drift to the fringe for both parties. For example, the only reason the Republicans have found success in recent years is because of pandering to extremist elements of the base, not by seeking some center. As media sources continue to atomize, it will always be strategically dominant to pander to the fringe than seek a common middle.
Phyllis Dannerwell - Thu, 10 May 2018 17:56:02 EST 8gq7GAVV No.209199 Reply
Let them fucking rot in the pits they dug for themselves by fucking burying their heads in retarded bronze age jewish fairy tales and conspiracy theories.

They don't belong in modern society, and they shouldn't be a part of modern society.
Nell Fanridge - Thu, 10 May 2018 22:15:10 EST Irsa/pK4 No.209200 Reply
you will starve and so will most of us unless we can raise our own food and establish viable trade connections for crops which are ripe and in season at other locations in the world
Esther Lightwater - Fri, 11 May 2018 03:07:36 EST ogjfl7YN No.209203 Reply
>Kill the Republican party, and the Democratic party will collapse in warring sub-factions

What exactly holds the Republicans together besides hating the Democrats?
Nell Fanridge - Fri, 11 May 2018 07:37:03 EST Irsa/pK4 No.209204 Reply
The general aim of the Republican party is to make a caricature of the 1950’s wholesome WASP family patriarchy lifestyle the dominant paradigm. They consider the tropes of that era the pinnacle of civilization. They want families that go to church, believe in that, and the kids (daughters especially) to shut the fuck up and listen to daddy.

The 1950’s typeshit they want to revive and cherish as the authentic paradigm of United States culture. . . will never be a reality again. Moreover the ideas we carry about it today are based on falsity (commercials, movies). It would be a mistake to regress the United States to a parody of the ostensive golden age of being a white -North American.

The Republican party wants the public to be satisfied with these illusions. Meanwhile technological, social, agricultural progress is sacrificed to buy yet more useless weapons.
Hamilton Hullertidge - Sat, 12 May 2018 09:04:33 EST 8gq7GAVV No.209207 Reply
Oh sod right the fuck off you retard. There is no more need for the rightwing family man christian farmer. Whatever he produces, the university educated green house farmer can produce in tenfold with less greenhouse emissions. And the technology doesn't stop. The faster the midwest runs in an empty wasteland the better. Just grow everything locally in high tech superfarms.
Thomas Blambleham - Sat, 12 May 2018 14:36:58 EST Irsa/pK4 No.209208 Reply
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You may be correct though many people need food right now.

Government subsidies can establish agricultural practices like you have described.

Indeed we wont need hillbilly farmers anymore if greenhouse projects are established. In fact, such farms may become public institutions.

However, its necessary to have people take care of and raise the crops. If the general public is so inclined, there may be no difficulty finding people willing to participate.
Phineas Summerfeg - Sat, 12 May 2018 22:14:11 EST 2LwLwSlz No.209209 Reply
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So many of the problems we have in the world today wouldn't exist if we had superior technology. Many of the things we fervently debate are made completely irrelevant by certain technologies, and most people don't seem to deny this point. So my question is, why don't people just focus on increasing the rate of technological progress as the most expedient political philosophy in general?
For example, why debate endlessly between capitalism and communism when we all know that post-scarcity manufacturing would make both obsolete and most people seem to agree it is possible and imminent?

It's like being fervently committed to a side in horses vs mules for moving carriages when you already know Benz is in the workshop putting together the first automobile. Why isn't everyone able to see the writing on the wall, say 'fuck horses AND mules' and go see if Benz needs a hand?
Esther Hengerhidge - Sun, 13 May 2018 02:39:34 EST Irsa/pK4 No.209211 Reply
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You are correct. However we must consider the consequences of such progress.
For one, we must consider the finitude of certain resources. Oil us an example of a soon to be extinct resource. So what then of essentials like food?

This is why comprehensive studies and reviews are necessary of topography, seasons, and weather patterns. The public may participate if they can. Communal farming can be made possible on a grand scale with technological advancement, and our common man can be employed at such farms to maintain, grow, and harvest. However, this would require subsidies, which is undeniably possible provided the public is enabled and Monsanto does not interfere.

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